Avoid the scams, find out which Business Opportunities actually work
14th March 2007
Filed under: General Opportunities,HYIPs — Ben @ 2:29 pm

I’ve recently received several emails about this one. It’s called the “Global Pension Plan” and promises to help you turn €30 into €55,000 or more!

I got the following email and decided to look into it:

“Hi Ben
Could you be kind enough to look into this opportunity for me, what’s your opinon on this one, sounds too good to be true!….has it got scam written all over it? it was passed on to me by friend.
thanks for your time
Phil”

Well, I had a good look at the site and tried to find out who is behind it and what is going on.

Rather than take up space here, please visit the main site:

Global Pension Plan – Is it a Scam?

Once you’ve read the report there, please feel free to comment on this blog or send me an email to the usual address.

Thanks,

Ben

*UPDATE 23/02/2008* – I’ve had to remove some comments as the blog was collapsing under the weight!

These comments have been archived and you can view them here:

Archived Global Pension Plan Comments

*UPDATE 13/11/2008* – I’ve had a few problems with the blog over the past 24 hours which resulted in a restore from backup. Consequently you may find some rogue symbols dotted around the place – especially where there used to be a € or £ sign. Apologies for this but there are far too many for me to correct!

*UPDATE 22/12/2008* – Just for fun: The Global Pension Plan – Stella’s Updates

*UPDATE 16/06/2009* – Now that Stella is gone or dead or whatever – she’s not writing the updates in any case – let’s just remind ourselves of when the final date for GPP is (from the official site):

20th of November, 2008
Deadline & General update

The Final Deadline: 31st of January 2009
During the last week and half we have been closely in touch with the insurance company and the financier of this project and agreed the final deadline to be set on the above mentioned date. The current turbulent financial climate has created a great pressure to finish the program as soon as possible. This date is absolute and means, that we MUST reach the initially set target of 100.000 qualified members. Otherwise the program closes without payout.”

Note that Stella said “this date is absolute” so it was surprising when the new ‘admin’ posted this:

10th of May, 2009
Update

Dear Global Pension Plan Members,
As per Trust Partner’s decision, we hereby announce the final closing date of Global Pension Plan: 06/30/2009 That is the 30th of June 2009.
The current number of fully qualified members is only slightly short of the 100.000 limit.
Trust Partner highly appreaciates your efforts and sends you best wishes and luck for the last month and a half.
Sincerely,
Admin”

*UPDATE 26/10/2009* – Apologies for the problems with the blog over the weekend. A new plugin caused the issues. All should be back to normal now…

3,575 Comments

  1. I always told my sister that GPP was a scam, but she still believe that her debit car will arrive any day. she has so many plans, she invest over two thousand dollars, I don’t tell her anything now, but I’m afraid for her, she looks like shes desperate waiting for the mail every day, I’m afraid she will hurt her self. shes always looking catalog and making plans.

    Comment by shelsea — 5th December 2011 @ 12:00 am

  2. Busting,

    I’ll go one step further… Send me only $20 and I set everyone up with 1 Million dollars each! This to be paid in only 100 yrs! It’s a win win situation! Now if you catch me driving around in a Benz, it’s just because of all of the money that I made off of this scam! lol… Unfortunately this actually is not funny.

    Extan,

    You are sure right, this world traveler must be running low on funds now. How about some $5.00 policies! Yea! These too, I’d take it would pay the whole contract payment huh?

    Seems like you did some good work in finding this clown. I know of someone on a dirrerent board looking for them too! If only I did some resarch and knew about this before hand, I would surely have
    informed everyone that I could find and put a hole in their profits. You know I can’t even call that a profit. That would imply that these monies were obtained by actual legal, morale or the like kind of means. Not, what is in effect, stealing.

    Well everyone, after the next couple of days has passed, and Stella and Co. has either established a new expiration date or simply breaks camp, we can still join here and attempt to find what else they may do to scam others. I’ll be watching…

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 12th February 2008 @ 1:14 am

  3. I am sad to find out that my Dad purchased numerous policies and has even become an “upline” guy. Former college professor and one of the most intelligent men I know. Perceived desperation leads to vulnerability, and I fear that G.P.P. has taken advantage of so many, who have had such high hopes.

    Comment by downhomeguy — 12th February 2008 @ 2:41 am

  4. Stella,

    If you do read this, can you put a post in the forum, or on here, and let us know what’s going on.

    Kim

    Comment by Kim — 12th February 2008 @ 3:13 am

  5. Stella is busy make up some other lie to tell you. This think has been almost 3 years in the making. You’d figure everything should be planned out to the “T”

    Stellair is not only sloppy shes lazy

    Comment by Busting Gut — 12th February 2008 @ 3:30 am

  6. hello everybody, please excuse my bad englisch

    a friend of mine tells me that in russia they did the similar “game” as GPP. and that they get the payout! his upliner from GPP tells him this. he was going to GPP one year ago instead of the russian thing because hi did not trust the russian.

    if they get the payout, it can work also for GPP, or not? if somebody of you have the time to investigate of this russian thing or maby get payout from there, please inform us here. thank you!

    another thing: if there is a real stella, she would never post here, if she is criminal or sincere. nor the criminal stella, nor the sincere stella would get her energy inside this discussion. she would be quiet (the criminal), or she would post in the GPP forum.
    so the question for stelliar is: to give you here as stella, will give you a bad feeling inside, you can feel it to look in your eyes in the mirror every morning (did you look in to them allready for more as two seconds?). are you comfortable in your own personality? seems not, because you presumed to be another. you must have this problem since longer time, did you? so please try to be youself in your life, accepting also the shadows in your personality. try to solve your own problems and to get a free person. stop it immediately to post here and making some games with other peoples “problems”. it will give you more personally problems then less!

    everybody: dont react on the stelliar-postings. dont give energy on that game, we are giving energy enough on GPP!

    Comment by monica — 12th February 2008 @ 10:04 am

  7. Well Mike, everyone should do some homework to find these GPP organizers, but not publish on here because then they would be warned and just relocate, anyway if they close down their website and run away with our money, if not already done, they will surely flee to Mexico, Angola, Japan or one of those secret places. Just imagine, more than 100000 clients and their friends and families, if just a few can exchange e-mail addresses and get properly organised, it is NOT about the 30 Euro that you lost, it is about our long held dreams being shattered by some GREEDY people and some of us would have gained millions of Euro through “hard” work!

    Comment by EXTAN — 12th February 2008 @ 10:41 am

  8. I mean, come on people, what did you expect? That some company(that nobody konows anything about) with a help of some investors(that nobody konows anything about), is helping you to get an pension insurance from a company(that nobody konows anything about) And magically it will turn your 50$ to 55000/110000$ in few months or so. It’s time for reality check: you don’t know who’s running the GPP “company”, you only know some finnish(which I doubt) woman called Stella, that’s all. You don’t know which company is providing the insurance, or who are these so-called trust partners. You don’t know where to send your personal info that you need for insurance, you don’t know which bank is providing the money, or to which bank GPP should pay your 55000$. So, your facts are pretty much close to zero. The only fact is that you’re out of 40$, which is not much. But multiply that with 100000(or who knows how many) people, and it’s already a decent amount of money for the scammers. It’s not easy to admit that you were scammed, but at least you can learn from it. Or you can stay positive and wait for the money to materialize. Just remember, there’s a difference between being optimistic, and being naive and stupid.

    Comment by Rokka — 12th February 2008 @ 11:23 am

  9. Guys there are acouple of other RPP’s that have reached target, I am interested to find out from those members if they have heard anything regarding the payments owed to them. The 2 that spring to mind are:

    1 WPP Target 20’000 part1 (http://www.worldpensionplus.com/)has finished part 1 and is now promising a pay out, Part 2 will comence in 72 hours

    2 LPP1 Target 2’000 Part1 (http://limited-fund-plan.com/)already started with there enrolement for plan2 Target 5’500 and plan 3 target ?

    3 HCI has a very professional website with lots of info regarding there projects current, past and still pending.
    Of all the sites I have looked at theirs would seem the most honest(if you could call it that).
    They also have names, addresses, who, where, and when, also vacant positions available in the company, buy the sound of things this is not the first time that they are doing this pension stuff, above all advertise that they will refund you membership fee(less 7% admin) should the project not complete.
    It makes you wonder were all of there previous projects successful. and did every get there pay outs.Just abit of food for thought!!

    I am not a member, so…if there are any members registered with these RPP’s I have mentioned how about giving us a bit of input on your experiences and also what is the news under the member logins.

    Comment by AB — 12th February 2008 @ 12:42 pm

  10. Roccas letter seems to be inconclusive, he rightly remarked on the zero info we have on GPP, but then he said we should be optimistic about it, they are going to pay out (I hope too!!). You know it’s not about to admit to have been scammed, I once had another scheme which was worked out so well (should have worked for all), but most humans are not really ready to take part so that everyone can win, downright stupid and very GREEDY, they can only mess it up! GPP should also work, but the advertised gains should have been more realistic, a gain of 154% over a short time seems to be too optimistic

    Comment by EXTAN — 12th February 2008 @ 2:13 pm

  11. Short term??? it’s been 3 years! I would say low investment!

    Just a few more days until we are all rich

    Comment by Busting Gut — 12th February 2008 @ 3:30 pm

  12. The total of 100000 members was only reached late last year, so 154% in a few month sounds impossible, 3 years ago how many members were there, just a few, so please check your sums 🙂 .Anyway enjoy it!

    Comment by EXTAN — 12th February 2008 @ 4:22 pm

  13. Hello everyone, i will have conference call today with ppl from banking solution. Will keep you in touch…So keep reading Busting Goat’ stupidities (endouille) meanwhile, that will keep you positive or at least, make you laught…lol

    [Edit by Ben: Readers would be well advised to ignore this BS by “Stella” – the IP address of this poster resolves to: COGECO Cable Canada Inc. i.e. somebody using an ISP in Canada…]

    Comment by Stella — 12th February 2008 @ 7:44 pm

  14. Say if you were member 1 or 2… It’s been a long time coming, a long time indeed..

    the 100000 people thing is all a part for the marketing ploy, it creats the urgency to join.

    personally I think the magic number was reached a long time ago, if they where even counting along the way.

