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7th January 2007
Filed under: Horse Racing — Ben @ 3:14 am

I’ve recently had a subscriber ask me about the Equitrack VSR System from Equinex Ltd who are based in Cheshunt, Herts.

This is a horse racing betting system. You buy a licence to their system and then use it to create “no lose” betting opportunities on exchanges such as Betfair.

The email read:

“I am considering investing in Equinex Ltd’s Equitrack VSR system and have been invited to a live demonstration of the system. I am contacting you to see if you or any members have any experience of this system or have heard anything good or bad about the system, before i potentially waste my time.

The system is a software programe called Equitrack VSR which shows what to bet on in horse races.

The blurb states that they have been the UK’s leading sports software provider since 1998.

The cost of the system is at present £3,500 (Three Thousand Five hundred pounds) exc VAT until 31st January 2007. usually £4,500.

In the last mail (29th December 2006) they are increasing the cost of the program to £5,500 after the 31st January 2007.

They base the return figures on a 10% compounding bank starting each month with £100 invested.

Figures for 2003: £36,813.
2004: £37,411.
2005: £22,338.
2006 (so far): £24,622. (projected to be circa £32,622).

The sales letter is a simple 1 A4 page where it details the returns made monthly, the cost of the system and an invitation to attend a live demonstration (all of the mailings have just been to try and get me to attend a live demonstration) I assume that it is then that the hard sell may come into play.

The figures appear to be on the too good to be true side and the cost has kept me away from this opportunity, until now. They haven’t shut up shop and done a runner and i havent reard any negative press on them, so im thinking there may be some validity in the figures.

I’v tried to do some research on them, but there is very little available. I recently joined the Home business Alliance and their magazine “The Boss” has back issues available, they have Equinex listed in the contents of 4 issues going back to Jan 2003. I have recently ordered all of the magazines where Equinex is listed and will foward any info on to you if you require it.

Website addresss is http://www.equinex.com/EquinexV2/Home.html

Also: http://www.equitrack.net/homepage.htm

equinex’s email contact is admin@equinex.com

The address details are Equinex limited, Riverdene House, 140 High Street, Cheshunt, Herts, EN8 0AW. Tel: 01992 628688.

I have been recieving posts from them for at least 3 years now and it’s always been the same address and this is the address that is listed for them on the Companies House website.

My next step is to speak to one of them on the phone and ask abit more about the system and if they have staged payment methods etc.

Your comments would be appreciated”

Unfortunately, I do not know very much about horse racing, tipsters or betting exchange software so I cannot help.

However, I do know that many people out in the biz opps world are experts in the horse racing field so I would like to throw open the request.

Can anyone help me out here? Do you know anything about the Equitrack VSR System?

If so, please leave a comment here or contact me via the BizOppsUK Support Desk.

Thanks in advance,

Ben

1,124 Comments

  1. hi Im looking at VSR software as well and have spoken to Barry sheperd in decemder 06 he says they haveloads of testimonials at there office but I still am not sure £4500+vat is alot compared to all other software out there and how comes there are no reviews either good or bad ,if anyone can find out anything please help.thankyou.

    Comment by andrew brown — 15th January 2007 @ 5:48 pm

  2. Hi,

    I am looking at the VSR Software as well. How are people getting on with this?. Andrew Brown….. Any comments at all?

    Ant Atkins

    Comment by Ant Atkins — 19th April 2007 @ 8:18 am

  3. The system does work if you know how to work the system, its as simple as that! You have to look at this system as a business and invest as a smart investor using the system, don’t be a gambler or if you are a gambler then you will not follow the system and you will not get the results. I am have had the system for many years and if I ever need to make money its there as a back up.

    Comment by George — 5th December 2007 @ 1:29 am

  4. Email I received today:

    Subject: equinex

    Hi,
    I have been using the system for 4 weeks, and although its early days, it works provided that you follow the format. Please feel free to get back to me as I would be interested to hear of others who have the system.

    Regards

    Jon

    Comment by Ben — 27th February 2008 @ 1:49 pm

  5. Hi

    I have also been looking at this system and visited Barry Shepherd about 18 months ago, though I havent taken the system at present.

    I am also looking to get feedback from people who have actual day to day experience with the system in order to judge whether its as simple to operate as Barry promises. It seems really difficult to contact anyone in what appears a secretive world of betting. If anyone can shed more light on this subject it would be appreciated.

    Thanks

    Alan

    Comment by Alan — 13th April 2008 @ 10:35 am

  6. Hi,

    my partner is interested in this adn to be honest it leaves me feeling very nervous. Can anyone advise me how it can possibly be a cert to invest money in something esentially dependent on consistent performance of horses. It appears to me to be gambling by another name, and although Im not completely closed to it – appears extremely high risk unless you can afford to throw £5k + away? Grateful for any experiencial advice?

    Comment by Angel — 18th April 2008 @ 1:41 pm

  7. you do have alot of personal Equinex private company details spread accross your website, maybe you should inform the company they are that formed opinion of.
    they do advertise their company themselves???????????
    They are a tiny company in cheshunt, Herts, with only 4 staff members working there?????????

    confused???????????

    Comment by Equinex Ltd????? — 19th May 2008 @ 4:09 pm

  8. Can you rephrase the question please as I do not understand what you mean.

    Comment by Ben — 19th May 2008 @ 5:43 pm

  9. Hi

    I bought this system 5 years ago. Lost money consistently for a year then gave up.

    I paid £5000, so the price has gone down!!

    Jack

    Comment by Jack — 24th May 2008 @ 1:02 pm

  10. Hi guys.
    There seems to be few of you out there that have had the same idea as me on this equitrack system. I cannot find too many comments on the system good or any at all bad. Is it possible the people who have invested hard cash in this system are too embarassed to admit they screwed up. If so please help us to not make the same mistake . I am going to invest on this possibly great system if nobody gives any bad vibes to me.
    The figs look good and seem to be achievable. I’m down there next week or so. So please give me some feedback……..

    Comment by wilpy — 24th May 2008 @ 5:32 pm

  11. Hi i went over to there offices this week and met Barry and got the presentation .It looks impressive ,something is nagging me though “if it looks to good to be true then it is ” i am still in 2 minds as to proceed or not .i think i would be more comfortable if i could speak to some of the people who gave testimonials .

    Comment by Nick — 29th May 2008 @ 11:53 pm

  12. I have left a message previously that I had been using the system for 4 weeks.

    Well 6 months in and it has paid for itself. It’s taken a while for 2 reasons.
    1. I haven’t had the courage to ‘invest’ at the level suggested to get the returns advertised.
    2. I deviated from the system when I hit a losing streak trying to recoup my losses.

    What I have found is that if you use the system as demonstrated by Barry then it does work. However, and I’m not stupid, the presentation day does leave you dazed as to the amount of information you take in, in a relatively short space of time. Barry is more then happy for you to go back though, for a refresher.

    Also the backup through Sandra and Boulent is top class, and they are always happy to take any calls from you.

    I have had the system since Jan 2008 and it has paid for itself and also a nice holiday for 3 of us. I did resist the temptation to take my laptop abroad to invest whilst on holiday though!

    Comment by Jon — 14th July 2008 @ 1:22 pm

  13. I am a single mother who has just been made redundant and am considering this Equitrack VSR system as a way of providing a good income for my family and working from home. I cannot afford to lose the £5k and would be interested to hear again from ‘Wilpy’ who was considering joining in May, as to whether he has been successful or not. I would really appreciate getting feedback from anyone who has been involved with this system – should I or should I not invest?? I was also intrigued by ‘George’s’ comment, that he uses this system as a ‘back-up’ when he needs to make money! Why not use the system all the time if it is a guaranteed money maker? Any comments/advise would be gratefully received.

    Comment by Mags — 13th August 2008 @ 8:09 am

  14. Mags, if your hope for independence is guaranteed money, courtesy of Equitrack VSR, I hope you succeed, but it eluded me. I lost consistently over 3 months and, two weeks ago, finally drew a line at £270.94, writing off £5.3k. Deferring decision about losses (e.g. by keeping the Program as a “back-up”) is easier than leaving no doubt about it.

    The only real security is knowledge, which is the power to control outcomes. The Program puts you at the moving edge of what’s happening in a horse race, either (1) by hedging bets, which means predicting that odds will continue to fall or rise so as to make a small profit, or (2) by gambling like a pro for higher rewards and risks. But let’s not deceive ourselves – hedging gives you no gift of foresight so that you always place your counter-bet with the market going in your favour (it will dump your counter-bet and leave you backing a losing horse with alarming frequency, or mock you for your indecision); and, apart from good downloadable VSR advice, a handy Dutching Calculator and careful venue selection, the software leaves gamblers no other scope for control.

    Planning is an attempt to control the future, but with Equinex the future controls you (by the power of hope). Their apparently strong financial performance using the system is a picture of how you hope it will pan out for you.

    If does not pan out, they will never (after their extravagant claims) blame the inherent unpredictability of horse-racing or the naivety of their model. They will advise you to remedy shortfalls either by receiving more (unnecessary) training, or by betting only what you can afford to lose, or by carrying on regardless (hoping to recover losses by winning next time). In the first case, expect to pay a further £199 for two hours and a 26-page manual; in the second, prepare to be trapped in triviality; in the third, expect to freak out more and more. I experienced all these unplanned and unpleasant outcomes.

    If you like to be in control, financially and emotionally, don’t be tempted – unless you are, or wish to be, a seasoned gambler with all that it implies.

    Comment by George II — 14th August 2008 @ 1:35 am

  15. I agree with Jon and George (Dec 2005) if you follow the system then it does work. I’ve had the system for about 10 months now and can say that I’m very pleased with it as it’s making me money and the backup service is excellent. I was skeptic to begin with but I had the free trial and see it for myself. Obviously if you’re a gambler then this may not be for you as you need to follow the system.

    Replying to Mags… I used to work part time but now concentrate on the Equinex system working from home as there are many different aspects to the program including dutching, lays etc.

    Ad

    Comment by Adam Henderson — 21st August 2008 @ 10:15 am

  16. I followed the system from the outset and still lost money.

    On 20 May, I tried the Cover-To-Win Dutching Strategy in the 15.50 at Beverley. I staked £59.81, entering Yes One and Princess Cocoa in the table, then placing another stake on Nevada Desert to cover the first two. All three horses were VSR qualifiers, satisfied the dutching guidelines and I had covered over 90% of the book after including Nevada Desert. There was only one other horse in this race. A textbook Cover-To-Win Dutch and a dead cert you might think – yet the outsider won.

    Win-Or-Don’t Lose should have been risk-free. On 31 July, in the 19.00 at Sandown, the forecast starting price for Marching Time was 4.0. Before the ‘off’ these odds has declined sharply to 2.06, the price level at which I decided to back Marching Time (£20 to win) and simultaneously place a £20 lay bet at odds of 1.6. The race did not start till 19.10 and I watched in dismay as the odds rose to 3.0 by 19.09. Despite revising my Lay bet upwards, it was unmatched, leaving a Back bet, which, if the horse had won, would have made me £26.66. In the event, Marching Time lost, and I forfeited £20.

    “The basic rule for a successful hedge is that the odds you back at must be higher than the lay odds” (p.17). It looks straightforward; and it is – but only if you can see into the future. For how on earth does one picture which way the odds are going to move NEXT? In one race I place a lay bet at odds of 7.0 in a strongly rising market. The curve momentarily shoots up to 7.4. Time to place a back bet. A moment’s hesitation and the odds have dropped to 7.1. Too narrow a gap, best to leave it…see if it rises again. No, the odds continue to fall. ..down to 6.8, then, as the race begins, to 6.4. The further below 7.0 the more I stand to lose, so I place a back bet at once, hoping to minimise an even greater loss. But the odds start to rise again to about 7.1, when I could have made a profit. So I find that my initial hesitation has cost me – but trying to cut my losses has also cost me. Now if I had acted when the odds had reached 7.4, I would certainly have “locked in a guaranteed profit” – but only in that split-second. A second later and it’s locked out. There is no inevitability in the process of securing profits. One guesses the future, extrapolating from the gradient. It is easy to be wise after the event (“don’t take snap-decisions”, “have a get-out strategy” etc).

    I also experimented with the method on p.22 of the Training Manual. On 25 July in the 14.25 at Wolverhampton I placed a Lay Bet on Chiffre since I’d seen the price suddenly treble to 10.00, suggesting that it was going to LOSE. Despite the Lay price surge, the horse went on to WIN and I lost £90. I also found the same data trends predictive of a horse going on to win associated with a losing horse.

    My expenditure (£199) on the Instruction Manual and further training is proof that I was determined to follow the system in all its aspects.

    I suspend judgment on Method 1, however, which I never tried, as it seemed too much like gambling. (What else can the terms ‘Win Bet’, ‘Place Bet’ mean, Adam?). I preferred to hedge.

    George (heretic).

    P.S. I’m going away for 3 weeks. The faithful can build their case, unchallenged.

    P.P.S. Is “Ad” short for Adam or advertisement?

    Comment by George II — 21st August 2008 @ 8:23 pm

  17. As your enquirers expect and deserve a thoughtful contribution, allow me to add further postscripts to my blog yesterday.

    Regarding the race (mentioned in the 4th paragraph) where the odds rise from 7.0 to 7.4, then dip to 6.4, then resume their normal trajectory, I would add that I lost money by following the advice in the Manual (i.e. “avoid knee-jerk responses” and “have a get-out strategy”). A knee-jerk response was precisely what was needed to realize the £5.43 profit I would have made (assuming I had laid £100 at 7.0) by seizing on the momentary price surge to 7.4 and backing at £94.57; and it would have been by ignoring the emergency-exit advice and holding on that I would have eventually made the princely sum of £1.41 at 7.1. Do you see, Adam, how the same advice can be useful or not, depending on the vicissitudes of a particular market trend?

    Another point, regarding the important decision to give up one’s paid employment for this. A stake of £100 – a heart-stopping moment as the odds suddenly shorten – then a recovery, resulting in a net potential profit of £1.41. £1.41 for what could be an hour’s work! And try putting your worries about stress and irregular motions to your doctor in their true context of guessing games involving three-figure sums of money for such a small return!

    Any ideas about what might have made the odds shorten and lengthen again? Imagine there are hundreds of punters and Equinexers all doing what you are doing, backing the horse you are backing in order to hedge their bets in a strongly rising market. Wouldn’t that suddenly cause the odds to shorten from 7.4 to 6.4 and then lengthen again to 7.1? What could have caused the odds on Marching Time to lengthen at Sandown (paragraph 3 in my previous blog), if not the fact that a late start gave more people a chance to hedge their back bets with lays? A late race start would not, in itself, alter a punter’s perceptions of a horse’s potential performance. The assumption of the WODL method is that lay bets, placed opportunistically just before the race is scheduled to begin, are too small to affect the resulting price level enough to reverse a downward odds-trend. But no one knows whether one’s colleagues might not be injecting such volatility and artificiality into the market (especially small ones) that they undermine the whole hedging enterprise.

    So, Adam, you had a “free trial and saw it working for yourself”. Seeing it in a demonstration and receiving a copy of the staff’s performance figures (using Method 1) for a week on your behalf (so that you can avail yourself of a discount on the basis of what you believed would be your own profit-making efforts in the office) to take home is not the same as doing it. In their brochure (p.5) Equinex only offer a free trial of their VSR investment reports (“ratings”), which are delivered by email. In fact I got them “free” for 3 months, downloading them for much of this time. After that I had to pay £3 a day for the ratings. But most people understand by “free trial” that they can use the software at home themselves for a reasonable period, say three months, to test it and if they are unsatisfied they can return it for a full refund. Not true in my case. Barry said, “We don’t do refunds.” I don’t call that a free trial of the software – and it is the software that cost £4,700 or so, not the £3-a-day ratings.

    Food for thought?

    Comment by George II — 22nd August 2008 @ 10:31 am

  18. I am considering purchasing the system, Adam how have you got on since your last comment in August.

    Comment by John — 22nd September 2008 @ 11:32 am

  19. I was being charitable in allowing time for people to rush to Equinex’s defence. The fact that no one has challenged my submissions of 14, 21 and 22 August, in itself, speaks volumes.

    Let me quote from their brochure: “There will be days when the programme will be unsuccessful,,although it does show a profit for 74 days in every 100 tested. It wins nearly three quarters of the time. Do not worry if you have one losing day …just get back on track the following day…your profits, like any other sound business, are measured by the year…not just one day!”

    “Profits” and “business” are glaring misnomers. Businesses involve investment and investors commit money to a specific end, such as buying shares or new capital outlay, for a return. You are not investing; and, since profits are the ratio of net income to investment, you are not making profits either. You are risking sums of money on uncertain events. You are gambling.

    Gains “are not measured by just one day”, but should be measurable over 8 days, the time-period covered by the performance data they present to deluded signatories like me to mull over.

    From 1 – 8 April an Equinex minion on a wager of £100 a time placed twelve “Win bets”, sixteen “Place bets” and two “R/F Bets”, achieving a 42% strike rate, 75% and 100% strike rates respectively. In terms of losing days, that’s 2 losing days out of 5 (Win Bets), 1 out of 6 (Place Bets) and none out of 2 (R/F Bets). Barry told me to expect an 80% strike rate only for Place Bets, and, while it is accurate, it is being economical with the truth.

    If I’d confined myself to Place Betting over this period, wagering £100 a time, I’d have made the princely sum of £50 over 8 days (discounting Sunday). My month would have begun not on 1 April (no suitable Place Bets being advised in the ratings) but on the 2nd with a loss of £100 followed by a gain of £100. On 3 April I would have made a straight loss of £120 (+£30, +£20, +£10, +£20,-£100, -£100). From 4-8 April I’d have made £20, £60, £80 and £10 respectively. Subtract £3 a day, which I would be paying to Equinex to use their system, and my 8-day gain reduces to £29! “With one simple positive action you could eventually become one of the richest people in your area.” (Equinex Brochure, p.14). Yeah, right…

    With Win Bets and a 42% strike rate would I have done any better? On 1 April (+£300, – £100, – £100, + £33) I’d have made £133. On 2 April £500 (such a good win is suspicious: why should a horse with the form, top jockey and trainer to qualify as a Win Bet be given such long odds as 5/1?). 3, 5 and 6 April were days on which I could not have used the system, even if I wanted to, because the ratings said no. On 4 April (-£100, +£66.66, +£57) I’d have made £23.66. On 7 April (-£100, -£100, -£100) I’d have lost £300, and on the 8th, lost another £100. My overall gain, wagering £100 each time, would have been £256.66 (thanks largely to FS in the 4.50 at Catterick). Suppose my phone had rung at 4.49 on Wednesday 2 April and I couldn’t place my £100 bet. Instead of gaining £256.66 by 8 April, I’d have lost £243.34. “Place Bets”, run simultaneously over this period, would have reduced my loss only by £50, but if I’d attempted R/F bets as well, I might just have scraped home with a profit of £31.66. Subtract £21 Equinex fees and I’d have been left with £10.36 net gain by 8 April.

    All the above is a reasonable deduction from Equinex’s own performance data, using their own Method 1. Don’t give me this “it-works-if you-use-the-method” garbage. The facts are staring you in the face that it plainly doesn’t!

    Not being a gambling man, I confined myself to the Win-Or-Don’t-Lose Strategy, placing a Lay bet in a falling market and waiting for it to be matched. For this system to be any good you need the frequency of non-matched Lay Bets to be about 1 in 20. In reality it is about 1 in 5. (This doesn’t mean that the other 80% of the time you are winning ” you may be just not losing”.) By the time you realise that your Lay bet is not going to be matched, exposing your Back Bet to the full measure of the market risk, it is too late to use the Get Out option. It never worked for me and Barry never mentioned either the fail-safe (GO) option in this context or the frequent possibility of Lay bets not being matched (which is equivalent to being surprised if rain is mentioned in conversations about the British weather!).

    “For a modest outlay you can purchase this proven wealth creation package and have the potential to add £70,000+ to your annual income.” This “modest outlay” was for me £4,700 – five months’ wages. Plus you pay £3 a day to use it.

    “The most powerful tool of its kind ever developed”? I have already mentioned above the data trends indicating one outcome having the exact opposite outcome, and the Cover-To-Win bet, in which I had a three in four chance of winning, and still lost. The £199 training manual (a 26-page comb-bound set of inkjet copies on art paper) had errors, including one arithmetical howler that a child would have noticed, and no deep methodological rationale. Even Barry told me to disregard most of it.

    “VSR is not for everyone” (p.1) No matter if it isn’t for you, they’ll take your money anyway. Dissatisfied? “Sell it on eBay”, Barry advised.

    I’ve got standards, Barry!

    Comment by George II — 8th November 2008 @ 6:43 pm

  20. These are the statistics, up until the end of October for what has happened with this moneymaking machine.

    The profit and loss for each month is based on the starting pot of £2,000 each month and investing 10% of the compound pot.

    The information is straight ‘from the horses mouth’ ie The Company itself.

    January £2243.04 gain

    February £1510.89 loss

    March £ 218. 29 gain

    April £200.22 loss

    May £62.40 gain

    June £1192.74 loss

    July £1577.39 loss

    August £1503.87 gain

    September £1667.22 gain

    October £2699.11 gain

    Now, if you purchased this piece of kit in August then you must think that it’s the best thing since sliced bread. If, however, you purchased it at the beginning of the year then it’s fair to say that the advertising would appear to be a little way off the mark as such that in the last 4-5 years it has achieved fantastic returns of between £45,000- £77,000!

    Whilst it has still returned a profit of £3916.99 over a 10 month period, and that November and December may prove to produce £40,000 plus return, I feel that maybe the Company have a problem with where the decimal point should have been placed in their manifesto!!

    The statistics show that an investor will probably secure his/her original outlay in 2008 and thats about it. Maybe 2009 will see a return to winning ways, who knows?

    Feel free to email me if you wish, and a Merry Christmas to you all and a prosperous 2009!

    Comment by Richard — 2nd December 2008 @ 5:33 pm

  21. Hi,
    I purchased this system about 3 months ago. I had one of there free weekly trials about two years before. I was not impressed because after the first 3 days of the trial showing big losses suddenly I did not receive the ratings until the day after racing, when they promised the ratings would be sent before racing so they could not mickey mouse the results. I told them this and asked them to add another two days to the 7 day trial and exclude the two days where they sent the ratings after racing had taken place, (Anyone can pick winners for racing that took place the day before, right? Duh)

    They did add two days but just refused to use the 7 days where I got the information before racing, which incidently showed losses, and kept telling me my trial showed winnings of £997. just £3 short of the maximum discount they offered for winnings during a trial.

    Anyway, I did not go ahead. 18 months later I decided to have another look because maybe they made a genuine mistake, and also I wanted to see what that win don’t lose thing was they kept sending letters about. So I made an appointment to go and see them not being interested in the win bet trial again. They made a mistake and put me on that anyway. GUESS WHAT!!! Once again, after some losses, once again I received the ratings after racing. You’d think they would learn, wouldn’t you, even after their little ruse has been discovered, they do the same thing again.

    Anyway, that trial also lost money. Then I was curious to see what would happen when I arrived at the meeting, after all their trial had failed and how would they get over that fact. Keep in mind that they had been sending me information about how great their win bet data was for over 2 years and their website is full of it as well. So what happened as I walked through the door. Barry Shepherd greeted me with, “You don’t want to do that win betting thing, after all, you can lose money doing that and nobody likes to lose money do they? I know I don’t.” Let me show you something else (Which turned out to be the win don’t lose option. It was I understood that if my trial would have been successful, which it would do every so often, then he would have gone straight into how great the ratings were. That’s how they get over the bad free trial situation.

    Anyway, I did decide to give it a go. Since then it has gone from bad to worse quite honestly. The win don’t lose option just goes round in circles, up down up down. In fact you can lose so the descrition contravenes trade descriptions anyway. Then suddenly I got an email from them telling me how one of their long time users told them about a way he has of betting on place bets. There they are again telling us how to make money and having all this data to prove it. NONSENSE.
    Apart from which if everything is so great and you can make 120,000 a year using their system why is one of their customers taking time to find his own way of making money, purported to be a mere £30,000 a year.

    I will be taking them to court on several issues. Anyone want to join me. By the way, their contract when you buy the thing is next to no contract at all. As for their ExPort Betfair software, much better is availabe and very much cheaper as well. Bye bye

    Comment by Brian — 6th January 2009 @ 4:32 pm

  22. While I am loathe to respond to comments made by someone using an alias and possibly a competitor, here goes ..

    The VSR system has generally produced winners or placed horses in its Top 3 Rated in pretty much every race of the day for the last 10 years, regardless of field size or type of race (Archives available for inspection).

    Anyone using our ratings in conjunction with the functions contained in Export live-odds software and NOT deviating from the simple VSR-X guidelines we provide, will make excellent and steady profits.

    By sticking to these guidelines we have never had a losing week (Proof available for inspection at our offices).

    We always insist on providing a free trial to any serious enquirers while copies remain available for sale (only 80 will be sold in 2009).

    During the free trial we email any enquirer a copy of the days Top 3 Rated horses for each UK race (before the first race starts) for a week and take real-time screenshots (pictures) of our activity just before the ‘off’ for each qualifying race.

    This clearly shows where and why a horse was selected and what happened to it. Naturally, the selected horses come purely from the ratings as shown on the screenshots. These are also emailed on the following day to give each prospective client a better idea of what we do and why we do it.

    Following the free trial we provide a one-to-one real-time demonstration and reveal the simple race selection guidelines. Using this, each prospective client then makes real-time selections themselves (just as they would at home) and watches the results come in time and time again.

    We are happy to show this (without obligation) to anyone with a responsible attitude and the funds to buy it if they like it and want to use it regularly themselves.

    After having gone through all that I find it hard to believe anyone would buy unless they:

    a) Realised it was simple to use and easy to do

    b) Saw it making money with their own eyes and had the opportunity to do it themselves in real-time and see the results.

    If you or anyone you know would like a free trail and the chance to check out this excellent system in real time use, you are welcome to call [removed] during office hours. We will be happy to arrange it.

    [some text removed]

    Comment by Steven — 7th January 2009 @ 5:32 pm

  23. Brian, how do I join you?

    Comment by Richard — 12th January 2009 @ 2:54 pm

  24. Their website shows 2003-2006 “verified results”, ask about 2007,2008 results and see if you get an honest answer from the good Shepard.

    again, how do I join you Brian. I have enough evidence and have a good contact with racing post who has said he will verify any ratings from 2003-2006.

    Comment by conned — 16th January 2009 @ 1:02 pm

  25. conned, time to sort this lot out mate… I have been onto trading standards who are interested

    Comment by Richard — 17th January 2009 @ 4:38 pm

  26. I would ask Brian and ‘Conned’ to contact me if possible so that we can take this forward. I have also been misled and am taking steps to recover my investment due to misleading information contained in both the ‘contract’ and the glossy brochure. Why should these people be allowed to misrepresent themselves to the general public and get away with it?

    Comment by Richard — 19th January 2009 @ 12:26 pm

  27. Equinex have changed something business wise in the last few days. If any one from their company would like to respond, but somehow I don’t think so.

    Comment by conned — 19th January 2009 @ 9:46 pm

  28. I will also be contacting Betfair about the way Equinex/Equitrack make a residual income from setting up peoples accounts.

    Comment by conned — 20th January 2009 @ 4:59 pm

  29. The advertising standards agency is another vechicle that will investigate their website an literature.

    Comment by conned — 26th January 2009 @ 12:24 am

  30. I am reading this all with a lot of interest. I bought into this system a year ago exactly. Since then I have had varying levels of success and am up, albeit slightly, over the 12 months.

    What I have found interesting though is the lack of response from the Company to all this negative publicity.

    If it were my Company I do feel that I would be writing to ALL members and being proactive in admitting that the last 12 months haven’t shown the returns as stipulated in the advertising and face to face meetings with the Directors. I would also be answering the allegations made on this blog by various people and allaying people’s fears, particularly in the hard times we are in.

    I have had reason to contact the Company 3-4 times over the last quarter and find their attitude towards myself has changed dramatically when I have asked for ‘favours’. Customer service and backup is not a strength of this Company. Perhaps someone out there should form a pressure group so that we may take the grievances forward, instead of complaining on here.

    Any takers?

    Comment by Jon — 27th January 2009 @ 12:21 pm

  31. In response to … “Equinex have changed something business wise in the last few days…”

    The ratings have remained completely unchanged. Over time we realised a few people had difficulty in following the intricacies involved in some of the ways we used them.

    Some time ago, we identified a much simpler way of reading the ratings that has proven highly profitable and consistent and produced a set of clear and easy-to-follow guidelines to this effect. We have not had a losing week since – and can prove it to anyone that is interested.

    If any of these comments are genuinely from an old VSR owner why not try this out for yourself FREE for 14 days? It will cost you nothing to find out the ratings are superb and all you needed was an easy way of using them. You are invited to call the office and quote “bizoppsblog” and you will be provided with any help you need, access and instructions to test it for free.

    If you have never tried it for yourself, I suggest you call Equinex Ltd at their Hertfordshire office and take a free trial and ‘no obligation’ real-time demonstration yourself. It costs you nothing to find out how well this really does work and the kind of money being made with it!

    Comment by Steven — 27th January 2009 @ 12:55 pm

  32. THESE ARE VERY GENUINE COMMENTS FROM GENUINE OWNERS.

    Why do you still advertise your web site with so called 2003-06 profits, if 2007-08 were such excusable years. Why do you not advertise you “NEW” way of finding achievable wealth.Please update your website, doubt it.

    Comment by conned — 30th January 2009 @ 12:28 pm

  33. How long ago did you find this new way of reading ratings, maybe you keep selling wrongly or change the goalposts or just muddy the waters whenever you feel like it just to play with people who have invested with you. Do you believe your own **** or do you just enjoy laughing at the nice people (mugs) who have done business with you.

    Comment by conned — 30th January 2009 @ 12:35 pm

  34. Brian & conned, when are we going to do something about these charlatans?

    Comment by Richard — 5th February 2009 @ 7:17 pm

  35. The VSR ratings are exactly the same as when they were first released 10 years ago and still perform the job they were designed to do extremely well. We have simply adopted an easy way of using them that has consistently produced great results.

    Its current profit average is around £138 to £100 stakes per day … and it has not had a losing week since it started.

    We took your advice, ‘conned’ and updated the website to reflect this …

    Daily profits or losses are updated daily for all users (and potential users) to see and check. All members can download screenshots taken just before the start of each qualifying race clearly showing selections, profits and odds obtained in real-time.

    A complete archive of these is stored in the Members area so any user can check any profit claims, from any day, at any time.

    As said before, why not try the system for yourself FREE for a 14 days? (This offer was originally made on this blog on the 27th January and so far, not one ‘contributor’ has taken it up!).

    You wouldn’t have to put money on selections if you didn’t want to – just watch it and see for yourself that this is probably the best money-maker of its kind on the internet today. It will cost you nothing to find out – so what have you got to lose?

    You are invited to call or email the office and quote “bizoppsblog” and you will be provided with any help you need, access and instructions to test it for free.

    If you can’t remember the number to call, click on my name at the bottom and it will take you to the web site.

    Comment by Steven — 10th February 2009 @ 12:51 pm

  36. The reason they give you “free” use of their export software is for them to hopefully sign up to Betfair through them while they make commission on the bets that you make. Look at Betfairs site or ask Equitrack and they have to tell you the truth ,but it’s something they won’t tell you!!!!!!!!!!!

    Comment by CONNED — 22nd February 2009 @ 10:12 pm

  37. Also is’nt it amazing how they have just changed their website when challenged and again changing the goalposts, although they state paradoxically that nothing has changed since the ratings began,10 YEARS AGO,their own words!!!!

    Comment by CONNED — 22nd February 2009 @ 10:21 pm

  38. ‘Conned’ .. in your earlier comment (32 – January 30, 2009 @ 12:28 pm) you stated “Why do you not advertise you “NEW” way of finding achievable wealth.Please update your website, doubt it”.

    You now state “Isn’t it amazing how they have just changed their website” (comment 37 – February 22, 2009 @ 10:21 pm)

    I wish you would make your mind up.

    We built a new web site to make everything clearer and advertise the fact that the excellent VSR ratings have NOT changed in the 10 years since they were released – we simply found an easy way of using them that is highly profitable and consistent.
    We also post each days profits in the public area of the web site which could not legally be done unless we could prove it.

    After 10 years in this business, if all was as you say it is – there would be hundreds of comments like yours on this blog.

    Despite our repeated offers, you have not contacted us for a free trial since the offer was made to you on January 7th ’09 and again on the 27th January ’09 .. Why is that? I can only assume you are more interested in posting nasty comments for your own reasons.

    Since the first offer of a free trial made to you on the 7th January, the system has made £4,388 at just £100 stake working from Monday to Friday on daytime racing as can be confirmed daily by any user. Every existing member sees the daily totals and all selections have been updated daily since the day it started. If anyone had disagreed, our phones would have been ringing ‘off the hook’.

    To correct your (deliberate?) mis-quote of my posting (35) February 10, 2009 @ 12:51 pm .. I said “The VSR ratings are exactly the same as when they were first released 10 years ago and still perform the job they were designed to do extremely well. We have simply adopted an easy way of using them that has consistently produced great results”.

    Finally, I repeat the offer. We will give you a free trial of the system for 14 days. All you have to do is contact us and quote “bizoppsblog – conned”. There is one proviso attached to this offer now ..

    … when you have seen it makes the kind of money that I have stated it does – you agree to post your unreserved (and well deserved) apology on this blog at the end of the 14 day period, without delay. If it didn’t, then I will gladly post an open apology to you.

    So – what have you got to lose? Surely, this is a win-win situation for you. Yes, you will have egg on your face when you have to post your apology – but you will have made plenty of money in the process.

    Why do I sound so confident? Simple .. because it has still never had a losing week and probably never will!

    Comment by Steven — 23rd February 2009 @ 3:46 pm

  39. I do believe that you sold your VSR system on the premise that it had made a consistent profit between 2003-06, am I correct!!!. Since posting these comments ,you have’nt published any data for 2007/8 but you have totally changed your website and you have totally changed the way you interpretate the way you read your ratings, you EVEN CALL them VSRX NOW!!!!!!. Again you take the **** out of the genuine people who believe and trusted you. Your original Equinex SITE HAS TOTALLY DISAPPEARED.
    If you were genuine then you would write or e-mail all your members with these changes and offer them a refund if they are not satisfied with with the lifetime memberships you have sold with a so called lifetime of support.

    I AM WATCHING EVERY MOVE YOU MAKE SO I CAN MKE OTHERS AWARE.

    Comment by CONNED — 24th February 2009 @ 1:52 am

  40. BY THE WAY,PLEASE READ ALL THE TESTIMONIALS PROPERLY ON THE WEBSITE, THERE IS NOT ONE FROM THE LAST TWO YEARS!!!!!!!!!!

    Comment by CONNED — 24th February 2009 @ 1:56 am

  41. PLEASE PUBLISH YOUR PROFITS FOR 2007/08 AS IN CONJUNTION WITH 2003/6.

    LOOKS LIKE WE WILL BE WAITING A LONG TIME AS AGAIN YOU HAVE CHANGED THE GOALPOSTS.

    Comment by CONNED — 24th February 2009 @ 1:59 am

  42. Anyone looking at the equitrack.net website will see there are NO testimonials on there at all. We simply decided against it. But as we have been asked, here are a few of the most recent, unsolicited ones we have received …

    Hi Barry,

    Saturdays proving good…..£500 up on the place so far. A few more races left!

    Received Saturday, February 21 2009

    Hi Steve

    Just to say we think the new web site is great. We are 1862.00 in profit as of the 18th

    Received Saturday, February 21 2009

    Hi Steven

    Let me be one of the first past the post to congratulate you on the new website. Best point so far for me is being able to access the graphs for the previous day as this helps a lot in the learning period and saves having to contact the office and bothering staff unnecessarily.

    Both (name withheld for privacy reasons) and myself would like to thank you and your excellent team on the way the support was provided. This has been given freely and it is nice to deal with a company that is true to its word.

    Speaking as someone that has never put a bet on a horse in his life ( no not even the national) I am astounded that we are making good profits by doing just that.

    We would recommend this system to anybody that is looking for a good solid home based business where the return on investment is as quick as this.

    Received Thursday, February 19 2009

    Naturally, the originals of all these and more are available for inspection at our offices to anyone who would like a free trial.

    Profits are updated daily and are clearly on display in the public area at equitrack.net for all to see. Also, ratings are sent daily to anyone taking part in a free trail before racing starts as well as proof of selections.

    Comment by Steven — 24th February 2009 @ 2:31 pm

  43. This system does not work it is complete waste of time.
    DO NOT WASTE YOUR MONEY

    Comment by Nick Smith — 25th February 2009 @ 4:20 pm

  44. See comments 22, 31,35, 38 and 42. Book your own ‘no obligation’ free trial (available to any genuine person) at equitrack.net and find out the truth without any cost to yourself.

    Comment by Steven — 25th February 2009 @ 10:22 pm

  45. Why with don’t you e-mail all your members with the details? I also see you have taken the name Equitrack off the website, wonder why!

    Comment by CONNED — 27th February 2009 @ 2:11 pm

  46. I refer to your editorial ’38’ “egg on your face” where you say that the VSR ratings have’nt changed in the last 10 years and why I should apologise unreservedly to you. Why then do you now call them VSR-X ratings !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Comment by CONNED — 1st March 2009 @ 2:50 am

  47. As it states very clearly on the front page of the equitrack.net website …

    A simple but efficient software racing system was built back in 1998 called VSR.

    Over the last 10 years the horse ratings produced by it have constantly displayed winners and/or placed horses in pretty much every race of the day.

    Since then, we have added a new twist to it – one that has had such a dramatic impact – that since using it we have never had a losing week.

    Is this an idle claim? NO
    Can we prove it? YES

    It then goes on to say on page 2 …

    What is VSR-X?

    VSR is the unique and highly efficient software-based rating system that clearly shows the most probable winners in UK horse racing.

    When used together with our unique Live-Odds exchange software it gives us VSR-X, that all-important extra edge that others simply do not have.

    To see the incredible consistency of VSR-X click here to see recent profits from a £100 investment. (These are updated daily)

    So, all the answers to your comments are there for anyone to see.
    All our members also use this web site daily.

    Anyone is welcome to take a ‘no obligation’ FREE trial and test this out for themselves from the comfort of their own homes.

    No one needs to listen to anyone’s ANONYMOUS ramblings – they can simply find out the truth – without cost and without obligation. All they have to do is click on my name at the bottom of this article to go direct to the web site to find contact details.

    Comment by Steven — 3rd March 2009 @ 2:29 pm

  48. Can all the people below who claim that this system works post you mobile number so that I and others for who it hasnt worked can call you to find out what your magic formulae is

    Comment by Nick Smith — 3rd March 2009 @ 4:50 pm

  49. TAKE THE CHALLENGE – ITS FREE

    Since the first offer of a ‘no obligation’ FREE TRIAL was made on this blog on the 7th January, the system has made £4,799 at level £100 stakes working from Monday to Friday on daytime racing (that’s just 38 betting days) as can be confirmed daily by any user.

    We said back then “We will give you a free trial of the system for 14 days. All you have to do is contact us and quote “bizoppsblog”.

    So far, ONLY ONE contributor to this blog has taken this up and completed a 14 day free trial. He has since asked to become a subscriber so he can carry on using the system daily!!!

    All Members have now received a file showing how profits can easily be more than doubled without increasing stake size.

    Every existing member sees the daily totals and all selections have been updated daily since the day it started. If anyone had disagreed, our phones would have been ringing ‘off the hook’ – which they have not.

    So, if you would like to know what the magic formula is – visit equitrack.net and take the free trial like everyone else!!

    Comment by Steven — 3rd March 2009 @ 7:00 pm

  50. Again you you treat your lifetime members, with “lifetime support” (your words),with utter contempt. You forget the reasons why you sold this program in the first place,and now concentrate on trying to cover up the past record of the way you sold this “business” by trying to bypass your obligations and again don’t see any of you results for the last 2 years when your company came to the fore. Like I say if this new way of “making money was so good” you would only be too glad to tell your existing lifetime members or do you just forget about them like a prostitute who has made their money and moved onto their next trick. Your arrogancy beholds you.

    Comment by CONNED — 4th March 2009 @ 10:41 am

  51. Good Idea from another comment, if you are one of the people who claim that this system has worked for you please let us have your mobile numbers so we can find out how you managed to do this. A lot of these horses loose and it takes along time to get your money back if ever.

    Comment by Steven Barry — 4th March 2009 @ 1:44 pm

  52. With regards to comments “Like I say if this new way of “making money was so good” you would only be too glad to tell your existing lifetime members”… We already did!!

    If you are a GENUINE owner of a ‘Lifetime’ copy of VSR you either a) Already know this is true .. b) Simply do not check your email.. or c) Are a ‘competitor’ hiding behind the anonymity of this blog hoping to stop anyone from taking a free look at what you cannot achieve yourself.

    ANY GENUINE owner of an Untimed (Lifetime) copy of our software is, and has always been, more than welcome. If, for some reason, any GENUINE software owner has slipped through the ‘email net’ – all you have to do is call the office. .. give your details and a copy of the original email will be sent to you.

    If you wish to become a Member of our internet data entry service and have a copy of our rating software – you only have to subscribe.

    Alternatively, if you do not want pay a small monthly subscription (around £2.50 a day to be a Member and have our staff do the data entry for you), you could take up the FREE 14 DAY TRIAL (made on this blog several times already) – see exactly what we do and go do it yourself. All you need is a copy of our rating software and any good Exchange API solution that provides the same functions as ours.

    While not knowing who you are makes it difficult to offer you anything .. we have offered a FREE 14 day trial on this blog on many occasions. Interestingly, ONLY ONE NEGATIVE CONTRIBUTOR took up the offer and now wants to be a full-time subscriber!!! Why? Quite simply, because he has seen it, used it and knows it works extremely well! My guess is, he’s the only genuine one! Not bad after 10 years – eh?

    Comment by Steven — 4th March 2009 @ 4:21 pm

  53. Why listen to anonymous comments when you can try it out yourself FOR FREE and without obligation simply by quoting “bizoppsblog” when you call or email. Details can be found at equitrack.net

    Comment by Steven — 4th March 2009 @ 8:42 pm

  54. I am now glad that you admit by default that the VSR ratings did not achieve the results that were heralded on you previous website,which has now disappeared. Again your arrogancy beholds you and you are throwing all your “sales” experience behind your new found VSR-X system and your results for the past few months.How and where are you advertising this one!!

    Please take this opportunity to apologise to the members who spent their hard earned money,(£4000+) with you, and help everyone move on with a bit of dignity.

    Comment by CONNED — 5th March 2009 @ 1:19 pm

  55. I am reading all the comments with increasing disbelief. I read comments from ‘owners’ of the system and responses from Steven and it reminds me of a parent trying to explain something to a stubborn child.
    From my experience of buying this system in January of 2008, the year did not live up to the returns that were mentioned in the glossy produced by the company.
    However the system has been looked at, revamped and is now a much simpler process to follow. Detach yourself from the fact that it is horses, follow the trends of selections, taking into account the MS% and you can achieve a positive return in line with what is being reported back to you on a daily basis.
    Only the individuals that are commenting know exactly how much money they have won or lost. As they already own the system I don’t see the problem in taking up the 14 day free trial using the new system. I have followed it for 7 days now and it does appear to work. What is also important is the daily feedback with screenshots and explanations as to why a bet should or shouldnt have been made.
    I am not a ‘plant’ writing on behalf of the company, just somebody who bought the system for the same reason as the rest of you. In doing this I just want to find a way in which this can work for me and the new method would appear to be the way.
    One comment I would make is that I do feel that it would be a good idea for the company to publish the returns for the year 2008. I don’t see that there is any problem in doing so.
    If anybody continues to bemoan the system and their own bad luck, without trying the free 14 day trial then I think they’re very foolish.

    Comment by Jon — 5th March 2009 @ 4:33 pm

  56. With respect to Jon and his way of forward thinking ,which I agree with. Let’s then take this opportunity for Barry Shepard ,Stephen and the rest of Equinex to say that they now totally disregard the way that their VSR ratings were sold and will they apologise for the way they have not written to or phoned or e-mailed their existing customers with respect to this. They do make a BIG thing about their customer support after all, but is that just to pacify you while you continue to subscribe to their daily ratings or use of export, i.e. while they are still taking money off you. And if you do try to compile the ratings yourself, then there is always the chance of “user error” which equinex will always use as an excuse,and that’s why I personally believe why they will not publish the results for 2007/08 and that’s why I believe they have tried to move on by stealth.

    Comment by CONNED — 7th March 2009 @ 2:31 am

  57. Who are Sports Leisure Ltd? Is this the name Equinex have changed to to avoid the threat of legal action proposed by some of the postees on this site!!!!!!!!!!! Do your homework

    Comment by CONNED — 7th March 2009 @ 3:31 am

  58. Look at comment 31

    Comment by CONNED — 7th March 2009 @ 3:33 am

  59. “Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to decieve” a quote from Sir Walter Scott for us to ponder.

    Comment by CONNED — 7th March 2009 @ 3:36 am

  60. I would like to publicly thank Jon (comment 55) for his unbiased and unsolicited comments. It is a real breath of fresh air to read constructive and intelligent input
    in a blog where contributors are shrouded in anonymity.

    As quotes appear to be the order of the day …

    “The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is.” Winston Churchill.

    With that in mind, I invite anyone seriously interested to take a FREE 14 day trial of this highly profitable system, without obligation. All you need to do is contact us (click on the name at the bottom of this post to get contact details) and quote “bizoppsblog”.

    At the end of the free 14 day trial, you will see exactly how much profit was made for yourself. Then, if you are happy with it, no doubt you will want to buy it .. if not then you won’t. But at least you will have the advantage of seeing it with your own eyes and forming your own opinion. If you want to know the kind of money being made weekly from it – the profits or losses are posted daily on the website.

    As Galileo said “All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.” So, go discover and see the truth for yourself. You’ll be glad you did. Just click on “Steven” below ..

    Comment by Steven — 7th March 2009 @ 3:59 pm

  61. Even the 14 day trial is a con the results are manipulated to make it appear that you have made a profit. Losing horses are missed off on purpose and it is these that count. When a horse loses it takes a minmum of 2 races to break even again sometime 3. If during this time another horse loses you are now out of pocket and it will take even longer to break even. CONNED has it right this is £4000 down the drain, you will never get your money back, just look at the author of this and work out who wrote it.

    Comment by Steven Barry — 8th March 2009 @ 2:13 pm

  62. Steven Barry,

    If that is an attempt at self deprecating humour then good for you!

    Now can we finally put this to bed simply by The Company publishing on here the returns for the last 3,4 or 5 years to appease ‘CONNED’?

    It appears that will satisfy him/her. If ‘CONNED’ decides not to use a system that he/she has already purchased then that is his/her choice. But please, please will both parties stop behaving like silly little children?

    I presume that everybody who owns the system is aware of 2008, so a better idea to keep the statistics ‘in house’ may be for Barry/Steven to e mail all who have purchased the system instead?

    Yours in hope

    Comment by Jon — 8th March 2009 @ 6:03 pm

  63. “There are lies, damn lies and statistics”, Benjamin Disraeli.

    Comment by CONNED — 10th March 2009 @ 12:52 am

  64. “You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the, but you cannot fool all the people all the time” Abraham Lincoln. Who are Sports Leisure Ltd???????????

    Comment by CONNED — 10th March 2009 @ 1:18 am

  65. Enough of this anonymous mud-slinging for the sake of it. I will be happy to respond to comments made by any genuine software owner providing they post their real name as known to us.

    If you do, we will know you are a genuine owner and will have your email address on record and happily send you all the VSR reports for 2008.

    Comment by Steven — 10th March 2009 @ 11:38 am

  66. VSR-X. Again you avoid the questions. You were only to willing to publish 2003/6 on your website(which has now disappeared)to promote the VSR system. Why, why, why, do you want to e-mail members with genuine results!! and not publish them here?.Seeing as you have moved on and seem to have forgotten about the way you sold this programme, then I will say that if anyone who is considering buying VSR-X and if there is any doubt,then I think they should read all the submissions in this website and make up their own mind.

    I would like to re-iterate I am a genuine member of the VSR system which was sold by Barry Shepard, who indeed comes over as a very nice person but so was Bernard Madoff.

    Comment by CONNED — 15th March 2009 @ 11:29 am

  67. CONNED, why don’t you give it a rest?

    You have made your points poerfectly clear and it’s plain to us all that you have either misunderstood how to use the system or have suffered from a similar run of luck to the rest of us.

    Why don’t you just accept the fact that nothing in life is guaranteed except paying taxes and death itself? This is eating away at you and cant be doing you any good whatsoever.

    We are all big boys and we all went into the purchase of the software with our eyes wide open. Anybody who purchased this under the illusion that it was a fool proof method of making money needs their head tested.

    I suggest that you use the system, if you already have it, and follow what happens. If you choose not to then please refrain from your constant bleatings and criticisms?

    Comment by Jon — 16th March 2009 @ 12:31 pm

  68. So JON whats your telephone number and where do you live I would love to come round to find out how you have made this system work. It simply doesnt, there are far too many losers. So how have you managed?????

    Comment by Steven Barry — 16th March 2009 @ 5:03 pm

  69. Yes Jon, give us your phone number and I will phone you personally and tell you how they go about these business’, and also I will predict their next movements to you, based on their history so far.

    Please anyone looking to buy VSR-X, please look at this site and especially JON’s conflicting comments.

    Comment by CONNED — 17th March 2009 @ 12:28 am

  70. I don’t intend to leave my phone number on here. However if anybody else wishes to then I am happy to text them mine so they can ring me

    Comment by Jon — 17th March 2009 @ 1:08 pm

  71. STEVEN BARRY,
    I am looking at your comments on note 61.

    Results cannot be manipulated. However what can happen is that a screen shot taken by The Company can be one just before or after you have made your decision as to whether to bet or not. This part of the process is purely subjective and the interpretation of the data in front of you is down to the individual.

    I too noticed that races were missed off. The explanation for this is very simple in that they didn’t meet the criteria in the first place. In my experience all the ‘missing races’ had more then 13 runners going to post. therefore it’s unneccesary to show them the next day!

    As I have said previously nothing is guaranteed. What this system does do is to put you in better position to make an informed decision. How an individual reacts when in that position is down to them.

    Comment by Jon — 17th March 2009 @ 1:28 pm

  72. My mind is busy today!

    CONNED, you seem to have a bee in your bonnet about why The Company have changed their name? I don’t see what it matters as to what they’re called just as long as they’re not attempting to hide the truth from us as to who they actually are?

    By the way, why do you refer to yourself as CONNED and not your real name?

    Comment by Jon — 17th March 2009 @ 1:32 pm

  73. Not only have they changed their name they also change their strategy as each of them proves not to work.It used to be win and place bets then trending down graphs and now mass odds whats up for next week use a pin and JON if you spend all your time reading this how do you ever make any money and why should you care anyway?????????? work for the company by any chance.

    Comment by Steven Barry — 20th March 2009 @ 6:32 pm

  74. By the way whats your real name JON????????

    Comment by Steven Barry — 20th March 2009 @ 6:34 pm

  75. Too many conspiracy theories abound SB………. Time on my hands as I manage my time effectively. As I have said previously place your phone number on here and I will be happy to text/ring you

    Comment by Jon — 20th March 2009 @ 8:42 pm

  76. Hi,
    I am one of the many over satisfied customers in equinex. Myself and 2 of my partners signed up in January. We have made a steady income from their ratings system and equinex have always been at the end of the phone to address any queries we had which I find most important. Its quite obvious to us that when a company is trading as long as them with the data to back up the figures that were listed on their website that we were not dealing with a fly by night company. (here today gone tomorrow). I have also found with equinex that they are continuously trying to develop new methods to increase their customers profits with no additional expence to their members.
    I would like to thank everyone at Equinex from meself and my two partners for this opportunity and i’m looking forward to dealing with them on a long term basis.

    Flagtrader

    Comment by Flagtrader — 30th March 2009 @ 11:39 am

  77. I have read through the comments for the first time today and was surprised at the strong negative comments made. I purchased the system 3 years ago and use it almost every day Mon-Sat. I struggled at times and got nothing but strong constructive support from Equinex whenever I called or emailed. The system is very simple to use and as mentioned by another blogger earlier if it’s treated as a market and not a horse race it will return good results. On the 18/03/09 they started their mass index system in addition to their graph system. I’ve had only one losing day of £15. This past Friday and Saturday (27-28th March) were quite amazing with only one loss from twenty bets. Profit last week 23rd – 28th March with £100 bets was £1278.

    I have the spreadsheets I keep for my records and although there will always be losses the average win is £50 so on average two wins cancels out the loss. Do not expect every day to be a winner but expect every week to be a winner.
    I have full faith in this system and support Equinex in a good strong easy to use system.
    I recommend anybody who wants to improve their income to take the free trial be surprised at how much money can be made and buy it.

    Comment by Dave Fleming — 30th March 2009 @ 2:24 pm

  78. Great comments Dave (Fleming)

    I had excellent results over the weekend as well. Did you just use the Mass Index,the place system or a combination of them both?

    I would be interested to hear please?

    Comment by Jon — 30th March 2009 @ 7:49 pm

  79. Hi Jon,
    I used the Mass Index only.

    Comment by Dave Fleming — 31st March 2009 @ 9:30 am

  80. Hi Dave,

    Thanks for that. I’m just using that as well now. Far more simplistic but a proven winner. It takes away the uncertainty of a horse suddenly trending up or down at the last minute as well.

    Appreciate the feedback mate.

    Jon

    Comment by Jon — 31st March 2009 @ 11:02 am

  81. Hi Jon,
    I agree. It’s either a bet or it’s not – simple as that and as you say it’s got history proving it’s an easy winner.
    Dave

    Comment by Dave Fleming — 31st March 2009 @ 11:34 am

  82. [Ben: I have slightly edited this comment in order to break up one long paragraph. Other than that, it remains unedited]

    I have been a user of vsr software for a few years now in between holding down a real job as a company director (now redundant). I have to admit that I did not follow the strict guidelines most of the time and had more losers than winners but I never blamed the software company for this as I knew the risks of not following the guidelines and got carried away. I accept full responsibility for the past failures.

    The system now is MUCH better and is making me money. I am still struggling on occasions to make as much as they claim and partly this is the exact timing cut off point when a bet is taken according to the graphs i.e. refresh and a 10 seconds later a slight downward curve could change to a slight upward curve and make them decide it’s a non bet while I have decided it’s a bet (and vice versa).

    There are some days where I win and they declare a loss or a smaller win so there is no deception on their part which is refreshing. In my opinion they still need to nail down the system so that users don’t have to make subjective decisions and I say this because there are many traders using betfair and markets are manipulated massively even by me who will try and send the price of a “hot” horse upwards by laying a £1000 bet just to make the price as good as possible for me.

    Of course I don’t take the bet but the large sum scares the traders and the price generally rises a few points and it’s worth doing this on a tight price horse. So the “market manipulation” side of things is a problem and I daily see MANY of their horses place that the graphs have declared a no bet.

    This is why I am playing with the mass index system now as I want to be 100% sure of what to bet on and this system although makes less money than using the graphs it’s easier to understand and means you don’t have to keep watching graphs like a hawk just before the off. My experience now is even better and it’s easy to make £100 daily with £100 bets.

    In fact if I had “balls of steel” I could be making more on some days (and I guess losing more on others) but I tend to be more confident spending £100 on a 1.5 priced horse than a 3.5 priced horse so often lower my bets or don’t bet when I see those ones come up. I am also considering lowering the 13 max horses per race to 10 but trying to collect data on this first. I am now 50 and unlikely to get another top industry job because my industry has been decimated so I pray that this system can give me winning weeks on a regular basis and I truly believe that it will based on the newest approaches we are now doing.

    Personally I think the company should stop selling the software now and just look after the existing client base and continue investment into new ways etc. If everyone was using this system it would become devalued so although I am writing a fairly positive report I really do NOT want people buying the software. I was sorely tempted to write a negative review under a false name to put off would be buyers to keep my investment safer but I decided that would be unfair and unethical and so I have posted here with my real name and email address warts and all.

    Before considering this type of purchase you must also be aware that although it can be fun it can also be very stressful on a losing day and the temptation may be to chase your losses but there is no need to do this because in my experience a losing day is always followed by another winning day. I can’t comment on the system going back a few years because I was extremely busy and unable to devote myself full time to sitting in front of a screen as I now do (well from 2pm until 5.30pm).

    I did lose money though back then by NOT following their system and choosing to lay horses. I made £1200 in my first week even laying horses in the place markets but lost it all the next week when I took some huge hits and that made me focus again on my real job.

    I am killing some time waiting for a car in the garage so this is being posted from an internet cafe which is why it’s long and rambling but I hope it helps someone considering buying the software….and my advice is DON’T because you will spoil my investment if too many people get on the bandwagon! (selfishly Les)

    Comment by Les — 1st April 2009 @ 12:26 pm

  83. CONNED
    do you think that theses positive comments have been put here to hide the truth.

    Comment by Steven Barry — 6th April 2009 @ 4:06 pm

  84. I bought the system a couple of years ago with the old guidelines and lost money. I appreciate that the company have re-written the guidelines and it would appear that they are now showing healthy profits but to use the system correctly involves sitting in front of the computer all day – something I just don’t have time to do anymore. Hence I’d be quite happy to sell the software at a knock down price if anybody’s interested?

    Comment by David — 6th April 2009 @ 7:42 pm

  85. Dave,

    Am not sure what correspondence you receive from the company, but there is a sysytem being looked at, right now, that may mean all you have to do is to use the MI stats once they’re produced then walk away for the day!

    You should give Steve a ring as he will be able to explain it far better then I do as he is the creator of it.

    Comment by Jon — 7th April 2009 @ 9:56 am

  86. Steven Barry,

    Am still awaiting both yours and CONNED’s numbers so that I can text you mine. Remember that you ‘both’ wanted to discuss with me?

    Comment by Jon — 7th April 2009 @ 9:58 am

  87. Jon how come you want our numbers but wont give us yours. Work for the company by any chance. And you can manipulate results if you miss off most of the losers.

    Comment by Steven Barry — 21st April 2009 @ 5:41 pm

  88. What a silly comment! Don’t you realise that screen shots of the betting market are taken at exactly one minute before the start of each race along with charts of all selections which clearly show when a bet is a bet and when it is not!

    The profits or losses are posted on the web site daily in the public area.

    All screen shots of each race are posted in the members area of the equitrack website daily with profits or losses shown clearly .. and have been since it started. These can be checked by any member at any time.

    Also, all Mass Index (which we don’t advertise) selections are named – in advance of racing taking place. How the heck can you hide that or .. the fact that it produced over £6,500 in the last month?

    As for suggesting Jon works for the company and is manipulating results .. that is both nasty and untrue. What straw will you grasp at next? I do work for the company and I know for a fact he does not!

    Comment by Steven — 21st April 2009 @ 9:51 pm

  89. Steven Barry,

    I do not want your numbers particularly. If you bothered to read what you and/or CONNED said, you will see that you asked for my number to discuss how I was making the system work to my advantage.

    I replied that I had no intention of divulging my number to the general public. However if you wished to chat the I suggested that you ‘both’ could give me your number(s) and I would be happy to contact you.

    Regarding your ‘manipulation’ comment, you clearly don’t understand the data given on a daily basis by The Company or else you wouldn’t even suggest such a thing.

    Finally, I bought this system so that I wouldn’t have to work for anybody again. Whilst I am nowhere near being made wealthy by the system, it is benefitting me in a positive manner.

    The offer still stands to you ‘both’ to leave your numbers on this blog. Like the purchase of the system software you are under no obligation to do so!!

    Comment by Jon — 22nd April 2009 @ 4:16 pm

  90. Yet another fine week in the making …

    Starting the week with £100 per selection ..

    Monday to Thursday £486 up on the charts

    Monday to Thursday £970 up on Mass Index and still have todays to come!

    Any bizopps blogger is welcome to see this working for themselves, with their own eyes .. in real-time. Click on the name below to find out more ..

    Comment by Steven — 1st May 2009 @ 1:32 pm

  91. CONNED
    You have been missing for a while HOW? BY WHOM? and HOW? where you conned?

    Comment by Steven Barry — 14th May 2009 @ 8:52 pm

  92. Schizophrenia is a mental disorder

    Comment by Jon — 15th May 2009 @ 10:35 am

  93. Lovely advert in the DAILY STAR, not a mention about systems or using a betting site, wonder why!!! If this system shows a profit as declared by the “new” revamped VSR X, then why does’nt Barry Shepard and Steven INVEST our money on our behalf and just give us the profit every week. I would gratefully give them £1000 to do this as it would be quite simple to add our money to their account and place bets on ou behalf and take the profits that they publicise on their “new” website every week.

    How about it Barry!!!!! I won’t be holding my breath because I think I know your answer.

    p.s. I would willingly give you 50% commission for doing it.
    How perfect for all parties.

    Comment by CONNED — 17th May 2009 @ 10:06 pm

  94. That sounds about ‘par for the course’, Colin. Unjustly disparage someone else then ask them to make money for you instead of you doing it yourself (as you would have been perfectly able to do if you had ever used VSRX yourself).

    The simple fact of the matter is that anyone who attends a demonstration of the system is shown how it works, then they get to identify investments themselves and fire our real money into a real market themselves – in real time .. and watch the profits as they come in.

    And we do that with genuinely interested people – daily.

    This is something that cannot be faked or staged regardless of what you would have people believe. Perhaps it is just sour grapes because we would not entertain anyone being so rude to staff on day one??

    Also, we post screenshots taken at one minute before the start of each race in our members area clearly showing qualifying investments for all members to check their profits against.

    By way of an example here are the profits for the last few weeks to £100 stakes from using VSRX afternoons only from Monday to Friday:

    W/E 15th May 2009 £927
    W/E 8th May 2009 £577 (short week due to Bank Holiday)
    W/E 1st May 2009 £839
    W/E 24th April 2009 £902

    etc etc.

    As one member said on 11th May “The past week including evenings .. total net profit £1,354 .. so above the average of around £200 per day. Thanks again .. ”

    ‘Nuff said.

    Comment by Steven — 19th May 2009 @ 3:25 pm

  95. Hi everyone I am new to this site and was directed here by Steven (equinex), I am in the same situation as Dave comment 84. I do not have the time to sit at the computer all afternoon and am looking to sell my software. I paid considerably more than the £3500 + VAT that it is now going for so would be happy to let it go for £3500 inc Vat a saving of £525, which is not bad if you are not VAT registered. So maybe the members who have the time to use the system may have friends that might be interested. If so my contact number is 07941396749.

    Comment by Andy B — 20th May 2009 @ 7:49 pm

  96. Again you avoided every aspect of what was said and closed it by showing your true colours,”nuff said”. What sort of respectable business talks like that. Must have hit a nerve or truth even.

    Comment by CONNED — 20th May 2009 @ 8:29 pm

  97. Whats this now two people trying to sell their software? I wonder Why?

    Comment by Steven Barry — 21st May 2009 @ 10:04 pm

  98. Anyone wanting to know whether VSRX is for them or not doesn’t need anyone else to make their minds up for them when they can see it for themselves .. in real-time .. without obligation!

    They simply call us and book a meeting at our offices (where we have been for the last 11 years) to see it working … live.

    We explain how it works … then they get to identify investments themselves before a race starts .. and fire our real money into a real market themselves – in real time .. and watch the profits as they come in!!

    That is why we are happy to invite anyone genuinely interested to take an independent look this highly profitable system, without obligation.

    To contact us (click on the name at the bottom of this post to get contact details) and quote “bizoppsblog”.

    Then, if you are happy with it, we have no doubt you will want to use it yourself.

    If you want to know the kind of money being made daily or weekly from it – the profits or losses are updated daily on the equitrack.net website and are based purely on using just £100 during the afternoons from Monday to Friday .. although, it can be used just as easily during evenings and/or Saturdays. If you intend to put £200 to work – simply double the profits you see.

    Finally, there is a limit to the financial impact we can have on these fantastic markets without damaging our own profits (we use it too) so we have committed to only sell 80 copies of the system in 2009.

    As Les said back in April .. “I hope it helps someone considering buying the software….and my advice is DON’T because you will spoil my investment if too many people get on the bandwagon! (selfishly Les)”.

    Comment by Steven — 22nd May 2009 @ 11:10 am

  99. Why do you publish your results if you leave it up to your customers to put their own bets (sorry INVESTMENTS) on, put the money on for your clients and everybody would be happy, but we all know The weight of money would change the prices at the time that you take your shot,but new peole to your “BUSINESS” would not understand this.

    Just take a shot of the money you bet(sorry INVEST)at the time and then again at the end of the day showing your publicised profits and back this up by showing your profit/loss page of your Betfair account.

    NUFF SAID

    Comment by CONNED — 27th May 2009 @ 12:19 am

  100. ‘CONNED’

    Whilst I can see where you are coming from as regards your last posting, and in an ideal world your comments seem to be Utopia, my reply is ‘why should they’?

    When you do your weekly food shop at Tescos, Sainsburys, Asda or whoever you use, do you also expect them to come around and cook the food for you, so that it looks and tastes as good as you expect it to? the answwer to that is ‘NO’ so why would you expect the same from this?
    If you are looking to invest your monies in a managed fund may I suggest Equity Plans, Unit Trusts etc etc?

    Mind you, if you look at their track record over the last number of years you’ll see that is a major risk as well. The small print with any investment of that nature is that the investment can go down in value as well as up.

    You and I and everybody else have purchased this system knowing 100% the risks and rewards involved. those risks are no different to what I have mentioned above

    It has already been admitted that the system had it’s shortcomings in 2008 (when I bought in) and it is evident that the Company are looking to develop what is already working, into something that is as good as you will get in this market.

    Only 2 things are guaranteed in life and they are that 1) you will pay taxes and 2) You will die!

    I have not seen it printed anywhere that this system is GUARANTEED to produce the returns that you crave. Indeed, as you well know, past perfromance is not necessarily a guide to future performance.

    If you use the Mass Index statistics/information provided then you will see that it is not possible to manipulate the information provided the following day from the screenshots. If you follow the process as stipulated, using The Mass Index File then you will see positve growth in your Fund. Should you choose to deviate from the instructions then YOU must shoulder the consequences, not anybody else.

    Comment by Jon — 28th May 2009 @ 12:05 pm

  101. They say that they also use VSR-X, I personally think they would only be too glad to show their rich pickings if they do what they say they do.

    Comment by CONNED — 28th May 2009 @ 8:02 pm

  102. And if they did, would it stop you from your incessant sniping and criticising?
    If it would then I think that it’s a good idea

    Comment by Jon — 29th May 2009 @ 10:55 am

  103. Very disappointed to not get one enquiry about my software surely the people on here that are making a profit from this have some freinds they would recommend this to. If not why not? CONNED why dont you buy it.

    Comment by Andy B — 29th May 2009 @ 1:13 pm

  104. Placing everyone’s money for them cannot work in the Place markets.

    In these markets it is quite conceivable for all of us to separately place bets of up to £200 – £300 per selection without causing a dramatic effect due to the rate at which money flows through the market from one minute before the race.

    If any single bet of several thousands was placed into the Place markets all at once .. two things would happen:

    1) The bulk of the bet would be unmatched (due to the relatively small amounts of money available at specific odds in each 10 milliseconds) and the residue would have to be continually re-submitted at differing odds in the hope of getting it all matched before the race went off.

    2) The resultant effect would be a complete imbalance in the market causing an artificially created trend which would be open to abuse i.e. the temptation would be to let it bottom out .. Lay the selection .. then later on Back it at higher odds as the market corrects itself .. and take a profit whether the horse wins or loses.

    This would enable any ‘outsider’ to make hefty profits from our actions while our own members would see far smaller returns from being on the winning horse.

    Lastly, if we were able to bet several thousands at once in the place markets .. and get it all matched – we would simply do it all ourselves and not tell a living soul.

    So, instead .. we work hard to continually look for new or easier ways to enhance our members experience and profits using what is already a highly profitable system.

    But to be fair, anyone actually using it would already know that!

    Comment by Steven — 29th May 2009 @ 2:09 pm

  105. Let’s be honest for once and for all !!!!!! Stephen, you are a salesman….. You don’t give a shit about your clients as long as you get a pay day yourself !!!! otherwise you would be using VSR-X TO GIVE YOURSELF AN INCOME EVERYDAY.. You have no respect for your clients or future mugs. We know your past history and how your old website disappeared after things were posted on this site and as for 11 years in business, I think your calculations are a bit wrong.

    If you need to qualify that, then give the name of the company and how they were registered in companies house.

    MY PERSONAL OPINION TO ANYONE WHO HAS HAD THE PLEASURE OF MEETING BARRY SHEPARD AND HIS LOVELY STAFF, IS TO THINK ABOUT EV ERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN SAID HERE AND LEAVE WELL ALONE,BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE A FEW THOUSAND POUND TO BUY INTO THEIR SO CALLED BUSINESS, KEEP IT…………….DO NOT WASTE YOUR MONEY PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE ,TRUST SOMEBODY WHO HAS ASKED EVERY QUESTION AND GOT WORSE ANSWERS THAN MP’S CLAIMING EXPENSES.

    Comment by CONNED — 30th May 2009 @ 1:10 am

  106. ALSO WHY DO THEY STILL PERSIST WITH TWO DIFFERENT WEBSITES,

    EQUINEX and EQUITRACK.NET

    Why why why,, please enlighten us Stephen, Barry, anyone else concerned with VSR-X or any derivitive

    Please ask yourself why these people want your money !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Comment by CONNED — 30th May 2009 @ 1:19 am

  107. EQUINEX.COM is directly and exclusively involved with promoting our excellent Export live-odds Exchange trading software.

    EQUIRACK.NET is the home of our VSRX racing system and explains how it works and shows the daily profits being achieved by the system. All of our REAL existing clients see this daily !!!!!!!!!

    Equinex was established in 1998.

    We pride ourselves on providing a first-class after-sales and support service to all members as any of our customers would testify and have done!

    Steven uses the system himself at every opportunity. Unfortunately, he is often engaged helping our many new clients and misses more betting time than he would like.

    As he often says, (and as he clearly explained in posting 104) if we could place all of the money in the markets ourselves we wouldn’t be allowing anyone else to use it. Sadly, it is the nature of the markets we deal in that only relatively small amounts of £100 – £300 per bet are practical.

    Lastly, ANYONE that is interested in finding out the truth comes to our offices and is shown how to use the system. Then they get to place bets THEMSELVES on the VSRX selections IN REAL-TIME using our money! Then they get to watch the profits come in IN REAL TIME !!!

    Comment by Barry — 1st June 2009 @ 3:55 pm

  108. NICE AD IN THE DAILY EXPRESS. £60,000 A YEAR. RUBBISH.

    Comment by CONNED — 2nd June 2009 @ 12:41 am

  109. Thanks. We like the ad too .. and bear in mind, we couldn’t advertise it if we couldn’t prove it !!

    To that end, that is why we offer any serious enquirer the chance to try it out for themselves FOR FREE.

    Anyone who just wants to trade the online Sports Exchange markets will find information about our live-odds trading platform on the Equinex.com web site.

    Others who are more interested in a simple system that has never had a losing week since it started can find the information on the Equitrack.net web site.

    Then if they are interested in seeing it working in real-time, they can arrange a FREE, no obligation trial where they are shown how to do it themselves using our software and our money on real markets in real time and watch the profits as they come in.

    All anyone needs to do in order to arrange a free trial is call our offices (where we have been since 1998) and book a convenient day – and see this amazing system for themselves.

    Comment by Steven — 2nd June 2009 @ 1:12 pm

  110. What did your system make in 2007?

    Comment by CONNED — 4th June 2009 @ 8:05 pm

  111. Email received from an existing member (since March 2006) this morning at 8.42am, 8th June 2009.

    “Hi Steve,

    You may want to use any of my text in your blog in answer to that nutter Conned.

    Saturday, 30th May returned £750 net profit.

    Lost Mon & Tues 1st & 2nd June but recovered the rest of the week with a £600 net profit then Saturday brought in £550.

    A fantastic return for £100 considering we’re in recession”

    To the valued member who sent the above, I would like to say a very public thank you. You are a gentleman, Sir.

    After nearly 11 years in our business we know the vast majority of members prefer to carry on making money with the system while retaining a low profile. It is so nice to receive unsolicited input from members who actually use the system themselves …

    Comment by Steven — 8th June 2009 @ 10:36 am

  112. Same ad in the Daily Mail, Mon 8 June, £60,000, along with the recent Daily Star and Express ads. Again you cannot verify this, apart from you money you make from the people who buy your system and kickbacks from Betfair.

    I will be posting a list of questions for any potential buyers to ask you, shortly.

    Comment by CONNED — 8th June 2009 @ 8:03 pm

  113. Silly man. Of course we can verify it .. and do – daily!

    Had you ever used VSRX yourself you would know that!

    Also, I notice you completely avoid any mention of the email sent in yesterday (posting 111) from one of our existing members (joined March 2006) telling you exactly how much he’s personally making from using the System himself.

    What a surprise!

    As for you posting questions for other people to ask – how preposterous considering you have NEVER used VSRX yourself and obviously know so little about it.

    I am sure anyone reading this blog can plainly see by my previous comments they can have a ‘no obligation’, free trial, use the system themselves in real-time, with our real money – and make up their own minds.

    Just like several new members already have!

    Comment by Steven — 9th June 2009 @ 1:52 pm

  114. How long has VSR-X been in operation? 11 years!!!!!!!!!

    Comment by CONNED — 10th June 2009 @ 11:57 pm

  115. The ratings that VSRX needs in order to work have actually been produced for races as far back as 1993.

    Our analysis engine contains a massive database of all data required to produce ratings for each horse – in each UK race since the first public ratings were produced by us in 1998.

    VSRX is simply a great discovery that was released to members by us last year which provides an easy and efficient way to use the ratings and turn the information into excellent, tax-free profits.

    As one of our members (joined us in 2006) said in posting 111 …

    “Saturday, 30th May returned £750 net profit.

    Lost Mon & Tues 1st & 2nd June but recovered the rest of the week with a £600 net profit then Saturday brought in £550.

    A fantastic return for £100 considering we’re in recession”

    Comment by Steven — 11th June 2009 @ 11:09 am

  116. What cooling off priod do you employ ????

    Comment by CONNED — 17th June 2009 @ 7:30 pm

  117. We provide a free one week trial, followed by a real-time live demonstration during which each potential client is shown how to use the system.

    They then identify selections for forthcoming races themselves using the methods we have taught them and get to fire real money into the markets and watch the profits and results as they come in.

    Afterwards they can go away and think it over if they wish, or alternatively, make another appointment to come back and try it again.

    Ultimately, if they like it – they can buy it.

    ‘Cooling off’ periods apply to credit transactions under the consumer credit act and not to this type of purchase.

    Hope that helps to clarify it for you.

    Comment by Steven — 18th June 2009 @ 7:09 pm

  118. So from the second that monies are paid to your company, there is absolutely no recourse, is that correct. If so then people need to know the questions to ask you up front before they hand over their hard earned money for the VSR-X, VSR, Equinex, Equitrack systems, do you agree.

    Comment by CONNED — 18th June 2009 @ 11:37 pm

  119. I have still not had any interest shown in the purchase of my software, which is quite a shock as according to some of the comments on this page it is the best thing since sliced bread. Also I am offering it at a hugh discount (see my earlier messages). So Steve why dont you buy this back from me. As I have pointed out to you in e-mails you have nothing to lose you have already made a profit out of me if you buy it back and can make aprofit again when you sell it. You are only selling a certain ammount. Also as I have pointed out to you if you increase your own stake for 3-4 weeks it will cost you nothing as your winnings will cover the cost. Surely this could be done for Dave as well. Surely as both myself and Dave have pointed out we can not sit in front of a computer all afternoon, this was not the system we bought into.We bought the place and win system that you no longer advertise.

    Comment by Andy B — 19th June 2009 @ 3:20 pm

  120. Hiya Andy B,

    I probably be interested in purchasing your software but i would like to know few things before i finally made my mind up

    1 – Is your software same as the current equitrack (place) application? is this the updated one? or have you got the old win+place software like you said?
    2 – when did you made your purchase?
    3 – I would need to check with Steve if thats ok if i buy your license off of you..or if steve can leave his comments here on the blog then that would be great!
    4 – I would certainly not buy for the price of £3500 as this is the actual software price i would like to buy it for less than than.. otherwise would dont mind buying off from steve at his price with the fresh and new license and set up.

    So please update me with my query and will take it from there mate.

    Regards,

    Gurkamal

    Comment by kammi — 21st June 2009 @ 1:18 am

  121. Hi Gurkamal,

    If Andy is willing to sell his copy to you we would have no objection. His software produces the same ratings we all download and use at the core of the place system as well s part of the Mass Index selections.

    Once you have signed the owners confidentiality agreement and set up your Betfair account through us, you will have the software owners right to be able to subscribe to our secure website services and get access to Place bet system and Mass Index as well (which is derived directly from the ratings). Mass Index allows you to place bets without having to watch the market before a race i.e. bets can generally all be placed at once if you wish.

    Only two Mass Index selections were highlighted yesterday (20th June).. 2:25 Ayr Firebet (won 7/2) and 2:50 Redcar Master Nimbus (won 3/1) and both could have been placed following download at around 1pm.

    The old win and place method of reading the ratings that Andy refers to still works providing you stick to a special set of race types and conditions but it is far more complex than the methods we use for using the ratings these days.

    If you both agree and do not wish to put your phone numbers on here I will be happy to call either of you and supply the others number (with your permission) if you wish. Just call me at the office to let me know and I’ll arrange it for you.

    Comment by Steven — 21st June 2009 @ 2:41 pm

  122. Gurkamal
    you have read Steves comments I assume and he is quite happy for you to buy my software. My number is already on here below but here it is again 07941396749. I look forward to hearing from you.

    Comment by Andy B — 21st June 2009 @ 6:33 pm

  123. Hi Gurkamal,

    Thought you might like a quick update on the Mass Index highlight performance since my last posting as I know you’re keen to get started .. and you’ve already seen VSRX making money in real-time when you came for a live demonstration.

    As you can see, we only had one loss in the last 16 Mass Index selections (highlights) giving a place bet profit of £1,062 (at £100 stakes)for the last 4 days (date of my last posting).

