Back in 2006 I put up a page about Pat Adams and his retirement package.
Although this offer has long since expired, the page still exists:
This write-up has a lot of details about the contents of the package that Pat was offering - which in all fairness was very impressive.
It’s been quite a while since I looked at it but today I received some DVDs that I bought from eBay and written on the back of the thank you note was a letter:
“I looked at your website, and the facts about Pat Adams’ retirement package are not entirely true.
I bought it, went to his retirement seminar day and was promised loads. He did give us a shopping cart website to sell his stuff, and I added lots of my own info, manuals/CDs but I discovered 3 weeks ago he has taken it down without letting me know and he is not answering my many emails.
He promised us the next 2 seminar DVDs etc and I only managed to get one lot of stuff by continually pestering him for it. I still haven’t received the newsletter software he promised for the 1st seminar.
I feel badly let down, but I don’t have contact with other people who went to the retirement day to see if they have had anything from him or not”
Now in all fairness to Pat, emails can go astray and therefore remain unanswered. Years of continuous spamming by morons means that many people have over-zealous spam filters which will gobble up the most innocent of emails.
However, as this person was kind enough to take the time to write to me I would like to ask anyone else who bought this package to get in touch and let me know if they received everything that was promised.
I have just bought a package which promised several expensive bonuses which I have yet to receive and so I can understand how frustrating it is. The person who offered these bonuses is currently not responding to emails or help desk tickets and there are many people who are starting to worry.
So, if you did get Pat’s retirement package, please do get in touch and let me know how you found it. You can find my email address on the main site at:
laura with all due respect to your opinion but … EVERYBODY is nice when they want your money! The mark of how ‘nice and honest’ someone is is when it comes to having to refund it!
As for his company going into liquidation… it it the company, or Mr Adams himself? And no wonder he went into liquidation with the appalling customer service he provides - hope he learns his lesson.
Comment by andy – July 23, 2010 @ 6:03 am
I am sure you have good intentions, with “exposing” Pat Adams, but I must say, that I have been to a few of his seminars, and I got everything he promised, I was sent every dvd - which was promised.
I don’t find him arrogant at all, I thought and still think he is a lovely person, and very funny and honest, and I really love him.
So to me it feels like spam, all these people complainig about him.
BTW, I really think that he has health issues, so this is not a reason to judge a person.
I hope you will publish this
Thank you
Comment by Laura – June 3, 2010 @ 10:49 am
Hi Martin,
Wow, that’s some very interesting information - thanks for sharing!
I just have a couple of questions:
(1) Which seminars were cancelled? Could you supply the dates?
(2) Which company went into liquidation? Is there any chance you could scan the letter and send me a copy via email?
I honestly didn’t know that any of Pat’s companies had gone into liquidation so this is very interesting news.
Comment by Ben – May 27, 2010 @ 9:58 am
I paid for a seminar at Heathrow last year. A few days before, I got an email to say that it had been cancelled due to illness and I was given another date. Again this was cancelled. I then got a letter to say that his company had gone into liquidation. Obviously a scam.
Comment by Martin – May 26, 2010 @ 10:57 pm
for Lorna
Lorna my advice….. document everything that has happened, and go to ALL authorities you think relevant…. is seems this man is always ill, or has a leg ache,or some other rubbish excuse not to fulfill his empty promises…all the while holding YOUR MONEY in HIS bank account, and enjoying lavish holidays at YOUR expense
…. let him know in writing, by way of recorded delivery, exactly what you intend to do, and what authorities you intend to contact, and if he doesn’t fulfill his obligations inform him that you will also show up in person at all of his future seminars, where you will warn as many attendees as possible of exactly what happened to you, and what will possibly happen to them if they part with any money with this guy.
Most of all, DONT let him bully you into thinking you are just a ’small’ person, and that he is a ‘millionaire’, and that therefore he is in some way doing you a favour by helping you! I am not even convinced that he is a millionaire, and i maintain the view that he is, in my opinion, the most corrupt of all these so-called ‘gurus’ out there. Not sure if my email will show up, but if you want some more help feel free to email me at andy@andrewrother.com
Comment by andy – December 25, 2009 @ 1:39 am
I have paid Pat several thousand pounds, first to attend a seminar at the end of 2008 and then as a Joint Venture partner. Three meetings were to take place and only the first one actually did take place as far as I know.
I have had promises of action ever since, punctuated by periods of illness and injured back etc. We agreed on a joint-venture product. I was to put my part on disc and send to Pat who
was then to add his part. This was to be produced monthly. It was a good idea. More sickness ensued. Nothing has transpired.
His telephone line is no longer in operation. I do not get a response to emails. In light of what I have read online about Pat
since I feel I have been scammed.
Whether to take action with the various authorities I have not decided yet.
Comment by Lorna – December 2, 2009 @ 10:51 pm
Two Grand Lighter,
glad to see I am not the only one who has had a bad experience with this ‘gentleman’ (i use the term loosely, as he turned out to be one of the most arrogant people i have had the displeasure of dealing with)
just one point i wanted to make, regarding the money back issue…. i had to go to great lengths to get my money back, in fact i would say “extreme lengths”. My advice - dont be afraid to involve as many authorities as you need to in order to get your money back. He will resist as much as he can, so you need to make it absolutely clear to him that you will take every action necessary to get your money back. I had to contact Trading Standards, Paypal, Swansea Police, to name but a few.