    Another thing that makes me say hhmmmm… why not just take all the info that they need when you first sign up??? It’s not like they did have a up and running web site. The partial account info is there anyways

    Stelliar what do you have to say to that?

    Comment by Busting Gut — 12th February 2008 @ 7:45 pm

  15. EXTAN, point well taken. We should not in effect provide information to these clowns. We will have to join together after this scam has finally come to an end. This truly gets my goat, so to speak…

    Downhomeguy, I understand your pain, especially from your fathers standpoint. A friend of mine also established a long line of people to join in this scam. A painful lesson indeed.

    Everyone, as was said earlier, it’s not so much the money (in some cases), but the expectations, the dreams, the hopes of those who have participated which is the worst part of this crime.

    Rokka, indeed we did all fall into this decision to disregard the “if it’s too good, it probably is” saying. I’ll tell you, I wanted to believe, but upon further thought, investigation, realized that such a program was not possible. For goodness sake, why would anyone who has a child… hopeing to go to college, pay all of this money for a 529 or any educatn based program, when something like this could pay for not only college, but a car and perhaps even a place to stay/live.

    I only wish that I knew of this blog earlier. In fact, for others sake, I wish that I knew of this plan. Indeed I found that this had to be a scam, and would have shared this with my fellow man. Of course I figured this after the dollars were gone (which was quite recently)(another victim of a down line).

    It angers me that people have been waiting for 3 yrs or so. How unfair to play on others hopes for so long…

    AB, I hope not to sound insulting , but wouldn’t you agree that this is also a scam? A new one in fact? I must say that I am impressed by how much info is out there on this site. An amazing amount. EVERYONE, this is most assuredly a new scam! This made possible by good web designers. I will not say how I can see that this is a scam… but sadly, it is. Tell you what, why don’t they let me borrow this 50 bucks and then pay them back after I get my 80 thousand… Hmmm now for another scam to dismantle. Anyone have any ideas on how I might be able to prevent people from falling prey to yet another of these scams?

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 13th February 2008 @ 3:50 am

  16. My goodness! This scam is all over the place! Meaning, this can be found everywhere under this domain! This is outrageous! I even see this listed under SEVERAL other domains! These clowns are making so much money… Looks like the dollars have not been made yet, but they are on a mission!

    Looks like a prime candidate for me to get the word out on. They have flooded the internet w/ many who are telling how good the site is, using certain types of email addresses, and other suspicious activities. Unless this can be proven to me, I’m going to take steps to shut this plan down!

    I invite someone to tell me otherwise before I waste my time running after these clown’s efforts. Seems like they have spent a lot of money. I hope, I really do hope that this can be proven to be something real… HA! I’ll do further resarch. If I don’t get a phone number, it’s all over with. I’ll let the internet, yes the internet know that this is a scam. I know how to get a word out, I know how to get the word on it, and I know that there is someone out there who can do a better job than I can! I envite you all to look at this upcoming scam!!!

    Thoughts?

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 13th February 2008 @ 4:26 am

  17. I’m sorry, I just have to say just one more time that this is just rediculous! Though I grow tired of these scams, I just cannot let another one begin without getting the word out! This is another of “Stella’s” upcoming scams! Just wait till I litter the web with info on this scam!!

    Truly, I invite you all to review this. No phone number I’ll bet no one can find! Give us a national address to send cash to. Why not allow for a bank, a real bank to handle these money transfers. Let my banks send my money to… Yes I have lots of money to send to your new program! It’s sitting in my bank just wasiting to be sent. I’ll bet that you won’t provide us with that info.

    So, Stell, what do you think about that?

    I’m going to be so all over this nonsense. Oh, don’t think that I dont know of your other scams being pulled at the moment. Oh I’m so on it!

    Everyone, once again, I’d like you all to see the similarities between the two…

    I can’t stand this!!! Stella, prove me wrong. Give up the $ to these good people…

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 13th February 2008 @ 5:01 am

  18. This GPP is surely a big scam, website too long off, taking us for a ride,they would be well advised to stick to their promised plan, there is no place to hide, somebody would smoke them out!

    Comment by EXTAN — 13th February 2008 @ 6:23 am

  19. Extan, you didn’t get my point, probably. I meant that you can learn from this, and avoid other scams in the future. Or, just be optimistic and wait for the payout(which will not happen). If I was a participant in this, I’d be very careful not to send any personal documents there, and limit the personal damage to 40-50$. One might argue that, they have no use for those documents, and they can’t be used for identity theft, but I think it’s a real risk. After all, they managed to scam ~100000 people, so it shows their skills as con-artists…

    Comment by Rokka — 13th February 2008 @ 6:32 am

  20. Dear Stella, we live here in lovely Cape Town, why not hide in our home, you are welcome, lots of things to do, hiking in the mountains, going to numerous lovely beaches, a variety of shopping centres, you name it. Please leave your money outside and give us a debit card so we can also take part in your windfall 🙂

    Comment by EXTAN — 13th February 2008 @ 6:50 am

  21. i’ve got gpp back on my pc, no new news from stella, money grew a bit, whatever that means, our hearts are jumping a bit!

    Comment by EXTAN — 13th February 2008 @ 9:47 am

  22. tried again to get into GPP no ways, maybe certain numbers do the trick, lousy system!

    Comment by EXTAN — 13th February 2008 @ 11:04 am

  23. So when March 1st rolls around, (though I expect there will be “month-to-month” delay tactics; should we all stand on a hillside awaiting the landing of the Mothership and watch in wonder as STELLA appears? We could recognize her, she’ll be the one standing next to Santa Clause 🙂

    Comment by downhomeguy — 13th February 2008 @ 2:09 pm

  24. Hello everyone, this is inspector Cluso from the internet fraud investigation Unit. I am pleased to inform you all that the person who call herself “Stella” is in custdy under suspicion of criminal internet activity. All of the money taken from you, good citizens around the world, will be refunded to your accounts. In order for our administration to do this job I must kindly request everyone to make a small payment of 1$ so this operation could be finished as soon as posible.. Payment instructions will be reveled soon.
    Stay tuned!!!

    Comment by chief inspector Cluso — 13th February 2008 @ 10:29 pm

  25. This sure is amusing reading guys, If the GPP ever comes back on line I cant wait for the exciting news it will have.!!!Lol

    Comment by SM — 14th February 2008 @ 1:56 am

  26. When we file to get our “refunds,can we please check off to donate a portion of the refund to the G.P.P. charity?

    Comment by downhomeguy — 14th February 2008 @ 2:22 am

  27. Feb 15th and the dollars should begin to flow huh? Sure they will… Next step.. March 15th. Maybe they’ll need more time to dissiminate the money, and so on, and so on…

    This is so bad that I must reiterate. This Stella, is running worldpensionplus.com!!! Look at who the bank is…. Again! They must really think that we are STUPID! Again, this is the exact same scam! Brand new target dates! Yes… a fresh new scam, waiting on somefresh new money!

    Outrageous!

    Everyone please note #308. All roads lead to a fabulous SCAM! Too bad these efforts could not be towards a good cause. I must again say, NO ADDRESS, NO PHONE NUMBER, NO WEBSITE PROVIDING ANY INFORMATION OF VALUE!!!

    I need info on how I may provide others to review these plans a bit closer before providing these people with your hard earned dollars!

    Goodness, I could surely do better doing something else… In fact I need to be. I just cannot stand to have my fellow man get scammed. Now to attempt to scam others with yet another scam!?!

    It is really to bad that these parties cannot be prosecuted. I suppose that this is the benefit of having an overseas scam. The U.S. cannot get to them… At least not yet.

    Stella and Co., enjoy your spoils while you can. I’ll be watching and as for the two addional scams that youve begun…. especially the worldpensionplus… This is most assuredly a copy cat scam of GPP!!!

    Everyone, again it is not a matter of my lost $80 or so. It’s the continued stealing of peiples money! It saddens and angers me.

    It is so amazing at how many of these scams are out there. Quite a few being operated by this Stella entity.

    SM, I must laugh along with you! This expected good news will probably disapear, as fast as our money. I had a good analogy of website updating… This is one even better. Take into consideration people who moderate blogs! They are on the ball with the moderation and updating of their site/info.

    Makes me say not hmmmmm, but Scammmm.

    Yes, much too long of a post, but I am to the best of my abiity, at least here, trying to prevent more loss of money.

    Help me in this quest!

    Stella – Please provide a counter… That is unless you’ve broken camp!

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 14th February 2008 @ 3:59 am

  28. It must have been pure luck to have come on the GPP website, because no luck again, but it is quite sure that Stella and Co. have abondoned that website, no more postings etc. Probably now trying her luck with worldpension plan, what a ruthless shame!!!!

    Comment by extan — 14th February 2008 @ 8:07 am

  29. Who gets that feeling in their gut that they aren’t coming back! Sure hope I’m wrong. Still no website at all.

    Why did they give us all those extra Turing codes for anyway?

    I have so many questions and no one to ask them to. Like UM, for instance(The people running the business, AKA Stella))

    Is anyone out there a big upline for a mass amount of people. If so than lets here what you think.

    Please tell me that none of you BIG uplines even if you still have faith are In any way Recommending This Any More To Anyone. If so than you are just as bad as Stella and The Trust partners or whom ever they bloom en are.

    After so many stall tactics they have done now You couldn’t possibly SIGN A NEW MEMBER.

    Not that you could now with no site anyway… I’m Very passionate about this point. Its not just a matter of STOP buying but STOP selling.

    Comment by SM — 14th February 2008 @ 8:52 am

  30. hi everyone, try this to get onto GPP:

    1. for best results clear your explorers (select tools/internet options)history, cookies (my privacy selection is on “medium”) and clear your temporary files.
    2. To bypass the initial code, type in http://www.globalpp.net/login.php or http://www.globalpp.net/members/index.php … you should get into the login page, fill in your stuff, be patient they may tell you that your turing code is wrong, just try again :-).