    20-Jun-09 AYR 02:25 9 FIR W 7/2
    20-Jun-09 REDC 02:50 14 MN W 3/1
    22-Jun-09 LING 02:15 8 MB 3rd 11/10
    22-Jun-09 CHEP 06:50 12 TT 2nd 1/1
    22-Jun-09 WIND 07:40 8 DYK 2nd 5/2
    22-Jun-09 WIND 08:40 7 RP 2nd 13/8
    23-Jun-09 BEVE 02:45 12 TAL w 6/4
    23-Jun-09 BRIG 04:30 8 JAF 3rd 11/10
    23-Jun-09 BRIG 05:00 8 STE 2nd 7/2
    23-Jun-09 BEVE 05:15 6 SD L 11/4
    23-Jun-09 NEWT 08:05 14 DR W 4/1
    24-Jun-09 CARL 02:30 10 MM w 5/2
    24-Jun-09 SALI 02:45 10 PM 3rd 11/4
    24-Jun-09 SALI 04:20 11 ITS 2nd 7/2
    24-Jun-09 KEMP 08:50 12 CHJ w 7/2
    24-Jun-09 BATH 09:10 7 BAT w 7/4

    VSRX is also up by £1,054 so far this week (to £100 stakes)from Monday to Wednesday (last night). (Yesterdays profits will be posted on equitrack.net by around 1pm today)

    If Andy is still willing to sell you his copy I’d grab it with both hands before someone else does (as he’s put his number on this blog!).

    As you know, we allocated just 80 copies for sale in 2009 and we are selling out faster than expected (guess the word has got out)- so if you don’t get a move on you won’t be able to get one from Andy or us.

    Speak to you soon, Gurkamal.

    Comment by Steven — 25th June 2009 @ 9:59 am

  124. Hi Gurkamal,

    Set up your own Betfair account and see the reaction you get from Steve in Equinex and that Goes for everybody else, if you are still thinking of buying this means of taking around £4000 out of your pocket for no guarantees whatsoever, please set up your own BETFAIR accounts. This can be done very easily by going to the Betfair website and calling them direct and not through a third party like EQUINEX.

    Comment by CONNED — 2nd July 2009 @ 7:07 pm

  125. Thanks for bringing that up!

    As our system generates such a high degree of winners and profits every week, we ask all new users to open their Betfair account using our link.

    The reason is plain and simple! Betfair charge up to 5% commission on winnings (no charge for losses) for running the exchange and I think we would all agree, that is fair.

    We have an agreement in place that they will pay us a small on-going percentage of the commission they charge on all accounts set up by using our link. This is worth up to £8,000 per year per users to us. The more money each user makes – the more our kick-back from the exchange is worth.
    It does not affect the end user – but comes directly from Betfair.

    Bearing in mind that sales of this system will cease when our last copy is sold (should be somewhere around late September at the current rate), this ‘kick-back’ helps to ensure we can keep all the support services going for many years to come for all members.

    Now, just taking the period since my last posting (25th June – posting 123) as an example: VSRX has made another £1,427 to £100 level stakes using the system from Mondays to Fridays – so that is in 6 betting days!

    This is probably why we get comments from people who actually use the system like the following:

    Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 10:15 AM

    Dear Barry and Steve,
    A quick update after 4 weeks with my vsr export system—absolutely great had some winners on Saturday after a great week.The system is as efficient as you said,and back up support from yourselves and Sharon when I have had a query is excellent. Its great to know I have peace of mind that I will be able to retire earlier than I planned and still enjoy a consistent income. So I would like to thank you all for your great teamwork.Please feel free to show this letter to anyone who is considering joining the Equinex community as I hesitated to join and it has been my best decision in years.
    Best Regards,
    Alan.T.

    Considering that setting up a Betfair account through us costs the end user nothing, I can’t really see any intelligent person thinking that is unreasonable! Obviously, Alan T didn’t.

    Comment by Steven — 3rd July 2009 @ 11:14 am

  126. Steve
    Glad to hear the 80 copies you have allocated for this year are going like hot cakes. As this is the situation I can only assume that you will now be more than happy to buy my copy back and sell it on. As I have pointed out you have made a profit from me as I will be selling it back for less and then you can sell it on at a profit again and as the VAT is already paid you can give someone a bargain. Look forward to hearing from you.
    Andy

    Comment by Andy B — 5th July 2009 @ 11:40 am

  127. Steven still waiting to hear from you.

    Comment by Andy B — 15th July 2009 @ 4:23 pm

  128. Steven
    Can not understand why I have still not heard from you my number is below as you know, so I await your call!!!

    Comment by Andy B — 17th July 2009 @ 5:27 pm

  129. Andy B

    Why dodn’t you try ringing their office then you would find out that Steve is on holiday maybe?

    Comment by Jon — 18th July 2009 @ 5:00 pm

  130. JON
    I have bought this subject up with Steven by phone and e-mail a few times in the past but it has always been overlooked. As Steven bought the subject up on this site I thought this would be as good a place as any to persue the matter. Still not heard from him though?

    Comment by Andy B — 22nd July 2009 @ 12:48 pm

  131. Hi Andy,

    Can’t understand you wanting to sell to be honest mate…… Mass Index is working really well….. 24 places out of the last 26 recommendations… And it takes no more than 10 minutes to access and place your investments.

    Comment by Jon — 22nd July 2009 @ 7:04 pm

  132. JON
    Still nothing from Steven but I would like to hear from you my number is below, if you scroll down. Intrigued by the Mass index and how it only takes 10 mins, if thats the case I may be in a position to look at it.

    Comment by Andy B — 28th July 2009 @ 5:06 pm

  133. I am considering attending a demonstration of the Equinex/Equitrack VSR system at the Cheshunt office of this firm, with a view of buying the software.

    Can anyone provide me with any evidence that their scheme works and pays for itself and makes a profit. Also what amount of time per day is required to use it. I am basically looking for a ‘tipping’ service by email/text which lists any horses on each day which fall into the criteria of being considered Equinex definites ! Whilst their info by post is quite well presented there seems a reluctance to provide any recent past performance charts etc.

    My phone number is [removed] if it is easier to speak !

    Comment by Alfred Gardiner — 5th August 2009 @ 6:19 pm

  134. Dear Alfred,

    You have made several appointments in the past to see the system working in real-time .. but so far have not turned up for one.

    Any serious enquirer is shown how the system works, taught to use it .. then allowed to use our money to place on qualifying selections throughout the afternoon – in real time so you can watch the profits as they come in.

    There is no obligation to buy and you are welcome to ‘go away and think it over before deciding to purchase’.

    We have never refused to provide you with recent performance statistics and have sent you many updates.

    In fact, profit or loss figures are uploaded to the public area of our website daily.

    If you go to equitrack.net and click on ‘How much can I make’ on the left-hand column followed by clicking on the ‘Click here’ when the page loads, you will see all the daily performance figures calculated at £100 level stakes. Some clients use higher stakes – some lower and profits are proportionately affected.

    When you come to our offices we show you the members (secure) side of that which has real-time screenshots showing the actual live markets and selections just before the start of each race. These are often used by existing members to double-check against their own activity.

    For example, here is an excerpt of an email received from Dave P in Calgary, Canada late on Friday 7th August 09 ..

    Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 5:19 PM

    Hi Steve,

    Follow your screenshots everyday and I am still making the odd mistake against you but the results have been very positive and this week, as of writing I am a grand up, yahoo, pardon the pun.

    We had the biggest storm here the other night, largest in Calgary for over thirty years, hailstones the size of golf balls, bloody idiot that I am was stood outside 2am in the morning taking pictures, the locals thought I was nuts, mad dogs and Englishman ugh!.

    Catch up with you soon mate, regards to Sharon, Barry and all you guys there.

    David

    If you are looking for a tipping service, you have come to the wrong place. If you are looking for an easy-to-use system that has consistently made excellent profits every week since it started, then VSRX might be for you.

    So, Alfred, call the office (I know you have the number) and come along and see it for yourself. You have nothing to lose and are under no obligation to buy. You will get to use the system, see it work in real-time and have all your questions answered openly and candidly. Then, at least you will go away being fully informed and be able to think it over to your hearts content.

    Comment by Steven — 10th August 2009 @ 12:02 pm

  135. Oh dear, just stumbled across this website and feel I should put my own perspective across to give a balanced view. I purchased the full license in late february and have been making small but consistent profits each week. I can only afford to place £20 bets but but each week I average a good £100 to £130 profit and that’s tax free for me.

    I am now retired and not on a big pension I might add so this money although not huge does help immensely with my living expenses. I think people who are having a bad time need to grasp two things…
    1. timing is everything (1 minute means 1 minute!)
    2. learn to understand graphs and downward trends.

    Learn these two things and you will make money. There are the odd days when a graph is difficult to interpret (maybe one or two bets a week) and I advise then if not sure DO NOT BET. From experience it’s best not to take the chance and lose because the win percentages will work positively and negate those 1 or 2 difficult decisions.

    If you don’t want to be making occasional subjective decisions then use the mass market index. I prefer daily small profits and can’t remember the last time I had two consecurive losing days. The mass market is IMPOSSIBLE to fake as its published at 12pm before racing commences. The system I use (graphs and timing) is also robust although in any one week there are a couple of “iffy” graphs where a wrong interpretation could be had (and a wrong bet made) BUT even with this you still make a healthy profit most days and definitely every week which is all that counts. Your only possible argument with them will be “I made 10% less profit than you claimed you made”….which is still a bloody good return on investment. Will it continue?…goodness knows but I hope the next six months is like the first six months.

    I do agree though that to become good at this you need to be free from 2pm to 5.45pm mon to fri as it won’t run on auto pilot. So for an older retired person or maybe someone on shifts, or someone who has a stay at home wife, you can get around this one issue.

    Well just wanted to put my own perspective on things because it works well for me.

    Comment by Chris — 26th August 2009 @ 1:39 am

  136. If you’re reading this then you must be interested in the Equitrack system. If this is the case then my software is for sale, I am no longer in a position to make use of it, so you can save money by buying my copy. Steven (Equitrack) has stated that you can still go along to view the system live and then still get all the normal support and backup provided by Equitrack. So buying my copy will save you the VAT and I will also knock off some of the price, (this saving could be put towards your betting pot). All enquiries my number is below. Save yourself some money.

    Comment by Andy B — 26th August 2009 @ 4:04 pm

  137. Chris,

    Re comment no. 135. Is the only reason that you level your stakes at £20 because that’sall that you can afford, or isit because that is a level that you feel comfortable with?

    I only ask because if it’s the former then surely you can increase the level of stake as your ‘pot’ increases? This would then increase again the amount of money that you have won?

    I’d appreciate a reply as this system is something that I am also interested in viewing.

    Comment by Intrigued — 26th August 2009 @ 10:40 pm

  138. Hi, this is chris who wrote 135. The reason I work on small £20 amounts is that I want to see the results over one full year across all weathers including flat and jumps. Once I have a years worth of results I will double my stakes or maybe go to £50 maximum. Yes it’s true I could increase it now but sods law would be that the winter months did not perform as well as the summer months and if I had a losing run at higher stakes it would wipe out all the good work done so far. I am also slowly building up a knowledge bank of racing and learning about horses, jockeys, tracks and also hopefully developing the knack of making better interpretations on the more difficult 50/50 graphs. Having listened to all radio commentaries I have a distinct preference for the william hill radio with john budden, ken peterson etc. Must go as the 6.50 kempton just starting.

    Comment by chris — 2nd September 2009 @ 6:36 pm

  139. Intrigued
    If you have read Chris’s comment and are interested give me a call as you will see from other messages my software is for sale which would save you a few hundred quid. 07941396749.

    Comment by Andy B — 3rd September 2009 @ 2:39 pm

  140. Andy B,

    Thanks, but no thanks. I don’t do second hand!

    Chris,

    Thanks for your response. It seems a good way to approach the system. Also thanks for your frank and honest assessment.

    Comment by Intrigued — 4th September 2009 @ 8:21 am

  141. Hey Steve,

    Hope things are ok with you and yours?

    All gone a bit quiet on here. Dare we hope that people are satisfied and making money?

    Jon

    Comment by Jon — 19th September 2009 @ 10:39 am

  142. Hello Jon,

    Great thanks. Nice to hear from you. Hope all is well with you.
    Guess you must be right.
    Just done a spreadsheet review of Mass Index for the last month to date for someone. Selections occuring in strong config races (brown highlighted)had a strike rate of 100% and all A & B selections regardless hit 84.09%.

    Not too bad !!
    Let me know by email (or a call) if you want a copy for your records.

    All the best.
    Steve

    Comment by Steven — 22nd September 2009 @ 9:56 am

  143. just ask what guarantees you have, what cooling off period you have and if you can use EXPORT as a trial before anything else.

    I’ll expect a defensive reation but so what, you cannot con an honest man.

    Comment by CONNED — 28th September 2009 @ 12:13 am

  144. CONNED!!!

    Where have you been?

    I knew that my comment would rattle your cage as you’re so very predictable.

    Only guarantees in life are that you will pay tax, of some description, and you’ll die!!

    Also, if you’re honest then you will know in your heart of hearts that you have deviated from the instructions (simple as they are) and it’s just a case of sour grapes as far as you’re concerned.

    Have fun, and happy winning to all of you who are doing as instructed.

    You should know that CONNED.

    Comment by Jon — 29th September 2009 @ 11:03 am

  145. only guarantees here are that it costs you £4000 to realise that there are no guarantees,and as usual all answers are deflected. Are you an MP on expenses Jon!!!

    Comment by CONNED — 1st October 2009 @ 8:36 pm

  146. Oh dear CONNED, is the side of bed that you get out off tight against the wall so that you have to get out off the wrong side every morning (or whenever it is that you surface)?

    You clearly have a gripe with the system as you haven’t been able to master it. Never mind. Your comments are both funny and bewildering at the same time, so please keep on this blog?

    As reliably informed by Ben Bradshaw MP, on Question Time last evening, MP’s ‘do not have time to read and contribute to blogs’ so that would answer your last question.

    There is one other guarantee in life it seems. That is that you will continue your incessant complaining about all things that you find unfair, blaming anybody else except yourself for your shortcomings, and will continue to contribute to this blog.

    Comment by Jon — 2nd October 2009 @ 12:52 pm

  147. having read alot of this blog i would say that yes jon does work for the company. otherwise why would he use this site to contact them when he surely could contact them direct????

    and conned how and by whom were you conned?did you buy this system, if so what went wrong and why

    Comment by newlooker — 9th October 2009 @ 10:29 am

  148. Newlooker,

    You are wrong.

    Why not use this site to contact the company?

    If you care to notice the date you’ll see that it was a Saturday and, as far as I am aware, only 1 member of staff goes in to work that day.

    Comment by Jon — 10th October 2009 @ 11:41 am

  149. JON
    I think you will find this site is called BizOpps Blog, which in case you didnt know means that people get on here to discuss whether an oppertunity is a good idea or a con. It is not to enquire about the state of your bosses family. I am now firmly convinced that you work for this compant and that any blogs you have left should be firmly ignored.
    Now then conned answer my question please.

    Comment by newlooker — 11th October 2009 @ 4:41 pm

  150. Newlooker,

    You do make me laugh so.

    I didn’t realise that I wasn’t allowed to post whatever letters I like on this site. I bow to your greater knowledge of blog sites but your total ignorance of how a democratic society works!

    Unless the originator of this site asks me to, I shall post whatever messages I choose to whether you approve of them or not.

    Deepest sympathy’s

    Jon

    Comment by Jon — 12th October 2009 @ 12:19 pm

  151. So we can take it that you do work for the company and anything positive you have ever said should be disregarded as biased.

    Comment by newlooker — 20th October 2009 @ 3:40 pm

  152. Having just read some of the more recent blogs I would like to clarify a couple of points raised:

    1) I know who Jon is but I also happen to know he does not work for the company, nor is he rewarded for saying nice things. He is however, a bonafide software owner who uses the system regularly himself. I don’t know why Jon posted his comment to me on this site instead of emailing or calling me but I see no problem with it personally. If detractors who don’t use the system can spout their baseless vitriol on this site, surely someone that actually uses it ought to be allowed comment too?

    2) FYI Newlooker – Any genuinely interested person can have a free, ‘no obligation’ trial. You simply arrange an appointment to visit our offices where you will be shown how to use the system. You then use our live-odds software (Export) on real-time markets and place real bets using our money .. so you can watch the profits as they come in .. just as you would at home.

    Obviously, as you see everything happen in real-time, there is no way, as some would have you believe, anything can be ‘rigged’ or set up. You are under no obligation to buy and can take as long as you wish to think it over. If you like it – you’ll buy it. If you don’t – you won’t.

    Quite simply, this is not for everybody. If you are someone who simply can’t stick to simple guidelines because you always know better – you probably shouldn’t go any further. However, if you think you can – then it may be for you!

    Either way, you would find out when you use it yourself at our offices.

    So, if you would like to try it out yourself the contact details can be found by clicking on my name below.

    Comment by Steven — 20th October 2009 @ 3:53 pm

  153. Newlooker,

    Enough said……….. I bet that you’re one of the people who vote for Jedward each week as well!!

    Comment by Jon — 1st November 2009 @ 8:08 pm

  154. Hi Newlooker,
    I see that you’ve had a good telling off from Steven and Jon, you naughty boy, they really should’nt play to people’s ego’s like that. If you do go to a free trial be careful, their export system is not mentioned in their national advertising, in fact nothing about gambling is mentioned FULL STOP. I expect they do make the money mentioned just by selling the access to this ‘FANTASTIC INFORMATION’ and commissions collected from Betfair and not by BETTING on the races. Ask to see their Betfair account to substantiate their claims of winning,(every transaction they carry out is recorded by Betfair).

    Thats just for starter’s, now watch me get told off like a naughty little boy who has the audacity to tell the Emperor he has no clothes on!!!!

    Comment by CONNED — 3rd November 2009 @ 9:59 am

  155. Conned

    after reading this site I wouldnt trust either one of them.
    Jon
    who is Jedward am I missing something

    Comment by newlooker — 4th November 2009 @ 2:12 pm

  156. Newlooker,

    Only you know the answer to that one!

    Comment by Jon — 5th November 2009 @ 1:17 pm

  157. Hi guys recently bought the software n in the office it seemed to run ok n was fairly impressed with it and there sales tech ique until I tried it at home n it is really a pe of crap. I set up this new email address and I’m willng to email an attachement giving the software away for free should anyone want it!

    [Addition by Ben: Obviously messages aren’t going to be passed on as this person does not have any right to give the software away]

    Comment by Giving it away! — 28th November 2009 @ 9:42 am

  158. Looks like someone is trying to harvest email addresses!!!

    The software cannot be copied and it will not run without a unique security key (dongle) attached to the PC.

    Be aware, the comment below (157) was obviously not written by any genuine system owner.

    No negative comment has ever been written by anyone using VSRX. The only comments that have appeared on here from people that actually own and operate VSRX have all been positive.

    Anyone wishing to find out about VSRX for themselves is welcome to try it out for free at our offices – in real-time .. on real markets, using our money and watch the profits as they come in. Some people try it out all afternoon!!

    Everyone is given time to go away and think it over if they wish, before making any decisions.

    If you would arrange a free ‘no obligation’ trial for yourself (and a guest) just click on the name below to get contact details ..

    Comment by Steven — 30th November 2009 @ 5:44 pm

  159. HAS ANYONE SEEN THEIR BETFAIR ACCOUNT AT THE FREE TRIAL YET. LOOKS LIKE THEY’VE GONE QUIET ON THAT ONE, IT’S THE ONE THING THAT WOULD SUBSTANTIATE EVERYTHING THEY CLAIM TO BE.

    Comment by CONNED — 12th January 2010 @ 9:16 am

  160. As mentioned previously .. anyone taking a FREE trial of the VSRX system is shown how to use it .. then they use it themselves – using OUR MONEY … IN REAL-TIME on REAL MARKETS .. and watch the profits AS THEY COME IN.

    Then they can go away and think it over .. or come back and use the system again and watch the profits come in before deciding whether to buy or not.

    We do not offer to show our personal trading accounts for several reasons amongst which:

    1) Account reports can be easily manufactured to show any
    figures you wish
    2) Our own trading is often interrupted due to either
    demonstrating to new users or providing technical support to
    existing users
    3) They are personal accounts – companies cannot bet company
    funds

    Instead .. any enquirer can use the system all afternoon and see real profits as they are made.

    Strangely, the only negative comments on this blog are from ‘people’ who DO NOT have the VSRX system! Sour grapes? I think so!

    I have no doubt, dear reader, that you, like any intelligent person, are perfectly capable of carrying out your own evaluation and making up your own mind. With that in mind, and if you are a genuine enquirer, you are invited to try it out yourself for free and without obligation. Just click on the ‘Steven’ below to get contact details and further information.

    Comment by Steven — 20th January 2010 @ 3:04 pm

  161. I see that you are not willing to PROVE to your potential customers the one thing that would validate everything you claim to be. It is now obvious what charlatans and confidence tricksters I believe you to be.
    I also see that something else has changed in your business model. WHY change if everything is as you say?????.
    I will do my upmost to warn people of “salesmen” like yourselves who cannot,given the chance, to prove for once and for all the unsubstantiated claims that you make.
    I will also be looking at the way you advertise yourselves to advise other people. Good luck.

    Comment by conned — 24th January 2010 @ 10:31 am

  162. Conned,

    Happy New Year to you.

    Mate you are incredibly dense/stupid or just plain argumentative.
    Just go along to a presentation and see for yourself!

    I just dont see how you are able to comment on this blog at all if you haven’t either bought the system or been to meet Steve and/or Barry.

    It seems to me that you have bought, but not stuck to the guidelines. If so then you only have yourself to blame.

    You should stop this crusade/vendetta and get a life.

    Comment by Jon — 25th January 2010 @ 1:22 pm

  163. I think EVEN you, whoever,whatever you are,even in your most defensive and arrogant manner should surely agree,that the claims that Barry and company make about EQUITRACK VSR-X,EQUINEX VSR-X,EXPORT could very easily be totally and unreservedly substantiated by proof of making these bets and returns by showing their PROFIT AND LOSS on the Betfair account where this fantastic system is used, or DON’T they make the bets they claim to.

    I rest my case m’lud.

    Comment by CONNED — 1st February 2010 @ 8:43 am

  164. Good day to you CONNED,

    Didn’t realise that you were a barrister?

    A response to that would be, as soon as you open up your bank accounts/ statements to then, then I am sure that they would be happy to disclose the aforementioned information.

    Of course for you to do that would mean that you would have to declare who you are. Then we would see that my previous point is correct, and that you are simply an owner of the software who has not followed the guidelines set out to you when you purchased it!

    I await your reply with interest, to see as to whether you are happy to agree to this.

    Comment by Jon — 1st February 2010 @ 2:21 pm

  165. What the hell is it to you who I am. Who do you think you are, trying to defend this bunch of deflecting salesmen. Like I said if I can warn at least one person of their impending fate with this ever changing outfit, then I will be more than happy regardless of who or what you are.

    Comment by CONNED — 1st February 2010 @ 10:18 pm

  166. Tut Tut CONNED.

    Am I a bit close to the truth here?

    Must have caught you on a losing run, if the profanities are anything to go by?

    Maybe you should use the system correctly, as you were shown, on your visit?

    Comment by Jon — 2nd February 2010 @ 12:43 pm

  167. Jon,
    I’ve been following this discussion for quite some time with a slightly vested interest. Can I take it that, as you’ve been using the system for a while now, you’ve mastered it and that your results and returns reflect those that the company claim to acheive on their website?

    Comment by david — 5th February 2010 @ 5:14 pm

  168. Hi David,

    There are the occasional blips as the timing of the screenshot can be slightly different as can the reading of where ‘the real money started to come in’ for where you watch the trend from.

    That said I would say that, according to my statistics, in around 95% of cases I have agreed with the stats given the next day.

    All I can say is trial it on a paper basis until you agree with the pattern of results as per the claims

    Comment by Jon — 7th February 2010 @ 7:13 pm

  169. I like the Jon/David scenario, brilliant!!!

    Comment by conned — 21st February 2010 @ 12:01 pm

  170. David if you are interesred in buying the system I will sell you mine for a fair price. It is a lifetime software so you will still get all the support from Steven. He has agreed to this if you are interested call me on 07941396749 afternoons only please.
    Andy b

    [Addition by Ben: I’ve approved this comment Andy but are you sure you want your phone number posted on here? I can remove it if you want me to, just let me know]

    Comment by Andy Birch — 2nd March 2010 @ 5:00 pm

  171. Hi Andy
    Thanks for offer but, I think similar to yourself, I bought it about 3 years ago!

    Comment by david — 5th March 2010 @ 10:58 am

  172. Hi David, If you already own the software why not call and arrange to come and see what we discovered? I think you’ll be pretty impressed with the profits its making every week.

    We will teach you how to do it yourself then let you use our money in real markets so you can watch the profits as they come in just as you can at home!

    Comment by Steven — 11th March 2010 @ 6:25 pm

  173. I made initial enquiries into the VSR-X with the Equinex company following their advertisements from the beginning of this year. Had a quick chat with Barry, received the info pack, was seriously considering taking a “free trial” and, tho’ a long treck from the North, if I’d have felt more confident that a 2hr session would have been sufficient to master the system wouldn’t have minded the journey and paying the purchase costs. As most people, I can’t afford to lose £4000. I’m not a dum-dum but certain things can take me longer to grasp than others, at that cost I’d need someone to hold my hand and properly teach me the skills to utilise it successfully/profitably however easy the info claims it to be. After all…. overcoming the fears of something strange or new outside our usual comfort zone requires being sufficiently educated in it and developing the necessary new skills in order to expand/extend that comfort zone and become proficient and therefore successful, but that also depends on whether it’s the RIGHT OPPORTUNITY and viable in the first place of course otherwise you’d be flogging a dead horse!
    I came across the Bizoppsuk site along with other scam exposure sites whilst looking into various other opps, doing what due diligence you can do without the full information if you’re a bit sceptical, suspicious, sensible, whatever you want to call it. Anyway all these VSR-X blogs put me off arranging and travelling down all that way for a free trial.
    I have taken note of all the unsuccessful stories as well as the successful, but I can’t help wondering whether there may be a large number of people out there who bought the system with confidence i.e. unquestioningly, without checking it out on sites of this kind and ARE having SUCCESS with it and therefore WOULDN’T have any REASON to be looking at a site of this kind!! Would they!! Unless like Jon, they appear to be faithful subscribers, constantly keeping their eyes open for extra and alternative successful biz opps as I guess true entrepreneurs must do (have eggs in a few different baskets) and prepared to share successful results with other fellows??! In which case…am I missing or have I missed out on a really good opp??!

    So….ALL that said I’d be most grateful to hear from those people from earlier comments who DID BUY AND WERE HAVING SUCCESS WITH IT BACK THEN, WHETHER (hopefully for them) THEY’RE STILL HAVING SUCCESS WITH IT?? Particularly:-

    Chris from comments 135, 138 Aug/Sept 2009. – I liked your genuine sounding response and your careful approach. Still having success?? Even through your Winter trial??

    Jon – Are you still having success and how much training/ instruction did you undergo. And do I presume you are using it combined with the Export and Live-odds + data services??

    Wilpy and Mags comments 10 and 13 May 24 2008, Aug 13 2008 – Did either of you go for it? If so how are you doing with it??

    ‘Giving it away’ comment 157, Nov 28 2009 – You said you experienced it successfully working at the company offices but NOT when you set it up at home. Did you not chase that up with the company for their help to sort it before giving up on it? Or did you and they weren’t any help and therefore then gave up on it??

    Brian comment 21, Jan 6 2009. Trialed 2 yrs before but “not impressed” (CONVINCED?), had another look (WHY?) + trialed again 18mths later, still not impressed BUT DID BUY after all that even. What went wrong?? and has it since been successful??

    Are there any people out there who have genuinely been making and still making a success i.e. a regular income from this system, recently or longer term?? If so, please respond, but I request none of the previous “MALE BITCHING” thanks.
    Kind Regards
    Delly

    Comment by Delly — 22nd March 2010 @ 10:30 pm

  174. Hi Delly,

    I think scepticism can be a healthy thing but it shouldn’t get in the way of you checking something out for yourself.

    As you’ve noticed, the only negatives on this blog seem to come from people that have not used VSRX and the only positives are from people that have used it. It is a fact (and would probably remain true for you too) that most people using it and making money with it do not feel the urge to start blogging to tell everyone else.

    While third-party feedback can be comforting I still think there is no substitute for seeing it yourself in real-time. There can be no hoodwinking or self-interested bias with that.

    As you seem to be genuinely interested and are simply looking for more information, would you like a free trial on your own PC at home? There is no risk to you and it would enable you to see exactly what goes on.

    If you would like to call the office (obviously you have the number) and mention your comment on this blog, we will arrange a live-odds software download and temporary password access for you. This would enable us to go over live trades on the phone with you while they’re running on your PC, in real-time.

    That way, Delly, you would be able to see it all happen, as it happens, without having to make a trip first. If you like what you see, I have no doubt you’ll want to make the trip and examine it further. All you have to do is call, provide your details (which will match with our database) and ask for a Home Trial.

    Comment by Steven — 23rd March 2010 @ 2:58 pm

  175. Hi Delli
    If you take Steven up om his offer the freedouwnload to try for your self and you like what you see my copy of the software is for sale. I would let you have it a good price to save you money and it will not affect your status with equinex, |Steven has agreed to this.

    Comment by Andy Birch — 23rd March 2010 @ 5:31 pm

  176. Hi Steve
    Appreciate your response, take note of and thank you for your offer.For the moment I am seeking and waiting for independent responses particularly from any of the previous respondents/users that I have listed in my previous comment 173 &/or current successful users of the product, hence me placing this blog as opposed to contacting the company directly. Anyone??
    Delly

    Comment by Delly — 25th March 2010 @ 3:09 pm

  177. Good Evening Delly,

    I’ve read your blog and am glad to correspond with somebody who appears to think logically.

    If you leave a note on here as to what you wish to know from me specifically then I will be more than happy to answer any questions that you may have.

    Comment by Jon — 26th March 2010 @ 7:26 pm

  178. Hi Jon –
    I’m seeking independent responses particularly from any of the previous respondents/users that I have listed in my previous comment 173 &/or current successful users of the product, hence me placing this blog as opposed to contacting the company directly.

    Are you still having success and how much training/ instruction did you undergo. And do I presume you are using it combined with the Export and Live-odds + data services??

    Comment by Delly — 28th March 2010 @ 4:42 pm

  179. Hi Delly,

    Apologies for not responding sooner but I have had a number of little problems to sort out.

    Ok, where do I start? Probably the beginning is best. You have no doubt read my comments regarding this system. Early days when it was win/place depending on the recommendations was fraught. Some of it down to the system and some down to me deviating from what I had been shown when I attended a presentation.

    I paper trailed for a while then early last year started using the system again when I saw that the results that I was recording were very similar to those published on the site.

    As i have previously stated I do get anomalies, which I put down to the timing of the screenshot but these are few and far between.

    What I like about this outfit is that they are contactable and respond to queries, whether by phone or e mail, very quickly. They are also looking to improve the system all the time and are a company of evolution. They could just as easily sit back, collect the monthly fees and their commissions from Betfair and leave it at that. The biggest factor in that is that the more their clients win using the system then the bigger the commission payment is that they receive from Betfair. So it’s in their interest to give as good as information as they can for you to win.

    With everything like this, they can only put you in the best informed position for you to make a decision. What you then do is up to you!

    I hope that answers your query Delly. If not then please put some specific questions on here and I’ll be happy to respond.

    Regards

    Jon

    Comment by Jon — 5th April 2010 @ 7:23 pm

  180. Thanks Jon
    Do I presume you are using it combined with the Export and Live-odds + data services??
    Regards

    Comment by Delly — 7th April 2010 @ 12:19 pm

  181. Hi Delly,

    Yes, that’s right mate. Any other questions just feel free to ask

    Comment by Jon — 8th April 2010 @ 3:10 pm

  182. Any other results/comments from users referred to in my request 173?? eg.
    Chris from comments 135, 138 Aug/Sept 2009. – I liked your genuine sounding response and your careful approach. Still having success?? Even through your Winter trial??

    Wilpy and Mags comments 10 and 13 May 24 2008, Aug 13 2008 – Did either of you go for it? If so how are you doing with it??

    Brian comment 21, Jan 6 2009. Trialed 2 yrs before but “not impressed” not CONVINCED?, had another look (WHY?) + trialed again 18mths later, still not impressed BUT DID BUY after all that even. What went wrong?? and has it since been successful??

    ‘Giving it away’ comment 157, Nov 28 2009 – You said you experienced it successfully working at the company offices but NOT when you set it up at home. Did you not chase that up with the company for their help to sort it before giving up on it? Or did you and they weren’t any help and therefore then gave up on it??

    Much appreciated

    Comment by Delly — 9th April 2010 @ 11:59 am

  183. Sorry for the delay have had computer problems and too much work. Please Call Steve and he will confirm that my software is Ok and that you will be OK on all counts. I will give you a good price and am quite happy for you to call me 07941396749 between 4-5 pm mon-fri.

    Comment by andy b — 13th April 2010 @ 1:29 pm

  184. I am talking investors here, not ‘punters’ desperately trying to beat the bookmakers !!!

    I have the best system of all, created by a leading bookmaker. Save your £3500 + VAT and join me, you’ll kick yourself after a week wishing you had joined before. Make £1K-5K per week, amount is upto you. We do all the work; choose the horses, place the bets and send you a cheque each month less 5% Betfair charges and our management charge.. NOTHING COULD BE SAFER OR SIMPLER.. no upfront fees.. you can get on with your job and leave us to do the work !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Comment by Alfred Gardiner — 21st April 2010 @ 4:27 pm

  185. Contact me by phone with your email address. [phone number removed], It will be the best phone call you’ve ever made !

    Comment by Alfred Gardiner — 21st April 2010 @ 4:28 pm

  186. Alfred,

    Intriguing note or two.

    Excuse my cynicism but, if this is so good, why are you even bothering to include others in this when you can just use it yourself?

    All the hassle that you give yourself, although covered by your management fees, is surley not worth it when you can pocket £1k-£5k a week anyway.

    If you have to pay the ‘leading bookmaker’ a fee for you to use it, so what?

    And, if it’s so good, why is he/she still a bookmaker and not marketing this him/herself?

    Surely the more people that use the system then the more the odds will be reduced on said selections.

    Usually, when something sounds too good to be true, it usually is!

    Sorry to sound sceptical. The ball is in your court.

    Also why do you limit the returns to £5k when, surely, they are unlimited?

    Comment by David — 23rd April 2010 @ 12:52 pm

  187. Message to David… your comments on 23rd April are quite normal but you haven’t understood how I work. I suggest you email me and I’ll send you my results over the last six months…… you won’t be cynical after reading them I am sure !!!

    Best of luck.. have the courage to email me !

    Comment by Alfred Gardiner — 11th May 2010 @ 5:16 pm

  188. I started off with a modest ‘bank ‘ of £5000 and made £1250-1750 per month on a regular consistent basis, tax free, all worked by computer. I’ve now upped my bank, but I still use the same system and it is NOT EQUINEX !!! I don’t have to phone a tipster up everyday, or buy newspapers everyday, study them and worry which horse to pick and how much to put on them… I have a ‘Managed Racing Account’, all handled by the computer through my account with BETFAIR, I either get a cheque off them at the end of each month or add my winnings to my bank.. it has worked fine for 8 months

    Email me and I’ll share the good news with you.

    [Addition by Ben: Better yet, you could go and get a website and advertise in the usual way…]

    Comment by Alfred Gardiner — 11th May 2010 @ 5:28 pm

  189. Alfred you say to e:mail you and you’ll share the good news…….but no e:mail address?

    Comment by Bob — 12th May 2010 @ 11:06 am

  190. TO BRIAN, RICHARD AND CONNED. AND ANYONE ELSE

    HOW HAS YOUR MISSION FARED. I HAVE BOUGHT ‘THE SYSTEM’ AWHILE AGO AND SO FAR SO BAD. EVEN STICKING TO THE RULES FOR METHOD ONE I HAVE LOST A FEW HUNDRED POUNDS APART FROM THE INITIAL INVESTMENT PLUS THE FEE FOR DAILY USE.

    IS ANYONE OUT THERE HAPPY?

    Comment by JACOB — 14th May 2010 @ 1:41 am

  191. Jacob?

    Having searched our client database and been unable to find a Jacob ****** I can only assume that is not your real name.

    I have read very positive comments on this blog from genuine customers and they all seem to give their real names. Strangely, only negative comments seem to come from ‘bloggers’ using pseudonyms!

    If, by any chance you are a genuine software owner, please contact us right away so we can help you. If you are not doing well with this system, as so many are, you must be doing something wrong and we will work with you to correct it.

    Don’t be shy in coming forward. We will gladly provide office time to clear up any mis-understanding and get you back on track.

    By back on track, I mean VSRX profit is £596 so far this week and is already at £10,048 so far this year at £100 level stakes.

    Obviously, if you are a genuine VSR software owner and VSRX user you would already know these proven figures are true,

    Only yesterday, I went through the ratings with two new VSR owners teaching them how to ‘highlight’ individual selections. The selections produced by it made another £710 at £100 level stakes. I would be very happy to teach you how to do that yourself.

    All you have to do is call and speak to me and I will arrange it for you!

    As for the comment “is anyone out there happy?” It doesn’t take much working out to realise that as we’ve been in this business, at the same address since 1998 – if the vast majority of people weren’t happy, this blog would be full of 100’s of people with their comments instead of 100’s of comments from the same few.

    Comment by Steven — 14th May 2010 @ 11:56 am

  192. Correction: I missed a section on my spreadsheet. That should read “By back on track, I mean VSRX profit is £596 so far this week and is already at £12,627.50 so far this year at £100 level stakes”.

    Comment by Steven — 14th May 2010 @ 2:17 pm

  193. Hi Steve,

    Regarding your comment to Jacob on the 14th May you quote:

    “Only yesterday, I went through the ratings with two new VSR owners teaching them how to ‘highlight’ individual selections. The selections produced by it made another £710 at £100 level stakes. I would be very happy to teach you how to do that yourself.”

    This looks impressive. Can you prove this comment on this forum without saying, pls ring me and I will show you, or words to that effect.

    You appear to be very convincing with your responses on this blog, however, to be truethful, you seam to be rather evasive of giving direct answers.

    Should you be more direct and open with the above quote, I may be interested in contacting you.

    Comment by Outofinterest — 17th May 2010 @ 6:17 pm

  194. Hi “Outofinterest”,

    The previously mentioned profit of £710 came from place bets on the following selections which were all identified from our ratings around 12:30 on the day:

    Time Track Saddle/C Horse Result Place P&L
    02:40 YORK 2 CHA L -£100.00
    03:10 YORK 8 BN 3rd 13/2 £182.00
    03:45 YORK 7 DD 3rd 9/2 £97.00
    04:45 SALI 3 RM w 10/3 £92.00
    05:25 LUDL 1 SBNB L -£100.00
    06:30 LUDL 10 TP w 10/1 £205.00
    08:00 NEWM 2 QUA w 9/4 £80.00
    08:10 LUDL 2 ANQ 2nd £38.00
    08:30 NEWM 7 TF w 8/1 £216.00

    I did try pasting an excerpt from my account to show the selections along with odds and bet ID’s but the blog page format will not allow that.

    When checking my account I found that there had been a reduction factor of 47.74% on the payout for ANQ in the 8.10 Ludlow (probably due to a withdrawn horse) which reduced the payout to just £24 on that one. So, the days total per level £100 stakes was reduced by £14 as a result of this.

    If you wish, you can click on my name below this posting and that will open a website page where you will find our contact details on the left-hand menu. If you use the General Enquiries email address and address your request for more information to me (mentioning your blog) I will happily send you a copy of the original VSR Ratings spreadsheet already marked up with the full explanation of how they were selected.

    Hope that helps!

    Comment by Steven — 20th May 2010 @ 10:10 am

  195. having tried this system, it dosent work,you need a 4/1 win ratio to make any real money, they dont admit to all there loses, saying that horse tiped up at the last second. dont do it, keep your money. skipper

    Comment by skipper — 1st June 2010 @ 10:29 am

  196. Anyone seriously interested in this system is allowed to try it for free using our money on real markets in real-time. If there were any losers, you would see them just as you see the profits from winners .. as they come in!

    A lot of people are using the same system very successfully. As mentioned by a previous blogger that actually uses VSRX … you just have to stick to the simple guidelines.

    Comment by Steven — 8th June 2010 @ 9:48 am

  197. Just a short note to those doubters.

    Try it then you will buy it.

    Read all my previous comments regarding this as they are clear and concise.

    This does work and I am proud to recommend to anybody

    Comment by Jon — 18th June 2010 @ 2:38 pm

  198. Steven
    Why not convince all the doubters by buying my copy back as you know I do not have the time any more to use it. This would convince everyone of your sincerity.

    Comment by andy b — 21st June 2010 @ 1:52 pm

  199. I have been using the system a few months. i’m working on the grey areas and have found steve very helpful.I’m still getting more losses and less wins than Equinex but I’m hoping through practice that will turn around. I think some of the guys on this are not sticking to the guidelines aand basically just betting.
    I haven’t had any losing weeks for a while now but profits a bit poor for the reasons I gave.

    Comment by richard — 21st June 2010 @ 10:32 pm

  200. I have got to say guys some patience and a lot of help from Steve has paid off this week. I may have had 2 poor weeks before this week but this week I have banked nearly £1,000. Thursday was particularly good. I can’t thank Steve enough for his patience with me.

    Comment by richard — 25th June 2010 @ 10:57 pm

  201. H1 Richard,

    Re: your comments 199 and 200

    In your comment 199 you describe yourself (as I understand) as a fairly newcommer to “Equinex”. As you quote “profits a bit poor”.

    However, in your comment 200 you quote having a miraculous recovery. You have banked almost £1000 in that week – when Equinex declare to have made only £1238! – Surely, they have more experience than newcommers and to achieve almost their amount is outstanding. Can I pass on my congratulations to you.

    Seems wonderful! Some questions – are your bets like-for-like with Equinex at £100.00. The answer to this can give me some guidance as to your success compared to Equinex last week.

    As you have now commented on your success over the past weeks could you update us on your achievements with the system following your nearly £1000.00 banking.

    A reply would be much appreciated!

    Comment by Outofinterest — 6th July 2010 @ 6:17 pm

  202. Yes my bets are 100 a time. Though I practiced with lesser amounts for at least a month.
    Its not really a miraculous recovery it was just a good week.
    I cant seem to get the figures exactly every week that Equinex get, they say that certain factors like broadband speed etc can affect this, also Im not totally sure I am reading the graghs right yet.
    So I am going back to see them and I have upgraded my broadband speed.
    The problem is that it can be a split second decision whether to back a horse or not so all the factors have to be correct.
    I havent really had a losing week as I said but a lot of days can produce very little or a lose. I am positive that with experience it will get better

    Comment by richard — 6th July 2010 @ 8:36 pm

  203. Outofinterest, have you bought the system? You seem to know the profit figures for that week. You should speak to Steve if you are finding its not going well for you he couldnt be more helpful. I was delighted with the profit that week but my results are not consistent with theirs, thats why I am going back to find out what I am doing wrong. Its impossible to get exactly their results but I would like closer. I got close that week but most weeks Im getting a few hundred profit at the most. Its worth persisting and not giving up, there arent many ways of earning this money for 3 or 4 hours a day

    Comment by richard — 7th July 2010 @ 9:49 am

  204. the answer to your question about how it has been going since is about 250 profit last week. thats everyday doing 100 bets. Im not doing something right to be this far out from equinex

    Comment by richard — 7th July 2010 @ 12:17 pm

  205. Richard, how’s it goimg now? Are your figures much the same as Equinex yet. The system seems so ambiguous to me that losers could be construed as winners (i.e graph flicking up at last milli second etc) BUT also vice versa, so surely on that basis not only would you have weeks when your figures are down compared to theirs but you would also have weeks when your figures are better than theirs. Bet you haven’t though! If the idea behind this system was solid there would be no need to re-mortgage your house to buy it anyway, just follow the graphs of the top three in the betting on Betfair and apply the same principles? Would LOVE to hear from anybody who can HONESTLY say that their figures match (or are even close) to those that Equitrack/Equinex publish. Any takers?

    Comment by David — 16th July 2010 @ 9:44 am

  206. i cant really comment at the moment because im working with them on improving what i have been doing but im interested in how far you (david) and outofinterest have went. Did you do the trial? Buy the system? Surely if it was a scam a company wouldn’t last 11 years in the same place and be registered as a company? Wouldn’t this be full of people who had bought it and were disatisfied? And aren’t those that would be satisfied uninterested in looking at these sites? just a thought

    Comment by richard — 18th July 2010 @ 9:20 am

  207. I have been looking at equinex for some time now and notice on this blog Jon,and Richard seem to be having some success could you kindly ring me on 07854476429 for a quick chat. Eric.

    Comment by Eric — 20th July 2010 @ 10:39 am

  208. Replying to Richard, comment 206.
    I bought the system in May 2007 for £4995 + VAT. Back then I bought into a win/place system which seemed VERY impressive and had published fantastic results in previous years. The cold harsh reality of that system is that it didn’t work for me. At the time Barry used to tell me that it was down to that abnormal weather that year (it did rain a bit) and that results would improve. They didn’t improve and this was put down to the Clerks of some courses not giving a correct description of the “Going” so that their meetings weren’t rained off (quite possible).
    I was then advised to use the “Ratings” for a Win/No lose method (Trading basically). When this method failed to produce any significant results I was advised to try Dutching. More losses.
    Don’t get me wrong, I did have some good days using all of these methods but ultimately they all ended with heavy losses.
    If you include the price of the system, I finally cut my losses at circa £15,000.
    I have since looked at this new variant on how the “Ratings” should be used, on a free trial. But even when I studied the published results, I have to be honest and say that all too often, on losing bets, it was far too ambiguous for me. Very often a bet, which I saw as exactly matching the supposed criteria, lost; but oddly enough, it never seemed to be the other way round.
    Richard, if you are making Circa £200 a week using £100 stakes you’re only a few bets away from disaster so beware.
    It may be that this new method of using the “Ratings” is genuinely successful, I can only tell you about my expeience. If anybody out there is inclined to buy the system I still have mine and would be happy to sell it to them at a vastly discounted offer ( Anyone interested please initially contact me on this page).
    I think that I was probably easily sold, believing that I had the answer to my dreams; however I eneded up £15,000 out of pocket and a lot of reasons/excuses from Barry.
    I haven’t studied this new stystem enough make a final judgement but from what I’ve seen, because the guidelines are so far apart, any losses can be attributed to the users interpretation of the graphs. Too much margin for error, too much scope for ploughing on regardless and losing your shirt!
    I’d STILL be intersested to hear from anyone that has acheived similar results to those that the Company publish?? Still no takers?

    Comment by David — 22nd July 2010 @ 1:14 pm

  209. Hi David,

    Barry has been away from the office since the end of June and apart from 3 days since then, I have sat with a new customer daily teaching them how to use the system.

    We have then sat together throughout the afternoons identifying selections together, strictly according to the printed guidelines, then fired money into the markets and steadily made money together in real-time using the system.

    I am sure you would accept a ‘lucky’ day or two could be explained away but this level of consistency would simply not be possible if it was ambiguous.

    Could it perhaps be that something was missing from the original explanation you were given or the need to stick implicitly to the guidelines had not been conveyed to you strongly enough?

    If so, you are welcome to call and fix a meeting date at our office and I will gladly run through it with you and trade live markets with you too.

    Comment by Steven — 24th July 2010 @ 10:28 am

  210. Fair enough Steve, I’ll give you a ring when I know my diary over the next few weeks.

    Comment by David — 27th July 2010 @ 10:59 am

  211. Hello to everyone.

    My name is Barry and I would like to point out that my surname is not Shepard and I do not work for Equinex. The reason I am submiting this is because I was talking to Steven yesterday saying how I was close to matching their results but not exactly matching them. He explained why it was unlikely to match exactly due to internet speeds ect. I then said how everyone using this system must be delighted with it and he told me about this blog.

    I have been using the VRSX system since december last year. After a couple of weeks of not placing money but recording my results and comparing them to the posted results I was a little bit off the published results. I called the office and Barry Shepard asked me a couple of questions and then offered some advice which put me right and now I am making a good profit every week. I take my own screen shots and compare it to theirs and its amazing how often they match or are exstemely close. When they don’t it could just be me being a second quicker or slower than them. I have found by doing this it is easy to see when I get it wrong and why – which is not very often now. I generaly make around their published results but do not expect to match it exactly. I use £100 stakes and try to follow the guidelines exactly.

    I cannot understand anyones reluctance to go to the office and take up the free trial using their money. What have you got to lose? Nothing! They have been at that address for years so are not fly by nights.

    Finaly any company/product that does not evolve with time will stagnate and die so I am more than happy to hear they constantly look at their product and look to improve it.

    I agree with the sentiment that anyone knocking this system is either competition or someone that has bought it and does not understand it in which case they should call them and get their issues resolved.

    Comment by Barry — 19th August 2010 @ 11:18 am

  212. hi barry,
    Congratulations if you have been able to make this system work I think you must be the first contributor on this site that has had any success.
    I have been on a trial with Equinex and tried the free home trial and found the results came no where near theirs even by following their guidelines.
    I decided to give another free trial a go and methodically sticking to their guidelines I once again found the graghs ambigious and at the end of the week came no where near their results very often getting at least 10 wins less than them but for some reason always getting their losses.
    It would help if you published your number for verification because with so many people not having success on this blog you are very much an exception

    Comment by itdontwork — 22nd August 2010 @ 6:46 am

  213. I too have had no success with the trials. I’m put off by guys on this blog who have failed and are being refused refunds. It’s a lot of money to risk and no gaurantees.
    I too would like to call Barry. Sorry to appear cynical but his style of writing is very similar to Stevens!

    Comment by Enquirer — 22nd August 2010 @ 2:33 pm

  214. Hello Barry, I am delighted you seem to be making the system work for you,would you kindly phone me on 07854476429 for a chat, Eric.

    Comment by E Whittaker — 22nd August 2010 @ 9:01 pm

  215. Seems strange by the way barry that it took you 10 months to question why your results were not exactly the same as Equinex. I found it very strange that my losses ALWAYS mirrored theirs but not their wins. Very often as many as 10 less a week which would put you in a no profit week.
    Sorry if it appears cynical but no one on this blog has appeared as confident as you yet that this system works and your style of writing is very similar to Stevens.
    How have Richard and David got on? Any updates?
    I’m sure you wouldn’t mind Barry a few people calling you or if they left their number on this for you to call? It would be very helpful in spending so much money to get another persons view who can make this work.

    Comment by itdontwork — 22nd August 2010 @ 10:07 pm

  216. Where do we begin.I am sick of the half wits that write on this site.
    So what i am going to do is give everyone an idiots guide to how this works.
    1.Do not invest your money in maidens.
    2.Stick to races 8 to 12 runners
    3.Only bet on races with a massive downward trend.
    4.you are being given the ability to see late money or money in the know comming into a race at the last minute.
    5.You have an edge most people dont.Learn these things and you will do well
    6.Use bolds arrows and ratings of the horses.The overall rating of a horse will be better in a higher quitilty race.
    7.Most importantly patience is a virtue

    Comment by ARCH — 22nd August 2010 @ 10:36 pm

  217. I read this with some disbelief.

    Read my previous notes and see what I have to say please.

    The last contributor sums up what we are feeling. By ‘we’ I refer to those who use the system and profit from it on a regular basis.

    Comment by Jon — 23rd August 2010 @ 2:10 pm

  218. You arent the only one thats experiencing disbelief Jon.
    From people who feel so strongly it seems hard not to conclude that the opinions come from within Equinex.
    That being the case ARCH now gives guidelines which are not the guidelines of Equinex!!
    “Do not invest your money in maidens”. Maidens are included in Equinex ratings and next day screenshots are they not?
    “Stick to races 8-12 runners”. In their guidelines on method 1 all races up 8 and 13 horses racings qualify and once again are in their next day reports and profits.
    “Only bet on races with a massive downturn”. On my trial I was told by Steven that the gragh line only had to be below where the money came in and ticked downward one minute before the off. No mention of a massive downturn.
    It’s more of the same ambiguity. It’s helped me decide anyway on another trial not to waste my time or money

    Comment by Itdontwork — 23rd August 2010 @ 3:38 pm

  219. Maybe ARCH’s guide is based on adapting a format?

    The product has evolved from inception as it’s in everybody’s interest to produce successful returns.

    It would appear that ARCH has simply used his brain and studied what is and has been happening therefore finding a positive pattern

    If so, then well done to him!

    Comment by Jon — 24th August 2010 @ 12:30 pm

  220. I do not intend leaving comments on a regular basis as I only intended my last previous post as encouragement for those who were being hesitant or who had bought the system and were struggling with it. Steven emailed me to say that there had been a few posts since mine and asked me not to call anyone who has issues and to ask them to call the office instead.

    The post by Arch makes a lot of sense, bear in mind that an 8 runner or more race that drops below 8 runners will still allow us 3 places on betfair which can only increase the chances of winning, even if the odds will be a bit shorter. If those rules work for Arch why won’t they work for you?

    The one thing that I would suggest to anyone who has the system is to speak to Steve regarding synchronizing your computers clock and taking your own screen shots at the giudeline decision time when they take theirs. Then save the screen shot and compare it to theirs the next day. If they compare you will then be able to make your decisions with confidence. If they don’t compare you need to talk to the office to work out why. This is what changed my results from being acceptable to being close to theirs. Once again, and for the last time call the office and speak to Steven.

    Finally I am not Steven or Barry Shepard as has been implied and am not an emplyee of Equinex.

    Comment by Barry — 24th August 2010 @ 12:48 pm

  221. Ok jon so what you are saying then is follows ARCHs guidelines and not Equinex’s? Both are not the same as I have outlined? And what profits can be expected compared to Equinex? All seems strange when Equinex keep going on about sticking to their guidelines so much. Not very inspiring

    Comment by Itdontwork — 24th August 2010 @ 3:43 pm

  222. itdontwork;
    itdontwork for you as youdontfollow;
    If youdidfollow then maybe, just maybe, itwouldworkforyou!!

    Comment by Jon — 25th August 2010 @ 4:10 pm

  223. Funny but a policians evasive answer to my questions! Save your time I’ve seen and heard enough. This may suit someone who is happy enough to throw money at something that isn’t transparent but has vague and forever changing guidesline but not me

    Comment by Itdontwork — 25th August 2010 @ 11:18 pm

  224. Jon, if you think you are helping Steve/Barry etc by posting smug, patronising and sanctamonious comments, like the one below, to other prospective contributors, you are very wrong. You’re embarressing yourself by being so rude. “Idontwork” has trialled the system and is more than entitled to puplicise his results ESPESCIALLY when the cost of this business opportunity is not only the initial £4500 (or so) and the ongoing £70 per month, but also the potential to incur massive losses. I think anybody that is interested in this system would certainly want to hear any negative feedback as well as any positive before they commit to that kind of money (and time!).
    If you read my comment 208 you will find FACTS! I did buy the system and I did lose a considerable amount of money. That is a FACT. Now I’m not saying that the system hasn’t been improved and is making money – it may well be, but I really don’t have the time to sit and monitor a computer all day to find ouy one way or another. BUT prospective buyers should be made aware of ant pitfalls before they commit, don’t you agree?

    Comment by David — 26th August 2010 @ 12:47 pm

  225. Well said David.
    I’m not at all convinced that these contributors are not Steve/Barry as I experienced the sort of descriptions you describe like patronising comments from them.
    And if Jon feels so strongly and is so convinced this works why he is he so reluctant to speak to anyone and share the good news.
    I have had a lot of experience with franchising and researching franchises and have always found franchisee’s very keen to speak to prospective new comers and share their experiences on the telephone.
    But not with this, not even from ones like Jon who are feel strongly and are presumibly wildly enthusiastic.
    Equinex say that their users who are having success do not want to discuss it because betting is secret or stigmatised. I don’t accept that. How could speaking on the telephone reveal your identity?
    People should use their own judgement on this but personally I smell a rat. The only thing I find unusual is how they have traded for so long in the one place

    Comment by Itdontwork — 26th August 2010 @ 3:23 pm

  226. Dear Itdontwork,

    As I have never addressed you regarding your comments before as you stated, I have to assume this is not the only ‘alias’ you go by on this blog.

    For a guy that says he only ever had a free trial you sure seem unusually keen to try to convince people it doesn’t work when I and a large number of others know it does.

    That seems a little strange to me as any new enquirer IS WELCOME to
    a) make an appointment without obligation
    b) come to our offices and be taught how to use the system
    c) be allowed to use it in REAL TIME .. WITH OUR MONEY and watch the profits as they come in – then go away and think it over.

    What on earth are you so afraid of?

    If it didn’t work – they would find out right away – THEMSELVES!

    Instead of being so keen to badger genuine contributors into posting their phone numbers on this blog – why not post your REAL name or number so we can all contact you?

    Let me make another thing quite clear for you. Jon, Arch, Barry or any other contributor are not me in disguise … nor do they work for Equinex nor have they been asked to make any comments or told what to say.

    And here’s proof ..

    ARE YOU NOT AWARE THAT THIS SITE IS MODERATED and this means the moderator (hope you’re listening to this Mod.) can see the email addresses (and possibly IP addresses) of the originators of each comment and KNOWS they are genuine comments from separate individuals.

    [If you disagree Mod. Please feel free to add your comment]

    Hopefully, the MODERATOR will take a good look at yours to see what other names or common IP addresses you are also using to and take appropriate action!

    I can completely understand Jon and Arch’s exasperation after reading some of the anonymous, uninformed and untrue ramblings by you and a couple of other ‘alias’s’ on this site.

    And David … before you go attacking Jon on behalf of that conspiracy theorist “itdontwork” who hides behind an alias and quoting your blog 208 .. you might like to re-read my entry (209) where I invited you to come and trade LIVE with me so the truth and correct operating procedure would become obvious to you too .. that it works for anyone WHEN USED PROPERLY !!!

    That invitation was posted a month ago … you never called!

    Perhaps the real reason lies in your parting comment “Now I’m not saying that the system hasn’t been improved and is making money – it may well be, but I really don’t have the time to sit and monitor a computer all day to find out”.

    Lastly, I would like to thank Arch, Barry and Jon very much for their recent honest and unsolicited input. Thank you, gentlemen.

    Anyone who wishes to find out how it works, use it themselves and see the profits as they come in .. for free and without obligation just click on the link below (my name) and get the contact details from the website it takes you to and book a convenient date.

    If you do not have the ability to believe what you see with your own eyes and need someone else who doesn’t use it or has never had it to make your mind up for you, this is really not for you anyway.

    Comment by Steven — 26th August 2010 @ 8:49 pm

  227. I think you will find Steven if you read my posting 212 that you are wrong and I did not just do one trial.
    I am quite within my right like ARCH and Jon to remain anonymous and not give my number as I reserve the right to change my mind about this system at any time and go back to Equinex as unlikely as that is.
    And it is not my intention to try and persuade people this dosn’t work but give my experiences.
    What I would try and persuade people to do is be extremely careful before parting with their hard earned money on something which I experienced to be very ambigious. The results I got using your guidelines Steven were not the results you published.
    The purpose of this blog is to offer views and experiences of this product. That is simply what I have done and it is really very arrogant for you and Jon or ARCH if they ‘your alias’, to say that isn’t my right

    Comment by itdontwork — 26th August 2010 @ 10:42 pm

  228. Steven, I didn’t attack Jon on ANYBODY’s behalf, and I have NO interest in being invoved in the rediculous mudslinging that appears on this site, however “itdontwork”, myself or anybody else for that matter has the absolute right to post their findings on here.
    As regards your invitation to come to the office for a trial of this new method of using the “Ratings”, it would be pointless at the moment as I really don’t have the time to sit and watch a computer all day monitoring the movement of odds. I would love to be in a position where I did have the time and I could then post my results on here as I find them. That wasn’t the standard operating procedure when I bought into the system 3 years ago. It was a win/place system which when I religously stuck to the guidelines lost me money. That was my experience, and that is a fact.
    The reason I read this site is to see other peoples findings and find out if there is a realistic chance of recouping some of my losses. There are some very positive comments on here which gives me hope but to deny other people the chance to post their findings or dismiss them as made up is very unfair.

    Comment by David — 28th August 2010 @ 10:41 am

  229. Just got 2 things to add.

    1. If anybody wishes to discuss their woes with me then please post your number and I will call.
    2. David you should use a spellchecker mate

    Comment by Jon — 31st August 2010 @ 6:43 pm

  230. Hi Jon.
    I purchased the system earlier in the year and I have to say Steve from Equinex has been really helpful.
    I don’t really want to get involved in the mud slinging that goes on here in this blog but I’d be grateful if you could give me a call, or even a text and I could call you.
    07584124565.
    Many Thanks

    Comment by Richard — 1st September 2010 @ 1:35 am

  231. Yes Jon, that comment seems to some it up. I wish anybody interested in this venture the best of luck and I STILL have the Equinex software for sale at a very knock down price. Shall we say say £1000, can’t get fairer than that. I’m sure those of you that are doing well would love to recommend this to friends or family? Any takers initially please contact me via this site.

    Comment by David — 1st September 2010 @ 9:46 am

  232. Hi, iam writing to get some advice on this software system and iam very interested on purchasing it. And would appreciate it if someone who has already got the software and has some experience on it would contact me to give me your feedback ?
    07818565223

    Comment by Andy — 6th September 2010 @ 9:12 am

  233. Hi Richard,

    Sorry for not responding sooner….Things a little hectic at the moment…..I will call you over the weekend mate

    Comment by Jon — 9th September 2010 @ 3:20 pm

  234. Still nobody interested in my offer? What about you Jon, mate? Surely you must have friends or family you’d love to recommend this system to at a massive discount. £1000!

    Comment by David — 15th September 2010 @ 10:49 am

  235. Please do Jon

    Comment by Richard — 16th September 2010 @ 2:35 pm

  236. I jon buys daves then do I assume that Richard will buy mine

    Comment by andy b — 19th September 2010 @ 4:53 pm

  237. Lost me there Andy why would I want 2 systems?
    Still waiting on your call Jon

    Comment by Richard — 24th September 2010 @ 1:55 am

  238. Are you getting the same results as Equinex yet Richard?

    Comment by David — 25th September 2010 @ 1:42 pm

  239. I’ve a time lag problem David where I can’t get the same graghs as Equinex at the time of betting? Anyone else encountered this? It may be my 50mbs is too fast. I’m away ahead of them on the graghs.
    It’s taking a while to synchronize with them. Update you when its sorted

    Comment by Richard — 25th September 2010 @ 9:51 pm

  240. It stands to reason if you can get the same graghs you get the same results. Agree?

    Comment by Richard — 27th September 2010 @ 3:37 pm

  241. It would appear so Richard but how can that ever happen to the finest degree. There’s always that get out for Equinex that you decided to bet a fraction of a second before the graph tilted upwards and you lose your money. I’m guessing that this is what’s happening to you now?
    I’m also baffled as to why this has to be done EXACTLY 1 minute before the off. Is this some kind of synchronised conspiracy that all those in the “know” place their bets at the same time. I would have thought that if “they” knew something the rest of us didn’t then they’d want better odds than when the graph is descending?
    Your thoughts?

    Comment by David — 29th September 2010 @ 8:02 pm

  242. O dear David you are cynical.
    You must admit than all download speeds are different for every computer and its difficult to get everyone seeing the precise thing at any given time?
    What I am aiming for is to get as close as possible to Equinex.
    In a lot of those tick up at the last second graghs you are speaking of, when there is a massive trend downwards anyway, most win irrespective of that tick up. And I have seen many examples where Equinex could have claimed wins anyway and haven’t.
    To be frank David I’m sort of surprised all of this matters to you when you have admitted that you aren’t prepared to sit all day at a computer which is pretty fundamental to making money at this. It suggests you never gave it a fair shot mate.
    I can only say that I have gave this 100% and I’m making progress despite technical difficulties. I’ve been extremely impressed by Steve’s helpfulness and he really has extended himself to help.
    I will in the course of time give my conclusions but its a bit unfair to critise this if you haven’t fully explored its potential or realised the commitment and time it needs.

    Comment by Richard — 30th September 2010 @ 1:33 am

  243. I accept your point by the wat David about the finest degree. But do you accept also that it could be swings and roundabouts also. I’ve had numerous wins that Equinex hasn’t!

    Comment by Richard — 30th September 2010 @ 1:36 am

  244. Richard as the system is so good, as David has said you must have a mate you could give it to. I assume that Jon is buying his, why wouldnt he ?

    Comment by andy b — 1st October 2010 @ 9:19 am

  245. Richard, I don’t mean to be cynical or cricise but as I’ve mentioned before I bought the system 3 years ago and gave it a very fair go – £15000s worth of fair. So forgive me for being old fashioned but all I’m doing is asking sensible questions before I commit and lose another 15 grand.
    It would seem, from what you have said, that you’re not getting the same results as Equinex on a regular basis – still.
    Now I know Steve is a nice guy, but putting that aside, if it doesn’t make the money it should make then Steve being a good bloke or really helpful isn’t going to keep the bailiffs out ( ok, slight exaggeration, but you get my point).
    If the resuts really were as good and as consistent as promised then why is no there no money back garuntee?
    And if there is I’d quite like mine back….D

    Comment by David — 1st October 2010 @ 12:04 pm

  246. These are matters you have to take up with Steve, David.
    I’ve explained I have been having technical difficulties and I will give my conclusions to you and Andy very soon.
    You have said that you cannot give the commitment to sit all day at a computer David so its difficult, with respect to you, to see how you could possibly then lose another £15,000.
    Being honest, from the experience I have had so far I find it hard to get my head round how I could lose that amount of money.If it had lost me up to £2,000 (which it hasn’t) I would have given up at that point, which does make me wonder what approach you took and what size of risk was taken.
    It may very well be the case that I may have people who would buy your systems but its to soon for me to say.

    Comment by Richard — 1st October 2010 @ 1:48 pm

  247. I look forward to your conclusions Richard.
    Incidentally I lost so much because I kept being told, and believed, that it was a bad patch for a variety of different reasons and that the system would come good. It didn’t and obviously, after a lot of stress, I had to have a cut off point. So I’m sure you can understand my interest in other people’s experiences and why I have certain reservations.

    Comment by David — 1st October 2010 @ 2:24 pm

  248. David
    Out of interest and to save me scrolling back when did you buy yours. I bought mine in August 2008 and in November I was told by Barry to stop using the system as it was not performing. It did the same in December, I called in to ask Barry for my money back and he was on his hols in Spain no doubt spending my money, so I spoke to Steve (the NICE GUY !!) he told me to sell it on E Bay so uch for customer support

    Comment by andy b — 1st October 2010 @ 6:00 pm

  249. Andy
    I bought mine in May 2007, that was when the guidelines were for a win/place system. But it rained a bit that summer so that was why it performed badly apparently. We then moved to a win/no lose formula ( trading basically) in the Autumn which unfortunately again lost money. After Christmas it was a Dutching system, but ultimately we were hit with heavy losses.
    So over 12 months ( also to explain to Richard how I lost so much money) I paid out circa £5000 + VAT for the software, 12 months at £78 + VAT p/m for the trading platform and overall losses for the year of about £8000. Total circa £15000 loss!
    I suppose I kept going because I didn’t want to accept that I’d shelled out all that hard earned money on something that didn’t work. I was given promise after promise that it would start performing. I kept thinking that they were decent people and that surely if they’ve had their money already they wouldn’t encourage me to lose more just for the sake of it.. What I didn’t realise that, of course, they get a slice of the commission on winning bets. So despite the overall outcome being a loss, Equinex were getting paid out on all the winning bets along the way. Ruthless.
    The stress I went through was terrible but eventually I had to accept the fact that I’d been had over and there was nothing I could do about it.
    It seems that run of bad luck extented to at least Dec 2008 when you asked for your money back. Must have been more rain.
    Now if I believed, really believed, that somehow they’ve stumbled on a new way of reading these “ratings” and were making the profits that they publish then I’d start subscribing again – of course I would. But deep down I think all I’d be doing is throwing good money after bad.
    I keep coming back to this question ( and it’s something I should have pressed when I bought into it), if it’s so good and so consistent why no money back garauntee? You and I, Andy, both know the answer to that I think.
    Anyway Equinex software still available at a massive discount. I’m astonished that, as yet, I’ve had no takers. Perhaps my spelling’s putting people off Jon?
    What was your best offer on E bay Andy????!!

    Comment by David — 2nd October 2010 @ 11:04 am

  250. David,

    There is no money-back guarantee simply because as much as we can emphasise the need to stick to the guidelines, some people simply can’t help themselves. Ironically, they will always maintain they did not and it must have been our fault and yet when we see a copy of their trading record we clearly see where they obviously developed their own theory to make more money and departed from the guidelines and lost.

    Equally as relevant is that each of them are shown how to do it in our offices and do it using our money on live markets in real-time with us sitting by their side and generally make solid profits doing it – day after day. Since adopting this approach we have found the vast majority stick with that and are successful as a result.

    We have an really unusual case with Richard purely due to the weird, intermittent time-lag he is experiencing in Belfast for some reason but we are still working with him on it to reach a solution which seems to get ever closer. Encouragingly, he reported sound progress last week.

    David, when you used VSR to help identify win bets etc, we did not have an affiliate agreement in place with the Exchange which we do now .. so we did not get paid a penny commission on any of your betting activity.

    Also, Dave, when you say “Now if I believed … that somehow they’ve stumbled on a new way of reading these “ratings” and were making the profits that they publish then I’d start subscribing again” .. I have already offered to sit and trade side by side with you on real markets using real money in real-time in blog #209 on July 24th 2010. You replied in blog #210 “Fair enough Steve, I’ll give you a ring when I know my diary over the next few weeks.”

    You never did.

    Now, I understand from what you have said that you’re too busy and simply don’t have the time to sit in front of a PC to make money .. so I don’t imagine you would be subscribing anytime soon … regardless of how much we made while trading together!

    As for your statement .. “You and I, Andy, both know the answer to that I think” .. you are quite right. As Andy has clearly stated previously, he didn’t have the time to sit in front of a PC to make money either.

    So, if you are reading this and you DO have time to sit in front of a PC for 3 ½ hours Monday to Friday to make money and would like to try it out for yourself without obligation, you are welcome to click on the link (name) below, arrange a date. We will be happy to teach you how we do it and let try it yourself – for free – in real time so you can watch the profits AS THEY COME IN … before you buy.

    Comment by Steven — 4th October 2010 @ 2:11 pm

  251. Steven
    I dont have time to spend in front of my computer and never have. The system I bought from you that you basically told me to stop using 3 months after I had bought it (because it was no longer performing).This when I asked you to buy it back and you told me to sell it on E Bay, I found this rather insulting! David for your information I didnt try to sell it on Ebay.
    So Steve you sold me something that stopped performing the 6 weeks after I bought it (barry told me to stop in the november). So you sold me something that was “not fit for purpose” which under trading standards means that I should be entitled to a full refund. And as it was you personally that told me again to stop in the December then you have a “duty of care” once again this comes under trading standards and a refund should follow.
    As I have said to you before I am more than happy for you to buy it back at a reduce price to sell on so that you would make a profit twice. I see nothing wrong with this.
    Andy

    Comment by andy b — 4th October 2010 @ 4:19 pm

  252. Steve,

    I accept that you didn’t have an agreement with the Exchange back then, and I apologise for the mis-information.

    Now Steve, when we’ve spoken in the past we’ve always got on well and I’ve no wish to fall out. However I slightly resent you trivialising the fact that I don’t have time to sit at my PC all day, especially under the circumstances. Oddly enough I have to work. If you had delivered in the first place I’d have plenty of time (and money) to trial your new method to the full, and I wouldn’t have to bother with this site!

    But you didn’t deliver.

    Whilst I understand that you have to defend your product, I’m sure that you understand my caution since my last experience with Equinex was such a spectacular failure. All I have done on this site is relay my own personal experience and seek the opinion of others.

    I would have no hesitation in re-subscribing to Equitrack if I was completely confident that your published results were genuinely acheivable. However you claimed to have a good track record before so once bitten, as they say.

    Comment by David — 5th October 2010 @ 10:04 am

  253. Andy,

    Equitrack VSR has never stopped working since its launch in 1998 and I truly believe the ratings it produces are second to none.

    With each set of software (designed to produce the ratings) we provided a set of Basic Guideline instructions for reading the ratings. While the selection process was somewhat subjective there were a couple of hard and fast rules such as NO Amateur races etc.

    I wrote to you on the 8th April 2009 with my comments on the copy of your trading record you sent to me.

    It showed that 45% of the selections you had made that I marked were, even at the most basic level, in error. Among the more obvious mistakes were ..

    4th March you claimed a loss for a horse that did not even run!
    10th March – Bet in a 21-runner Amateur race
    11th March – Bet in a 20-runner Amateur race
    12th March – Win bet in a 24-runner Amateur race
    13th March – Claimed another loss on a horse that was a non-runner!!!

    I added at the foot of my email to you (as I repeated on several occasions) “I would be happy to coach you to get the best out of the ratings as I’m sure with a little help you would be fine”

    I did not hear from you again until August 12th 2009 asking me how much the system was now as you had a few enquiries from people interested in buying it (one, interestingly enough from Alfred G who seems to contact people on this blog asking for money to put bets on for them based on the ‘mysterious system’ information he gets).

    From your own trading record it is clear that you would have shown profits had you used the system correctly and not made so many errors of the type shown above and I think most people would agree, that was a pretty good reason to tell you to stop.

    If you would like help to use it correctly, Andy .. the offer still stands!

    Comment by Steven — 5th October 2010 @ 11:19 am

  254. well I think that has put that one to bed Steve. Who’s next? lol

    Comment by Jon — 14th October 2010 @ 6:43 pm

  255. Jon I’m still waiting on your call please

    Comment by Richard — 15th October 2010 @ 5:08 am

  256. No that has not put anything to bed the bottom line here is that by this time the system had been doing so badly I was not looking at the ratings . What we actually see here is Steves normall stance he allways has an excuse and his statemaent about about the system working since 1998 is untrue. I bought my software and “lifetime” member ship in Aug 2008 for £4964.12 and started using it mid september, I broke even, in October I broke even again and was not very impressed. (this was a system that was supposed to generate £60000 per year using the win and place system). In November the system was performing so badly that on the 8th Barry told me to start backing the Boy Jockey’s something in all the booklets we did not do. By the 15th of this month, had you have started with the £2000 pot as was recomended you would have lost the lot, this was the same day the Barry told me to stop using the system as it wasn’t performing. I will digress here for a moment as one of the regular contributers to this site (an eqinex fan) caled me and told me that he had stopped using the system earlier in the year as it was not producing results, which obviously means that when I was sold my system Steven and Barry both new it was not working. So once again “Not fit for purpose”.
    I obviously stopped but followed the results in December, by the 22nd once again you would have lost your £2000 pot this was the day when I called to ask about this that Steven told me to stop using the system and said I should be using the new trending down graphs system. This is when I told him that this was not what I had signed up for and that I did not have the time to sit down on front of the computer to do this, so I asked for a refund only to be told to sell it on Ebay, very condesending. I actually tried the trending graph system for 3 weeks in the first two I thought not bad only to loose everthing in the third week doing exactly the same thing. Since then of course we have gone onto the Mass index system and now back to trending down graphs?? What next pick em out of a hat!
    As to the system it can not be fit for purpose as the there is now ay of predicting the weather just before any race which is very important. So everyone that has this system should be given a refund.

    Comment by andy b — 15th October 2010 @ 4:30 pm

  257. And just for the record Steve sent me free ratings last July for the mass index system after 4 days (if I had have been stupid enough to back any horses) I would have been £353 down.
    Andy B
    So Steve prove us all wrong buy back these systems!!!!!!!!

    Comment by andy b — 15th October 2010 @ 4:37 pm

  258. Sorry that was july 20009

    Comment by andy b — 15th October 2010 @ 4:37 pm

  259. And just for the record when I was doing the system both Barry and Sharon told me to stop calling in everyday as I could read the ratings as well as them. So please dont put your usuall condesending comments on here Steve.
    David if you should decide to takt Steve up on his offer(Idoubt you will) make sure he puts on £1000 bets of his own money allllll afternoon

    Comment by andy b — 15th October 2010 @ 4:43 pm

  260. For the record, Andy .. you were told to stop calling everyday only after a lengthy period.

    This was because our staff provides customer and after-sales support for a whole range of queries and deal with technical support solutions for a large number of clients.

    You were simply taking up too much of their phone-time unnecessarily when you had exactly the same printed basic guidelines they did but they realised you just wanted to phone them instead of making the effort and using them yourself like everyone else.

    As you have said on this blog before Andy … you know the system works fine – you simply didn’t have the time to use it properly yourself.

    And BTW .. I was asked yesterday by an existing customer in Ireland if a friend of theirs bought your reduced-cost copy of VSR whether we would allow them to subscribe to the date entry service and get a copy of Export so they could run VSRX too.

    I told them they can arrange the purchase directly with you. Providing they sign a confidentiality agreement with us (not to tell anyone else how we do what we’re doing) – that would be fine and we would arrange their subscription to our data entry service and Export access!

    They were concerned how they could be sure to get the software once they had sent you their cheque but I have what I believe could be a workable and secure solution for both of you.

    Comment by Steven — 16th October 2010 @ 12:00 pm

  261. If anybody else is looking for Equinex software at a masive discount, I STILL have it for sale. I’m astonished that none of the satisfied customers wouldn’t recommend this for friends or family. Income for life for a couple hours a day for a fraction of the price!?
    Then we could put this one to bed too Jon???!!!

    Comment by David — 20th October 2010 @ 12:18 pm

  262. Steven
    I have had no contact from your people in Ireland so to put their minds at ease why dont you buy it and then pass it on sounds like the best bet. As to your comment about me not reading the prinouts this once again is untrue. Had Barry or Sharon told me I no loger needed to call in I would have stopped, they never did untill as I mentioned quite bluntly I was told to stop (customer serevice?). At that time and Barry should confirm this I could read the prinouts as well as him, I even picked him up on his mistakes as horses had become non runners after he had done his list.
    In fact why not buy Davids as well then this will put this truly to bed.
    What do you think David.
    Andy B

    Comment by andy b — 20th October 2010 @ 12:48 pm

  263. For the record andy/David I think I’m the guy from Ireland Steve is referring too. As you know I’m testing the system and am having some success but it’s early. I will have people who might be interested, I made enquires with Steve as to how this could be done. To early to be able to make a comprehensive judgement

    Comment by Richard — 20th October 2010 @ 5:37 pm

  264. Steven,

    I am still waiting for some sort of responce to my e-mail sent to you on the 20th August. Further more,I sent you a reminder e-mail on the 28th August, phoned Sharon on the 5th October, resent you my initial e-mails on 7th October and finally sent you another reminder on the 17th October.

    Where is your ‘customer service?’