The more that authorities know about what he is up to, and the more he is brought to their attention, the more chance there is that they will take big action against him.
potential investors should also take notice of Mr Adams’s seminar boasts of “re-branding and recycling” old newsletter content into new newsletters, and offering them to existing subscribers who bought the old newsletter, and how they ‘never know the difference!’ the man has no shame
it is such a shame because he gives this whole industry a bad name, and there are a lot of guys out there offering GENUINE opportunites - unfortunately Mr Adams is not one of them.
Best of luck, and i’ll keep an eye out on here to see how you get on.
Comment by andy – November 12, 2009 @ 3:24 pm
Lee (satisfied customer of Pat).
I fully understand and agree with your comments about ‘use the information and TAKE ACTION’ and ‘put in a little work’- I have a very profitable business using self made products and was using Pats offer of ready made products to expand my portfolio. The point here is that I never got the licenced products to sell on!!
He even agreed to refund me in line with his money back guarantee (of which I have a hard copy) …but it never arrived.
100% true.
I’m glad the truth is getting through on this excellent site and people are getting both sides of the story.
I’ll write a more favourable response when I get my money. Potential investors note the date of my posts.
Comment by Two Grand Lighter – November 11, 2009 @ 12:49 am
hi Ben
thank you for your response. Unfortunately that website was taken down, and has been replaced with a fresh version, which basically no longer includes the registration fee as being refundable.
with regard to the following:
“For example, on the one hand I am led to believe that attendees of that seminar were offered a refund of the fee *and* product licences in addition to this. The other side tells me that the product licences were only for those who did not take up the offer of the refund.” ….
…..again i can only say that the site was literally littered with the promise of the licenses and refund. If he subsequently found a way around this by way of small print then a) that’s hardly ethical anyway and b) he never once mentioned that fact in all the series of emails that went between us during the whole sorry episode. Any mention by myself of “wheres my product licenses then?” were simply ignored to the point where i just gave up asking!
the whole thing was farcical, but anyway like i said, the site is a fresh sales copy now, and i do not want to kick it all off again.
i accept the fact that maybe you’re in a difficult position and need to remain impartial with regards to what you allow to be posted, although i disagree that negative comments need to be removed!
not to worry, c’est la vie i guess.
ggod luck and thanks again for your reponse
Andy
Comment by andy – August 31, 2009 @ 1:15 pm
Hi Michael
the event i attended was the one where he was offering to refund the registration fee ( £47 per day) upon attendance. This ‘free’ offer resulted in literally 200 or so people in the room, each stuck on a small chair. Many people even had to stand at the back due to the lack of space. In my opinion that it no way to ethically run a seminar - i have been to my share of seminars in the last few years and had never experienced that much ‘cramming in’.
I can only assume that you attended the event where there was no offer to refund the registration fee - which i think was his June event? Due to the fact that that seminar wasnt free, i can only assume also that it attracted nowhere near as many people.
Comment by andy – August 31, 2009 @ 1:03 pm
Hi Andy,
Re your comments on the hotel room:
sorry again but just to address the “hotel” issue…… 250 people in one small hotel delegate room is not the fault of the hotel! its the greed of the promoter - if i were organising a seminar with 250 delegates , i would have asked and paid for a bigger room. Its not rocket science!
I was at both Pat Adams’ seminars at Heathrow earlier this year. (I presume you mean one of them; my apologies if not.)
In my humble opinion, the room was absolutely fine. What, in heaven’s name, are you complaining about?
Given that people were getting two days apiece of very good content indeed for nothing (or peanuts), I thought that the venue was more than generous.
‘The greed of the promotor’?? Sorry Andy, just can’t accept that…
Comment by Michael Ward – August 21, 2009 @ 11:49 am
Quick comment for Andy:
Hi Andy,
Thanks for the personal comment, I have removed it as you asked.
Your points are valid and well made and I can understand why you are unhappy that your comments were removed. However, I need to see the T&Cs of the website for the seminar you attended as there are apparently some clauses which might go a little way to explaining the actual “promise” made to attendees.
Also, I need proof of certain wrongdoings. For example, on the one hand I am led to believe that attendees of that seminar were offered a refund of the fee *and* product licences in addition to this. The other side tells me that the product licences were only for those who did not take up the offer of the refund.
If I can see that website, as it was at the time of booking, then your posts may well reappear on this site…
I cannot simply allow any negative comments without adequate proof of wrongdoing. Believe me, both sides of the story sound plausible - I’ve heard your side via this site and I’ve heard the other side via email.
Thanks,
Ben
Comment by Ben – August 19, 2009 @ 7:36 am
Hi Andy
I’ve been told that you have had a refund now, is that correct?
Thanks,
Ben
Comment by Ben – August 14, 2009 @ 9:06 pm
sorry again but just to address the “hotel” issue…… 250 people in one small hotel delegate room is not the fault of the hotel! its the greed of the promoter - if i were organising a seminar with 250 delegates , i would have asked and paid for a bigger room. Its not rocket science!
and thanks Paul for backing up my comment about fulfillment - if he is apparently making millions then why doesn’t he outsource his fulfillment? keeping it “in the family” is a huge weakness in his business, and leads to the appalling service he gives. If Pat reads this, Pat, my advice to you, with the best will in the world, is this: “outsource your fulfillment, and 99% of your problems with customers like me will evaporate overnight, because you are simply incapable of doing it”
Comment by andy – August 14, 2009 @ 2:57 pm
ben sorry but if you cant decide who is telling the truth or not, then surely in the interest of ‘fairness’, as you say, you should leave all comments be, and let readers make up their own mind? Isn’t that the whole purpose of a site like this?
if you in any way believe i have fabricated any of my comments then i would be more than willing to supply you with all the email documentary proof of the whole sorry saga!, including those from paypal.
best wishes
Comment by andy – August 14, 2009 @ 2:48 pm