    I’ve tried this on 2 different computers at my work, 2 different usernames, a few times and it always works, but my girlfriend at home tried on 2 computers but no luck?? Anyway, there is nothing new on GPP, STELLA and NEVERLAND must be jet-setting around the world with our money, so no new entries in the forum, please inform your downlines about this mess.

    Comment by extan — 14th February 2008 @ 12:25 pm

  31. This is crazy. Ive done all that and still nothing. Web page has expired. Don’t why Its all so hard. You were obviously lucky extan. Will keep trying tomorrow. Its bed time here, down under. Ill keep my eye out for Stella she may visit…Lol !!!!!!

    Comment by SM — 14th February 2008 @ 1:11 pm

  32. Official GPP site is updating security proxy…. exists much problems, but is online.

    For access (with patience) probe this link:

    http://www.globalpp.net

    Wait to see “turing code” image (minutes).

    Suggestion: for me, the best option for access use “Opera” browser. http://www.opera.com

    regards

    euken..-

    (posted to me today by euken, admin of the unofficial gpp web site)

    Comment by chief inspector Cluso — 14th February 2008 @ 1:26 pm

  33. hi SM, I rebooted my PC and cleared all info, then tried again, but I first got nothing, then tried the login but got the first turing page and after the 2nd (number) try got through to the login page etc. At my home also no luck, don’t know why, maybe GPP already got onto my “diverging” method and re-programmed to close the loophole 🙁

    But surely, their website is so “closed up” everything is secret, that surely oozes scamming stuff, it would be a wonder if they come back, probably now trying worldpension en other scams.

    Comment by extan — 14th February 2008 @ 2:14 pm

  34. What is STELLA last name? a friend of mine was introduced to company
    called Global Pension Insurance run by a Ben Seigler? you pay Initial contract: $55.10 Additional Contracts @$40.00 each

    Comment by Penny — 14th February 2008 @ 6:29 pm

  35. We don’t know her last name Penny, but if you read 241 she denies being Ben Steigler.

    Comment by SM — 15th February 2008 @ 12:20 am

  36. I just went into the website and the forum and nothing have changed.
    I took me quite a bit to get in.

    Comment by baba — 15th February 2008 @ 3:06 am

  37. Extan, I feel your frustration. Why the H*** should we have to dig around in some crappy site? Guess this clown can’t run it after all! To have such problems with any site holding large funds is totally unacceptable!

    Yes, Stella, I’ll bet that you would suggest that this Ben Seigler is not related. Why don’t you tell us that it is not worth looking into. Better yet, why dont you tell us of another option… Yes, tell us of something other than his plan is a good one. I’ll bet that you won’t.

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 15th February 2008 @ 3:19 am

  38. Hi Everyone,

    If you visit http://teamthemco.wordpress.com/ you will find most of Stella’s postings on GPP forum quoted here.

    There is a warning from Stella about Ben Siegler and that he is posing as GPP.

    Happy reading.

    JL

    Comment by Jes — 15th February 2008 @ 5:37 am

  39. Ben Seigler is just running a scam (GPIT) on top of another scam (GPP), so you’ll get twice as much nothing for any money you put in.

    Comment by JH — 15th February 2008 @ 6:16 am

  40. Yes, your friend Ben should get a Global Foot in his rear!

    Comment by MikeCheck — 15th February 2008 @ 7:53 am

  41. Mike, I’m not frustrated, my girl would only loose 5M+ Euro and I could have stopped working, getting a lazy chair and relaxing on the Cote de Azur :-).

    It appears it is easier to get onto the useless Gpp site on a “fresh” PC, i.e. never before connected to GPP, they store info somewhere which you probably cannot delete, must be good hackers, sometimes delete whatever you can (cookies etc.)and reboot! Pity there are so few people writing on this forum, one could get better organised, etc. Maybe someone has contacts to Interpol and it would be easy to trace Stella and Co., the company that wrote their website is advertised on their website so Interpol could squeeze info out of that company, etc., many ways to kill a cat!

    Comment by extan — 15th February 2008 @ 8:54 am

  42. “When we file to get our “refunds,can we please check off to donate a portion of the refund to the G.P.P. charity?”
    Comment by downhomeguy

    This just cracked me up. I think you already gave your money to charity, all 40$. I think “stella” is happy for the charity you people provided. Let me just, say for the sake of argument, that this kind of reverse pension plan would be possible, then what makes you think that scammers behind GPP wouldn’t keep all the money for themselves. After all, we’re talking about billions of dollars.
    My guess is that there will be delays again with “banking solution”, then you might have to provide some additional cash for expences regarding money transfer. Saddest part is, there’s going to be suckers who fall for this crap. Mark my words…

    Comment by Rokka — 15th February 2008 @ 9:27 am

  43. Stella’s Name.

    Allegedly, this is Stella Pohjola and, once again allegedly, she is from Finland.

    Comment by Owen Platt — 15th February 2008 @ 9:44 am

  44. There is a major promoter of GPP who call themselves TeamTHEMCO, claiming to have enrolled some 2% of the membership. Trawling through their blog, I saw this from dear old Stella in May last year:
    ” The jurisdiction in which our co-operating insurance company is located doesn’t have these so called “insurance controllers” and the legislation
    allows worldwide commerce of insurance policies.

    The Trust Partner has done these deals with smaller, but still international clientele before and with this same licensed and registered insurance company without any problems from the Big Brother’s side.”

    So this licensed and registered insurance company exists in a place outside of the traditionally regulated jurisdictions.
    Now that should give you all a warm and fuzzy feeling.

    Comment by Owen Platt — 15th February 2008 @ 10:21 am

  45. Obviously someone from GPP watches this site, because they closed the loophole on their website. If somebody is busy to beef up their website he must be a novice because it takes ages. It also appears that their site is overloaded with anxious clients, extremely slow and timing out! Stella Pohjola nowhere to hide!

    Comment by extan — 15th February 2008 @ 11:58 am

  46. Owen, this is just a plain shame. TeamTHEMCO huh? Stella, you’d better wach out for Team MikeCheck! Owen, this is the kind of info that we all need in order to prevent these scammers.

    I’d take note at how little your girl, Stella posts on this site anymore. You are right, they are slaping things together for keeping us quiet while they establish that new scam. You know, you noted that they have that 2% already… Let’s let that be thier last % that they get!

    GOT TO STOP THESE SCAMS! I’ll tell you, this frustration has just stuck to me like glue! I hate to see people get scamed! Yes, lottery tickets are taking a big chance, but…it is a chance., As said earlier, this is simply stealing!

    If there is a msg board on this scam, I’ll be on it to bring that to as much of a halt as possible…

    Stella, don’t be angry w/ me I’m only trying to bring your sham to an end!

    Everyone, think back and try to remember how you originally got pulled in to the scam. Were you in a down line? If not, how did you find out about it? Let’s bust them down.

    Once again however, as for those who have put in substancial monies, I trully do hope that you are able to reap some benefits, at least not be financially damaged. For the most part however, it the hopes and dreams that are stolen along w/ that $40.

    Extan, what can we do to shut this down?

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 15th February 2008 @ 3:09 pm

  47. Hey gang don`t worry the check is in the mail!

    Comment by Busting Gut — 15th February 2008 @ 7:45 pm

  48. http://futureplanning.wordpress.com/ and Team Temco are one and the same, secret postings and no comments allowed, just imagine some freak still organises foundations for 140 persons in the belief that GPP will pay out, they know that GPP is off for extended time and no explanation was done to that effect by GPP about their “new” plans, utterly unprofessional and team temco says we should not bother them with that because they are so busy organising foundations for which most probably (from GPP’s recent behaviour)no money will be forthcoming!! I can only laugh 🙂
    Thanks for this website, please take those scammers to court!

    Comment by otto — 15th February 2008 @ 9:51 pm

  49. it havent over but all of you just said is a scam…. so i guess should i also follow and say GPP is a scam?

    Comment by Meck — 16th February 2008 @ 3:45 am

  50. Hey I’m still lauching (maybe I should rather cry)GPP is still off and Futureplanning etc. is still doing this foundation stuff (regardless!)into empty money bags, I mean really F….UP!

    Comment by otto — 16th February 2008 @ 8:47 am

  51. I dunno about you guys, but I cant get anything but “We cannot display this page, and a list of reasons why”.

    What the heck is going on. There was no warning of this being possible to occur in the future from the Gpp. Come back and fulfill your commitment!!!!!!!!!!

    COME BACK and fulfill your commitments S–t H–ds.

    I mean, Fair Dinkum this is a joke.

    Im sure we all have in each country an A current affair show to DOB them into. Or a morning show any thing that we should all talk to and about. If they don’t pay up soon we should expose them to a bigger audience.

    If there is nothing in the very near future, I’ll let you know when I’m on Today tonight and A current Affair here down under. Just go to (nine msn.com.au) Web page and I will tell them to post it there. T.V,! There is no bigger way to get it out there. Lets make a pact to do this.

    If you all mean it than we take them down to never do this again. Every television program possible!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Its the karma they deserve if they don’t deliver. So we have all typed, Now lets talk and talk loud. We have the power NOT Stella.

    Save others not only from the money in there pocket but as said above by Mike check their DREAMS. As that is the biggest thing that gets me. Lotto doesn’t promise you a thing only a chance. THEY promised us BIG TIME.

    If you are with me than SAY SO, Cause with or with out you I’m gonna mate. Cough up or RUN RUN RUN and never get a chance again to do this EVER Again!!!!!!!! Sam Yes thats me Sammy! Why should I hide Hello From what Them Ha!

    Comment by SM — 16th February 2008 @ 11:24 am

  52. I’m from germany and in the last week i had problems to get their site just sometimes. but since the last three days its NOT a problem and i think it has nothing to do whith “use a virgin computer”, “conspiracy theorie” or anything was posted here…
    and: i don’t understand all this sarcasm offered here.
    we should all remember that there was just a tiny little chance to get a lot of money for being lazy and doing nothing.
    so, come on, where is your pride??
    biting around and crying because of what??
    relax, don’t give them more money and accept your personal responsibility!
    regards

    Comment by Socke — 16th February 2008 @ 12:12 pm

  53. Anyone know who is behind TeamTHEMCO?

    Comment by Owen Platt — 16th February 2008 @ 2:39 pm

  54. Hi SM, that’s how I like it, wish everyone would feel like that, then things will get moving, lots of passion to bring bad people to book!! Nobody should kill our DREAMS!