    Forgive me reminding you re my e-mail on this blog, but by taking this action I may possibly have a reply.

    Comment by Myron — 22nd October 2010 @ 11:55 am

  265. Myron
    I am still waiting for a response to mine too!!

    Comment by andy b — 22nd October 2010 @ 4:50 pm

  266. Hello Myron,

    Regarding your post #264, as you can see below by the copy of the email I sent to you on 5th October, I have tried to contact you but received no reply. I have obliterated enough of your email address to keep it confidential. I will gladly bounce a copy of the original to you if you wish. In the meantime, please try re-sending.

    From: Equinex Sales
    Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 5:23 PM
    To: m$$$d&$&k@h$t$ail.co$$$
    Subject: MIssing emails

    Hi Myron,

    Sharon said you called and said you had emailed on the 20th and 28th to this email address.

    I have been right through it and found no email from you so could you please re-send.

    Thanks.

    Steve

    Comment by Steven — 27th October 2010 @ 3:05 pm

  267. Andy/David.
    I’ve the system working well now but I want to see a few months of steady profits.
    After a few months I will come back and see if you are still selling.

    Comment by Richard — 1st November 2010 @ 2:58 pm

  268. Sound Richard. Hope it goes well for you.

    Comment by David — 2nd November 2010 @ 9:51 pm

  269. Thanks David. Your price sounds very fair. I’m pretty sure I can get someone who would be interested but try and sell in the meantime anyway

    Comment by Richard — 3rd November 2010 @ 2:20 pm

  270. Hi David

    Do you still have the Equinex software for sale, or does anybody else have a copy? What success have you or anybody else had with it. Your comments would be most welcome.

    Comment by Lottie — 10th November 2010 @ 12:11 am

  271. Hi Lottie

    I had limited success with the software a couple of years ago but the guidelines for the Ratings were read in a different way to the way they are now. There certainly seems to be some satisfied customers who leave reviews on this site.

    What I would suggest is that you trial the software and if you’re comfortable with it and feel that you can devote the time to making it a success then I would be more than happy to let you have the software at a huge discount to the usual retail price.

    Steve at Equinex has already said that he would be fine with this and that once you have the software he would allow you access to the Export trading platform under the usual terms.

    I think in the first instance you should trial it (trials are free and can be booked by calling Equinex) and then if you feel you want to proceed leave a meassage on this site and we can take it from there.

    I hope this helps, Lottie.

    Comment by David — 10th November 2010 @ 9:12 pm

  272. I see that Steven has gone very quiet since my idea of buying the software and selling it on,which you have to admit if is as confident as he makes out he can not argue with.
    Come on Steve

    Comment by andy b — 12th November 2010 @ 5:47 pm

  273. Hi David

    Thanks for help and I’ll be in touch

    Lottie

    Comment by Lottie — 12th November 2010 @ 7:41 pm

  274. I have also got the Equinex software required which i had full intention of using but my cleaning business has took off and i have neither the time or the energy for anything else. I am not really interested in getting my money back for it but feel that i could benefit others from its use. The POTENTIAL opportunities this software offers is endless but you MUST be able to dedicate enough time to make a success of it. Good luck to whoever realises that a thousand pounds is an extremely cheap price for this software. Anyone interested please get in touch. Baz D.

    Comment by baz(not c) D — 13th November 2010 @ 11:40 am

  275. Hi David

    Can you give me your contact details – phone/ email so that we can discuss a price for the software etc, if this is normal procedure.

    thanks Lottie

    Comment by Lottie — 16th November 2010 @ 6:30 pm

  276. Hi Lottie
    My number is 07890 946582. If you can’t get hold of me, please leave a message and I’ll get straight back to you. Thanks

    Comment by David — 16th November 2010 @ 8:38 pm

  277. whats your number please baz?

    Comment by adam — 23rd November 2010 @ 12:03 pm

  278. save ypur money lotti ,be warned.

    Comment by skipper — 25th November 2010 @ 10:19 pm

  279. Tell us more skipper

    Comment by Adam — 26th November 2010 @ 7:18 pm

  280. I have heard this system works well and they reckon thy let you have a free trial first before it work, proof is what i need before i buy this item

    Comment by James Mckay — 27th November 2010 @ 1:45 pm

  281. Hi James,

    If you are interested you are welcome to call and ask for a free trial. An appointment will be arranged for you where you will see the easy-to-use software working and be shown how to use it yourself.

    You will then be allowed to use it … in real-time … on real race markets … with our money … so you can watch risk-free as the profits hit the account … just as you would if using your own copy at home.

    Then you can go away and think it over or ask if you can buy one too!

    Comment by Steven — 29th November 2010 @ 10:49 am

  282. Glad to see that peace has broken out on this site during my absence

    Comment by Jon — 4th December 2010 @ 8:12 pm

  283. Maybe Jon but not an abundance of happy customers

    Comment by Adam — 7th December 2010 @ 12:25 am

  284. Maybe not Adam, but then the happy ones, me included, are using the system as advised, not deviating, and turning in some decent returns….

    Comment by Jon — 8th December 2010 @ 10:24 am

  285. I was hoping you would share that joy with me Jon but I’m still waiting from September!

    Comment by Richard — 9th December 2010 @ 3:32 pm

  286. Richard,
    Didn’t see the need after reading your comment from 1st November…..It seems that all is ok with you…. Well done

    Comment by Jon — 11th December 2010 @ 11:09 am

  287. Up and down a bit Jon.
    Would have appreciated a chat on how it’s going for you.
    07584124565. Would be very grateful. If you text I can call

    Comment by Richard — 11th December 2010 @ 8:02 pm

  288. 2 weeks on and still nothing! Impressive.
    Still I’m getting the information I need from several other sources thank you.

    Comment by Richard — 22nd December 2010 @ 10:36 pm

  289. dont worry I have not gone away, had computer problems got anew one now. I see that Steve still hasnt responded to most of my comments.
    The “Supply of Goods and services Act 1982” clearly states that items sold should be “Fit for purpose” as the system I bought (place and win)stopped working after 3 months (I am not sure it ever did)I should be given a refund. So Steven you have my numbers I look forward to hearing from you.

    Andy b

    Comment by andy b — 28th December 2010 @ 4:21 pm

  290. Andy how long have you been looking for a refund?
    Don’t you think Steven would have done it by now?
    If you think your case is that strong, and I think
    It is, why don’t you just take legal action?

    Comment by Adam — 30th December 2010 @ 5:16 pm

  291. For the sake of clarity I think it best to point out that Andy B bought a copy of the Equitrack VSR software which works extremely well for the purpose for which it was designed – which was, and is, to produce an analysis showing the top 3 rated horses for every race for which data has been entered into it.

    We have over 12 years of records produced by the system (which can be independently verified by anyone with a copy of the system) showing it has produced the winners and/or placed horses in the vast majority of races of the day – every day.

    As far as we are aware there is no other publicly available computer-based system that evaluates horses and horse races with such a high level of consistency and accuracy.

    For those not wishing to enter the data into the system themselves and produce their own reports, we offer a data entry service for a small monthly subscription.

    There are many ways this processed data (ratings) can be used.

    The method Andy B mentions (win or don’t lose) is still used by many today and to great effect. As a matter of fact, by virtue of our excellent ‘live-odds’ exchange software (provided free to all subscribers) .. it has since evolved further to the more commonly used ‘make profits win OR lose.

    The only downside to using this approach is that you need to be in front of a PC to be able to place the bets and as Andy B clearly states in his earlier blog entries … he simply didn’t have the time to use it!

    Comment by Steven — 4th January 2011 @ 11:39 am

  292. .. And just to make the point perfectly clear, here is a copy of ALL selections I traded off our ratings during spare time this afternoon calculated at a £200 opening bet and using the same ‘make profits win OR lose’ method mentioned in the blog below (Simply betting a horse will both win AND lose at different odds and stakes (not hard as the software works this out for us).

    The record below shows the date and time each bet was matched at. Most of the counter-bets were actually matched and trades completed while the races were in progress.

    15:40 6f Hcap Finns Rainbow Lay
    04-Jan-11 15:37 2 6 2 -6.00
    15:40 6f Hcap Finns Rainbow Lay
    04-Jan-11 15:36 2 288 2 -288.00
    15:40 6f Hcap Finns Rainbow Back
    04-Jan-11 15:36 2.96 200 2.96 392.00
    15:00 To Be Placed Feelin Foxy Lay
    04-Jan-11 14:57 1.6 262.4 1.6 -157.40
    15:00 To Be Placed Feelin Foxy Back
    04-Jan-11 14:57 2.1 200 2.1 220.00
    13:40 To Be Placed Feet Of Fury Lay
    04-Jan-11 13:25 1.28 231.2 1.28 -64.60
    13:40 To Be Placed Feet Of Fury Back
    04-Jan-11 13:25 1.48 200 1.48 96.00
    13:20 2m Nov Hrd Frascati Park Lay
    04-Jan-11 13:19 1.27 247.2 1.27 -66.80
    13:20 2m Nov Hrd Frascati Park Back
    04-Jan-11 13:19 1.57 200 1.57 114.00

    TOTAL 239.00

    Naturally, I have all the original Bet ID’s provided by Betfair from the Betfair account and will be happy to produce them to any serious enquirer at our offices.

    If you would like to learn how to use our software and do this yourself, simply click on my name below to be taken to our website where you will find our contact details and be able to arrange a free trial for yourself.

    Comment by Steven — 4th January 2011 @ 6:14 pm

  293. The web page formatting made a hash of that – hopefully this will be clearer when uploaded …

    Finns Rainbow Lay 04-Jan-11 15:37 2 6 – 6.00
    Finns Rainbow Lay 04-Jan-11 15:36 2 288 -288.00
    Finns Rainbow Back 04-Jan-11 15:36 2.96 200 392.00
    Feelin Foxy Lay 04-Jan-11 14:57 1.6 262.4 -157.40
    Feelin Foxy Back 04-Jan-11 14:57 2.1 200 220.00
    Feet Of Fury Lay 04-Jan-11 13:25 1.28 231.2 -64.60
    Feet Of Fury Back 04-Jan-11 13:25 1.48 200 96.00
    Frascati Park Lay 04-Jan-11 13:19 1.27 247.2 -66.80
    Frascati Park Back 04-Jan-11 13:19 1.57 200 114.00

    239.20

    Comment by Steven — 4th January 2011 @ 6:19 pm

  294. Nope. Not much clearer. One last try ..

    Frascati Park:
    Back bet £200 @ 1.57 = £114
    Lay bet £247.20 @ 1.27 = -£66.80

    Profit £47.20

    Feet Of Fury:
    Back bet £200 @ 1.48 = £96
    Lay bet £247.20 @ 1.27 = £64.60

    Profit £31.40

    Feelin Foxy:
    Back bet £200 @ 2.1 = £220
    Lay et £262.40 @ 1.6 = -£157.40

    Profit £62.60

    Finns Rainbow Lay bet was matched in two pieces
    Back bet £200 @2.96 = 392
    Lay bet #2 £ 6 @ 2 = -£6
    Lay bet #1 £288 @ 2 = -£288

    Profit £98

    Total profit from 1:19pm to 3:37pm = £239.20
    (although I did miss a couple due to phone calls etc)

    Comment by Steven — 4th January 2011 @ 11:08 pm

  295. I have used this system and for me it did not work in 1998. I met Steve the owner of the software when he was a salesman for The Probex selecta, a similar system.
    I knew nothing about gambling but following a demo at the Probex office in Hatfield ( Must have been a good week) I purchased the system. it failed miserably after that we were offered a refund if we purchased a second system, their Hong Kong system, which most people did. Following the failure of that system Paul Makin ( not Paul Makin the uk trainer)the owner, dissapeared without trace.

    However he appeared recently as the owner of horse called Starcraft and several articles appeared in the Telegraph where he claimed he had made his fortune gambling on the Hong race track. He told us that
    the system had failed??? He is also the contributor to a forum. I registered for the forum and was going to ask him if he had thought of reimbursing all the uk investors, now that he had a few million dollars. But I have not had a reply to my registration.
    http://www.racecafe.co.nz/forum/member.php?s=aeb69dd206c1402bbc341a22881e5c86&userid=14605

    Steve is a genuine person but the system did not work for me it produces several possible selections but which ones do you bet on?
    He even gave me selections to place bets on but overall I made a loss at the times that I used them over 3 months.

    I was not a gambling man and I regret answering the ad in the business section of the Mail in 1995.Redundant at the time I was desparate for a way of earning money but instaed I lost over 20000 pounds which ruined my life, as I have never recovered that loss. Equitrack may have improved since but at the time I used the system it did produce winners but overall I lost money. The best way of making money is to sell a gambling system.

    Comment by E Harris — 5th January 2011 @ 5:00 pm

  296. And the rest of the day or week Steve?! Those figures give no accurate reflection. Publish your betfair account. Don’t say you can’t I’ve seen others do it

    Comment by Adam — 6th January 2011 @ 9:37 am

  297. That was all I had time for on that day.

    As far as I am aware, due to the format of this blog website it is not possible to post graphic content such as Betfair accounts. However, if you know different, please feel free to publish yours on hjere to show us all how its done.

    However, the members area of our website contains a complete daily archive of screenshots taken jusat before the start of every qualifying race of the day. They clearly show excatly what any member can see themselves .. the VSR ratings for the race, the charts for each horse on the ratings and the live odds available at that moment in time.

    This means that any member can check any race themselves at any time.

    If you are so interessted in seeing accounts to verify my report is accurate, call me and explain who you are and I will gladly make an appointment for you to come to our offices and show you.

    [Addition by Ben: I’m not 100% that it is the real “Steven” who has made this post as the email address is different to usual. Steven, perhaps you can confirm?

    Also, you can email me any images you’d like to publish and I’m upload them for you and provide the links.]

    Comment by Steven — 6th January 2011 @ 5:35 pm

  298. Steven when you write on this site all you do is twist things to your liking. The system I bought (win and place) did not require you to sit in front of a computer all afternoon all that was required was to receive the days ratings analyse them check for non runners etc and the place your bets. Your later new systems require sitting in front of a computer.
    I also notice that you have failed to make any comment about my earlier comment, the fact that Barry told me to stop using the system in November and the you yourself told me to stop using it in December 3 1/2 months after buying it, so how come you say it works as it didnt then.As I also mentioned in an earlier comment I was contacted via this site by another member who told me that they had stopped using the system early in the year as it had stopped producing results. Had I have known about this site you would have never seen me dowm in London. I am just glad that my losses where not as big as some mentioned on this site. If its so good buy them back you can easily sell them on according to you, or dont you have the confidence to do this????

    Comment by andy b — 6th January 2011 @ 5:36 pm

  299. If you really want to know how to make money Just sell a similar system that may or may not work. Go to the companies house web site and note the address of the MD of Equinex.A nice house purchased for 1/2 a million a couple of years ago.

    I notice Steve did not reply to the post by E Harris.

    Comment by Fred — 7th January 2011 @ 12:02 am

  300. What is the matter with everybody?

    You all had a free, live trial.
    You didnt have to buy on the day.
    You all must surely realise that there are no guarantees in life, except that you will pay taxes and die.
    Anybody who is moaning about this system are doing so because they have either not understood how to use it completely or have deviated from process.
    I had problems at the start but I used my head and went back to the Company who helped me out.
    Once I fully understood and monitored results then I went back to using with my money as opposed to paper trailing.
    Anybody who bought this as the answer to their financial woes, and not read and fully understood how the system works must be mad! You may as well have gone to Vegas and thrown your money onto a gambling table!
    Stop all the whinging and complaining.
    By the way, so what if a house has been purchased for £500,000! It doesnt mean a thing.
    I have purchased a property recently for £300,000 and put down a sizeable deposit thanks to owning this software. So thankyou to Steve et al.
    Finally, stop all the bitterness & either use the system properly or move on. It’s eating away at you guys!

    I note your comments Richard. I will call in my own good time.
    Snide comments do you no favours at all.

    A Happy New Year to you all.

    Comment by Jon — 7th January 2011 @ 11:52 am

  301. Jon, the whole idea of the system I would have thought was that there was some gaurantee. The graphs are ambiguous, there is nothing Gauranteed in ambiguity.
    One final point, there are people who you are conveniently ignoring who have steadfastly worked to the guidelines for quite a period of time and are not getting the profits you speak of. I have spoke to several, only yesterday I spoke to a guy in Belfast who has had no success 1 year on and has followed all steves instructions and has been over to the office 2 or 3 times.
    A relative of his bought it and he can’t get it working either. Don’t blithely ignore peoples hard work and efforts. If it works for you produce evidence like a betfair account. Talk means zero and clearly a lot aren’t happy

    Comment by Adam — 7th January 2011 @ 12:29 pm

  302. Adam,

    With the greatest of respect you are talking out of your hat.

    Show me anywhere in the literature that it mentions guaranteed winnings/returns.

    Only a fool would enter into something of this nature with the expectation of guaranteed returns! Horses fall, underperform etc etc just as any athlete does.

    If people are not happy then why did they;

    1. Buy the system?
    2. Not paper trail it first?
    3. Choose not to discuss any problems they are/were having with the Company instead of broadcasting on here?
    4. Continue to rack up losses in an attempt at recovering their losses?

    No rational human being would do any of the above. I still can’t see why everybody is bitter and twisted. They were not forced into buying & hopefully they would have researched the Company prior to making any decision to buy!

    Comment by Jon — 7th January 2011 @ 3:00 pm

  303. Jon, not sure why you think I’m bitter and twisted I’m making perfectly reasonable points.
    The glaring question here is that if there are no gauranteed profits why buy it? I accept your point about horses falling etc but what’s the point in buying something that dosnt gaurantee success in as far as is possible with racing?
    Seems to contradict Equinex claims of no losing weeks since they started. Isn’t that a gaurantee?
    People who have spent upwards of £5,000 deserve some gaurantee and deserve a system that works. My conclusion is that the races with an area of ambiguity are where this system makes or breaks, clearly Equinex are claiming those as wins and the punter can hope for the best. Might as well go into William hills and put money on the favourites. Pretty much the same results.

    Comment by Adam — 7th January 2011 @ 3:39 pm

  304. You said about people being crazy Jon expecting this to be a cure to their financial woes. I’m not clear as to whether that’s an argument for or against!
    Equinex are claiming profits circa £35,000 ok? Anyone entering this can reasonably expect something similar? People aren’t asking for anything more than whats being claimed. No one is expecting millionaire status.
    In the cold light of day the reality is a different matter. Just like the bookies this system is there to make money for others whether it be commission to betfair or Equinex.
    And Steve, Ben has provided you the means to publish and your excuse is you don’t have the means so the balls in your court

    Comment by Adam — 7th January 2011 @ 4:10 pm

  305. Havent left a comment for a while nice to see that this scam is being well monitored. Jon its been asked before do you work for the company as even Steven isnt a passionate as you, I also notice Steven lack of replies to lots of comments I wonder why!

    Comment by stevenbarry — 7th January 2011 @ 7:51 pm

  306. Adam
    please get up to speed when I bought mine it was £60 000 per year, or did something go wrong ??

    Comment by andyb — 7th January 2011 @ 7:53 pm

  307. Adam,

    Have you purchased a system? Sorry if you have already stated that you have but I couldn’t be bothered to page through the blog

    Comment by Jon — 7th January 2011 @ 8:12 pm

  308. No Jon I haven’t bought the system but I have tried to make it work.
    A friend purchased it about 2 years ago and he gave up and let me try it for about a month. I had no success ever at paper bets. The actual definition of whether a bet should be placed or not is too vague on the graphs. It’s a split second thing and equinex’s get out is that every Pc is effected by different factors such as speed.
    I continue to monitor how other people are doing at it through this blog and I sometimes call people who leave their number but the overwhelming opinion here seems to be this is a waste of time money

    Comment by Adam — 8th January 2011 @ 1:59 am

  309. Adam,

    Thank you for your reply. I have to say that you write in a style extremely similar to another person who contributes on here.

    The way that I use the system is that, if there is a consistent or strong trend down then I bet, if any doubt I leave that one alone. It works.

    Comment by Jon — 8th January 2011 @ 11:25 am

  310. Nice to see your tone moderating Jon!
    Pretty pointless speculating about pseudo names on this much more important to address the issues. I could speculate that you are really Steve for example and that’s why you seem unable to ring Richard but what’s the point? I suggest we leave that to the moderator, but for the record im not anyone else.
    Clearly your not going to publish your betfair account and that’s the real acid test of this, but out of curiousity what profits in the last two years are you claiming using this method of only massive downturns?

    Comment by Adam — 8th January 2011 @ 12:45 pm

  311. If Ford marketed a car claiming it could travel 0-60 in 2 seconds and had a top speed of 500 mph they would be prosecuted for fraud. Why are the sellers of these scams immune to prosecution. If these systems are so profitable why don’t they offer a full refund if they fail, we all know the answere to that question. Jon you must be a mate of Steve. Most purchasers would not worry if this crap cost 30 or 40 pounds but when you spend 5000 you expect to recover your initial purchase price.

    Comment by Kevin w — 8th January 2011 @ 11:17 pm

  312. I would really prefer you didn’t call now Jon, I really don’t like your attitude.
    Thankfully I have made contact with several people who have purchased and/or use the system.
    The feedback I am getting is not encouraging.

    Comment by Richard — 9th January 2011 @ 12:03 am

  313. Firstly, anyone that continually placed bets that did not qualify despite repeated advice and entreaties from me to the contrary has no business making negative comments on this blog. You know who you are!

    Secondly, in answer to Kevin W .. if you made a car that does exactly what it claims but the driver didn’t handle it correctly … would you offer a refund?

    Thirdly, Adam … if you are having difficulty trying to make it work using second-hand information .. call me and explain who you are and I will happily arrange a date for us to get together and teach you how to use the software properly and in real time on real markets. While we’re at it I’ll even show you how easily the ratings are used to identify regular profitable trades .. interested??

    Comment by Steven — 10th January 2011 @ 1:21 pm

  314. Dear oh dear gentlemen (& ladies)

    The season of goodwill has certainly passed hasn’t it?

    It’s simple really. Follow the guidelines & you’ll have a better chance of succeeding then if you deviate from them.

    Lets stop this nonsense of asking for my Betfair a/c to be shown when nobody else is volunteering to show theirs that purport to have losses of varying levels. Publish your losing accounts showing that the guidelines have been followed and I’ll publish my a/c as proof. However mine will only be published once Equitrack/Equinex etc etc have verified that what you have published is bona fide from their recommendations and that you have not deviated in any way.

    Can’t say fairer then that.

    Comment by Jon — 10th January 2011 @ 3:40 pm

  315. Well Steve, I have purchased 5 previous systems followed them to exactly and to the letter. As you know you were involved in some way with 3 plus Equinex vsr. Equinex is obviously your invention but you were connected as a sales exec for Probex.Uk and Hong Kong programs. Statex was another, you must have worked with that one as I used the same dongle when I purchased your Equitrack VSR system.

    None of them have made a profit.In 1998/9 I followed it to the letter you even gave me the selections over the phone to avoid any ambiguity but it still made a loss. Things have probably changed since then. I would like to win back my massive loss and believe that the system now works but I am yet to be convinced.

    Yes everyone I am a mug for buying 5 but all have been connected in some way to the first and each seller convinced me that the previous one was crap and that the new one worked brilliantly. I did have a test day for each but they must have been the lucky profitable days.

    Comment by E Harris — 10th January 2011 @ 6:09 pm

  316. O dear thank you for that revelation mr Harris.
    I think that’s rather infantile Jon. You won’t publish yours until I publish mine. Rather pathetic really.
    No Steve I won’t take up your offer because I can’t see how you can tell me more than what’s in your manual, or would you like me to list here the guidelines I have?

    Comment by Adam — 11th January 2011 @ 4:45 pm

  317. I’m really curious about something Jon.
    How come you are even more defensive of this system that Steve?
    Dosnt strike me as adding up that you spend this much time and effort defending it.
    I wonder

    Comment by Adam — 11th January 2011 @ 5:00 pm

  318. The point is Sevey No road car is capable of 500 mph. But if they claimed it could they would be in breach of the Trade Descriptions Act and prosecuted. Likewise if someone claims a system can make 60K
    and if followed exactly without deviation and it produces f/all they should be held to account.

    Comment by Kevin — 11th January 2011 @ 9:54 pm

  319. Adam,

    Infantile it isn’t. It’s put up or shut up. The whole thing is tiresome. People complaining left, right & centre. I put a balanced & considered view thats all. I had early teething problems so I paper trailed until I got it right.

    Even after a while when the system started to ‘misbehave’ I again paper trailed until I was confident enough to use again.

    From the sounds of it, most people who are sounding off on here have just blindly thrown pound notes at the system when it plainly wasn’t producing what they thought it would.

    Using the car analogy, if it’s advertised at being capable of speeds of 500mph but doesn’t perform to that standard, then you go back to the manufacturer who will take you on a test drive and show you what you have done wrong in not achieving that speed. Same thing here. If you aren’t achieving the desired results then go back for a lesson, which I believe has always been offered to you.

    I am on nobody’s side, but am just bemused with all of the complaining when nobody talks to Steve & co to sort out their individual problems.

    Comment by Jon — 12th January 2011 @ 12:26 pm

  320. Yes Jon but I’m sure it’s more tiresome for those who have lost money, gone back to Steve and are still no further on.
    Everyone can’t be wrong mate. You seem on your own and your identity is in serious doubt.

    Comment by Adam — 12th January 2011 @ 12:32 pm

  321. Jon if this is so tiresome why do you keep putting on posts? You go back years on this.
    If it was doing well for me I wouldn’t have to time or motivation to keep coming on here and be it’s sole defender.
    It all dosnt add up unless of course you are Steve, Barry or work for Equinex? That would make sense

    Comment by Adam — 12th January 2011 @ 12:40 pm

  322. Reading Johns last post about the car analygy.

    “Using the car analogy, if it’s advertised at being capable of speeds of 500mph but doesn’t perform to that standard, then you go back to the manufacturer who will take you on a test drive and show you what you have done wrong in not achieving that speed. Same thing ”

    I think he must be Steve .Definately. The point is it is not capable of achieving 500mph. No way in the word could it but if it were advertised as such it would be a false claim.Or is Steve /Jon deceiving himself does he believe that the car / his system can achieve what it cant. It may be able to achieve the advertised profit with hindsight. If I had back this or that I would make X amount. Time and time again I have yet met anyone who has made a profit, except Steve/Jon.

    Comment by Kevin — 12th January 2011 @ 2:22 pm

  323. Guess that’s the beauty of an anonymous blog – eh?. Anyone with enough email addresses can come on here and write anything they like and use whatever and as many pseudonyms as they wish.

    Most people that have VSR just get on with using the system to make money. We have people that have been subscribing quietly for many, many years. Do you seriously think they do that for no reason?

    People who don’t make money have either ignored the advice they were given, not applied it properly or simply ‘done their own thing’ (often on a whim) and when they come unstuck – look for someone to blame.

    I sit side-by-side with people and use the system in a disciplined manner in real-time with real money doing live trading most days. If it didn’t work it would only show a loss and no one would ever buy it.

    I show others how to use it and while they are sitting with me – they make profits too. If they didn’t-no one would ever buy it.

    None of this happens “with hindsight” and is all done in real-time!

    Also, fancy having a go at Jon just because the poor guy said it works fine for him! Isn’t it amazing that others who have also tried talking sense on this blog have abuse fired at them by the same anonymous snipers purely for saying it works for them.

    Jon is not a ‘sole defender’. I think he just gets fed up of reading negative comments about something he uses and makes money with and probably can’t understand why these people aren’t.

    I have seen other comments on here from people who use it and are happy but they are immediately attacked with puerile comments such as “must work for the company or must be Steve”. How ludicrous!

    Anyone who wants to see this working has only to book a meeting and see it working for themselves !!

    Comment by Steven — 12th January 2011 @ 6:40 pm

  324. Racing is a mugs game and the only winners are the bookies. Trading on Betfair makes a few pounds profit for a very large outlay, a slow internet connection can lose you hundreds or thousands. One losing trade can take hundreds of winning trades to recover your loss.

    A cheaper alternatinve to Equinex is Bet Angel for a few pounds per month. You can even use their BetAngel Basic for free. Before Jon or Steve ask. No I do not have any connection with Bet Angel, only as a user.

    Comment by Kevin — 12th January 2011 @ 11:03 pm

  325. Quite right, Kevin-Ja? Hence the word MUG …

    Mathematically Uneducated Gambler!

    And bless them too! As in any financial market someone else has to lose for you to keep winning.

    Bet Angel is a very nice alternative. Obviously, we like our trading platform much better but I guess that’s because it does the job for us just fine. I should point out that our trading platform is also free to anyone subscribing to our data entry service!!!

    However, as any Bet Angel or any other API Trading Software users would have to agree … the key to making money from trading odds/prices is being right about which way the odds are going to move a lot more than you are wrong – and that cannot be easily done without an extremely accurate and thorough analysis – and that’s exactly what we have.

    If you look at our ratings showing our top 3 rated horses over the last 12 years you would see we have the winners and/or places in virtually every race of the day and as we all know, horses that are performing well shorten in price and offer a nice profit margin – win or lose.

    i.e. If you traded a horse with a high expectation of performing well in the Place Market that ‘rated-up well’ and was currently showing Back odds of 1.8 … (for the uninitiated a Lay is where you bet it was going to lose .. just like a bookmaker. So, in this example you are being both the Backer and the Bookmaker at the same time which the software allows you to do)

    If it wins If it loses
    Back £100 @ 1.8 + 80 -100
    Lay £133.33 @1.35 – 46.67 +133.33

    Profit + 33.33 + 33.33

    Personally, I think making 33.33% on your money in 10 minutes whether a horse wins or loses is pretty good – and bearing in mind – this only had to LOOK LIKE it was going to achieve a Place (normally 1st, 2nd or 3rd) ..

    Comment by Steven — 13th January 2011 @ 11:46 am

  326. Kevin,
    Thanks for that information and I will check that site out.
    Can you give us some idea of your profits in 2010 to indicate how worthwhile it is?
    Nothing to say about post 315 Steve?

    Comment by Adam — 13th January 2011 @ 12:13 pm

  327. So are you going to put your money where your mouth is then Steve and give me a years free trial of your software and ratings? Totaly free of charge.Then I can come back here weekly and tell everyone what a wonderful system it is.

    Comment by Kevin — 13th January 2011 @ 12:21 pm

  328. Hi Adam,

    Bet Angel is just a tool but it is a good tool to trade with. Your profit would depend on how much you are willing to risk. The trades that Steve mentions are lucky trades. You seldom find trades with such large price swings. Should a trade go against you, you have the option of cutting your losses or chancing your luck and letting the trade run in the hope of making a profit.

    However Bet Angel do run training sessions in your home if you wish. To get a true picture of trading just read post 17 I believe by George II at the beginning of this forum. I was astounded to read that Equinex charge you an extra 199 pounds if you cant make the system work and go back for a refresher. This should be free.

    Bet Angel is not a selection tool but it is a trading, dutching etc.tool. They do run courses on how to use it and you are also able trade on greyhounds and football. This may help people who work for a living to trade in the evenings or at the weekend.

    My main point in mentioning it is the fact that it costs a few pounds per month to use. Unlike Equines at 5k or whatever it is now plus a monthly fee for the downloads. Steve mentioned that the trading platform was free, true but you have to pay 5k for Equinex VSR first and then another monthly fee for the downloads.

    Comment by Kevin — 13th January 2011 @ 1:22 pm

  329. Steve. A question.

    MUG = Mathematically Uneducated Gambler

    Therefore does VSR = VERY SH** RESULTS

    Comment by Jacko — 13th January 2011 @ 1:36 pm

  330. Steve,

    Another question is your partner Barry Sheperd the same Barry Sheperd of the 1960’s speedway fame?

    Comment by Jacko — 13th January 2011 @ 1:49 pm

  331. Good one at 327 Kevin. Although to be fair he does offer free trials.
    I’m not ruling out going on one but I don’t see anything new happening, I followed their guidelines when I used it and didn’t see the balance going up, only down. And it was their manual I used.
    I’m sure there’s good days but sure with racing the same could be said at a bookies shop

    Comment by Adam — 14th January 2011 @ 10:27 am

  332. Just to explain why this system often looks good, even in trials, but ultimately fails to deliver.
    By backing low priced favourites to place in fields of between 8 and 12 you will win 3 out of 4 races even if you backed them blind and with no research. (source Adrian Massey’s Favourites statistics amongst others.) The likelihood is, therefore, that there will be considerabley more winning days than losing. So the “system” will often look good. The obvious trouble is that because the prices are so low the losing bets wipe out any profit. The same applies to trading the prices and then greening up ( dividing the lay bet amongst the rest of the field so that whichever horse wins your bet wins – but ONLY on a successful trade. If the lay bet doesn’t get matched you will lose your entire stake. Any professional trader will tell that trying to to acheive .3 – .5 of a point at such low prices is SERIUOSLY bad advice)
    Despite all the claims and apparent evidence, this system fails as soon as you hit just a few losing bets. And I promise you that will happen.
    Equinex’s claim that thier “Ratings” will show a winner or a place in nearly every race is completely valid. BUT you will get the same results from the top 3 in the betting. Check it out.
    Anybody who buys this system, BEWARE! Do your research. Find out who genuinely has bought the system and talk to them. Do not be blinded by seeing a few good results. Find out who, if anyone, remotely makes what Steve and Barry claim.
    If this thing really worked it would not be up for sale. Think about it!
    Please be warned, it will save you a lot of time and money.

    Comment by Muggged — 14th January 2011 @ 7:27 pm

  333. Excellent post Mugged.
    I think that’s it in a nutshell.
    It’s a conn because you think all the winning days you are ahead when 1 loss can wipe out 5 wins.
    Have you bought the system? You certainly know your stuff.
    No wonder they won’t give references from people who use it. I’ve never heard of any reputable company which ‘franchises’ out its software not have references or be able to refer potential customers to existing satisfied one. Stands to reason if it dosn’t work

    Comment by Adam — 16th January 2011 @ 12:56 am

  334. Just curious about this one.
    How many people on this blog have bought the system and would be willing to get together for legal action?

    Comment by Adam — 16th January 2011 @ 10:18 am

  335. I have not long bought this system and I’m genuinely concerned with what I am reading here

    Comment by Anon — 16th January 2011 @ 6:46 pm

  336. Adam.Most of the companies selling these systems hide behind the small print that states that past results can not guarantee future profits. They also make you sign a confidentiality agreement which prohibits you from disclosing the results of the system.

    Following the failure of the Probex system, I contacted my lawyer who said that as the owner had dissapeared it was not worth continuing. He reappeared a few years later as a respectable Ausi reacehorse owner.I also contacted the police who were not really interested.I am now considering approaching the police again as I believe the whole thing was probably fraudulent. 15 years have passed but there is no time limit for prosecution of crimes these days.

    I appeared in a tv ( “Are you being cheated” chanel 5)program about one company that had taken my money. When I realised that it was total rip off I told the seller that I was going to report them to the DTI and he indirectly threated my family. They have since closed down but I am sure they are into some other scam.

    To sue these people would probably bankrupt you as they have the money to keep you in court for years. The best thing to do is to purchase any business opportunity via credit card and you can then sue the credit card company under the consumer credit act.

    Trading standards were of no help whatsoever. They do not seem to be interested in anything that involves gambling or businees opps. I managed to contact other users of some of these systems as one company sent the wrong fax out and everyone received other users fax number. We compared notes and everyone was of the same opinion that the systems we had purchased were crap. As one said the best solution was to “send the boys round with a baseball bat”. Not sure if he was joking.

    BTW. Steve has been very quiet over the past few days. Must be post 327.
    Should the claims of Equinex be correct why not offer a 12 month trial to Kevin. Still no reply to post 315.

    Comment by E Harris — 16th January 2011 @ 10:42 pm

  337. Yes ADAM
    I did buy the system and despite sticking to all the rules all I ever did was loose money. No point in contacting Steve or Barry any more as the have stopped replying to my blogs on this site. As i have said many times if Steven is so convinced that this system does has he says why not buy back all the ones that appear to not work and sell them on again. Surely he has nothing to loose???

    Comment by andyb — 17th January 2011 @ 3:21 pm

  338. Andy b, same response as I had . I could not make the system produce a profit. Although it is 8 years since I used it the program has obviously changed since then. They did not have the trading platform at that time. Just Equinex VSR . The program produced 3 selections for selected races.

    They always said if you back the highest rated etc and when that system failed they said if you had backed the second highest rated you would have made x amount and so on. The rules changed frequently but whatever I did, I could not make a profit and I eventually gave up.

    They would not consider a refund as any complaints were turned aroud and directed at me. The excuse was the way I was using the ratings. Always the weather , corrupt jockeys etc.Never the fault of the program.

    I would not advise anyone to pay the asking price of this system. There are other programs about that are much cheaper if you fancy your chances at gambling. As someone previously posted that blindly backing the first 3 in the betting forecast produces a high strike rate but not a profit. To call it a business opportunity is a joke.

    Comment by kevin — 18th January 2011 @ 10:52 am

  339. E Harris, you are welcome to call and arrange to come and try the system out for yourself in real time. I think you will find the advances we made work just fine and the system clear and easy to follow. As a frustrated Arch stated in a previous blog:
    Where do we begin….
    So what i am going to do is give everyone an idiots guide to how this works.
    1.Do not invest your money in maidens.
    2.Stick to races 8 to 12 runners
    3.Only bet on races with a massive downward trend.
    4.you are being given the ability to see late money or money in the know comming into a race at the last minute.
    5.You have an edge most people dont.Learn these things and you will do well
    6.Use bolds arrows and ratings of the horses.The overall rating of a horse will be better in a higher quitilty race.
    7.Most importantly patience is a virtue

    Comment by ARCH
    From time to time, someone that uses the system properly and regularly adds a comment on this blog but to be fair it is normally only someone that is not happy that goes in search of such things. Here are a couple of examples:
    The system does work if you know how to work the system, its as simple as that! You have to look at this system as a business and invest as a smart investor using the system, don’t be a gambler or if you are a gambler then you will not follow the system and you will not get the results. I am have had the system for many years and if I ever need to make money its there as a back up.
    Comment by George
    I have left a message previously that I had been using the system for 4 weeks.
    Well 6 months in and it has paid for itself. It’s taken a while for 2 reasons.
    1. I haven’t had the courage to ‘invest’ at the level suggested to get the returns advertised.
    2. I deviated from the system when I hit a losing streak trying to recoup my losses.
    What I have found is that if you use the system as demonstrated by Barry then it does work. However, and I’m not stupid, the presentation day does leave you dazed as to the amount of information you take in, in a relatively short space of time. Barry is more then happy for you to go back though, for a refresher.
    Also the backup through Sandra and Boulent is top class, and they are always happy to take any calls from you.
    I have had the system since Jan 2008 and it has paid for itself and also a nice holiday for 3 of us. I did resist the temptation to take my laptop abroad to invest whilst on holiday though!
    Comment by Jon
    I agree with Jon and George (Dec 2005) if you follow the system then it does work. I’ve had the system for about 10 months now and can say that I’m very pleased with it as it’s making me money and the backup service is excellent. I was skeptic to begin with but I had the free trial and see it for myself. Obviously if you’re a gambler then this may not be for you as you need to follow the system.
    Replying to Mags… I used to work part time but now concentrate on the Equinex system working from home as there are many different aspects to the program including dutching, lays etc.
    Comment by Adam
    I purchased the system 3 years ago and use it almost every day Mon-Sat. I struggled at times and got nothing but strong constructive support from Equinex whenever I called or emailed. The system is very simple to use and as mentioned by another blogger earlier if it’s treated as a market and not a horse race it will return good results.
    Comment by Dave
    I have been a user of vsr software for a few years now in between holding down a real job as a company director (now redundant). I have to admit that I did not follow the strict guidelines most of the time and had more losers than winners but I never blamed the software company for this as I knew the risks of not following the guidelines and got carried away. I accept full responsibility for the past failures.
    The system now is MUCH better and is making me money. I am still struggling on occasions to make as much as they claim and partly this is the exact timing cut off point when a bet is taken according to the graphs i.e. refresh and a 10 seconds later a slight downward curve could change to a slight upward curve and make them decide it’s a non bet while I have decided it’s a bet (and vice versa).
    There are some days where I win and they declare a loss or a smaller win so there is no deception on their part which is refreshing. In my opinion they still need to nail down the system so that users don’t have to make subjective decisions and I say this because there are many traders using betfair and markets are manipulated massively even by me who will try and send the price of a “hot” horse upwards by laying a £1000 bet just to make the price as good as possible for me.
    Of course I don’t take the bet but the large sum scares the traders and the price generally rises a few points and it’s worth doing this on a tight price horse. So the “market manipulation” side of things is a problem and I daily see MANY of their horses place that the graphs have declared a no bet.
    This is why I am playing with the mass index system now as I want to be 100% sure of what to bet on and this system although makes less money than using the graphs it’s easier to understand and means you don’t have to keep watching graphs like a hawk just before the off. My experience now is even better and it’s easy to make £100 daily with £100 bets.
    In fact if I had “balls of steel” I could be making more on some days (and I guess losing more on others) but I tend to be more confident spending £100 on a 1.5 priced horse than a 3.5 priced horse so often lower my bets or don’t bet when I see those ones come up. I am also considering lowering the 13 max horses per race to 10 but trying to collect data on this first. I am now 50 and unlikely to get another top industry job because my industry has been decimated so I pray that this system can give me winning weeks on a regular basis and I truly believe that it will based on the newest approaches we are now doing.
    Personally I think the company should stop selling the software now and just look after the existing client base and continue investment into new ways etc. If everyone was using this system it would become devalued so although I am writing a fairly positive report I really do NOT want people buying the software. I was sorely tempted to write a negative review under a false name to put off would be buyers to keep my investment safer but I decided that would be unfair and unethical and so I have posted here with my real name and email address warts and all.
    Before considering this type of purchase you must also be aware that although it can be fun it can also be very stressful on a losing day and the temptation may be to chase your losses but there is no need to do this because in my experience a losing day is always followed by another winning day. I can’t comment on the system going back a few years because I was extremely busy and unable to devote myself full time to sitting in front of a screen as I now do (well from 2pm until 5.30pm).
    I did lose money though back then by NOT following their system and choosing to lay horses. I made £1200 in my first week even laying horses in the place markets but lost it all the next week when I took some huge hits and that made me focus again on my real job.
    I am killing some time waiting for a car in the garage so this is being posted from an internet cafe which is why it’s long and rambling but I hope it helps someone considering buying the software….and my advice is DON’T because you will spoil my investment if too many people get on the bandwagon! (selfishly Les)
    Comment by Les
    Oh dear, just stumbled across this website and feel I should put my own perspective across to give a balanced view. I purchased the full license in late february and have been making small but consistent profits each week. I can only afford to place £20 bets but but each week I average a good £100 to £130 profit and that’s tax free for me.
    I am now retired and not on a big pension I might add so this money although not huge does help immensely with my living expenses. I think people who are having a bad time need to grasp two things…
    1. timing is everything (1 minute means 1 minute!)
    2. learn to understand graphs and downward trends.
    Learn these two things and you will make money. There are the odd days when a graph is difficult to interpret (maybe one or two bets a week) and I advise then if not sure DO NOT BET. From experience it’s best not to take the chance and lose because the win percentages will work positively and negate those 1 or 2 difficult decisions.
    If you don’t want to be making occasional subjective decisions then use the mass market index. I prefer daily small profits and can’t remember the last time I had two consecurive losing days. The mass market is IMPOSSIBLE to fake as its published at 12pm before racing commences. The system I use (graphs and timing) is also robust although in any one week there are a couple of “iffy” graphs where a wrong interpretation could be had (and a wrong bet made) BUT even with this you still make a healthy profit most days and definitely every week which is all that counts. Your only possible argument with them will be “I made 10% less profit than you claimed you made”….which is still a bloody good return on investment. Will it continue?…goodness knows but I hope the next six months is like the first six months.
    I do agree though that to become good at this you need to be free from 2pm to 5.45pm mon to fri as it won’t run on auto pilot. So for an older retired person or maybe someone on shifts, or someone who has a stay at home wife, you can get around this one issue.
    Well just wanted to put my own perspective on things because it works well for me.
    Comment by Chris – August
    Hello to everyone.
    My name is Barry and I would like to point out that my surname is not Shepard and I do not work for Equinex. The reason I am submiting this is because I was talking to Steven yesterday saying how I was close to matching their results but not exactly matching them. He explained why it was unlikely to match exactly due to internet speeds ect. I then said how everyone using this system must be delighted with it and he told me about this blog.
    I have been using the VRSX system since december last year. After a couple of weeks of not placing money but recording my results and comparing them to the posted results I was a little bit off the published results. I called the office and Barry Shepard asked me a couple of questions and then offered some advice which put me right and now I am making a good profit every week. I take my own screen shots and compare it to theirs and its amazing how often they match or are exstemely close. When they don’t it could just be me being a second quicker or slower than them. I have found by doing this it is easy to see when I get it wrong and why – which is not very often now. I generaly make around their published results but do not expect to match it exactly. I use £100 stakes and try to follow the guidelines exactly.
    I cannot understand anyones reluctance to go to the office and take up the free trial using their money. What have you got to lose? Nothing! They have been at that address for years so are not fly by nights.
    Finaly any company/product that does not evolve with time will stagnate and die so I am more than happy to hear they constantly look at their product and look to improve it.
    I agree with the sentiment that anyone knocking this system is either competition or someone that has bought it and does not understand it in which case they should call them and get their issues resolved.
    Comment by Barry

    Also ..
    Andy, to reiterate …
    Equitrack VSR has never stopped working since its launch in 1998 and I truly believe the ratings it produces are second to none.
    With each set of software (designed to produce the ratings) we provided a set of Basic Guideline instructions for reading the ratings. While the selection process was somewhat subjective there were a couple of hard and fast rules such as NO Amateur races etc.
    I wrote to you on the 8th April 2009 with my comments on the copy of your trading record you sent to me.
    It showed that 45% of the selections you had made that I marked were, even at the most basic level, in error. Among the more obvious mistakes were ..
    4th March you claimed a loss for a horse that did not even run!
    10th March – Bet in a 21-runner Amateur race
    11th March – Bet in a 20-runner Amateur race
    12th March – Win bet in a 24-runner Amateur race
    13th March – Claimed another loss on a horse that was a non-runner!!!
    I added at the foot of my email to you (as I repeated on several occasions) “I would be happy to coach you to get the best out of the ratings as I’m sure with a little help you would be fine”
    I did not hear from you again until August 12th 2009 asking me how much the system was now as you had a few enquiries from people interested in buying it (one, interestingly enough from Alfred G who seems to contact people on this blog asking for money to put bets on for them based on the ‘mysterious system’ information he gets).
    From your own trading record it is clear that you would have shown profits had you used the system correctly and not made so many errors of the type shown above

    Lastly, for the record any serious enquirer is welcome to make an appointment and come and try it out for themselves ‘in real-time’. See it with your own eyes. You can then go away and think it over or, if you wish, come back and try it again!

    Just click on my name below to go to the website for contact details

    Comment by Steven — 18th January 2011 @ 2:12 pm

  340. What a load of whitewash!
    Don’t invest in maidens and their profits and screenshots include maidens.
    No money back gaurantee, no satisfied customers to speak to. Don’t touch it with a barge pole!

    Comment by Adam — 18th January 2011 @ 3:06 pm

  341. STEVEN

    You have still not answered the question from many blogs ago Barry told me to stop using the place and win system in the november 2 months after purchace and you told me to stop in the December 3 months after purchase. AS I have said before on this blog, which you seem to come back to as usuall you always have to blame something else for your systems failure I have never sent you a race with 12 runners or any of the others for the fact. I did send some results in but as I told you then and in the blog you ignored and again now at this time I had stopped placinf any bets and had lost interest as your support was to tell me “Why not sell it on Ebay” very insulting. I have also said that I was told to stop callling your office in early November by Barry who told me that I could read the ratings as well as him so there was no need for me to call. I am not a gambler so never devaited from the guidelines. The FACT is the rating system did not work, confrmed to me as I have said by one of this sites very pro eqinex contributors. He told me that he had stopped using the rating system before I bought mine as it was not producing results. Answewr these questions and not your own.

    Comment by andyb — 18th January 2011 @ 5:22 pm

  342. That should have said 21 runners

    Comment by andyb — 18th January 2011 @ 5:23 pm

  343. I called Trading Standards today about this scam and they couldn’t help because of the risks involved in gambling.
    Its a disgrace these people can get away with this

    Comment by Adam — 18th January 2011 @ 5:36 pm

  344. I may take you up on your offer in post 339. However how much is it going to cost me? I made a payment in 1998 but 12 years have passed.

    Comment by E Harris — 18th January 2011 @ 6:30 pm

  345. So we are all “idiots” now re post 339. The idiots guide is just basic betting knowledge. I would challenge no3 and 4 though. Late money entering the Betfair markets may not be people in the know but Betting Bots programmed to trigger the bets.

    Adam. Your post regarding Trading Standards is exactly the response I received whan I contacted them about a betting scam. When you mention the word gambling or betting they do not want to know. This just allows scammers a licence to print money with no fear of getting caught or prosecuted. What a disgrace.

    Comment by E Harris — 18th January 2011 @ 6:48 pm

  346. E Harris, they were not my words .. that was just an excerpt from a previous blogger called ‘Arch’.

    Also, I agree that it is basic betting knowledge .. it just becomes very effective when coupled with the ratings analysis. Amazingly and despite advice to the contrary, it is still sometimes overlooked or ignored and when something goes wrong as a result there is always the inevitable search for someone else to blame.

    As the ratings report is produced by computing and comparing each horses chances by allotting specific weighting scores according to each facet of their suitability for ‘todays’ Course, Distance and Going based on their individual historical performances, it is not surprising that it is so accurate. For example, low rating scores invariably indicate a low-grade race where the predictability of the horses performance will be less reliable. Also, if there is little or no previous form for many horses in the race, the system can not be expected to compute the likely outcome as accurately with such little information. Nonetheless, as all the ratings information produced is track-specific it is also possible to see the obvious strengths for each day too.

    Our staff spend up to 3.5 hours a day inputting fresh data into the system each morning to produce ratings for our clients to download which they have been doing for many years. We simply wouldn’t bother if it didn’t work.

    Comment by Steven — 19th January 2011 @ 1:35 pm

  347. Steven,
    Why are you STILL not responding to posts 315 and 332?
    I won’t let you off the hook with these comments

    Comment by Adam — 19th January 2011 @ 7:26 pm

  348. This was a very painful period for me but as you ask .. In response to 315, I did work for the Probex company for a few months. The Australian owner had was totally convinced me that I too was going to be given a share in the system plus a generous bonus once all places had been sold. So, I was content to work for next to nothing ‘knowing’ it would only be for a short period – or so I thought.

    I saw that as a fantastic opportunity because from the reams of print-outs of figures the owner had showed me it looked like we were all in for an incredible ride on a highly lucrative gravy train together.

    I was told to start making plans to ship my wife and (then) baby daughter (14 now) to Hong Kong to manage customer liaison (wow, a promotion!) while the owner got the rest of the betting operation ready. This never happened. I did not hear another word from them, the lines went dead and my long-promised pay-check or share in the HK system never materialized.

    Some years later I saw the Probex owner on television who is now a multi-millionaire racehorse owner. A far as I can tell he must have used the money he’d taken to provide his ‘optimum’ bank-roll for his Hong Kong system. Guess it worked after all.

    I knew from what he had said that he had previously been connected in some way with a highly profitable system out there owned by a man named Bill Benter (see smartgambler.com.au/articles/article_006.html ) and had since set up his own operation. So, I had not only every reason to believe it was indeed possible to do – but also that he had cracked it too.

    Naturally, when I was left high and dry .. and Kevin, who had also worked for Probex said he had his own system that worked and offered me a paying job it seemed too good to pass up. Sadly, I realised after a short while that it didn’t actually work consistently and left.

    Nonetheless, from the little I had gleaned I knew that such an effective analysis was possible and so, I borrowed some money and set to work with a couple of friends and ultimately built the VSR system then formed Equinex 12 years ago to market it.

    One of the first things I did was to write to anyone that had bought products from either company to explain what had happened and tell them we had built our own and they were welcome to try it if they wished.

    VSR as a product has always been approached honestly and profits have been continually re-invested in further R&D continually searching for ways to improve further. Our Export live-odds trading platform was one such advance that has provided another way of using the VSR ratings.

    One thing we do know – having the benefit of 12 years of hindsight now, the VSR ratings are still the best we have ever seen.

    If anyone can honestly name any more accurate – please tell all of us!

    In response to 322, balderdash! The comment begins by assuming all selections are low-priced favourites .. which they are not!

    Anyone who did just that would certainly lose as even the most basic stats show how poorly favourites fare from track-to-track over time.

    The comment regarding “greening up” (a term often used by the owner of the Bet Angel trading platform that “any professional trader will tell you ..” are we to assume that you ARE a professional trader? Also, I have to ask – does your preferred trading strategy rule out 33% – 40% ROI’s as a mere piffle?

    Targeting small odds swings to match trades is NOT bad advice but it does mean that to get matched and retain such a large level profit (‘greened up’ to you) that one has to deal in shorter odds. I’m sure you realise that a 0.3 or 0.5 drop from Back to Lay odds offers a much smaller trade out % at higher odds than it does at lower prices and ultimately would pay you less!

    Finally, if what you said was true we wouldn’t have clients that have been with us for so many years – now would we?

    OK Adam!

    Comment by Steven — 20th January 2011 @ 1:38 pm

  349. Still Waiting for answers

    Comment by andyb — 20th January 2011 @ 2:36 pm

  350. OK Steve thank you for that response and sorry if it brought back painful memories.
    We only have your word for it though that you do have satisfied customers that use VSR since you won’t give a bank of customers to speak to as all reputiable franchises do.
    I have to admit that when I used your system, following your guidelines I experienced the same as some others here. Very good days and weeks, yet a few losses wiping out all of that. The view that ultimately these make it a waste of time I can fully concur with but I’m not ruling out a free trial at your office.

    Comment by Adam — 20th January 2011 @ 2:56 pm

  351. Steven,

    It would seem that having seen the rewards for that “lucrative gravy train” which you described in 348, you have built your own track – knowing full well that you can deliver little with no culpability. A very simple and unethical formula to follow – congratulations! You must be very proud of being able to relieve people of their hard earned cash with such dexterity.

    As regards your “ratings” – Timeform alone provide much more consistant ratings than yours for a FRACTION of the cost, but, of course, like yours, they simply provide an alanasys – the descion remains with the investor.

    Steve, if you are so confident in your system then remove the subjectivity. Simply tell your subscribers what to bet on and when. Put your money where your mouth is.

    Your answer I’m sure would be that you would then be providing just a “tipping service”. Well, I’m sure none of your subscribers would mind that if you produced the right results.

    Steven, in my opinion, you are a conman and I cannot stress enough that anybody who is thinking of buying into this rubbish should pratice DUE DILIGENCE. Ask to speak to satisfied investors. Ask them how much they earn. Do not be put off by Steve/Barry’s “balderdash” about satisfied customers wanting to keep their identities a secret. THINK ABOUT IT! Would you not speak to other potential investors if you were a succesful franchisee? Of course you would.

    He will not produce real references because he has none.

    Please, please be warned!

    Comment by Mugged — 22nd January 2011 @ 1:52 am

  352. Andy B ..

    You say you are still waiting for answers but I have answered you several times.

    Despite having printed guidelines telling you specifically to avoid certain races and advice that best strike rates with that system were to be had in field sizes of 8 – 13 runners the copy of your trading record showed you had repeatedly ignored this. The outcome was you lost money in races or on selections that the guidelines told you, you shouldn’t have entertained in the first place

    In blog #341 you state “I have never sent you a race with 12 runners or any of the others”.

    Not true! A report you sent us showed your wins, place bets forecasts and losses, Out of 77 selections you made, the following comments were reported back to you showing that had you stuck to the system as printed in your Manual, you would have been in clear profits. It soon became clear this was ignored too:

    Non-runner. This horse did not compete!
    Apprentice jockey/’boy rider’
    correct
    Apprentice jockey
    correct

    correct
    correct
    correct
    correct
    correct
    correct
    correct
    correct
    Another Non-runner
    Apprentice jockey
    correct
    correct
    Amateur race
    Amateur
    correct

    correct
    correct
    correct

    Apprentice jockey
    Flat NH
    correct
    correct
    correct
    Apprentice jockey

    correct
    Amateur
    Flat NH
    correct
    correct
    Apprentice jockey

    Amateurs and a 21 runner race !!!
    Apprentice jockey
    correct
    correct

    Amateur and 20 runners
    Amateurs
    Apprentice jockey
    correct
    Apprentice jockey
    No! Not top J or T
    correct

    correct
    A 24 runner Amateur race – be serious!
    correct
    It came 2nd even with the apprentice jockey
    Apprentice jockey
    correct

    Correct – came 2nd in this 18 runner race .. Why didn’t you Place bet it?
    Another “selection” that didn’t run!!!
    This is the 14:20 NOT the 14:40 – and was a Selling race
    correct
    Amateurs
    correct
    correct
    correct
    correct

    Missing selections ?

    correct
    correct
    correct
    Apprentice jockey

    correct
    This horse came 2nd. Place bet won
    correct
    correct
    correct

    Amateurs
    This is a place bet
    Apprentice jockey
    correct
    correct
    Selling race
    correct
    correct – but a short priced win bet in an 18 runner Maiden Hurdle?
    Amateur – Fell
    Apprentice jockey

    Andy, I think that is a perfectly good reason to advise you to stop using it.

    However, we did explain to you we had since discovered an easier way for you to use the ratings and invited you to come to our offices and learn how to use it, but as you said repeatedly, you don’t have the time.

    If you find you do have time, you are welcome to call and arrange a meeting and learn how to use it yourself.

    Comment by Steven — 22nd January 2011 @ 1:17 pm

  353. You’re welcome, Adam.

    I am sure you would agree that it stands to reason, as I mentioned earlier that satisfied people don’t generally go looking for anonymous blogs. If we hadn’t been doing something right all these years (since 1998) there would be an awful lot more than a small handful of negative bloggers (and half of those have never owned the system or tried VSRX).

    An extreme example is one of the earliest blogs (#14). George ll .. (not to be confused with George on blog #3). George ll was a highly intelligent, prolific writer and great detractor who long after regularly contributing to this blog for quite a period reluctantly admitted in court that he had never actually used VSR himself at all.

    I am sure that some of the ‘nom de plumes’ on here appear on other blogs too also looking for a wind-up with ‘cries of don’t buy it’. But I guess that will always be the downside of anonymous blogs. Might be different if they had to use their real name, don’t you think!

    We don’t encourage new enquirers to speak to old clients for a few reasons:

    Firstly, when we first started we had a very happy chap who was very willing for us to give his number out to any enquirers, which we did. That was until one of them called back and told us he was offering to give them a copy of the information for £1,000.

    Secondly, most people that use it did not speak to others first but made up their own minds after seeing it work. They just want to get on with it. Many would be happy if we never sold another copy and don’t want to talk to people they don’t know about how much they are making and are we a nice bunch to deal with etc.

    Thirdly, as far as I am concerned, ANY company or franchise that offers you the chance to speak to someone “already on board” could very easily be putting you through to their relatives or someone ‘on the payroll’ who will say all the nice things that you want to hear .. for a price! That is why we invite every serious enquirer to come to the offices – find our how it works then use it in real time themselves .. and if they are still not happy after using it and making money in real-time through the afternoon .. come back and do the whole thing again before deciding whether to buy or not. There is no sales pressure and we attempt to answer all questions openly and candidly.

    Comment by Steven — 22nd January 2011 @ 1:24 pm

  354. Their website shows 2003-2006 “verified results”, ask about 2007,2008 results and see if you get an honest answer from the good Shepard.

    again, how do I join you Brian. I have enough evidence and have a good contact with racing post who has said he will verify any ratings from 2003-2006.

    Comment by conned – January 16, 2009 @ 1:02 pm

    Any comments Steve

    Comment by jacko — 22nd January 2011 @ 9:03 pm

  355. Beware Adam. Poor Adam like fly perhaps lured into the spiders webb, once trapped there is no escape. Once you hand over your 5k there is no refund. Beware. Gambling is like a drug once hooked it is difficult to give up.You feel obliged to recover your previous losses. Especially for a previously non gambling person.Take heed my friend and be careful.

    Comment by jacko — 22nd January 2011 @ 11:26 pm

  356. Fear not!
    I only said I wasn’t ruling a trial out.
    I’m still highly suspicious of this system and two things would make me consider this seriously and I know I won’t get them.

    1) Contact with at least 3 existing satisfied customers.

    2) At least a months Betfair statements.(Publishing one days means nothing)

    I’d also want a money back gaurantee which I know I wouldn’t get either consider how long Andy has been trying.

    Comment by Adam — 23rd January 2011 @ 1:59 am

  357. Re comment 351. Terrible typo, should have been “analysis” not “alanasys”! Apologies

    Comment by Mugged — 24th January 2011 @ 12:09 pm

  358. IN reference to 352 I have stated many times that when I sent you this I had stopped betting (trading)as your system had failed so badly in the November and December (you told me to stop using it, aquestion you have never addressed on thid blog site)I had stopped following the ratings and the thing I sent you which was mostly correct (and still a LOSS)I had not bothered to check evry race as properly as you yourself had told me to stop using it ????? I have alsi asked you MANY times if its so good buy it back at a reduced cost and sell it on you have made money from and will make money from the sell on. SO WHY NOT

    Comment by andy b — 26th January 2011 @ 2:00 pm

  359. I guess that’s because he dosn’t need yours back Andy to sell it on, he can sell as many as he wants and keep your money.
    If you want to take my advice, if you reckon you have the evidence then go to small claims. If you don’t have enough evidence then try and sell it yourself.
    OR give it another go and collect evidence that way.
    It’s interesting that when I did call they told me last Spring they were only selling 80 in 2010 and only had a few left, yet by Oct/Nov were still doing trials trying to sell it.

    Comment by Adam — 26th January 2011 @ 5:03 pm

  360. Adam
    Small claims courts no good as they cover themselves by stating that the system is not guaranteed to make a profit. Steven also told me that they were only selling 80 and “they were going like Hot cakes”. He did say that when he had gotten through them he might sell mine on, then I never heard fromm him again.So I am on here I have tried to sell it on and still am at a greatly reduced price, but then again so are others, makes you wonder. As Steve is in the best place to sell these on maybe he will one day!!!

    Comment by andy b — 31st January 2011 @ 5:19 pm

  361. I got to say Andy my heart goes out to people like you who felt stung by this.
    I still think a sympathetic judge in small claims is worth a go.
    Has anybody tried?

    Comment by Adam — 31st January 2011 @ 5:44 pm

  362. All quiet on here; everybody must be using their system properly & reaping the rewards!

    Comment by Jon — 2nd February 2011 @ 9:53 pm

  363. Hello fellow punters !

    I would like to hear from anyone who has bought or is considering buying the Equinex VSR system. Seems an established concept and has been going a while ????

    I’m into LAY bets also… do they cater for this.?

    You can email me on

    [removed] or phone me on [removed] 10.00-17.00hrs M- F

    Comment by Alfred Gardiner — 2nd February 2011 @ 10:09 pm

  364. Have you not been reading the comments on here Jon?

    Comment by Mugged — 3rd February 2011 @ 11:37 am

  365. Jon you know your cover is blown isit not Steve. The battle is not over yet. These systems are a licence to print money for the seller.
    Equinex will never resell your system Andy because it costs them nothing to produce and they can sell as many as they wish.

    A legal loop hole to sell anything as long the small print states that it is not guaranteed to make a profit. Although their sales tactics constantly claim massive profits.

    Has anyone thought of publicising these types of companies via the media, tv, etc.?

    Comment by Jacko — 4th February 2011 @ 6:06 pm

  366. Alfred are you the guy who asks for £5000 to place bets for punters?
    Suppose there are always mugs everywhere.

    Comment by Adam — 4th February 2011 @ 8:31 pm

  367. Jacko,

    Stick to the day job mate and dont try to be a detective as you would have a very low detection rate….. You’re good for a laugh though!

    Comment by Jon — 7th February 2011 @ 7:06 pm

  368. Oh you ar probably Barry then john.

    Comment by Jacko — 7th February 2011 @ 10:26 pm

  369. This forum must have given their confidence a boost. They are claiming
    60,000 profit in todays Daily Express. Anyone on here made 60 grand with Equinex?

    Comment by Jacko — 7th February 2011 @ 10:28 pm

  370. Jon and Steven make a great comedy act. Have you noticed how one goes quiet while the other performs?
    Oh for a real punter who can make this work!

    Comment by Adam — 8th February 2011 @ 12:09 am

  371. Remember the game you played as children where you would be told if you were getting colder or warmer as you looked for something that was hidden? Well Jacko you are positively in the frozen areas of the North Pole. You couldn’t be more wrong.

    As for you Adam, you rely on hearsay when you haven’t even bothered to go and attend a presentation!

    You guys just witter on about nothing in particular. If you can’t make the system work for you then don’t use it. If you haven’t even been to a presentation then you are in no position to comment anyway, be it in a positive (heaven forbid that should happen) or a negative manner!

    Why not ask how many systems have been sold and how many people still pay their monthly subscription for the data?

    How many of these kits do you reckon have been sold guys? Work that out in your head and then deduct from it the number of people that comment on this forum. Of course do not include Adam in that figure as he has never attended a presentation or bought a package, so is in no position to make any judgement!

    Happy Days to you all.

    Comment by Jon — 9th February 2011 @ 12:49 pm

  372. Oh, and before you all jump on the bandwagon saying ‘you must be Barry or Steve as how else would you know that about Adam’ he has already stated both of my points amongst his diatribe at some stage in the past.

    Comment by Jon — 9th February 2011 @ 12:51 pm

  373. Jon,

    Asking who has bought the system, who is still happily making their monthly subscription and who is genuinely making the amount of money that Equinex suggests are the very questions that Steve refuses to answer.

    All people are asking for is genuine references from satisfied clients who consistantly make £60,000 per year as the advertising promotes.

    Too much to ask for?

    Comment by Mugged — 9th February 2011 @ 1:12 pm

  374. Maybe if you reword your request along the lines of what I have suggested then Steve et al may reciprocate?
    Obviously he cant give you specific names due to Data Protection Act etc. However the statistics that I alluded to may prove to be useful for you.
    No doubt others such as Adam & Jacko would merely say that he has made them up though!

    Comment by Jon — 9th February 2011 @ 3:03 pm

  375. I have never read such nonsense.
    Almost every franchise in the country is breaking Data Protection laws then, as they offer the opportunity to speak to existing clients?
    And Jon, I might consider a presentation, believing it not to be a waste of time and expense were you to offer your betfair statements as you said you would.
    This degenerated into I’ll show you mine if you show me yours. Pathetic.

    Comment by Adam — 10th February 2011 @ 1:27 am

  376. I should add, you are welcome to send them to my e-mail address which I will provide if you don’t feel they are fit for general consumption.
    I won’t hold my breath but I’d be happy for egg on my face!

    Comment by Adam — 10th February 2011 @ 1:37 am

  377. You make me smile Adam saying that you have never read such nonsense when that is exactly what comes from your prose.

    Are you some sort of champion of causes?

    Suggest that you attend a presentation and discover all the facts before you make comments about others who have done just that!

    Unless you are already known to Steve?

    Comment by Jon — 10th February 2011 @ 12:34 pm

  378. I haven’t bothered looking at this collection of anonymous blogs for a while and I see nothing has changed.

    Adam, or whatever your real name is .. You ask demandingly that you want a list of people to speak to that use our systems and make over £60,000 but we both know if you were able to speak to them you would say they “work for the company”, that they “must be Steve”, they are being paid to say nice things or they must be related etc.

    Besides which, why would anyone genuinely making good money be in such a hurry to speak to you? If you were using our system and making great profits too, you would be too busy using it or out on your boat or the golf course enjoying the benefits.

    Unless there’s something really wrong with you I don’t think you would forego that to wait by your phone to talk to people you don’t know to tell them how much you and the wife made last week.

    More importantly, would you want your phone number given out for someone to call you in the dead of night to ask “just one more question?” I doubt it – unless of course, you were being handsomely rewarded !!!!

    And .. I am absolutely staggered that you demand to see Jon’s (or anyone else’s) account so he can prove to you how much money he makes. Incredible!

    if you look back through the blogs on this site you will find that any time any genuine user of the system that has wandered on here and stated honestly that they were happy and making good money – they have been verbally attacked and accused of working for the company – so what is the point?

    I find it amazing that you have the drive to continue your attacks without some kind of vested interest. We know you don’t own the program yourself nor have you, by your own admission ever been to our offices to see how it is used correctly. Work for a competitor perhaps???

    Isn’t it strange (and anyone reading this can go back over the blogs and check this for themselves) that the few ‘hobby detractors’ who pop their blogs on this site have, on several occasions, been offered a meeting at our offices where we would show our system working in real-time and teach them how to use it properly and let them WATCH THE PROFITS AS THEY COME IN.

    Interestingly, NOT ONE has taken me up on this and has just resorted to any kind of excuse not to !!!

    So … I am forced to come to the conclusion that if someone buys the software but a) Doesn’t use it, b) Decides they no longer have the time to use it or c) Ignores sound advice and does not use it properly … then there will always be an anonymous blogger like you three with an axe that needs grinding who thinks it must be the company’s fault but even if it isn’t they are fair game.

    Either way, it has to occur to anyone that as we have been in this business with this product at the same offices for over 12 years – if it really did not work there would be hundreds of people on this blog with you. Last year we restricted sales to 80 copies.

    You do the maths!

    The fact still remains … anyone who is seriously interested in trying this out can do so for themselves simply by calling is to arrange a convenient date.

    We will show you how it works in under an hour then you use it on real-markets .. in real-time .. with our money and watch the profits they make as it happens. Contact details are available by clicking on my name below.

    Comment by Steven — 10th February 2011 @ 1:50 pm

  379. I think that all people are asking for (both on here and presentations) is concrete evidence of Equinex’s very bold claims. Historical data or graphs are of no real consequence.

    If either the company or satisfied customers are genuinely making this kind of income by using these ratings and following the guidelines, then I’m sure that they would be able to provide proof without disturbing anybody. Evidence would end this discussion.

    I think that the refusal/excuse to provide real proof is a pretty damning indictment and anybody thinking of buying into this would be wise to draw on the obvious conclusion.

    Incidentally there are countless gambling con artists who have been in business for years and continue to trade marginally inside of the law and a long way outside of ethics and morals.

    Folks, do not get involved in this – it is making Steve etc rich and could ruin you!

    Comment by Mugged — 10th February 2011 @ 2:36 pm

  380. You really should be a politician Jon. You never give direct answers.
    But for the record I will ask again.
    Are you willing to show your betfair statements? If your making good money its a very simple way to silence all detractors here.
    Secondly, how on earth is providing references for this system breaking data protection when every franchise in the country allows access to their satisfied customers.
    JUST ANSWER THE QUESTIONS!

    Comment by Adam — 10th February 2011 @ 6:31 pm

  381. In response to Steven, I think I should be allowed to judge whether your references are reputiable or not.
    I don’t know a single reputiable company which ‘franchises’ out its system or method of making profits which does not allow access to existing customers. Surely if your customers are so pleased they would be willing to spread the word.
    That’s how other companies operate but mysteriously Equinex dosn’t.
    Also, you gave the reason for not printing betfair statements on this blog was that it wasn’t physically possible yet Ben (presumably the moderator) said he would assist and you didn’t take him up on his offer.
    All highly suspicious. But as with Jon, we just get more water muddied and no real answers. People simply want concrete evidence to back up your claims. Is that too much to ask?

    Comment by Adam — 10th February 2011 @ 6:40 pm

  382. Like the man says Adam, visit the office, unless you have already been?

    And, as I have stated previously, anybody who wished to show me their losing betfair account, once verified by Steve that all bets have been placed correctly is/are more then welcome to view mine.Of course any deviations make that null and void as it will have proved my point which I have made on several occasions.

    Can’t say fairer then that i dont think

    Comment by Jon — 10th February 2011 @ 9:45 pm

  383. Jon your position is ludicrous.
    I can’t think of any logical reason why you would only show your betfair statements if someone else showed you theirs.
    The issue at stake is whether Equinex works or not. Someone elses failed attempts at making that work are of what interest to you?
    As I stated previously I attempted to make this work using the guidelines and the manual provided by Equinex by a buyer who gave up.
    What benefit to you are statements from over a year ago detailing losses?
    I know the guidelines so why would I travel to Cheshunt to see more of the same? I also believe the graghs are vague and can be interpreted either way in a split second.
    But what would really interest me would be seeing the betfair statements of someone who claims to make this work.
    If you are really anxious to shut people like me, Jacko, and mugged (to name a few!) its really very simple.
    One final point. Steven claims that people who succeed at this are too busy to blog yet you spend so much time blogging, I see it goes back years. His own logic only seems to work if you are indeed he!

    Comment by Adam — 10th February 2011 @ 11:28 pm

  384. Just reread you last point. Its even more ludicrous that I imagined.
    If Steven were to verify that my bets were done correctly and (presumably) working why on earth if I were making profits would I want to see your statements???
    The point I am making is that show we statements that prove it does work.
    If I had statements that were showing that it did work I would hardly want to see yours would I?

    Comment by Adam — 10th February 2011 @ 11:33 pm

  385. My point is .. if you actually tried it out yourself .. like anyone else, you would be able to count the money you are making as you are making it! That’s what a free trial enables anyone to do!

    Comment by Steven — 11th February 2011 @ 1:37 pm

  386. Perhaps my point is too deep for you to comprehend Adam. You cant show any account as you dont have the system, if you remember!

    My offer is aimed at those who moan,moan and moan every time they write on here, that they are losing money all the time.

    Prove it, that you are losing time and time again using the system as demonstrated.

    Adam you have no need to respond as you do not have a copy of the software so it doesn’t apply to you.

    Or perhaps you do!

    Comment by Jon — 11th February 2011 @ 1:50 pm

  387. These are the patronising comments which bloggers here have come to expect Steven. Strange way of achieving customers, however, I was actually referring to your alleged satisfied customer Jon who is insisting on seeing irrelevant statements.
    If you must know, I have statements that go back a year or more ago, following your guidelines they lose money.
    Statements that do show profits, without conditions attached is what I am seeking. But I’m not holding my breath. As I’ve already said it’s a very simple way to shut us all up and that seems your objective is it?

    Comment by Adam — 11th February 2011 @ 3:38 pm

  388. That aimed at Steve or me Adam?

    If it’s me I’m quite happy to continue the banter, inbetween racing of course!

    Seems like you are a champion of the cause as you dont own the system but have statements detailing losses.

    I guarantee the owner of said statements has deviated from the rules.

    Let Steve check them and, if they haven’t then I will gladly show my account to whoever the owner of the system is, but certainly not you!

    Unless it is you of course. LOL

    Comment by Jon — 11th February 2011 @ 6:04 pm

  389. Hello Steven,
    Since mid October 2010 I have been somewhat occupied elsewhere and have not had the time or the inclination to read through this forum.
    Steven, to put it bluntly, in my comment #264 on this forum I was asking you for a reply to my e-mails. I clearly stated that I did RE-RE-mailed you on the 7th Oct 2010. However in you forum reply #266 you state:
    “Regarding your post #264, as you can see below by the copy of the email I sent to you on 5th October, I have tried to contact you but received no reply.”
    My RE-RE-email on the 7th Oct (two days AFTER your e-mail) was my reply to you. – Oh! what an error by your customer service dept!
    After so many months why am I again participating in this forum? – Obviously for several reasons!
    I have lost a lot of money, using your’s and Barry’s advise with your system. IT DOES NOT WORK! The help and advice I received for yourselves was minimal and unhelpful. Yes I can expand on my reasons…………….
    It appears that the Volcano on this forum is beginning to erupt! I wish to state that I support the comments from Adam and others on this forum.
    I don’t have a lot of time to formulate my comments at the moment (I intend to be more proactive on this forum – and as you know I use no aliases) however an apology from your blunt and erroneous reply to me in #266 would be appreciated!!!!

    By the way, on your web pages you still claim that “we have never had a losing week”. What happened in week ending 24 Dec 2010. Was that not a losing week? Just a thought – Trades Description Act!
    I am amazed to see in your ‘how much can I make’ web page that you week ending 17 Sept 2010 has two ‘Thursdays’! Obviously a clerical error! Does the same clerical error apply to your declared profits?

    I have loads more to comment unfortunately short of time !

    Waiting for your reply.

    Comment by Myron — 11th February 2011 @ 6:24 pm

  390. Could Myron’s comment be construed as concrete evidence Steve/Jon?

    Comment by Mugged — 11th February 2011 @ 6:37 pm

  391. Myron, just to be clear, have you purchased the system?
    Jon, the only cause I would champion would be one you wouldn’t and that fairness and clearly people have purchased this and are not happy.
    Of course you will say that they haven’t used it properly.Is it that simple?
    As I have said already, a friend purchased this, had no success, let me try it and I used the manual and got the same results for about a month. I know all about races with 6 and 13 horses being unreliable, downwards trends one minute before the off, etc etc. IT DIDNT WORK!
    So don’t ask me to travel to Cheshunt without showing me evidence that I wouldn’t be wasting MORE of my time.
    Asking me to show you statements that lose money before you show statements that do make money is just idiotic. Steven says people who make money don’t blog here yet you do Jon. That dosn’t make sense either Jon. What’s in it for you?
    The whole thing stinks to high heaven. So either put up (statements) or shut up.

    Comment by Adam — 11th February 2011 @ 7:02 pm

  392. Adam, Yes. I met Barry etc (but not Steven)in Jan 2010 and in Feb decided to buy their system. The only proof I have is the software package and the deduction from my credit card.
    I have not received any VAT invoices (or any forms of receipt) from Equinex for monies paid for software licence nor for monthly payments for ratings. Hence it is their word against my credit card statements. (What will VAT man say)

    Have any other happy (or unhappy) clients received invoices from Equinex?

    Comment by Myron — 11th February 2011 @ 7:35 pm

  393. At least you have credit card protection Myron. They have safeguard all purchases. Many poor souls aren’t as lucky.
    For the benefit of the rest of us Myron please do present your betfair statements to Jon/Steven. Call their bluff on these so called statements that show all this profit.
    There must be some government statutory body that has an interest in all of this swindling of people. From what you have said hmrc would at least have an interest in purchases with no vat. Equinex is vat registered.

    Comment by Adam — 11th February 2011 @ 8:00 pm

  394. Adam,
    In #391 you mention “downwards trends one minute before the off”. This is commented quite clearly by Steven, Jon and Co on this forum.
    My question now is – When is one minuute before the off? – Who has the crystal ball to predict the delay? Nobody knows – but if you are losing, Equinex advise to syncronise clocks to the internet time etc.