    Hi Owen, I know who is behind THEMCO etc., that’s why I changed my name, but just hold on a bit maybe he can help us by some unknown reason, even though I think he has also now been taken for a ride by Stella and Co without knowing it, it is really like that, he put a lot of money into it, maybe not knowing them, and now this foundation stuff, I can see red faces very soon…trying to do good and then looking like a big A – hole!!

    No new entry on the GPP website, pure luck to get in, but someone seems to fumbling on their website, making it more difficult, maybe on a very low budget 🙂 🙂 The GPP support E-mail also seems to be off, a good indicator?!

    Involving the media is a good plan, no place to hide, the modern world is small and many people need money so they will talk!

    Comment by otto — 16th February 2008 @ 4:56 pm

  55. Hey Otto, call me Samantha after the TV show Bewitched, I just met a Tabitha tonight. (first time eva)

    I think that must be a sign, don’t you?????????!! Considering that I was nearly named after Tabitha.

    Saved by the bell, I said to her and named SAMANTHA instead, And she said:

    ” Depends on which way you look at it”. “Be positive and say thanx I’m famous, or “I get that all the TIME”!!! I’ll take positive any day as would you, if we had something to bounce it off, would help!!

    T.V is the go , It is a part of my sign.eg (Tabitha)

    The other is look at this from a different perspective, and give it the Wings its asking for, and set the Dove free. See if it comes back.. SM

    Comment by SM — 16th February 2008 @ 7:02 pm

  56. Bloody hope Sooooooo! Or Im havin my fifteen minutes of fame.

    And very soon.

    Id rather a pay check from the GPP, to make up for the crappy husband that threw away mine and my kids future and all that I went without for. Love to say” Hey You don’t control me anymore”!!!!!

    Hard work and going without shot to the sh-t by him. Don’t want It from Stella.

    Comment by SM — 16th February 2008 @ 7:16 pm

  57. Hi guys,

    GPP’s website is online again, although a bit slow.
    I got into my account and noticed that the amount was updated
    and my referral downline grew a bit. So, they must have been
    working on maintenance and updating at the same time.

    No news on the forum as yet. I hope that by Monday
    we will at least get an explanation of what’s going on behind
    the scenes.

    Keep your hopes up. No good will come from panic.

    Take care.

    JL

    Comment by JL — 16th February 2008 @ 10:07 pm

  58. Hallo SOCKE, kan nicht Deinen Brief verstehen, hast wohl nicht die letzte Woche mit GPP durchgemacht, ein profi Geschaeft macht seine Plane offenbar und versteckt sich nicht hinter den Kulissen, also wasch bitte Deinen Kopf, Du bist hinterm Mond!!

    Yes. GPP is back, maybe read through this forum, last entries, have they got much choice to fight against commited fighters, they know well that if cought with dubious stuff we will see that they land in jail!

    Enjoy next week, regardless

    Comment by otto — 17th February 2008 @ 2:38 pm

  59. you can use their mirrors sites to log on

    like http://www.globalpensionplan.tk

    but it’s real slow.

    we are a few days past the payout, where are all the people that believed in this crap?? why have they stopped posting.

    thats right SHUT UP

    Comment by Busting Gut — 17th February 2008 @ 3:33 pm

  60. Hope you R ok Busting Gut… Anyway, apparently this morning there was a new posting on forum/finalstep/questions and answers concerning “all payout will be paid into the bank solution which they now have” and then it was removed again????

    I think someone told them correctly that they cannot change the last AGREEMENT that members can ALSO pay into our own bank accounts, trusts/foundations which we have opened specially for that money. So in effect there is nothing new on the GPP website, Feb 8 last entry.

    They should be asamed of being so un-professional, that’s the bottom line, VERY CRUDE indeed!!!!

    Comment by otto — 17th February 2008 @ 5:47 pm

  61. Have you noted at how good ole’ Ben is trying to separate himelf from GPP?

    It is amazing that this Ben character is so concerned about moving his name from the GPP. How wrong of us to associate him w/ GPP! I mean, he would not be able to START his NEXT scam with the negativity from the first!

    Ben, I’m sure that there are many more on these Blogs that will attempt to shut your scamming down! I only want to find someone who can help in this shut down, or at least get the word out! Oh yes, Ben, while attempting to scam all of this money from everyone, why don’t you get yourself a better translator! The following are a few reasons why this too, is a GPP successor;

    First, his english sucks, especially for a business man who is handling millions.

    Second, this rambling of his sounds more like a man on the run, or someone trying to save his own SCAM!

    Third, why don’t you provide us with an address, or phone number… Oh yea, it is because of security issues. Right!

    Fourth, where is your domain email address? What’s the deal w/ the AOL account! CHEEZY!

    Everyone, for your benefit, the following is what ole’ boy was saying about GPP and Ben’s Company.. It’s long, but you’ll see what I mean…

    ——————————————–

    HELLO, I HAVE LOST OVER $10MILLIONS IN COMMISSIONS SINCE THE ACTIVE BUTTON WAS PLACED IN THE BACKOFFICE I WAS NOT RECEIVING THE BONUSES OF $2000 EURO THROUGH OUT MY DOWNLINE WHICH WAS COMING IN ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.DOING THAT TIME FRAME UP TILL NOW. PLEASE ADDRESS THANKS ALSO I NOTICE THAT MY BACK OFFICE NOW SAYS CONTACT SUPPORT CAN’T LOG ON. HAVE THE HACKERS AND OTHER FOLKS WHO HAVE BEEN TRY TO SHUT DOWN GLOBAL STRUCK AGAIN? I MEAN PEOPLES HAVE REALLY BEEN ATTACKING ME SAYING THAT GLOBAL PENSION PLAN HAS BEEN A SCAM ON THE INTERNET SINCE 2005 AND NEVER PAID OUT AS THEY PROMISED PEOPLES AND THEY REPORTED GLOBAL PENSION PLAN TO FEDS AND OTHERS TO INVESTIGATE YOU’LL AS SCAMS ON THE INTERNET RIPPING PEOPLES OFF AND NOT PAYING OUT THE CONTRACTS AMOUNTS YOU STATES ON THE WEB- SITE. NOW NOTE THIS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I HAVE BEEN FIGHTING STANDING UP FOR GLOBAL PENSION PLAN FROM DAY ONE AND EVERY DAY UNTIL NOW.TELLING PEOPLES THIS IS REAL AND WILL PAY OFF WHEN CONTRACTS ARE SOLD,HOWEVER THEY SAY THAT PROMISE FROM GLOBAL PENSION PLAN HAS BEEN OUT THEIR FOR OVER A YEAR MAKING PROMISES TO PAY AND NEVER DID A SCAM. I STILL INSIST TO THEM EVEN WITH THE DOWN TIME ON GLOBAL PENSION PLAN WHEN NO ONE CAN BE PROCESSED GLOBAL IS REAL AND THEY ARE LEGIT AND PEOPLES WILL GET PAID GIVE EVERYTHING TIME TO BE PROCESSED, THAT YOU WILL PAY THEM AND US OFF. NOW I KNOW FROM MR. DIETER THAT THIS IS REAL AND GOOD AND SOLID PROGRAM AND ALL WILL BE WELL DESPITE OF ALL THE UPS AND DOWNS YOU ARE EXPENIENCING. THERE HAVE BEEN SOME BLAKELY BLUNT ATTACKS LAUNCH AT GLOBAL PENSION PLAN TO SHUT YOU DOWN, THERE ARE PEOPLES OUT THERE THAT FOR SURE DON’T WON’T THIS MONEY TO BE PAID OUT TO THE MEMBERS AND THEY ARE RIGHT NOW DOING AND SAYING EVERYTHING TO STOP IT FROM HAPPENING HOWEVER I TELL THE PEOPLES WE WILL FOR SURE GET PAID IN END OF FEB.2008 AS STATED IN FORUM.
    20 ben seigler PLEASE NOTE THIS HOW CAN SOMEONE SIGNUP UP ANY BODY WHEN THE SITE IS DOWN ALL THE TIME. AND I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET PEOPLES SIGNED UP. PAYMENT PROCESSORS NOT WORKING, I ASK FOR STELLA TO ASSIST ME AND SIGNING THEM UP,HOWEVER TO BUSY I HAVE SENT IN REQUESTS TO HELP AND FIX THE PAYMENT PROCESSORS TO SIGNUP PEOPLES, SO HOW CAN SOMEONE SIGN UP PEOPLES, AND ANOTHER NOTE: NOW ON FEES, E-BULLUION WAS FIRST USED THEN SWITCH TO LIBERTY AND C-GOLD WHICH YOU MUST PAY A HEALTHY MONEY EXCHANGE AND WIRE TRANSFER FEE TO CONVERT THE USD TO EUROS. WHICH MAKES THE CONTRACT PRICE OF $44.10 COSTS MUCH MORE, SO NOW IT TAKES MORE MONEY TO PURCHASED THE CONTRACTS, SO A ADDITIONAL FEE HAVE TO BE CHARGE TO COVER COSTS OF THAT, NOW HOW IS THAT DOING WRONG? NOW AS THE WEB-SITE AND HACKERS HAVE KEPT THE SITE DOWN FOR MOST TIMES WITH PROCESSORS CHANGING AND NOW BEN SEIGLER GETS THE BLAME FOR NOT PROCESSING PEOPLES /I SAY THE DEFEATED DEVIL IS A LIAR AND WON’T WIN THIS WAR AGAINST A SOLDIER OF THE I AM THE LORD WHO HELPED HIM. I DEMAND THAT YOU TAKE MY NAME OUT OF THIS PETITION OF FALSELY ACCUSING ME NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SAYS THE LORD. READ PSALMS 47 IN THE HOLY BIBLE.WITH SPIRITUAL EYES AND DO UNDERSTAND IT. I ASK KINDLY FOR STELLA AND MANAGEMENT AS THEY MAY BE ONE, TO ASSIST ME IN GETTING THE PEOPLES I HAVE SIGNED UP ASAP.AND LETS MOVE ON SEE MY E-MAIL BELOW TO CONTACT ME AND WORK THIS OUT AND SETTLE IT, BECAUSE FALSE STATEMENTS ARE MADE AGAINST ME. AS THEY HAVE BEEN MADE AGAINST GLOBAL PENSION PLAN SINCE 2005 MY E-MAIL:cashflonow101@aol.com ALSO HAVE THE HACKERS AND OTHER FOLKS WHO HAVE BEEN TRY TO SHUT DOWN GLOBAL STRUCK AGAIN? I MEAN PEOPLES HAVE REALLY BEEN ATTACKING ME SAYING THAT GLOBAL PENSION PLAN HAS BEEN A SCAM ON THE INTERNET SINCE 2005 AND NEVER PAID OUT AS THEY PROMISED PEOPLES AND THEY REPORTED GLOBAL PENSION PLAN TO FEDS AND OTHERS TO INVESTIGATE YOU’LL AS SCAMS ON THE INTERNET RIPPING PEOPLES OFF AND NOT PAYING OUT THE CONTRACTS AMOUNTS YOU STATES ON THE WEB- SITE. NOW NOTE THIS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I HAVE BEEN FIGHTING STANDING UP FOR GLOBAL PENSION PLAN FROM DAY ONE AND EVERY DAY UNTIL NOW.TELLING PEOPLES THIS IS REAL AND WILL PAY OFF WHEN CONTRACTS ARE SOLD,HOWEVER THEY SAY THAT PROMISE FROM GLOBAL PENSION PLAN HAS BEEN OUT THEIR FOR OVER A YEAR MAKING PROMISES TO PAY AND NEVER DID A SCAM. I STILL INSIST TO THEM EVEN WITH THE DOWN TIME ON GLOBAL PENSION PLAN WHEN NO ONE CAN BE PROCESSED GLOBAL IS REAL AND THEY ARE LEGIT AND PEOPLES WILL GET PAID GIVE EVERYTHING TIME TO BE PROCESSED, THAT YOU WILL PAY THEM AND US OFF. NOW I KNOW FROM MR. DIETER THAT THIS IS REAL AND GOOD AND SOLID PROGRAM AND ALL WILL BE WELL DESPITE OF ALL THE UPS AND DOWNS YOU ARE EXPENIENCING. THERE HAVE BEEN SOME BLAKELY BLUNT ATTACKS LAUNCH AT GLOBAL PENSION PLAN TO SHUT YOU DOWN, THERE ARE PEOPLES OUT THERE THAT FOR SURE DON’T WON’T THIS MONEY TO BE PAID OUT TO THE MEMBERS AND THEY ARE RIGHT NOW DOING AND SAYING EVERYTHING TO STOP IT FROM HAPPENING HOWEVER I TELL THE PEOPLES WE WILL FOR SURE GET PAID IN END OF FEB.2008 AS STATED IN FORUM.

    —————————————————-

    Let’s bust down this scam before it begins good. I’d like to make this effort gone into this scam a waste of their time and money!

    Mike Check

    Comment by MikeCheck — 17th February 2008 @ 10:14 pm

  62. MikeCheck – See posts #118 and #157 above.

    Seigler has no domain as far as I know. He works mainly through teleconferences that were held on a regular basis and by mail to receive payments.

    In addition to the local agencies listed in #157 above, which also have web sites to file complaints by email or form, since he’s used mail and postal money orders, that puts it within the jurisdiction domain of US Postal Inspectors and likely the US FBI also.

    Postal Inspection Service complaint form and contact pages are here:

    http://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/forms/MailFraudComplaint.aspx
    http://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/contactUs/phoneus.aspx

    FBI’s Norfolk VA Field office contact page is here:

    http://norfolk.fbi.gov/contactus.htm

    Comment by JH — 18th February 2008 @ 3:55 am

  63. You ever notice crooks always like to quote THE BIBLE….LOL

    What can I you or anyone say to stop the payout???

    What a load of crap… GPP is sloppy and they will get caught

    Comment by Busting Gut — 18th February 2008 @ 5:02 am

  64. Why would you want to stop a payout “IF” it were to happen?????
    Almost sounds like that’s what you folks would try to do “IF” payouts were to happen. Not saying I think they will. Question: What would you all do “IF” they started to make payouts? Just asking for your thoughts. Thanks.

    Comment by Busterblues — 18th February 2008 @ 6:30 am

  65. Hi busting Gut, logged into the mirror Site and got the home page, but nothing when I logged in. Just a dead end. No web page can be displayed.

    If you guys can get in, post in here what it says in the forum cause I wouldn’t have a clue. I can then tell my Western Aussie mates that are down line, with no Internet on. I do need to relay something cobba!! Cheers Sammy!

    Comment by SM — 18th February 2008 @ 7:41 am

  66. Hi Sammy,

    Try this link: http://www.globalpp.net/login.php
    I now get in every time I log in.
    Nothing new on the forum though.

    Hope you are successful.

    Take care,
    JL

    Comment by JL — 18th February 2008 @ 8:17 am

  67. No luck JL, don’t no why, Ive tried them all. I did click the Active button for my self and my down line so that cant be why, I guess I will just keep in touch on here.

    Keep the feeds coming. Cheers for your input mate. Sammy!

    Comment by SM — 18th February 2008 @ 8:35 am

  68. hy Sammy,

    Hi Sammy, JL is my girlfriend, lucky me! Now that it’s easy to get onto GPP we just hope that we hear from S+N, else no use!

    Comment by extan — 18th February 2008 @ 8:55 am

  69. I found this on GPP posted 9h55 today 18 Feb., first input since 6 Feb., don’t know how we could send our ID copies etc. ANYWAY as long as they do not provide us with a forwarding address? Will they really come out of the secret bunker?

    info for those that do not have access to GPP 🙂
    take care!

    Dear Members,

    We are preparing a more complete update for you concerning the Banking Solution. This will come out hopefully later this week!

    Please don’t email or mail us the Agreements and the ID copies yet! We don’t want or need them before the Banking Solution is ready!

    Thank you!

    Regards,
    Stella

    Comment by extan — 18th February 2008 @ 11:41 am

  70. Thanx guys, appreciate that. Will keep trying as always.

    Yeah, I think anyone who thinks lucky me with another is already lucky……! Big Cheers! Sammy.

    Comment by SM — 18th February 2008 @ 1:09 pm

  71. Hi Sammi, I know you are going through a bad patch, don’t worry, try the datingbuzz iafrica or down yonder thats where I found my love, life gets so beautiful when you find the right one, it can be done, just be patient, lets see whether Stella and Co. can beef up our life, wish they would know our dreams 🙂

    Comment by extan — 18th February 2008 @ 1:16 pm

  72. Yeah, me too extan! Going to meditate on that one tonite, Stella and Partners hear our DREAMS, and that of my kids who are hoping along with me. Would love to give my kids, that share a bedroom for three, at least one bedroom each.

    I took them dream building on this one. They are my love for now and even though I don’t hold a great emphasis on money It helps.

    I don’t even hold that many policies but enough to give them a home one day.

    All the best extan and JH keep dreaming and believing. Your kindness helps a lot, more than you could ever know. Sammy!

    Comment by SM — 18th February 2008 @ 1:36 pm

  73. Sorry I mean JL. Too many J’s here LOl. Silly Sam

    Comment by SM — 18th February 2008 @ 1:37 pm

  74. Hi All,

    Here is the latest post in the GPP website forum.

    “Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 12:57 pm Post subject:

    ——————————————————————————–

    Birth certificate will be accepted from the members of any age who don’t have any other form of ID.”

    Be positive. We might as well get wealthy! 🙂

    Anras

    Comment by andras — 18th February 2008 @ 3:04 pm

  75. JL, excellent work! I also saw this site stating that this virtual bank was a F rated money pit!

    These scammers must have spent a good amount of time establishing all of these sites and such.

    As I said earlier, if they worked on something valid (something of use), they may have done well.

    I suppose that there is nothing like free easy money huh?

    Nonetheless, that was great info on tracking this back to this clown. Money orders huh? This just might get this clown!

    How much do you want to bet that he will no longer accept money orders. I dare say that he will not be in that house within the next 15 days or so. Hope that you are stuck in a lease! Then again, since your character is at question, you’d probably judt leave anyway…

    Everyone dig this! Ole girl has to move the site due to “hackers” What a D’d sorry excuse! This is nothing more than an attempt to elude us or gather more people to their scam… The following is what I saw from another site…

    ————-
    She mentioned the new url for GPP as http://www.globalpp.net/login.php
    or for your referral link: http://www.globalpp.net/?id=username

    She also pointed out that the name had to be changed to globalpp because of more mischief by the group of bad guys who have been responsible for other attacks on GPP.
    ————–

    You tell me… Right or wrong? I think, no, I know that any reputable company could and would patch a hole instead of establishing a new domain! A DOMAIN IS THE COMPANIES SPACE/IDENTIFICATION ON THE WEB!
    You expect Starbucks.com to change thier name to placewherewesellcoffee.com? H@ll NO!

    SCAM, SCAM, SCAM, SCAM!!!

    Stella, tell me why this was done?

    Everyone, join me and watch her elude this question again!

    I DARE YOU to answer this question!

    As for you supporters, I dare say that you’d like to know this information too…

    Again, supporters , do you want to know this? I’ll ask again, and call someone out, if no answer. I already suspect someone already as working with/as Stella.

    Let’s all wait for this one!!!

    MikeCheck

    Yes, stella, Ben and Co., still having those website issues? I guess that this is what you get when you jump around on free servers.

    Comment by MikeCheck — 18th February 2008 @ 6:22 pm

  76. Actually I did not mean to add this about free servers. I meant to say something about the fact that you KEEP ON SEEING this company jump from one server to another!!!

    I don’t know about you, but I have NEVER seen such a thing! NEVER!!!!

    Stella youwant to address his too? Maybe the boogey man is still hacking your sites?