    I’ll let other blogges to comment further.

    Comment by Myron — 11th February 2011 @ 8:01 pm

  395. One final point Myron. your bank statements are your evidence of ratings purchased.
    Your credit card transaction should be enough too.
    This scam needs exposed

    Comment by Adam — 11th February 2011 @ 8:04 pm

  396. They advise using William hill radio for delays Myron but even then who can predict when is the minute starting?
    I have far greater issue with how vague the graphs are on the minute before the off. Mine never agreed with theirs. Looking at next day screenshots were never like what I had saw and that’s with click sync.
    Equinex always have an answer, even blaming the distance to Ireland on this.

    Comment by Adam — 11th February 2011 @ 8:08 pm

  397. Adam, looking at next day screenshots is not good enough! Equinex’s next day screen shots do not show a time the screen shot was taken.
    Anybody can take say a dozen or more screenshots betwen ‘a minute before the start of the race’ and when the race actually starts.

    After the race has finished a screen shot suitable for its purposes can be selected and declared as the winning/losing screenshot.

    Any thoughts?

    If statistics/analysis (sorry for using scientific terminology – I was told by Barry that the people at Equinex – or developers of
    VSR are statisticians!) are used, it is possible, by reading the monies placed on a horse, to determine withiv a reason the time the screenshot was taken – tail end up or down – its your choice!

    Comment by Myron — 11th February 2011 @ 8:55 pm

  398. To be honest Myron I’m not convinced they do take screenshots to suit their purposes. If that were true they could claim a lot more. I saw occasions where I betted on what looked like a great downward trend and I won but they never claimed it and said it ticked up.
    Your example of Christmas week, where it didn’t make a profit could have been engineered to show a win for the sake of it, but it didn’t.
    What I would agree on is the lack of clarity. Is it ticking up or down? Your choice. Precisely. Which then reduces the thing to mere gambling. It is this in essence which makes this unprofitable unless of course Jon/Steve can produce evidence to the contrary.
    As much as they appear so eager to silence any dissenting voices against Equinex on this blog, they also are unwilling to use a very simple method of doing so by producing statements which will prove their point.
    Steven even said he would but couldn’t because of technology. The moderator offered him the opportunity and he didn’t respond. He has yet to address this point which I raised.
    Small wonder we doubt their sincerity.

    Comment by Adam — 12th February 2011 @ 12:42 am

  399. Oh dear Adam.

    Like I said I am here for the banter.

    Put up or SHUT UP?…… How very boring.

    And may I also say, if you used somebody elses software, even though they had been losing, why on earth didn’t you paper trail instead of losing money as you said?

    Read my blogs sunshine….. When I lost I then paper trailed and adapted how I used the system….. It’s not rocket science, but then again you are no quantum physicist!

    Enjoy your day COC (thats champion of causes)

    Comment by Jon — 12th February 2011 @ 12:24 pm

  400. More of the same. Patronising comments and no answer to questions.
    Whether I paper trailed or lost money is irrelevant.
    What is relevant is that using their manual IT DIDNT WORK.
    Apparently by Jon’s logic I am stupid as a result.
    Clearly you are not going to provide the evidence needed and that in itself raises serious questions about your credibility and identity.
    If you reckon I’m stupid matey, prospective buyers of this system reading this arent!

    Comment by Adam — 12th February 2011 @ 5:38 pm

  401. Jon, for someone who is such an admirer of Equinex why would you not want to display that by following their guidelines you are making the same kind of profits that thay advertise. As you are such an advocate of the cause surely it would be very simple for you to prove your point?

    Jon, it CLEARLY bothers you that people are criticising Steve/Barry etc however,having read previous posts, I see that when you invited enquiries from current Equinex customers who were experiencing problems , when asked, you failed to make contact using a variety of excuses?

    This blog is nearly 400 posts and 2 years old and yet still no proof, the very thing which would end this discussion once and for all.

    Jon, I believe the COC (that’s champion of causes) accusation should really be levelled at you?

    Since you seem to be SO concerned about the reputation of Equinex, why not dispel all the negative feedback by simply showing us (both current and prospective owners) that it really can work. Remember those of us that have bought the system genuinely want to see it work. We didn’t but it to lose money!

    And, please, don’t reply by suggesting that we discuss it with Steve because that road has been well and truly trod without success.

    So Jon, praise be, and show us where we all seem to be going wrong?

    Comment by Mugged — 13th February 2011 @ 7:00 pm

  402. Here here mugged!
    His posts now are predictable and boring!
    Plenty of noise but shallow on substance.
    He offered to ring people who had problems, someone offered and he didn’t bother. Could it be that his real identity might be revealed?
    Or could it be that he has no way of backing up all his talk? Maybe its both.
    Now he says he is only on for the banter. Another smokescreen to hide behind.
    One thing you can be sure of from Jon/Steven/Barry or whatever his name is, no hard evidence.
    If you had hard evidence in the form of Betfair statements mugged wouldn’t you just e-mail it to the guys on this and avoid wasting time posting for 2 more years like the last 2 he has been posting?
    It all points to one thing in my eyes. They prefer to keep the water muddied so that more gullible fools take that chance on the false dreams they promise.
    They can call me a champion of causes or whatever else they like I will continue to expose their deception

    Comment by Adam — 14th February 2011 @ 1:56 am

  403. So, Adam, why don’t you make an appointment to come to our offices and we will show you our systems working in real-time.

    You will see how well they make money when used properly, be able to count the profits as they happen and have all the evidence you need!

    That way – no one can deceive you .. can they? Unless of course, you just prefer writing blogs anonymously …

    Comment by Steven — 14th February 2011 @ 3:01 pm

  404. Steven,
    Have you actually read what I have been writing?
    This is the usual whitewash to convince people that it might just work.
    I won’t be wasting my time, as I said before travelling to your offices until I get some evidence that this works. My experience so far is that it dosn’t.
    Now Steven, will you answer my question?
    Why when the moderator offered you the opportunity to show Betfair statements on this blog have you not taken up that opportunity?
    You said it wasn’t physically possible, he said he would make it possible. And you haven’t taken up his offer. WHY?

    Comment by Adam — 14th February 2011 @ 5:23 pm

  405. For what reason would I possibly want to show my personal finances to someone I have never met, don’t know and who writes anonymous blogs? I am sure the vast majority of people would agree – it really is none of your business!

    Adam, you have never bought a copy of our software or sat with me and been shown how to use the system correctly!

    I have offered you the opportunity, to come to our offices on more than one occasion and watch me personally making money with the system in real-time .. and each time you have refused.

    Such repeated refusal leads me (and probably other readers too) to the conclusion that blogging is just a bit of a hobby for you.

    Be honest! Whatever proof you were given .. you wouldn’t be interested! More interesting doing what you’re doing – isn’t it?

    Maybe it’s just making money from horse races that raises your ire? Perhaps if we showed you how we can also use our software to make great money from football for example ?.. i.e Saturday £300 – Monday £100 – yesterday £0 (no score draw Fulham v Chelsea).

    But then again, perhaps not!

    Comment by Steven — 15th February 2011 @ 3:51 pm

  406. But Steven I am not interested in your personal finances I am looking for hard evidence that this works. Now if you are sitting with people using betfair accounts and making money as you say ‘in real time’ why can’t you provide that evidence? And once again I will ask the question, because each time you divert away from it. If you were willing to do it but blamed the fact that it wasn’t actually possible to reproduce it here, the the moderator said that he would facilitate you to make it possible, you never responded.
    Just like now you won’t respond to why you wouldn’t then provide him with that evidence.
    So the willingness was there but the excuse was it wasn’t possible. It has been made possible and you won’t do it. I wonder why there is this reluctance. Also the reluctance to answer my questions.
    You provide that evidence and I will come to your offices and you will shut up your critics on this. Deal?

    Comment by Adam — 15th February 2011 @ 5:07 pm

  407. Adam
    Steven doesnt read what you write that way he can answer any question he wants and avoid the issue.
    When are you going to buy mine back steve as you are the person that told me to stop using it 3 months after I bought it.

    Comment by andy b — 15th February 2011 @ 5:55 pm

  408. Andy,
    Post #297 is worth reading.
    Steven/Jon would make a great politician because he never gives a direct answer to your question.
    In post #297 his excuse was that he couldn’t upload betfair statements, the moderator said he would make it possible and he has been skirting the issue since.
    The standard response of Steven/Jon is beginning to sound like an answering machine.
    Anybody remember That’s Life and Esther Rantson? We need her back for this one!

    Comment by Adam — 15th February 2011 @ 6:43 pm

  409. Ok Steven/Jon I will make this easier for you.
    I will post my e-mail address on this and you can e-mail to me the betfair statements that you were going to give in post #297. You can send these by scan or whatever so there shouldn’t be any problem uploading them. You can also tipex out any private details. All I want to see is the bets and the wins.
    Since you think I’m just on this for the sake of blogging if I’m satisfied I will come to your trial.
    I will also come back on here and put on a post saying yes I’ve seen proof of profits. You are in a win win situation because you shut up all your critics and I would in all liklihood go ahead and buy your system.
    Now don’t say you can’t produce those statements because you could in post #297.
    Can’t ask for fairer than this.

    Comment by Adam — 16th February 2011 @ 1:21 am

  410. COC (you know who you are)
    Read blog 314 and 319…. End of it

    Comment by Jon — 16th February 2011 @ 8:18 pm

  411. No it won’t be the end of it and no amount of your arrogance or patronising will stop me holding Steven to #297.
    Its obvious there is something to hide. People reading this aren’t stupid.

    Comment by Adam — 17th February 2011 @ 12:28 am

  412. No, Adam. You really don’t get it … There is nothing to hide.

    People to come to our offices, learn how to use it themselves and make money while they are there and before they think about buying it. They are invited to go away and think it over or come back and try it out again – themselves.

    They have no anonymous third party telling them its bad or its great – just what they see with their own eyes – live and as it happens! They get to see profits AS they are made and can count the afternoon’s proceeds themselves.

    If they didn’t make money with the system and like how it works – they wouldn’t buy it.

    Interestingly, I just had a another call from someone who read this blog and your comments .. it appears it has encouraged them to come to see the system working for themselves.

    By the way – what’s your real name, Adam?

    Comment by Steven — 17th February 2011 @ 11:23 am

  413. Surprise surprise everything but an answer to the question. I’d say stand for parliament but sounds like your making more from the naive!

    Comment by Adam — 17th February 2011 @ 12:43 pm

  414. Adam,i really dont think you could afford this anyway.Reason being the amount of time you spend on this site you must be on the rocknroll.

    Comment by arch — 17th February 2011 @ 11:51 pm

  415. Not at all short of money arch, just wise about how I spend it and always looking opportunities.

    Comment by Adam — 18th February 2011 @ 12:23 pm

  416. Not been on here for a while but had an interesting phone call from Bristol constabulary today who seem to be taking an interest in this blog.
    It would seem they are investigating claims of fraud regarding gambling systems.
    Not sure where this is going but thought people ought to be made aware.

    Comment by David — 18th February 2011 @ 1:52 pm

  417. They contacted me too David.
    Alfred Gardiner (comment 363) was arrested last weekend on charges of fraud. He is not connected with Equinex

    Comment by Richard — 18th February 2011 @ 3:44 pm

  418. Hello Steven,

    Further to my comments on this blog #389 and others, further to my e-mails to you – I have still had no reply. You have responded to other blogs, however for some reason you appear to have no answers to my comments.

    Where are my VAT invoices for payment you received from me?

    Have you updated your web page – NO LOSING WEEK – Can you really prove your record of winning results.

    Why, on this blog, say that you would like to publish your betting statements, but are unable to do so due to the restriction of this blog?
    BEN – The moderator has offered to assist you – but so far you have had every excuse to avoid the Moderators assistance!

    Where is the help that Equinex assured me to make sure I benefited from your “system”.

    Possibly you are avoiding my questions! Maybe my questions are too intense for you to respond.
    Probably you have no logical/statistical/analytical answers!
    More likely you are the politician (sales man) who hides behind the screens and is too shy to confront certain questions.

    Steven – YOUR SYSTEM DOES NOT WORK !

    YOU HAVE NOT MANAGED TO CONVINCE ANYONE ON THIS BLOG OTHERWISE.

    I wait for your responce>

    Comment by Myron — 21st February 2011 @ 7:44 pm

  419. Well put Myron. O dear another unhappy customer. Yes Myron
    strange how his willingness to produce evidence by way of statements has become outright unwillingness.
    You don’t need to be a nuclear physicist to see why. And he wonders why I’m sceptical and suspicious! Reluctant to do his trials. It would be laughable only so many here have clearly lost money

    Comment by Adam — 21st February 2011 @ 10:34 pm

  420. Adam. You still don’t get it … There is nothing to hide.

    People to come to our offices, learn how to use it themselves and make money while they are there and before they think about buying it. There is NO grey area – they can see the money and prices they get AS IT HAPPENS. Then they can go away and think it over, buy it then and there or come back and try it out again – themselves and see the profit they make … as they make them.

    They have no anonymous third party telling them its bad or its great – just what they see with their own eyes – live and as it happens! They get to see profits AS they are made and can count the afternoon’s proceeds themselves.

    If they didn’t make money with the system and like how it works – they wouldn’t buy it.

    Interestingly, I just had yet another call from someone else who read this blog and your comments .. it appears it has encouraged them to come to see the system working for themselves.

    So – what’s your real name, Adam?

    Comment by Steven — 22nd February 2011 @ 11:20 am

  421. Hello Myron,

    As you have brought the matter up … you really should check your own records!

    You paid a 50% down-payment for your software on the agreed basis you would pay the outstanding balance on or before 9-8-10 which you did not do. You did not request a VAT invoice at the time however one is certainly on its way to you now.

    Regarding your ‘losing week statement’ .. you are referring to a 2 day period as the rest of the week was taken by the Christmas break. I hardly think 2 days constitutes a week by any definition.

    If you needed additional help to use the system correctly, all you had to do was call and ask for a session at our offices. So, please do!

    I will happily arrange to get together with you and help you to use the system properly, Myron. We will be able to sit together while I show you that the system clearly works and works very well when used correctly.

    Now you have my response – I shall look forward to your call to book a date for our meeting.

    Comment by Steven — 22nd February 2011 @ 11:28 am

  422. Myron,

    Unfortunately you have joined the long list of unsatisfied customers. You are completely right, in my opinion, the system does not work.

    I just cannot understand Steve’s reluctance to simply prove that it does work by displaying Betfair statements showing real bets and the profit/loss made over a period of time?

    In fact, why not show them now on a daily basis – starting tomorrow or whenever’s convenient. I’m sure that snapshots of BF statements could be taken similar to the shots of the “weight of money” graphs which are displayed on the website. The trouble with the snapshots of the graphs is that they could be one of any number taken around the same time and the most fitting one used. Obviously Steve would deny this, so daily posts of real bets made (over , say, a month) and genuine profit and loss statements would show everybody wether this worked or not.

    Surely, if this system really worked this would be the best possible (and free) advertising that the company could get!

    I look forward, with interest, in reading what outlandish excuses Steve comes up with this time for not doing this?

    Sadly, I don’t think that those who have been stung by this operation have much chance of ever getting any of our money back. We can, however, warn others of the dangers.

    Comment by Mugged — 22nd February 2011 @ 12:05 pm

  423. See Steven is still only answering the questions he wants to and disregards the rest.

    Comment by andy b — 22nd February 2011 @ 1:56 pm

  424. Steven,
    It’s a pity you don’t show half as much interest in answering the questions as you do my identity. One is a lot more important than the other! But then you have nothing to hide sure!!

    Comment by Adam — 22nd February 2011 @ 2:26 pm

  425. For all those who frequent this site and maybe take notice of some of the comments posted here. If you are regular visitor to this site , you will no doubt have read the posts from a Alfred Gardiner. Please allow me to enlighten you about Alfred Gardiner. He is a convicted fraudster and is currently on bail for fraud once more. This time its for a betting investment scam ie you invest 5-10k with him and he will reward you at end of each month with healthy profits….except he naver pays out…he just takes your money Goodbye!! He has a serious gambling problem and this is how he gets his money to gamble, from innocent investers who will kiss goodbye to their money. Well, Ive had the man arrested and Avon and Somerset Police are buidling a prosecution case against him. By the way, his real name is Alfred Gantner. (he has several alias) I hope this alert will prevent anyone else from falling pray to this fraudster.
    Regards to you all…Colin Mcnally

    Comment by Colin Mcnally — 25th February 2011 @ 8:46 am

  426. Whats happening on here peeps?
    Had another good day today…. Plus found out I’m going to be a Great Uncle and I blagged 4 tickets for England v France tomorrow…. Happy Days…. Passing the Bolly round to all my fellow bloggers

    Comment by Jon — 25th February 2011 @ 9:08 pm

  427. You are so full of **** Jon. Just forget that a guy has been arrested for fraud and this sites full of unhappy customers

    Comment by Adam — 27th February 2011 @ 6:52 pm

  428. Equinex VSR-X, I have been n touch with this organisation as they claim to offer a no loose betting system and I would apprechiate any comments from people who have a record of success from the system or record of failure befor I committ to buy.

    Thanks in anticipation of your comments…….Leo

    Comment by Leo Williams — 28th February 2011 @ 9:37 pm

  429. Leo it would be a good idea to read through these pages.
    Steven offered Betfair Statements to back up his claims and when offered the facility is now refusing to do so.
    BE VERY CAUTIOUS.
    A lot of unhappy customers on here that have lost a lot. He of course claims they used it incorrectly. Can everyone be wrong?

    Comment by Adam — 1st March 2011 @ 2:11 pm

  430. Hi Steven,

    Thanks for your reply (#421)!

    With reference to my 1st instalment for the purchase your software and monthly payments to enable me to download your ‘ratings’ and use your live-odds system, I still have not received any invoices from Equinex.

    Had you read and reacted to my e-mails (see #389 and #264) or responded to my phone calls personally, I would not have had the need to discuss these matters with you on this site, however you have left me with no option.

    In your #421 you have purposely disclosed what should have been confidential customer information, ie: information known only to Equinex and myself regarding my chosen method of payment for your software!

    Yes Steven, I have, and always do, check my records – unlike other people!

    One of the main points in my e-mail was regarding my 2nd instalment for your VSR-X Racing System software.

    Can you now check your records and comment on the following:

    1. I visited your offices in January 2010 where Barry attempted to demonstrate to me, in the presence of my son, your VSR Racing System combined with your live-odds software. Unfortunately, during the demonstration, Betfair’s server crashed, hence the live demonstration was not able to be fulfilled. However Barry did manage to describe to me, and my son, on paper and with the aid of historical screen shots how the system works.

    2. During my visit I asked Barry if the purchase price was negotiable, to which he replied that it was not; however, he said, I could purchase the software in two instalments, the second of which would be paid from my profits from the system.

    3. Your Web page “What does it cost?” also indicated the option of two instalments, the second payable, and I quote, “(from your profits)”.

    Steven, in my first e-mail, I mentioned that 6 months have elapsed since my purchase and I have not yet made any profits, only a considerable loss. In my e-mail I was asking you for help and advice as to how to overcome this situation. Let’s not forget that I phoned your offices and re-emailed and yet sent another e-mail, all to no avail.

    You did reply to me in #266 saying: “Sharon said you called and said you had emailed on the 20th and 28th to this email address. I have been right through it and found no email from you so could you please re-send.”

    I did re-send, re-email and also on the 17th October 2010 sent a reminder as follows:

    “Hi Steven/Barry
    Do I now assume that you are ignoring my e-mails – or are my questions too difficult to answer.
    One excuse of misplacing my e-mail could be plausible – but not to reply to my copy is not acceptable.
    Steve, be professional and reply to my questions.
    You attempt to reply to most comments on the Blog site – Should I therefore post my questions there?
    In my view it appears that your after service and loyalty to your customers is very poor.
    Don’t give me any excuses of ‘technical problems’ or staff off site – just give me a reply – by e-mail on Monday 18th October 2010.
    You have had plenty of time to respond to my initial query!
    Regards
    Myron

    PS. I have now found THE BLOG SITE where I read with interest you have many problems! – Not many happy users!”

    but still no response from Equinex!

    Steven, after deliberating for a considerable amount of time, I am now convinced that your ‘horse racing package’ does not work and your customer response requires some addressing.

    You appear to avoid answering certain questions. You have responded to my #392, but have failed or ignored my #389, #394 and #397.

    I thank you for your invitation to revisit your offices (see #421) to show me how well the system works, however I currently decline this offer as I am now convinced that your system does not work, unless your replies to my above mentioned comment convince me otherwise.

    Steven, the Sales of Goods act (section 14) states:

    “If the buyer expressly or impliedly makes his purpose for the goods known to the seller, the seller is obliged to make sure the goods provided are fit for that purpose, if it is reasonable for the buyer to rely on the seller’s expertise. “

    During my discussions with Barry at your offices, I mentioned, as probably every other visitor does, that I was interested (ie: the purpose for the goods) in the VSR software to make a profit as advertised by yourselves in the national press, and had no doubt on Barry’s or Equinex’s expertise.

    The Sale of Goods Act makes it an implied term of the contract that goods be as described of satisfactory quality and fit for purpose. As you are in breach of contract I am rejecting the VSR software and request that you refund the sum paid to you.

    Comment by Myron — 1st March 2011 @ 9:31 pm

  431. You are fortunate Myron that you did not pay the full amount and you purchased by credit card. I would advise you to speak to the credit card company. Steven has no history of providing refunds as David and Andy will testify. It’s quite disgraceful that customers have no protection other than this as Trading Standards are not not interested and these crooks take advantage of that fact.
    Steven happens to be more clever than Mr Gardiner but long runs the fox.

    Comment by Adam — 1st March 2011 @ 11:44 pm

  432. Myron,

    As stated previously, “now you have requested an invoice one has been sent to you”. It was posted on 24th February 2011. We have the recorded delivery tracking number.

    We have searched our systems and back-ups and can still find no email(s) from you asking for assistance at any time. If we had, we would have replied and arranged help for you immediately.

    As requested previously – please be so kind as to re-send the original emails you mention. Surely, they would still be on your system?

    Regarding your point #1. I have checked and found you are correct in saying there was a problem with the market servers on the day you came to our offices for a live demonstration.

    You arrived at 12 noon on 25th January 2010 and did have the benefit of a lengthy live demonstration. The market servers dropped out at 1:33pm and the Exchange engineers started to repair work immediately.

    The were back up in time for the 1:50 race then dropped out again only to be back up in time for the later races.

    In all we have screenshots showing the system was down for 7 races but fully operational for 18 of them. Out of these there were 4 qualifying selections which were posted for all members to see along with all other screenshots. 3 of these won and one lost.

    You called 2 weeks later to arrange your software purchase which works fine when used properly.

    If you feel you need a training session to help you gain a clearer understanding of how the software works I would be quite happy to help you – all you have to do is call and arrange a mutually convenient date.

    Comment by Steven — 2nd March 2011 @ 3:03 pm

  433. Adam,

    Take some chill pills mate….. You really are getting stressed out about something which really is no concern of yours….. Interesting post from Myron btw

    Comment by Jon — 2nd March 2011 @ 3:49 pm

  434. It’s every concern of mine a**h***e. You haven’t provided a shred of evidence to back up your claims.
    Yes Myron’s post is interesting and you should ask yourself why.
    Still nothing from Steve about the Betfair Statements.

    Comment by Adam — 2nd March 2011 @ 5:38 pm

  435. Oh deary me COC………… Every concern of yours is it? Lol what a sad life, or charmed life you have when this is the only concern you have…. Very melodramatic COC, do you bang the tambourine for the Salvation Army in your spare time? Oh, and resorting to asterisks really is juvenile as well

    Comment by Jon — 2nd March 2011 @ 8:28 pm

  436. Steven,
    I must confess that I was correct in believing that you would react to posts on this site, having ignored all my e-mails and phone calls. However your reactions do not provide complete answers; you choose to respond to selected questions with the predominance of avoiding the main issues.

    In response to your #432, firstly I acknowledge receipt of an invoice from yourselves, received on Saturday 27th February which confirms your posting on 24th. However, that invoice does not relate to my pre-payment and monthly fees paid for your ratings. MY REQUEST TO YOU IS STILL OUTSTANDING! Surely it cannot be too difficult to comply with my request; in fact I believe it is a legal obligation to supply invoices! Without my required invoice(s) from you I cannot easily prove that I have paid you any monies. I STILL AWAIT FOR THIS DOCUMENTATION!

    Secondly, you may be advised to review and upgrade your computer systems and/or your administration of such systems. Should e-mails not arrive at a destination the sender receives a message from his Mail Delivery provider notifying the sender of a miss delivery with reasons. I have not received any notifications of failed e-mails that I have sent to sales@equinex.com. Yes, I have checked and this is the same address that you use sending me e-mails! How many times do I need to re-re——re-send the said emails? Yes, Steven, the e-mails in question are still on my system; in fact I cut and pasted my last e-mail to you in my #430.

    Let me continue. In your #432 you adequately answered my point No 1 in #430. Where are your replies to points 2 & 3 in #430? Where are your answers to my #418, #389, #394 and #397? I am aware that not all of these comments were addressed to you, but they all contain concerns regarding Equinex’s betting system.

    Further, can I refresh your memory on your comment #297 where you say: “As far as I am aware, due to the format of this blog website it is not possible to post graphic content such as Betfair accounts. “ I assume you imply you would post your accounts if it were possible!
    In the same comment Ben (I assume the moderator) offers you aid by saying: “you can email me any images you’d like to publish and I’m upload them for you and provide the links.”

    Steven, why have you not accepted Ben’s help?

    In my #430 I mentioned that: “The Sale of Goods Act makes it an implied term of the contract that goods be as described of satisfactory quality and fit for purpose. As you are in breach of contract I am rejecting the VSR software and request that you refund the sum paid to you.”! Please also refer to the previous two paragraphs in #430.
    Can you now arrange a refund of all monies I have paid to you and I will return to you your VSR software!

    Finally, Steven, you quite often end your comments by offering a training session to help enquirers gain a clearer understanding of how the software works. In my #430 I declined this offer, waiting on your replies. As I have shown, you have not yet fully replied. Please do so, then I may reconsider your offer.

    Comment by Myron — 2nd March 2011 @ 8:39 pm

  437. I choose now to ignore you Jon, Barry or whatever your real name is. You have nothing constructive to say and like Steven (if indeed u aren’t he) you chose to ignore valid points, numerous well founded complaints, and offer evidence and phone calls of assistance them refuse.
    People can judge themselves what they here, only a fool would now invest in this.
    Many thanks for your report Myron. Revealing.

    Comment by Adam — 2nd March 2011 @ 11:09 pm

  438. I am with Myron here and want my money back too. I also quoted the sale of goods act quite a while ago and it is NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE.

    MONEY BACK PLEASE NOW.

    Comment by andy b — 3rd March 2011 @ 8:58 am

  439. Lol, you people do make me laugh…… you bought into something that you hoped would give you the returns quoted, and quite rightly so….. However I can gurantee that most of you that are complaining all the time on here have either deviated from the system when in a losing run, not run a paper trail version when unsure as to what you’re doing, and certainly never taken up the Company offer to revisit where you may or may not be going wrong!
    You quote this, that and the other but you can rest assured that if you decide to go down whatever legal route you choose with the Company then they will be able to call on God knows how many satisfied customers who can prove that they have benefitted from using the system CORRECTLY but have also allowed for any idiosyncrasies in relation to time differences, trends on graphs etc etc.
    And as for any of you thinking that I am Barry, Steve, Uncle Tom Cobley or anybody other then who I am named as on my blogs, you are up there with Gadhafi in ‘la la’ land.

    Comment by Jon — 3rd March 2011 @ 10:54 am

  440. PS. Apologies for the incorrect spelling of guarantee on the third line of my last post.

    Comment by Jon — 3rd March 2011 @ 10:55 am

  441. Steven,

    Your computer system does need urgent attention as you have posted two “Tuesdays” on your Web “Recent Profits Screen” for this week. Obviously your updates of your profits/lossed on your web are manually entered.

    I have saved a screen print for my records.

    Comment by Myron — 3rd March 2011 @ 2:53 pm

  442. Jon

    In post 439 you qoute
    ” the Company will be able to call on God knows how many satisfied customers who can PROVE they have benefitted from the system..”

    Jon, never mind “God knows how many…” I think we’d be happy if just ONE satisfied customer could PROVE it.

    Simple, show us the bets that were actually placed (i.e. Betfair screenshots) that correspond to the system guidelines.

    Show us just ONE?

    Comment by Mugged — 4th March 2011 @ 1:27 pm

  443. Jon,

    If your are able to quote that:

    “the Company will be able to call on God knows how many satisfied customers who can prove that they have benefitted from using the system CORRECTLY but have also allowed for any idiosyncrasies in relation to time differences, trends on graphs etc etc.”

    then you must have inside knowledge of the Company!

    Do you work for them?

    Comment by Anon — 4th March 2011 @ 2:18 pm

  444. No I haven’t and no I don’t anon/adam

    Read my early blogs to see how I struggled then through patience and following the system, paper trail or money I got it to work

    Comment by jon — 5th March 2011 @ 9:26 am

  445. Still nothing from Steven on Ben’s offer to show Betfair Statements.
    And Steven tells me he has nothing to hide!
    I’d advise to guys to ignore his sidekick. We want answers from the organ grinder!

    Comment by Adam — 5th March 2011 @ 11:45 am

  446. JON in reference to 439, I can quarantee you that I never deviated from using the system, it lost. I have mentioed in earlier blogs that a regular user on this site told me that he had stopped using the place and win system,(that I bought into),earlier in the year that I bought mine. The reason being that it had stopped producing results and that same person was paper trailing through that year and it still produced no results,apart from bad ones. That person is you,so can I assume that if I go to a small claims court I can rely on you to be a witness for me.

    Comment by andy b — 5th March 2011 @ 4:35 pm

  447. Evening all…… Thats a peculiar comment Andy B…… The only people that I have spoken to are the Company people (Steve,Barry , Boulent & Sandra) about this system, certainly nobody who comments on here….. think you may have been duped mate into thinking it was me?
    Perhaps it was Adam,Richard, CONNED or somebody else from the past?
    Anyway sorry I cant be of any assistance….. You should go and get some advice from the Company then get it working for you?
    On a different matter I would be interested to know who has been pretending to be me?

    Comment by Jon — 6th March 2011 @ 7:54 pm

  448. Andy B,
    In blog #446 you say you HAVE NEVER DEVIATED from using the system correctly. To demonstrate HOW UNTRUE that is I thought this would be a good time to post an excerpt of an earlier blog showing how well you follow basic guidelines and why your testimony clearly cannot be relied upon:
    (For the sake of space comments such as ‘correct’ have been left off but it can be viewed in full in blog #352) …..
    “In blog #341 you state “I HAVE NEVER sent you a race with 12 runners or any of the others”.
    NOT TRUE! A report you sent us showed your wins, place bets forecasts and losses, Out of 77 selections you made, the following is a excerpt of comments were reported back to you showing that HAD YO STUCK TO THE SYSTEM as printed in your Manual, you would have been in clear profits. It soon became clear this was ignored too:
    Non-runner. This horse did not compete!
    Apprentice jockey/’boy rider’
    Apprentice jockey
    Another Non-runner
    Apprentice jockey
    Amateur race
    Amateur
    Apprentice jockey
    Flat NH
    Apprentice jockey
    Amateur
    Flat NH
    Apprentice jockey
    Amateurs AND A 21 RUNNER race !!!
    Apprentice jockey
    Amateur AND 20 RUNNERS
    Amateurs
    Apprentice jockey
    Apprentice jockey
    NO! Not top J or T

    A 24 RUNNER AMATEUR race – be serious!
    Apprentice jockey

    Correct – came 2nd in this 18 RUNNER race .. WHY didn’t you Place bet it?

    ANOTHER “SELECTION” THAT DIDN’T EVEN RUN!!!

    This is the 14:20 NOT the 14:40 – and was a Selling race
    Amateurs
    Missing selections ?
    Apprentice jockey
    This horse came 2nd. Place bet WON – NOT A LOSS
    Amateurs
    This is a PLACE bet – NOT A WIN BET
    Apprentice jockey
    Selling race

    correct – but a short priced win bet in AN 18 RUNNER Maiden Hurdle?
    Amateur – Fell
    Apprentice jockey
    Andy, as I said before .. I think that seeing what you were doing (from YOUR OWN RECORD sent to us by you) was clearly contrary to our advice and was not just a perfectly good reason to advise you to stop using it – it was the right thing!

    Comment by Steven — 7th March 2011 @ 1:13 pm

  449. Am I the only blogger here that is continued to be fascinated by the evasion of Steven from as far back as post #297 on his offer then refusal of betfair statements?
    It’s speaking volumns but then he has nothing to hide he keeps saying!!
    Steven you can run but you can’t hide. Surely after 2 months you must have thought of a way off the hook?

    Comment by Adam — 7th March 2011 @ 2:31 pm

  450. Hi Steven,

    Any chance for a reply to my #436?

    Comment by Myron — 7th March 2011 @ 3:17 pm

  451. Steven
    If you had bothered to read what I said after this which you never do I stated that at this time when I sent you this I was not that bothered about resding the forecasts any more as they had failed continually for me and if have read earlier blogs JON confirmed to me that the system had stopped working earlier in that year. So yoyu sold me something that your biggest supporter had was not working. Money back please.

    Comment by andy b — 8th March 2011 @ 6:58 pm

  452. Andy, it clearly serves to prove the point beyond all doubt that you were not using the ratings properly nor did you take the trouble to read he guidelines and follow them (see #448). If you had, you would not have made so many fundamental errors.

    The software works absolutely fine and the Ratings it produces can and are used for profit in many ways. All you had to do was apply yourself properly.

    Perhaps you might like to re-read what Jon said as, once again you have managed to only look at the bit you wanted.

    Comment by Steven — 10th March 2011 @ 12:07 pm

  453. LOL. You have a nerve Steven telling anyone they only look at what they want when you have been evading my questions for almost 2 months.
    Again, why did you offer to produce betfair statements and appear to be now refusing Ben’s offer?
    Still saying to me you have nothing to hide??

    Comment by Adam — 10th March 2011 @ 5:22 pm

  454. I dont need to read what JON wrote as I have spoken to him a few times in the past. Once again he was the one who told me the Place and Win system was not working when you sold me mine.
    Money back please.

    Comment by andy b — 12th March 2011 @ 8:25 am

  455. Andy B,

    Read blog 447 and cease, from reading this, saying that you have spoken with me when I know that you haven’t!

    Continue to do so and I am sure that my solicitor can find something that suitable to take YOU to court over.

    Thank you

    Comment by Jon — 12th March 2011 @ 11:57 am

  456. Adam, its quite simple really. As I said before, what is the point? You are completely anonymous. I do not have a clue who you are or why I, or anyone else for that matter would want, or need to prove to you … whoever you are … how much money I or anyone else makes.

    I KNOW it works and that’s enough for me.

    I am also happy to show it to any like-minded, serious enquirer who has the wherewithal to buy it too if happy.

    Anyone who wants to find this out comes along to our offices is shown how to use it then tries the system THEMSELVES .. in real-time .. using our money!

    They can SEE the profits they make .. as they make them .. themselves .. with THEIR OWN eyes! They really don’t need you … whoever you are … or anyone else to tell them what to do.

    If they were not impressed and 100% satisfied after trying it out themselves – they wouldn’t want to buy, would they? Quite simple really!

    Interestingly, we have now had a couple of visitors who have read your comments felt they had to come in to try it out for themselves … and bought a copy for their own use. So, thanks!

    Comment by Steven — 12th March 2011 @ 2:13 pm

  457. “I know it works and that’s enough for me”.
    It’s not enough for the rest of us. You don’t even have to show how much you are making, I said earlier you could tipex out confidential info. All we want to see is the evidence of wins, now is that really asking too much?
    Now is that really the best answer you can find after all this time?
    Still dosn’t explain why you were willing to show betfair statements, Ben offered the facility, and you have been skipping around having to do it since.
    Wouldn’t anyone kill for all the FREE advertising it would give to prove this works and kill off all the speculation that has been happening on this blog over the years?
    Wouldn’t it be Steven’s final shot at shutting up all of us doubters?
    People seriously interested in this need to ask themselves questions about this continued reluctance after first of all offering and then offering nothing but excuses. Well done Ben exposing this charade.

    Comment by Adam — 12th March 2011 @ 5:02 pm

  458. Steven,

    How much commission are you paying Adam for introducing new visitors to you (as you say in your #456) who bought a copy for their own use????

    Is this just sales talk or your imagination?

    BY THE WAY, A REPLY TO MY #436 IS LONG OVERDUE!!!!!!!!!

    Adam,

    With your commission you may consider buying your own copy of this wonderful profit making VSR-X software!

    Comment by Myron — 12th March 2011 @ 9:40 pm

  459. Adam,

    I hope you appreciate my sarcasm in my #458 but it’s about time that Steven put on his thinking hat and started answering some questions truthfully!

    Comment by Myron — 12th March 2011 @ 9:53 pm

  460. Hi Myron.
    Yea commission is the only you can make money from Equinex. I used this system for about a month and trust me it don’t work.
    [sentence removed by Ben]
    Its impossible to get their results or even close. They claim wins that are just vague and the average user would be gambling to get.
    What’s more a few losses wipe out a load of wins. It’s just like the bookies or a casino these online exchanges, the house always wins.
    Steven and Equinex benefit from 2 things Myron.

    1) People’s willingness to always believe they can win or get ahead. When they lose it makes them try harder to get it back.

    2) The laws of this country that allow these companies to get away with it. Trading Standards aren’t interested.

    You have the advantage Myron of purchasing by credit card. Others should go to small claims. It only takes a sympathetic judge.

    [Edit by Ben: This comment has been edited as it has come to my attention that it was quoting a part of the selection criteria of one of the Equinex selection guidelines which is apparently the subject of a legally binding non-disclosure agreement signed by all purchasers.

    Please refrain from posting anything that is part of any type of NDA on this blog. Thank you.]

    Comment by Adam — 13th March 2011 @ 1:32 am

  461. Apologies for that Ben, but the point I was trying to make was I have used this system according to their guidelines.
    I’m convinced they get people onboard because there are more winning days that losing ones, that’s seen at the trial.
    The problem is the losing days may be less but they wipe out the winning ones and much much more besides.
    The casual observer could easily be lead to believe this works by just seeing a few winning days. It’s actually quite clever but also very deceptive.

    Comment by Adam — 15th March 2011 @ 2:23 am

  462. Steven,

    I am being very polite – and BLUNT!

    How are you!

    Hope you are well!

    Have you enjoyed your holiday – I mean your holiday from not answering my questions on this blog!

    I the past you have totally ignored my e-mails! (Oh, I now remember – you never received them! However my records prove they were sent to you at the correct address and not returned!)

    Let’s be honest – I have never met you! – I don’t even know you! – YOU have never met me!

    We have only briefly spoken on the phone for two or three occasions -each time was with me asking for assistance with my losses using your racing system. Every time we spoke on the phone, you failed to resolve my losses with your “VSR – live-odds” – call it what you want system! You always had an excuse that you were required elsewhere, and would ring me back.

    Yes, you have, in my early stages of purchase (or shall I say a “down payment”) of your software, phoned me, then e-mailed me with advise not to to back certain races, advice NOT GIVEN TO ME AT MY FREE TRIAL AT YOU OFFICES, to minimise my losses! You gave me various excuses, after my purchase of your system, as to why I should be cautious with your ratings!

    Maybe you have lost your copies of your e-mails to me, as you quote you lost my e-mails to you.

    No, Steven, I have copies of ALL corresponding e-mails!

    For example; in one of your e-mails to me you say:

    “Hi Myron,

    Thanks for your email. I am out of the office for a short while this afternoon but will call you later today to go over a couple of races with you.

    Best regards,

    Steve”

    That e-mail was no help whatsoever!

    Bye the way, Steven, you have not yet replied to my questions on this forum for some time!

    WHAT ABOUT A RESPONCE TO MY #436

    Or shall I have to simplify each question in my #436 to ensure that you are able to comprehend them?

    Maybe it is too complex for you to respond to! Maybe you do not fully understand it’s contexts? If so, don’t fret, get in touch with me.

    IT CAN NOT BE TOO DIFFICUILT TO RETURN MY MONIES THAT I HAVE PAID TO YOU FOR A SYSTEM THAS DOES NOT WORK!

    Should I be wrong, why are you reluctant to reply to my blogs or phone/e-mail me!

    Comment by Myron — 16th March 2011 @ 12:42 am

  463. Myron,

    I have told you repeatedly that we have scoured our systems and find no email from you as you describe. I have asked you to resend them and on each occasion you say you did. We do not have them! So, if you want me to reply you will have to send the originals so I can answer them.

    I would like to state as clearly as possible .. there is nothing wrong with the software you purchased. It works great! There are many ways of making money with the information it produces.

    Yesterday I sat all afternoon with a nice gentleman from north of Aberdeen and we made money in the 2:30, 2:40, 2:55, 3:05 and 3:20. (If you would like to see a record of these bets you are welcome to make an appointment to come to see them. I have all the Bet ID’s from the Exchange available at our offices!)

    How is it that I can do this while you say doesn’t work ???

    Comment by Steven — 16th March 2011 @ 11:58 am

  464. Yes Steven that might be possible. What you conveniently admit to reveal is what even one loss can do!

    Comment by Adam — 16th March 2011 @ 4:43 pm

  465. No Adam, we show losses as well as wins.

    Also, without being shown how to read the charts properly you wouldn’t be able to apply the guidelines correctly.

    Perhaps you would prefer using our excellent trading software to bet on horses that you can see on TV are just about to cross the line, Adam. You wouldn’t have to worry about reading charts or budgeting for the odd loss then.

    Comment by Steven — 16th March 2011 @ 5:59 pm

  466. Steven,

    When will you start answering posted questions? No way is your #463 a reply to my #462.

    However regarding your #463 I have two comments to make:

    1. Below I have pasted the dates and times of my e-mails to you (for security reasons I have purposely obliterated my address). These e-mails most certainly arrived at their intended destination! No professional company would deny receiving these e-mails or admit losing them without replying!

    From: m######@hotmail.c##
    To: sales@equinex.com
    Subject:
    Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 15:44:31 +0100

    Hi Steven/Barry

    It’s been a while since I have last been……………………………………..

    From: m######@hotmail.c##
    To: sales@equinex.com
    Subject:
    Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 10:30:18 +0100

    Dear Sirs,

    I am still waiting for your comments re my e-mail to you on 20 September 2010.

    From: m######@hotmail.c##
    To: sales@equinex.com
    Subject: FW: Copy of e-mail 20th Sept
    Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 08:57:51 +0100

    From: m######@hotmail.c##
    To: sales@equinex.com
    Subject: FW: Copy of e-mail 28th Sept
    Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 08:58:26 +0100

    From: m######@hotmail.c##
    To: sales@equinex.com
    Subject: Reply now required – this is my 3rd e-mail
    Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 18:43:16 +0100

    Hi Steven/Barry

    Do I now assume that you are ignoring my e-mails

    2. On Tuesday you declared a £70 profit. In your #463 you say you made money in 5 races. Assuming you were betting at £100 stakes with an average win of £55, you would have to have made two losses in order to only achieve a £70 profit. Just imagine, if you only declared another one loss, you would have made a loss on that day.

    Steven, am I correct in stating that the 2:40 race was a 19 horse race? Somewhere on this blog I have read that you do not bet on races with more than 13 horses!

    I would like to hear your comments on the above.

    Comment by Myron — 17th March 2011 @ 12:46 am

  467. Hi Myron,

    Thanks for that! Now, can you please send them to admin@equinex.com and I will be able to reply to them.

    In #463 I said I made money on the 5 races that I actually had time to do myself. I didn’t say it was solely made using the place system, although it was partly and partly from setting up trades using our ratings.

    As I have said several times before … there is more than one way of using the ratings profitably. All you have to do is apply yourself.

    The selection in the 19-runner horse race (2:40 Chelteham – 16.3.11) you refer to happened to result from me showing a client one example of yet another way of using our software … and thanks for bringing that one up. The name of the horse was Bostons Angel – the winner!

    And .. Yes .. before you ask .. I do have proof!

    Comment by Steven — 17th March 2011 @ 1:26 pm

  468. Hi everyone,

    I’ve only just come across this blog and haven’t had a chance to read the whole thread yet. I’ve been an Equinex subscriber for a couple of years and am delighted to see other Equinex users here. I would be happy to share my own experiences with the Equinex ratings, as well as my experience of meeting Steven and Barry. I’ve felt for a long time that one of the failings of the Equinex service has been the lack of a forum for subscribers to exchange views freely.

    I’ll post again when I’ve read more carefully and have a feeling for the opinion of the community. My own view is that the Equinex ratings *do* have value but it’s impossible to replicate the retrospective results that they publish every day *after* the races have finished. It’s easy to take yesterday’s racing results and tell people what races they would have bet on, even when those decisions contradict their own guidelines. I’ve never managed to achieve the weekly profits they claim. NEVER.

    Ryan

    Comment by Ryan Smale — 17th March 2011 @ 9:34 pm

  469. Hi Steven,

    Many thanks for your prompt reply and congratulations, you actually responded to my two comments in #466.

    Steven, I have always e-mailed you at sales@equinex.com, and you have always sent me e-mails from the same address. These facts I can prove, if required, from my records!

    Let’s refer you to your post #266 where you quote sending me mail from

    From: Equinex Sales
    Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 5:23 PM
    To: m$$$d&$&k@h$t$ail.co$$$
    Subject: MIssing emails

    which I received as:

    From: sales@equinex.com
    To: m######@h#####.c##
    Subject: MIssing emails
    Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 17:23:09 +0100

    Steven, asking me now to e-mail to “admin@equinex” is a very poor excuse.
    I am now closing my enquiry regarding “Missing e-mails” and am rating your answer to this query with a very poor score of zero (0/10)!

    Regarding the 5 races you mentioned in #463; I am now beginning to understand that your system can work; “All you have to do is apply yourself”. As you quote : ”In #463 I said I made money on the 5 races that I actually had time to do myself.”

    By that quote I understand that you need a crystal ball to make sure you have NO TIME to bet on loosing races! If I managed NOT to back loosing races – yes, I agree, I would be making money!

    You quite often quote on this forum to “STICK TO THE GUIDELINES!”.

    Do not back races with more than 13 horses!

    Steven, I have been to you office for a demonstration of you software and following my purchase (albeit by a down payment) I received a manual explaining various methods. At your presentation I was shown Method 1 and only Method 1. As it was explained to me other methods take time to comprehend and it is advisable to concentrate initially only on method 1. Hence I very much doubt that you would have demonstrated to a newcomer other methods.

    Let’s not try making up excuses for betting in a 19 horse race!

    If there really are other methods (apart from loosing), why are these not fully explained in the purchaser’s £4500 (or now £5062) software manual!

    Steven, you yet need to convince me, without the use of a crystal ball, that your system works!

    I keep the topic in this comment ongoing.

    Comment by Myron — 18th March 2011 @ 1:35 am

  470. Myron,

    If using the Place system we you should stick to the Place system guidelines.

    If using roll-over dutching, you’d stick to the guidelines for that.

    If using one-click instant betting you’d follow the format for that.

    If using SPT Dutching you would follow the format for that.

    Surely, you must have wondered why we produce ratings for ALL races regardless of field size? No crystal ball needed …

    Comment by Steven — 18th March 2011 @ 2:55 pm

  471. Myron

    Follow these various guidelines and you will lose you shirt. They do NOT work with any longevity.

    The VSR software is pretty naive and basic compared with others on the market that will perform tasks such as “Dutching”, “backing the winner in play” or “one click betting” and a host of other functions considerabley better.

    The question is wether access to these ratings is worth circa £5000?
    THEY REALLY ARE NOT!

    Although they maybe a useful tool for Gamblers researching their own selections, that’s all they are.

    To sell this as a Business Opportunity is misleading. It is gambling through and through.

    I challenge Steve, Jon or anybody else to prove on this site that ANY of the suggested systems actually work over a year. A month even.
    Steve is using this site as a vehicle to entice people to a demonstration where he or Barry will gain people’s CONfidence by showing them what they want them to see. But a CON it is!

    If you visit them, ask to see Betfair IDs for the month/year and see 1) Do they corresspond to the selections shown on the results page of their website? 2) Does this “business opportunity” acheive the income as suggestsed? and 3) Who, out of all these apparently satisfied customers, has actually done well out of this?

    People, this is an ongoing, well praticed CON! You will NOT make the money Equinex claim.

    Comment by Mugged — 18th March 2011 @ 5:50 pm

  472. Interesting reading! I was thinking of investing in the Equinex system and it seems this blog has saved me some money. I was particularly interested to read Ryan’s comment – I’ve never managed to achieve the weekly profits they claim. NEVER. – That seems pretty definite to me. Their website and blurb is very convincing and I think it is easy to get taken in even though in reality it does seem unbelievable. The old adage seems true here. If it seems too good to be true, it probably is. I was searching for opinions of this system before purchase so thanks for giving me the info I needed. The money stays in the bank lol.

    Comment by Ronnie — 20th March 2011 @ 8:41 pm

  473. STEVEN why no proove all the doubters wrong by increasing your own bets over the next few weeks,possibly only days, then with the profit you can buy back mine and others software. That you can quarantee will shut us all up. How can you say no its foolproof.

    Comment by andy b — 21st March 2011 @ 3:25 pm

  474. Mug ged
    You really have not got the foggiest idea of what you are talking about.
    Let me explain .. The VSR software is designed to produce a report showing the top-rated horses for each race for which the data has been entered.
    It is a highly accurate analysis. It does not and can not place bets.
    However, we also supply a FREE copy of ExPort exchange trading software to all subscribers to our data entry service. As far as I am aware, it has the largest flexible dutching calculator on the planet – ideal for golf and many soccer markets as well as horseracing. It has built-in trading functions that I personally prefer to any other trading software. Either way, it is user-friendly and easy to understand.
    Another thing you need to understand is all the exchange trading software in the world will not do you one bit of good unless you have a good idea which way the odds are likely to go next. There are two major factors that will have a bearing on which way the odds are going to go next .. and one of them is the way the horse will perform in-running.
    To be able to form trades on price movements effectively, you need a good analysis – and that is exactly what we have. And don’t bother saying it isn’t – we have over 12 years of archives showing clearly exactly how accurate it is and all results can be independently verified.
    Anyone wishing to test our software themselves comes to see it and use it .. themselves. They get to use real money and see the profits they make – as they make them – themselves! Some even go away and think it over before buying or come back and try it again before they do.
    Now how do you get people to believe it doesn’t work when they are doing it all themselves – in real time?
    Should we tell all the people that have used it all these years to stop – they must be doing something wrong because they’re making money?
    Nice try, oh anonymous one!

    Comment by Steven — 22nd March 2011 @ 7:42 pm

  475. Steven

    Please don’t try to blind me or others with apparently technical blurb. Because, you see Steve, I know EXACTLY what I’m talking about. I’m very familiar with your so called ratings. The results you proudly claim to acheive are retrospective. You know it and so do I.

    If you are so confident why not show the profits that you ACTUALLY realised not what you MIGHT have done.

    How do you sleep at night? On a bed of other peoples money I suppose.

    By the way, your reults are independantly verified by who? Racing Post, Sporting Life, Betfair or Barry Shepherd by chance?

    Comment by Mugged — 22nd March 2011 @ 9:31 pm

  476. You are a lucky man Ronnie. My friend who purchased this system discovered this blog AFTER purchasing. Too late. This blog is extremely worthwhile as there appears to be no other way people can verify the results of purchasing this system. Hardly any wonder Steven dosn’t ignore it and regularly contributes.
    Ryan’s contribution is interesting indeed. You have said Ryan that you cannot achieve the same results as Equinex yet you have been a subscriber for several years. It would be very enlightening to the rest of us if it’s not being too intrusive to ask how much are you actually are making? Is it significantly less than Equinex?
    Would you in fact recommend this system as worth purchasing at circa £5,000? Many of us are very dubious. The majority opinion here is that this is a con.

    Comment by Adam — 23rd March 2011 @ 1:37 am

  477. Okay this discussion seems to be more of a mud-slinging match on both sides than I want to enter so I’ll stick to the facts as I see them. [Mr Moderator, I have tried to be unbiased here, and also not to give away too much proprietary information].

    I paid just under £5,000 for the Equinex software. This software allows you to enter information about the day’s racing and it eventually produces a set of ratings on what it thinks are the three best horses for each UK race of the day. The reality is that the process is lengthy and laborious and takes at least a couple of hours to research and input the data to get the ratings. The software looks as if it was written by a teenager in his bedroom at least ten years ago, and it probably was. It is very old-fashioned and irritating to use. It doesn’t conform to Microsoft’s style guidelines and I suspect (although I’m not a lawyer) that it breaches the Disability Discrimination Act because anyone who can’t use a mouse cannot use the software.

    So let’s be honest here, the five grand isn’t to buy some crappy software, it’s actually just a membership fee to join the club. I’m sure Steven will protest at that statement but he’s a shrewd businessman and he knows that’s the reality of it. Because guess what? If you can’t spare 2+ hours a day to get the ratings you can pay him a standing order of £80 a month for someone else to do it so that you can download them at about lunchtime every day (6 days a week). And that’s what I do, along with many others I’m sure and those £80 a month from us all are a nice regular income for Steven.

    When I started with Equinex I had ‘training’ from a guy called Barry. The trouble is he couldn’t decide what he was selling. I thought he would show me their VSR system which uses the ratings to select certain races to place back bets in the place market on the Betfair exchange. Trouble is Barry kept saying things like: “you could have a great reverse forecast here” or “that race is a hunter chase so I wouldn’t touch it” none of which has anything to do with the VSR rules. So I left very confused and spent several months going it alone and losing money. Sure, they offer everyone the chance to visit them in Cheshunt but if you don’t live anywhere near Hertfordshire that’s not so easy.

    The fact is though, there *is* some value in those ratings. They do actually analyse each race fairly well and in the three runners they pick for each race the winner is often (in fact more often than not) in those three. So it’s wrong to dismiss the ratings as useless. What you need is some rules to interpret them and the VSR rules are quite good as far as they go. The rules do some standard things like only selecting races with a certain number of runners, and only selecting horses whose odds are within a given range.

    Then things get harder because in the time before the race you need to watch the graph of Betfair odds and money matched, and then shortly before the off you need to decide whether to place a bet or not. The example they provide with the rules is nice and clear but in reality with the clock ticking every graph looks different and that is why I have never made the same profit as Steven claims. It’s hard to look at the graph and decide whether it meets the criteria.

    The following day at lunchtime Steven publishes a nice screenshot of each race from the day before showing the Betfair odds and the graphs for the three runners selected by the ratings. It’s a nice effort but so often they say they would have backed it because of x even though it contradicts the reason why they didn’t back another horse the week before. Of course it’s easy to look at the graphs for yesterday’s races and tell us which ones we should have backed but so much harder to look at a graph with a minute to go and decide if that jumble of peaks and troughs constitutes the market stabilising or a trend. So no, I have tried and tried but I don’t think anyone could get the results their retrospective screenshots claim.

    The other problem is that all the bets are odds-on (i.e. at decimal odds of less than 2 on Betfair). So it’s frequently the case that you have one losing bet and two winning ones and yet you still make a loss. The losses can easily wipe out any profit.

    In fairness to Steven it’s hard to quantify my results because I keep tinkering with my selection criteria and my staking in the hope of wringing more success out of the thing. I suppose on average by staking £100 on around five races a day I probably make £50 a day profit and that keeps me subscribing. But remember that some days I might lose £300 so you need to be prepared for that. It is betting after all.

    I’ve only recently discovered this blog and I have nothing to hide so if anyone’s interested I’m willing to try to be more organised about recording my results in the weeks and months ahead, and even share Betfair P&L statements if that will help anyone.

    Ryan

    Comment by Ryan Smale — 23rd March 2011 @ 8:00 pm

  478. ‘Ryan’,

    Many thanks for your comments about your use of the VSR ratings. From what you say it is obviously quite some time since you saw Barry at our offices.

    VSR was built in 1998 using a platform that has really versatile database management and accounting muscle but is not strong on graphics.

    We were more interested in something to do the job properly rather than just look good. Also, you have to bear in mind that although it doesn’t sound that long ago in 1998 a laptop from AJP Business Systems cost £2,000 and had a ‘state of the art’ 2Gb hard drive!

    However, I take your comments about the VSR program on board and will look at re-developing a prettier, easier version. Either way, there is no short-cut to producing the ratings. To be that accurate requires a lot of input data and our data entry clerks use that same program to produce the ratings daily for all subscribers.

    When it was first released, there was no data entry service and we all input the data ourselves. Doing so made us much fussier about what type of races we were prepared to input and gave users more of a ‘ground level’ understand of what the data meant.

    These days I speak to many users that haven’t even bothered to read the manual (because they just download)- or certainly haven’t read between the lines properly as there are many clues in the way the data and accompanying information is presented.

    If you would like to call me at the office and make yourself known I will be happy to arrange to show you something that will certainly enhance what you have been doing with the ratings.

    Comment by Steven — 24th March 2011 @ 10:34 am

  479. Ryan,
    Thanks for getting back, the information you are providing is invaluable since you the first person (I think) on this blog who has actually produced figures and is willing to substantiate that with betfair statements.
    For all Steven’s claims in newspapers etc about making amounts like £60,000 per year, I believe your figures to be more realistic and looking at them in detail this is not worth purchasing.
    Based on your figure of £50 per day, doing that 6 days a week only produces an average of £15,600 GROSS. From that you pay £960 per annum to Equinex and have to deal with losses of up to £300 in one day? I’m sorry but by anyones standards that is not worthwhile, it would take at least 6 months to recoup your investment and you would earn more in a part-time job and without all the frustration of having losing days/weeks.
    Several questions for you Ryan. Have you considered upping the bets to larger amounts? Also are you trading for odds to shorten or place betting? I would be interested in seeing those statements if I publish my e-mail address here?

    Comment by Adam — 24th March 2011 @ 12:06 pm

  480. I see that Steven as usual has not bothered to commment on blogs he doesnt like. So the question is do you doubt your system are you saying that you could not win the money to buy back these sets of software, thats what it looks like. So ONCE AGAIN

    STEVEN why no prove all the doubters wrong by increasing your own bets over the next few weeks,possibly only days, then with the profit you can buy back mine and others software. That you can quarantee will shut us all up. How can you say no its foolproof.

    Unless of course you dont believe in your own system!!!!!!

    Comment by andy b — 24th March 2011 @ 2:57 pm

  481. Adam asked some reasonable questions. The bets are place bets on Betfair, not trading where you back and lay at different prices. I just place my bet before the off and wait for the result.

    Have I considered increasing the stakes? Yes I have but remember this is the place market, not the win market, so the liquidity is a lot less (i.e. you can’t bet big stakes without distorting the odds). Also if you get several losers in a row it gets pretty hairy.

    Steven may say I’m doing it wrong but by way of example I followed the VSR rules EXACTLY to the letter today and my Betfair P&L shows 11 UK races today (Steven’s screenshots the following day only cover the afternoon but I continued with the evening racing at Kempton), although I had to go out for 2 hours between about 4.30 and 6.30 so I missed several races. Nevertheless today will give you an idea of what it’s like.

    Using £100 flat stakes we started with four consecutive winners: 1.63, 1.31, 1.59, 1.74. After deducting Betfair’s 5% commission this gave me profits of: £59.80 + £29.40 + £56 + £70 = £215.20. If I had stopped there I would have been very happy but I continued to follow the rules and got 3 losers in a row (at odds of 1.56, 1.85, 1.84) which gave me losses of £300 so I then had an overall £84.80 loss. The next three qualifying races were winners: 1.47, 1.35, 1.36. After deducting the commission these events gave me profits of: £44.60, £33.20, £34.20 which swung me back to a profit of £27.20. The final qualifying race of the day was a loser so I lost £100 on that which brought my outcome for the day to a LOSS of £72.80.

    So in summary, I bet on 11 races of which 7 were winners and made a loss of 0.73 points. It’s not always like this. On Tuesday I had eight races of which six were winners and I made a £172.50 profit.

    Steven may say I’m not following the system right but I assure you I am doing my level best to follow the rules EXACTLY.

    Comment by Ryan Smale — 24th March 2011 @ 10:12 pm

  482. That is extremely helpful Ryan, and much appreciated.
    I concluded when I followed the guidelines that too much was vague and open to error and interpretation either way. Unlike yourself I consistently lost as a result.
    You appear to be in profit otherwise you wouldn’t keep paying for the ratings, but my question is over whether it is enough to make it worthwhile. Would you consider the figures quoted in my previous post to be accurate in terms of what you are actually making in hard profit annually/monthly? Would the average net profit for the month be more or less than say £1000?
    I can see totally where you are coming from in regard to ‘level best to follow the rules exactly’, it seems to me that that is the best ANYONE can do with a system so ambigious.

    Comment by Adam — 25th March 2011 @ 1:10 am

  483. So there we have it Steven doesnt trust his own system,once again no reply.

    And JON no reply to my e-mail?

    Comment by andy b — 25th March 2011 @ 5:52 pm

  484. Ryan
    I followed the rules exactly for 4 months, lost money, was told by STEVEN in the december to stop using the system as it was not working he has since made other statements on this site saying that it has always made a profit this is a lie.

    Comment by andy b — 25th March 2011 @ 5:55 pm

  485. Andy have you thought of taking legal advice?
    You have been asking for a refund for over a year and to be honest its getting tiresome mate. He isn’t going to give you it and he is ignoring most of your posts.
    It only takes 1 sympathetic judge at a small claims court to get your full amount back. I think it’s disgusting that Equinex dosn’t offer refunds when clearly many cannot make this work. The law needs changed to protect people better

    Comment by Adam — 25th March 2011 @ 10:55 pm

  486. Adam, you’re very perceptive actually. I have continually tinkered with the VSR method (in some cases deviating from the rules) in an effort to wring a little more profit out of it so Steven could quite rightly say my results aren’t accurate. I would say that averaged over the last year my profit has been about £1000 a month with £100 stakes but because it’s unpredictable I can’t live on it and have to do casual work. This is a catch 22 because my work means I sometimes miss the racing. So for example on Friday afternoon I didn’t have time to get home so I found myself sitting in my car in a motorway service area following the system on my laptop. In the end I wish I hadn’t bothered because I had a few connection problems with my Vodafone dongle and missed several races. I stuck it out into the evening and ended up with a £73.90 loss. However Saturday was better and resulted in a £244.50 profit.
    Ryan

    Comment by Ryan Smale — 28th March 2011 @ 9:57 am

  487. Can I ask Ryan how much do you follow the details of the ratings and how much do you depend solely on the graghs?
    Your profit figures are interesting. Difficult to guage how many hours you are putting in but its put a different angle on how I am looking at it now.
    You are the first person on this blog that has been this helpful in suggesting actual figures to make it worth considering. Obviously Steven’s opinion is somewhat bias and Jon’s opinion is worth nothing because he is just spouting off and can’t back anything he says up with hard evidence.
    I’m considering going for a trial. If I put my e mail address up could you send me your betfair statements? You can tipex out any personal details.

    Comment by Adam — 28th March 2011 @ 11:49 am

  488. Adam, I follow the VSR system rules as closely as I can so that means filtering the races and runners from the Equinex spreadsheet according to the rules, and then using the graphs shortly before the off to decide whether to bet, and on which runner. I have no objection to sharing my Betfair P&Ls but in practice it may prove impossible because I do follow other systems on the UK racing as well (eggs and baskets) so I’m not sure I can show you a statement of Equinex bets alone. However if you need any reassurance that I’m in no way connected to Equinex (other than as a ‘member’) I’m happy to continue this conversation offline if you wish. If you send me a mail to M8R-592h33 at mailinator.com I’ll respond.

    As a matter of interest today’s racing closed an hour or so ago and my eye-watering Equinex results were as follows: -£100, -£100, +£38, -£100, -£100, +£48.40, +£41.80 = a total LOSS for the day of £271.80. Are you really sure this is for you Adam??
    Ryan

    Comment by Ryan Smale — 28th March 2011 @ 6:49 pm

  489. Adam
    I find a lot of this tiresome but if my contribution stops other people making the same mistakeas me, Buying this sofware, then Ive done good In have infact stopped a few people that have phoned me my number is on this blog. I also think it is a good idea to give steven the chance to prove these comments wrong by increasing his own bets to buy back from me and other people. As you will and others have noticed he chooses to ignore this showing how much faith he has in his own system. NONE

    Comment by andy b — 29th March 2011 @ 2:37 pm

  490. I am very interested in the VSR system, but i am not too confident how good it is after reading some off these coment.Some feed back would be much appreciated, thanks.

    Comment by stuart — 29th March 2011 @ 7:38 pm

  491. Interesting post Ryan (488).

    You recorded a net LOSS of £271.80. Equinex recorded a loss of £41.

    Also interesting is VSR-X website regarding profits – I quote “Profits shown are to illustrate POTENTIAL profits”, not REAL profits though.

    Would be good to show POTENTIAL LOSSES too lol!

    How did you prosper on Tuesday 29th Ryan? Equinex are showing a profit of £293.

    Comment by Mugged — 30th March 2011 @ 2:45 pm

  492. Sorry, Equinex are showing a POTENTIAL profit of £293 (Obviously not actual profit)

    Comment by Mugged — 30th March 2011 @ 2:50 pm

  493. I am a Equinex user. I would also like to comment on the selection criteria for horses. Equinex are constantly contradicting themselves with to why one horse was a selection, but another one wasn’t. It is quite clear they do this to make their figures look better than they are. The results that Ryan is getting are similar to mine. I am sure if Equinex played the system in real time their profits/losses would be somewhat different to what is published on their website.

    Comment by Peter Smith-Walkden — 30th March 2011 @ 3:14 pm

  494. Mugged, it has to say potential profit. If you left the room instead of putting the bet on or decided to do something completely different like sit on your PC anonymously hobby-blogging then your potential outcome is going to be different.

    Ryan – obviously not your real name as we do not have a customer called Ryan, if you really had such a different total you are clearly doing something wrong. That can be easily fixed with a little coaching session. As I said previously, you are more than welcome to call and make yourself known and I will arrange to spend time with you to help you get it right!

    Comment by Steven — 31st March 2011 @ 12:04 pm

  495. And there lies the real question Steven. How much will really be made not what might be made? The internet is full of systems claiming fantastic historical results but hey, guess what, just like yours, as soon as you start using them they hit a rough patch.

    So many people, so much discontentment.

    Regardless of wether Ryan is using a pseudo name or not makes no difference. He has CLEARLY been using your system to the letter and makes the equivalent of a part time job!

    Real proof is the key Steve. My earlier challenge in post 471 still stands – ” I challenge Steve, Jon or anybody else to prove on this site that ANY of your systems actually work over a year. A month even.”

    Show us the money.

    Comment by Mugged — 31st March 2011 @ 2:29 pm

  496. Oh yes I forgot to say, Steve, you seem to have plenty of time to sit at YOUR PC (or have someone do it fot you) and take snap shots of graphs for all supposedly relevant races every day, so I’m sure the quick click of a bet at the same time wouldn’t be too much trouble for a man of your apparent capabilities.

    Comment by Mugged — 31st March 2011 @ 2:34 pm

  497. Steven

    Do I take it that you do not operate the graph place sytem yourself ? I find that very strange if it make the profits you claim. Why wouldn’t you get one of your employees to operate the system for you if you don’t have the time. I’m sure you don’t pay them the £80 grand or so per year which equates to the £60k tax free ? Very odd indeed as they would only need to do it part time for you. The graph sysytem which you use to sell the system and showcase profits ( which you never actually made) does not work as you claim.

    Comment by Peter — 1st April 2011 @ 7:49 am

  498. 1 more point Steven

    I refer to your post 492. Can I take it then that you don’t actually put the bets on all the time or were you refering to what a mark, sorry customer, might do?

    Because if you don’t actually place the bets then how is that, as you say in your sales BS and post 474, “all results can be independantly verified”. BY WHO? LOL!

    If you DO place the bets then you’d have NO problem proving them on this site would you?

    Comment by Mugged — 1st April 2011 @ 9:34 am

  499. If this system really worked the Steven would prove everyone wrong by increasing his own bets and buying back the software of disgruntled customers. SIMPLES

    Comment by andy b — 4th April 2011 @ 4:20 pm

  500. O dear another disatisfied customer @ Peter.post 493.
    The average reader has to conclude that this would be mad to invest in at anything beyond a part time wage for part time hours.
    Can I ask Peter what you average monthly profit is?
    Many thanks for your contact details Ryan, will be in touch soon.
    The downfall of this system is lack of clarity. Steven may do all he likes to disguise that but post after post on this blogs make it very apparent.

    Comment by Adam — 5th April 2011 @ 11:21 pm

  501. @Adam

    I make around £60 per day profit to £100 level stakes. Many times there are graphs which are 50 50 regards selection. It comes down to guess work, if the selection wins it invariably appears on the equinex screen shots as a selection, if it loses, you guest it, it does not. The problem being it is very easy to decide whether there should be a selection the day after when you know the result of the race….. The ambigous nature of the graphs makes it very very difficult for one person to get the same results as another.

    Comment by Peter — 6th April 2011 @ 11:58 am

  502. Hi Peter,

    I haven’t looked on here for a while and just saw your comment.

    IF you are a genuine user and not just another hobby-blogger or competitor using an alias, please contact me and quote the blog number of your comment below and I will gladly help you rule out any ambiguity you may feel as well as substantially improve your returns to the £.

    Comment by Steven — 6th April 2011 @ 1:50 pm

  503. Thanks Peter.
    £60 a day is better than losing but is that after loses?
    Hardly worth £5000, part time job might pay the same.
    Yes ambiguity seems to be the word cropping up a lot

    Comment by Adam — 6th April 2011 @ 2:45 pm

  504. Thank for that Steven but if you are bot operating the system yourself, are you ? I fail to see how you can getvrid of the ambigous nature of the process. Your guys asses the graphs the next day. Maybe if they operated it in the same way I have to you would understand the problem.

    Comment by Peter — 6th April 2011 @ 9:21 pm

  505. Peter, I operate it most days as I show it to people live.

    As I said in #502 .. please contact me and quote the blog number of your comment below and I will gladly help you rule out any ambiguity you may feel as well as substantially improve your returns to the £.

    Up to you!

    And Adam, whoever you really are .. even someone who needs a little help and only getting £60 a day is still producing an income that equates to over £18k a year tax free for 15 to 20 hours a week in front of a PC.

    You don’t want much for your £5k do you. Oh .. nearly forgot! You have never bought a copy yourself and been to the office to see how to use it properly … have you?

    At an average of 4 selections a day that would equate to a 25% ROI or just over an average of £20 an hour. That must be nearly as much as you get, Adam for all the daytime blogging you do.

    Comment by Steven — 7th April 2011 @ 1:00 pm

  506. Hi all,

    It is now Thursday 7th April 13:10pm and Equinex still have not decided which horses have won/lost using their system for racing on TUESDAY 5th April!

    There is nothing yet published on their ‘profits’ web page.

    Something is not quite right!

    Comment by Myron — 7th April 2011 @ 1:11 pm

  507. So what is it Steve, £18K p.a. or £60k as you claim?

    I think Adam or anybody else for that matter is entitled to know what he can expect for his £5K (plus the £1000 or so p.a. subscription).

    People buy into this expecting a damn sight more than a risky £18K.

    It beggars belief that you still have the audacity to contest so much dis-satisfaction from so many customers, but I guess therein lies the CON – your well rehearsed CONfidence in swindling folk out of their hard earned!

    If all results can be “independantly verified” (that’s not what you MIGHT have won, by the way) then show us where the £60K is won year in year out.

    Comment by Mugged — 7th April 2011 @ 1:15 pm

  508. Correction, I meant WEDNESDAY 6th April, not Tuesday!

    Comment by Myron — 7th April 2011 @ 1:32 pm

  509. Steven,

    Do you use the graph system every day, the system with the published results on your website ?? If that is the case, then great, you can prove the doubter wrong by showing your live selections instead of having to rely on screen shots after the event, which clearly people are skeptical about. You are in an excellent position to shut the doubters up. I’m sure you know more about horse racing than the vast majority of people and therefore your knowledge coupled with the system I am sure you could make more than me. BUT that in all honesty is not what you advertise……….

    Comment by Peter Smith-Walkden — 7th April 2011 @ 2:25 pm

  510. Eventually Wednesdays profits of £27 have now been declared and published. Obviously it was not too difficuilt, after seeing the race results, to avoid declairing the three losses which matched all Equinex’s criteria! It sure was a matter of timing – take a screen shot every 10 seconds and, if the horse looses, select a screen shot with the tail pointing up.

    Comment by Myron — 7th April 2011 @ 3:35 pm

  511. Myron

    That’s very scathing of you. However, Steven has just stated he uses the system so he will be able to show some real time screenshots and results etc.

    Comment by Peter Smith-Walkden — 7th April 2011 @ 3:55 pm

  512. Peter,

    I have to be realistic. I have used and analysed this system for 6 months and have found the declared results unachievable, the backup to training full of excuses and an apathy from Equinex to reply to queries at their will. E-mails, copy e-mail, sent go unheeded with requests to send more copies. Answers to direct questions avoided, let’s say no more.

    Peter, I understand that you live in Walkden. If so I am just round the corner in Bolton. It could be of interest to meet up and discuss our experiences. What are your thoughts?

    Comment by Myron — 7th April 2011 @ 4:20 pm

  513. Myron

    I’m happy to discuss my experiences with you. How can I get in touch ? Have you tried the other uses of the system such as trading etc ?

    I’m sure Steven will show his results as he stated he operates the system daily….

    Comment by Peter Smith-Walkden — 7th April 2011 @ 7:57 pm

  514. Myron

    Reading back along the blog. I noticed you paid via a credit card, did you attempt to issueca chargeback ? I’m sure if you are not happy with a purchase for valid reasons etc they would issue a chargeback ….,,,

    Comment by Peter — 8th April 2011 @ 7:42 am

  515. How has trading went for you Peter?
    As an Equinex subscriber I have to say I have found the published gragh results unachievable also

    Comment by Richard — 8th April 2011 @ 4:51 pm

  516. Not good Richard, how about you ? Maybe we should make our selections the next day like Equinex then we can get the same results as them !!! Steven says he uses the system yet there is no evidence of it, the more I think of it the more I feel like I was conned, its most annoying…..

    Steven do you operate the graph system ? Do you get the published results ? If so prove it ??

    Comment by Peter Smith-Walkden — 8th April 2011 @ 5:31 pm

  517. A lot of successful trades Peter but since the profit margin
    Is roughly 15-20%, I can never get ahead.
    If you making £60 a day it can’t be all bad. It’s better than I’m doing. I’d be delighted with that

    Comment by Richard — 8th April 2011 @ 6:30 pm

  518. Richard

    Truth is I don’t average £60 day, it pains me say it but I cannot make the graph system work I did average that fir one week a few months ago but in the most part I lost money

    Comment by Peter — 8th April 2011 @ 7:00 pm

  519. Peter,
    I’m afraid you are mirroring my own experiences.
    Anyone interested in comparing results please e mail me on r.brown253@ntlworld.com
    I came on this blog hoping for signs of hope or encouragement, it’s disappointing to read these pages

    Comment by Richard — 9th April 2011 @ 9:08 am

  520. Peter,

    To avoid confusion, are the comments by ‘Peter’ and comments by ‘Peter Smith-Walkden’ by the same person?

    Re: #513, I’m not sure as to how to get in touch as I am not keen to disclose my contact details on this forum at the moment. Let’s wait a while and see if anybody else is keen to meet up. If so this could be the start of a useful user group meeting for existing and previous users and interested parties.

    Yes, I have tried the trading system – interesting but too risky!

    Peter Smith-Walkden, I would not hold my breath waiting for Steve to show his results as he stated he operates the system daily…. In previous blogs Steven promised to publish his Betfair accounts but was unable to do so due to the limitation of the format of this blog. The Moderator offered Steven assistance but so far Steven has refused!

    Peter, Re: #514, I have not yet attempted to issue a chargeback but fully understand that I have the option to do so. The time will come.

    Richard,

    Can I ask you if you are the same Richard who started posting on this forum in #199?

    To briefly explain my experiences of using this system, I managed to achieve approx 95% of Equinex’s declared wins; however, I achieved 100% of their losses plus many, many more. This tends to prove that I was following their guidelines but Equinex were not declaring all their losses. I do have a lot of back-up screen shots to support my comments.

    Comment by Myron — 9th April 2011 @ 10:48 am

  521. Myron

    Yes it’s the same Peter. Have you had any contact with Steven ? Does he answer your emails etc ? It would seem he is miss selling this sytem. A chargeback maybe is the best option. Card companies hate this sort of thing. How long have you got to go on your chargeback period? If there is enough interest on here would could all report this to the office of fair trading etc and take sine sort of action such as small claims court etc

    Comment by Peter — 9th April 2011 @ 11:25 am

  522. It’s would also be posible to claim back expenses incited through a small claims court

    Comment by Peter — 9th April 2011 @ 11:30 am

  523. Yes Myron those were my earlier posts.
    I purchased the system in Jan 2010 and am deeply unhappy.
    Steve has told me it has been poor quality racing, he has also said my timing is out being located in Belfast. My brother-in law also purchased and has lost badly. I’m hoping the new racing season changes things but to be honest I’m very disillusioned and what I am reading here has not helped.
    However I’m not ready to give up just yet and if anyone wants to compare results please e mail me

    Comment by Richard — 9th April 2011 @ 2:01 pm

  524. Peter,
    I have made preliminary enquiries, this is outside the remit of the small claims court. A small claim is sums less than these.
    Someone has said in an earlier post they contacted trading standards and they won’t touch anything connected with racing.
    I would encourage you all to e-mail me, we can compare results and experiences and if necessary ultimately take action together.

    Comment by Richard — 9th April 2011 @ 2:24 pm

  525. Steve to be honest is full of BS . How can he claim poor quality racing since Jan 2010 that over a year ! Also since when has the quality of the racing mattered to his graph place method ?

    Comment by Peter — 9th April 2011 @ 2:32 pm

  526. Richard I am with you if you can come up with action to take. This system does not work otherwise Steven would have taken me up on my challenge. Place larger bets to buy back systems, he has never commented on this even though I have put this on here about 5 times. Draw your own conclusion but I think he just stating that he himself is not willing to risk his money as he knows it doesnt work.

    Comment by andy b — 9th April 2011 @ 3:11 pm

  527. Peter and Richard,

    Thanks a lot for your honest replies. I fully appreciate your comments as I am in the same situation as yourselves.