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 18th February 2008 @ 6:29 pm

  77. I find it amazing that GPP’s site is so hacked. It appears that they have more attacks on them than the U.S. Department of Defense has received from the best terrorist organizations. Perhaps I am a bit naive in this matter, but does it not seem rather strange that this site is down so often, and denying access to so many? Is GPP’s server a subroutine in a cellphone program? Perhaps they should take the server out of the trunk of the car and place it in a nice stable building. Just a suggestion:)

    Comment by downhomeguy — 18th February 2008 @ 6:40 pm

  78. This is pretty sad. I have a family member that has not only invested thousands into this scam, he is really counting on it paying off and will be devastated when it doesn’t. He has purchased these “memberships” for many friends and family not to mention the money used to purchase the ATM cards that will be needed when the big payoff happens.

    Now, they are all being asked for color copies of their photo ID’s. Who knows the number of stolen identities that will come from that alone. They say that they are not asking for social security numbers. I am not sure, but aren’t there ways for crooks to track that down once they have your ID?

    I have a couple of questions about this. Global says they need 100,000 “memberships”. I wonder how many hundreds of thousands of “memberships” they have already scammed people out of. I am sure they reached their victim goal long ago. Their delay tactic after another will continue until people stop buying into this, or until they finally get caught.

    My second question is why are these called “memberships”? Is it because there is not as much recourse or fraud liability against the scammer once they are caught, if ever? The global people really stress that this is not an investment.

    The postings on Global’s web site from Stella that are copied and pasted in many entries above are only ploys to try to influence people into continuing. They are nothing more than fake entries to keep the false hopes going so that more money can be scammed.

    I also hate it when someone misquotes biblical scripture to manipulate.

    Comment by LD — 18th February 2008 @ 7:56 pm

  79. I’m SHOCKED that GPP is still “alive”. I was under the impression that they would’ve disappeared some time ago as they have obviously made several million Euros so far. And paid out exactly nothing…

    Remember what they said on the site:

    “Global Pension Plan offers no guarantee of any kind. Risk is an integral part of any financial transaction… Global Pension Plan will make every effort to reduce the probability of loss but payment of Compensation and Loyalty Program Rewards are on a best efforts basis…”

    and in the ‘Disclaimer’ section…

    “The details contained herein are for informational purposes only, are subject to possible error, change, and/or amendment, and are provided specifically as a courtesy at the request of the recipient”

    There’s no money coming I’m afraid ladies and gentlemen. Please don’t send “Stella” any more fees for membership.

    Comment by Ben — 18th February 2008 @ 11:30 pm

  80. Downhomeguy, you are notnaive at all! Indeed it is strange, no, pitiful that this site stays down so much.

    As I mentioned earlier, the mom & pop’s pizza store site has never been down! To truly put this in perspective, how many valid websites have you seen down? If you have seen one, I’ll bet you that you only saw such a problem once!

    This is so very Triffling!!!

    Stella & Co. – You all are doing good running around on server to server, mixing up info between each of your identities and so on. A very sad situation.

    Stella, again, I invite you to review # 360. What’s up with that?
    # 361 & 374 provide a comment on that! If you cannot read the previous posts, I’ll reiterate those questions again for everyones benefit. Hmmm.. maybe I should provide a compilation of questions that you continue to not answer.

    Oh, maybe you are working on the banking solution….

    People, please note, as I stated earlier, more time is again needed for this solution! Goodness, I could have bet good money on the fact that this would happen!

    Stella, now what is the deal?

    Even again, let’s see if she, I mean he, I mean they, have enough fortitude to answer!

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 18th February 2008 @ 11:39 pm

  81. Well, as I once posted, my father had purchased a bunch of these “memberships.” But I continue to refuse to send the color-copied ID’s. Twice I have been the victim of identity theft and it takes a long time to get it corrected. I fear that many will be sending these copied documents only to find that they are being used to open accounts and obtain credit for those who have been manipulating this “program.”

    Comment by downhomeguy — 19th February 2008 @ 1:13 am

  82. Hello for every one here!I was readyn today your forum,i have to say that it is very’dramatic’,i understand why,also here i have so many questions and i wonder why it is imposible to get an answer about any thing.I wonder if anybody know what about those people who have 2 nationalites,what they can do?what copy they have to use, if that can be from another id from other country,even if that is not the one where they live?.I hope that every body here get payed,sure isn’t normal all that silence!..what ever,do you know a better way to get your children quite,nice and cooperative with you?I call it comunication,that’s all!peace,when you don’t get wrong things and every body can get the answers.All you have a nice week and cheers!…sorry about all the bad ortografy falts,i try next time better.

    Comment by Salt — 19th February 2008 @ 1:46 am

  83. Good for you Downhomeguy. I truly do not recommend that anyone send this information! ID theft is really a terrible thing. I too am a victim, but I’m sure that what I’m going through is nothing in comparison to the financial losses that could be had from these clowns!

    The person who’s downline that I’m in may have done this already. I sure hope that he has not done so. I always say, why give this information up to someone who won’t give you theirs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Everyone, please take Downhomeguy’s lead. You’d be paying these clowns 40 bucks to ruin your financial future! I’d bet that those who have provided this info would find that they’ll have a couple of new credit cards that will be maxed out, and maxed out FAST!

    Might I suggest, that if you have provided this information, that you from now on have a credit service placed on your credit. A sad thing, but it will probably be necessary for several years… Possibly forever! The credit check will get in touch with you and ask if a credit card or request for credit is something that you authorized! This is too much trouble to go throug for this scam!

    Funny that they would be able to do this from Africa, France, Finland or wherever(s), they are.

    I’m not going to say buyer beware. I’m going to say, buyer heed my warning! I mean are you going to give up your most important information to someone you don’t know, have never seen, have no address that can be verified, who’s website cannot stay up, who’s server continually changes, who continues to change pay dates, who has no idea of who or where the baking solution is (What is that anyway), who cannot provide an answer to anyone without providing some elusive answer??

    I saw on Dateline where internet scammers laugh at gullible Americans. In this case it looks like they have gotten to several countries.

    Before any of this information is sent, please demand that they provide some kind of information to you!!! After all, this crap about keeping quiet is a pile of CRAP! Why should this be quiet? What is happening that is so important that we must keep this hush hush. For goodness sake, this is “supposedly” overseas transactions. Sounds like the only thing goin on here is preventing US prosecution!

    What do you think of that Stella’s.

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 19th February 2008 @ 2:33 am

  84. MikeCheck, do you think you are wonderful??
    Some of your lines, if condensed are ok, but please get to the point, stop the negative crap, writing endless letters that nobody reads, it will achieve nothing.

    It seems now that Stella has re-appeared after a week of silence you and a few other guys object like crazy! LD what is your problem, I suppose it’s in the head? You do not seem to understand how things work, this forum is superb to work at things until they hopefully work, but only if we keep to the point and try to achieve a POSITIVE outcome, rather than to damage it!! Rather keep that ugly mush to yourself or tell it to your granny!

    Well, about GPP they now have to jump over the last obstacle, i.e to come a bit out of hiding, maybe the quickest way would be to include space in our profiles to enter the ID numbers, account numbers, etc. they don’t get the pin number so no problem?

    Comment by sleuth2008 — 19th February 2008 @ 8:22 am

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    Comment by Koychi — 19th February 2008 @ 9:04 am

  87. thanks Koychi

    Comment by sleuth2008 — 19th February 2008 @ 9:52 am

  88. Hey Otto!
    Of course I HAVE been gone through the last weekSSS(!) whith GPP but I did’nt have had the trouble you had obviously. So there is no need to snap at me.
    And sorry, but: “Ein Profi-Geschäft” ?!?
    Otto that’s ridiculous and absurd.
    All these promises at their site – the whole design and the profitrate didn’t raise any doubts at all??
    So, please, you are not a little Otto, you are accountable for your “investments”.
    And think about your tone.
    Being kind to others should be possible, even though you are disappointed and desperate.

    Comment by Socke — 19th February 2008 @ 11:15 am

  89. well SOCKE I have also worked in Germany at DESY in Hamburg, usually associalted with Prof’s or Dr’s. Nuclear research etc. clever guys, I think you should rather fit on your socks, because you would not fit in there, Otto von Bismark was completely right, I agree fully with him!!! Would you regard GPP as professional? Maybe we can help them!

    🙂

    Comment by sleuth2008 — 19th February 2008 @ 11:31 am

  90. well sleuth
    just relax like me drinking good black german coffee and having one or two pieces of excellent homemade cake.
    Life could be so easy and happiness doesn’t depend on huge sums of GPP-money 😉
    Hope that Otto will adopt some german habits…

    Comment by Socke — 19th February 2008 @ 11:47 am

  91. can somebody explain what meens exactly the postings from koychi?

    Comment by monica — 19th February 2008 @ 12:36 pm

  92. well of course today is payday-not! 19th of Feb and still no news about anything (just logged on- don’t seem to have had the same issues that everyone else has in login on). I can’t say I am surprised that this is till on going as I am sure nothing further will happen until the sign ups stop and then they will issue something like- “due to the lack of people committed to the program it has been unable to payout.” As there is a no refund once you are signed on to the program they ligitimately walk away with the sign up money.

    Wish it was otherwise but- scam scam scam scam!

    Comment by Goosey — 19th February 2008 @ 12:58 pm

  93. I think Koychi tried to locate the server(s) location used by GPP, good work just in case! No place to hide, BB is watching 🙂 !

    Stella promised to tell us about their banking solution sometime this or next week, I hope she remembers that recently she agreed that members could also have their own account into which they would pay out, in any case this makes sense because sooner or later they would need access to their money, i.e. payout, preferably their own account, foundation or trust fund with someone they trust. With the GPP solution it may be difficult to draw money at a later stage. One possible solution in Kuala Lumpur looked like an individual or group to first have to file for opening a new bank… would not trust that, could soon close again, etc., how about using a world class bank like HSBC, branches everywhere?

    Socke, Schwarzwaelder Kirschtorte hmmm, aber schwarzer Filterkaffee ist mir zu bitter! Gibts auch in Sued Afrika.

    Comment by extan — 19th February 2008 @ 1:26 pm

  94. is kind of headache when try to read the postings here…. especially post by mikecheck…

    Comment by Meck — 19th February 2008 @ 3:09 pm

  95. sleuth2008, shouldn’t everyone like themselves? This is your response (383) to my (382).

    I’ll get to the point…

    Where is the pay out? That’s not negative.

    When is the last time that Stella provided good information? That’s not negative.

    Why does her server jump from one location to another? That’s not negative.

    Why use an online bank where it is not possible to withdraw your own money? That too is not negative.

    Why are they in hiding in the first place? Not negative!

    Again, straight to the point. No negative crap. Even short enough to read!

    Come on, now,even you can’t answer any of these… Please tell me why others should not be frustrated. Simple comunication could solve this.

    Stella why don’t you have someone anwser this for us, with sugar on top. You see, I’m being nice now….

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 19th February 2008 @ 3:11 pm

  96. sleuth2008,

    By the way, I can see why this could have been construed as being negative. Yes, in one respect, perhaps it was leaning towards that direction.

    I will say that when I saw this guy say that we Americans were gullible, it did not make me happy. A statement like that, I don’t think would make anyone happy. Reminded me of this.

    Oh, on the previous post, I was not calling you Stella. This was meant a a question to her.

    On anoher note —

    Who suggests that we provide our most IMPORTANT information to an “agency” who is UNTRACIBLE!

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 19th February 2008 @ 3:36 pm

  97. Hey everyone, i have not been able to get on the GPP site for 2 weeks now, i have tried all the ways mentioned here and nothing. what is going on? cheers

    Comment by Blade68 — 19th February 2008 @ 5:39 pm

  98. Hello!can someone answer my question please?in every forum same thing happens,can you help me and say anything about it?thank you!SALT

    Comment by Salt — 19th February 2008 @ 8:05 pm

  99. Hey SALT!
    The personal data you took for your profile at GPP’s site just has to be the same that is written in your ID-documents.That’s all…
    So if you have got two nationalities and two different passports -or whatever- choose the one you want to and take care that your profile’s data is identical whith your document(copie).
    GPP -in case of payout!!! ;-)- just want to be sure that you are a real person.
    Hope that helped…

    Comment by Socke — 19th February 2008 @ 8:39 pm

  100. Hey Socke, can you access the gpp web site?

    Comment by Blade68 — 19th February 2008 @ 9:03 pm

  101. You have got to be kidding! Ha Ha… You have got to be kidding! Anonymousspeech LLC!!! What are they hiding from!

    Monica, what this means (info Koychi provided) is that this Stella is taking every step to be elusive possible! This is yet another attempt to hide (Now watch how many of Stella’s buddies here get angry about that statement)! Take a look!

    Meck, take an asprin! Tell me one thing that I’ve said that isn’t true!

    They are using a great server. No, really it is. Provides a great site builder! Something like the one… on the new Global website. —– GPP could have had a professional designer do it for them though… Especially for such a profitable company with their Billions.

    DO NOT GIVE PERSONAL INFORMATION UNTIL YOU GET SOME VALID CONFIRMATION, AN ADDRESS, AND A VALID PHONE NUMBER THAT MAY BE FOUND ON THE WEB (oh, make sure that the phone number belongs to the entity that they claim to be. I saw something on one of their sister sites where the phone number was somewhere totally unrelated)!

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 19th February 2008 @ 9:19 pm

  102. Hey Blade!
    No problem to access the GPP-Site out of Germany.
    And mike!
    You might get a heart attack if you go on like this…
    how many “policies” did you “buy” that you are posting like fury 😉

    Comment by Socke — 19th February 2008 @ 9:35 pm

  103. Thanks Socke, i am in UK and havn’t been able to get on GPP-site for 2 weeks! is there any new news on the site? cheers

    Comment by Blade68 — 19th February 2008 @ 9:44 pm

  104. Sockie,
    Ha, you are right! I have been posting pretty regularly. Also, I’m out $80.00. Yea, only $80.00. I’m not hurting at all on that. I am simply disgusted at how many people are being shammed!

    By the way, could you post the link to the GPP site? No, I don’t have a password or anything, but perhaps you could post this for everyone else… I’m sure that they would appreciate that…

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 19th February 2008 @ 10:02 pm

  105. Hey Blade!
    I think we had postings of the sensational “GPP-latest-news” here already but (again) especially for you 😉 :
    Just two new forum announcements… nothing more and not really the expected news 😉

    Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:55 am Post subject: Short Update Reply with quote
    Dear Members,

    We are preparing a more complete update for you concerning the Banking Solution. This will come out hopefully later this week!

    Please don’t email or mail us the Agreements and the ID copies yet! We don’t want or need them before the Banking Solution is ready!

    Thank you!

    Regards,Stella

    AND

    Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:29 am Post subject: ID Reply with quote
    Dear Members,

    The accepted IDs will be:

    – passport

    – driver’s license

    – birth certificate
    Birth certificate will be accepted from the members of any age who
    don’t have any other form of ID.

    – government issues photo ID card (added because of it looks like a big number of members only have this one)

    Regards,
    Stella

    …thank you stella, so generous… my head detonades

    Comment by Socke — 19th February 2008 @ 11:10 pm

  106. Socke,

    Why don’t you list the site where we can find this sensational information, or is it that we can’t access the website over here (US)? That’s funny, especially since GPP is working off of a Japanese server right now!

    Stella is sure on the move! Yea for Stella! Bet she’s working on that solution right now! Good for her!

    I’ll tell you something funny, Feb 5th she says not to send info just yet. HA! How can you send something to someone w/ no address!

    My friends, please consider the following:

    DO NOT GIVE PERSONAL INFORMATION UNTIL YOU GET SOME VALID CONFIRMATION, AN ADDRESS, AND A VALID PHONE NUMBER THAT MAY BE FOUND ON THE WEB (oh, make sure that the phone number belongs to the entity that they claim to be. I saw something on one of their sister sites where the phone number was somewhere totally unrelated)!

    To follow up… If these clowns can’t mail you something, provide you with something concrete, DON’T SEND IT! In other words, if they ask for this info through email, it’s then their second segment of the Scam!

    Must be having too much of a problem w/ this bogus banking solution.

    PROVE ME WRONG STELLA!!!

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 20th February 2008 @ 12:08 am

  107. Thank you socke!i get it!.That it is in the case if whe get more information about gpp what ever it is!other hand to much people can’t post their Id.s like that.Salt

    Comment by Salt — 20th February 2008 @ 1:03 am

  108. ok… tell me what i have to lose … living in rented accomodation .. dont own and never likely to own anything of any great value … 60 yr old disabled and living on benifuts ….what real damage can they do to me if i do give over my id … the policy was bought for me as a gift …

    Comment by curious to know — 20th February 2008 @ 1:29 am

  109. MikeCheck,
    Some of us would appreciate it if you would lighten up a bit. By now we all know where you stand with all of this. There are those that come to this forum to see questions and concerns that others are having, and for an exchange of information, but not to become bombarded with negativity that we all are experiencing within ourselves anyway. There is nothing that you have said that I am in disagreement with, but that does not mean I need it pounded into my thoughts everytime I read this blog.

    Comment by Gabriel — 20th February 2008 @ 2:47 am

  110. I feel like I’m part of one of the Jason “Bourne” movies. So much cloak and dagger, or should I say “bait and switch?” Shadowy figures appear and then dart away to work madly on “banking solutions” and other activities that just seem to be so much talk that it smells like a scam.

    “If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then I’ll bet it really is a duck.”

    Comment by downhomeguy — 20th February 2008 @ 3:55 am

  111. I got my payout..and man if feels good!

    GPP I love ya

    not

    Comment by Busting Gut — 20th February 2008 @ 4:36 am

  112. Exactly!

    Oh, Ben Seigler (the individual behind GPIT)… I have not forgotten you just yet.

    GGP and GPIT… We’ll talk…

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 20th February 2008 @ 5:18 am

  113. well mike,thanks for 3 lines, much better, you’ve heard 3 members complaining about you repeating concerns, lets give the members and GPP the best we can offer, working for one goal, to get our money!!

    Enjoy the wait….

    Comment by extan — 20th February 2008 @ 12:03 pm

  114. I don’t mind waiting extan its just the uncertainty that I don’t like. I cant get on any site. Maybe My jurisdiction is not a good one. I dunno. Keep me posted. Thank god for this site as I would feel pretty alone.

    Cant wait for the day that my brother who is mocking me about this to ask me one last time “Got your money yet” with that I told you so grin, and say Yep. Wait for the next ONE Bro. LOL

    Comment by SM — 20th February 2008 @ 2:17 pm

  115. Hey Mikie-Checker!!

    I’ll tell you something… (what a bother that my english isn’t good enough…)
    But: Why are you always interfering in dialogues whith your bugging and repeating stuff? My last posting was just an answer to Blade who didn’t get the latest “stella-announcement”.
    (my opinion: that doesn’t matter anyway… but a lesson -especially for you- about practiced friendliness 😉 )
    If I may venture a guess: here isn’t anybody around who is still interested in your font of agro-anecdotes…
    make a brake and steady your nerves so you are able to enjoy the big GPP-payout healthfully 😉

    Hanging around and waiting for millions isn’t the worst job, is it?
    (sorry…have been sarcastic I guess 😉 )

    Comment by Socke — 20th February 2008 @ 2:28 pm

  116. …oh and mikie:
    I swear their website is running as fast as an Easter bunny here in germany…
    my eyes have been got really exhausted while watching out the GPP-forum for some news…

    Comment by Socke — 20th February 2008 @ 2:36 pm

  117. Oh, Socke your grammar is so confusing. Maybe you would be better off, making a comment in the German version of this site. Maybe you already do. If so whats the web sites name??? Might comment there and get picked on for my grammar!!lol Just a little humor there!!!

    Id love to attempt German comments on a doitchland site. Even if I only speak a little German. Why not!

    Why do you have a GO at MikeCheck? Last I heard, Its a free country and we have freedom of speech.

    All I can say is you must love the Drama. Otherwise ignore what you don’t want to read. Its as simple as that.