    I have noticed a seven day absence from Steven to attempt to defend himself on this forum. Let us all be realistic, Steven will be reading this blog daily – so far his refusal to respond must show his guilt!

    Comment by Myron — 9th April 2011 @ 3:12 pm

  528. Peter thank you for your e-mail. Andy, Myron, and Ryan please also e-mail me.
    I would appeal to any other dissatisfied customers to also e-mail me. We have far more success operating as a unit, comparing experiences and
    If necessary taking action.

    Comment by Richard — 9th April 2011 @ 3:16 pm

  529. andy b,

    I would be interested to know if you live somewhere in the North-West. If so it may be possible to meet and start a user group to discuss our situation in more detail. If we are geographically too far separated, it could be possible to action a user group via e-mails, skype conferences etc.

    Whichever way, we must start action to warn potential new people of the disasters from purchasing the VSRX system!

    I await you comment.

    Regards

    Comment by Myron — 9th April 2011 @ 3:28 pm

  530. Myron,
    A user group was the idea I had.
    Unfortuntely I am in Belfast but am willing to join this group by e-mail or even fly across.
    The skype conference is a very good idea.
    Andy b you have been very persistent I think you would find this useful

    Comment by Richard — 9th April 2011 @ 3:34 pm

  531. Ok Steven as you can see there are many dissatified customers if you truely stand by your system you would issue refunds to unsatified customers. Any legitimate company would offer a refund to customers who are not satisfied with their product. Thing is you cannot make everybody happy and no matter how good a companies product is there will always be dissatified customers. Legitimate companies deal with these in a professional manner and give immediate refunds as they know these are isolated cases. The problem with your product is that the majority of your customers are dissatified as you tell lies to sell it. As a result of your snake oil salesman tactics you won’t give refunds to dissatified customers because you know it and I know it, too many of your customers would want one. I challenge you to prove me wrong. Prove that you are not the con man I think you are. Come on Steven do you stand by your product enough to give dissatified customers a refund. I believe you don’t . I believe you are a con man

    Comment by Peter — 9th April 2011 @ 8:13 pm

  532. After only a few days posting my e-mail address and appealing to people to e-mail me with their experiences I have received almost 10 replies from people with similar experiences.
    When the gragh system failed and kept failing for me I was told by Steve that it was probably a time lag problem with me living in Northern Ireland. I was told that no else had reported a problem in reading the graghs, my situation was quite unique and it was all very weird.
    I have discovered in the past few days that not only have other people experienced the same problem with graghs but they also have been told that no one else has a problem. I am angry about this.
    I am now building a case to go to a barrister in England and I would again appeal to anyone with evidence to e-mail me.

    Comment by Richard — 10th April 2011 @ 10:44 pm

  533. “O what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive”.
    You guys need to get together and go for the throat this is one huge deception and God know’s how many have fallen for it and wrote the £5000 off as a bad experience.
    Steven is making his money from all those people who give up. He depends on people not taking due diligence, and fast turn off of people giving up and not going after their losses in court. Most can’t be bothered with the hassle or the expense.
    This scam needs maximum exposure.

    Comment by Adam — 11th April 2011 @ 12:34 am

  534. Apologies. ‘fast turnover’ that should read. Hence the national press coverage.

    Comment by Adam — 11th April 2011 @ 12:35 am

  535. Amazing! I show people most days how the system works then trade with it in front of them, in real-time in the middle of being distracted and chatting and still make profits.

    If I can manage it under such conditions then anyone following the process as advised by us and applying themselves properly (and not drifting into gambling on hunches or hopes) can do the same.

    Anyone who comes to see how it works is shown how to use it then allowed to use it and watch the profits as they come in – before they buy.

    Nobody is hoodwinked, as you would imply, Adam (BTW which competitor do you really work for?) Everybody gets answers to all their questions openly and honestly and can go away to think it over or come back and check the whole thing again if they wish.

    There are no lies that can be told when the person buying can use it all before making a decision. Every person is emailed a copy of our VSR ratings before any racing takes place – normally, daily for a week before they come to see us.

    They can clearly see our ratings show the winners or placed horses in virtually every race of the day – every day for which they are produced and are probably the most incredible sports trading tool of all.

    When at our offices potential customers get to fire bets into the market when the guidelines are met. They get to see the results as they come in. When they have checked the ratings and used the information, if they are happy with it they buy a copy for themselves.

    This process has continued for many years and we still have VSR customers who first started using our ratings and subscribing to our data entry service well BEFORE Betfair was even launched. Obviously, this would not be the case if it didn’t work!

    The simple fact is every now and then, someone claims they lost but followed the guidelines and yet on closer inspection they haven’t. Most of the time we discover a simple mistake that‘s crept in but is easily rectified with a little support and guidance from us. It is almost always something that they didn’t realise was an error and have carried on innocently making the same mistake. However, on the odd rare occasion, despite the amount of time and effort dedicated to helping get someone onto the right track, the advice is ignored. More often than not they are either a gambler and will not heed any advice or have been prone to making rash selections for the wrong reasons.

    Speaking of which .. Richard; you might want to mention that your own internet service provider also told you that you have a time lag problem and it was outside their control too .. and that you only called them after we had tried both Remote Desktop and synchronising screenshots by telephone on several occasions.

    Once I had identified you certainly had a time lag problem I coached you in trading methodology as a way around it for you and from what you had said you were staring to do well. I guess something changed again.

    As I hadn’t heard from you for a while I assumed you were back on track. However, if you need help all you had to do was call.

    Comment by Steven — 11th April 2011 @ 2:01 pm

  536. Steven

    You make your graph selections the next day. You don’t even operate it yourself. If it worked you would use it yourself, but you don’t because you know it does not work.

    Comment by Peter Smith-Walkden — 11th April 2011 @ 2:24 pm

  537. Steven,

    It isn’t Richard, Peter, myself and many others who need who need help, it is you yourself.

    You are somewhat blinkered and do not see reality.

    You do not listen to people and you always attempt to demean them.

    You do not answer awkward questions.

    You promise to publish your Belfair accounts and fail to do so.

    You publish your racing selections a day after the races.

    You state that your system works if a person makes a decision one minute before the race – when is this supposedly minute to start – why don’t you display a clock on your selected real-time snapshots?

    I am now placing you a challenge. Telephone conferencing is now extremely cost effective and easy to set up. As you quote you (or your staff) take real time snapshots – which means a decision is made in real time – your staff (not a computer) is assigned to monitoring races on a live situation and making split level decisions. My challenge is as follows. Invite four or five people who sceptical of your system, to be on-line with you during the races for an entire month and, at the time (one minute before each and every race) declare via the conference call your decision. I, probably amongst many others, would be eager to participate. Using this method should not cost you any extra in your staff time, as you always quote, you take live real-time snapshots. With this challenge you will be able to put some credibility into your results. Should you decline this challenge without valid reasons, your snapshot reports of your performance will be deemed to be fraudulent.

    Comment by Myron — 11th April 2011 @ 4:09 pm

  538. Yes Steve my Internet service provider did say there MIGHT be a time delay issue beyond their network but they also said there ping test was fine.
    At the time you may remember you said that situation was unique.
    Unheard of before that anyone may not get the same graphs at simultaneous time. Well guess what? I’ve been hearing all weekend by e mail from subscribers that were told exactly the same thing. No one else has a problem reading the graphs. It is this that today I am justifiably angry about.
    Regarding trading, yes that went well for a week
    or two last September but it’s been consistent losses ever since and each month I’m being told it will soon improve. All the while it’s £78 per month.
    So net result so far after 15 months with Equinex is down £3000 in lost bets, plus purchase price and monthly subscriptions.
    Not to mention a family relation I introduced and am
    now embarrassed to discuss it with as I introduced him and he can’t get it working either.
    Steve I have been reading similar stories from similar people all last night. How can I trust you after what I have said here in my first paragraph? I have no confidence left in you or your system

    Comment by Richard — 11th April 2011 @ 4:24 pm

  539. Steven,

    During my visit to your offices in February 2010, I asked you about any competitors you may have – The answer from Barry was: “We have NO competitors”!

    Now I quote from your comment #535, paragraph 4:
    “Nobody is hoodwinked, as you would imply, Adam (BTW which competitor do you really work for?) Everybody gets answers to all their questions openly and honestly and can go away to think it over or come back and check the whole thing again if they wish.”

    Here you admit there are competitors. Hence I did NOT, as you quote, “gets answers to all their questions openly and honestly”.

    You totally missold my your system, you deliberetly lied to me during my visit to your offices. The proof is now in your own writing in #535 – you openly admit to your guilt!

    Comment by Myron — 11th April 2011 @ 4:25 pm

  540. It would also be very easy to write a software program which could make the selections for a user based on the criteria and the live odds software. This would illiminate and ambiguarity in selections. But you would want that would you Steven, because you then could not hide behind the ambiguous graphs etc. I would be interested to hear your excuse why you can’t take Myron up on his offer, probably you won’t even offer one you will simply ignore his post.

    Comment by Peter — 11th April 2011 @ 4:31 pm

  541. Steven,

    I am still reading with disbelief your #535.

    You are mentioning about internet time lags, the same excuses as your discussed on the phone with myself. Your response to me was to synchronize my PC with “time.nist.gov”. Having done this yourself and I were still some seconds adrift. How can these few seconds be relevant when the actual start time of the race is delayed – the delay can be from 15 seconds to several minutes. One of your guide lines, as published on your “Recent Profits” web page, which is available for all people to read , states that snapshots – ie decision time, is “taken at one minute before the start of races”!
    Yes, to comply with your guidelines you do need the use of a crystal ball, or , better still, make your decision the day after the race!

    Comment by Myron — 11th April 2011 @ 4:49 pm

  542. I have today spoken to Hertford Small Claims Court and you can make a claim under £5000 for a fee of only £120. If necessary I intend to gather the evidence and do this. I have defended myself in small claims before and won without legal representation.
    Being told that I was the only person to have a time lag problem and to then discover that numerous people have been told the same thing is the final straw for me.

    Comment by Richard — 11th April 2011 @ 5:29 pm

  543. It really is amazing, When I asked Steven about the graphs and getting different results than the screenshots. I was told no body else has a problem. I was also told nobody else had a problem with the graphs being ambiguous. I was also told the selection criteria was easy to follow and there would be no room for mis interpretation ! So much for your honest answers Steven.

    Comment by Peter — 11th April 2011 @ 6:49 pm

  544. It’s all gone quiet Steven. You seem to have no answer. You don’t use the system that is quite clear. Are you hoping Myron’s post will become lost in the thread and then you can just ignore his challenge. You stand behind your product so much that you don’t even use it yourself. You take screen shots and post the results the next day. Please if you are a prospected customer who is researching Equinex. Steven will lie to sell his product. He will take your money and tell you no body else is having problems with the graphs. He will take your money for a product he claims makes 60k per year yet he does not use it his self. I wish I would have found this blog when I was thinking about buying his product. Please beware of this guy………

    Comment by Peter Smith-Walkden — 12th April 2011 @ 1:07 pm

  545. Myron I am based just south of birmingham.If you scroll back you will find my number on here. I agree no one else should buy this software and Steven should refund dissatisfied customers as he has stated that they have many users for years that have had no problems! So, this being the case refunding us would be nothing to him. You may have noticed though that since my challange of uping his bets to buy systems back he has not replied to 1 of my blogs.

    Comment by andy b — 12th April 2011 @ 3:43 pm

  546. Myron to save you the hassle my email is andybirch666@yahooo.com

    Comment by andy b — 12th April 2011 @ 3:46 pm

  547. The comments on this blog have once more been drawn to my attention. I used to contribute to this blog as far back as post 167. My spectacular failure using the Equinex system is well documented, however I sold my software for a modest £1000 to a gentleman off this blog who, despite warnings to the contrary, believed the sales blurb but wanted to limit his risk.

    Having just spent some time reaquainting myself with the discussion, I am angry and disgusted to read that Steven has used the same miserable excuses for years.

    I also firmly believe that the positive comments posted on here have been engineered by Steve, since some claimed good results during the same period that I was a customer (roughly May 2007 – August 2008). This CANNOT have been acheived following the guidelines set down at the time. DO NOT DARE DISPUTE THIS STEVE. Even your own results, at that time posted monthly to members, showed consistent losses.

    Your advice was always stop/start as to wether to use the system at all! You then suggested various different methods of using the ratings – all of them ambiguous, all of them eventually losers. Yet, similar to the way it appears you have hoodwinked others, you told me that nobody else was struggling and the problem must be mine.

    Having read the comments of other dissatisfied customers I feel cheated and humiliated. I’m embarressed that I was taken in, but taken in I was. The cruellest part of this sophisticated con is that, in order to justify the £5000 cost, you deliberately encouraged me to keep investing despite knowing that my cash (and my time) was going down drain! I cannot forgive you for that.

    Steve, in my opinion, after reading about the experiences of others and relating EXACTLY to what they say, you are a THIEF. Worse than that both you and Barry rob people with a smile on your face and a pleasant demeanor, but my God you must have a laugh at all of us as you count our cash.

    My blood is boiling as I write this. If anybody reading this is thinking of buying then I would urge you to reconsider. To those of you who are considering Civil proceedings, I would happily provide a witness testimony. If there is ever a Criminal prosecution I would be even happier to testify at that. As I sit here now there is nothing more than I would love to see than both Steve and Barry convicted, sent to prison for a time that reflects the severity of this crime, and their ill gotten gains confiscated under the “Proceeds of crime” act.

    Perhaps then they might feel some of the shame and humiliation that they have been inflicting on other for years.

    I AM LIVID!! I want this Charlaton stopped from ripping off anybody else! A Day of Reckoning beckons.

    Comment by David — 12th April 2011 @ 8:05 pm

  548. That just about sums it up, David. The assertion that anyone making a positive comment has to be working for the company just shows how imbalanced this anonymous blog is.
    Anyone making a positive comment is attacked and accused. Anyone making a negative comment is applauded, whether they have ever used the software or not!
    There is no interest in hearing from anyone who applies themselves, is doing well with it or has something positive to say.
    If there was any doubt about that, your comment “some claimed good results during the same period that I was a customer (roughly May 2007 – August 2008). This CANNOT have been achieved .. “ pretty well says it all. If you couldn’t make it work – then no one else could have .. is that right?

    Comment by Steven — 13th April 2011 @ 9:53 am

  549. Yes Steven, according to YOUR guidelines, that is exactly right!

    Your simple, easy to use, foolproof system did not work for me and it clearly did not work for others. My phone number is listed on ths site and I have recently had conversations with several of your customers all experiencing the same.

    I completely stand by what I have said – Steven I believe you to be a CON MAN! You have had endless opportunities to prove otherwise but you always promise much but deliver nothing!

    Comment by David — 13th April 2011 @ 10:04 am

  550. Further to your post 548 “There is no interest in hearing from anyone who applies themselves, is doing well with it or has something positive to say.” – There has been loads of interest; all those losing money have been begging Jon etc to share the good news. But, just like you, when pressed NOTHING is delivered.
    You have avoided all the real issues raised on this blog since it started. Your posts are repetitive, avoid the opportunity of providing proof and simply attempt to entice people to your offices where you can employ very dubious sales tactics.

    If, as you claim, this system is easy to use and unambiguous, why not refund all of us who are apparently of limited intelligence (like me) and can NOT make it work? This must be a tiny drop in the ocean of your supposedly satisfied customers and would hardly affect your bottom line.

    This is one big deception designed to line your own pockets. If it worked why sell it? Simply train others on a regular basis ( as you already do with your customers) and pay them to place the bets for you? Lets say, for example, you trained 80 people ( the same number that you say you restrict your annual sales to) and pay them a part time wage? That would equate, according to your figures, 80 x £60,000, per annum recurring every year for the last 12 years! The figures are staggering! But oh, I forgot, you don’t actually really use this piece of rubbish yourself. Your pathetic attempts to justify your theft are making me angrier and angrier.

    Shame on you.

    Comment by David — 13th April 2011 @ 12:22 pm

  551. David
    well said I have been saying the same about a refund for some time, I have even pointed out that STEVEN can prove us all wrong by just upping his bets to buy back the software, but as you will note HE NEVER COMMENTS ON THIS. As to JON he seems to have left this site since I emailed him?

    Comment by andy b — 13th April 2011 @ 6:03 pm

  552. Yes David excellent posts. Maybe the best I have read here.
    Concise, hard hitting, and making very valid points.
    If Steven isn’t a con man he operates a very inadequate and ambiguous system.
    If the results of his system weren’t so ambiguous this blog would hardly function, but then maybe Steven functions as a result of the ambiguity!
    Your fascination with my identity Steven really is a non issue, please put at least half the effort into addressing the unanswerable issues from your many dissatisfied customers. Better still, shut us all up by producing the betfair statements you were at one time willing to produce

    Comment by Adam — 13th April 2011 @ 8:08 pm

  553. Wow, I know only disenchanted customer would bother to post. But maybe there is no smoke without fire. I was interested in this biz opp but I’m not sure now anybody got anything good to say ?

    Comment by Davo — 19th April 2011 @ 6:45 pm

  554. Gone very quiet in here.
    All too busy making £60,000? LOL

    Comment by Adam — 23rd April 2011 @ 3:59 pm

  555. @ Adam

    Have you bought this system ? Can you outline your experience ? It’s very odd that the posts have dried up. Maybe those unhappy customers are now happy, it seems odd to me

    Comment by Davo — 23rd April 2011 @ 4:33 pm

  556. A friend bought it in 2008 davo. He gave up after 6 months, I tried for a month with similar results. The graphs are vague and open to various interpretations. Read other peoples experiences here. Very similar

    Comment by Adam — 23rd April 2011 @ 7:50 pm

  557. Did you or your friend not make any money ? They say they make 60k profit per year,but after reading this blog it looks like they don’t even use it.

    Comment by Davo — 23rd April 2011 @ 8:17 pm

  558. My friend lost several thousand, I betted very small amounts and lost just under £500. Steven of course will say that their guidelines were not followed but he never addresses the core problem of ambiguity. What is, or is not a bet. The nature of the graphs is that it’s anyones guess thus making it a pure gamble. The ambiguity gives them a get out clause where they can continually put the blame on the user.
    So Davo if you want to risk circa £5000 on a system that everyone on here complaining not just about the fact that it dosnt work but also that Equinex is refusing refunds, then don’t say you weren’t warned.
    If you still want to proceed ask to see their betfair statements and access to satisfied customers. I would bet your £5000 on the response!

    Comment by Adam — 23rd April 2011 @ 9:47 pm

  559. Thanks Adam it’s lucky I found this blog. It looks like this is a big scam. Why is nobody taking action ? It is good that you are warning people like me but these types of companies should be stopped. Thanks again Adam

    Comment by Davo — 23rd April 2011 @ 10:32 pm

  560. Davo,
    You are pefectly correct in reading this blog before wasting your £5000 and much more on this biz opp.
    The only way you can make £60,000 a year from this system is by placing your bets after knowing the results from the races. Have a look at Eqinex’s ‘Recent Profits’; they have not yet decided how much they won on Thursday 21st April. Yes, I know it is the Easter weekend, but if Equinex use this system in real-time, the results would be published immediately after each selected race.
    As in the past, Equinex will use the excuse of a technical problem.

    Davo, have you been to a presentation at Equinex’s offices. If so what were your thoughts?
    It would be interesting to know.

    Comment by Myron — 24th April 2011 @ 2:11 pm

  561. Thanks Myron if they don’t use this system but say they do, that would be a case deception in order to sell a product. In other words using deception to obtain money which is actually fraud. I am sure that purchasers would have a very strong case in court. Indeed if they are using deception to obtain money it could be a case for the fraud squad. Anyway ijust glad I found this blog.

    I have not had a presentation at their offices but I don’t live far away so I may well do just to see whether they claim to use it or not. Did you visit their offices ? What do they do ?

    Comment by Davo — 24th April 2011 @ 4:05 pm

  562. Good morning gentemen,
    I haven’t taken a look at this blog for a little while but I see the same names are still being used.

    Firstly, this system is demonstrated most days in real-time using real money. People who come to try it out for themselves are shown how to use it, identify qualifying selections and fire the bets into the markets themselves … and then watch the results and profits as they come in .. in real-time!

    Most people stick with the selection identification in just the way they were shown and do fine. Every now and again someone will go away, use the system and either not pay attention to reading the charts and ratings in the manner they were shown or pick up a bad habit. Anyone that does that has always been welcome back for a refresher to get them back on track. Once in a while, someone will just jump to the conclusion .. ‘it doesn’t work and it’s all your fault!’ If that were the case, there would be hundreds of people on here and we would have taken a battering in court many years ago.

    Why is it that when I have invited these detractors to arrange a date and come to our offices to sit down and trade with me so I can prove that our software works perfectly well … NO ONE has taken me up on it?

    Myron, you can’t be serious! One set of late-posted results on the cusp of the Easter weekend does not a conspiracy make; how ever much you would like to make it appear so!

    Also, for someone who is says they are in IT you would also realise that pasting a screen capture to a Word doc, re-creating a multi-page pdf file, uploading and then getting everything in place and ready for the next race when they are sometimes five minutes apart (or less on occasion) would be difficult and cumbersome to say the least. I’d like to see you do that on a busy day in the middle of providing customer support, dealing with Betfair and other technical queries, while maintaining data support systems, updating API databases etc etc! Another thing you hadn’t looked at properly I guess!

    Adam, reading the charts relies on correct application of the chart guidelines. Unless you get that right you are unlikely to consistently make correct selections. As you said you have got a copy from someone who didn’t make it work there’s a distinct probability you have followed the same pattern they did. Having said that, you have never been to our offices and had it explained to you or been shown first-hand, so no surprise. The only surprise to me is your dedication to this blog complaining about something you have never purchased or received proper instruction on.

    The fact remains that IMHO the VSR software produces he best ratings information I have ever seen. It is excellent and can be used in many ways. Anyone wishing to apply themselves properly with the time and inclination would also see several profitable ways of using it too.

    Comment by Steven — 26th April 2011 @ 11:03 am

  563. @ Steven

    While you are here I can ask you directly.

    Does this make you profits of £60k per year ?

    Comment by Davo — 26th April 2011 @ 11:22 am

  564. Davo
    Please go along and have the demonstration make sure that Steven puts on bets of £1000 per time if he wont do this ask yourself why. I have this system and it does not make money, in fact if you go back in their history the system they use changes all the time as “they are not achieving results”, in other words losing.
    If you look bak on this blog I have challenged steven time and time again to prove the doubters wrong by increasing his bets to buy back software. You will notice he has never replied once to any of these challenges. If you do decide to buy you will be able to pick it up on here for a fraction of their asking price, you can have mine at a reduced rate but you will be wasting your money.

    Comment by andy b — 26th April 2011 @ 4:14 pm

  565. @ Andy I don’t think I will bother. This chap looks a bit on the dodgy to me 🙂 if I werehim I would have shown the proof to shut people up. If it looks to good to be true, it probably is. I see a chap down the blog Richard I recall he is taking them to court, I really don’t know how they carry on

    Comment by Davo — 26th April 2011 @ 5:23 pm

  566. Actually Steven I used your manual! As you know I listed before the guidelines and the moderator removed them.
    I am not going to list them again for obvious reasons but they are not complicated, even for me you might say in your usual patronising manner.
    Yet as simple as they are countless people on this blog are here because they cannot get the same results as Equinex print next day.
    Is that because they are not following these simple (your word) guidelines?
    One of two explanations is more likely (or both). The nature of the graghs allows any interpretation. Or these graghs are contrived by Equinex. Either way Steven is a con man

    Comment by Adam — 26th April 2011 @ 6:49 pm

  567. Before I start, I must just say that I was a sceptic and I spent two separate days at equitrack offices doing live trading using the graph system under the direct supervision of Steve. First day, Steve advised on suitable selections from the ratings, second day I made the choices with occasional intervention from Steve if the selection criteria looked wrong. I was sat on a computer in their office and not trading with real money (and I had no betfair account then). Both days would have made a healthy profit if real money had been used! It was only AFTER having seen with my own eyes the real possibilities of this system that I decided to purchase it. So I had a full and successful trial and was happy to make the purchase on the back of this. In no way was I pressured and in anyone’s book a two day trial should prove whether a system works or not.

    So, I’m not sure if my contribution will be of any use to anyone but I am very surprised to see such negativity towards what is undoubtedly an excellent system for picking daily multiple winners and placings. Although I do own the software cd I value my time far too much to be inputting data myself so I happily pay equitrack the £78 monthly fee and have all the ratings done for me.

    So what did I get for my thousands of pounds? Well having used racing traders, bet angel (did a day £700 training course with bet angel and very good it was too) I am getting the use of a programme that beats these hands down as it’s particularly tailored to horses. Maybe not as slick if you are a city trader, but streets ahead if you are a horses gambler. It is capable of covering and dutching any sport but the only others I have tried were greyhounds and football. I particularly like the under / over goals markets in football and have done well at these on mainly premier league matches.

    Greyhounds was a disaster for me, mainly because I know nothing of the sport and decided to lay the highest price greyhound a few minutes before the off when the “donkeys” start to trend out fast just before race start. 1st week I made a couple of hundred quid, second week I lost it all because the lays won! Gave up greyhounds!

    Also when I first bought the software I thought I was a real high roller and immediately got great results laying horses that were mid range 3.5 up to 8.0 in the place markets. I had a LOT of luck and did some really crazy stuff the first week and actually made £2,400 and thought Christmas had come! My joy was cut short the following two weeks after that as I continued laying horses in the place markets only to find them winning! The money I made was swiftly lost! Another lesson learned!

    Anyway, I mention this because I am probably one of the most undisciplined people you will ever come across and I suffered some large losses before even opening the instruction manual or going on the training courses. It has taken me a long time to learn the discipline required to get a consistent result from equitrack.

    For ages my days typically went like this:
    Early day, a few placings come in good making me between £30 and £60 in a day. Then I listen to the “expert commentators!!!” who maybe tell me my horse is a “dead cert” or maybe the second rated is the more progressive horse and the one to be on…anyway the end result is that I err from what the system and the graphs are telling me and I lump on double my normal stake only to see the horse lose. I then spend the rest of the day worrying that my bank is not big enough, then lower my stakes to pick up a few quid on the next four or five races to make back the loss. Of course I may decide to take a few gambles in the process i.e. bet on the second rated in a 6 horse race because it looks really strong, or maybe lump on to a highly rated horse in a 16 horse race (against the systems recommendations). The end result is then that instead of having made £50 or £60 I end up making £10, £20 or sometimes losing money.

    The one thing I am though above all else is honest with myself. I know my deficiencies, lack of patience, desire for a fast quick buck, a risk taker and at times a COMPLETE AND UTTER MORON!!…YES THAT’S ME…and I kick myself when I act like this!. Now I mention this purely because it would be VERY easy for me to have blamed the equitrack system BUT truthfully I never did what I was told to do.

    I came clean to equitrack and told them things were not going great due to my lack of discipline. I paid the £200 for a training session at their office and guess what…under their supervision I made over £140 that day because they were watching and advising me on how to interpret graphs and also ensuring I was in the correct races. I was gobsmacked at how easy it was. I went away and started to get more consistency in my results. One area I have struggled with is reading graphs that show “where money has properly come into the market”. In my case it has taken many months to get half good at it.

    What I found was that some days I would make money and they would make more or they would make less. Could never get the same results as them initially but I am very determined and now when I have a good day or a bad day it matches theirs almost to the letter. I do sometimes find that I have taken a bet because it was a marginal one of the timing of the graph and these things can change within seconds. My biggest difficulty used to be when races were running late and then I found it hard to know what the timings were i.e. whether to take the bet or not particularly in an unstable graph. I got over this by just taking the decision now at exactly 1 minute before the race time regardless of the off (unless of course it was delayed for more than a few minutes and then I take a view). Fortunately the frequency of this is not too often and usually even with a delay, the trend on a good horse is strongly enough downwards.

    Now I must stress that I regularly see horses that are trending out on the graphs, go on to win but more often than not they do not. If I am particularly confident about a horse and its ratings are strong, no apprentice claiming 7 etc then I will take the odd one even trending out. The secret is to catch the trend of the graph at the top. You then find that the horse will shorten in price enough to get out now and take a small profit even if the horse goes on to lose due to the market weakness.

    Overall though my experiences with the system and ratings has taught me that it works out best to follow the ratings and graphs closely and on average you do make more money. Yes you lose out on some red hot horses just because the graph is trending out but I promise you it more than balances out due to the graph reflecting the really hot horses a minute before the off.

    Nowadays I make a nice result most days because I have finally learned some self discipline. I also recently went on a second refresher course with Steve and he nagged and nagged me like an old mother hen whenever I erred from the system even slightly. Now I have deliberately gone into detail of my deficiencies and some of the system ambiguities BUT I consistently make money most days and my results mirror their own betting results much more closely.

    Anyone who has the ratings can easily check winners and placings against the racing post past winners and without any doubt equitrack picks many winning and placed horses daily. It out performs ANY comparable system and I have tried quite a few (particularly laying systems). The reason is works is because it picks out the best horses in the race VERY CONSISTENTLY and is not the type of system that tells you to bet on the third rated horse in any race or other such rubbish that can be back fitted to suit past results. I defy anyone who owns this system and who really learns it to say anything negative regarding the selections. Sure, some do not win or place but plenty more do. You can have a bad day and be down by three races losing, but inevitably the next day you find you have four or five winners. The important thing is what happened over time. Anyone into horses must accept that you will have losing days, and you must not chase your losses by doing things different to their recommendations because it just increases losses….I know because remember I am that MORON who has to try and invent new ways better than the system!

    I am guessing that some of the people who post here are really hurting, I’m sure some have never persevered or bothered to have extra training, maybe some are from their competitors and making up negative stuff to try and knock them down. Regardless of circumstances I cannot accept that this system, software and ratings are somehow flawed and responsible for losing people money. I lost money through my own stupidity but I now make money and I would not swap this package for any other in the market. I have never considered wanting a refund. This system has definite value if you really want to use it correctly.

    If you do use the system be wary of evening races as I have found them to be less reliable. Also there are no ratings on a Sunday which would be unattractive to some. I can tell you this, that whenever I try trading on a Sunday without equitrack, just betting on favourites placing, I lose a lot of money. Take my advice and never bet on a Sunday, it’s just not worth it. Also in the evenings the graphs seem to be less of a guide probably because the main players “in the know” tend to do their gambling during the week in the daytime. This includes bookies and trainers who will often place or lay off huge sums close to the off, and the weight of money can be a good indicator to the success or failure of a bet.

    I am not here to sell or prove anything, I have no interest in equitrack or any other piece of software or ratings systems. I work alone and have an internet business for bread and butter, and equitrack is the icing on the cake, pays for meals out and some of my luxuries. I am not a rich man with a huge bank or a confident gambler who can put £200 on a horse but I am confident enough to place bets of between £20 and £50 daily per race. My own yardstick for equitrack is that I am nearly always able to double my stake money 3 or 4 days out of 5 as a worst possible view. In reality you often make much more than this on average. This means when I am betting £50 a race, it is pretty much a dead cert that I can win £50 that day. Knowing when to stop is something I am always learning. Looking at the equitrack past results you will see that sometimes you can lose 2 or 3 times stake, others you can make the same or more although most days are positive. My own results confirm this too.

    I am not really a social animal into posting stuff on blogs so I cannot guarantee to become the new “oracle” to answer endless questions about equitrack or my experiences. I will however take a look back from time to time and if someone has asked me something I will try and be honest in my reply. So, do I like equitrack…Yes. Do I make consistent profits from equitrack….Yes (now I am disciplined in my approach)….Is equitrack a genuine company? Yes and they are always contactable by phone, 5 days weekly. I have found them very helpful and understanding. Are the daily results posted on their website factual and correct….Yes most days my own results mirror theirs (but it has taken effort and training).

    Les

    Comment by Les — 26th April 2011 @ 8:06 pm

  568. Hi, yesterday I posted a review of my experiences with equitrack vsr which have generally be positive. For some reason the review has been removed. There are no contact details for me to email on this site so I’m just putting this here so the owner / moderator can see something has gone wrong because surely you want a website that reflects happy owners experiences as well as the not so happy ones? I tried posting it again and it said duplicate content so please excuse my comment if its already appeared or in moderation again but I cant find it.
    Les

    [Addition by Ben: Hi Les, the comment was in moderation. Sorry about the delay in approving it. Thanks]

    Comment by Les — 27th April 2011 @ 9:55 am

  569. Adam, comments like “these graghs are contrived by Equinex” just about sums up what you really know.

    Now, had you ever been to the office to see how this works or used it properly yourself, you would have known that is very obviously not true!

    Still, I am sure you wouldn’t let a little thing like that stand in the way of your hobby .. sorry, blog. It hasn’t so far …

    Also … “countless”. Come on! Discounting the hobby-bloggers who have never bought or used it and get their only kicks from a bit of anonymous mud-slinging you wouldn’t need all your own fingers to count on.

    Comment by Steven — 27th April 2011 @ 10:45 am

  570. Well Steven after Reading this blog and your replies to your clients etc. I haveno intention of taking my interest further. You have never answered my questions so I can only assume you don’t want me to know something. Whether or not Adam is a hobby blogger doesn’t make any difference. You don’t seem like a honest chap to me,until you answer direct questions I fail to see how anyone visiting this blog would not come to the same conclusion as me. I suspect from your deflection of my question that you don’t make 60k with this system and don’t even use it. If you won’t use it there is no way I am going to bother.

    Comment by Davo — 27th April 2011 @ 11:02 am

  571. Davo, in answer to your question .. yes you can. I personally demonstrate it most days and yes, I use real money too.

    Once prospective buyers have had a weeks free trial and then come to our offices they are shown how the software works. They then get to see how the VSRX approach works, apply the criteria, make the selections themselves and fire real money into the markets and watch the results and profits as they come in – in real time.

    Comment by Steven — 27th April 2011 @ 2:15 pm

  572. A weeks free trial ? Does that mean you will let me use the system for a week free ? So I can make 60k using your system, but you can’t, you keep saying you demonstrate it most days but you don’t seem to use of have anybody using the system on your behalf. You must think I am stupid if you think I’m going to pay you £5000 for something you don’t even have enough faith in yourself. I maybe stupid but if it worked you would use it, I cannot believe you would sell something you don’t actually use. I’ve got an investment opportunity for you Steven, you invest 10k and a week later It will be worth 15k are you in ? Oh and by the way I’m not investing in it ! Get real.

    Comment by Davo — 27th April 2011 @ 2:56 pm

  573. I’ve just seen Les’s post, very informitive, thanks Steven, whoops I mean Les. Out of here for good now this chap must think we are all completely stupid.

    Comment by Davo — 27th April 2011 @ 3:16 pm

  574. Hi all. Interesting blog! I am going to be completely honest and let you know from ‘the off’ that I am posting this comment having just had a lengthy conversation with Steve. I instigated this telephone conversation, out of the blue, as I wanted to thank Steve for giving me the opportunity to replace the income from a job that I no longer enjoyed (in financial services) with something that on average takes me 2-3 hours per day and that I absolutley love.

    I purchased the system back in January following a couple of visits to the offices in Cheshunt and can categorically state that at no time was I ever given the ‘hard sell’. Steve showed me how the system worked (twice because I am a skeptic at heart) and left me to make my own decision. Having bought the system I initially suffered some fairly major swings, winning one day and then losing all of my gains the following day but, like Les, did not and could not blame the system as I could not put my hand on my heart and honestly say that I had followed the guidelines to the letter.

    Again , like Les, I have forced myself to become more disciplined and am now showing a healthy profit (having more than doubled my bankroll in the last 2 weeks) and consistently producing winning days. Before I bought the system I knew very little about horse racing and yet 3 months down the line am confident that I made the right choice to give up my job. This system is easy if you follow the guidelines (every time I have thought that I know better it has cost me money), have patience and above all exercise self-control.

    I have nothing to gain by posting this comment but felt obliged to defend something that I totally believe in (my financial future is based on this system). I am sure that some out there will insist that I am somehow connected with Steve or, indeed, am Steve but, in reality, I am just a very happy punter and would like to take this opportunity to publicly thank Steve for liberating me from the daily drudge of having a J O B.

    Comment by Paul — 27th April 2011 @ 5:14 pm

  575. How typical! I wondered how long that would take, Davo!

    Whenever a genuine user ventures onto this anonymous blog (wonder how many other names you have used on this blog before, Davo?) and makes any positive comments they are automatically accused of being me or working for the company.

    You are way off and therefore your assumption of what I think of you must be surprisingly accurate.

    If you look carefully you will see you can only count a handful of dissatisfied customers after 12 years in business. That is a better record than most companies you already use most days.

    I have also read Les’s blog #567 now.

    It strikes me as a fair and balanced account and I think you’d have to be pretty sad or pathetic loser to try to make something nasty out of what is quite obviously an honestly voiced experience from Les’s point of view.

    Many thanks, Les.

    Comment by Steven — 28th April 2011 @ 10:16 am

  576. Stick to answering the questions Steven rather than trying to deflect away from them with rubbish about blogging being a hobby. It’s just showing up your already very apparent patronising style.
    Watch Davo et all and how he won’t answer why he was willing to provide actual evidence by way of betfair statements but blamed the lack of any apparatus to do it, but provided that facility by the operator of this blog and for some strange reason has ignored any mention of it since. Clearly he dosnt wish to now avail of that opportunity.
    Potential new customers should ask why and exercise extreme caution with this so called business opportunity.

    Comment by Adam — 28th April 2011 @ 10:26 am

  577. Maybe that was a little harsh of me. However Berie Madoff was in business over 20 years ! Are saying you have been using this system for 12 years ? One more question., which you seem to keep avoiding Steven,

    Do you use this system and make 60k a year ? No BS answers please just a simple yes or no will do. I am not interested in your system anymore, but I believe you should answer that question.

    Comment by Davo — 28th April 2011 @ 10:32 am

  578. Oh I have just seen Adam’s post. Maybe you should do what he suggests. Also I found this blog because I was researching Equinex while evaluating whether or not to look into this system further. I would be interested to know how Les a so called happy customer found this blog, why would he be researching Equinex ? Please answer my questions Steven, and yes I am a hobby blogger that’s the only reason I am here to much time on my hands at my age. By the way Davo is my user name I am a member of various sites and that is the name I use I have had it years a long story !

    Comment by Davo — 28th April 2011 @ 10:46 am

  579. Hello.

    Only septic snipes?

    No intelligent comments about blogs 574 and 567?

    No surprise!

    Comment by Steven — 28th April 2011 @ 1:13 pm

  580. I must admit I did not see the post by Paul another well thought out post amazing how he would have the incite to know that people would think he was Steven:)

    Anyway Steven, would you like to answer my questions now.

    Do you make £60k per year with this ? Just a yes or no will do. It’s a pity these two chaps didn’t post here while you were not active and taking a bashing! Also I would like to ask Les and Paul how they found this blog ? I’m sure if they have bought already the would not have been researching the company like I was. Gosh I love hobby blogging

    Comment by Davo — 28th April 2011 @ 2:47 pm

  581. Hi all,
    I have just read Les’s post #567 and find it extremely interesting and detailed on his use of the Equinex software. I further appreciate his comment in his last paragraph that he is “not a social animal into posting stuff on blogs” and hence I do not expect a reply to my comments from him.
    However, Les, I assume you are same Les who posted blog no 82 on 1st April 2009. Now why should I assume this – because firstly, you are an infrequent blogger on this site, secondly, you post lengthy and detailed comments and thirdly, on both occasions posted what appears to be supporting comments in favour of Equinex following umpteen severely genuine and negative posts.
    Let’s try to analyse the contents of your two blogs (#82 – 1st April 2009 and #567 – 26th April 2011).
    In #82 you say you were a company director (now redundant) and described your use of VSR software – how you erred from the rules and, after retraining, began making a steady profit. You also reiterate your learning curve in your post #567.
    However, what I find of interest is your career progress, form Company Director to Redundancy followed by using the VSR system and then, in #567, to having an internet business. Why start an internet business if you are so convinced that the VSR system makes a real profit – as advertised £60,000 tax free per year which equates to approx £100,000 gross per year. Here I have to assume that the Equinex system failed to deliver and you had to look for other means of income.
    Also I do somewhat sympathise with the losses you initially made by not following the VSR system and I quote from your #82:
    “I did lose money though back then by NOT following their system and choosing to lay horses. I made £1200 in my first week even laying horses in the place markets but lost it all the next week ….”
    Now quoting from your recent blog #567 you say:
    “Also when I first bought the software I thought I was a real high roller and immediately got great results laying horses that were mid range 3.5 up to 8.0 in the place markets. I had a LOT of luck and did some really crazy stuff the first week and actually made £2,400 and thought Christmas had come! “

    Now let’s be honest, Les, which one is it – £1200 or £2400? Surely the 100% increase cannot be due to inflation, more likely due to imagination!

    My conclusion is that your stated personal facts in your two blogs do not stack up. How then do you expect people to believe in your faith in the Equinex system? You totally fail to convince me.

    Comment by Myron — 28th April 2011 @ 8:30 pm

  582. Hi Paul/Les,
    For those of who are highly sceptical of this system, and even more sceptical since Steven offered evidence then refuses to even discuss it now after the moderator of this blog offered him the opportunity, we would be grateful if you could provide some evidence.
    After all I have read on this blog I am not inclined to travel to as far as cheshunt but maybe you could accept Ben the moderators offer to upload betfair statements (with Personal details/balance information deleted), or to individuals privately? Maybe Richard’s group of Equinex sceptics? These are owners of the software who are unable to make it profitable. A rapidly growing number I believe.
    In the absense of this, contact phone number for verification? With so much negative posts on this blog it would be very tempting for Steven to create happy customers. Your help in dispelling this would be much appreciated.

    Comment by Adam — 28th April 2011 @ 10:13 pm

  583. Hello.
    Steven,

    I quote:

    “Only septic snipes?

    No intelligent comments about blogs 574 and 567?

    No surprise!

    Comment by Steven – April 28, 2011 @ 1:13 pm ”

    Was my #581 intellegent enough for you!

    Comment by Myron — 29th April 2011 @ 7:15 pm

  584. Only the same stuff repeated don’t you mean Myron? Never any answers to questions. You don’t have to be stupid to see he is hiding something if he can’t give straight forward answers

    Comment by Adam — 5th May 2011 @ 12:45 pm

  585. Who is now

    LOOKING FOR A CHALLENGE?

    In their press adverts Equinex no longer advertise £60,000 a year +
    With our blogs they must have now realised that this is unachievable!

    Regardless, their price has now increased to £4995 + VAT less one weeks profits you could have made. Does this mean that weekly losses are added onto the price?

    Comment by Myron — 9th May 2011 @ 5:32 pm

  586. Myron
    I would think anyone reading this blog will realise the only thing you are guaranteed with this system is bankrupcy. Come on Steven increase your own bets pay us back and Prove us all wrong.
    As ususall there will be nothing from Steven on this.

    Comment by andy b — 10th May 2011 @ 10:54 am

  587. This is a copy of a letter i sent a long time ago just in case anyone is thinking of buying.

    16/01/2009

    Dear Steve and Barry

    As you will know I came down to the office last September saw how the win and place system worked and decided to buy it that day. It was a system that suited me and one I could fit my job around. I started with the system on the 16th after returning from holiday. By the end of September I had lost money, I accepted that this was part of a learning curve so started October with a clear mind and ready to go, I broke even, even though the office showed a good profit, I found this hard to understand so Barry sent me the Qualifiers, I was quite surprised to find that you had placed 14 more bets than me although I called every day to check that I had made the correct selections. The problem was that I got conflicting advise from Barry and Sharon about which horses to back. Once again I looked at this as a learning curve and decided to start November afresh with a £100 pot and do £10 bets to get my head around the system. By Nov 15th I was £190 down I thought there might be something wrong as when I discussed the poor performance with Barry on the 8th he told me to start backing the Boy Jockeys on the 15th he told me to stop as it was a bad month and had been a bad month last year (this was a bit late as all my pot had gone!) Barry then went on to tell me that December gets better and sent me a copy of last years Qualifiers, so once again I started this time with a £200 pot and did £20 bets to try to recoup my losses. The month started off Ok but on the 17th things started to go down hill, on the 22nd Steve told me not to place any more Place and Win bets. Until this time no one had said to stop using this system.
    I had been told about the new “Trending Down” system and received emails explaining it. I later discussed with Barry who said it was working really well, I had to point out that as I have a job I could not sit if front of the computer all afternoon. Later that week Barry sent out another email once again explaining the new system and said that you did not have to sit in front of the screen all afternoon, just set yourself a limit and then stop. The problem with this is that if 1 horse looses you then have to get 2 wins possibly 3 to recoup your loss and as I always seem to find the days where there are losers this means all afternoon. Anyway I did start using this system on Dec 2nd and did well for 2 weeks, I was impressed so moved up to £20 bets, by the end of the month I had lost everything I had made plus part of my pot. The reason I originally called on the 22nd was to ask Barry if there was any chance of buying back my software. Barry was away on holiday so I got a call back from Steve who talked me through the new system again sent me more graphs and we lost that day. I decided to take a break over the Xmas period as I was now losing sleep over my losses and situation. As both Barry and Steve have both been positive about the system I decided to give another go this month starting on the 5th new year and made money in the first week I have now lost all that and part of my pot and I have been spending a lot of time at the screen.
    As you can see this system is not working for me so I am asking you if in this case you would buy my software back from me or at least sell it on to your next client. The VAT has been paid so you could offer it to them at a discount. The software has never been opened as it was put straight into a drawer just as Barry said; the books are also in mint condition.
    I hope you can find it in your hearts to help me out I cannot afford to lose any more money.

    Yours sincerely

    Andy Birch

    Comment by andy b — 14th May 2011 @ 9:49 pm

  588. Gosh Andy so they have been lying about results since 2009. Amazing ! Steven what is your answer to this ?

    Comment by Davo — 14th May 2011 @ 11:36 pm

  589. No one needs to lie about results as anyone can check the ratings and methods of using them for themselves.

    Also, to inject a bit of balance on this blog I see this at blog 448..

    Andy B,
    In blog #446 you say you HAVE NEVER DEVIATED from using the system correctly. To demonstrate HOW UNTRUE that is I thought this would be a good time to post an excerpt of an earlier blog showing how well you follow basic guidelines and why your testimony clearly cannot be relied upon:
    (For the sake of space comments such as ‘correct’ have been left off but it can be viewed in full in blog #352) …..
    “In blog #341 you state “I HAVE NEVER sent you a race with 12 runners or any of the others”.
    NOT TRUE! A report you sent us showed your wins, place bets forecasts and losses, Out of 77 selections you made, the following is a excerpt of comments were reported back to you showing that HAD YO STUCK TO THE SYSTEM as printed in your Manual, you would have been in clear profits. It soon became clear this was ignored too:
    Non-runner. This horse did not compete!
    Apprentice jockey/’boy rider’
    Apprentice jockey
    Another Non-runner
    Apprentice jockey
    Amateur race
    Amateur
    Apprentice jockey
    Flat NH
    Apprentice jockey
    Amateur
    Flat NH
    Apprentice jockey
    Amateurs AND A 21 RUNNER race !!!
    Apprentice jockey
    Amateur AND 20 RUNNERS
    Amateurs
    Apprentice jockey
    Apprentice jockey
    NO! Not top J or T
    A 24 RUNNER AMATEUR race – be serious!
    Apprentice jockey
    Correct – came 2nd in this 18 RUNNER race .. WHY didn’t you Place bet it?
    ANOTHER “SELECTION” THAT DIDN’T EVEN RUN!!!
    This is the 14:20 NOT the 14:40 – and was a Selling race
    Amateurs
    Missing selections ?
    Apprentice jockey
    This horse came 2nd. Place bet WON – NOT A LOSS
    Amateurs
    This is a PLACE bet – NOT A WIN BET
    Apprentice jockey
    Selling race
    correct – but a short priced win bet in AN 18 RUNNER Maiden Hurdle?
    Amateur – Fell
    Apprentice jockey
    Andy, as I said before .. I think that seeing what you were doing (from YOUR OWN RECORD sent to us by you) was clearly contrary to our advice and was not just a perfectly good reason to advise you to stop using it – it was the right thing!

    Comment by Ian — 17th May 2011 @ 10:45 am

  590. Well Ian,

    I followed the guidelines exactly and the system failed – miserabley! Equinex own results reflected that too. Fact.

    So whilst I appreciate a good balanced discussion it would seem that I am not alone in being slightly bemused by posts claiming good results. If good results can be attained, is it not too much to ask that you could post some proof of success. I think that that would give everybody hope, and I think then that we would all accept that maybe the system does work and endevour to replicate your results.

    The trouble is Ian, that despite all claims to the contrary, and despite repeated requests to do so( for well over 2 years now), NOBODY has shown us that this very expensive system really works. We, however, have all had very bad experiences. We have all lost money and it would seem we have all been fobbed off with the same excuses for years.

    Steven clearly can’t provide any proof as he openly admits he doesn’t use the system in a manner that reflects the results he posts. Indeed with no betfair IDs or registering the bets prior to the off with a reputable publication like the Racing Post he can prove precisely NOTHING. So I think all of us who have sunk our savings into this Con would be more than grateful if you could share the good news with the rest of us.

    Thanks in anticipation x

    Comment by david — 17th May 2011 @ 8:18 pm

  591. @Ian do you work for Equinex ? I assume you do due to the fact as you refer to them as ” we” . What is your roll ? Interesting in all the post here by member of Equinex, there is no mention of an Ian. Please explain

    Do you operate the system ?

    Comment by Davo — 18th May 2011 @ 7:13 am

  592. @Davo,

    No dopey. The “We” was in the bit I copied and pasted from someone else’s earlier blog. Not my words.

    Heard about this system from a mate that has it and rates it. Getting interested myself. Did a search and found this. Don’t normally have time or inclination to blog. It looks to me like anyone who plops a good comment on here is shot down by the same couple of faces as working for the company or part of some great conspiracy. What a lot of rot.

    My big questions is, how come its just the same couple of names on here doing all the stabbing (only seems to be one or two that have actually used it from what I read). If this firm has been around for any length of time (companies house puts that at 1998) there would be hundreds of different names on here all complaining – but there isn’t.
    Could it be that if your happy with something you don’t go looking for blogs about it?

    So, what’s your interest here then, Davo?

    Comment by Ian — 18th May 2011 @ 11:13 am

  593. Oh yes Ian I realised that after I had posted but I couldn’t edit my post. My interest was, similar to yours I was researching the oportunity and found this blog. I was interested but then I realized from here that they don’t use the system they sell. If it is so good I am sure they would use it themselves. I have asked that Steven chappy a number of times direct questions which he does not answer, which makes me uneasy about his opportunity. I agree with you if you ate happy with something you wouldn’t go looking for blogs etc, which makes me wonder why the two chaps below ( I forgot their names) would be posting here. It is true no matter how good your company is you will alway have unsatisfied customers, it is how you deal with those that is important, if someone believes the product does bit do what is advertised any reputable company would refund those and move on. I am still amazed they don’t use this system themselves. I will ask Steven directly again Steven do you operate your system and get the results and profits you advertise ? So chappy also posted you offered to show proof, please do that and I will consider this opportunity again. It is good to see you here Ian maybe you will provide some balance.

    Comment by Davo — 18th May 2011 @ 11:30 am

  594. @Davo,

    If the guy is showing others how to use it while the races are being run I’m guessing his chances to use it himself have got to be limited so I wouldn’t hold my breath there. So what if they make money by selling it or whatever – so long as it works for me. One thing for sure – no amount of verbal on here or anywhere else would get me to tell what I’m earning.

    I’m more interested in having a go myself first and see if I get on with it. Like I say, I have a mate who’s been using it for a while and he’s happy. So, why not?

    So far as a couple of blokes posting something good it wouldn’t surprise me if they told a couple of their customers about the blog and what was going on. Wouldn’t you?

    Not rocket science, Davo – eh?

    Comment by Ian — 18th May 2011 @ 12:12 pm

  595. Ian the blog you have pasted if read on from this I also point out that at this time I had stopped using the system as it had already lost so much money.The results mentioned here I hardly looked at and certainly didnt place any bets on them.Once bitten twice shy.Plus if this works why have neither steven or barry explained why they both told me to stop using the system????

    Comment by andy b — 18th May 2011 @ 1:11 pm

  596. Good point Ian. So what you are saying is they would rather show people how to use it than use it to profit themselves ? I believe they have someone in the office taking screenshots of races, they could have this guy operating it for them, they say they are software developers it would be very easy to right a program to automate the screenshot taking so then he could operate the system. They could even write program to make the selections if the selection process is consistent and relies on data . Obviously having not used the system I would not know if this is posible but if there is no objective decision to make this could be posible. Interesting to have you here Ian, I love a good debate, blogging is fun !!!!

    Comment by Davo — 18th May 2011 @ 1:21 pm

  597. @andy b

    You’ve got to be joking mate. If I knew someone who thought it was ok to have a win bet on a 21 runner amateur race and also claim a loss for a horse that didn’t even run I’d tell them to stop as well. And you’re suprised you lost some money? lol

    Comment by Ian — 18th May 2011 @ 1:50 pm

  598. Ian,

    Welcome to this blog!
    You must have spent a lot of time reading through this blog to have been bold enough to cut and paste your #589. I wonder who your mate is (see your #591). Does he also post on this blog under an alias? If you are not a user what do you know about this system? Have you ever met or spoken to Steven? Can you explain to me, if your mate rates this system, what were your intentions for searching for this blog? What are your views of Steven refusing to answer questions from his existing and past customers, and also from potential new customers? Appears as if he is avoiding these questions. As you have read through this blog would you agree that Steven avoids answering questions?

    Comment by Myron — 18th May 2011 @ 4:41 pm

  599. Hi Steven,

    Just touching back to our phone conversation on the 13th April, amongst numerous other points that you commented and agreed to, you accepted that the interpretation of the graphs used by your software is ambiguous and that you are in the process of developing a new method to obliterate this ambiguity. Could you please update me and other interested people of your progress with this task.

    Comment by Myron — 18th May 2011 @ 4:49 pm

  600. Very good points Myron.
    Our friend Ian is very selective in his observations of past posts on this blog.
    For example how many times has Steven been asked here why did he offer betfair statements ( though stating it were not physically possible, to be then offered the facility by the operator of this blog), and now refuses even to discuss it.
    Maybe you might care to comment instead “Ian” !!
    Please don’t say his statements are his own business, he did offer them at one stage.
    Despite what Steven says I am not a hobby blogger, I would be genuinely interested, but I have read enough here to remain suspicious. Hard evidence!

    Comment by Adam — 19th May 2011 @ 1:56 am

  601. In reply to 600 I can’t believe you are directly attacking another person who doesn’t seem to want to join your hate campaign and actually has something non-partisan and sensible to say.

    As Ian stated in 594, you are mis-quoting …I thought it over and have no intention of posting my account on the internet. If you wish to see proof of individual selections stated on this forum previously you are more than welcome to make an appointment and come to our offices where I will show you the relevant excerpt from my account.

    While you are there I will also show you the system working in real time so you too will know that it works. Having said that, I have offered that several times previously – haven’t I?

    If you were genuinely interested or were in a position to buy if satisfied – I am sure you would have been down to check it out properly by now!

    In reply to 599 – rubbish! The criteria are clear cut. Your interpretation is not.
    Also, I mentioned previously there are many ways of making profits by a little intelligent application and proper use of the ratings.

    It will come as now surprise to you to find out I do not intend to “update you” with the fruits of any of our research or other methods of using the ratings.

    In reply to 598 – I see the Adam and Myron show has now found another target in Ian.

    By the way, Ian, thanks for a bit of good sense on here at last. It’s most welcome.

    Myron, I’m not avoiding anything other than divulging personal account information. You blog reads like a conspiracy theorists wish list of questions. Seriously!

    Each of you has been offered the opportunity to call and fix a date to come to our offices several times and sit with me to learn how to use the system properly and so far neither of you has.

    Comment by Steven — 19th May 2011 @ 9:34 am

  602. @ Steven as a prospected customer will you please answer my questions. The simple fact you avoid answering my questions raise suspicion. Also I would like to know if you are using your new fruits as you call them or just selling them. I have invented the best tooth brush in the world it does xyz, oh but I don’t use it. Can you see how that look ? Also as you area software developer I am sure you are aware how easy it is to write a program to make the selections for you. As you are aware it would only be easy if there were no human eliment to the selection process. Once you have written the program I would be interested to see the results and if profitable and you used it yourself. I would buy.

    Comment by Davo — 19th May 2011 @ 10:34 am

  603. I should also mention my research on here shows your selection criteria to be very muddy. Can you clarify ?

    Comment by Davo — 19th May 2011 @ 10:38 am

  604. @Adam,

    How predictable. Me being selective? That’s rich coming from you pal.

    I’ve had a good read back through this blog and its easy to see who’s really being selective here. I’ve also noticed you get the knives out at anyone who doesn’t agree with you. A bit sad mate! Makes me laugh when I read you never bought it yourself but tried using ‘your mates’ copy for a month and without having been taught by Steven or anyone at their office and put yourself up as the expert that it doesn’t work.

    Like I said before I wouldn’t go telling anyone what I make. None of their business or yours. So I certainly wouldn’t put it on the world wide web just because you and Myron stamp your feet. Get real!

    If you meant what you said about wanting hard evidence why haven’t you been to see them to get it?

    @Myron

    Yes. I have had a good read back through this blog or did you expect that I would just make my mind up after listening to you and Adam? Oh – you did, didn’t you?

    I see you also want me to explain myself to you. Herr Myron.

    My view of Steven not wanting to answer your questions – don’t blame him! I’ve seen his answers in past posts and he sounds the reasonable one to me.

    Another thing! I’ve also done the maths. If they’ve been going since 1998 and sell around 80 copies of their software a year that’s 12 years x 80 which comes to around 960 copies sold.

    So, why is it just you, Adam and a couple of others complaining? Why aren’t the other 950 odd on here agreeing with you?

    Can it be that happy customers don’t go seeking a blog and only the curious like me or people like you bother?

    @Davo,
    Where does it show selection criteria on here? Do tell. I’d like to check it out myself. Does it enable you to make picks?

    Comment by Ian — 19th May 2011 @ 11:09 am

  605. Ian if you read back you will see user complaining about the interpretation selection criteria a lot of people seem to think it is ambiguous. If it isn’t it would be easy to write a program to do the selections for them based on criteria inputted. If they did that there would be no way anyone can argue. As this would be easy I don’t understand why they wouldn’t, do you ? All smells a bit fishy to me.

    Comment by Davo — 19th May 2011 @ 11:17 am

  606. Ian you can’t really have a go at Adam for using his mates copy when all your evidence is “your mate rates it” it is also strange how you will attack people in defence of something you yourself have not bought. It’s also strange your desireto defend Steven so much. You are quite the champion 🙂 something very strange is going on here, which is really quite interesting.

    Comment by Davo — 19th May 2011 @ 11:32 am

  607. @Davo,

    Well you do the maths mate. If its no good – where’s the other unhappy 950 or so that must have bought from them over the years? Doesn’t add up – does it?

    It just makes me think that its worth checking out myself and no, before anyone asks, I am not going to go and come back on here to tell you lot if I’m happy with it. You can go yourself.

    Wouldn’t try and read too much into it, Davo. Simply too easy for anyone to put themselves up as a nasty expert and trash stuff. Besides that, as you said before it cant hurt to get a bit of balance on here eh?

    Anyway, you were right about blogging

    Comment by Ian — 19th May 2011 @ 12:07 pm

  608. Here’s a thought. Ever checked Tripadvisor before going away. Isn’t it funny how 3 or 4 bad comments can put you off a hotel thats had hundreds of other guests at the same time and been around for years?

    Comment by Ian — 19th May 2011 @ 12:10 pm

  609. Interesting comments Ian. I read somewhere that they changed the system and the new one has only been going two years. Maybe Steven can clarify.

    Comment by Davo — 19th May 2011 @ 12:31 pm

  610. Ian
    These results were not for the month of December (read my letter) which was when Steven told me to stop neither were they for October when barry told me to stop. During these months I got every selection correct. The results shown are for a moonth when Steven gacve me another free months ratings. As by then I had no faith in the system I just checked the results at hte end of the day,thats why some of these selections would have been wrong and for no other reason!

    Comment by andy b — 19th May 2011 @ 1:53 pm

  611. What a big effort you are making Ian in defence of Equinex, and you haven’t even purchased it?
    My friend who DID buy it, has told me the trip advisor analogy was one Steven used to him about this blog. What a co-incidence, as is you style of attack and those patronising comments sound familiar.
    Also familiar is the lack of evidence.

    Comment by Adam — 19th May 2011 @ 2:22 pm

  612. Gosh what a coincidence that Steven and Ian use the same analogy ! Gosh this is an interesting blog. Much more interesting than that other Equinex review blog http://equinexreview.blogspot.com. Ian or Steven maybe you should post at different times from the times Steven usually posts 🙂 if you are pretending to be someone else Steven whoop I mean Ian, I am all confused now.

    For now I will assume ian is not Steven even though they do have similar writing styles 🙂 Ian you are right satisfied customers would not seekout a blog like this, yet sone seem to have les and another chap now you have and you have nit even bought but you are here to defend it, very strange, but hey each to his own.

    Steven please answer my questions, as Steven and not Ian !!! How confusing 🙂

    Comment by Davo — 19th May 2011 @ 3:10 pm

  613. Steven,

    I must say the last two day have shown a considerable interest on this blog.
    You yourself seem to have woken up and posted your usual replies.

    Before bothering to answer comments from Ian, I have to ask you to explain your #601 where your reply to my #599 was, as you put it bluntly, “RUBBISH”! Can you now explain what you really mean by “RUBBISH”? Is it that you deny our telephone discussion on the 13th April 2011?
    Steven, allow me to remind you – I phoned Sharon, who mentioned that you were occupied on another phone call, but within seconds you returned my phone call. I assume you so called other phone call was not important enough. Can I also mention that I have recorded our telephone discussion. In your reply you have obviously conveniently forgotten the comments you made. Please allow me to remind you of some of your points.

    You tried to appease me by offering to travel to my home town of Bolton in order to convince me that your system works. Ah, but then you reneged on your kind offer by mentioning that you made that promise “in the heat of the moment!”. You then offered to pay me my travelling expenses to meet you at your offices – which I refused!

    Steven, are you now slightly recollecting our conversation?
    There is no doubt whatsoever that you mentioned and accepted that there are ambiguities in the interpretation of the graphs used by your software and you are in the process of developing a new method to obliterate these ambiguities.

    Maybe in your #601 you refer to this point as “RUBBISH”, as that was my only comment in #599. So it appears that you are blatantly denying this part of your phone discussion with myself – yes, a true salesman. Steven, let’s be an honest man, admit to our conversation and reply to my #599 directly!

    Yes, Steven, our phone call on the 13th April was quite lengthy and somewhat heated. Amongst other points, I reminded you of my challenge that I posed to you in my #537. To save you time in paging back through this forum I am pasting the relevant section:

    “I am now placing you a challenge. Telephone conferencing is now extremely cost effective and easy to set up. As you quote you (or your staff) take real time snapshots – which means a decision is made in real time – your staff (not a computer) is assigned to monitoring races on a live situation and making split level decisions. My challenge is as follows. Invite four or five people who sceptical of your system, to be on-line with you during the races for an entire month and, at the time (one minute before each and every race) declare via the conference call your decision. I, probably amongst many others, would be eager to participate. Using this method should not cost you any extra in your staff time, as you always quote, you take live real-time snapshots. With this challenge you will be able to put some credibility into your results. Should you decline this challenge without valid reasons, your snapshot reports of your performance will be deemed to be fraudulent.”

    In our phone discussion we discussed this challenge at length to which your reply was that it would be impossible for you to undertake this challenge, as you employ back-office staff (computers in my opinion) to take these snapshots, and then, quoting your words, on the next day you analyse these snapshots and decide which fitted your criteria. However, as you say in your #601 “In reply to 599 – rubbish! The criteria are clear cut. Your interpretation is not.”

    Steven, as you are now being reminded, much more was discussed during our telephone conversation. Questionable points were raised as to the precise timing of your decision ie: “one minute before the off”. You did insist very positively that the one minute before the off was based on the scheduled time of race and not the delayed start time. I questioned why you did not include a Clock on your screensnaps to which you replied that you would consider this suggestion – a suggestion I proposed 12 months ago and at that time was told that there was no room on your screensnaps.

    Further to the “one minute before the off” I mentioned that I have been monitoring the “money placed” on your selected horses and that I would probably be able to prove, with the amount of money placed, that your declared screensnaps are not one minute before the off based on the scheduled start time; you screensnaps are at random times before the actual start of the race. Maybe this point we can discuss at a future time.

    Steven, I could continue this post with more eye revealing comments, but for the time being I shall await an honest and realistic reply from you to this post.

    Thanking you in anticipation,

    Comment by Myron — 19th May 2011 @ 3:38 pm

  614. HA! What a shocker. I’m being accused of being Steven as well now. Thats comical Adam. Having a quick look through here I must be number 3 or 4 that you’ve accused of being Steven. Wot about poor Moron. Don’t you think he’s Steven too? They must be everywhere eh?

    Comment by Ian — 19th May 2011 @ 4:41 pm

  615. Well if I IP address fits ….. Ha ha ha

    Comment by Davo — 19th May 2011 @ 5:41 pm

  616. Very funny Ian but I am no Peirot! It’s only where analogies and writing styles are so familiar.
    Totally weird also (and not just to me it seems) as a non-customer your strength of feeling on this matter yet no vested interest? Mmm
    But of course no response to the points you don’t like or the ones you have no answer to. Maybe just a common trait!

    Comment by Adam — 19th May 2011 @ 6:02 pm

  617. Ian
    Please explain your comment in your #614 refering to “Wot about poor Moron.” Is that refering to me? If so I find this extremely insulting and an apology is required!

    Comment by Myron — 19th May 2011 @ 6:51 pm

  618. Ian,
    Have you no better things to do apart from trying to insult people?
    A responce to my #598 would be appreciated.
    Obviously there will be no responce from yourself unless helped and aided by other people.
    Who the #### are you.

    If I misinterpreted your previous blog then please accept my apology but you first need to explain your pevious comment.

    Comment by Myron — 19th May 2011 @ 7:03 pm

  619. Myron Ian/Steven will reply tomorrow when he gets into the office !!!! Check the post times of Steven and his and his imaginary friends ha ha.

    Comment by Davo — 19th May 2011 @ 7:19 pm

  620. Hi Davo.

    Good idea that! Do check the post times.

    Comment by Steven — 19th May 2011 @ 8:13 pm

  621. While you are here as Steven please answer the questions ? You know how it looks when you don’t answe direct questions. This situation is sooo interesting. Without looking back it is my guess that is the first time either you or your imaginary friends have posted after office hours. Having said that I am sure the group will begin to post at more random times. Steven you accuse other people of being predictable but yo me it is you who is predictable. You have not responded to Myron’s post regarding your phone call.

    Comment by Davo — 19th May 2011 @ 8:40 pm

  622. Steven,

    As you are making evening calls on this blog, any chance for a reply to my #613?

    You have no option but to defend youself!

    Answer my questions directly without any deviation on other topics. I have never used any offensive words or comments against you; all I want are honest answers with proof.

    Do you approve of Ian’s “Wot about poor Moron.” comment. What a ####### insult. And,in your blogs, you positivaly support Ian’s comments?

    Comment by Myron — 19th May 2011 @ 9:00 pm

  623. ‘While you are here as Steven’. LOL. Good one Davo.
    Wonder what ever happened to Les and Paul who briefly appeared and defended Equinex. No answer to questions posed to them as with all defenders of Equinex it appears.
    Jon must be due to be pulled out of the wardrobe for a turn again soon! Their lack of willingness to produce any proof or answer any questions just shows them up.
    Sorry but I can’t accept that “Ian” isn’t another creation when he hasn’t purchased the system, can’t possibly know that it works well yet comes on here not just fiercely defending it but insulting others too. And we are expected to believe he has no involvement in Equinex?
    Is it likely that Joe Bloggs would do that? The deceit and dishonest involved in this scam is breathtaking

    Comment by Adam — 19th May 2011 @ 11:48 pm

  624. Myron, you did call me and spoke loudly down the phone. I will not agree to drive to Bolton to see you but I did ask you to come and sit side by side with me at our offices and I would show you how to use the system properly and profitably but you kept refusing. So, I then offered to pay your fare to come and trade with me so you would see it works fine but you still refused.

    No, I don’t think Ian calling you moron is the right thing to do but by the same token he’s also not the first person on this blog to resort to name calling is he? And I don’t remember you saying that was unjustified or insulting!

    I explained to you that as you say you had difficulty in using the chart system I would be happy to show you another way of reading the ratings that is also profitable. You weren’t interested.

    So far as your challenge goes .. that is ludicrous. To expect me to stop running a business, marketing, sales and customer support and just sit on a phone with you and a couple of your friends for a month is madness.

    Here’s a much better idea!

    You call and make an appointment to come to our offices where I will show you how to use the ratings properly.

    If, at the end of a week … or even “an entire month” as you stated, you can prove you could not be in profit after sticking exactly to what I have shown you I will refund the down-payment you made and pay you another £1,000 on top.

    If however, I can prove you you would have been in profit providing you followed exactly what I tell you (it will also be given in writing to avoid any “ambiguity”) at the end of the agreed period then you pay me the balance of the full purchase price still outstanding being £2,000 + vat plus another £1,000 within 7 days of the end of the agreed period.

    I am quite happy to have this set in a legally binding contract so there is no misunderstanding.

    So, if you are right and the software system you bought is no good What have you got to lose?

    Comment by Steven — 19th May 2011 @ 11:57 pm

  625. Steven

    Do you remember what I said about a legitimate company. Myron is clearly not happy why don’t you simply refund him. The only reason I can think you wouldn’t refund him it would set a president and you would have to refund too many people.

    Another direct question for you to avoid. Why don’t you write an application to help with the selection process if it is so set in stone with no ambiguity ?

    I look forward to you ignoring that direct question along with the others I have asked you.

    Comment by Davo — 20th May 2011 @ 7:41 am

  626. On a side note you dismiss Myrons offer of a tele conference, because it would take up too much of your time yet you offer to spend a month “training” him in what you say is a simple system. Now that doesn’t make sense to me, why would it take a month if it is so simple. Ha ha ha please answer my questions below

    Comment by Davo — 20th May 2011 @ 7:46 am

  627. Re: 626.

    You’re not reading that properly, Davo. He can take the challenge for a week or the month he specified earlier. It wouldn’t take me more than a few minutes to explain how to do it. Besides, all the instructions needed are printed.

    RE: 625

    I will not pay a refund for a product that works perfectly well when the buyer has had a free trial and every opportunity to decide if they wish to purchase or not before doing so and then used it for some time.

    If you bought a car that you drove badly and ignored the correct operating instructions would you expect the manufacturer to happily take it back when they know you’ve used it and there’s nothing wrong with it? I don’t think so.

    We did have the logic completed for an automated selection process for VSRX but at that time the exchange implemented a maximum free API call rate the details of which I am not at liberty to discuss. However, anyone with our trading app only has to look on the Options menu to find out more about that limit.

    There you are, Davo. Your question not ignored but answered directly. Now, how about you answer mine? What does any of this have to do with you? My challenge is directed to Myron. He says ‘it doesn’t work’. I say it does – and am happy to give him the incentive to prove it for me!

    Maybe you are an existing blogger using another name! I know you have said that you like coming on here because you think bloggng is fun and just like to get a ‘rise’ out of anyone …

    Unless it’s that you would like to take up my challenge too?

    As you’re not a software owner and have never been to our offices I am sure you understand that we would naturally agree on a bigger challenge sum to include full software cost plus say, 20% interest money.

    Is that direct enough for you, Davo?

    I look forward to hearing back from you guys about this challenge. I know it works and will be happy to get you to prove it. You know our phone number – just click the Steven link and select Contact Details to get it if you can’t remember it.

    I’m sure if you or Myron have a big enough incentive you would stick rigidly to the criteria I give you for using the ratings – wouldn’t you?

    Comment by Steven — 20th May 2011 @ 9:03 am

  628. Interesting your answer Steven, maybe you should revisit that option. There is a problem with your challenge. As I understand it you do not operate this system in real time and the selections are open to interpretation. So unless you are prepared to operate it in real time how can we determine who’s selections are the right ones . Picking winners after the race and making a winner meet certain criteria is easy. So the only way that you can prove it works is by operating it at the same time as the people taking the challenge. Again unless you operate the system and prove the results or operate the system in the same room at the same time as your challengers.

    That’s one of my direct questions now how about the rest of them, do you operate this system yourself and make the profits you claim ?

    Comment by Davo — 20th May 2011 @ 9:49 am

  629. Very good comeback Davo.
    If the clock dosnt appear on the screenshots the following dear can they be trusted not to cook the books?
    However, on balance I think Myron should take up the challenge. It’s his best chance for a refund, but I’d advise him to proceed with caution

    Comment by Adam — 20th May 2011 @ 10:29 am

  630. Apologies, the following day that should read

    Comment by Adam — 20th May 2011 @ 10:30 am

  631. Well said, Davo. I’m sure if Steven says he is willing to put it all in a legally binding contract he will also be happy to provide a method of using the ratings with clear cut guidelines that leave no room for “interpretation”. Is that right Steven?

    Davo, I’m sure you’ll be happy to take up his challenge on that basis.

    Another thing. You asked about me defending Steven when I don’t own the program yet myself (just like you). If what Steven is saying is true – it looks like you’ll be the next new owner of the software after this. lol

    Comment by Ian — 20th May 2011 @ 10:41 am

  632. @ Adam

    Good advice Adam. I think you should take up the challenge too. You can be the cautious one to make sure its all above board and give all the advice.

    Comment by Ian — 20th May 2011 @ 11:14 am

  633. Sure I will take up the challenge if Steven is willing to operate it in real time along side me. It is the only way I could be sure he was making the selections he says. Ian/Steven I wait for Steven to answer my questions not his aler ego ha ha ! It is obvious to every independant reader that Ian is Steven, this is making you look even more crooked Steven.

    Comment by Davo — 20th May 2011 @ 11:30 am

  634. I actually no longer have the funds for this software, as I purchased a home based franchise. But maybe this way I could get a free copy but what would the point be if Steven lost his challenge it would prove it did not work ha ha ha this is soo strange. I cannot believe any legitimate businesses owner operating in the way Steven does it is quite unbelievable.

    Comment by Davo — 20th May 2011 @ 11:35 am

  635. Ian,
    I have already explained I am not willing to waste time on this so called investment with evidence i.e. betfair statements.
    And the issues around that (Steven’s new found refusal to produce any) have made me suspicious enough alone not to attend these free trials.
    As is your identity as another example of why I wouldn’t proceed to the next stage. You still have explained the bizarre circumstances around why you defend this so fiercely, even to the point of insulting people, yet you don’t even buy it yourself!!
    Then you wonder why people think you are Steven or maybe Barry. Time to revise your thinking/story mate, it’s not looking at all logical.

    Comment by Adam — 20th May 2011 @ 1:41 pm

  636. Re Steven’s post 627 –

    “We did have the logic completed for an automated selection process for VSRX but at that time the exchange implemented a maximum free API call rate the details of which I am not at liberty to discuss. However, anyone with our trading app only has to look on the Options menu to find out more about that limit.”

    Interesting comment. VERY similar to the excuse why a brilliant new lay system wasn’t introduced by Equinex over 3 years ago. That was about the time when Betfair ACTUALLY introduced the maximum free API call rate. It was a shame for us customers because after such a bad and unprofitable year both Steve and Barry were highly excited that this system was the one that was going to recoup our losses. We were really looking forward to it for months. It was even more of a shame because this system was going to remove any ambiguity in the selection process. And then – well, Betfair’s new free API limit prevented it from being used. Does this sound familiar Myron?

    Same old, same old.

    Comment by david — 21st May 2011 @ 7:33 am

  637. @Adam

    No great mystery here. Looking back over how much you’ve written you don’t seem worried about wasting your time on this blog. Especially for a bloke that never bought it.

    I’m starting to think you, Myron and Davo are all the same bloke.

    Davo says he never bought it and is only on here cos he was interested in it but has trashed it from day one. Myron says he had it and it don’t work and from what I’ve read you never bought it or went to their offices to learn to use it properly so why not take up his challenge?

    If he’s right you just pay a bit extra for something that’s going to make you plenty of money. If you’re right he pays you a load of money?

    If none of you take up his challenge when you’ve got nothing to lose there’s definitely something fishy going on here and its not me pal! Maybe its because you’re all Myron?

    And why defend it? Simples, the internet is infested with a minority of people who know nothing or next to nothing about stuff they trash on blogs and in my book both sides should be called on to prove their claims in a fair and balanced way.

    From what I’ve seen on here you’ve been offered the chance to prove what you say but look for any way out.

    I see Davo in 633 said he WOULD take up the challenge at 11:30 then 5 minutes later he realised he’d probably be about to get proven wrong and wrote blog 634 at 11:35 backing out saying he don’t have the money to buy it anyway.

    What a joke!

    Comment by Ian — 21st May 2011 @ 10:46 am

  638. Ian/Steven

    It is a challenge that cannot take place unless you I mean Steven operates it along side me. Having said that I would only paper trade as I am not prepared to rises my money on something which is clearly flawed. If You whoops I mean Steven won’t use the system I’ll be dammed if I will use my own.

    Ok Steven and I mean Steven answe how you propose this challenge take place . Unless you operate it in real time along side us, it can’t because after Reading here you are clearly very un trustworthy. The only way this can happen is if you take Myrons challenge, that way you could operate it in read time. Why you keep comming on here pretending to be Ian proves a lot to a lot of people. Originally I was sumply looking into the system then o got intersted in this blog and posting. However your attitude towards my question has arrisen my suspicions about you and now I beleive I have firmed an opinion about you.

    Comment by Davo — 21st May 2011 @ 11:19 am

  639. Comment to Adam from Ian, post 637

    “From what I’ve seen on here you’ve been offered the chance to prove what you say but look for any way out.”

    Er yes Ian, very much like Steve has been offered the chance. But clever way of trying to turn it all round.

    Comment by david — 21st May 2011 @ 12:07 pm

  640. @david .. you must be the new alias on here to rescue the Adam alias.

    Seems to me none of you have the bottle to take up his challenge, eh?

    Comment by Ian — 21st May 2011 @ 1:36 pm

  641. Ian/Steven I think you will find that I will take the challenge up if you/Steven operate the system in real time as I would have to. It seems to me you/Steven is the one who lacks bottle to even use your own system. Amazing how you think a challenge can take place, who would determine the selections ? Steven the day after ? Ha ha . Or will my results/selections even if they don’tatch the fabricated ones you put up the next day ?

    Comment by Davo — 21st May 2011 @ 1:42 pm

  642. Still no answer to my question I see. Certainly in the style of Steven, anything but a direct answer.
    So I will repeat, if its so good why don’t you buy it or take up this so-called challenge? Muddying the waters dosn’t disguise the elephant in the room!!

    Comment by Adam — 21st May 2011 @ 4:18 pm

  643. Here’s a few interesting questions for everyone to ask themselves.
    Is it a co-incidence that Steven is posting less now that Ian has come on the scene?
    And how come Steven isn’t interested in taking Ian to the next stage in purchasing the software? Zero communication between them.
    Also what happened to Les and Paul are no longer answering questions on this?
    The whole thing stinks to high heaven. Esther Rantzen and ‘That’s Life’ would have had a field day here

    Comment by Adam — 21st May 2011 @ 4:35 pm

  644. Ian,

    Grow up and behave like a Man!
    Now give me a polite answer to my previous question to you where I asked:

    Please explain your comment in your #614 refering to “Wot about poor Moron.” Is that refering to me? If so I find this extremely insulting and an apology is required!

    Go on, be a Man and explain your comment!

    Comment by Myron — 22nd May 2011 @ 11:16 am

  645. Interested how Steven (as Steven not Ian 🙂 ) suggests carrying out this challenge. Is he going to actually use the system to prove his results. What a challenge that would be. A challenge to use his own system. I’m still amazed how he doesn’t or have any of his staff operate it in real time ! Has anyone got a copy of Equinex advertising brochure ? I would be interested to know if they claim to use it to produce the profits they claim ? If they do there could be a case for you chaps who are not happy !

    Comment by Davo — 22nd May 2011 @ 11:09 pm

  646. OK Davo/Adam,

    For someone that says he has never used the system or even has the money to buy it you seem to be very interested in trying to put it down.

    I have offered you both a £6,000 CHALLENGE whereby you get opportunity to use the VSR ratings with a clear-cut selection method laid out in a legally binding contract and monitored by a member of the legal profession.

    If what you say is right – I pay you. If what I say is right and the system produces the profits I say it will – you pay us!

    You can even paper-trade and keep the profit record that way if you don’t want to use real money.

    Myron, you have been offered a similar challenge. Only the bet amount is different.

    What have you got to lose, guys? Take up my CHALLENGE and you’ll end up with a fantastic money-making system and know how to use it properly OR, if you’re right you’ll be £6k better off.

    Unless of course, taking cheap, anonymous shots at someone over the internet rather than building something is somehow, more fun for you?

    Comment by Steven — 23rd May 2011 @ 9:06 am

  647. Steven
    Adam has used this system and says the selection process is ambiguous. I have read numerous posts which claim the same. So that being said there is no point in running this challenge unless you make the selections in real time. The question is why are YOU not prepared to make the selections in real time ? If I have read here is true, then it is obvious why you won’t operate it in real time. You seem to be comming up with all sorts of elaborate plans not to operate your own system. So here is my challenge to you operate your system in real time to prove your results, it is the only way a challenge can take place this is the circumstances any same person would take the challenge. Have read what I have read here, there is no way I would trust anything you did unless I could actually see proof of you doing it in real time. WHY WONT YOU OPERATE YOUR SYSTEM IN REAL TIME ? Could the answer be because that way you cannot fake your results. Steven people Reading this, including me can only come to one conclusion.

    Comment by Davo — 23rd May 2011 @ 10:18 am

  648. Yes Davo there is a whole host of unanswered questions all of which if addressed I may consider Steven’s offer, but lets not put the cart before the horse, first things first.
    Why on earth would anyone consider going near Equinex in Cheshunt with so many unanswered questions on this blog? With so many people claiming these graghs are ambigious why would I waste my time to see more ambiguity? Steven you haven’t produced a shred of evidence that this works in real time, your next day screenshots mean nothing when they can be so easily contrived.
    Instead of putting up pointless challenges which no one will take until you address the points on this blog which you continually skirt over, ADDRESS THE QUESTIONS! Then and only then will anyone, including me, consider any offers

    Comment by Adam — 23rd May 2011 @ 11:18 am

  649. Adam/Davo/Myron

    To prove what you are saying is not true I have offered a direct challenge to you which amounts to a £6,000 bet EACH that I can show you how to use our excellent VSR ratings to generate profits.

    Each time you try to find a way not to say Yes!

    To any normal person this could not make sense because:

    a)If I am wrong you win a lot of money.

    b)If you are wrong – you buy the software you are so keen to besmirch at the full asking price plus £1,000 and end up using it to make money.

    What have you got to lose?

    As mentioned before I am quite happy to have the whole thing officiated over and contracted by a legal eagle so you we are all aware of our agreement and bound to fulfil its obligations at the end of the challenge period. With all our monies paid into escrow beforehand, payment will be assured for all parties concerned.

    Also, as you seem so keen to see me using the system in person I will even set aside a period of say, one week, for you to come to our offices daily and watch me using the ratings and making steady profits. That way the results are proved in real time to you as you request as you will actually be there watching it happen in real-time AND you will be on hand to pay your bets person at the end of the challenge.

    Now, is there any reason left for you not to take up my challenge to you?

    Comment by Steven — 23rd May 2011 @ 10:28 pm

  650. So you will set aside a week for this challenge, and operate the system in real time ? That’s great, you can simply take Myron up on his challenge and do it via a tele conferencing facility. You still have not said whether you will use the system you advertise your result for ? You are slippery I will give you that. What reason have you got not to take Myron up on his challenge ? You prove your system works via a teleconferencing facitity picking your winners in real time ? You know full well people will not travel hundreds of miles spending a week in a hotel etc. You used the time factor as an excuse on why you wouldn’t take Myron up on his offer. Now you are willing to dedicate a full week to it. You can take him up in his challenge. Now what have you got to loose ?

    Comment by Davo — 23rd May 2011 @ 11:09 pm

  651. This is like talking to a brick wall.
    He expects us to spend a week on his challenge and he won’t even answer simple questions on this blog.
    How on earth do you trust such a person???

    Comment by Adam — 23rd May 2011 @ 11:36 pm

  652. Hi, to Steve – Is this challenge/bet open to anybody?

    Comment by Don Kiddick — 24th May 2011 @ 5:34 am

  653. Adam?Davo? You have never bought our software or been to our offices for proper training.

    Anyone reading this blog can clearly see you have been offered a cast iron opportunity and a £6,000 wager several times to prove me wrong and each time you avoid it.

    Come on, guys! If you’re telling the truth about our software you’ll make £6,000 each. What have you got to lose? Unless of course – you’re wrong or lying! In which case it will cost you £6,000 each.

    Comment by Steven — 24th May 2011 @ 10:59 am

  654. It is true I havenever been to your office or had any training
    . It is also true that I don’t even know the selection process etc. What I do know is that it is that people on here say it is ambiguous. You claim it is easy why would I need any training ? Now I for one am not prepared to spend a week at your offices when you won’t even spend a couple of days doing a tele conference. All I know is how you have conducted yourself on here, and that does not look good. I have asked you direct question after direct question which you ignore. You refuse to give your selections out in real time to prove it works. You don’t use your own system ( I assume you don’t due to your lack of response to questions) The only reason for this elaborate challenge is you know Prople can’t spend a full week at your offices etc. All I have ever wanted is for you to explain why you won’t use your own system. Also to prove it works, all you have to do is take Myron up on his challenge of a teleconference and prove in real time you get the results you claim. That is where I stand anybody researching you company can come on here and make their own minds up about who is lying. They can see for themselves, like I did how you operate. You make claim here claims there never back them up you don’t answe direct questions you come up with grand plans to scare people of with elaborate challenges which you know are not practical. However there is a real practical way of shutting the people up on here who have used your system and failed because as you say the can’t follow dimple instruction ( if they are that simple why the need for training?) In short use your system via a teleconferencing facility with Myron as he has paid for your system,ale you selections in real time prove it works and there you have it you have proven every one wrong. If you are not prepared to do that people can make their own minds up why not

    Comment by Davo — 24th May 2011 @ 12:06 pm

  655. Quick Request:

    Please can we get back on topic?

    I really don’t want to see insults on here, nor arguing about unrelated issues.

    Also, I don’t want to have to clean any comments up or delete them.

    So, I’ll allow 10 more comments and if the discussion hasn’t reverted back to Equinex and user experiences of the software, comments will be turned off.

    Thanks

    Comment by Ben — 24th May 2011 @ 1:45 pm

  656. At last! Many thanks for that Ben. You have hit the nail well and truly on the head. Lets have comments only from people who have had positive experiences like myself & Ian and users with negative experiences. We really can do without all of the mud slinging that has been going on from individuals who have had no experience of using the systems.

    I have posted comments on here both positive & negative in the past. All that has happened with my positive comments is that various individuals have shouted down whatever it is that I have had to say. In the end i just got very annoyed at the constant sniping by people who are old enough and mature(?) enough to know better.Suffice to say this is what has stopped me from commenting again until today!

    This used to be an interesting forum to discuss the product and Company on. Let’s get back to what it was please, and anybody who wants to add derogatory comments about what I have written, then shame on you.

    Comment by Jon — 24th May 2011 @ 3:01 pm

  657. Fair enough Ben. As I have never used the software. I have nothing to add. Good Luck all

    Comment by Davo — 24th May 2011 @ 3:03 pm

  658. Steve I might want to take you up on your challenge but we’d obviously have to determine what level of profit is going to be attained. Are we going to base it around the sort of profits you get each week (as published on Equinex.com) to £100 stakes?

    Comment by Don Kiddick — 24th May 2011 @ 4:14 pm

  659. Don,

    You are welcome to take up a similar challenge with us but as far as I am aware you are a new enquirer and I really do not want to penalise you by asking you to pay £1,000 extra when we are proved right.

    Instead, as your enquiry comes through BizOppsBlog.com we will be happy to deduct all profits attained through use of VSR during your one week trial based on £100 level stakes (up to £1,000 maximum) from the normal purchase price.

    Please call our offices and set up a date to see it working in real-time. We will start your week trial 7 days prior to that. All information will be sent to you via email before any racing takes place.

    I will be happy to explain how it works when you call and also tell you what average profit minimum you can expect to see and how you can keep track of performance before you arrive at our offices.

    Our contact numbers can be found by clicking on the link (my name) below.

    Comment by Steven — 24th May 2011 @ 5:08 pm

  660. Hmm interesting. I wouldn’t put it past Steven to actually stage something like this. Interesting how Don called Steven, Steve, maybe he is familar with him. Nice name Don ha ha ha. That’s me signing off, Ben has made it clear he wants this to be a review blog. Maybe Steven should respect that also instead of his self promoting BS. Good luck “Dom” be careful this guy is slippery !

    Comment by Davo — 24th May 2011 @ 5:25 pm

  661. My last point and I really mean it this time. Dom I have just checked Equinex.com and there are no results published on there. They mane in the members area I don’t know, interested to know where you saw the results ? Either you are a member or you know something.

    Comment by Davo — 24th May 2011 @ 5:32 pm

  662. Steven

    I may also want to take your offer. How will you varify the results ? What happens if I think one horse is a bet but you don’t or visa versa? Will the legal eagle be present at all times ? Will he/she be a member of the bar ? I take it you will pay for their time.

    Comment by Mike Hunt — 25th May 2011 @ 8:42 am

  663. This is hilarious. Jon goes on about personal insults then he throws a few around himself.
    Yes I think I will pack this in too. Not because of whats being said but because of whats NOT being said!
    Steven NEVER answers questions so he clearly has something to hide.
    His offers are a diversion away from questions.
    I was interested in this but I’ve heard enough.
    I hope those who have purchased this still can’t make it work due to ambiguity will continue to warn potential customers

    Comment by Adam — 25th May 2011 @ 9:52 am

  664. To Steve, Thanks for discount offer (although isn’t this discount offered nationally in the Express). To Davo, if you go to http://www.equitrack.net you’ll come to the VSR-X website. I’m assuming this is the system we’re talking about? If you look at the left hand menu, second down click “what is VSR -X”, then “click here” in the first paragraph and the results page comes up.
    I may be interested in a trial but whilst I’ve been doing my research a fair few people have posted on this site, and another couple of sites I’ve found, that Equinex/Equitrack give the selections after the race? Not sure how that works. Steve, just to be clear, with the information that you’ll send me before my visit, you will be giving me the actual selections to bet before the race and not what I should have bet on after the race has run, like quite a few comments are saying?
    Has anybody got this? Do they tell you what to bet on before the race or not? There’s loads of systems I’ve looked at that make their results fit round unviable formulas.

    Comment by Don Kiddick — 25th May 2011 @ 10:56 am

  665. Oh yes, thanks for that Dom. Just a couple of points which you may want to ask Steven because he refused to answer me constantly in the begining when I was actually interest 1 does he operate the system he adverises himself ?(I assume he does not) 2 from what I have read from users Equinex seemed to make there selections the next day. I would urge extreme caution when dealing with thus chap. Good luck. I really cannot add anything more as I wish to respect Ben’s wishes

    Comment by Davo — 25th May 2011 @ 11:14 am

  666. Davo/Adam.

    #661 Go to Specsavers, You’ll get two for the price of one!

    Look in the left-hand column on our .net website, Click on ‘How much can I make?’ then click on … wait for it …. “Click Here” in the middle of the page to see the daily and weekly profits or losses to £100 stakes.

    A copy of the same figures is also updated daily and is on view to all subscribers in our Members Area along with a screen-capture taken just before the start of each qualifying race and showing our ratings and live prices just before the ‘off’.

    Davo/Adam, you have publicly admitted you have never bought our software or been to our offices and so have nothing honest or constructive to say, yet you still blog here and accuse anyone who says positive things or shows interest of working for the company or lying about their identity.

    As you obviously ‘get your kicks’ from trying to cause commercial harm just for the “fun” of it I think its time you realised your spiteful pastime and unwarranted abuse can have serious and very real repercussions:

    To Ben (Moderator) I am quite happy to answer questions and queries on your blog from genuine enquirers and existing customers as openly and as honestly as I can without publicly revealing commercial secrets. We have an excellent product and are happy to demonstrate it and prove its worth to any serious enquirers.

    However, it is clear that despite your earlier request, that “Davo/Adam” who do(es) not own our software or ever been to our offices or trained by us is trying to use your blog to deliberately, childishly and maliciously level unjustified abuse and cause commercial harm. He/They attack(s) and insult any blog user who has something positive to say or honest question to ask.

    I believe there is no agreement on this site that requires you to protect someone’s anonymity under such extenuating circumstances.

    While Davo/Adam (it is quite possible they are the same person) has probably set up a ‘bogus’ email address to manufacture their identities for this blog, they can be tracked until they are identified.

    I do not think it is in anyone’s best interest that such people should be allowed to use ‘bogus’ names to misuse internet forums like this and anonymously slander and cause harm without justification and I wish to find them and institute legal proceedings against him/them if they do not cease immediately..

    As you now have my email address, I ask you to please forward all details you hold for them: email address, IP address, unique PC identifier information such as O/S etc all of which is available from your own webstats interface or ISP … if one more comment appears from them on this blog.

    Comment by Steven — 25th May 2011 @ 11:17 am

  667. If you have trouble finding our .net website, click on my name below.

    Comment by Steven — 25th May 2011 @ 11:18 am

  668. Hi Don.

    Yes, this is the same offer we ran in the national press for a week. As with all such things a limited promotional budget was allocated for it. You will probably have noted that offer is no longer advertised now that the promotion has expired.

    I was just offering to extend the benefit of the offer for you as your enquiry came to us via BizOppsBlog.com.

    We do not give selections after the race. We merely record what is on-screen just before the start of the race (ratings, selections if any and live-odds software) and that is emailed out to potential buyers. Most have absolutely no problem with this.

    However, there is also another option but it can not be offered at a discounted price:

    If you would like to call us and arrange a convenient date for a visit and sign our non-disclosure agreement we will be happy to show you how it all works in real-time.

    Then, if you make a minimum 30% down-payment on our software and agree to pay in full at the end of a one-week trial (subject to it achieving the profit minimum we will project in writing before it starts) we will also tell you how to make selections yourself.

    We will then email a copy of the VSR ratings to you daily for one week .. before racing takes place and you can make the selections yourself in the comfort of your own home.

    If, at the end of the week it has made or exceeds the profit minimum we projected, you pay the balance of the full purchase price within 72 hours and your software will be despatched to you immediately. If it has not hit or exceeded the stated profits we will return your down-payment immediately.

    Don, it might cost you a little more to take this option but I think it fits your requirement. If you wish to take this further or have any questions about this that we can answer prior to your visit, please call.

    Comment by Steven — 25th May 2011 @ 12:24 pm

  669. Hehe it is funny should mention spec savers Steven, I have just been. I was in the beginning interested in your software. However you would not answer my questions and became rather agressive towords me. I have stated that as Ben wishes to keep this as a review blog I will no longer post as I cannot review your system. I have however read on here other people who have bought your system and are not happy. The only commercial harm being done is by yourself as you won’t answer questions. You have just stated that you are prepared to answer questions about your software but when asked you don’t. I did find your results page as Dom had already pointed it put to me and I thanked him for that. I don’t really know what significance your results page has because let’s face it you could put anything on there unless they are varified by a third party. Also I believe you make the selections after the race has run the results cannot be claimed as profits. You may want to check how you word that. I wish Dom good luck in getting the answers to his questions which I never could. Maybe you could answer Dom’s questions like you have stated you are prepared to. If you are not prepared to answer the questions posed on here maybe you should post either and respect Ben’s wishes ( like I am doing) and leave this as a review blog for people who have actually used tour system. As I have stated I am respecting Dom’s wishes and therefore I will not respond anymore of your abuse.

    Comment by Davo — 25th May 2011 @ 12:50 pm

  670. Whoops I must have missed Stevens last post. I apologise for that Steven, it would seem your are answering his questions.

    Comment by Davo — 25th May 2011 @ 12:58 pm

  671. Just so Don doesn’t miss the following reply:

    Hi Don.

    Yes, this is the same offer we ran in the national press for a week. As with all such things a limited promotional budget was allocated for it. You will probably have noted that offer is no longer advertised now that the promotion has expired.

    I was just offering to extend the benefit of the offer for you as your enquiry came to us via BizOppsBlog.com.

    We do not give selections after the race. We merely record what is on-screen just before the start of the race (ratings, selections if any and live-odds software) and that is emailed out to potential buyers. Most have absolutely no problem with this.

    However, there is also another option but it can not be offered at a discounted price:

    If you would like to call us and arrange a convenient date for a visit and sign our non-disclosure agreement we will be happy to show you how it all works in real-time.

    Then, if you make a minimum 30% down-payment on our software and agree to pay in full at the end of a one-week trial (subject to it achieving the profit minimum we will project in writing before it starts) we will also tell you how to make selections yourself.

    We will then email a copy of the VSR ratings to you daily for one week .. before racing takes place and you can make the selections yourself in the comfort of your own home.

    If, at the end of the week it has made or exceeds the profit minimum we projected, you pay the balance of the full purchase price within 72 hours and your software will be despatched to you immediately. If it has not hit or exceeded the stated profits we will return your down-payment immediately.

    Don, it might cost you a little more to take this option but I think it fits your requirement. If you wish to take this further or have any questions about this that we can answer prior to your visit, please call.

    Comment by Steven — 25th May 2011 @ 1:12 pm

  672. Side note to Ben. Under the data protection act and privacy of electronic communictions regulations you cannot obtain any IP address from a 3rd party without a court order.

    Comment by Davo — 25th May 2011 @ 1:32 pm

  673. Just so Don doesn’t miss the following reply:

    Hi Don.

    Yes, this is the same offer we ran in the national press for a week. As with all such things a limited promotional budget was allocated for it. You will probably have noted that offer is no longer advertised now that the promotion has expired.

    I was just offering to extend the benefit of the offer for you as your enquiry came to us via BizOppsBlog.com.

    We do not give selections after the race. We merely record what is on-screen just before the start of the race (ratings, selections if any and live-odds software) and that is emailed out to potential buyers. Most have absolutely no problem with this.

    However, there is also another option but it can not be offered at a discounted price:

    If you would like to call us and arrange a convenient date for a visit and sign our non-disclosure agreement we will be happy to show you how it all works in real-time.

    Then, if you make a minimum 30% down-payment on our software and agree to pay in full at the end of a one-week trial (subject to it achieving the profit minimum we will project in writing before it starts) we will also tell you how to make selections yourself.

    We will then email a copy of the VSR ratings to you daily for one week .. before racing takes place and you can make the selections yourself in the comfort of your own home.

    If, at the end of the week it has made or exceeds the profit minimum we projected, you pay the balance of the full purchase price within 72 hours and your software will be despatched to you immediately. If it has not hit or exceeded the stated profits we will return your down-payment immediately.

    Don, it might cost you a little more to take this option but I think it fits your requirement. If you wish to take this further or have any questions about this that we can answer prior to your visit, please call.

    Comment by Steven – May 25, 2011 @ 1:12 pm

    Comment by Steven — 25th May 2011 @ 2:30 pm

  674. Steven I have been looking into your product. If I had a trial, could you send me the selections before the race so I can see the results ? I don’t understand what you mean by “we record what is on screen at the time of the race” I don’t see how it could be a trial if you don’t do it before the race. All I would be interested in would be the results.

    Comment by Jay — 25th May 2011 @ 3:15 pm

  675. I doubt he will miss it Steven you have posted it three times. Why don’t you just email him the selections before the race ?

    Comment by Davo — 25th May 2011 @ 5:18 pm

  676. Jay.

    As explained to Don. Yes, you can not only have the ratings for every UK race of the day emailed to you for the race but we will also show you how to pick qualifying selections from our ratings yourself before the races start.

    I am away for a few days but if you would like to call we will be happy to explain further and to arrange a date for you to come and see us and I will show you how it works.

    Comment by Steven — 26th May 2011 @ 2:47 am

  677. Thank You for your reply Steven, before I take this any further. I am still not sure what you mean. Could you please explain in more detail? Do you send me the actual selections before the race? Or do you send me all the software etc and show me how I can make the selections for a for each race ?

    Comment by Jay — 26th May 2011 @ 9:24 am

  678. Interesting threat from Steve to sue Adam/Davo for leaving negative comments.
    Well I’m happy to go on public record (as I have done before on this blog) to say that I bought the Equinex software May 2007, followed the guidelines to the letter (this was when they used to sell it as a win/place system) and lost money every month bar 1 until September. There was a variety of excuses for the poor performance, from corrupt jockies, bent clerks, bad weather to false “going”. Barry told me that he had advised members to stop using the system some time before – a little late for me.
    Anyway, continuing, we were adised to try various other methods of using the guidelines – ALL of which consistantly lost money. What followed was more excuses, similar to the excuses that other members have reported on this blog.

    After about 15 months of losing money, self doubt and my personal confidence in tatters I called it a day. It wasn’t until I read about the experiences of others on this blog that I realised, despite what Steve and Barry used to tell me, I was far from being the only one.
    So Steve, as far as I am concerned, you took my £5000 and delivered NOTHING but misery in return – I think you ripped me off.

    That is my experinece of Equinex.

    Steve, I challenge you to refute what I have written. Transfer your threat of libel from Adam/Davo to me. My address has changed since I was a member but you have my number (if not it’s posted earlier on this blog); if you give me a ring I’ll be me more than happy to give you my address for the summons.

    Comment by David — 26th May 2011 @ 2:27 pm

  679. Steven,

    I thought that you would be pleased to hear that I am still around and am taking legal advise re your challenge.

    In the mean time could you be more transparent and fully explain to Don and Jay your meaning of:

    “If, at the end of the week it has made or exceeds the profit minimum we projected, you pay the balance of the full purchase price within 72 hours and your software will be despatched to you immediately. If it has not hit or exceeded the stated profits we will return your down-payment immediately.”

    What do you mean by “it has made”? Do you refer to Don’s or Jay’s profits by using your system, or do you mean the profits that could have made by using your ratings and deciding on the results after the race has finished?

    You yet have not denied that you do not use your system real-time!

    Comment by Myron — 27th May 2011 @ 3:41 pm

  680. I may wait to see the results of this challenge before I look into this any further. It all seems a bit complicated. From my point of view if the trial lets me

    1 Have the selections sent to me before the race. I have just had a free trail of a tipping service. They send me a text and an email if there was a selection at least an hour before the race. If this is the same type of trial, I’ll be happy to take it.

    2 Have a copy of the software sent to me and all relevant data. Have instructions to make the selection etc. I would be happy to have a free trial.

    Is that how the trail works ? Any input from members would be great also.

    Thanks

    J

    Comment by Jay — 27th May 2011 @ 4:22 pm

  681. Hi Myron

    Could you get in contact please – if you leave a text I’ll call you back. 07890 946582

    Comment by David — 29th May 2011 @ 11:39 am

  682. Am I expected to take this threat to sue me seriously?
    Bring it on Steven. I would enjoy the prospect of you being laughed out of Court.
    Since when has free speech died in this country? I have used this system and I have gave my verdict. Others on here have too. I can produce the software, the manual and the guidelines to prove I have used it.
    Others deserve to be warned about how they spend their hard earned money.
    As much as you would like this blog to be a marketing tool Steven those who have used this and disagree that it works will continue to have their voice and threats to sue them won’t make them go away.

    Comment by Adam — 29th May 2011 @ 3:43 pm

  683. Hi Davo,

    I have read with interest all your posts on this blog and, according to my logical and analytical thinking, they do make sense – they do ask pertinent questions regarding the Equinex system that any enquirer or potential future user should have honest answers to.

    However, as you have experienced, Steven avoids giving direct answers and starts threatening people with legal proceedings.

    You have often asked Steven if he uses the system himself – one of the many questions that he has not replied to.
    If you look at the public area of Equinex’s web site under “VSR-X Home” you will see a paragraph quoting:

    “In order to protect our profits (we use it too) we will only allow up to 89 copies to be sold in 2011.”

    The words “we use it too” are the interesting ones which state that Equinex do use the system.

    However, in my initial challenge to Steven, he replied in his #624:
    “So far as your challenge goes .. that is ludicrous. To expect me to stop running a business, marketing, sales and customer support and just sit on a phone with you and a couple of your friends for a month is madness.”

    His reply to me quite clearly indicates that neither he, nor any of his staff, has time to use the Equinex system in real time. Before Steven asks me why do I mention “nor any of his staff”, I wish to remind him that I did not request in my challenge for him himself to run this teleconference, any of his staff who use the system in real time should be able to perform this task.

    Here we go again, more ambiguities, what Equinex publish on their Web site does not correspond with what Steven says!

    Comment by Myron — 30th May 2011 @ 10:19 pm

  684. Does anyone have any information about http://equinexreview.blogspot.com/

    I have also found an interesting review http://www.bizoppsblog.com/65/independent-review-of-the-equitrack-vsr-system-from-equinex-limited/

    Comment by Myron — 2nd June 2011 @ 3:48 pm

  685. Hi Myron,

    I am back now and pleased to read you are employing logical and analytical thinking and would therefore like to offer you a straight-forward opportunity of:

    a) watching me use the ratings and making steady profits myself and …

    b) showing you how to do it too … side-by-side and in real-time.

    I am sure this would be a positive experience for you and one that will offer you real benefit as you would have all your questions answered directly and in person.

    Additionally, I assure you that you would leave here knowing how to use the ratings profitably and also knowing how you could continue to use them profitably yourself once you left.

    Over to you, Myron; You can either continue mud-slinging or come along for a meeting and I will show you how to use the ratings.

    If you can’t make on-target profits by sticking to what I show you by the end of a month I will return the down-payment you made on the purchase price of the software.

    However, if I prove to you that you can make on-target profits by the end of a month and show you how to do it yourself, you pay the outstanding balance of the purchase price for your copy of our software.

    Surely, that has to represent a win-win for you, Myron.

    If you are right – you win.

    If I am right you win … and keep on winning!

    Hopefully, your logical and analytical thinking will tell you this is a simple and straight-forward offer to help you get the best out of what I truly believe to be an excellent product.

    Comment by Steven — 2nd June 2011 @ 4:57 pm

  686. Hi Myron,

    In case you missed my earlier post I am back now and pleased to read your comment and would therefore like to offer you a straight-forward opportunity of:

    a) watching me use the ratings and making steady profits myself and …

    b) showing you how to do it too … side-by-side and in real-time.

    I am sure this would be a positive experience for you and one that will offer you real benefit as you would have all your questions answered directly and in person.

    Additionally, I assure you that you would leave here knowing how to use the ratings profitably and also knowing how you could continue to use them profitably yourself once you left.

    If you can’t make on-target profits by sticking to what I show you by the end of a month I will return the down-payment you made on the purchase price of the software which you still hold.

    However, if I prove to you that you can make on-target profits by the end of a month and show you how to do it yourself, you pay the outstanding balance of the purchase price for your copy of our software.

    Surely, that is a win-win for you, Myron.

    If you are right – you win.

    If I am right you win … and keep on winning!

    Hopefully, you see this is a simple and straight-forward offer to help you get the best out of what I truly believe to be an excellent product.

    Comment by Steven — 5th June 2011 @ 8:24 pm

  687. I am so sad to find this blog, I actually landed on this blog as I was researching another biz opp for my nephew. I was a member of this system around 13 month ish ago. I thought I was the only one who was having problems getting the same results which equinex did. When I asked Equinex about the problems Steven told me that nobody else had a problem. Luckily for me I am quite am not short of a few pounds but I now feel like a mug after reading this blog,we live and learn I suppose. I would advise anyone looking into this to stay well away. Unless I really am the only one who had problems but it does not look like that is the case.

    Comment by Harry — 5th June 2011 @ 10:22 pm

  688. Mr Steven have you forgotten about me ? I am waiting with interest the outcome of this. In the meantime I went on the blog which someone linked to below. On there it says that I should ask the following questions. I have copied and pasted them. It would be very good if you could find the time to answer them.

    1 Do they offer a free trial, and allow you to operate the system during this free trial ?
    2 Do they make the selections they claim as winners before or after the race ?
    3 Can they let you see their selections before the race ?
    4 Do they actually use the system themselves ?

    Thanks

    Jay

    Comment by Jay — 6th June 2011 @ 5:22 pm

  689. Hi Jay,

    The blog-link you clicked on is a freebie blogspot page set up by the same person that provided the link so don’t know how much weight you would attach to that. You might have noticed it was also referred to earlier by what I can only assume was the same guy using a different name.

    In answer to your questions:

    1)

    Yes – we offer a free trial.

    It takes part in two phases:

    a) We email a copy of the ratings produced by our VSR software to you daily before
    racing starts for a week before you come to see it working live at our offices.

    The VSR ratings show our top 3 rated horses for each UK race and when you
    check the results after racing you will see we generally have the winners and/or
    placed horses for the majority of races.

    As the VSR ratings lay at the heart of our selection methods it is important you
    can see they are surprisingly accurate and offer us an excellent platform from
    which to work.

    b) While you are at our offices you will have the opportunity to examine our
    archives before we teach you how to use our live-odds trading software.

    You will then be shown how to make selections from our ratings and be able to
    use our live-odds software to place bets on qualifying selections and watch the
    profits as they come in.

    2) You’ll be seeing the winners as they happen and you would have
    selected them yourself (having been already shown by us how its
    done).

    3) You will know what the selections are before the race as you will
    have bet our money on them yourself.

    4) Yes. We do use the system. You will personally see me using it
    right before you do.

    Jay .. If you are interested in buying a copy of our VSR software if satisfied, feel free to call and set up a date to come and see us.

    Comment by Steven — 6th June 2011 @ 6:07 pm

  690. Thank You Steven for your reply. It seems complicated. Do you then do the same as the trial I had with a tipping service a few weeks ago. They Emailed me the selections each day at about 11.30am. Is that what you do ? Let me have the selections for a week or two so I can see your results ? I will be honest archive results mean nothing to me. I am only bothered about the future results. Just to clarify for me :

    I know you said you will some ratings but will you send me the selections during the trial ?

    Thanks

    Jay

    Comment by Jay — 6th June 2011 @ 8:14 pm

  691. Jay,

    If you are looking for a tipping service this is not for you. We manufacture software that produces a first-class analysis. There are several ways for you to make money from it, a couple of which we will happily show you at our offices.

    As for your tipster sending you ‘picks’ at 11:30am, we would not invest in a horse without proper indication that it is in good condition just prior to a race. You can’t do that at 11:30am for a race starting several hours later! e.g. If your tipsters horse is sweating up before the race your tipsters recommendation would still stand and probably cost you money.

    Perhaps this is one of the reasons why the vast majority of tipsters don’t show on-going profits. But I’m guessing you are aware of that otherwise you wouldn’t still be looking for something that works!

    If you are genuinely interested, Jay call our offices (contact number can be found by clicking on my name below) and fix a date to come and see me. You will need to know how our software works anyway.

    While you are here we will show you how selections are made from the VSR ratings and set up a one week trial for you where you will be emailed the VSR ratings daily for a week before racing starts. This is subject to your agreement to buy and pay the full purchase price at the end of the week providing our mutually agreed profit target has been accomplished.

    As you will have made the selections yourself from our ratings you will know there is nothing ‘ambiguous’, they are absolutely genuine and it is something you can do easily yourself from home on an on-going basis.

    I am sure if you are a serious enquirer, Jay .. this will be an ideal arrangement for you. You are only committed to buy after seeing it is everything we say it is. You can even paper-trade the selections instead of using your own money if you wish.

    I look forward to hearing from you

    Comment by Steven — 7th June 2011 @ 10:03 am

  692. I see your point Jay. This is the thing that bothers me before I go any further with this. In an earlier post Steven said that after you go to the offices and learn how to use the ratings which had been sent the previous week, you could then pay a refundable deposit of 30% to use the ratings properly for a week. Providing that the profits generated during that week were at least average to the archive results then the balance is payable at the end of the week. If not then the deposit is fully refundable. Sounds confident Jay but I’m a bit worried about people on here saying that when they start using the system themselves it doesn’t work and then they can’t get a refund.
    I also agree with you that archive results don’t mean much unless they are checked by someone like the Racing Post. Who actually checks the results? is they’re a regultatory body or something that monitors these kind of companies? I have to say I’ve been stung before by something that seemed really good and there’s a lot of bad feed back on here.

    Comment by Don Kiddick — 7th June 2011 @ 10:21 am

  693. Thank you Steven, and thank you for your input Don.

    I see, I make the selections myself using some ratings and software. In the free trial you mention, I understand that I will get to use the system myself for a week and make selections to see if it works ? I don’t understand why you want me to pay 30% if it is a free trial. Maybe I am missing something.

    Comment by Jay — 7th June 2011 @ 12:12 pm

  694. Hi Jay,

    The reason for the refundable deposit is to deter time wasters or someone just looking to use our systems to make money for free.

    I am sure neither you nor Don fall into that category but I am equally sure you understand that once you leave our offices you will have the ability to use our ratings (albeit for a limited period until you buy) to make money.

    If you are genuinely interested in buying our VSR software if we prove you can make money with it, I don’t think it is unreasonable that once we have proven that you can use it YOURSELF and make on-target profits with it … you pay for it.

    Surely, that’s not being unreasonable …. is it?

    Don, regarding your comment about selections ‘proofed’ to the Racing Post … you might like to call them and ask about any tipsters profitability, validity of selections etc. I have several times and been told they do not give out that information. So, basically anyone can proof to the Racing Post in the knowledge that no member of the public will find out if they are in profits this month/year or not.

    So, with this in mind … we chose to proof the performance of our place system daily to the very people who use it daily themselves … our members.

    To that end, all screenshots of our activity taken just before the start of every qualifying race are posted in our Members Area. As I’m sure you can imagine … if it didn’t work our members would be queuing at the door or you’d have hundreds of comments from them on here.

    As it stands .. people that are happy generally do not go looking for a blog or third party opinions. Only the unhappy or potentially interested do. After the 12 years we have been at our offices I only see a complaint from 3 or 4 people that actually own our software ..

    I think we must have done something right – don’t you?

    Comment by Steven — 7th June 2011 @ 4:36 pm

  695. Thank you for your quick reply Steven. I’m confused now, it doesn’t take much I must admit. Let me get this right, I DON’T actually get a free trial for a week ? I have to pay 30% then if it makes a profit I pay the balance ? I thought you said I could have a free trial. That would mean I would have to give you around £2000 for a trial. What if my results are not the same as yours after I have given you £2000 ? I am sorry but this is not for me. I cannot give you £2000 based on you sending me same rating for a week. I’m just not comfortable with that. Thanks for your time.

    Thanks

    Jay

    Comment by Jay — 7th June 2011 @ 5:48 pm

  696. Sorry if that was confusing, Jay. Let me clarify.

    1) It is a free trial – you are not being charged for it.

    You are merely lodging a refundable and conditional deposit thus
    demonstrating you are a serious enquirer in a position to purchase
    if your findings prove our product is everything we say it is.

    a) If the selections you make using our method show you are
    clearly in profits at the end of your week trial (which it
    will) – you pay the balance of the purchase price for our VSR
    software.

    b) If (in the extremely unlikely event) it didn’t – we return
    your deposit without delay.

    2) We show you how it works.

    3) You go home and we email ratings to you daily before racing takes
    place.

    4) You total up the profits from your selections made using the
    method we showed you (whether paper-traded or not).

    If you have stuck to the simple method we show you, your
    selections will be exactly the same as ours.

    Although it would be impossible for us to make different
    selections unless one of us had made a mistake (which we would
    be obvious to both of us on closer examination) we would be
    willing to have such an event adjudicated by either an existing
    client who uses the same system daily themselves or if you prefer,
    a legally bound confidant such as a solicitor.

    5) If the total hits or surpasses our agreed profit figure – you pay
    the balance and we send you your software via Recorded Delivery.

    There you go, Jay.

    In a nutshell, when you see it works, in your hands .. and makes the money we say it does .. you buy it! If it doesn’t you don’t and it costs you nothing!

    Exactly what you wanted! An easy way of providing you with risk-free ultimate proof of what a fantastic software system we have … and assuring us at the same time you are a genuine enquirer in a position to purchase!

    Comment by Steven — 8th June 2011 @ 9:09 am

  697. Jay, if I’d have been offered that arrangement at my trial I certainly wouldn’t have bought into this thing. I was sent the ratings for a week then went for a demonstration with Barry (the then sales manager). He showed me how to use it and we totted up the profits. It was fantastic! About £1400 in a week! Barry confidently told me they had similar profits dating back years. The £60,000 advertised looked promising. So with the prospect of easy money I handed over my £5k – never to be seen again.
    I couldn’t understand why, as soon as I started using the thing, despite phoning up the office each day for a month to confirm that my selections were right, I lost money week after week. How could that be? At the trial I’d seen the money rolling in with my own eyes. It couldn’t have been a fluke, surely? Barry said that it must be the form still adjusting after the change in the racing season, never happened like this before, would settle down soon. But it NEVER did!
    Sometime later I took a closer look at the ratings used at my trial. On closer examination I found that a significant number of winning bets were actually outside the guidelines. Barry had sold me the idea that even though certain selections were outside the guidelines, because they looked so strong, they were “probably worth a go” but “you have to be careful” – whatever that meant. There were winning bets in Maiden races with no form, Apprentice Jockeys, even a NH Flat race. When I calculated the P/L for that week sticking to the guidelines rigidly it did actually show a profit of about £200. That wouldn’t have been enough to persuade me to part with my 5 grand – borderline profit is too close to borderline loss.
    Excuses for the poor performance carried on until I lost so much money that I just couldn’t continue. My story is well documented earlier on this blog.
    Jay / Don, Steve won’t let you have a real free trial because if he does convince you that this works, you could buy it off contributors to this blog for a fraction of the price, but I suppose I can’t blame him for that. But I would advise EXTREME caution. Check, double check, triple check anything this guy offers you – I believe him to be a VERY slippery character so you have been warned (I just wish I had been).
    P.S. Still waiting for the summons Steve.

    Comment by David — 8th June 2011 @ 12:57 pm

  698. David, you are very wrong!

    It was possible before for someone to make mistakes as ther were so many elements to the operating guidelines. Not so anymore!

    With the benefit or more data we have simplified this to the nth degree.

    You might like to re-read what I said about the free trial being offered…

    We show how to use the ratings and trading software – then email the VSR ratings daily to Jay at home for a week before racing starts. He makes the selections himself and counts the profits.

    Once he has been to our offices and seen the publicly available statistics that back it up and how it works, he would understand why it works the way it does.

    If you are interested, David call me and I’ll gladly arrange a date for you to come to the office and I’ll be happy to show you too and I am sure you will see why you would also be able to do this with such confidence.

    Comment by Steven — 8th June 2011 @ 4:02 pm

  699. Thank You Steven, But I fail to see how that is a free trial. To see this actually in action I have to pay around £2000. I understand from what you have wrote here is: The only time I would get to use it myself and actually trial it, I would have to pay you £2000. I am sorry but I am not prepared to pay £2000 to test something out. Another point would be who’s profit would it be that we would measure success from ? It would have to be mine as: (correct me if I am wrong as i read it here somewhere) You don’t actually use it and place bets etc. If you do, I have an idea. You could message me the selections as you make them, then if you show a profit over a week or so I will participate in the paid trial which you are offering. I am sure you understand why I cannot pay you £2000 without any evidence it works before I pay you. What concerns me is something David wrote. He said that he actually rang your office to make sure he had the selections right. In your reply you said it was easy for people to make mistakes, but surely your office would not make the same mistake as a member. Thanks again for your offer but like I said in my last post I simply cannot pay £2000 to try something out.

    Thanks

    Jay

    Comment by Jay — 8th June 2011 @ 8:14 pm

  700. OK, Jay.

    As I said, the deposit was refundable. You only would have spent money on buying our software if your free trial showed it was as good or better at making profits than we predicted before the trial started.

    I would assume that when you found that was the case .. (bearing in mind it would have been you making the selections which you could have paper-traded if you had wished) … that you would absolutely want to buy it and be happy to pay the balance.

    The purpose of the deposit is, as I stated in #693, to deter time wasters or someone just looking to use our systems to make money for free.

    Thanks for your interest.

    Comment by Steven — 8th June 2011 @ 9:00 pm

  701. I can’t believe what I am reading.
    Someone has to pay £2000 now for a free trial? LOL
    So lets just say its a good week or Equinex distort how the ‘free’ trial might go, the customer then has to go ahead and pay the rest or forfeit the deposit?
    People should be aware that good weeks on this are quite possible but is a good year possible when so many people experience ambiguity?
    This becomes more and more dubious by the month, this so-called free trial puts the tin hat on any idea that I would give this a go, others beware!

    Comment by Adam — 9th June 2011 @ 1:07 am

  702. ADAM. Soo glad you’re back!

    What about that bet I offered you back in #646 then?

    I’m guessing you’re back to take me up on it (not a bookie or competitor – are you?)

    As you have n e v e r bought our software o r been to our offices I thought you would love to come and l e a r n h o w t o u s e i t p r o p e r l y .

    I will show you, at our offices, exactly how to use our ratings and make money with our software in a clear-cut and totally unambiguous way where I can guarantee you will make exactly the same selections as me.

    I’m even happy to have the challenge period adjudicated by an independent legal third party confidant such as a solicitor or chartered accountant. You can appoint and pay for them if you wish. If not – I’m happy to!

    At the end of the agreed period of a week (or a month, as it makes absolutely no difference) you agree to pay up if it makes the profits I predict before the trial-period starts or I pay you.

    What have you got to lose?

    Just in case you can’t think back that far, I have r e p e a t e d the original offer below to help you.

    646

    OK Davo/Adam,

    For someone that says he has never used the system or even has the money to buy it you seem to be very interested in trying to put it down.

    I have offered you both a £6,000 CHALLENGE whereby you get opportunity to use the VSR ratings with a clear-cut selection method laid out in a legally binding contract and monitored by a member of the legal profession.

    If what you say is right – I pay you. If what I say is right and the system produces the profits I say it will – you pay us!

    You can even paper-trade and keep the profit record that way if you don’t want to use real money.

    What have you got to lose, guys?

    Take up my CHALLENGE and you’ll end up with a fantastic money-making system and know how to use it properly OR, if you’re right you’ll be £6k better off.

    Think of it this way ..

    If you’re right – you win!
    But if I’m right (and you know I am) you win – and keep on winning!

    Comment by Steven — 9th June 2011 @ 5:02 pm

  703. Steven,
    I might actually show more interest in your offers if we got past the first stage where you might answer some questions!
    If you don’t answer questions you only have yourself to blame when people are suspicious.
    Your no response to my suggestion that the £2000 deposit is forfeited if the trial were to go well but the person still felt it wasn’t for them, speaks volumns too.

    Comment by Adam — 9th June 2011 @ 10:13 pm

  704. Don’t be daft, AdamDavoMyron (ADM). Do you honestly think that after nearly 13 years of using VSR I would publicly challenge you to a £6,000 bet under the conditions I offered (which ostensibly gave you complete control albeit adjudicated by a solicitor or chartered accountant so you couldn’t twist the facts) unless I KNEW beyond any reasonable doubt that it would hit the profit target (even in your hands) and I would win? Of course not!

    A D M, if you’re not lying or trying to mislead people you will have no hesitation in publicly accepting my challenge and call our offices today and make yourself known along with contact details!

    The only suspicious thing here is if you don’t!

    After all, you have nothing to lose!

    I would like to add one condition: At the end of the trial, when the predicted profit figure has been hit .. you come on here just as regularly as you have been and tell everyone how wrong you were and how good VSR is. OK?

    Comment by Steven — 10th June 2011 @ 12:17 pm

  705. I think it is reasonable to say that long before getting to the stage of committing to purchase when the profits we predict have hit the target .. any sensible person would have a pretty clear idea of whether it was what they wanted to do or not.

    Before getting to that stage they would have had a verbal explanation about VSR, what it is and does, a brochure giving an overview, read our website etc. They would know VSR is horse rating software that can be used for betting or trading on horses (primarily), the use of a PC and sitting in front of it for roughly 3 hours a day Monday to Friday.

    Anyone can have the option to either

    a) have VSR ratings sent to them a week before coming to see us and before racing takes place, then come to our offices and have a good ‘tour’ of the software without obligation. Then go away and ‘chew’ it over.

    OR

    b) IF someone wants us to send them ratings AFTER they have been to our offices and continue having a free trial at home, we will provide them with the method of doing so. But as this effectively gives them the power to use our system to make money it is conditional that when it hits the predicted profit over that period, they buy without delay. Hence, our request for a deposit in this case.

    That is certainly not unreasonable.

    Most people who want to look closer at a PC/home based occupation with short working hours do not have a problem with VSR and are quite happy making their money using it.

    Comment by Steven — 10th June 2011 @ 12:21 pm

  706. I have just read through this blog and I am livid. I bought this system last year. I tried and I tried to match the results on the Equinex website. The selection criteria, on the face of it is very simple. The problem is understanding why Equinex made one selection and not another when the graphs basically looked the same. It is impossible to get the same results as Equinex as they fix the result the next day depending on the results. Many people have mentioned the word ambiguity, the reason for this is: Some selections are obviously selections and some are obviously not. This is great and the whole system should be like this, but it is not. If you just did the obvious selections you would never reach a profit. Equinex make their profit up on the selections they fudge due to the nature of the graphs. These should NOT be selections but they report them as selections if they win and not if they lose.

    The system is totally unclear, no amount of training will allow you to make the selections they do because Equinex back fit them.

    Every time I asked Steven about matching their selections, he told me that nobody else had a problem, so I just thought it was me at first, until I realized what was happening, then in December 2010 I decided enough was enough and gave up with it. I could not make it work and the reason is obvious.

    My advise to anyone looking into this is don’t waste your money. Steven is a very good salesman, I fell for the promise of easy riches, there really is no such thing. Think of it this way.

    Is it easier to sell a £5000 software program ? You need to advertise, you need to have staff for support etc. You need to sell it. A lot of work is needed to sell a £5000 software program.

    Or is it easier to place £1000 on horses following a proven system to make the same amount as the profit on the £5000 software system.

    It is obviously easier to follow a proven system. Steven claims to have one, but he chooses to sell a £5000 software system instead.

    That should tell you all you need to know. Don’t be another victim like I was. If you choose to buy into this, you deserve everything you get because you have been warned.

    Big I

    Comment by Ian — 10th June 2011 @ 2:11 pm

  707. Let me get this correct Steven (I won’t hold my breath for an answer)
    A person has to pay £2000 to try your system, if it were a good week (not a good month or year) they are locked in to pay the rest or they forfeit their deposit?
    Pure madness!

    Comment by Adam — 10th June 2011 @ 2:45 pm

  708. That’s what I understood Adam, I think my understanding was right. It all looks very good but I just could not do that. Equinex has had a really bad review on here, but all publicity is good publicity. I must say as an old marketing guy Steven is using this blog very well. The reason I decided against the paid trial was I may not actually enjoy what I was doing but I would be trapped. Also I don’t know who would have determined the profit levels. Would it be mine or Equinex’s published results. It was too big of a risk as they could put any results down the next day and I could not verify them. Most people are not as cynical as me though. Thank you again for answering my questions Steven

    Thanks

    Jay

    Comment by Jay — 10th June 2011 @ 4:00 pm

  709. Jay/ADM.(AdamDavoMyron)

    Despite what you would like to think Equinex has had more good reviews from people who actually use the software and have been to our offices to learn how to use it properly.

    It stands to reason, the only people who don’t own it but still want to give it a bad review are bookies, a competitor or to paraphrase Lord Sugar “a sad, pathetic loser who only tries to destroy something to make them feel better about themselves”.

    Jay, your stated reason for deciding against the trial was was” I may not actually enjoy what I was doing but I would be trapped. Also I don’t know who would have determined the profit levels” but I already said in #705:

    “long before getting to the stage of committing to purchase when the profits we predict have hit the target .. any sensible person would have a pretty clear idea of whether it was what they wanted to do or not.
    Before getting to that stage they would have had a verbal explanation about VSR, what it is and does, a brochure giving an overview, read our website etc. They would know VSR is horse rating software that can be used for betting or trading on horses (primarily), the use of a PC and sitting in front of it for roughly 3 hours a day Monday to Friday”

    About the second part of your statement I also said in #702:

    “I will show you, at our offices, exactly how to use our ratings and make money with our software in a clear-cut and totally unambiguous way where I can guarantee you will make exactly the same selections as me.
    I’m even happy to have it adjudicated by an independent legal third party confidant such as a solicitor or chartered accountant”.
    So Jay, you keep saying you’re not interested and yet you keep appearing on here making negative comments! Why is that I wonder?
    Given everything you’ve been offered .. let’s have a re-cap and see if anyone else reading this thinks you might be GENUINE

    a) Up front knowledge about what is involved and what you would have to do
    b) An overview of what our product does
    c) Roughly what your work would consist of when using it
    d) The opportunity to have a free ratings trial yourself and a chance to try out our trading software and see it working and making money in real-time
    e) The option to have an after-demonstration trial if you wished where you would be emailed our ratings daily before racing took place and make the selections according to the printed guide you would be given.
    The paper-traded (or real money) profits from those selections would be compared to the profit prediction made by me.
    If YOUR SELECTIONS using our method made the predicted profit figure or were higher – you buy the software .. (which before you decided to take this trial, you would have had plenty of time to decide if you liked the idea of using it!)

    So, what’s the problem with that .. unless of course, you are not a genuine at all !!

    Comment by Steven — 10th June 2011 @ 4:47 pm

  710. I am very sorry if I upset you Steven. I didn’t think my comments were negative. I was simply detailing my thoughts. Actually I thought I was paying you a compliment in how you are using this blog. As an old marketing guy I see you know how to market.

    My problem, as I explained to you earlier, with your trial is that to actually use the system myself to actually trial it I would have to pay you £2000.

    You said you can send me ratings for 1 week but I couldn’t tell anything off those as time form also have good rating which have a good percentage winners in the top 3. In fact the top 3 horses in any betting will have a good percentage of winners. So I honestly wouldn’t be able to make a judgment on that whether or not to give you £2000. Also one day using it in your office, there is only around 4 hours racing per day, so I couldn’t give you £2000 based just that either. Its just too much for me to risk. To give you £2000 after using it for 1 day. I would need an evaluation period of at least 1 week and even after that I may not like the procedure, but if I took up your offer I would have to pay you a further £3000 or lose £2000. I’m just not comfortable with that. I am sorry if you think that is harsh but that is the reality of how I feel. Thank you for your time, I am sorry I cannot go any further with this. To address your concern I was very interested in this that is how I found this blog. I Google everything and everyone these days.

    Thanks

    Jay

    Comment by Jay — 10th June 2011 @ 5:41 pm

  711. Thank you, Jay. You didn’t upset me. Just stating facts.

    Our ratings are totally different to Timeform and the top 3 are generally not the first 3 in the betting.

    From what you say it appears you would like to take our system away for a while, make money with it and then if you decide you are happy making money that way you will pay us for it (quite probably with the money you made from it).

    Thanks for your enquiry but as you can tell, we cannot proceed based on your requirement either so good luck in your hunt for whatever it is you are looking for.

    Comment by Steven — 10th June 2011 @ 8:12 pm

  712. No problem Steven, thanks for the good wishes. No I don’t want to use your system to raise the money to pay for it. I would be happy to receive the selections as they happen from you without actually using your system. I wouldn’t put any money on anything until I was comfortable it worked. I would just need more proof that it worked than one day in your office. There are too many ifs and buts for me regarding who’s profit the paid trial result would be based off etc. I have the money to invest, that is not the problem, the problem is I’m simply not comfortable with the procedure you lay out. Anyway I have taken enough of your time, I shall continue my search elsewhere. Thank you for taking the time to reply to me.

    Thanks

    Jay

    Comment by Jay — 10th June 2011 @ 9:36 pm

  713. I have just seen the comment by “Ian” in 706.

    “Ian” IF you are genuine .. and please forgive that because there are so many bogus entries on this site … I would welcome you to call our offices, explain who you are, arrange an appointment to come and see me.

    I will run through it with you and guarantee you will leave our offices able to make steady profits and easily make exactly the same selections I do – without any doubt!

    Comment by Steven — 11th June 2011 @ 11:37 am

  714. Its quite simple, folks.

    It works, makes excellent profits and we can prove it to any serious enquirer.

    1)We email out a copy of VSR ratings for a week before racing starts
    and before the live demonstration at our offices.

    2)At the live demonstration we teach how to read the ratings and how
    to use our software systems (which takes around an hour to learn
    enough to be able to enter data and fire bets or trades into the
    exchange markets.

    3) By that stage you will know exactly what kind of ‘work’ is
    involved and what the daily process is in order to get ready to
    make money using the system.

    Now you have a choice!

    a) You can buy it to use yourself.

    b) You can go away and think it over before deciding if it is for you.

    c) You can ask for the ‘extended trial’ This is where you are given
    our VSR ratings and the ability to make money by using them for a
    week after leaving our offices.

    Using our selection method and trading software for another week
    requires us to set up an online account for you that is API
    enabled by us so you can use our trading software at home).

    If you choose option ‘c’, we require a 30% deposit and ask you to
    commit to buy if it makes the profits we predicted (or higher)
    before the start the trial (to agreed stakes). If not we would
    obviously refund it in full immediately.

    The profit made over the period will be based on YOUR figures –
    not ours but will need to conform to the very simple and totally
    unambiguous method we will give you. You do not have to use your
    own money at this stage if you do not want to. It is very simple
    to ‘paper-trade’ and keep a record of your selections and profits.

    Before taking option ‘c’ we believe anyone would have seen enough to know whether they would like to do this for a second or full-time income or not.

    At the end of the extended trial you will know it is absolutely genuine as you would have done the whole thing yourself from the comfort of your own home.

    Comment by Steven — 11th June 2011 @ 12:15 pm

  715. I have just read Ian’s post too.
    Surprise, surprise, another customer reporting ambiguity in using the graghs. And another customer saying he was told by Steven he was alone in experiencing this.
    Ian’s report is totally consistent with my experience of using these graghs and his conclusion that some graghs are quite obviously selections and some are vague is entirely accurate. Equinex, I suspect, ‘beef up’ their published profits on the graghs no-one has a clue what to do on. If tossing a dice on these graghs isn’t gambling would someone tell me what is?
    How many people have put posts on saying this system is ambigious? Steven’s response that it is all the same person is laughable if it weren’t so serious that he isn’t responding to discontented customers by offering refunds.
    This is my last post here because its quite obvious that this is not a serious opportunity and I am wasting my time. I had initially hoped that Steven might answer my questions, leading on to a next stage visit, but I can see this for the scam it is now and have no more interest.
    I sympathise with the people who have lost £5000 plus their bets, and thank Ben the moderator of this blog for allowing others like myself to be warned of others experiences.
    I know from e-mail contacts with some of the guys on here that action is being taken through trading standards. I hope it is successful

    Comment by Adam — 11th June 2011 @ 12:28 pm

  716. ADM,

    Are you sure you’re not also Ian?

    I have answered all of your questions despite what you would have people believe.

    I asked “Ian” .. IF he is a real person .. to come and see me and I can resolve his problem and guaranteed I would show him how to use it properly and that he would be able to operate profitably after leaving the office.

    I also gave you a very clear-cut £6,000 challenge which you have simply ignored. Quite clearly you are not who you pretend to be otherwise you had absolutely nothing to lose by taking up my challenge unless of course … you already know it works and makes the money we say it does .. and you knew you would lose!

    Comment by Steven — 11th June 2011 @ 1:07 pm

  717. As I said before …

    It works, it has the power to make excellent profits and WE CAN PROVE IT.

    If any mud-slinging hobby-blogger would like to prove that is not the case, take up my £6,000 Challenge as stated several times on this anonymous blog site .. and the loser has to write the outcome on this blog!

    Any takers? I really hope so!

    ADM, I KEEP OFFERING YOU THIS CHALLENGE to you but you never take it up.(What name are you going to give yourself on here next, I wonder!)

    WHY?

    I ALSO OFFERED to have it adjudicated BY A SOLICITOR OR CHARTERED ACCOUNTANT who would independently of both of us make the same selections to validate the final profits at the end of the period – BUT YOU STILL DON’T take me up on it.

    WHY?

    ADM, If what you have been saying is true – you’d win £6,000

    Of course … if you are nothing more than a sad, mud-slinging liar with nothing better to do .. I am sure you will find some lame excuse not to take me up my Challenge.

    If you need our phone number to take up my Challenge, just click on the link (my name .. probably one of the very few REAL names on this blog) below.

    Comment by Steven — 11th June 2011 @ 1:34 pm

  718. For anyone to find out how VSR works themselves …

    1)We email out a copy of VSR ratings for a week before racing starts
    and before you attend a live demonstration at our offices.

    2)At the live demonstration we teach you how to read the ratings and
    how to use our software systems (which takes around an hour to learn
    enough to be able to enter data and fire bets or trades into the
    exchange markets.

    3)By that stage you will know exactly what kind of ‘work’ is
    involved and what the daily process is in order to get ready to
    make money using the system.

    NOW you have a choice!

    a) You can buy it to use yourself.

    b) You can go away and think it over before deciding if it is for you.

    c) You can ask for the ‘extended trial’ This is where you are given
    our VSR ratings and the ability to make money by using them for a
    week after leaving our offices.

    Using our selection method and trading software for another week
    requires us to set up an online account for you that is API
    enabled by us so you can use our trading software at home).

    If you choose option ‘c’, we require a 30% deposit and ask you to
    commit to buy if it makes the profits we predicted (or higher)
    before the start the trial (to agreed stakes). If not we would
    obviously refund it in full immediately.

    The profit made over the period will be based on YOUR figures –
    NOT OURS but will need to conform to the very simple and totally
    unambiguous method we will give you.

    You do not have to use your own money at this stage if you do not want to. It is very simple to ‘paper-trade’ and keep a record of your selections and profits.

    Before taking option ‘c’ we believe anyone would have seen enough to know whether they would like to do this for a second or full-time income or not.

    At the end of the extended trial you will know it is absolutely genuine as you would have done the whole thing YOURSELF from the comfort of your own home.

    Comment by Steven — 11th June 2011 @ 1:42 pm

  719. I have NO intention of calling your office. I had enough of that last year. You know and I know what you do with the graphs. Unless you have a different system than you did upto Dec 2010.

    It works you say ? Only because you back fit everything. You keep saying it is easy money yet I found out you don’t even use it to make the easy money. You go down the hard route of selling software for 5K. And before you try your BS on me, I have no intention of doing any challenge. Number one I don’t have the money anymore as I lost too much. Number 2 unless you do it in Scotland. 3 Who on earth is going to pay the Solicitors for 1 week 3-4 hour a day at around £130 per hour ? You ? You know people who have been involved with this have no money and it would be too costly to go to London for a week.

    There is only one liar here and it is you.

    Were are all your testimonials from people using this system who are happy ? You have NON not even any on your website. Even if you had some I wouldn’t believe it because you lie all over your sales blurb.

    I outlined my experience with your system on this blog as I bought I used I failed. Say what you like we both know the truth. I am glad people are reporting your practices to the relevant bodies, maybe you will stop to think about the harm you cause. You destroy lives with you BS.

    As far as I am aware this blog is for people to air their experiences about biz opps. I have aired mine. I wonder how many other biz opp owners are on here like you are. This is not an Equinex promotion.

    Say what you like, BS here BS there, I really don’t care, I also have no intention of getting into a debate with you. You took my £5000 that’s all there is to it.

    There you go that is my experience with Equinex, if people read this believe me or not I don’t care, but I have no need to justify myself nor do I have any intention of getting into a slanging match or debate or indeed waste anymore time on here. People can read my experience, they can read your BS and make their own minds up, but they have been warned and a few weeks after they buy they will know the truth. I really hope trading standards or who ever stop you, and save people from the stress and heart ache I suffered last year.

    Comment by Ian — 11th June 2011 @ 2:10 pm

  720. Steven
    I see that you have made all these challenges to get people to come in and put down 30% how come you have never taken up my challenge to up your bets for week and then buy my software back (at a reduced rate). You cant lose on this one, you also get the chance to prove all the doubters wrong. You have ignored this before why?

    Comment by andy b — 11th June 2011 @ 4:57 pm

  721. Because I do not wish to buy it back or bet for your benefit. Also, I do not understand why you don’t come and learn to use it properly yourself. I can guarantee I can show you how to use it profitably.

    Comment by Steven — 11th June 2011 @ 9:27 pm

  722. My other post seems to have not gone live, maybe I timed out or something.

    I have NO intention of calling your office I had enough of that last year. It was like banging my head against a brick wall. We both know the truth about your so called system.

    I have no intention of arguing with you on here, I will leave you to spread your BS and issue stupid in practical challenges. For one who would pay the Solicitors £130 per hour fee for the week ? Also if the people you are issuing this challenge to are like me and used your system, they will have no money to stay in London for a week, and you know that.

    Andy, he cannot up his bets because even though he claims it works etc. HE DOES NOT EVEN USE IT HIMSELF. That is all proposed victims of this guy should know.

    It is so easy to use and make a profit, but he does not use it, he chooses to make his money by selling the system. Surely it would be easier just to use it, Right ?

    Steven it makes me sick to think what you did to me and you are continuing with this scam.I wish I had not stumbled across this blog,it has brought back that sickening feeling of stress this caused me. For my own sanity I won’t be back on here, I have told of my experience, hopefully people will be VERY careful when looking into this and my experience will help. I see there are some people on here that have been posting for years about their experiences with you. I know how they feel, but I refuse to get draw into a debate or mud slinging. Feel free to post your typical BS because I won’t be reading it.Although I feel anger about my experience with your company,I refuse to make it a crusade as some on here have.

    Adam I will report my experiences with Equinex to trading standards and consumer direct as you mentioned other have. I am not sure how relavant it will be due to the time which has lapsed.

    Big I

    Comment by Ian — 11th June 2011 @ 9:48 pm

  723. I can only assume Big I stands for Imposter. How many aliases have you used on here so far? AdamDavoMyron .. ADM?

    Yes. We both know the truth about VSR. It works and we can prove it .. Obviously, you know that. Otherwise you would not have made excuses not to come and been genuinely interested in seeing it work for you!

    As for the £130 an hour for the adjudicating solicitor or chartered accountant I would be happy to pay the cost if I was proved wrong.

    Incredibly, YOU STILL DO NOT READ THE GUIDELINES PROPERLY (Gee, wonder what impact that had on the way you use any system guidelines?). I said on more than one occasion you could CONDUCT YOUR TRIAL AT HOME! You do not need to stay in London for a week .. oh boy!

    Please, make your report to whichever official body you like so they can investigate this themselves. We would welcome it!

    Hopefully, they will allow us to include a copy of their findings in our brochure.

    Comment by Steven — 13th June 2011 @ 9:39 am

  724. How do you find out how VSR works?

    Once you have contacted us:

    1)We email out a copy of VSR ratings to you for a week before racing starts
    and before you attend a live demonstration at our offices.

    2)At the live demonstration we teach you how to read the ratings and
    how to use our software systems (which takes around an hour to learn
    enough to be able to enter data and fire bets or trades into the
    exchange markets.

    3)By that stage you will know exactly what kind of ‘work’ is
    involved and what the daily process is in order to get ready to
    make money using the system.

    NOW you have a choice!

    a) You can buy it to use yourself.

    b) You can go away and think it over before deciding if it is for you.

    c) You can ask for the ‘extended trial’ This is where you are given
    our VSR ratings and the ability to make money by using them for a
    week after leaving our offices.

    Using our selection method and trading software for another week
    requires us to set up an online account for you that is API
    enabled by us so you can use our trading software at home).

    If you choose option ‘c’, we require a 30% deposit and ask you to
    commit to buy if it makes the profits we predicted (or higher)
    before the start the trial (to agreed stakes). If not we would
    obviously refund it in full immediately.

    The profit made over the period will be based on YOUR figures –
    NOT OURS but will need to conform to the very simple and totally
    unambiguous method we will give you.

    You do not have to use your own money at this stage if you do not want to. It is very simple to ‘paper-trade’ and keep a record of your selections and profits.

    Before taking option ‘c’ we believe anyone would have seen enough to know whether they would like to do this for a second or full-time income or not.

    At the end of the extended trial you will know it is absolutely genuine as you would have done the whole thing YOURSELF from the comfort of your own home.

    Comment by Steven — 13th June 2011 @ 9:45 am

  725. I followed your guidlines to the letter, and you know it. I called your office almost everyday. Yet you chose to make selections that did not match your guidlines. Like I said before I have no intention of getting into a slanging match. Amazingly enough Big I stands for big Ian. I have NO intention of calling your office or taking up the in practical challenge which you issued to Myron and others.

    You lie in your promotional material. You don’t use this system. You have NO testimonials from users. No even on your website. I am sure a few bogus ones will appear soon. I suggest anyone looking into this ask to see any testimonials on file and speak to the person who wrote them. I wish I had taken my own advise.

    Please guys. DON NOT TRUST THIS GUY.

    This is what will happen if you buy this system.

    You take it home, you start to use it.
    You find you cannot match equinex’s selections.
    You wonder why one is a selection and another isn’t despite both the selections looking the same.
    You ask Steven to clarify, he give you some BS about the reason why. They constantly break their own select procedure.
    You lose money, they show a profit ( from the selections they backfit the next day)
    You ring Steven, he tells you he has another system, he lies and says the result have been good. When you start to lose it. You lose money.

    Ok guys, there you have it, that WILL be you experience with Equinex and you didn’t even need to spend £5k to get it, not to mention endure the stress of the loses.

    If you are silly enough to invest in this when Equinex don’t even use it themselves, more fool you………My advise is stay away from this, unless you want to have the above experience.

    Comment by Ian — 13th June 2011 @ 11:55 am

  726. Ian,

    If yuou had followed our guidelines to the letter and were having difficulty making it work for you, you would have written, emailed or called and complained or asked for help

    We have nothing from any BIG Ian.

    And don’t worry about testimonilas or reports from GENUINE users of our software – there have already been some but they are normally shouted down as beiong fakes – just the way you are!

    BIG IAN,

    IF YOU ARE REAL call, fix a date and come and see me. I will sit with you and show you how to use our software and GUARANTEE you will leave here a) having seen it used to make profits and b) know how to use it properly yourself.

    Of course, IF YOU ARE NOT REAL i.e. the same guy that uses the A D M alias’s you will find some excuse not to take me up on my offer.

    Just in case you need any more encouragement, if I can’t make profits from use of our nsoftware while you are here or show you how to use our software profitably I will pay for your trip here plus the cost of your software!

    However, when I do make the profits I predict with it you agree to come on here and publicly apologise and provide a true testimonial to how effective it really is.

    Now, IF you are gunuine – I should be seeing youy very shortly !!!

    If you are NOT GENUINE, I guess you’ll be finding ANOTHER excuse why not!

    Comment by Steven — 13th June 2011 @ 12:50 pm

  727. NO TESTIMONIALS ON YOUR WEBSITE. They say they sell 80 per year yet not testimonials. hmmmmm.

    I HAVE TOLD YOU I HAVE NO INTENTION OF COMING TO SEE YOU. I live too far away for one. I have not been a member since Dec 2010.

    I constantly called your office, you fobbed me off with excuse after excuse. You back fit your selections and some don’t even meet your guidlines. YOU DON’T USE THIS SYSTEM YOURSELF.

    There you have it guys.

    This guy will tell you anything to sell this system, which he has so much faith in he makes his selections the next day.

    I have outlined what will happen if you buy this. Go on buy it, you will see I am right….

    That is it, my review. I realize this is now becoming an argument which I never wanted. So Steven I am not going to respond to anything you have to say. I have given my review.

    That is my review. I do believe this is a review blog. Interesting that you are on here trying to quell free speech. My experience is my experience,my opinion is my opinion. I will let others decide whether to believe it or not I do not care. All I can do is tell them what to expect based on my experience. This is bring back all my stress and anger.

    That is my experience guys, take it or leave it. This guy will take your money and lie to you. You have been warned.

    Steven post what you like, I will not read it or respond because I am not even going to read this blog again it makes me to angry I hope these posts won’t get buried and people doing their research will find them. THIS IS A SCAM

    BYE

    BIG I

    Comment by Ian — 13th June 2011 @ 1:15 pm

  728. Steven as to your 721 comment. You can not guarantee to show me how to use it properly. As i stated a long time ago on this blog you were the person whoo told me to stop using it in the december after I had bought it in the september and Barry told me to stop using it in the November as it lost both months. So you guarantee is rubbish.
    Plus you would not be betting only for my benifit ,it would benifit you more than me as I pointed oout it would stop all the doubters and then surely lead to more sales, benifiting you far more than me.!!!!!

    Comment by andy b — 13th June 2011 @ 1:38 pm

  729. Ian,

    If you had followed our guidelines to the letter and were having difficulty making it work for you, you would have written, emailed or called and complained or asked for help which you would be given!

    We have nothing from any BIG Ian.

    And don’t worry about testimonials or reports from GENUINE users of our software – there have already been some but they are normally shouted down as beiong fakes – just the way you are!

    I will happily sit with you and show you how to use our software IN REAL-TIME and GUARANTEE you will leave here a) having seen it used to make profits and b) know how to use it properly yourself.

    Of course, IF YOU ARE NOT REAL i.e. the same guy that uses the A D M alias’s YOU WILL FIND SOME EXCUSE NOT YTO TAKE ME UP ON MY OFFER!!

    Just in case you need any more encouragement, if I can’t make profits from use of our software or show you how to use our software profitably I will pay for your trip here PLUS the cost of your software!

    However, when I do make the profits I predict with it you agree to come on here and publicly apologise and provide a true testimonial to how effective it really is.

    Now, IF you are gunuine – I should be seeing youy very shortly !!!

    IF you are NOT GENUINE, I guess you’ll be finding ANOTHER lame EXCUSE why not!

    You didn’t disappoint. Anotrher lame excuse!

    If what you were saying was true – you would have no hesitation in taking me up on it.

    Comment by Steven — 13th June 2011 @ 3:06 pm

  730. Andy B – yes I can.

    The only problem you would have is that you would actually have to do the ‘work’ yourself.

    Comment by Steven — 13th June 2011 @ 3:09 pm

  731. How can you GUARANTEE VSR works?

    Quite simply .. have a good look at it yourself! Then, take option C if you wish to trial it on your own, at home without risk.

    How does that work?

    Like this … Once you have contacted us:
    1)We email out a copy of VSR ratings to you for a week before racing starts
    and before you attend a live demonstration at our offices.
    2)At the live demonstration we teach you how to read the ratings and
    how to use our software systems (which takes around an hour to learn
    enough to be able to enter data and fire bets or trades into the
    exchange markets.
    3)By that stage you will know exactly what kind of ‘work’ is
    involved and what the daily process is in order to get ready to
    make money using the system.
    NOW you have a choice!
    a) You can buy it to use yourself.
    b) You can go away and think it over before deciding if it is for you.
    c) You can ask for the ‘extended trial’ This is where you are given
    our VSR ratings and the ability to make money by using them for a
    week after leaving our offices.
    Using our selection method and trading software for another week
    requires us to set up an online account for you that is API
    enabled by us so you can use our trading software at home).
    If you choose option ‘c’, we require a 30% deposit and ask you to
    commit to buy if it makes the profits we predicted (or higher)
    before the start the trial (to agreed stakes). If not we would
    obviously refund it in full immediately.
    The profit made over the period will be based on YOUR figures –
    NOT OURS but will need to conform to the very simple and totally
    unambiguous method we will give you.
    You do not have to use your own money at this stage if you do not want to. It is very simple to ‘paper-trade’ and keep a record of your selections and profits.
    Before taking option ‘c’ we believe anyone would have seen enough to know whether they would like to do this for a second or full-time income or not.
    At the end of the extended trial you will know it is absolutely genuine as you would have done the whole thing YOURSELF from the comfort of your own home.

    Comment by Steven — 13th June 2011 @ 3:18 pm

  732. I COMPLAINED AND COMPLAINED CONSTANTLY.

    THIS GUY CANNOT GUARANTEE ANYTHING> HE DOES NOT USE HIS OWN SYSTEM.

    NO TESTIMONIALS ON YOUR WEBSITE. They say they sell 80 per year yet not testimonials. hmmmmm.

    I HAVE TOLD YOU I HAVE NO INTENTION OF COMING TO SEE YOU. I live too far away for one. I have not been a member since Dec 2010.

    I constantly called your office, you fobbed me off with excuse after excuse. You back fit your selections and some don’t even meet your guidlines. YOU DON’T USE THIS SYSTEM YOURSELF.

    There you have it guys.

    This guy will tell you anything to sell this system, which he has so much faith in he makes his selections the next day.

    I have outlined what will happen if you buy this. Go on buy it, you will see I am right….

    That is it, my review. I realize this is now becoming an argument which I never wanted. So Steven I am not going to respond to anything you have to say. I have given my review.

    That is my review. I do believe this is a review blog. Interesting that you are on here trying to quell free speech. My experience is my experience,my opinion is my opinion. I will let others decide whether to believe it or not I do not care. All I can do is tell them what to expect based on my experience. This is bring back all my stress and anger.

    That is my experience guys, take it or leave it. This guy will take your money and lie to you. You have been warned.

    Steven post what you like, I will not read it or respond because I am not even going to read this blog again it makes me to angry I hope these posts won’t get buried and people doing their research will find them. THIS IS A SCAM

    BYE

    BIG I

    Comment by Ian — 13th June 2011 @ 3:25 pm

  733. It is a while since I last put a post on here. Some of you may remember me from my request for others to e-mail me and compare results.
    Just to recap. I purchased this system in Jan 2010. I ran into immediate difficulty trying to obtain similar graghs to the graghs published next day by Equinex. There appeared to be timing issues. When I exhausted all possibilities of resolving this it then transpired that there may be an intermittent technical problem with my internet service provider. The line was checked by them and their conclusion was that a fault existed beyond their network which they were unable to resolve. By the end of 2010 I had virtually given up through sheer frustration. I have to say that throughout this period I was very impressed with how much effort Steven made to resolve the matter.On many days we were on the phone for hours at an end and it convinced me of his sincerity to get it working.
    I made another attempt to get it working 6 weeks ago and my posts here will reflect my renewed interest and my interest in how others have been getting along. At times the frustration did boil over, and I threatened legal action.
    After one of my posts around this period Steven telephoned me and expressed what he had also said here, namely, that the ratings can be used in more than one way. I pursued this and I have to be fair now and say that I have been astonished at the turn around.
    In the past 4 weeks I have been delighted with the profits. I would probably be amazed if I calculated the hourly rate when it only takes 3 or 4 hours in the afternoon.
    I will post here again an update in a few weeks time but let me give some advice to those who find themselves where I was 2 months ago. If you have purchased this system find yourself some steely determination to make it work. It requires patience and the ability to apply yourself. It also requires the right approach to Steven, if you go on the offensive and have a wrong attitude it won’t prove productive. Be willing to travel to Cheshunt if necessary. I live in Belfast and I was ready to get on a flight at any time.
    I have to say that 3 things kept me going at this.

    1) They have traded in the one place for 12 years. No fly by night scam lasts that long in one place.

    2)I am usually a very good judge of character and having met Steven a few times I got a feeling he was genuine. My sister and brother-in-law travelled to Cheshunt and also bought into this. Steven impressed them.

    3) Having worked long hours and owned and run my own business for 12 years with all the stress of employing staff etc, I never lost sight of the possibility of earning as much or more for far less hours and hassle.

    The sceptical might say well its only working 4 weeks but I believe I am well placed to continue with these winnings. These are strong, well backed horses and I expect this trend to continue.

    Comment by Richard — 13th June 2011 @ 3:26 pm

  734. Hi Richard

    I was interested in this system and have kept an eye on this blog, your post is very informative. Are you saying that it took you over a year to learn this system. I understand from your post that out of that year you have finally made a profit. Can you please keep us updated regarding your future profit and loss ? How much have you made since being a member of Equinex ?

    Steven I will keep an eye on Richards results over the next few weeks and then I may give you a call. One more question regarding the 30% trial, although it may not be relevant at the moment. You mention that it would be my profit or loss but then you mention it would have to meet certain criteria. Am I to believe from that, that that certain criteria would essentially be the results published on your website ? and therefore it would be your results. The only reason I ask is because some people seem to have problems matching your published results. It may not matter if Richards results go par shaped though, so I hope he keeps the blog updated.

    Richard I realize you cannot give details but are you now getting the same results as Equinex using the same system ?

    Thanks

    Jay

    Comment by Jay — 14th June 2011 @ 9:30 am

  735. Hi Jay,
    It didn’t take me a year to learn the system. As I explained, 2010 didn’t go well for various reasons, in short, timing and technical difficulties.
    Also as I explained, and Steven has said this here, there are various ways of using the ratings.
    Of one of these various methods, yes I am now matching the results of Equinex. I am now in week 5 of a sustained period of profit.
    I don’t want to go into details about how much I am making but its enough to say I am delighted. It has taken determination and maybe others have gave up too easily.
    I will be updating my progress in a few weeks here.

    Comment by Richard — 14th June 2011 @ 11:22 am

  736. Thank you for your reply Richard, Are you using a different system than the one which Steven is offering us a trial of ?

    Why did it take a full year before you tried a different way of using the ratings ?

    Comment by Jay — 14th June 2011 @ 11:40 am

  737. I am like a dog with a bone Jay. Very strong willed. I insisted on sticking to the one method even when technical problems persisted. It was time wasted, but not through Any fault of Stevens. Better late than never!

    Comment by Richard — 14th June 2011 @ 11:57 am

  738. Maybe everyone else is just having technical problems to Richard, I will certainly keep my eye on this now.

    Are you using a different system now ?

    Thanks

    Jay

    Comment by Jay — 14th June 2011 @ 12:06 pm

  739. Jay,

    In answer to your question in #734:

    Firstly, in order to be able to offer the ‘extended trial’ we had to provide a method of using the VSR ratings at home as well as being able to calculate real prices in real-time.

    This presented some difficulty as we have to pay Betfair to enable you to use their API as well as involving ourselves in service provision costs which could become costly if we had a lot of ‘window shoppers’.

    Our solution to overcome that is to only provide it to people who agree they are comfortable making their money this way and happy with using our software and want to go ahead with their purchase subject to it performing as we say it does.

    Hence, (if the ‘extended trial’ is requested) a minimum 30% deposit and commitment to buy (when performance is proven) is required. I’m sure you can appreciate; we would not wish to provide this to time-wasters, the ‘just curious’ or anyone who is not in a financial position to take up the offer.

    Additionally, as you read from Richards comment in paragraph 2 of blog #733 he (and what appears to be a small minority of people) seemed to have experienced some kind graphics lag affecting the chart displays which could be either their video card or ISP’s overdoing their contention ratios and not owning up.

    Problems like this are outside our control but can cause two people to see slightly different charts at exactly the same time. (Richard knows this to be the case as we tried using remote desktop, synchronised countdowns to screenshots taken on more than one system (his and ours) at the same time, live cross-comparisons etc and a whole lot of patience and data collection just trying to find the reason ‘Why’).

    So, this meant we had to develop a method where it would be incredibly difficult for any outside influence to stop your selections from the VSR ratings being exactly the same as ours. This has also been achieved.

    With that in mind, we have no doubt that your trading record at the end of the trial will be just the same as ours and show healthy profit totals (you can paper-trade during this period if you prefer).

    I hope that answers your question clearly, Jay.

    Comment by Steven — 14th June 2011 @ 1:04 pm

  740. Thank you Steven, I understand now, you only charge the deposit because it would cost you money, that is fair enough. But if after the extended trial I decided it wasn’t for me even if there was a profit, I could walk away with my deposit refunded.

    Maybe you could answer the question I asked Richard, I take it because of the technical difficulties etc and other people reporting an unclear selection process that you are now using a different system and that is the system which Richard is using and the one which I would trial ?

    Thanks

    Jay

    Comment by Jay — 14th June 2011 @ 1:18 pm

  741. I wish you would have changed your system 12 months ago when I was involved instead of that graph scam. Jay be careful Richard has made a profit 4 weeks out of 18 months not a great return if you ask me.

    Big I

    Comment by Ian — 14th June 2011 @ 1:22 pm

  742. Maybe I need to clarify.
    There is no new system, there is as Steven has said various ways to read the ratings.
    It just so happened that because of technical difficulties I am not using the graghs.
    And yes Ian you are right, 4 weeks out of 18 months may not be a great return but some of the reasons were my fault by persisting when technical problems existed, and I didn’t want to consider an alternative. Also I gave up for a period until Spring this year.
    May only be 4 weeks but I will update on how next few months goes

    Comment by Richard — 14th June 2011 @ 2:19 pm

  743. Richard you are not the only one who has had problems with the graphs. I had the same problem last year. But the problem was caused by Equinex. The back fit the results. The graphs are very unclear.

    So all this time everybody has had this problem with graphs and I for one called their office constantly, yet Steven never mentioned he had another system that I could have used which never needed the graphs and he waited 18 months of you trying to get these technical problems sorted out before telling you he had another system which you could use ? That is amazing Why did he not tell you about this system when you first started having problems ? That is shocking that they have people like me who lost thousands because of their scam graphs and yet he had a system that doesn’t need the use of them.

    Big I

    Comment by Ian — 14th June 2011 @ 2:53 pm

  744. As I said already Ian I stuck rigidly to the graghs, Steve did offer alternatives to get round my technical problems but I wanted to carry on regardless. Part of the reason for this is because we never really found out (still haven’t) the precise reason why I was getting a different gragh from Equinex. I also spent months trying different times to try and beat the lag, for example screenshots 5 seconds before Equinex etc.
    Actually I have purchased Windows 7 now (originally Vista) and if the problem was the video card or anything internal to the PC I now have a fresh opportunity to make even more if I can get the same graghs now as Equinex. I will be working on this in the next few weeks and will be taking screenshots and comparing them next day.

    Comment by Richard — 14th June 2011 @ 4:12 pm

  745. Richard, check in the members area. Look at the past selections ( that Equinex make the next day) and try to determine whether it was a selection. You will NEVER match their results because they decide the next day after the race has run, some of the selections back their should never be selections, then there are others that should be and are not included. You will find the result determines whether some are selections NOT the actual selection process.

    I wish you luck, but months upon months ad I could never match their selections simply because they change the rules to suit them and back fit them.

    Good Luck Richard, I feel you are going to need it. I will pop back here every once in a while to see how you are getting on. I cannot keep coming on here as it brings back so many bad emotions.

    Big I

    Comment by Ian — 14th June 2011 @ 4:43 pm

  746. For anyone wishing to find out how VSR works, once you have booked a date to come to our offices…
    1)We email out a copy of VSR ratings for a week before racing starts
    and before you attend a live demonstration at our offices. We also send a screenshot of each qualifying race showing winners and losers, so you can check these against the archives shown in our Members Area to be sure they are all there.
    2)At the live demonstration we teach you how to read the ratings and
    how to use our software systems (which takes around an hour to learn
    enough to be able to enter data and fire bets or trades into the
    exchange markets … in real-time and watch the results and profits … as they come in!
    3)By that stage you will know what kind of ‘work’ is
    involved and what the daily process is in order to get ready to
    make money using the system.
    NOW you have a choice!
    a) You can buy it to use yourself.
    b) You can go away and think it over before deciding if it is for you.
    c) You can ask for the ‘extended trial’ This is where you are given
    our VSR ratings and the ability to make money by using them for a
    week AFTER leaving our offices and BEFORE you buy.
    Using our selection method and trading software for another week
    requires us to set up an online account for you that is API
    enabled by us so you can use our trading software at home).
    If you choose option ‘c’, we require a 30% deposit and ask you to
    commit to buy if it makes the profits we predicted (or higher)
    before the start the trial (to agreed stakes). If not we would
    obviously refund it in full immediately.
    The profit made over the period will be based on YOUR figures –
    NOT OURS but will need to conform to the very simple and totally
    unambiguous method we will give you.
    You do not have to use your own money at this stage if you do not want to. It is very simple to ‘paper-trade’ and keep a record of your selections and profits.
    Before taking option ‘c’ we believe anyone would have seen enough to know whether they would like to do this for a second or full-time income or not.
    At the end of the extended trial you will know it is absolutely genuine as you would have done the whole thing YOURSELF from the comfort of your own home.

    Comment by Steven — 15th June 2011 @ 9:46 am

  747. Please guys. DON NOT TRUST THIS GUY.

    This is what will happen if you buy this system.

    You take it home, you start to use it.
    You find you cannot match equinex’s selections.
    You wonder why one is a selection and another isn’t despite both the selections looking the same.
    You ask Steven to clarify, he give you some BS about the reason why. They constantly break their own select procedure.
    You lose money, they show a profit ( from the selections they backfit the next day)
    You ring Steven, he tells you he has another system, he lies and says the result have been good. When you start to lose it. You lose money.

    Ok guys, there you have it, that WILL be you experience with Equinex and you didn’t even need to spend £5k to get it, not to mention endure the stress of the loses.

    If you are silly enough to invest in this when Equinex don’t even use it themselves, more fool you………My advise is stay away from this, unless you want to have the above experience.

    Comment by Ian — 15th June 2011 @ 4:05 pm

  748. In my case Ian, Steven telephoned me, and its working!
    Week 5 is proving as profitable as week 1-4.
    I understand what you mean about bad emotions Ian because I experienced them too.
    I appreciate your good wishes that this turn around continues

    Comment by Richard — 15th June 2011 @ 10:22 pm

  749. Richard, The new system you are using, would it be available for me to use, if I became a member ? If not your results will be irrelevant because I would not be able to use it.

    Thanks

    Jay

    Comment by Jay — 16th June 2011 @ 10:39 pm

  750. I am not saying the graghs don’t work Jay. I had persistent technical difficulties, and I worked hard to get through that.
    When you buy into this its the gragh system you purchase. Maybe not everyone will have the difficulties I had, but you have seen Steven’s post and something was created to by-pass the problem for me. Who is to say you would have the same problem?
    Aside from that, its not me you should address those questions to.

    Comment by Richard — 16th June 2011 @ 11:10 pm

  751. No problem Richard, I’ll ask Steven if I decide to take it any further once I have followed your results for a while. One thing that I cannot make sense of is that you said in an earlier post that this was not a new system, yet you just said that this system was developed for you. Can you clarify ?

    Thanks

    Jay

    Comment by Jay — 17th June 2011 @ 2:18 pm

  752. Jay,
    I don’t blame you for waiting to see how I can get on. This is the end of week 5 and its another good one. I promise to update regularly.
    You need to address these questions to Steven, Jay, I understood it wasn’t new I could be wrong. Steven says it was developed to get past my technical problems. Who cares as long as it works!

    Comment by Richard — 17th June 2011 @ 3:36 pm

  753. No problem Richard, Steven can you clarify if I will be able to use the same system as Richard? And how long you have been using this system ?

    Richard can I ask you what stakes you are using and the point profit levels in the 5 weeks so far ?

    Thanks

    Jay

    Comment by Jay — 17th June 2011 @ 3:47 pm

  754. Hi Jay,

    Why don’t you come and see it first. Once you are here you can get anything clarified that you need to.

    As for asking Richard how much money he makes, isn’t it enough that the guy is happy with it and is making consistent profits?

    If you really want to know more – why not book to come and see it and try it out yourself?

    Comment by Steven — 17th June 2011 @ 4:14 pm

  755. Thanks Steven once I have tied a few loose ends up and seen a few more weeks profit I shall be in contact with your office. 5 weeks profit for the time Richard has been involved isn’t really consistent. The reason I asked about his stakes etc was it is very relative to me, some systems you cannot get enough money on etc and the profit maxes out pretty quick.

    Richard if you don’t want to answer my questions I totally understand, but could you at least give me an idea of the ROI ?

    Steven you can expect a call in a few weeks, if Richards results continue, thanks for your patients

    Thanks

    Jay

    Comment by Jay — 17th June 2011 @ 5:27 pm

  756. Sorry Jay I am not prepared to go into details on here.Its really my business how much my bets are and how much I am making.
    I am very happy with the returns and that should be enough.

    Comment by Richard — 17th June 2011 @ 5:39 pm

  757. No problem Richard I understand you don’t want to discuss your finances etc. Could you give the blog an idea of the ROI percent or a point profit/loss as opposed to a finance profit/loss. It is just easier to relate to the results that way.

    Thanks

    Jay

    Comment by Jay — 18th June 2011 @ 3:47 pm

  758. Hi Jay,

    I thought from what you had said that you were interested in this for yourself “rather than asking Richard to “give the blog an idea”.

    I would urge Richard not to be too specific on a public, anonymous blog like this. He has already stated in his previous answer to your questions that he is “very happy with the returns”.

    Imagine if you were already using it yourself … I am sure you would not like to see someone declare too much on an open blog.

    If you are genuinely interested, call our offices to arrange a meeting when you are ready in a few weeks time and IF you elect to take our extended trial offer, we will show you how it all works as well as profits and ROI figures.

    Comment by Steven — 18th June 2011 @ 5:49 pm

  759. Thanks Steven,

    I am not looking for any personal information or even any details on the system. I know Richard stated “very happy with the returns” but this really is relative. He could be staking massive amounts for a small profit etc. I am not saying he is, but Richard being happy with the returns maybe different than mine or another persons

    Maybe my choice of words regarding giving the blog an idea, were not the best, I should have said “give me an idea”

    In short I am simply looking for an idea of the point profit during Richards 5 weeks. If Richard doesn’t wish to do that, it is totally fine, he has no reason to. Whatever happens I will be watching Richards posts to see how he is getting on over the next couple of weeks.

    In the meantime Steven could you please clarify whether or not the system Richard is using would be open to me or any new member ?

    Thanks Jay

    Comment by Jay — 19th June 2011 @ 9:41 pm

  760. Hi Jay,

    Richard uses the VSR ratings. This is exactly the same as we all get and exactly as they have been (apart from the fact they are now available on spreadsheet in chronological order or by race meeting from our data entry service) since 1998.

    Comment by Steven — 21st June 2011 @ 12:04 pm

  761. I’ve just had a look around your website. I noticed there are two options, one of which is a monthly payment. Could I just subscribe to your ratings service?

    Comment by Richard — 21st June 2011 @ 1:52 pm

  762. No. Sorry, Richard but the data entry service is only available to VSR owners.

    Comment by Steven — 22nd June 2011 @ 9:08 am

  763. What system is being used now out of interest as the Place and Win system didnt work, the trending graphs didnt work and the mass index didnt work so what are you using now and for how long??

    Comment by andy b — 22nd June 2011 @ 11:41 am

  764. It works fine, Andy. We can prove it and have offered a £6k bet to any detractor if you want to take that up?

    Either way, it wouldn’t be of any use to you, Andy as you would actually have to be in front of your computer yourself to use it.

    Comment by Steven — 22nd June 2011 @ 2:02 pm

  765. It is a bluff he knows nobody has the time to take him up on it.

    Steven why don’t you send your selections to an independently person for a week or two BEFORE the race ? A legal eagle (as you put it) Instead of trying to bluff your way through it ?

    You said you can prove it works NOW prove it, send YOUR selections BEFORE the race to an independent person for a week or two ?? Obviously you will not do this because it will find you out and you would not be able to blame the user for not following the rules etc. (which I have no doubt you would do, even in your BS challenge.

    Richard has reported a profit 1 month out of 18 not the best average, and he is even using a different system from the one you pimp.

    Comment by Ian — 22nd June 2011 @ 5:03 pm

  766. If its a bluff – take me up on it!

    Ian, you can’t say it doesn’t work then refuse to take a bet that it does.

    You know as well as I do that if any one but you checks the selections and profits you will call them a liar the moment they confirm it works. That is why it has to be you.

    Comment by Steven — 23rd June 2011 @ 11:14 am

  767. If anyone wants to find out for themselves how well this performs, this is the process …

    Once you have booked a date to come to our offices:

    1)We email out a copy of VSR ratings for a week before racing starts
    and before you attend a live demonstration at our offices. We also send a screenshot of each qualifying race showing winners and losers, so you can check these against the archives shown in our Members Area to be sure they are all there.

    2)At the live demonstration we teach you how to read the ratings and
    how to use our software systems (which takes around an hour to learn
    enough to be able to enter data and fire bets or trades into the
    exchange markets … in real-time and watch the results and profits … as they come in!

    3)By that stage you will know what kind of ‘work’ is
    involved and what the daily process is in order to get ready to
    make money using the system.

    NOW you have a choice!

    a) You can buy it to use yourself.

    b) You can go away and think it over before deciding if it is for you.

    c) You can ask for the ‘extended trial’

    This is where you are given our VSR ratings and the ability to make money by using them for a week AFTER leaving our offices and BEFORE you buy.

    Using our selection method and trading software for another week
    requires us to set up an online account for you that is API
    enabled by us so you can use our trading software at home).

    If you choose option ‘c’, we require a 30% deposit and ask you to
    commit to buy and make a small charge ONLY if it makes the profits we predicted (or higher)before the start the trial (to agreed stakes). If not we would obviously refund it in full immediately.

    The profit made over the period will be based on YOUR figures –
    NOT OURS but will need to conform to the very simple and totally
    unambiguous method we will give you.

    You do not have to use your own money at this stage if you do not want to. It is very simple to ‘paper-trade’ and keep a record of your selections and profits.

    At the end of the extended trial you will know it is absolutely genuine as you would have done the whole thing YOURSELF from start to finish from the comfort of your own home and seen the profits we predicted before the trial started.

    Comment by Steven — 23rd June 2011 @ 11:22 am

  768. Ian,
    The reason why the selections cannot be sent to an adjudicator, or whatever you like to call them, in advance is simple. All info used in this system to determine the choices has to be bang up to date.. Therefore previous performance of jockeys/horses then number of runners declared etc etc has to be as up to date as it can possibly be.
    After reading this you’ll see that your last blog was a waste of time and shows you clutching at straws.
    Why don’t you take Steve up on his offer. I’d be happy to have egg on my face if it meant me making a few quid!

    Comment by Jon — 23rd June 2011 @ 2:56 pm

  769. Yes “Jon” I am fully aware how the system works I was a member until Dec 2010. It would be VERY easy for Steven to send the selections to the person doing the verification. The selections are made one minute before the off, therefore Steven could make his selection and send it to the verifying person via IM (hotmail IM Yahoo IM Skype IM or whatever IM service he prefers. Of course he WILL never do that because that would find him out and prove his system worthless.

    So easy for him to prove it works, but he won’t do it, why ? because he knows he only shows a profit because he makes his selections the next day and back fits the results. The reason he comes up with these elaborate challenges is because he know they are in practical for people to take up. I for one don’t have the money to travel to London and spend a week there etc and neither do most people looking into biz opps, any body sensible person can see that. So instead of simply having his results verified he throws out these BS challenges to stop people from asking him to prove it works.

    So again I ask you Steven, you say you can prove it works,so prove it. Send your selections via IM to an independent source to be verified.

    Comment by Ian — 23rd June 2011 @ 8:20 pm

  770. I HAVE TOLD YOU I HAVE NO INTENTION OF COMING TO SEE YOU. I live too far away for one. I have not been a member since Dec 2010.

    I constantly called your office, you fobbed me off with excuse after excuse. You back fit your selections and some don’t even meet your guidlines. YOU DON’T USE THIS SYSTEM YOURSELF.

    There you have it guys.

    This guy will tell you anything to sell this system, which he has so much faith in he makes his selections the next day.

    I have outlined what will happen if you buy this. Go on buy it, you will see I am right….

    That is it, my review. I realize this is now becoming an argument which I never wanted. So Steven I am not going to respond to anything you have to say. I have given my review.

    That is my review. I do believe this is a review blog. Interesting that you are on here trying to quell free speech. My experience is my experience,my opinion is my opinion. I will let others decide whether to believe it or not I do not care. All I can do is tell them what to expect based on my experience. This is bring back all my stress and anger.

    That is my experience guys, take it or leave it. This guy will take your money and lie to you. You have been warned.

    Steven post what you like, I will not read it or respond because I am not even going to read this blog again it makes me to angry I hope these posts won’t get buried and people doing their research will find them. THIS IS A SCAM

    Comment by Ian — 23rd June 2011 @ 8:25 pm

  771. Ian .. IF that is your real name – you just showed everyone that you are bogus!

    When you said “why don’t you send your selections to an independently person for a week or two BEFORE the race” shows you haven’t got the foggiest idea how it works or you would know that is just not physically possible as Jon so rightly pointed out to you in #768!

    However, anyone can check it out for themselves – independently of you, me or anyone else!

    If what you say was true we wouldn’t be able to follow the process where once you have booked a date to come to our offices:

    1)We email out a copy of VSR ratings for a week before racing starts
    and before you attend a live demonstration at our offices. We also send a screenshot of each qualifying race showing winners and losers, so you can check these against the archives shown in our Members Area to be sure they are all there.

    2)At the live demonstration we teach you how to read the ratings and
    how to use our software systems (which takes around an hour to learn
    enough to be able to enter data and fire bets or trades into the
    exchange markets … in real-time and watch the results and profits … as they come in!

    3)By that stage you will know what kind of ‘work’ is
    involved and what the daily process is in order to get ready to
    make money using the system.

    NOW you have a choice!

    a) You can buy it to use yourself.

    b) You can go away and think it over before deciding if it is for you.

    c) You can ask for the ‘extended trial’

    This is where you are given our VSR ratings and the ability to make money by using them for a week AFTER leaving our offices and BEFORE you buy.

    Using our selection method and trading software for another week
    requires us to set up an online account for you that is API
    enabled by us so you can use our trading software at home).

    If you choose option ‘c’, we require a 30% deposit and ask you to
    commit to buy and make a small charge ONLY if it makes the profits we predicted (or higher)before the start the trial (to agreed stakes). If not we would obviously refund it in full immediately.

    The profit made over the period will be based on YOUR figures –
    NOT OURS but will need to conform to the very simple and totally
    unambiguous method we will give you.

    You do not have to use your own money at this stage if you do not want to. It is very simple to ‘paper-trade’ and keep a record of your selections and profits.

    At the end of the extended trial you will know it is absolutely genuine as you would have done the whole thing YOURSELF from start to finish from the comfort of your own home and seen the profits we predicted before the trial started.

    Comment by Steven — 24th June 2011 @ 11:06 am

  772. Steve,
    I think that, due to Ian’s lack of punctuation, I may have misread what he said. I think that he is asking you to forward to an independent adjudicator, all selections, over a 2 week period just prior to the race starting.

    Comment by Jon — 24th June 2011 @ 11:23 am

  773. Oh dear, as expected an excuse not to prove his system works. I know EXACTLY how your system works. I said send your selections FOR a week or two to the independent person before each race. If you like I will outline your entire selection process if you feel I have not used it.

    Now as I know exactly what I am talking about. Each selection is made 1 minute before each race. ( that much is common knowledge on here). All you would have to do to prove your system works is :

    You decide 1 minute before the race horse A meets your criteria and it is a bet. You then place your bet with one click of your mouse 2 seconds so lets say 10 seconds. Then all you would have to do is send that horse name (initials if you like) via IM to the person verifying your selections.

    It would be so easy to prove to the world it works, but you won’t because you know it only shows a profit because you back fit the selections.

    Comment by Ian — 24th June 2011 @ 2:41 pm

  774. This guy will tell you anything to sell this system, which he has so much faith in he makes his selections the next day.

    I have outlined what will happen if you buy this. Go on buy it, you will see I am right….

    That is it, my review. I realize this is now becoming an argument which I never wanted. So Steven I am not going to respond to anything you have to say. I have given my review.

    That is my review. I do believe this is a review blog. Interesting that you are on here trying to quell free speech. My experience is my experience,my opinion is my opinion. I will let others decide whether to believe it or not I do not care. All I can do is tell them what to expect based on my experience. This is bring back all my stress and anger.

    That is my experience guys, take it or leave it. This guy will take your money and lie to you. You have been warned.

    Steven post what you like, I will not read it or respond because I am not even going to read this blog again it makes me to angry I hope these posts won’t get buried and people doing their research will find them. THIS IS A SCAM

    Comment by Ian — 24th June 2011 @ 2:42 pm

  775. Ian,

    I am sure that you would have no problem travelling to our offices to win £6,000 if what you say is true.

    I will happily enter a binding contract to this effect and go over how to use the ratings properly with you. You can then go away and make a list off odds and selections that match what I tell you.

    At the end of one week – the selections you have made according to what I will show you WILL make the profit I will predict before you start. The whole thing can be adjudicated by a chartered accountant or legal supervisor if you wish.

    If it doesn’t make the predicted profit – I pay you £6,000. If it does you pay me £6,000.

    Of course, if what you are saying isn’t true, you won’t come, will fire more insults or find some other spurious reason to wriggle out of this challenge.

    Comment by Steven — 24th June 2011 @ 3:09 pm

  776. Of course I have a problem traveling to your offices as others would have. One major problem, finance, as I have already mentioned I cannot afford to take a full week away and say in a hotel in London nor can many others. That is the reason you issue such BS challenges.

    I have used your system I listened to your BS for so long before realizing I had been taken for a mug.

    I have NO intention of coming to see you.

    Come on then prove your system works, you have no excuses.

    Lets get these result verified by an independent person via IM. Ofcourse you won’t do because you make your selections the day after.

    The fact is you could prove your system works, but you won’t. There can only be one reason why.

    Again, I HAVE NO INTENTION OF COMING TO SEE YOU.

    Comment by Ian — 24th June 2011 @ 5:39 pm

  777. Steven your comment 764 this is clear admission that what you sold me was and is no good. The place and win system did not require sitting in front of the computer and as you know it failed after only 1 1/2 months, you yourself told me to stop using it in the december. So I assume you will now be buying back my software to sell on again as you would not want to come across as someone that sells something that only works for 2 months. You have my number in your records so I look forward to your call.
    At last thanks Steven.

    Comment by andy b — 24th June 2011 @ 5:45 pm

  778. Hi Andy,

    Are you still a member of Equinex and get their ratings ? If so could you not use the same system as Richard ? he seems to be making a profit. I am looking into this opportunity and following Richards results for a few weeks.

    Thanks

    Jay

    Comment by Jay — 24th June 2011 @ 8:00 pm

  779. I love the way that VSR bashers will not put up or shut up!

    I have read this complete drivel by people such as Ian (765) and others.

    What does Steve have to do to satisfy you people? Well I bought into this without any hesitation I can recommend the ratings as out performing ANY of the bvery best tipster services on william hill, betfair commentaries etc including “The Duke”, David Cleary, Ken, The Pimmeister and others who I really do rate plus any other online tipsters bar none.

    I am also a subscriber to another expensive tipping system beginning with “B” and believe me that one really does leave you losing your shirt. The last 6 months with “B” have been really bad and what you end up doing is having an increasing recommended points to bet on selections to try and recover previous losses.

    They are consistently at 6 points now and huge losses.

    Anyway, regardless of how you apply the equitrack ratings whether using dutching across the three selections in the win market, or the place system with graphs at a minute before the off, or maybe just picking out the top two or three strong horses of the day, I fail to see how anyone with a bit of sense cannot do well and be ahead of the huge mass of people who consistently lose money gambling.

    The key to it all is to keep the same stakes and be consistent in what you do. I have been pushing Steve for ages to stop selling the system and just keep it for the people who understand gambling and horses and who are able to dedicate the time required to get the best out of it.

    I meet daily with a dear friend who is 75 and a huge gambler who regularly puts anything between £50 and £1,000 on a horse.

    It scares me as my stakes are much lower but he and I pool knowledge over a glass of wine or two each day before racing starts.

    We use every possible tool and top rated services that money can buy and 9/10 Equitrack out performs them all.

    Yes we have bad days but we have many more good days than bad. Well as someone has already said on here, go take a trial, pay nothing, see if it works and then buy it if it delivers the goods!

    Im assuming the system did work well for all of the people who claim to be owners on here (although it sounds like some of you have never owned it) because why buy a system that did not impress when it was demonstrated prior to purchase?

    I realise that once this is posted there will be those who say Im a Steve crony or maybe steve himself or a liar but I don’t care a jot because selfishly I hope Steve never sells another copy of the software and ratings ever because if we all did the same thing it would be less effective.

    So sorry steve if you do read this but you don’t need these people who keep complaining so why not just focus on your very happy users as Im sure you get a nice living from the subscriptions and your own betting habits.

    Stop selling the software, increase the monthly subscriptions a little if you must and let the rest of these complaining losers get their tips from the racing post, sporting life etc like the masses who consistently lose at gambling.

    There I said it, now the detractors who claim to be equitrack owners (but who are really not) can rip it to pieces!

    [Addition by Ben: I have formatted this text into paragraphs to make it easier to read but other than this I have not edited it]

    Comment by James — 24th June 2011 @ 11:26 pm

  780. James I don’t think people should have to “put up or shut up” I used this system I have outlined my experience, Steven makes these claims but won’t prove them. At one point during this blog he even said he was going to show some Betfair records but cited technical reasons for not doing so (something to do with the blog format) the moderator of the blog Ben offered to put them up for him but guess what he refused . The three methods you outlined below all resulted in loses for me and yes I followed the selection process to the letter. Equinex will NEVER stop selling this because it is how they make their money as they do not even use it themselves.

    Steven has been given the opportunity to prove his claims but he refuses to, so people can make their minds up why he refuses. I have used this system I know it does not work or I should say it didn’t work, (They may have changed something)not the dutching not the green light races or the pick a winner method nor did the pick a place method (both in the manual) The method they claim to make a profit only does that because they back pick their selections the next day. They even told customers to stop using a couple of methods because the losses were so bad.

    I have outlined my experience with this system. Once again Steven are you going to have your results proofed ? It would be very easy to do as already outlined.

    Comment by Ian — 25th June 2011 @ 12:54 pm

  781. Yes, Ian. I even offered to have them proofed by YOU as explained in my challenge bet to you as YOU are the one that is demanding proof.

    I said I would show you how to make selections in a way you couldn’t get wrong and predict the profit beforehand.

    YOU check the selections and when it has made the profit that I predicted by the end of the agreed period – you pay me £6k. If it didn’t – I pay you £6k.

    Couldn’t be simpler!

    Like I said – you still fudge around the issue .. if you thought what you were saying was true .. you would have no problem taking up my challenge!

    Thanks James. You are a reaI breath of fresh air on here and I have to say, your comments in #779 have really got me thinking.

    Comment by Steven — 26th June 2011 @ 12:52 am

  782. I know that if I was a subscriber and I couldn’t getting it working, and I saw other subscribers on here saying they were doing well it would spur me on to find out why I wasn’t making profit. I understand that guys have maybe been stung but see the bigger picture and paper trade until you see it working.
    I have just finished week 6 and the profits are rolling in. I have never made good money this easy.
    Glad I never gave up and am grateful to Steve who persisted to sort it.
    Jay, you mentioned ROI. I really haven’t a clue on what that averages out at as every bet has a different ratio of return based on the odd’s. Steve would have a better idea. Do the trial.

    Comment by Richard B — 26th June 2011 @ 9:22 am

  783. As expected you refuse yet again to prove this works. People make your own minds up to why Steven refuses to proof his system.

    Steven I have told you on numerous occasions I don’t even have enough money to spend a week away in London never mind bet £6000. I did have before you took my £5000 then I wasted around the same again on your selections etc.

    You know I cannot take up this challenge I told you straight away I couldn’t afford even the hotel bill, yet you still make it.

    The only reason you do is because you know I cannot take it up and nor do I expect other cash strapped clients of yours.

    The only reason you won’t proof your sytem via IM is because you know you can’t BECAUSE IT DOES NOT WORK

    Comment by Ian — 26th June 2011 @ 6:29 pm

  784. Unfortunately Richard I couldn’t lose for 18 month until I saw any profit like you did six months was enough for me.

    I hope your luck continues.

    I have said my piece it is clear my input is not really wanted. My experiences have been outlined. Steven won’t prove his system I cannot take his challenge because of lack of money I wish I could.

    I have said my bit it is time to move on now.

    Good Luck all

    Comment by Ian — 26th June 2011 @ 7:22 pm

  785. Ian,
    The reason why the selections cannot be sent to an adjudicator, or whatever you like to call them, in advance is simple. All info used in this system to determine the choices has to be bang up to date.. Therefore previous performance of jockeys/horses then number of runners declared etc etc has to be as up to date as it can possibly be.
    After reading this you’ll see that your last blog was a waste of time and shows you clutching at straws.
    Why don’t you take Steve up on his offer. I’d be happy to have egg on my face if it meant me making a few quid!

    Comment by Jon – June 23, 2011 @ 2:56 pm

    Comment by Steven — 26th June 2011 @ 11:43 pm

  786. 1 Make the selection 1 min before off
    2 Place Bet 2 seconds
    3 send selection via IM to person verifying the results

    Easy as that Steven

    Yes “Jon” I am fully aware how the system works I was a member until Dec 2010. It would be VERY easy for Steven to send the selections to the person doing the verification. The selections are made one minute before the off, therefore Steven could make his selection and send it to the verifying person via IM (hotmail IM Yahoo IM Skype IM or whatever IM service he prefers. Of course he WILL never do that because that would find him out and prove his system worthless.

    So easy for him to prove it works, but he won’t do it, why ? because he knows he only shows a profit because he makes his selections the next day and back fits the results. The reason he comes up with these elaborate challenges is because he know they are in practical for people to take up. I for one don’t have the money to travel to London and spend a week there etc and neither do most people looking into biz opps, any body sensible person can see that. So instead of simply having his results verified he throws out these BS challenges to stop people from asking him to prove it works.

    Comment by Ian — 27th June 2011 @ 8:37 am

  787. Ian,

    You still can’t read instructions properly!

    I have said to you repeatedly – you do not need to come to London for a week (even though we’ve been in Hertfordshire for the last 13 years, never in London).

    I don’t need to prove anything!

    If you want to prove you can’t make money from PROPER use of the ratings you have been offered the opportunity to use it PROPERLY but declined.

    It is pointless affair for me to IM selections to a third party because as soon as they said “Sorry, Ian – it works fine” you will disbelieve them too. The only way to ‘win’ with you is to get you (under legal supervision) to make the selections yourself – which is exactly what I have tried to do.

    You have responded to others on here who are also happily making money using the ratings.

    When Richard B says in #782 “I know that if I was a subscriber and I couldn’t getting it working, and I saw other subscribers on here saying they were doing well it would spur me on to find out why I wasn’t making profit. I understand that guys have maybe been stung but see the bigger picture and paper trade until you see it working.
    I have just finished week 6 and the profits are rolling in. I have never made good money this easy” you dismiss this as “luck”.

    When James says in #779 …

    I love the way that VSR bashers will not put up or shut up!

    I have read this complete drivel by people such as Ian (765) and others.

    What does Steve have to do to satisfy you people?

    Well I bought into this without any hesitation I can recommend the ratings as out performing ANY of the very best tipster services on william hill, betfair commentaries etc including “The Duke”, David Cleary, Ken, The Pimmeister and others who I really do rate plus any other online tipsters bar none.

    I am also a subscriber to another expensive tipping system beginning with “B” and believe me that one really does leave you losing your shirt. The last 6 months with “B” have been really bad and what you end up doing is having an increasing recommended points to bet on selections to try and recover previous losses.

    They are consistently at 6 points now and huge losses.

    Anyway, regardless of how you apply the equitrack ratings whether using dutching across the three selections in the win market, or the place system with graphs at a minute before the off, or maybe just picking out the top two or three strong horses of the day, I fail to see how anyone with a bit of sense cannot do well and be ahead of the huge mass of people who consistently lose money gambling.

    The key to it all is to keep the same stakes and be consistent in what you do. I have been pushing Steve for ages to stop selling the system and just keep it for the people who understand gambling and horses and who are able to dedicate the time required to get the best out of it.

    I meet daily with a dear friend who is 75 and a huge gambler who regularly puts anything between £50 and £1,000 on a horse.

    It scares me as my stakes are much lower but he and I pool knowledge over a glass of wine or two each day before racing starts.
    We use every possible tool and top rated services that money can buy and 9/10 Equitrack out performs them all.

    Yes we have bad days but we have many more good days than bad. Well as someone has already said on here, go take a trial, pay nothing, see if it works and then buy it if it delivers the goods!

    Im assuming the system did work well for all of the people who claim to be owners on here (although it sounds like some of you have never owned it) because why buy a system that did not impress when it was demonstrated prior to purchase?

    I realise that once this is posted there will be those who say Im a Steve crony or maybe steve himself or a liar but I don’t care a jot because selfishly I hope Steve never sells another copy of the software and ratings ever because if we all did the same thing it would be less effective.

    So sorry steve if you do read this but you don’t need these people who keep complaining so why not just focus on your very happy users as Im sure you get a nice living from the subscriptions and your own betting habits.

    Stop selling the software, increase the monthly subscriptions a little if you must and let the rest of these complaining losers get their tips from the racing post, sporting life etc like the masses who consistently lose at gambling.

    There I said it, now the detractors who claim to be equitrack owners (but who are really not) can rip it to pieces!
    Comment by James – June 24, 2011 @ 11:26 pm

    You answer to this was … “James I don’t think people should have to put up or shut up”

    Comment by Ian – June 25, 2011 @ 12:54 pm

    Well … in #775 I gave you the opportunity to do just that …

    “Ian,

    I am sure that you would have no problem travelling to our offices to win £6,000 if what you say is true.

    I will happily enter a binding contract to this effect and go over how to use the ratings properly with you. YOU CAN THEN GO AWAY and make a list off odds and selections that match what I tell you.

    At the end of one week – the selections you have made according to what I will show you WILL make the profit I will predict before you start. The whole thing can be adjudicated by a chartered accountant or legal supervisor if you wish.

    If it doesn’t make the predicted profit – I pay you £6,000. If it does you pay me £6,000.

    Of course, if what you are saying isn’t true, you won’t come …”.

    Comment by Steven – June 24, 2011 @ 3:09 pm

    Comment by Steven — 27th June 2011 @ 9:43 am

  788. Oh so I only have to come to London for one day ? and you will show me how to use the ratings properly ?

    The only problem with that is that YOU only make your selections the next day and back fit the result. Therefore it would be the same problem.

    You continue to back fit your results, I wouldn’t be able to match them because you are constantly breaking your own rules. The results would be I could not match your results and therefore you would simply say I am not using it correctly.

    For this reason, why don’t you prove your selections and make them before the race?

    Anyone reading this knows why.

    I have used your system and it did not work, I have outlined my experience.

    I read a post on here from David who said he was actually told by you to stop using the system because it was losing too much money. He even discovered how Barry actually broke your selection criteria on his trial.

    I am sick to death of people like you, after my first post on here I wanted to go away and never come back, it just hurts so much knowing what I lost, not to mention the £5000 I paid you for a puppy. But I see you still treat your customers with total contempt.

    On another point, you cannot bury the truth by re posting your previous promotional posts. You are clever Steven how you keep getting away with this but you are not as clever as you think if you believe your future victims will not read down the blog past your BS.

    That really is it from me, if people buy into this after reading this blog then more fool them

    Comment by Ian — 27th June 2011 @ 11:02 am

  789. I am glad you mentioned Richard B he is a true measure of your system 18 months of failure and 6 winning weeks. Seriously you would get better averages doing ip dip.

    Comment by Ian — 27th June 2011 @ 11:04 am

  790. As I said in a previous post Ian, I persisted against Steven’s advice when I was getting technical problems. He did say there was various ways of using the ratings and I stuck to one that got no better for the reasons I gave. Also from September 2010-March/April 2011 I was virtually inactive with Equinex and wasn’t subscribing as I had effectively given up.
    The last 6 weeks have been very profitable and I regret not seeking an alternative solution sooner but I am glad I didn’t totally give up now.
    Seems strange that this hope means nothing to you but good luck whatever you do.

    Comment by Richard B — 27th June 2011 @ 12:14 pm

  791. That’s a pity. I noticed a few second hand copies were being sold on here ? If I got a second hand one would that allow me to use the data entery service ? Anybody got one for sale, how much ? £5000 is too much for me at the moment.

    Comment by Richard — 28th June 2011 @ 7:49 am

  792. I was wondering the same Richard. The last thing I would want to do is buy a copy off someone and then not be able to get access to the systems etc

    Thanks

    Jay

    Comment by Jay — 28th June 2011 @ 1:31 pm

  793. you can buy my copy,best offer accepted .closing date 7th july

    Comment by skipper — 30th June 2011 @ 10:49 am

  794. Hi Skipper, How can I contact you ?

    Comment by Jay — 30th June 2011 @ 1:23 pm

  795. I’ll start the bidding off. I bid £10 Providing I can use it as all the other users do and I can get the data entery service to

    Comment by Richard — 30th June 2011 @ 4:29 pm

  796. Skipper you can contact me at jd94698@gmail.com, It doesn’t look like Richard is serious. I’ll outbid bit him anyway I’ll double his bid. Drop me a line at the email above. Also if anybody else has any feedback please contact me at the above email.

    Thanks Jay

    Comment by Jay — 1st July 2011 @ 2:09 pm

  797. Week 7 just finished guys and highly profitable again.
    I’d say 7 weeks in a row working is more than good luck.
    Richard, if you think you can get in on this by paying £10 you need to get into the real world mate!

    Comment by Richard B — 1st July 2011 @ 5:55 pm

  798. Well done Richard. It is a shame none of the other users can use the same system as you. Unless I have miss understood the blog posts I Understand you have your own system ?

    Comment by Richard — 2nd July 2011 @ 9:17 pm

  799. Richard,
    Steven has said clearly in previous posts that the ratings can be used in more than one way, and I have explained at length why I am on one which cannot be affected by technological difficulties.
    If you do the trial these things can all be explained

    Comment by Richard — 2nd July 2011 @ 9:33 pm

  800. Oh I see Richard, I had a read back on here I see you were threatening legal action because of your problems. You seem to be the only one reporting profits and you have your own system. Say I bought would you let me use the same system as you ?

    Comment by Richard — 2nd July 2011 @ 9:41 pm

  801. Richard,
    It’s not my gift to give, I am a customer of Equinex not a shareholder!
    You really need to discuss these things with Steven but I will say this.
    I have been doing the graphs on windows 7 and have just had quite a good week. Originally I had vista, and Steven thought I might have a memory card fault.
    You can try it yourself in the trial, you may not need an
    alternative.
    Also Richard if you read through this blog you will find that I am
    not actually alone in reporting good profits

    Comment by Richard — 2nd July 2011 @ 11:22 pm

  802. I did read back Richard over 12 months and you are the only customer who actually reports a profit. There a few guys who have made posts claiming to be happy they however have not stated they have made profits. I have to agree with a couple of claims on here that those posts somehow don’t seem legit. I could be wrong. You are the only guy reporting actual profits and this after seemingly threatening legal action, I read a lot of posts from people having problems with the graphs, and people claiming it is because Equinex make their decision the next day. How can they do that ?

    Cheers for your answers,

    Skipper I’ll give you £25 I won’t go much higher. At that it is a total punt , do you have a reverve price in mind ?

    Comment by Richard — 3rd July 2011 @ 8:39 am

  803. Skipper did you make any profits ?

    Comment by Richard — 3rd July 2011 @ 8:49 am

  804. Richard,
    I have seen other posts on here from Jon, James,and Les all saying they are happy Equinex subscribers. I don’t know where you get the idea I am the only subscriber on here that is making profits.
    I also don’t know where you are coming from making silly offers of £10 and £25 for a system that can make up to £1000 plus a week or more. That’s the profits Equinex publish on their public site and I now have no reason to dispute it.
    That’s also the reason why I think you need, respectfully, to get into the real world.

    Comment by Richard B — 3rd July 2011 @ 5:19 pm

  805. I think there is some naughty goings ons here from negatives people because I am user from Prague and my experience for last two years has been very profitable. I mix my betting with very strong horses in the win market combine with strong place horses in either 8 or 5 horse fields where two or three place. I don’t touch 7 runner races or above 8. This may not suit all people but it has and continue to works well for me. I make around 2,000 euros a month from my betting work and sometimes more. Anyone who can not use the equitrack system to make money I do not believe are honest in what they saying.

    Comment by Jacub — 3rd July 2011 @ 6:23 pm

  806. Yes Richard I saw those posts, but people questioned whether they were legit. I am sure your were aware of most of those post when you threatened legal action. Also I can’t remember those people actually saying they were making a profit. How can you go from threatening legal action to singing their praises ? That looks very suspecious to the skeptic. Anyway I am not bothered about that. Look, skipper said he was selling a copy of the software to the highest bidder, in my eyes that is an auction and as far as I am aware you start as low as you can. Currently there is Jay and I bidding and I am the highest bidder at £25, so I would thank you to keep your nose out. I have asked skipper if he has a reserve price but as far a I can see he will give it to the highest bidder, currently me. I have a figure I will go to but why should I go higher than I have to to win the auction. Just because you don’t like it ?

    Comment by Richard — 3rd July 2011 @ 7:11 pm

  807. Richard I must apologise for my tone I have just re read my post, there was need need for that. I must also apologise to Equinex what other people say is up to them if they choose not to believe certain things that is up to them. I will keep my opinions to myself and I will stick to facts. It is true I am after a cheap copy.

    Comment by Richard — 3rd July 2011 @ 9:10 pm

  808. I’m entitled to my opinion Richard and it is that these are crazy bids for a system
    which has worked well for me now for 2 months. I’m
    just saying your bids are not realistic.
    Do you believe everything you read Richard? People on here say that the positive posts aren’t legit and you automatically believe that?
    And why would they come on here and put up positive posts if they weren’t making good profits?
    You may believe there is something dubious about going from threatening legal action to ‘singing praises’ as you call it, if you wish, but to go to making a lot of money is good enough reason for me

    Comment by Richard — 4th July 2011 @ 2:04 am

  809. Your apology us accepted Richard but I’m curious. Should I continue threatening legal action? Might have a weak case considering my turn around in fortunes.
    I making no sense at all as to how you see this as skeptical

    Comment by Richard B — 4th July 2011 @ 2:48 am

  810. You sure are entitled to your opinion Richard. But the Market will decide whether or not my bids are stupid, I am still the highest bidder. Also profits are relative you may be happy with your returns but the next man may not. There is also a matter of risk, we don’t know the level of risk you are taking etc.

    Comment by Richard — 4th July 2011 @ 10:26 pm

  811. Richard, as all profits are relative, how much do you expect to earn for your £25 investment?

    Comment by Steven — 5th July 2011 @ 9:14 am

  812. None from £25. The same profit as Equinex state on their website for risking £100 level stakes. Look the guy is selling to the highest bidder and that is still me as far as o can see. Do I expect to pay that for it, I dunno , but if that is what the Market dictates , then so be it

    Comment by Richard — 5th July 2011 @ 12:59 pm

  813. There are Lies, Damned Lies, and Equinex’s declared profits.

    Think about it!

    Comment by Anon — 5th July 2011 @ 3:13 pm

  814. Anon that dies not make sense can you eloborate ?

    Comment by Richard — 5th July 2011 @ 3:23 pm

  815. Jacub Thanks for the insight, I have only just seen your post 2000 euros is around £1600 ish I believe. Equinex’s results from their website show profits of atoms £5000. Is there any reason why you cannot match their results? You see if you have to spend every afternoon in front of your computer to make your £1600 it really isn’t that good, for me personally my time is worth a lot more especially if I would have to pay £5000 for the software plus investment capital. If there returns you highlight do not require time stuck in front of a computer then yesterday it would be a reasonable return. However I am still the highest bidder so I may get mine for £25 🙂

    Comment by Richard — 6th July 2011 @ 11:47 am

  816. Would you mind sharing your stakes Jacub ?

    Comment by Richard — 6th July 2011 @ 11:51 am

  817. Jacub, Please contact me at jd94698@gmail.com I have something I wish to discuss with you.

    I’ll bid £30, there you go Richard you are no longer the highest bidder.

    Skipper please contact me also

    Thanks

    Jay

    Comment by Jay — 6th July 2011 @ 3:48 pm

  818. I would be delighted to double my profits with a second system so my bid is £1000

    Comment by Richard B — 6th July 2011 @ 6:13 pm

  819. Hi. I am prepared to make a serious offer to anyone wishing to sell the software – please contact me at paul.m@live.co.uk or call
    07967 060032. thanks, Paul

    Comment by paul — 6th July 2011 @ 8:25 pm

  820. Excuse my ignorance. Apparently only a second betfair account is needed and an exchange apparatus.
    I withdraw my offer, but to any newcomer its worth it!
    Week 8 is shaping up very nicely guys

    Comment by Richard B — 6th July 2011 @ 10:20 pm

  821. 1 WILL PAY £100 CASH TODAY FOR THE SOFTWARE LICENSE TRANSFER

    Hi, I am looking to make a quick purchase over the next week from someone who owns the software license. I don’t necessarily need the cd software itself (if you have lost it) but will need verifiction that the license belongs to you and that you can transfer it to me. I have spoken with equinex and they are happy to be intermidiaries for the payment I make and to confirm to me tht you do indeed own the software so I don’t get conned. So, there we are I offer £100 cash which is far more than the £25 which has been on here for ages and not taken up by anyone. So if any of you people posting negative stuff on here are genuinely unhappy and wish to sell your license then email me immediately to make the sale. I am happy to give my phone number by email if you contact me but do not want to post it because I will get spammers sending me junk texts etc. I am also happy to privately give it to admin.
    Ryan

    Comment by Ryan — 7th July 2011 @ 11:00 am

  822. Oops forgot to addmy email address to post 821 and it is ryann042@gmail.com and I would of course prefer the software cd but I intend to pay for the ratings each month which costs around £82 by credit card and I just need the license to do this (as long as equinex don’t insist I get the cd too otherwise I will need that). I understand that inputting the data myself would take hours daily and I have no time to do this. So once again that’s £100 CASH THIS WEEK OR NEXT to any genuine owner of the license wishing to sell his or her copy.

    Comment by Ryan — 7th July 2011 @ 11:11 am

  823. Ryan,

    Just to be clear, you will need the VSR CD, USB security dongle and a signed, addressed bill of sale or letter from the original owner as proof of ownership.

    BTW you might also want the Operators Manual.

    Comment by Steven — 7th July 2011 @ 8:56 pm

  824. I am Richard B’s brother-in-law based in Belfast.
    I bought the system several months after Richard and similar to him I have been making excellent profits for the past 2 months.
    Totally recommend Equinex to anyone interested.

    Comment by David F — 8th July 2011 @ 4:26 pm

  825. Hi David F

    Welcome to this forum.

    First of all can I say that I have not read this blog for several weeks. As I can see some opinions have dramatically changed.

    I am very pleased to hear from you that you have been making excellent profits for the past 2 months.

    As you say you bought the system several months after Richard B, who
    I understand bought the system many, many months ago, I would be interested to hear from you about your early experiences using this system ie profits/losses, but more so, how you managed to overcome your initial frustration with the system to start making excellent profits?

    Maybe there is something that I’m not aware about and I am now considering that if you and your brother-in-law eventually managed to gain financial success from this system, I could possibly do the same.

    Richard B has my e-mail address so if there is anything confidential you could e-mail me.

    Before I talk to Steven I would much appreciate your comments.

    My Regards,

    Comment by Myron — 12th July 2011 @ 3:30 pm

  826. Hi Myron,
    I have lost your e mail address. E mails I sent a few months ago you didn’t respond to and I just thought you had moved on.
    David’s experiences mirror mine really and I have detailed what has happened on this blog, namely, that it is working for me. You can read what I’ve written.
    I’ve nothing to add really and you know about the confidentiality agreement

    Comment by Richard B — 12th July 2011 @ 7:21 pm

  827. Hi Richard B

    Thanks for your unexpected response. My question was aimed at your brother-in-law David F. Do I assume that you have replied on David’s behalf?

    Regardless, seems very strange that BOTH of you had VERY BAD RESULTS from this Equinex system, as you have detailed in your previous comments on this forum, and now miracuously, you BOTH are showing excellent results!

    Can you give any indications for the wonderful u-turn?

    As you have lost my e-mail address I will now say hello to you again by e-mail.

    Regards

    Myron

    Comment by Myron — 13th July 2011 @ 6:03 pm

  828. My brother-in-law isn’t really into blogging Myron.
    The ‘wonderful u turn’ is easily explained.
    With a reasonable approach we asked Steven for his help.

    Comment by Richard B — 13th July 2011 @ 9:47 pm

  829. This is a weird blog. Richard would it not have been better to ask for help 18 months ago ? Did your brother in law have the same problem with the graphs ? Myron I have read some of your posts, I take it you had problems with the graphs to ? I’ve read other people have also had trouble. It seems from the outside looking in that alot of people have trouble with the graphs, yet only Richard and his brother in law have access to another system. Richard did your brother in law have to threaten legal action to get help also ?

    Myron are you looking to sell your copy ?

    Comment by Richard — 13th July 2011 @ 10:36 pm

  830. Hi Richard,

    As I have no confidence in the Equinex system, my copy of their software is of no use to me. I have the complete VSR CD, USB Security dongle and Operators manual. All that is missing is the Crystal Ball and the ability to back winners after the race has finished.

    Comment by Myron — 14th July 2011 @ 9:57 am

  831. Ha ha Myron I think we would like a crystal ball when it comes to horse racing. Maybe that is the missing link. I do feel this us a strange blog people threatening legal action then becomming fans. Steven from Equinex seemed to be in here daily promoting his product etc yet I have not seen a post from him in a while, maybe they have stopped advertising ? Do you still get the Equinex ratings via their data entery service ? Have you never made any money with this system ?

    Comment by Richard — 15th July 2011 @ 11:16 am

  832. Hi Richard,

    As I implied in my #830 I no longer subscribe to Equinex’s VSR ratings and during my 6 months use of such a system I lost plenty of money.
    Based on my experience I would not advise anybody to waste money on their system.

    Comment by Myron — 15th July 2011 @ 1:57 pm

  833. Thank you Myron, I must commend you on not selling it on because your in your experience it doesn’t work. It takes a lot of integrity not to mention honesty not to sell this on because you know through experience it doesn’t work. That was my fear that is way I was after a cheap copy. Thank you for being so honest.

    Comment by Richard — 15th July 2011 @ 4:57 pm

  834. Richard,
    What part of ‘I’ve got it working and am making good money’ don’t you understand or find strange?
    Only thing I find strange is your reaction.

    Comment by Richard B — 15th July 2011 @ 7:49 pm

  835. I don’t understand any if it Richard, loads of people including yourself say they can’t make the system they sell work. Then you have another system which you say works. It’s all a bit wired if you ask me. Myron could have sold me his copy but he won’t because he says it doesn’t work. I thank him for not taking my money and running. Thanks again Myron for that. To be completely frank Richard you seem a but flaky threatening legal action one minute then the next you are claiming profits. All a bit weird.

    Comment by Richard — 16th July 2011 @ 12:11 pm

  836. Richard,
    Do you have any idea how idiotic you are sounding?
    Is it your normal practice to threaten legal action, find your situation had turned around where you no longer need to take that course but carry on anyway?
    Are you advising me to continue with my threat?
    Listen to yourself!!

    Comment by Richard B — 16th July 2011 @ 1:15 pm

  837. Ok I will explain this again for slow learners in a summarised form. Can’t believe something so simple can be misunderstood or be found strange.
    The original system did not work for me, the reason I have never discovered, possibly videocard. My service provider did discover a fault but concluded it was outside their remit after tests were done. This may have went on for a long time but I did give up for a long period.
    I decided in the spring to have one last go or try and recover the cost of the software.
    I was offered an alternative to bypass the technical difficulties and it’s been working for 9 weeks now, making a fabulous return.
    Sorry guys I can’t explain that in more simple terms.

    Comment by Richard B — 16th July 2011 @ 1:39 pm

  838. So why did you threaten legal action ?

    Let’s get this right. You couldn’t get the system that they are selling to work so you gave up and threatened legal action ? You then althought threatening legal action decided to give it another go and it suddenly worked ? You change your mind more than my wife.

    You are now saying you are making fantastic returns ? But you won’t elaborate. For all know you could be using a loss recovery system where you keep adding your losses onto your next bet and end up having to stake £2000 to possibly win £100. I know that sounds stupid but there are systems like that about. It is all too weird to me, as for sounding stupid you should listen to yourself before you throw that stone. One thing is for sire I won’t be paying 5k to see .

    Comment by Richard — 16th July 2011 @ 2:41 pm

  839. You know a lot of these answers are common sense.
    I threatened legal action because yes I couldn’t get it to work. Dear dear me!
    I was then offered an alternative and I decided to give that a go.
    This is not rocket science.
    How can I elaborate on how I am making money when there is a confidentiality agreement? For goodsake use your head man

    Comment by Richard B — 16th July 2011 @ 4:31 pm

  840. I’m curious Richard. Why if you aren’t at all interest do you waste your time on this blog? Makes about as much sense as your comments and questions to be frank.

    Comment by Richard B — 16th July 2011 @ 4:35 pm

  841. It doesn’t work threaten legal action and then you are given an alternative which works ? Why didn’t you seek an alternative before issuing threats of legal action? Weird ! So I take it you concer with Myron and others that thevststem the actually sell does not work ? Funny you blame some sort of Internet problem for it not working, am I supposed to believe that everyone else has the same problem, including your brother in law ? Again weird !
    I was interested when I found this blog as I was looking for a ratings provider but that is all I wanted do I asked if it was possible to subscribe to the ratings without being a member. The answer was no so I then tried to buy a second hand copy. I would have maybe paid a hundred or do but not £5000 and I now have no intention of paying £5000 to find out this system you are using is some sort of progressive staking plan system I outlined below. I pop back to see if there are any copies available but even though Myron could have sold me his he didn’t because he believes it to be worthless, now that has killed my interest. But I am still interested to read the posts here especially your amazing u turn from legal action to fan. You are either very flaky or very stupid.

    Comment by Richard — 16th July 2011 @ 6:48 pm

  842. The only person who is saying I am on a ‘progressive staking plan’ is you. I haven’t said that here.
    No answer to my question over what I should do next so I’ll just assume that advice is to go back to taking legal action.
    Sorry for being flaky or stupid and deciding to make good profits instead but thanks for your sound advice anyway! LOL

    Comment by Richard B — 16th July 2011 @ 7:07 pm

  843. Why didn’t you seek an alternative before threatening legal action ? Wouldn’t that have been a reasonable thing to do ?

    I never said you were using a progressive staking plan. I said for all I know you could be, but after your last statment I now suspect you could be. I’m sorry Richard I think my last few blogs came off the press a little wonkey. I still feel it is all a bit weird, but it is a weird world. Good luck with whatever system you are using. It’s all a bit weird for me..

    Comment by Richard — 16th July 2011 @ 10:16 pm

  844. From reading your post 841 you seemed to be saying I was on this staking plan, maybe I got that wrong.
    I was offered an alternative before threatening legal action Richard but I just wanted the graghs working.
    It may seem strange that I considered it after threatening legal action but that’s how it happened. I was promised good profits and sometimes you have to extinguish all hope before moving on.
    It turned out that it was worth considering the offer and I am pleased with the profits now. Something working consistently well for 9 weeks? I’ve no regrets. What does surprise me is that no one else here thinks that’s worth investigating.

    Comment by Richard B — 16th July 2011 @ 11:18 pm

  845. Hi Richard B,

    To me you sound as an honest person. I am not delving into your threat of legal action, but I agree with your #844 and I think that your new method is worth investigating.

    What I understand is that you concur that the place method, the method that you, I and others purchased from Equinex, which required interpreting graphs is somewhat ambiguous, unworkable and in the past, using that method, had lost you and others a lot of money.

    However, you are now utilising a different method in reading and using the ratings without the need of interpreting the ambiguous graphs. I also understand, and please correct me if I am wrong, that once you have analysed the ratings, you can place bets without having to wait for the ‘one minute before the off’. This sounds great to me and hence I am taking your advice and would like to investigate further into this new method.

    I would appreciate if you could provide more detailed information.

    Kind regards,

    Comment by Myron — 17th July 2011 @ 3:45 pm

  846. Hi Myron,
    Your posting makes a lot more sense that what has been written here in the last few days.
    I accept that there is ambiguity in the graghs. How much of that ambiguity was being caused by other factors such as delays caused by videocard fault I will never know. I still find it strange that my brother-in-law seemed to have the same problem and there is a common trait on this blog that the graghs cause problems to more than just us.
    But to be fair to Equinex Myron they have in many ways solved that situation by by-passing the problem for those that encounter it and we have no evidence that everyone is everyone is having the problem. It stands to reason that if you buy something and it works you don’t go looking for a blog.
    As previously stated here Myron I cannot give more detailed information. The reasons for this are obvious. It is a public blog and I have signed a confidentiality agreement. I’m sure you will accept that having paid £5000 for a system I am not prepared to give details about it to Joe Bloggs.
    It is really Equinex you need to be speaking to. Good luck with it.

    Comment by Richard B — 17th July 2011 @ 4:06 pm

  847. Richard B,

    Thanks for your reply.

    Just one comment, I can not work out whom you are referring to when you say WE in “and we have no evidence that everyone is everyone is having the problem.”

    Can you please explain.

    Comment by Myron — 18th July 2011 @ 9:52 am

  848. By ‘we’ I mean those customers who have had difficulty with the graghs.

    Comment by Richard B — 18th July 2011 @ 1:56 pm

  849. Richard B

    Now I understand!

    But it is obvious that ‘those customers who have had difficulty with the graghs.’, as you put it, ‘have no evidence that everyone is everyone is having the problem. It stands to reason that’ only Equinex can have this evidence!

    Initially I thought that ‘we’ meant YOU and EQUINEX.

    I think you have been doing some cutting and pasting in your #846.

    I am so pleased that you have put my thoughts to rest.

    My apologies for this misinterpretation.

    Comment by Myron — 18th July 2011 @ 5:15 pm

  850. Thanks for confirming you are using a progressive staking plan Richard. Even though you don’t know you did it. In the words of the dragons this is not for me I’m out .

    Comment by Richard — 23rd July 2011 @ 11:55 am

  851. You do talk some bull Richard. Twisting my words dosn’t prove anything but guess all you like I am doing well.
    You are similarly misled in thinking you can make profits like what I am now presently making by paying to get onboard for a sum like £30.
    Equinex will never accept this, and for the money I and others have paid they would be right.
    You get what you pay for so good luck with your £30.

    Comment by Richard B — 23rd July 2011 @ 2:36 pm

  852. I’m just not into crazy progressive staking plans Richard. It is all very well if you have the nerve to be £2000 down on a round before a winner comes in to win £100. If people have the nerve and finance to do that then that is great be I cannot handle the stress of that. Besides I did have the desire to follow such a plan I could just use the favourite of each race. Thanks for confirming you are using such a staking plan. I know you didn’t mean to but you did.

    Comment by Richard — 23rd July 2011 @ 3:24 pm

  853. Your £30 won’t take you far betting like that Richard.
    Betting on every favourite and you will lose your shirt too according to my enquiries.
    Don’t be putting words in my mouth, no amount of your speculating will reveal what I have paid good money for.
    If you are serious about making money invest serious money. That’s just common sense.

    Comment by Richard B — 23rd July 2011 @ 4:52 pm

  854. I have a £2000 bank for the next betting system I add to my portfollio. I don’t want to use a progressive staking plan like you are Richard because I couldn’t the monthly target profit I alot to each income stream I set up I would need a better ROI than a progressive plan could return. I don’t want to be laying out £2000 to win £100.

    Richard I don’t know why you are being so defensive about using a progressive staking plan they have been around for years and probably will be around for years to come while there are risk takers out there who enjoy the stressed which such staking plans bring. They are just not for me. You literally told me you were using a progressive staking plan and your defensive tone adds more confirmation.

    Comment by Richard — 23rd July 2011 @ 5:17 pm

  855. Keep guessing – still miles out!

    Comment by Steven — 25th July 2011 @ 10:02 am

  856. Steven,

    I cannot understand your #855

    Can you please enlighten me.

    Comment by Myron — 25th July 2011 @ 3:48 pm

  857. Why? Are you Richard?

    Comment by Steven — 25th July 2011 @ 4:40 pm

  858. Richard? Richard who?

    Can’t you read who posted the comment?

    Ah, Steven is back with a vengance!

    Comment by Myron — 25th July 2011 @ 6:06 pm

  859. Myron,

    Aparently the graphs don’t work Richard himself could not make them work either. Alot of people have reported problems. Richard is now using a system with abprogressive staking plan but Steven is denying it. This blog is weird !

    Comment by Richard — 25th July 2011 @ 6:38 pm

  860. Steven,

    You, with your intelligence, must have noticed that I have avoided from reading and posting on this blog for several weeks.

    First of all allow me to me remind you why I started posting messages on this blog – it was because you refused to or ignored to answer my e-mails to you desperately asking you for help after purchasing your software and making massive losses. Up to date you still have not sincerely, nor adequately answered my questions. You have not even attempted to answer my most critical requests on this blog. Offers to revisit your office are purely academic.

    Now, having recently read this blog, I am compelled to refer you to your comment #689, dated 6th June 2011, where you quote:

    “The blog-link you clicked on is a freebie blogspot page set up by the same person that provided the link so don’t know how much weight you would attach to that. You might have noticed it was also referred to earlier by what I can only assume was the same guy using a different name.”

    The blog-link you refer to is without any doubt #684, posted by myself.

    In your #689 you are stating that it was I who set up your so called freebie blogspot page.

    Steven, this is a SERIOUSLY LIABELLOUS ACCUSATION. What evidence do you have to substantiate you publicly made comment?

    I believe that you understand the meaning of LIABLE, if not, please feel free to ask me, or use the advice of your Legal Eagle.

    Steven, I feel deeply OFFENDED by this written and published accusation.

    I also am offended by your comment saying, and I quote:

    “You might have noticed it was also referred to earlier by what I can only assume was the same guy using a different name.”

    What proof do you have?

    Who are you trying to discredit?

    This is now SERIOUS!

    You now have to SUBSTANTIATE you evidence for publishing these LIABELLOUS comments.

    I am awaiting your responce.

    Comment by Myron — 25th July 2011 @ 6:50 pm

  861. It is spelt LIBEL Myron, unless you are meaning something different. Also there is no’c’ in response.

    Comment by Jon — 25th July 2011 @ 9:35 pm

  862. Hi Jon,

    Thanks for your corrections,

    Regards

    Comment by Myron — 26th July 2011 @ 10:58 am

  863. Myron I’m not sure that what Steven wrote can be classed as libel. Libel must be untrue and damaging. While it may not be libel, the way Steven seems to almost attack his customers is very off putting for someone like me.

    Jon please don’t correct my grammar you will be here all week 🙂

    Comment by Richard — 26th July 2011 @ 1:10 pm

  864. Richard,

    Steven’s comments are UNTRUE and DAMAGING!

    Comment by Myron — 26th July 2011 @ 2:33 pm

  865. They may well be untrue, I wouldn’t know but I cannot see how they are damaging. If you really think that, sue him.

    Comment by Richard — 26th July 2011 @ 7:32 pm

  866. Someone
    Help me out here waht system are they using now, I cant work it out from this blog. As all the other systems have failed are they on a new one now ??

    Comment by andy b — 27th July 2011 @ 2:04 pm

  867. Hi Richard,
    No worries on that score.
    I was concerned for Myron as his incorrect spelling may have bought about a situation with him leaving himself open to a libel suit.
    I am sure that that is the last thing that he would want. The hunter becoming the hunted springs to mind

    Comment by Jon — 29th July 2011 @ 3:27 pm

  868. Sad to see this blog returning to the gutter again. Anybody got anything informative to say?

    Comment by david — 30th July 2011 @ 11:06 am

  869. Yes David for £97 look at Favourites Phenonomen. If what Richard says is true then the other Richard has been conned to the tune of £5000 plus vat. Good reviews on it

    Comment by Adam — 31st July 2011 @ 12:14 pm

  870. You are right Adam the Favourites Phenomenom uses a progressive staking plan also. It is a dangerous system because of the progressive stakes but there are cut off points and it dies get good reviews. But if you look the review are over a short period of time. I do believe however that it does show good long term profits. With such staking plans the author of Favourites Phenomenom advises a 200 point bank to be safe, so you need a large bank in relation to your TP. All in all I’m sure it is better to pay £97 than £5000 for a progressive staking system. I find it outragous that they can sell a system like that for 5k but if people buy it, who can blame them.

    Comment by Richard — 2nd August 2011 @ 1:11 pm

  871. So to answer my own question they have now moved on to yet another system. Does that mean the last one failed as well??

    Comment by andy b — 4th August 2011 @ 4:24 pm

  872. Thanks for that information Richard.
    For the small cost of this system I think I will give it a go.
    To be totally frank I have never been impressed with the posts from Steven on this blog. I think he is totally slippery and never answers questions with straight answers. He even insults his own subscribers.
    I would take a guess that the unhappy customers on here are the tip of the iceberg of how many have paid for the system and haven’t been able to make it work.
    He may have fobbed off Richard B for a while but I bet he will come a cropper.

    Comment by Adam — 5th August 2011 @ 2:51 am

  873. Adam, FP also have a piece of software that automates the entire process. It makes the selections based on the FP criteria and it places the bets so there is no need to be at your computer all day like Equinex’s requires you to be. It costs around £35 I think.

    Comment by Richard — 7th August 2011 @ 8:38 am

  874. Many thanks Richard.
    Have received a free trial from them and yes the free trial works automatically without watching all day.
    So why don’t you try it?

    Comment by Adam — 7th August 2011 @ 12:15 pm

  875. I wasn’t aware they did a trial of the software Adam. I have a copy of FP I’ll email them and see if I can get a trial of the software. Thanks Adam

    Comment by Richard — 7th August 2011 @ 1:24 pm

  876. Jon,

    With reference to your #867 you need not have any consern about my incorect speling in my previous post (860).

    I have already thancked you for your kind observations! –referr to my #862.

    I don’t know you. I don’t understanf why yuo say in #867 taht I have BOUGHT (as you put it – “bought about a situation”) a situation. I referr nothing too you! I have not Purchased any situation. What do yuo meen?

    Watever you say or imagine it is evedent that yuo understood my post –albieght it may have contaned some sppeling erors! People sumtimes do make misteaks!

    Incidently, not far from where I live, their is very nice Public House and gourment restaurant where the Ladies and Gents conveniences have been named “Hunted” and “Hunters” respectively. I’m not to sure about you, but I always, when neccesary use the “Hunters”!

    To make sure you all understand my blog 860, I am now re-posting it (with your kind corrections).

    It may be possible that this time Mr. Steven Lee Karpel will have the courtesy to respond.

    PS: Big price for you to spot my diliberate erorrs!

    Comment by Myron — 8th August 2011 @ 3:44 pm

  877. Steven,

    First of all allow me to me remind you why I started posting messages on this blog – it was because you refused to or ignored to answer my e-mails to you desperately asking you for help after purchasing your software and making massive losses. Up to date you still have not sincerely, nor adequately answered my questions. You have not even attempted to answer my most critical requests on this blog. Offers to revisit your office are purely academic.

    Now, having recently read this blog, I am compelled to refer you to your comment #689, dated 6th June 2011, where you quote:

    “The blog-link you clicked on is a freebie blogspot page set up by the same person that provided the link so don’t know how much weight you would attach to that. You might have noticed it was also referred to earlier by what I can only assume was the same guy using a different name.”

    The blog-link you refer to is without any doubt #684, posted by myself.

    In your #689 you are stating that it was I who set up your so called freebie blogspot page.

    Steven, this is a SERIOUSLY LIBELOUS ACCUSATION. What evidence do you have to substantiate you publicly made comment?

    I believe that you understand the meaning of LIBEL, if not, please feel free to ask me, or use the advice of your Legal Eagle.
    Steven, I feel deeply OFFENDED by this written and published accusation.

    I also am offended by your comment saying, and I quote:

    “You might have noticed it was also referred to earlier by what I can only assume was the same guy using a different name.”

    What proof do you have?

    Who are you trying to discredit?

    This is now SERIOUS!

    You now have to SUBSTANTIATE you evidence for publishing these LIBELOUS comments.

    I am awaiting your response.

    Comment by Myron — 8th August 2011 @ 3:47 pm

  878. Hi andy b,

    Having recently read through this blog I must agree with you that Equinex must be using a new system, which must point to the previous and all other past systems failing.

    From what I understand, the new system does not require the ambiguous interpretation of graphs, only the ability to read their ratings in a new method. My question is why we were not informed of this method during our free training?

    Their new method seems quite interesting for two reasons:

    1. No need to sit in front of computer watching ambiguous graphs
    2. Richard B’s success in using this new method

    What are your views?

    PS: I have spell-checked this comment and the spell check prompts for an upper case ‘a’ for ‘andy’.

    Comment by Myron — 8th August 2011 @ 4:10 pm

  879. Myron
    the problem here is that when they where using the Mass Index system this didnt require you ro sit in front of the computer either and that failed as did the place and win system (which I bought)this also did not require sitting in front of computer.

    Comment by andy b — 8th August 2011 @ 4:43 pm

  880. You DO have to sit in front if a computer using the system Richard B is using. You also have to add your losses onto the next races Target profit. It uses a progressive staking plan.

    Comment by Richard — 8th August 2011 @ 5:20 pm

  881. andy b,

    When I bought Equinex’s software their Mass Index system was, as I was informed, at that time being developed and would be a great benefit to their system. I have read brief comments in this blog in mid 2010 praising this system – but to no avail! I am not sure, as I not longer donate monies to Equinex, if it is now being used or relied on, but during the time that I subscribed to Equinex, the MS system did not appear to work. Probably just another gimmick.

    Richard,

    Let’s allow Richard B or Steven to explain more about the new system! In my opinion analysing ratings without the ambiguities of graphs can be performed before racing commences.

    Comment by Myron — 8th August 2011 @ 6:55 pm

  882. Correction to #881!

    The MI system did not appear to work.

    Comment by Myron — 8th August 2011 @ 7:12 pm

  883. Myron Not when you have to rely on live odds.

    Comment by Richard — 8th August 2011 @ 7:34 pm

  884. Hi Richard,

    Following on from your comment #863 where you say:

    “Myron I’m not sure that what Steven wrote can be classed as libel. Libel must be untrue and damaging.”

    I have been doing further research. First of all I admit that I am no expert in the legal definition of LIBEL, but I have been advised that:

    In a libel action, the plaintiff must prove three elements of the tort of libel:

    1. The statement has been made to a third party.
    2. The statement referred to the plaintiff. (This does not mean that the statement has to refer expressly to the plaintiff. A statement can be actionable if it is reasonably capable of referring to the plaintiff).
    3. The statement must be defamatory, which means that it must be a false statement to the plaintiff’s discredit.

    In my opinion Steven’s comment(s) satisfy all the above three elements.

    Then in your #865 you say:

    “If you really think that, sue him.”

    Richard, I would first of all prefer for Steven to:

    Either
    Provide proof supporting his comment(s)
    Or
    Publicly admit his error and apologise.

    Regardless, if I sued Equinex and won my case, would Equinex be able to pay any damages awarded to me, if any?

    Can I direct you to read

    http://www.companycheck.co.uk/company/03621135

    where you will see a Company Check on Equinex’s Net Worth. I accept that the above link only covers accounts upto 2009, but I also have their 2010 accounts.

    All of this information is publically available on the internet via Companies House.

    Comment by Myron — 8th August 2011 @ 8:03 pm

  885. Very interesting Myron, that may explain how they have traded for so long, it would seem that Equinex doesn’t actually sell the software. Maybe someone could comfirm ?

    As the statement you refer to was made by Steven, would you not have to sue him personally rather than his company ? I’ll be honest I still don’t think you have a case but I’m no expert. One thing is certain, the way Steven has alianated his past customers does not look good in my opinion.

    Comment by Richard — 8th August 2011 @ 10:12 pm

  886. Fascinating info Myron. So what are the 2010 figures?
    Don’t they have another trading name Sports Leisure?
    These figures don’t add up. Their published profits are suggesting they have no customers.
    But then maybe that does figure!

    Comment by Adam — 9th August 2011 @ 3:34 am

  887. Hi Adam,

    I agree with you that their figures do not add up. Look on the bright side, their Net Worth graph is definitely, without any ambiguity, trendig downwards with no tail end up. Must be a winner!

    Comment by Myron — 9th August 2011 @ 4:06 pm

  888. Hi Richard,

    As I have previously stated, I would first of all prefer that Steven:

    Either:
    Provided substantiating evidence supporting his comment(s)
    Or:
    Publicly admitted his errors and apologised.

    He has the opportunity to action either of these two options on this forum!

    Comment by Myron — 9th August 2011 @ 4:30 pm

  889. Jon,

    Before you comment, my #887 should have been typed as:”trending downwards” instead of “trendig downwards”.
    My apologies!

    Comment by Myron — 9th August 2011 @ 4:38 pm

  890. Myron it is clear Steven has no intention of apologising or providing any proof. What are you going to do ? It is also clear he sees your threats as empty, he knows you have no grounds to sue.

    Comment by Richard — 10th August 2011 @ 9:12 am

  891. I hear on the grapevine as well Richard he won’t be contributing to this blog again. No longer selling the system so why care what’s said?
    He told a recent person on a trial that.
    Profit share with existing customers is the direction he is taking.
    Hope for their sake there are profits to share.
    I think it’s going down the swanney!
    He has lost the battle on this blog

    Comment by Adam — 10th August 2011 @ 10:09 am

  892. I didn’t know there was a battle going on Adam ? One or two unhappy customers is normal but this blog is full of unhappy customers, most of which report the same problems. I myself can inks deduce that therefore the system is flawed. God knows halos a profit share would work because it seems people just lose money with this, would they share in the loses to ? I think not.

    After Reading thus blog there is no way I would get involved with Equinex and I assume others Reading wouldn’t either, therefore it would be pretty unsustainable to keep advertising only for interested parties to find this blog and then, well basically lose interest. I’m sure ifbit worked like they said there would be no bad publicity.

    If you read right back over a year or so you will find a post regarding other similar businesses invthe past which Steven was involved with and from what I read they also left a lot of their customers hanging. The real sad thing here is that so manynpeople got taken in, I’m lucky I never, thanks to this blog.

    Comment by Richard — 10th August 2011 @ 11:52 am

  893. The battle between Steven and his unhappy customers and God knows there’s plenty of them.
    He has gave up because obviously people are being put off by this blog.
    If the thing actually worked his life might be easier

    Comment by Adam — 10th August 2011 @ 5:13 pm

  894. Myron it doesn’t look like Steven is taking your threat seriously. What are you going to do now he has called your bluff by ignoring you ?

    Comment by Richard — 12th August 2011 @ 8:58 am

  895. Just been reading back Myron. Its a refund you need to be suing for.
    I hear from someone who went on the trial that Equinex are e-mailing out saying no more systems are being sold and they are making the graghs automatic where you ‘don’t have to sit at a computer all day’. I bet this is a sales technique now Steven knows this blog is against him too much

    Comment by Adam — 12th August 2011 @ 6:47 pm

  896. What you going to do Myron ?

    Comment by Richard — 16th August 2011 @ 5:21 pm

  897. It looks like Steven has given up trying to mask his con any longer. It is my guess he has stopped advertising this system because nobody was buying it after reading what he has done to his previous customers. Like all con men I am sure he is working on his next sting so people always be aware of anything involving Mr Steven Karpel.

    Comment by Ian — 4th September 2011 @ 2:30 pm

  898. I have just re read my last post. Maybe I was a little harsh calling this a con maybe a deception would be a better description. Either way it is just my personal opinion

    Comment by Ian — 4th September 2011 @ 10:00 pm

  899. Ian,
    There are a few things puzzling me.
    Clearly he has gave up defending his business activities on this blog.
    Information I received from someone doing a trial is that he is automating his system and is not selling new systems. He sent an e-mail out offering people a last chance to come onboard.
    This is what is puzzling me. If it dosn’t work how could he automate it and maintain an income without a steady stream of new customers and maintain an office and employees?
    Food for thought

    Comment by Adam — 6th September 2011 @ 8:56 am

  900. Nothing to add, just wanted to claim number 900!!

    Comment by Jon — 7th September 2011 @ 12:31 pm

  901. That’s about as informative, constructive and helpful as any of your previous posts Jon!

    Comment by Adam — 9th September 2011 @ 1:09 am

  902. Cheers for that Adamski…….. The good thing about all of my blogs though is that they are all turthful and written under my own name, and not as somebody else….. Not many others can make the same claim.
    Too many ‘Nom De Plume’s’ on here 🙂

    Comment by Jon — 9th September 2011 @ 9:44 am

  903. Turthful? Spelling correction before I get hauled over the coals…. Of course I meant ‘Truthful’:-)

    Comment by Jon — 9th September 2011 @ 10:00 am

  904. Leaving aside peoples right to anonymity your actual contributions to this blog are not helpful.
    You don’t offer anything constructive by way of your experiences with Equinex.
    Reading back you offer to help people and then don’t follow through.
    Small wonder people speculate in the past that you work for Equinex because that’s pretty much what they offer too.

    Comment by Adam — 9th September 2011 @ 10:58 am

  905. Oh dear Adamski, quite a coincidence that all positive contributors use their real names whilst some negative contributors seem to use their ‘right to anonymity’ as you put it.
    And, unless you have hacked into my e mail account and/or mobile phone, you will have no idea as to whom i have offered or provided help.
    Feel free to respond as I would like to claim blog 1,000 as well 🙂

    Comment by Jon — 10th September 2011 @ 12:06 pm

  906. Jon how do you know who is using their actual name or a blog username ? Either way it doesn’t matter what people call themselves, what matters is their experience with this company. So what if people choose a username, the way you are talking suggests you know that these posters are using blog usernames and not their actual names. This suggest to that you have access to Equinex’s customers past and present data base which would back up Adam’s claim that you have something to do with Equinex, maybe you are actually Steven.

    Comment by Richard — 10th September 2011 @ 1:01 pm

  907. Richard,
    As i have already said all that I want to do is get blog 1,000. Wish me liuck 🙂

    Comment by Jon — 10th September 2011 @ 9:20 pm

  908. Ooooops, if I continue spelling errors that will be quite soon…… Luck not liuck

    Comment by Jon — 10th September 2011 @ 9:21 pm

  909. As you can see Richard he has as I said nothing constructive to say. Read back if you want to see more of his rubbish.
    He claims somewhere to be doing well through Equinex but never even tries to substantiate any of his claims.
    Much like Steven, empty rhetoric with no substance. A d**k h**d in fact!
    On to more important points, I wonder will anyone come on and praise Equinex’s upcoming automated system. Since nothing else they have sold works it will be an innovation if this one does!!

    Comment by Adam — 12th September 2011 @ 10:04 am

  910. Adamski,
    I have posted many constructive blogs in the past, but each and every time they get shot down. Therefore I fail to the point of posting anything constructive any more. That is unless anybody, including you, gets the idea out of their head that all of the Equinex set up is nothing but a conspiracy.

    What would be interesting is if we could get further feedback from a previous contributor as to how he is progressing? I remember another Richard saying that he was having some success with the system. Any chance of an update please? But dont make it too positive as the ‘negative crew’ wont belive you!

    Happy Days

    Comment by Jon — 13th September 2011 @ 12:25 pm

  911. I have never used a nome de plume and have put my telephone number on here more than once, even emailed steven recently (no reply,and im’e a fully paid up member).Never made a penny out of equinex’s system though as as soon as you win some you always lose the lot plus more. And of course you always get the blame for deviating fromm the system or your computer is to slow for the graphs. The mass index system required none of these and that also failed. What system are you using now jon, last time we spoke it was mass index. I doubt that I will ever get any money back from steven or barry but I am happy that putting my number on here has stopped other people making the same mistake as me 5 so far. If you are reading these for the first time scroll back for my number and please feel free to call ( preferably Sat afternoon).

    Comment by andy birch — 13th September 2011 @ 1:42 pm

  912. I’m afraid my experiences with Equinex mirror what others have written here but here goes.
    I started with the graghs and found it impossible to get close to Equinex results. Any weeks I did do well were soon followed by losing weeks which usually swallowed up previous profits and eventually required more funds to keep going.
    Steven or Barrys response was to move me on to something else, roll over dutching was the second choice. Went well for a while then a huge loss which wiped out weeks of profit. Excuses followed, it had never happened before or the weather was blamed.
    Next I was moved on to football! This never worked either.
    All the while I am being strung along I’m expected to pay continued subscription fees.
    I strongly advise people to steer clear of this con.

    Comment by David Smith — 13th September 2011 @ 5:27 pm

  913. Jon,
    Are you able to make money from these ratings?
    You deserve a knighthood if you can. I never got ahead even sticking rigidly to their rules.
    Please elaborate on how you can make this work. I’ve spent the best part of a year getting nowhere and am down about £6000

    Comment by David Smith — 14th September 2011 @ 12:01 pm

  914. I suspect Richard has blown his bank by now. The very nature of progressive staking plans is that they can return short term profits but they always come back to bite you in the bum as the losses are massive, especially without a sensible stop loss.

    Comment by Richard — 16th September 2011 @ 7:04 pm

  915. Jon,

    I wish you luck to get to blog 1000 (as you ask for in your 907), however, you will need to help yourself and post more blogs!

    How about an answer to David Smith’s 913? This should increase the blog count by several numbers towards your 1000!

    Comment by Myron — 12th October 2011 @ 4:32 pm

  916. In his quest to reach 1000 Myron be sure you won’t receive posts which enlighten us any on the virtues of Equinex going by past form.
    None defending them anymore I note with interest. I wonder has the ‘do well for a while then get stung big time’, come home to roost?

    Comment by Adam — 15th October 2011 @ 2:17 pm

  917. Trialing “New System” does this mean that the old one whichever it is now, failed as usuall.

    Comment by andy birch — 19th November 2011 @ 3:12 pm

  918. Not only does Steven not leave comments on here any more he also will not answer emails I have sent himm directly. He claims to have told me why the place and win system was replaced (it didnt work )but has failed to produce anything that he says he has already told me!

    Comment by andy birch — 19th November 2011 @ 3:15 pm

  919. Andy,
    Full marks for persistence you look like you go back years with your refund request but don’t you think the legal route might be simpler?

    Jon,
    It’s nothing new for an Equinex system to do well for a while then get stung, this blog is full of those reports, so saying it is going well means nothing. Although, your report is not accurate as I heard their new system has not been doing well. But then my source is not on the Equinex payroll!!

    Comment by Adam — 24th November 2011 @ 3:16 am

  920. I have heard that the software that automated the place system. The system that Equinex say has made over 60k per year and has never had a losing month. As soon as they automated it, it had s losing month. I have heard that it is failing quite dramatically. Very strange how it would suddenly start to lose as soon as it were automated. It would seem it is much more difficult to pick the right horses before the race. Something is very wrong here. I for one very glad I never got involved.

    Comment by Richard — 2nd December 2011 @ 6:49 pm

  921. Any updates then on the new automated system?
    I’m hearing that all’s not well and they had to revise the entire thing it was losing so much.
    Goes to prove how much of a con it is, and how much ‘cooking’ was done with the graghs.
    All that I hear convinces me that Steven and Equinex play for time and offer false hopes. All the while you are expected to subscribe to a system which all but a few (probably employee’s or false names)lose at time after time.

    Comment by Adam — 30th December 2011 @ 1:31 pm

  922. Why,why,why is there new systems when all the others won so much so CONsistently ???????????????????????????????????

    Comment by CONNED — 31st December 2011 @ 9:32 am

  923. Hi Jon, which system are you using now? The original VSR, the VSR-X, the latest update, what! If the original VSR was making so much money for the members, then why not keep using it? If any body wants to buy this system(s) then let the buyer beware, CAVEAT EMPTOR. The only guarantees are that you have is you will be a few thousand pound down before you make another investment (bet) and EQUINEX will get some more subscription out of you and they will make commision on your bets with Betfair if they set up your account Nice work if you can tease the money out of the punters pocket. If I’m wrong then I’m sure Steven or Jon will tell me that I won’t go to heaven for being sure a disbeliever.

    Comment by CONNED — 2nd January 2012 @ 3:54 pm

  924. Is the latest update available? According to Equinex’s web site, they “anticipate this work will be completed by summer 2012 so, watch this space!”

    Yet another CON. Look at their accounts, they cannot ‘afford’ six months development work. Their daily ‘Profits Screen’ has now been withdrawn from public display. Looks like they got tired of picking winners after the race.

    CONNED, nice to see you back on this forum. I only wish I read your comments before I got fooled by Steve and his Con Trick into losing thousands of pounds. Hopefully any new enquirers will be more cautious and aware after reading this blog!

    Regardless, can I wish all the CONNED a belated Happy New Year!

    Comment by Myron — 9th January 2012 @ 5:06 pm

  925. Happy New Year to you too Myron.
    I see ‘Jon’ is keeping his head down and doing his best not to defend the indefensible.
    The evidence against Equinex appears to be mounting and I would predict 2012 will see their demise.

    Comment by Adam — 9th January 2012 @ 7:10 pm

  926. I would seem obvious to me what has gone here.

    Equinex had a system which relied on interpretation of some graphs etc. The problem was the graphs were difficult to judge. People go different results because the graphs were not clear.

    Equinex had great results, why was this…. because they picked the horses the next day and published them on their website. When people questioned their results they told their clients that they must be selecting the wrong results, they could do this because the graphs were ambiguous. This was great for equinex as they could hide behind it.

    However they never picked their horses until after the race. This blog got active with their clients voicing their concerns about Equinex’s activities. Steven tried to make up his excuses but he had been found out big time and I feel the negative post on here affected their business as people got warned about the “scam”.

    Amazing how as soon as Equinex produce a bot to make the selections at the time of the race and they therefore have nothing to hide behind, it loses money. What they have done is basically proved that their system has never worked nor will it ever work.

    Companies like Equinex really are a disgrace and the people who operate such companies should be banged up in the slammer because they know what they are doing.

    Equinex you are disgusting

    Comment by Jayson — 10th January 2012 @ 3:04 pm

  927. iBet…….What have we got here, it is a bot? Well … iBet that this will guarantee equinex ntl £100 for a standard subscription… iBet that there will be excuses from equinex that people are not using it properly… ibet that oooooooooooooo make it up yourselves. Oh… a bot is something we sit on and we all know what comes out of our bot, don’t we.

    Comment by ben jones — 20th January 2012 @ 11:41 am

  928. Yes it is disgusting and some desperate people have lost their life savings, to similar companies,believing the ads in papers like the Mail and Times. These people may have been redundant at the time and were desparate for break which made them vulnerable at that time. You know it is probably a con but you convince yourself that it is your only chance to make a living. But this is the UK and the law does not protect you against scams of this sort.

    Comment by Ted — 20th January 2012 @ 5:20 pm

  929. Ibet it’s a con 🙂 I don’t know how these people sleep at night.

    Comment by Richard — 27th January 2012 @ 10:50 am

  930. By believing that making money is what business is about Richard.
    ‘Business is business’ they would say, and forget about right and wrong.
    Ted is right, in a recession people get made redundant and Equinex have tapped into that vulnerability. There is a human cost to Equinex’s scam activities.
    Be reassured though that this blog is very high in the search engine
    and Steven can advertise all he likes but most people do do their research and will see all of what we write. Apart from anything else I don’t see Equinex surviving much longer. New business is the life blood of any business and this blog has been very damaging to them.
    Steven dosn’t even try and defend Equinex here now. What does that tell you?

    Comment by Adam — 27th January 2012 @ 3:11 pm

  931. We have all slagged Equinex off on this forum and come to the conclusion that it does not make a profit, unless you are Steve, Barry or Jon.
    Does anyone know of any systems that do work. Ie trading systems,. I have been looking at BetAngel . I did use Betie for a while and they disappeared with £1k of my bank. I used Betie for a couple of years for trading without success as I obviously had to work and was not available during race times. They then offered an automated system which failed and as usual it was always the users fault. Ie phone line dropping,slow computer etc. They then offered to run the bank for you, as I had used their system for 2 years and their
    customer service was good I decided to send them my bank.
    However the two people running the system parted and things went downhill. Anyway to cut a lonstory short they dissapeared and did not answere my emails etc. I paid via pay pal but the guy Nessie as he was known has changed his Pay pal name when I checked back on the transaction.The original payee used his name which I cant remember
    and when I accessed my account the name had been deleted and Betting profit software substituted. I know the guy lives in Hebden Bridge if I had a name I could trace him through electoral lists etc. I know they are selling another system now dont know what it is called though.

    Comment by John — 27th January 2012 @ 6:09 pm

  932. 932 Looks like this thread will not get to a 1000. The thread seems to have fizzled out. Does anyone know how the new Equinex system is working out, perhaps Steve or Jon or Barry could tell us all. Come on Steve don’t be shy.

    Comment by Bas — 1st February 2012 @ 10:30 am

  933. If it were working ( highly unlikely ) I’m sure Steven would be here telling you so.

    Comment by Richard — 4th February 2012 @ 10:11 am

  934. He has given up here. Turning his attention to conning his remaining customers with another system that offers hope then failure.

    Comment by Adam — 5th February 2012 @ 2:47 pm

  935. Adam you seem to know a lot of inside info, are you a customer ?

    Comment by Richard — 5th February 2012 @ 9:11 pm

  936. Almost Richard!
    A close friend bought into it and got stung badly with those graghs that just about everyone failed with.
    I was in contact by e mail with a guy who was using this new automated system that Equinex introduced. It failed spectacularly in November, and losing again he had enough.
    For anyone who wants a system that does work look at ‘Favourites Phenonomen ‘, but don’t bet your shirt on it. All these systems depend on historical analysis and that’s not any sure basis for the future.

    Comment by Adam — 6th February 2012 @ 11:19 pm

  937. I have tracked this company for nearly 5 years now and have complete details of how they work and what they do to manipulate

    Comment by Tom — 8th February 2012 @ 1:10 pm

  938. I placed a comment earlier which was removed. I wonder who is doing that as I have been following this company for 5 years now and have unearthed interesting data.

    Comment by Tom — 8th February 2012 @ 4:21 pm

  939. Tom, the moderator will remove anything which breaches Equinex’s rights over its product.
    In the case of the Equinex scam it is actually protected under the law rather than those who they conn. Immediate refunds should be obligitory for non-satisfied customers

    Comment by Adam — 10th February 2012 @ 7:18 pm

  940. Adam,
    Agreed but all I posted was a link which takes you to information which is readily available for the general public viewing anyway. I have no idea how that would contravene anything whatsoever?

    Comment by Tom — 11th February 2012 @ 8:10 pm

  941. http://companycheck.co.uk/company/03621135
    This link is readily available for public viewing so should not be removed for any reason from this site?

    Comment by Tom — 11th February 2012 @ 8:12 pm

  942. Hi Tom

    Can you elaborate on your findings about this scam operation ?

    Comment by Richard — 12th February 2012 @ 3:25 pm

  943. Scam?
    Your words not mine
    All is out there on the internet
    Just research names of individuals & sister companies from the link I posted.
    Happy hunting all of you

    Comment by Tom — 13th February 2012 @ 12:04 pm

  944. Thank you for that link Tom.
    Equinex have another trading name however, Sport Leisure Ltd.
    As far as I can see the Equinex trading account is insolvent but
    maybe the other is doing better. I know that my friend who was subscribing was paying to Sport Leisure.
    Why the need for two trading names? Tax advantages?
    One observation I would make is that your link Tom, indicates
    what I have been saying here already, that Equinex is going down.
    Steven, has gave up defending his company on this blog and I think
    everyone would agree that new business is the life blood of any
    business, therefore how can his business grow?
    A very high percentage of people look at the internet for reviews when interested in investing and this blog has been damning for Equinex largely due to so many bad experiences with them and the resulting financial loss.
    For those that have lost substantial sums, they should be gratified by their contribution on this blog, giving Steven and Equinex their just deserts.

    Comment by Adam — 13th February 2012 @ 2:47 pm

  945. What about TELEBET (UK) LTD
    companycheck.co.uk/company/03500035
    Yet another Company.

    I’m aware there was another company which is no longer active.

    Tom, do you have more information with your research on this scam?
    Would be interestin to know.

    Comment by Myron — 13th February 2012 @ 3:25 pm

  946. I don’t know what else to call it to be honest Tom. What is your opinion of Equinex and Steven Karpel ?

    Comment by Richard — 13th February 2012 @ 7:07 pm

  947. Sport Leisure was active a few months ago Myron because I know someone who was paying by standing order to it. It’s connected to Equinex.
    The whole business reeks of a scam and Steven Karpel is a very slippery character by all accounts.
    Reading back on this blog he never gives direct answers to any questions. Very unfair that these people can operate this way and get away with it. I know someone who spoke to the ministry of justice and they didn’t want to know because it was gambling.

    Comment by Adam — 14th February 2012 @ 12:55 am

  948. Follow the thread through that I sent on the link. Click on the directors and it will show you each company, that has filed accounts, that they are or were directors of. It will also show you if the company still trades

    Comment by Tom — 15th February 2012 @ 4:37 pm

  949. Tom I font know what relevance that all has. The point is they seem to sell or they did sell a product based on lies and false results posted on their website….have you uncovered more scams by these people ?

    Comment by Richard — 15th February 2012 @ 10:06 pm

  950. Adam I suspect you are actually a customer of Equinex using a different name. Please tell us more of your friends experience. To make it simple can some please summarise Tom’s findings ?

    Comment by Richard — 16th February 2012 @ 11:01 am

  951. Richard,
    Why would I be subscribing to Equinex if I felt this strongly it was a scam?
    My friends experiences of Equinex are well rehearsed on this blog if you read back

    Comment by Adam — 16th February 2012 @ 11:16 am

  952. Maybe because you want to believe it will work some day Adam. I dunno but I am sure you are a subscriber.

    Comment by Richard — 16th February 2012 @ 6:12 pm

  953. You believe what you like Richard, you insult my intelligence believing I would pay money to such a company after what I have said on here.
    I suspect you are a few sandwiches short of a picnic to be honest

    Comment by Adam — 17th February 2012 @ 10:33 am

  954. Richard,

    I also belive that Adam is a disgruntled ex subscriber after reading back through the lengthy blog.

    Comment by Tom — 23rd February 2012 @ 1:16 pm

  955. An ex-subscriber is another matter Tom.
    I am not foolish enough to be a present or future subscriber as what seems to be suggested by Richard.
    That said, I am not an ex-subscriber either.
    Simply someone who had a friend badly stung and takes an interest in seeing this scam exposed.
    No-one reading any of this would in their right mind subscribe to Equinex. No one now defends it here.

    Comment by Adam — 23rd February 2012 @ 5:06 pm

  956. Yes Tom , I wonder who his “friend” is his friend who lost the money but isn’t bothered to post. Funny how Adam is constantly on here having a go at Equinex. It is clear Adam is a subscriber to Equinex but is too scared to admit it, incase Steven takes away the carrot. Adam time to come clean

    Comment by Richard — 26th February 2012 @ 6:38 pm

  957. Don’t be an idiot Richard.
    You are on here plenty and you are not claiming to be a subscriber.
    So have you no life or what? Follow your own logic.
    And the description Tom used was ex subscriber.
    Is there some law saying my friend has to comment here?
    My interest was that I was interested in buying his copy Richard so don’t give up your day job to be Miss Marple.
    Considering my clear views on this blog about Equinex I’m hardly likely to be paying them money, I am not a fool.

    Comment by Adam — 27th February 2012 @ 1:15 am

  958. Please explain Richard why YOU are ‘constantly on here’?
    And you are not a subscriber or ex-subscriber? Pots, kettles and black come to mind?

    Comment by Adam — 27th February 2012 @ 1:19 am

  959. I thinkoth the lady protests too much 🙂 however that sounded like an admission to me.

    Comment by Richard — 29th February 2012 @ 8:35 pm

  960. Cut the bull Richard and answer the question.
    Why are you constantly on here?
    Apply your own logic to yourself or maybe YOU are a
    ex or current subscriber? LOL
    Your cover is slipping Richard its time to come clean

    Comment by Adam — 1st March 2012 @ 12:54 am

  961. does it matter who comes on here as long as it stops other people getting scammed by equinex or whatever they call themselves now. Believe me I know it was / is a con I got stung. None of their systems work.

    Comment by andyb — 1st March 2012 @ 3:02 pm

  962. Good point from Andy B.
    What would be a good idea is the following.
    Anybody that has bought any system of this cowboy outfit, tell us whether it has worked for you or not?
    Just comment ‘worked’ or ‘not worked’
    Obviously those who have never bought the system need not take part in this

    Comment by Tom — 1st March 2012 @ 3:15 pm

  963. Richard, Tom, Adam and Others

    Please Gents, this blog is not a forum to argue between subscribers, past subscriber, non subscribers or persons with interest in the BIG SCAM of Equinex. I must admit that I am a past subscriber who lost a LOT OF MONEY with this scam! Just read through my previous posts. I am not alone!

    This forum is to provide information and advice to future potential people who may be enticed by the sales SCAM at Equinex. I mean people like Steven Lee Karpel and his team who will take your money and when you are drowning in the deep blue sea, you will see your ‘investment’ sinking. That is how Steven and Co can afford their lives of luxury enjoying themselves seeing us all drowning.

    Equinex NEVER gave me any support after my e-mails sent to them following my purchase of their system. Obviously they could not reply because they had no credible answers to my questions. Their only reply on this blog is that they DID NOT RECEIVE my e-mails. How can you trust Equinex with such a response?

    When I challenged Steven on this forum to prove that his System works he avoided my challenge by asking people to challenge HIM by placing (and probably losing) a lot of money.

    Can anyone have faith in a Company like Equinex, or Equitrack, or Telebet (UK) Ltd, or Sports Leisure Ltd: all companies with probably negative total assets and ALL with the same director – STEVEN LEE KARPEL.

    Jon! How are you? You have been very quiet over the last few weeks. Are you still waiting to make the #1000 post? Have you any up-to-date information re Equinex? Please inform us!

    Comment by Myron — 1st March 2012 @ 4:56 pm

  964. Maybe Richard is Steven Karpel! Divide and conquer, LOL
    I totally agree that it’s irrelevant whether people are subscribers or not but then I’m not the one that made it an issue. We all agree its a scam so it’s best to unite against the scam and warn others.
    A guy I was in contact with over this was telling me a few days ago he got an e-mail this week from Equinex trying to sell their new automated system, making claims of how well it is doing.
    No doubt the newspapers ads will start again claiming 60K profit a year.

    Comment by Adam — 1st March 2012 @ 11:25 pm

  965. Sharp as a tack Adam. You have rumbled me. Why don’t you come clean, you seem to talk to a lot of people on the inside to get information. It is obvious you are s subscriber.

    Comment by Richard — 3rd March 2012 @ 10:16 am

  966. This is the last post I’m putting on with reference to you Richard because it’s becoming increasingly obvious that you are here to troll and antagonise and I’m not feeding that any further.
    There is no logic to what you say and you come across as stupid.
    First, you argue that to come on here often you have to be a subscriber yet you don’t explain why as a non subscriber you are on so often.
    Now you argue to be in contact with someone who is receiving sales e-mails from Equinex somehow makes me on ‘the inside’ when actually the person receiving the e-mails isn’t even on ‘the inside’.
    I give up making any sense with what you say, you choose to ignore the point that everyone else agrees on here that being a subscriber or non subscriber is actually irrelevent, so I think its best we all ignore you. It’s what I will be doing.

    Comment by Adam — 3rd March 2012 @ 11:54 am

  967. Adam I NEVER claimed to be incontact with an Equinex subscriber. I was referring to you constantly claiming to be in contact and getting info on Equinex’s emails to their subscribers. You are clearly a subscriber, but you don’t want to admit it, because you fear Equinex for some reason. So you come on here as someone else on order to say what you have to say. A bit sad but that is obviously
    What is happening.

    Comment by Richard — 3rd March 2012 @ 8:50 pm

  968. Are you actually reading what I say or are you just stupid?
    A sales e mail from Equinex is to a non subscriber with the view to making a non subscriber a subscriber. Good God!
    If you still can’t understand sorry I can’t make it anymore simple.
    I think the average reader can understand that’s not someone ‘on the inside’

    Comment by Adam — 3rd March 2012 @ 11:00 pm

  969. Equinex don’t send sales emails to non subscribers. You have been rumbled Adam.

    Comment by Richard — 4th March 2012 @ 11:38 am

  970. 32 to go then we can have a party 🙂

    Comment by Jon — 24th March 2012 @ 8:31 am

  971. We would be lost without your informative contributions Jon.
    Richard you must have your own inside information if you can tell us who Equinex e-mail too

    Comment by Adam — 1st April 2012 @ 4:05 pm

  972. Happy to oblige Adamski.
    Getting closer all the time isn’t it?
    Where are all the other contributors anyway?
    Are they winning?

    Comment by Jon — 2nd April 2012 @ 11:50 am

  973. Why hasn’t anybody taken up my idea in blog 962?
    Could it be that we have a lot of hot air on here as opposed to competent (or incompetent) users of the system?
    My next starter for ten is; Has anybody done any research into this Boulent character who works at this outfit?
    Come on you lot, I am, leading you all to the water but I am not going to drink it for you!

    Comment by Tom — 2nd April 2012 @ 12:44 pm

  974. Jon,
    Maybe you are a 12 year old or maybe you aren’t but can you actually enlighten us any of your experiences with Equinex?

    Comment by Adam — 2nd April 2012 @ 3:54 pm

  975. Adam I do have an inside contact you are correct. As you are fully aware Equinex automated the place system, the system they claimed won £60k per year and boasted the figures on their website. The system where they picked the results the next day. Guess what, it bombed never worked, what a surprise. My contact has been a member for over 2 years and has not won one penny, everytime his banked gets wiped out. It is sad because he cannot let go he is given false hope and promises that the new system will yield a profit, some have shown promise only to have the banked wiped out. They are now using a suicidal progressive staking plan, if you are not sure what that is look it up and you will see why it keeps failing. In short Equinex are conning up with all sort of BS systems to keep people paying their monthly subs, as they can no longer fake their results on their website as they actually proved by automating the place system that it was never actually profitable and only showed a profit because the make their selections the next day.

    Comment by Richard — 3rd April 2012 @ 10:18 am

  976. Morning Adamski,
    I note your comments.
    You will be glad to learn that I am not a 12 year old.
    As you are aware (I presume)gambling is prohibited under the age of 18 so it would have been improper for this software to have been sold to me. Mind you i do have to call your age to account, as a child of 5 would have known that! 🙂

    PS. The magic 1,000 is getting ever nearer

    Comment by Jon — 3rd April 2012 @ 10:27 am

  977. Jon I wasn’t referring to gambling I was referring to blogging.
    I’ll try asking for a final time. Can you actually give us your opinion and experiences of Equinex?
    It’s not an unreasonable request as you have claimed to be a subscriber

    Comment by Adam — 3rd April 2012 @ 2:14 pm

  978. Does anybody know who Mr Darren Robert Barley is?

    According to
    http://www.companycheck.co.uk/company/03621135
    he is listed as being the Company Director of Equinex Ltd, Sports Leisure Ltd and Telebet (Uk) Limited with the Head Office changed from 140 High Street to 167 Turners Hill.

    Has Steven done a runner?

    Comment by Myron — 3rd April 2012 @ 4:02 pm

  979. Interesting link Myron.
    If you click on his name you will see he was appointed a Director only
    a few weeks ago.
    I have also heard a rumour that Steven is being investigated for fraud. Another source told me Steven is ‘unreachable’ when you call
    over the past month.
    He may have sold out. The profit and asset figures are interesting Myron thank you.

    Comment by Adam — 3rd April 2012 @ 5:28 pm

  980. The plot thickens !

    Comment by Richard — 4th April 2012 @ 10:25 am

  981. If any of you subscribers would like access to this bloke Steve then mail me direct tcr20107@aol.com
    However I will only divulge what I know to those of you who can prove that you are a bona fide holder of their software

    Comment by tom — 4th April 2012 @ 10:52 am

  982. Tom,
    Can you explain what you mean by access to him?

    Comment by Adam — 4th April 2012 @ 11:19 am

  983. No

    Comment by tom — 4th April 2012 @ 11:21 am

  984. Subscribers should be very wary of this.
    Looks awful like someone trying to find out which subscribers contribute to this blog
    If I were a subscriber I’d be on to Equinex wanting to know what’s going on.
    But then are they still trading?

    Comment by Adam — 4th April 2012 @ 12:14 pm

  985. I agree with Adam. Who ever Tom is must subscribers are stupid. He is clearly trying to find out which blog usernames the subscribers are using. Welcome to the blog, Darren aka Tom !

    Comment by Richard — 4th April 2012 @ 12:21 pm

  986. Morning everybody,
    Oh ye of little faith. You may wish to know that those who have bothered to mail me have done so without me asking them to impart with any detail about themselves. Alas I am unable to prove this as I have no intention of advertising the e mail addresses of those that have contacted me.

    Comment by Tom — 5th April 2012 @ 8:41 am

  987. This is not making sense Tom.
    How can you verify that anyone is a ‘bona fide subscriber’ unless you have access to Equinex records?
    And what’s the big secret? Why do you need people’s details to disclose what you know about Steven Karpel?
    No one else here is witholding info on him conditionally.
    Little faith? No wonder

    Comment by Adam — 5th April 2012 @ 4:19 pm

  988. Tom is from Equinex Adam. Probably he is Darren trying to get info and blog usernames of his subscribers.

    Comment by Richard — 5th April 2012 @ 5:17 pm

  989. 1. Tom claims that:

    “I have tracked this company for nearly 5 years now and have
    complete details of how they work and what they do to
    manipulate

    Comment by Tom – February 8, 2012 @ 1:10 pm “

    2. Provides a link (which has already been previously been posted by other bloggers,initially by myself) to:

    “http://companycheck.co.uk/company/03621135

    Comment by Tom – February 11, 2012 @ 8:12 pm “

    3. For the first time on this blog (unless I’m mistaken) mentions the name of Boulent.

    “My next starter for ten is; Has anybody done any research into
    this Boulent character who works at this outfit?
    Come on you lot, I am, leading you all to the water but I am not
    going to drink it for you!”

    Comment by Tom – April 2, 2012 @ 12:44 pm”

    4. And then invites subscribers to e-mail him:

    “If any of you subscribers would like access to this bloke Steve
    then mail me direct tcr20107@aol.com
    However I will only divulge what I know to those of you who can
    prove that you are a bona fide holder of their software

    Comment by tom – April 4, 2012 @ 10:52 am “

    5. Promising not to disclose received e-mail addresses:

    “Morning everybody,
    Oh ye of little faith. You may wish to know that those who have
    bothered to mail me have done so without me asking them to impart
    with any detail about themselves. Alas I am unable to prove this as
    I have no intention of advertising the e mail addresses of those
    that have contacted me.

    Comment by Tom – April 5, 2012 @ 8:41 am “

    What information has Tom contributed to this blog? I am totally mystified so decided to politely e-mail Tom.
    I am now publishing on this Blog the actual correspondence between myself and Tom (please note that no confidentiality was requested by either party in any of the e-mails).

    From Myron: Hi Tom,
    Further to your Blog 981, what furthe info do you have
    about Steven and Equinex?
    Are you a Subscriber or past subscriber.
    I would be interested to hear from you.
    Regards
    Myron

    From Tom: Do you wish to speak with Steve directly?

    From Myron: No, I only wish to be updated on the present
    situation!
    Do you have any info?
    Regards
    Myron

    From Tom: Yes I do but I don’t take kindly to your tone. Goodbye

    Tom, Tom, Tom, my tone is not insulting, on the contrary, my tone is polite and inquisitive, my tone is friendly. Why cut me off with a “Goodbye”? From your Blogs and e-mails to me, it appears that you are not totally up-front and do not seem to be genuine. Hopefully I am wrong with my assumption and you will be able to shine more light in the right direction. Why be so cryptic in your blogs? Why do you not elaborate more on your 5 year knowledge on this company?

    Comment by Myron — 7th April 2012 @ 5:31 pm

  990. Thank you Myron, you have confirmed in my mind that Tom is an Equinex employee or the even new owner Darren. It is looking like this outfit is still as unethical as ever….

    Comment by Richard — 7th April 2012 @ 6:33 pm

  991. Not too long now 🙂

    Comment by Jon — 9th April 2012 @ 3:22 pm

  992. It would seem Tom has been exposed. Maybe a more subtle approach next time from
    The Equinex detectives 🙂

    Comment by Richard — 11th April 2012 @ 7:47 am

  993. Afternoon all,
    Exposed? Dont have anything to hide. As I have already said, e mail me and I will tell you what I know.
    Only 3 of you have bothered so far with one individual being told not to bother again due to his/her overuse of the exclamation mark. Was it rudeness or lack of grammatical understanding? Who knows.

    Comment by Tom — 18th April 2012 @ 3:22 pm

  994. Well “Tom” if you have nothing to hide why you using a throw away email address ? Why not post your real email ? Why won’t you just post what you claim you know here ? Myron emailed him and you told him nothing. It is clear you work for Equinex and are trying to find out which of your subs are posting here. What I don’t understand is why this company refuse to operate in a ethical manner.

    Comment by Richard — 19th April 2012 @ 10:02 am

  995. Tom,

    It is not my intention to educate people on the use of grammar on this forum, however in reply to your comment #993, where you remark:

    “with one individual being told not to bother again due to his/her overuse of the exclamation mark. Was it rudeness or lack of grammatical understanding? Who knows.”

    I assume that the one individual that you are referring to is myself and hence I take this opportunity to kindly inform you that the exclamation mark is a punctuation mark usually used after an interjection or exclamation. In grammar, an interjection or exclamation is a word used to express an emotion or sentiment on the part of the speaker.

    To give you an example, in your #973 you write:

    “Come on you lot, I am, leading you all to the water but I am not going to drink it for you!”

    In my opinion your use of the exclamation mark in the above comment is acceptable. It does not cause me any offence. I think its use is grammatically correct.

    Tom, my e-mails to you also contained exclamation and question marks to express interjections and emotions, in a similar method to your use of punctuation.

    Tom, why can’t you be an honest person and disclose what you know on this forum? (apology for use of question mark). You don’t need to lead us to the water and drink it for us, just tell us what you know! (sorry, another exclamation mark).

    Comment by Myron — 19th April 2012 @ 2:30 pm

  996. Tom, In answere to your #962 blog no it does not work and yes I did purchase it . Nothing seems to have changed over the years. You have obviously done well out of Equinex Steve, oh sorry I should have said Tom. Your house must be worth a few bob different from the one you used to live in back in the nineties, the proceeds of all those poor mugs who thought that they were buying a system that worked.

    [From IP address: 82.12.xxx.xxx]

    Comment by Fred — 19th April 2012 @ 4:30 pm

  997. I was considering subscribing to this system but since reading this thread I have changed my mind. Does anyone know of a system that does work and make a profit or are they all scams?

    [From IP address: 82.12.xxx.xxx]

    Comment by jim — 19th April 2012 @ 4:42 pm

  998. Looks like Steve has done a runner and no longer director of Equinex
    http://www.companiesintheuk.co.uk/purchase

    [From IP address: 82.12.xxx.xxx]

    Comment by Kevin — 19th April 2012 @ 4:55 pm

  999. Why have my posts been deleted from this thread?

    [From IP address: 82.12.xxx.xxx]

    [Addition by Ben: They weren’t deleted, they were just in an unmoderated state because your email address/name combination hadn’t been approved before. I’ve approved them all now. Curiously your IP address is linked to many other comments under different names.]

    Comment by Fred — 19th April 2012 @ 4:59 pm

  1000. Well have to look out for more bogus subscribers now that Steve has jumped ship.

    [From IP address: 82.12.xxx.xxx]

    Comment by Ed — 19th April 2012 @ 5:01 pm

  1001. I wonder how Equinex trade now that Steve has left I purchased one of the first copies back in 1998. Whichever method of selection that I used I could not make a profit. Steve is not a bad guy but just misguided, I would say as he gave me the selections that he had chosen from the VSR ratings and I could still not make a profit there were winners and losers but overall a loss. That is why I gave up. I have tried several cheaper systems since but nothing I have used actually makes a profit. The only winners are the sellers of these systems.

    [From IP address: 82.12.xxx.xxx]

    Comment by E Harris — 19th April 2012 @ 5:08 pm

  1002. If you have nothing to hide ‘Tom’ why don’t you just tell the blog?
    And how can you provide access to Steven Karpel anyway?
    I e-mailed you almost 2 weeks ago and you haven’t responded.
    I take it you only respond if you recognise the e-mail address
    from Equinex records? How else can you verify that someone is a subscriber?
    You really don’t expect people to be this stupid surely.

    Comment by Adam — 19th April 2012 @ 5:22 pm

  1003. Adam,
    I have responded to all of the e mails that I have received from anybody regarding this matter. Just resend and I will respond.

    Myron,
    No it’s not you but I thank you for the lesson.

    Richard,
    Look closer to home.

    Comment by Tom — 20th April 2012 @ 9:32 am

  1004. Tom,

    Can I point out to you that your arithmetic does not add up!

    You say in your #993 that:
    “Only 3 of you have bothered so far with one individual being told not to bother again due to his/her overuse of the exclamation mark. Was it rudeness or lack of grammatical understanding? Who knows.”

    Then, in your #997 you reply to my #995:

    “Myron,
    No it’s not you but I thank you for the lesson.”, meaning that I am not that individual.

    In your last e-mail to me you say:
    “Yes I do but I don’t take kindly to your tone. Goodbye “

    You refused to give me any information that you claim to have.

    This must mean that you have refused to give information to more than one individual.

    Also it appears that Adam e-mailed you and you have ignored to respond to him.

    Tom, get your facts right. If you have anything to say, put it on this blog!
    However I somehow doubt that you will comply.

    Comment by Myron — 20th April 2012 @ 1:33 pm

  1005. My posts are accurate and I do not require lessons from you Myron. I am fatigued with everybody’s indolence on here.

    Comment by Tom — 20th April 2012 @ 2:19 pm

  1006. Yayyyyy, I claim number 1,000!!

    Comment by Jon — 20th April 2012 @ 2:20 pm

  1007. E Harris, I think you may have hit the nail on the head. It is obvious that Tom is an Equinex insider, I suspected he is Darren the new owner but Tom’s tone etc would suggest he is actually the mighty Steven. I am sure he is now living a nice life of luxury. Such a pity he had to heap so much financial misery on others to hot his goals. I wonder if he disclosed the contents and views of pass users posted online to the new owner (Darren) The plot thickens !!!!!!!!

    Comment by Richard — 21st April 2012 @ 12:08 pm

  1008. Jon,

    You are out by 6! (or for 6)

    Comment by Myron — 21st April 2012 @ 1:37 pm

  1009. Five different names from the one IP Address? Well Done!
    A disgrunted ex-subscriber possibly? LOL
    Maybe you are fatigued by not catching any flys in your web Tom?
    Logic would tell anyone that if you can’t simply tell this blog what you know then you have an alterior motive,and insisting people must be subscribers? Mmmmmm

    Comment by Adam — 22nd April 2012 @ 6:56 pm

  1010. Richard,

    If I am Steve/Steven/Stephen why on earth would I invite others to e mail me for further information about myself? And for the 4 individuals that I have disclosed information to, why would I do that?

    I am intrigued as to your logic.

    And Adam, what I have to disclose could be considered to be libel if it were to be shared with the general public. That is why I won’t be posting any of the information for public consumption.

    Comment by Tom — 25th April 2012 @ 3:58 pm

  1011. As an aside, does anybody know what happened to the guy called Barry who was part of this set up?

    Comment by Tom — 25th April 2012 @ 4:00 pm

  1012. My logic is simple “Tom” you are trying to find the user names of the subscribers which contribute to this forum.

    FYI Libel must be both untrue and damaging so if what you have to say is true you have nothing to fear in posting what you claim to know.

    Comment by Richard — 25th April 2012 @ 4:35 pm

  1013. Barry has done a runner too Richard. I’ve been fishing around and both he and Steven have gone and this guy Darren is running the show.
    I think they are able to keep going because despite everything the ratings are actually a useful guide, but only that. It’s still gambling and if you enjoy gambling they are helpful but so if the Sun newspaper tipster pages and cheaper!
    And “Tom” you should be aware that Equinex watch this site, so if what you are saying is true how difficult would it be for them to use a throwaway e mail address to find out what you know and sue?
    It dosnt stack up but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and e mail you tonight.
    By the way the moderator of this blog watches for libel.

    Comment by Adam — 26th April 2012 @ 3:56 pm

  1014. No Reply to my e mail after 3 days Tom!

    Comment by Adam — 29th April 2012 @ 1:31 pm

  1015. Maybe “Tom” has done a runner also Adam !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Comment by Richard — 29th April 2012 @ 9:27 pm

  1016. He is only interested in subscribers, he said that at the start.
    The question is, why only subscribers?
    If there is genuine information on Steven Karpel ALL should know

    Comment by Adam — 1st May 2012 @ 6:15 pm

  1017. Get your “friend’ who was a subscriber to email him Adam !

    Comment by Richard — 2nd May 2012 @ 10:11 am

  1018. Not quite sure what’s implied by “friend” Richard but according to “Tom’s” strict criteria he wouldn’t qualify now either.

    Comment by Adam — 2nd May 2012 @ 6:24 pm

  1019. ‘Tom’
    I have been in contact with 2 other people by e mail who have e-mailed you and you aren’t responding.
    I e-mailed you over a week ago and you aren’t responding, so what’s your game?

    Comment by Adam — 5th May 2012 @ 7:43 am

  1020. Adam,

    I responded on 1/5/2012 at 13.30 to the following e mail address;adam*******s*4@yahoo.com
    Check your inbox or junk/spam.
    As for anybody else, i have respoded as soon as I have received e mails. If they wish to re send then please do.

    Comment by Tom — 5th May 2012 @ 12:40 pm

  1021. Apologies I have just found your e-mail.
    I look forward to receiving information. I’m still at a bit of a loss as to why the blog as a whole can’t be told stuff. If it’s libel the moderator just doesn’t allow it

    Comment by Adam — 5th May 2012 @ 3:03 pm

  1022. Evening all,
    How on earth did I miss being blog 1,000? Looks like a dodgy geezer posted numerous blogs under different names!

    Comment by Jon — 8th May 2012 @ 6:46 pm

  1023. Do you intend to reply to my latest e mail from over a week ago ‘Tom’?
    After several weeks correspondence what have I learned about Steven Karpel? Absolutely nothing.
    Despite what was offered initially i.e. information on Steven Karpel, all I have been given is speculation on who various people are who use this blog.
    What does that tell me? That the motivation in asking people to contact you was purely to discover identities. And who we might wonder would be most interested in the identities of people using this blog?
    Anyone contacting ‘Tom’ should be clear as to the motives. It is not to reveal information on Steven Karpel, I have had correspondence with him, he has no information to reveal. It all points to Equinex or Steven himself seeking information. No other conclusion can be drawn from my correspondence with him.
    I’m told that refunds were given to silence people whereby they signed a vow of silence. I wonder is Steven trying to find out who is breaking those vows and how he might get those refunds returned.

    Comment by Adam — 13th May 2012 @ 9:24 pm

  1024. Nice work Adam !!!!!!!!

    Comment by Richard — 14th May 2012 @ 5:38 pm

  1025. I am gathering information to begin a legal case against Steven Karpel and would be grateful for any help from anyone.
    In particular I am interested in his present address.
    I do have an address but am not definate about his present location.
    Please e mail richard@thewcs.co.uk

    Comment by Richard Brown — 14th May 2012 @ 6:00 pm

  1026. At last a subscriber who is willing to take this charlatan to task !!!

    Comment by Richard — 15th May 2012 @ 11:56 am

  1027. Don’t waste your time with ‘Tom’ looking info on him!!!

    Comment by Adam — 15th May 2012 @ 2:58 pm

  1028. How is the legal action progressing Richard Brown ? I seem to remember warning you about progressive staking system on blog. Have you not made these sorts of threats before ?

    Comment by Richard — 20th May 2012 @ 4:02 pm

  1029. Maybe I did threaten before but maybe I wasn’t at the end of the line. Now I’m not making threats I’m acting to recover and applying to court very soon.
    Anyones assistance will be greatly appreciated. I’m told by Equinex that they have many happy customers. I would like evidence they have many unhappy customers
    richard@thewcs.co.uk

    Comment by Richard Brown — 21st May 2012 @ 8:23 am

  1030. Richard B,

    If it helps, I would be more than willing to provide evidence and testify against Equinex and/or Steve Karpel in support of your court claim.
    I believe you still have my e-mail address; if not I can re-send it to you.

    Good Luck!

    Comment by Myron — 21st May 2012 @ 10:27 am

  1031. Myron, he has probably changed his mind again…. Or maybe paid off !!!!!

    Comment by Richard — 21st May 2012 @ 12:42 pm

  1032. Myron,
    I would be grateful for a written statement please.
    Many Thanks

    Comment by Richard Brown — 21st May 2012 @ 3:33 pm

  1033. I’d be grateful if you could send me a short statement.
    Anyone who thinks I am not serious can e mail me for details of dates etc of the court hearing and are welcome to attend.
    I should have details very soon

    Comment by Richard Brown — 21st May 2012 @ 9:18 pm

  1034. Hi Richard B,

    In my understanding, written statements will have to be signed by the witness before being accepted as evidence in a court of law. I do not have your address (postal) as to where to send such a statement.

    Please get in touch with me via e-mail with info of your last 6 or so months experience with Equinex to enable me to build up a statement for you.

    On a lighter side, with your published e-mail address ending ‘@thewcs.co.uk’ you should be able to take Steven to ‘the cleaners’!

    Comment by Myron — 22nd May 2012 @ 3:10 pm

  1035. Very good Myron. You miss nothing.
    I’m afraid I have lost your e mail address.
    I can give you the details of the last 6 months.
    Usual story of course.

    Comment by Richard B — 23rd May 2012 @ 4:18 pm

  1036. Richard, is you legal case against Steven or Equinex ? It looks like Steven has left Equinex as he is no longer a director etc. I’m not sure how all this works but I would suspect your case should be against Equinex. Unless you had a personal arrangement with Steven.

    I must say Richard, I don’t think you are the sharpest tool in the box. Threatening legal action then singing their praises then threatening legal action. But if you are actually serious, I commend you.

    Comment by Richard — 23rd May 2012 @ 4:34 pm

  1037. Very good Myron, you miss nothing.
    I have lost your e mail address.
    I’ll give you an update but it’s one rollercoaster I am glad to be off for good.
    If you could e mail me please.

    Comment by Richard B — 24th May 2012 @ 8:35 am

  1038. Hasn’t ‘Tom’ gone very quiet?
    Richard B, I’ve asked the guy I know who was a subscriber to contact you. I wish you all the best with this but my latest information is that Equinex is dying a slow death and you may be too late.
    They have less that 50 subscribers I am reliably told. At their height they are supposed to have had between 200-300. No wonder Steve has gone, a rat leaving a sinking ship.
    And I believe this blog in no small measure exposed Steven and saved a lot of people getting involved and being shafted.
    Well done to whoever runs this blog.

    Comment by Adam — 28th May 2012 @ 3:39 pm

  1039. Tom was exposed ! Who are the 40 subscribers ? Friends and family maybe 🙂

    Comment by Richard — 29th May 2012 @ 1:17 pm

  1040. Myron,
    Are you getting my e mails?
    Anyone who hasn’t experienced the ups and downs of owning this system whereby you experience hope then despair then hope and despair repeating and somehow regards that as lack of intelligence must themselves have very limited intellectual ability.
    Being off such a stressful rollercoaster after losing just over £5000 in bets is a relief.
    I’ve lost that money but I’m sure as hell not losing the cost of this system without.
    And Adam you are right Equinex does appear to be floundering. Steven
    In letters to me is STILL arguing this system works despite this fact.
    I wonder will he still be arguing that when’s its doors are closed and he is standing in court?

    Comment by Richard B — 3rd June 2012 @ 8:43 am

  1041. Richard , seriously what did you expect to happen using such a staking plan ?

    You better be act quickly if you want to take action. It is looking like this unethical outfit is about to go under. Not before time.

    Comment by Richard — 4th June 2012 @ 12:36 pm

  1042. Richard B,

    Just to confirm that I have received your e-mail.
    I apologise for delay in replying – just sent you a reply by e-mail.

    Comment by Myron — 4th June 2012 @ 8:21 pm

  1043. Some more interesting titbits from what few subscribers they have left.
    Their BOT has maxed 3 or 4 times this year and is not producing profit. I’m told Darren the new owner is not a happy bunny and has taken on a shambles.
    So the system which Steven swore by on this blog, when automated, has failed to work and is losing people money. No wonder he has gone.
    The only subscribers they have left,which are now between 30-40 are the base subscribers who use the ratings as a guide in much the same way as you would use ‘The Sun’ newspaper tips.
    The whole business of downward trending graghs was a scam and has been proven since they automated it.
    I can also tell everyone that Equinex is being relaunched under a new name Sport Leisure. It’s an attempt to revamp the scam and Darren Barley is as crooked as Steven Karpel. There are those of us who will continue to warn no matter what name they call themselves.

    Comment by Adam — 8th June 2012 @ 5:37 pm

  1044. So Darren is just as bent as Steve then Adam ?

    Comment by Richard — 10th June 2012 @ 9:04 pm

  1045. Well put it this way, what’s your opinion of someone who offers a refund one day and a week later refuses any communication with the person?
    Won’t take his calls, return calls, or answer e-mails or letters.
    Yet the same Darren Barley goes on about how different he is from Steven Karpel.
    The Equinex name has totally disppeared as if they think that will wipe what was done in the name of legitimate business.

    Comment by Adam — 11th June 2012 @ 12:20 pm

  1046. Maybe he won’t take the calls because he is working a part time job as well 🙂

    So it is a case of buyer beware of sports leisure as well !

    Comment by Richard — 11th June 2012 @ 1:19 pm

  1047. Good to see that this site is still up and running. I was one of the unfortunates that bought an equinex “SYSTEM” and as we all know they never worked and is was all just a [censored]. Keep up the good work to stop anyone else wasting their money and hopefully [Removed by Ben – no more silly comments please]

    Comment by andy b — 13th June 2012 @ 7:11 pm

  1048. I not sure I would wish that on anyone Andy but I have not actually been ripped off by these guys.

    Comment by Richard — 14th June 2012 @ 12:37 pm

  1049. Whatever your opinions are regarding this outfit, wishing cancer on somebody is deplorable.

    Comment by Tom — 16th June 2012 @ 5:29 pm

  1050. It is not his opinion Tom it is his experience with you scam operation which leads him to make such cutting statements. I myself would not wish anything of the sorts. But the way Equinex have taken people’s money by lying about results etc is also deplorable.

    Comment by Richard — 16th June 2012 @ 8:04 pm

  1051. Why can’t you come clean ‘Tom’ and admit you are Steven or Darren?
    Otherwise why did you waste my (and no doubt others) time asking to e-mail you for info you then didn’t give? What’s your game?
    In the style of Mr Karpel, what a co-incidence, I will of course get no answer.

    Comment by Adam — 17th June 2012 @ 7:52 pm

  1052. I really don’t want to receive emails asking me to remove/amend comments because people post silly things on this blog. Please keep it professional ladies and gents. I refer to the daft comment wishing nasty things on the owners of the system.

    At the end of the day, it’s just money. Some things are far more important.

    It’d be nice to hear some facts i.e. win/loss records etc from people who actually used the system. Most of what we get here is speculation.

    And I’m sure a lot of people would like to hear from the owners. They (or their representatives) have been silent for a long time.

    Comment by Ben — 18th June 2012 @ 7:38 pm

  1053. Well said Ben!

    Darren, it would be nice if you intoduced yourself to this blog and current, ex subscribers to Equinex and their followers and perons of interest.

    Hoping to hear from you to find out from the ‘person who knows’ the truth.

    Regards

    Comment by Myron — 19th June 2012 @ 3:59 pm

  1054. Morning,

    A completely unrelated blog here but if any of you are tennis fans I have a pair of Men’s Final tickets that need a home. Serious offers only please. Mail me if interested. tcr20107@aol.com

    Comment by Tom — 2nd July 2012 @ 10:36 am

  1055. Since everything points to you being connected with Equinex ‘Tom’ only a complete fool would part with their money on a bar of chocolate let alone tennis tickets!
    Speaking of money and dodgy dealings I am reliably informed Mr Karpel has been selling his systems for cash in hand, as in not for HMRC’s knowing. Naughty boy will have his cumupence one day

    Comment by Adam — 2nd July 2012 @ 4:54 pm

  1056. Tom,

    I’ll make an opening bid for the Men’s Final tennis tickets.

    I will offer you my entire gross profit from using the Equinex System in exchange for the tennis tickets.

    This must be the best offer you will receive!!!

    Comment by Myron — 2nd July 2012 @ 7:46 pm

  1057. Afternoon all,

    Far too many sceptical & negative people on here. A poor British trait.

    Comment by Tom — 3rd July 2012 @ 1:33 pm

  1058. Sceptical for very good reason.
    You offer information then don’t come good on your promise then come on here probably with some new scam.
    Get lost

    Comment by Adam — 4th July 2012 @ 12:07 am

  1059. Ben,
    Is this a blog about Equinex or ebay?

    Comment by Adam — 4th July 2012 @ 3:42 pm

  1060. Oh Adam,

    How old are you, 6?
    “I’m telling Ben on you” followed by “Get lost”
    You do make me laugh sometimes

    Comment by Tom — 4th July 2012 @ 8:10 pm

  1061. Would you mind explaining precisely what you are up to on this blog?
    If it’s displaying maturity I’m not seeing it.
    First you offer info on Karpel. I e-mail you and you offer nothing but speculation on Richard, claiming he and Myron aren’t who they say they are. Nothing on Karpel.
    After no explanation for this you are back expecting people to trust you selling tennis tickets!! Maybe that is Equinex’s big come back? A tennis ticket scam?
    Either way your credibility here is as high as Karpel’s.So go try your scam on ebay, this blog is about Equinex and how it has conned people. I believe you are linked to Equinex, everything points to that. Shame on anyone connected with this scam.

    Comment by Adam — 4th July 2012 @ 11:41 pm

  1062. Morning Adam,

    Not a tennis fan then?

    You are very easy to wind up you know. And you must be a total joy to live/work with.

    I have also lost money with these people unlike you who has never owned any of the systems this Company have sold to unsuspecting clients.

    However I believe in moving on. If I had believed the old adage that ‘If something sounds too good to be true then it almost certainly is’ then I wouldn’t have lost £15,000 – £20,000 in buying this piece of useless kit along with chasing my losses in trying to get it to function properly as advertised.

    So Adam, wind your neck in and concern yourself with more important things in lfe, unless you have nothing better to concern yourself with.

    As regards anybody taking actions against this company my e mail address has been published should you wish to contact me and have me on your side.

    Comment by Tom — 5th July 2012 @ 9:08 am

  1063. Morning Adam,

    Not a tennis fan then?

    You are very easy to wind up you know. And you must be a total joy to live/work with.

    I have also lost money with these people unlike you who has never owned any of the systems this Company have sold to unsuspecting clients.

    However I believe in moving on. If I had believed the old adage that ‘If something sounds too good to be true then it almost certainly is’ then I wouldn’t have lost £15,000 – £20,000 in buying this piece of useless kit along with chasing my losses in trying to get it to function properly as advertised.

    So Adam, wind your neck in and concern yourself with more important things in lfe, unless you have nothing better to concern yourself with.

    As regards anybody taking actions against this company my e mail address has been published should you wish to contact me and have me on your side.

    Comment by Tom — 5th July 2012 @ 9:08 am

  1064. Morning Adam,

    Not a tennis fan then?

    You are very easy to wind up you know. And you must be a total joy to live/work with.

    I have also lost money with these people unlike you who has never owned any of the systems this Company have sold to unsuspecting clients.

    However I believe in moving on. If I had believed the old adage that ‘If something sounds too good to be true then it almost certainly is’ then I wouldn’t have lost £15,000 – £20,000 in buying this piece of useless kit along with chasing my losses in trying to get it to function properly as advertised.

    So Adam, wind your neck in and concern yourself with more important things in lfe, unless you have nothing better to concern yourself with.

    As regards anybody taking actions against this company my e mail address has been published should you wish to contact me and have me on your side.

    Comment by Tom — 5th July 2012 @ 9:08 am

  1065. Your words and your actions don’t add up. That’s the style of Karpel on this blog, so if you are suspected of being him you only have yourself to blame.
    Therefore, answer the question. Why offer info, spend 2 weeks e mailing and not give that info?
    It’s all the hallmarks of Karpel on this blog. He never answered any questions here either

    Comment by Adam — 5th July 2012 @ 9:56 am

  1066. Adam,

    With the greates of respect,mind your own business!

    Peoples experiences with this system, positive or negative, really have nothing to do with you. You have said that you dont own or have never purchased anything from Equinex or whatever they’re called, so I can’t understand why you keep on about this.

    Are you on a crusade of some sort?

    If anybody who has bought from this outfit, and are yet to contact me, please feel free to do so.

    As for you Adam, i suggest that you find some other conspiracy theory to get your teeth into.

    No doubt you will come back with some snide comment, so bring it on. 🙂

    Comment by Tom — 6th July 2012 @ 11:49 am

  1067. This is another appeal to anyone interested in helping me take action against these fraudsters.
    I’m particularly keen to hear from anyone who was offered a discount for cash (no VAT!)
    richard@thewcs.co.uk

    Comment by Richard B — 9th July 2012 @ 11:42 am

  1068. Still no answer to the questions, or anything further on Karpel.
    That has conveniently died. Jon, Tom and Karpel are clearly all the same person.
    Writing style and ignoring questions all the same pattern.

    Comment by Adam — 11th July 2012 @ 10:20 am

  1069. Mind my own business in regard to what “Tom”?
    The only business of yours I recall is about Karpel
    Quite a long time ago too, and we are all STILL waiting.
    That dosnt include useless gossip about Richard or Myron

    Comment by Adam — 11th July 2012 @ 2:33 pm

  1070. I thought the whole point of this blog was to find out peoples experiences whether positive or negative. Apparently we should mind our own business then?
    Hilarious

    Comment by Dave — 12th July 2012 @ 1:11 pm

  1071. Morning Dave,

    I agree with you wholeheartedly. My point is that all Adam does is constantly harp on about a product which he has never purchased nor intends to do so in the future. I see no reason for his constant bleating about something which doesn’t concern him.It would be interesting to hear if he contributes to other blogs where he has no first hand knowledge of the product or the providers.

    That goes for anybody else that does similar as well. Whether or not you agree is down to you.

    Enjoy your day

    Comment by Tom — 13th July 2012 @ 9:41 am

  1072. I haven’t purchased it either.
    Should I mind my own business?
    Sorry I’m finding it hard to get the logic of that.
    I found this blog because I saw an ad and wanted to get other peoples
    experiences.
    Are you saying you won’t give your experience of it because it’s no-ones business?
    Can’t really understand why you are here either then

    Comment by Dave — 13th July 2012 @ 11:46 am

  1073. Dave,

    With the greatest of respect read his timeline and you might understand where I am coming from.

    You are here to find out about the system. He is here to spuddle.

    Good luck… I can tell you that the old system worked well for me so long as I didn’t deviate from the set rules… I didnt like the auto system as it operates on an increasing stake system up to a maximum number of bets…Although you have to be pretty unlucky to lose so many on the trot, if you do then it’s a hefty loss.

    If you want more info then mail me direct…. My address is somewhere on this blog

    Tom

    Comment by Tom — 14th July 2012 @ 2:21 pm

  1074. Just one question Tom.
    Do you still subscribe?

    Comment by Dave — 14th July 2012 @ 11:05 pm

  1075. Funny Dave how you saw an Equinex ad. They have not advertised for over a year and even then their ads carried no mention of the company. You must have replied to a very old ad. My advise is run a mile. Tom
    says the old system worked well for a while. This is total bull. Let me summarise members experiences outlined on this blog.Equinex never used their system but back fitted their results the next day. The system was very ambiguous and they hid behinds the fact. This system was then automated and guess what it failed and Equinex could no longer back fit the results as they were all there for everyone to see. They then stopped publishing them on their website. Coincidence ? Then they brought out a ridiculous progressive staking system without and stop loss. This system also failed with members reporting massive losses and bank wipe out’s. Richard B is now suing or attempting to sue Equinex to recover his losses. Tom in my opinion is an Equinex insider. The email address he left on here is a throw away email I mean he couldn’t even be bothered to scroll through the posts here to find his own email address otherwise he would have simply
    Posted it in his last post.

    Richard B good luck in your quest….

    Comment by Richard — 16th July 2012 @ 9:56 am

  1076. Thanks Richard.
    Are you an ex-subscriber?
    It was an old ad. I responded a long time ago and they are sending e mails again

    Comment by Dave — 17th July 2012 @ 11:31 am

  1077. Hi Dave,

    No I dont as I didn’t like the 6 and out system and the subscription rates being hiked

    Comment by Tom — 18th July 2012 @ 8:46 am

  1078. Richard,

    I have just read your blog comment and you are incorrect in all of your assumptions. I am merely commenting on how I found things and I am certainly not an insider as you put it.

    Enjoy your day

    Comment by Tom — 18th July 2012 @ 8:58 am

  1079. You would say that wouldn’t you “Tom” ? Equinex have been exposed ….. and so have you !!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Comment by Richard — 26th July 2012 @ 5:41 pm

  1080. This is another appeal for information from people who have paid cash to Steven Karpel in relation to purchasing this system for a discount.
    I have reported my own purchase to HMRC. They have referred me on to fraud investigators and they are very interested in more evidence also.
    People who have been conned by this guy should take satisfaction in knowing that long runs the fox.
    Equinex remarkably is still trading, but still not making profits for their customers who hang on in vain, like I did, for better days. Continually being offered false hope.
    Anyone can contact me on richard@thewcs.co.uk

    Comment by Richard B — 8th August 2012 @ 10:02 am

  1081. Oh dear have Equinex and Steven been taking cash payments and not declaring them ? If they have that would be VAT fraud !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Comment by Richard — 10th August 2012 @ 11:39 am

  1082. How long did it take you to work that one out Richard?
    The more people report this the harder Mr Karpel gets hit.
    Pay back time!

    Comment by Richard B — 11th August 2012 @ 2:28 am

  1083. But that is illegal Richard. But if you as you say paid cash in order to get the product cheaper you are part of the problem. You would never had a problem
    had your purchase not been useless. So your issue is you bought a piece of crap not that Steven sold it to you for a reduced fee for cash and never declared it as you say. If people like you didn’t try to gain the system things like VAT fraud would not happen. Maybe you should take a look at yourself. Your problem is you bought some worthless piece of crap not how you paid. Had it not been crap you would have been happy to have saved 20% and would never have brought this up.

    Comment by Richard — 11th August 2012 @ 2:04 pm

  1084. Not my responsiblity if someone commits VAT fraud. I was offered a discount,it was then requested that I pay with cash. That does not implicate me in anything illegal. I have spoken to HMRC in reporting this and they have confirmed that.
    On that point, I have received a letter from Equinex threatening legal action against me and the owner of this website for publishing this information.
    I very much welcome such action as I have Royal Mail evidence by recorded delivery of this transaction and anyone is free to see it, including Ben the operator of this blog. I have asked Equinex to commence proceedings against me, I look forward to them losing money rather than their subscribers for a change.
    I have even more interesting information to reveal in the next few weeks so watch this space.

    Comment by Richard B — 11th August 2012 @ 4:38 pm

  1085. Goodness me, why is Ben threatening legal action ? You must have known why you were receiving a discount ?

    Comment by Richard — 11th August 2012 @ 10:51 pm

  1086. Helps if you read the posts properly Richard. They are threatening Richard B and Ben.
    So you have never paid for anything for a cash discount?
    O that we were all as perfect

    Comment by Adam — 12th August 2012 @ 2:51 pm

  1087. Your not the sharpest tool in the box Richard, read the posting. They are threatening myself and Ben. Very pointless when I can back up what I am saying with evidence of recorded delivery. The package was signed for.
    But maybe we should turn our internet now to the new owner of Equinex, one Darren Barley. More to follow….

    Comment by Richard B — 12th August 2012 @ 6:15 pm

  1088. Oh I see Richard. You are right I am not too sharp I had accident about ten years ago and it has affected my memory and thinking. Anyway I am wondering what they will pay for the legal action with as you or someone said they have under 40 subscribers now.

    What do you mean turn our internet to Darren Barley ? What has he done ?

    Comment by Richard — 12th August 2012 @ 11:28 pm

  1089. Sorry that should read turn our interest.
    A good point on how they might pay for court action.
    Mr Barley’s attempt to silence me will not work,I have the evidence
    they were sent the cash and it was signed for. No amount of threats will wish that away.
    I will make it my goal to make sure he never resurrects this business under another name. He (and Karpel) admitted to me that this blog has played a big role in damaging the business, if they think that a new name and a new blog will help, it won’t.
    If a new blog starts I will be there too offering evidence of their dodgy dealings.

    Comment by Richard B — 13th August 2012 @ 10:34 am

  1090. Be patient on what Darren Barley has done.
    I will have the full story on what he has been saying and doing very soon….

    Comment by Richard B — 13th August 2012 @ 10:37 am

  1091. Please tell Richard…..

    Comment by Richard — 14th August 2012 @ 1:00 pm

  1092. Regardless as to whether the cash price was discounted by 20% (vat rate at the time) the revised cost is still subject to VAT if the company is registered for that purpose.

    Richard B I have e mailed you with a question.

    Tom (or “Tom” as others would have it) 🙂

    Comment by Tom — 15th August 2012 @ 3:09 pm

  1093. Tom Were do you think the money Richard paid has gone ? You can bet your bottom dollar it ain’t through the company accounts I am sure !

    Comment by Richard — 16th August 2012 @ 1:44 pm

  1094. Have you been silenced Richard ?

    Comment by Richard — 19th August 2012 @ 8:38 pm

  1095. Richard,

    Re your comment 16th August, you have grasped it! Regardless of where the money has gone, provided a receipt was obtained then that is all that matters. HMRC will establish what happened to the funds.

    Comment by Tom — 22nd August 2012 @ 9:57 pm

  1096. Yes Tom. Therefore if Richard has a receipt that the cash was sent then if the money is not lodged in the company accounts, someone is in trouble I assume ? What is ther are a number of cases but the customers never obtained receipts ? What is Equinex have 100 sunscibers but only records of say 60 software purchased would it be safe to assume that the 40 other subscribers paid by cash ?

    This is going to be interesting !

    Comment by Richard — 23rd August 2012 @ 10:53 am

  1097. I have not been silenced nor will be. I have given Equinex (or Sport Leisure as they now call themselves)until today to make some attempt to be reasonable and accomodate my losses and there has been no response.
    As a result I intend to do an expose on their new owner Darren Barley and let the readers of this blog determine if he is any better in his business dealings than Steven Karpel.
    Their BOT which was invented last Sept crashed twice over the winter with substantial losses. Luckily for me, I was so cynical I didn’t lose much but anyone investing hundreds would have lost thousands.
    The crash in March was my final straw and I telephoned and spoke to Darren Barley. He came across well. I actually felt very sympathetic to him when he explained that he had taken on the business reluctantly to save the jobs of their employees. He himself had been an data imput operator.
    He gave quite a lot away in the conversation. Karpel had left rent arrears. He accepted the system wasn’t working and he admitted he needed an afternoon job to sustain his income.
    I felt sorry for his situation but I explained that I had lost something in the region of £5,000-£6,000 in bets alone plus £3000 (cash). He claimed to know nothing about the cash and that he was having a meeting with Karpel to discuss the recent crash of the system and that I had purchased the system and he had no record of that purchase. He also said that there were others in the same boat who had purchased in the same way.
    He then offered £600 for me to continue with the BOT and then remarkably said it might be a better idea to pocket the £600 as he didn’t think he would be continuing in business much longer. I was to call him in several days, after the meeting with Karpel, and he would arrange the transfer. I came off the phone believing he was a decent guy and I could come to a fair compromise with him.
    Several days later when I called my calls were not put through. I called the following week and was told he would call me that day. I called again in May and June and was told the same thing, he would get back to me.It was obvious something changed when he met Karpel.
    Then a letter arrived asking for reasons for a refund! Another letter saying I hadn’t given a reason and threats of legal action over this blog and what I might say.
    So in April he displayed no confidence in his system, offered £600 to keep going but intimated that it would be best not to bother, and then he has the audacity to ask what reason I have to ask for a refund. He is now refusing a refund because I have not given any reason. You couldn’t make it up.
    The other comment he made was that less than 40 people now subscribed and were making money although he didn’t understand how!!
    I have taken one course of action already and that is by calling HMRC. To date, 5 other people have done the same. When I spoke to HMRC they asked me to call the Fraud Squad also, this I have done and have advised others to do so also.
    In the unlikely event that there may be money left I will now take the risk and take this to small claims in Watford Small Claims Court.
    The court fee is small so that’s the risk I will take. I doubt very much (as Karpel has claimed) that even if I lose the court will make me liable for the other sides costs as my case is not totally without validity.

    Comment by Richard B — 24th August 2012 @ 3:05 pm

  1098. Richard you accused me of not being too bright. But seriously are you stupid ? You used a system for three years which didn’t work now you expect a refund ? How to you expect the court will look at that ? You have no chance of getting your money back, it is a gambling system and you can bet your bottom dollar Equinex have a disclaimer in their terms. Now if you were sold it as something other than a gambling system you may have a case……

    Comment by Richard — 27th August 2012 @ 8:50 am

  1099. You never really listen or read what I write do you Richard? It’s why I think you aren’t very bright.
    Also if you read back on your posts it was YOU who was urging me on to court action, knowing full well it was purchased quite a while ago. If you can’t be bright at least be consistent in your advice.
    I have explained before but I will explain for the slow learners on here again, the reason this has went on for this long is because Exuinex were offering hope of improvement. As far back as a 18 months they were offering an automatic BOT which would eliminate the error of using it manually.
    It’s not rocket science to realise that once you have bought into this system you must extinguish all hope before you give up. They continually offered hope, and most of the time was a rollercoaster experience.
    I’m curious as to why you spend so much time on this Richard when you say you haven’t purchased this and clearly have no intention of doing so now. Slagging off those of us who have isn’t a good enough reason.
    Your clearly a blogging troll who needs ignoring.

    Comment by Richard B — 27th August 2012 @ 7:14 pm

  1100. Oh that is ok then Richard I am sure that argument will convince the judge !!!!!!!!!!

    Comment by Richard — 28th August 2012 @ 6:51 pm

  1101. I agree RIchard B. Irratating and best to ignore.
    But you would be best to concentrate on
    the fraud aspect.
    I wouldn’t hold out much hope now on
    money retrieval. From what you have said it would be throwing good money after bad. Barley and Karpel are in deep financial trouble and your chances of getting anything are slim I’m afraid.

    Comment by Adam — 29th August 2012 @ 12:05 pm

  1102. I wouldn’t hold to much hope on money retrieval either. Three years of using something that didn’t work ! Some chance of a refund !!!!!!!!!!!

    Comment by Richard — 30th August 2012 @ 4:30 pm

  1103. It’s worth calling Equinex or Sport Leisure as they now call themselves in a pointless attempt to erase their dodgy past.
    For weeks there is a recording on the line saying there are technical difficulties with the phone lines and they will operating again ‘on Thursday’.
    As if any normally operating legitimate business would let weeks go by with a recording which makes no sense at all. If the lines weren’t working the recording wouldn’t even be possible.
    If you ask me they can’t even man the phones now and are on their last legs. It’s what I meant about there being no chance of a refund Richard B. The cupboard is bare.

    Comment by Adam — 2nd September 2012 @ 9:59 pm

  1104. I stand corrected. It’s now ‘Who is speaking please’ when they answer the phone. No company name now.
    It’s a disgrace that this company can still operate after what it has put people through. The sooner fraud investigators close it down the better.

    Comment by Adam — 5th September 2012 @ 11:41 am

  1105. Not much of a read this link but it confirms what we already know.

    http://companycheck.co.uk/company/03621135

    Comment by Tom — 11th September 2012 @ 9:06 am

  1106. Amazingly this outfit is still trading.
    3 months after I last reported it, they still have a recording saying the phone lines will be back to normal on Thursday! What’s going on?
    For months at a time they have phone faults and can’t answer the phone yet a recording can come on?
    Anyway, I hope this blog is updated with comments because these people may resurrect and try and defraud people again

    Comment by Adam — 20th December 2012 @ 1:39 am

  1107. Hi everyone,

    Looks as if Equinex are in big trouble!
    http://www.companiesintheuk.co.uk/Company/AllDocuments/17670
    with their “First notification of strike-off action in London Gazette (Section 652)”.

    However I can’t understand why this action is post dated, ie: filed on 8th Jan 2013.

    Comment by Myron — 6th January 2013 @ 1:20 pm

  1108. I thought that was standard practice if you don’t submit your accounts on time Myron,could have been overlooked by Barley.
    I find it more strange that they have a recording on their line saying the phone line has a fault and normal service will resume ‘on Thursday’. Same message for months!

    Comment by Adam — 9th January 2013 @ 6:35 pm

  1109. I bought this software in 2008 for £3500. When I visited and spent time with Barry I was shown results on the charts I was sent. I purchased the system and started with low bets £10.00 and got modest profits. Within two months they had developed a miracle system based on a graph method. Using this I started losing consistently. Spoke to Barry and Steven who convinced me it was me not them. I stopped doing the business and licked my wounds. Last year I was emailed regarding a new system called ibet. Supposedly an automated no fail system. Has anybody an experience on this system?

    Comment by Roy — 9th January 2013 @ 7:29 pm

  1110. Richard B Have not visited the forum for some time . I wish you luck if you take your case to court. May be worth suing Karpel as he purchased a 500K house a few years back. I suppose because it was a Limited company he is fireproof except for alleged fraud.

    Comment by JIM — 10th January 2013 @ 5:52 pm

  1111. Hello Jim,
    I took legal advice and the case was weak largely because of the time elapsed, the nature of the business in racing, and his limited status.
    Might have won but it was a risk throwing good money after bad.
    Don’t go within a mile of ibet. Even it’s present owner has no confidence in it. He told me it was working for some people but he couldn’t understand how!
    I have reported Karpel to HMRC and the fraud squad were interested too. What action they have taken I am unaware of.

    Comment by Richard B — 17th January 2013 @ 2:50 am

  1112. I have been trying to get in touch with Equinex using the contact details on their website without success.
    Having thoughts that ‘not all is well’ I did some investigations on the internet and eventually found this blog!
    I also bought into Equinex some 3 years ago and and Steven and the tean were always helpful and I did 2 sessions of training at Cheshunt but like many others, was frustrated by the graph/money in the market graphs and gave up on it.
    Are they still trading? If yes, does anyone know contact details?
    Thanks,
    Mike

    Comment by Mike Probert — 21st February 2013 @ 7:02 am

  1113. hey Mike Probert
    As with me they stole your money and ran away. None of their systems worked and they new it when they conned you and me

    Comment by andy birch — 7th March 2013 @ 3:51 pm

  1114. Does anyone have an accurate contact email for Steve as I wish to contact him regarding the content of post 295.

    Comment by Ed — 14th March 2013 @ 5:49 pm

  1115. To Ed post 1114 . Tracing someone is easy these days just go to 192.com
    and type in their name and location ( Potters Bar)pay £6 and you have all their details. Simples.

    Comment by Jimbo Wilson — 28th March 2013 @ 11:31 am

  1116. It’s even more simple if you look under list of directors at company house.
    But I will make it easier.
    He lives at [an address somewhere in the world]
    Be my guest!

    [Edit by Ben: There are ways and means but this blog isn’t the place to broadcast addresses I’m afraid]

    Comment by Richard Brown — 4th April 2013 @ 6:58 pm

  1117. Apologies Ben.
    If anyone is having difficulty obtaining these details they can email me.
    As I said previously the fraud squad appeared very interested.
    r.brown253@ntlworld.com

    Comment by Richard Brown — 5th April 2013 @ 6:23 pm

  1118. Afternoon all, much going on on here these days?

    Comment by Tim — 18th April 2013 @ 3:01 pm

  1119. 19/04/2013 – Second notification of strike-off action in London Gazette (Section 652).

    Comment by Tim — 24th April 2013 @ 12:53 pm

  1120. Hi All,

    Companies House now lists Equinex as DISSOLVED as of 24th April 2013.

    http://www.companiesintheuk.co.uk/ltd/equinex

    Comment by Myron — 24th April 2013 @ 4:17 pm

  1121. Indeed Myron but it ceased the name Equinex when Karpel left.
    In a clean up exercise it is now called Sport Leisure and has moved to another location in Cheshunt.
    The phone is still being answered although under bizarre circumstances where where it regularly has a recording stating there are technical difficulties.
    However, the cupboard is still bare for anyone hoping for recoveries of money. Barley is relying on about 20-30 people who make some kind of income from the ratings. In a telephone converstaion he admitted that he didn’t know how they were making money but they keep subscribing!!

    Comment by Richard Brown — 25th April 2013 @ 12:20 am

  1122. What is the latest on this shower. Got away scot free I suspec?

    Comment by Jim — 19th July 2013 @ 12:41 pm

  1123. They are gone!
    My last experience of them Jim was that the new owner promised to put everything right and even offered me a goodwill gesture of £500.00.
    The new owner, Mr Barley, never honoured that and refused to allow my calls to be put through as a result.
    It’s quite possible this outfit may reappear under another name but the telephone number has ceased and it looks like they are out of business.
    I corresponded directly with Karpel but even though I threatened him with HMRC for taking cash and not declaring VAT he refused to compromise. I am not sure what action HMRC have taken but they asked me to call the fraud squid also who appeared interested.
    Karpel, the founder of this so called business is a devious conman who will hopefully be the fox who ran too long.

    Comment by Richard Brown — 31st July 2013 @ 12:58 pm

  1124. With this opportunity now dead I am closing off the comments.

    Some morons in China mistakenly believe that one of their spam comments may get approved someday so they are flooding this post with junk.

    As far as I can tell from a quick search, Equinex was “Dissolved” on 23/04/2013

    Comment by Ben — 7th January 2014 @ 11:58 am

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