    I mean you want to talk to someone personally then email them. Other wise let people butt in.

    YOU KNOW WHAT I think, you are ganging up, as I see that Gabriel started picking first. Pick at Stella and get her butt into gear.

    On this site we are all here, to hear, each others personal postings so, Hey, –
    Shit Happens!!!.

    Other wise ignore what you don’t like and Contribute what you can. It’s So simple!!

    I personally pray every day that what Mike thinks and his concerns are incorrect, and don’t always like to hear the negative version. But with out it I may be selling policies to unsuspecting people. At least I know, now to wait and see the proof.

    And always make sure you don’t repeat your self either With the same frustration. Cause someone may get frustrated with you and be sarcastic Or something. After all why would they do that? You didn’t take their money. Best Intentions Sammy!!!!!!!!

    If you don’t like what Mike has to say then simply don’t read it.

    I think His heart is in the right place and if he is wrong than I think that’s going to be Bloody fantastic.

    But buyer BEWARE TOO!!! I gather is all he’s saying.

    Comment by SM — 20th February 2008 @ 4:42 pm

  118. There seems to a general consensus not to send in the ID number (because of possible identity theft), (assuming we get an address from GPP or an attachment tag in your profile). As Stella reiterated we can also use our birth certificate, much safer, scan in or camera (cellphone), and save as JPG or whatever.

    Comment by extan — 20th February 2008 @ 4:49 pm

  119. just put some patience instead keep on challenging “stella” to counter your question… who knows whether she/he is the real one or some joker just using the nick “stella” to fool around and create havor? posting by mike no doubt bring out some point but is way to long… to read his posting… and bring in negative view wouldn’t help much….

    Comment by Meck — 20th February 2008 @ 4:51 pm

  120. yeah SM, long letters in this forum are really no good, distracting from the usual nice format, thats all! Just think about the compact German books with lots of useful info, then take a thick American (computer, etc) book, 15% of the content is superb and the rest is just plain padding, which do you prefer or do you just hate those bloody Germans 🙂 ?

    Comment by extan — 20th February 2008 @ 4:57 pm

  121. hey socke, thanks very much for your help. i can get on the GPP-site fine today.

    Comment by Blade68 — 20th February 2008 @ 5:35 pm

  122. SM, I was not picking on MikeCheck. As I said, I don’t disagree with one thing he has to say. In fact I feel exactly the same way that he does. Yes “Buyer Beware” is what he is trying to get across. We got it!!!

    Comment by Gabriel — 20th February 2008 @ 6:38 pm

  123. SM!
    I think you missed some of the postings before but I forgive you. 😉
    And to be honest with you, I just take this forum to train my bad grammar and you should be soft on me because of that.
    (Beware! Humor!!)
    And no, I can’t see any reason to change to a german forum. I’s more fun to be here with you. The whole GPP-thing is sad enough.
    As well I can’t see any reason why YOU have a GO at ME now because I totally agree with you. Freedom of speech…free country…blabla…
    (at the end it’s because I’m german, that’s ok with me 😉 Humor again!)
    But “drama” ?
    No, thanks. Mikies daily drama is enough drama for the whole forum.
    So remember your friendly advice “ignore what you don’t like”.
    Perhaps we can return to the subject…

    Comment by Socke — 20th February 2008 @ 6:49 pm

  124. I agree socke, with you and thanks for forgiving me too. I forgive you for thinking its because your German. Goodness I’m not upset at Your being German, or your Grammar for that matter..

    I guess I was just trying to make a point and that is, We shouldn’t pick on each other cause We don’t like it our selves.

    My whole CONCEPT in that message was to show every one just how It feels to have some one pick on your postings, Like you all seemed to be doing to MikeCheck. I WAS MAKING A POINT (or at least trying too)

    Guess you didn’t get my point.!!!!

    Cause your German Oh,! I have to Say that Blew me away. (Sorry thats the impression you got). Gosh!

    I will have to read a ways back to see if Mike is being nice to every one I guess.

    I think you are all great and don’t like to hear you picking on each other. And Lets get back to the point as you say Socke The subject at hand.

    Still am nice Sammy!!!

    I guess there is no new postings then!!

    Comment by SM — 21st February 2008 @ 3:04 am

  125. once again, if it looks like shit, smells like shit, feels like shit, and even tastes like shit. Then it’s shit. It doesn’t turn into sweet chocolate pudding if just stay positive…

    Comment by Rokka — 21st February 2008 @ 3:06 am

  126. Everyone,

    This may be somewhat extended, but I would like to address some questions/concerns noted towards myself…

    I appologize for what is being seen as undue negativity. At this point, it is true that “what is done, is done”. I will also say that, yes, it is my opinion that we have been had. I would ask… Is it wrong to inform your fellow man of possible mishandling of their hard earned money?

    Gabriel,
    I can apprecaite that you agree with me on this topic. Indeed I would like to say “buyer beware”. Perhaps it is seen as continual rambeling… I’d ask Stella however, as this segment of the program is supposedly CLOSED, why are there still contracts being sold?

    Courious to know,
    60 is now the new 50. To say that you have nothing to lose, is something that actually, do not agree with. Even if you will never have any further expenses or need for exellent credit, why provide your information an unverified location? You know, even if credit is no longer a concern, why allow crooks to destroy what you have established for all of these years? Take this into consideration, even babies are having their ID’s stolen and accruing debts before even the 1st grade. I’m sure that we would all agree that this is simply wrong! Would you like not to provide these crooks with the ability to obtain ill gotten gains on your credit for ANY reason?

    SM and others,
    Might I also say that I appreciate your suport. I’d also like to than those who are not downing me for my opinion.

    Meck,
    Yes, at times these are long posts, but this after all, is a message board for goodness sake! Why should I not challenge Stella to answer the questions that I’ve asked? Take the into consideration the questions in my post 394 for example. I’d ask if she would dare answer any of these questions? Someone said that she DID view this page… I really hope that he, she or them is.

    I’d also ask how much longer are we expected to wait! We surely realize how VERY many times we have been put of while waiting for a baking solution. Dare I say that this will go into March?

    My friends, don’t get me wrong… I surely want to be wrong. I really really do. Belive me I would be the first to admit my previous negativity and call myself wrong. I simply would like others to be cognisant of these possible pending losses/stealing of money.

    Lastly, I would like to ask, why was there a previous request for information to be provided within a small window? If it takes an eternity to get a solution, how would GPP handle these thousands of personal information submittals? If there are so very many people working on this solution shouldn’t it be done already? At this rate how many actually believe that you’d recieve your moneys in a timely fashion? This mearly a question. Hopefully this is not taken wrong.

    Again, I truly hope for the best.

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 21st February 2008 @ 3:27 am

  127. Rokka,

    Just read your post and had a laugh, a good one in fact. I’ll bet that you know that I agree w/ you.

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 21st February 2008 @ 3:34 am

  128. What a bummer that shit can’t turn into pudding! Or can it? Guess we wait and see now. Stranger things have happened.

    I hope you are reading this Stella, cause we are all just really mad at you and your team I don’t think its at each other at all.

    If we could talk to you we wouldn’t be on each others case all the time.

    You disappear right when you promised to deliver. It’s out of our control, but its our money. Every single person here and in the GPP deserves their payout when promised.

    And that my friends is the simple truth of it.

    Comment by SM — 21st February 2008 @ 4:08 am

  129. If any of you dead brains think you are gunna get paid out how about you come work for me please!!!!!!!

    I know folk in the uk who should know better but of course it’s the old GREED factor.
    Send £30 to my pension plan please dummies….hahaha

    Comment by john — 21st February 2008 @ 4:10 am

  130. MikeCheck,

    how do you think should we get our bank account info etc. quickly to Stella and Co.? Using SNAIL post or should they send it to NOWHERE, shoot into heaven, whatever????? You do not seem to understand that such info needs to be supplied anyway and processed by GPP once they give us their Address, whatever. Providing this info (attached)in our “all in one” profiles would certaily be the quickest and then we are sure they have access to it and they could preserve their beloved secret stuff! Agreed, it is a big job and that would take some days, hope Stella gets help, no way to finish in Feb! Better for St. to just slip in a note in this forum to say she’s 50% through, etc.

    Mike, about your long letters, Sammy seems to love them so maybe send right to down under, marry her, etc. 🙂 . Long letters are usually emotional and often repeat what has already been said, so they are really really shitttttttt!!!! You do not seem to get the message?? I better stop here, before I start to swear! F

    Comment by fed-up — 21st February 2008 @ 8:48 am

  131. to john, you have to be in it to win it. no need to be rude, will you feel as cocky if gpp do pay out?

    Comment by Blade68 — 21st February 2008 @ 5:23 pm

  132. John,
    Ever so often in life, one has the unfortunate task of having to encounter one such as yourself. Someone willing to call individuals, that he has never met, “dummies”. And just because they dared to take a chance at something out of the norm. Is it errogance on your part that you would belittle others for that? Or do you just like to see your childish feelings posted onb the internet? I have no idea if GPP is going to payout and if I had to guess I would probably say that it won’t. But when all is said and done I know that I would be able to get over the fact that I lost a few bucks on a gamble easier than I could get over not risking a few bucks on something that paid out big. Here’s hoping that you find something better to do with your time than criticizing others.

    Comment by Gabriel — 21st February 2008 @ 6:03 pm

  133. Good for you Gabriel, Well said!

    I think we will all be very happy soon. So John, eat your heart out!

    Stella made promises, and I am sure she will keep it and not disappoint 100,000 people who trusted in her.

    Be positive. Bless GPP every day for a positive outcome. Our positive attitudes can make a difference!

    Be happy and know in your heart that what your mind can conseve, you can achieve!

    Comment by JL — 21st February 2008 @ 9:46 pm

  134. Hmmmm; it’s now the 21st of the month and I notice a strange alck of postings by “Stella.” Has anyone read any posting on any site from her? I am supposed to call my father (sad story there) and find out what the new updates are. I guess he has access to some website with a password. Through that site he is able to supposedly get updates on the G.P.P. process.

    Comment by downhomeguy — 21st February 2008 @ 9:49 pm

  135. Hey everyone, there is a new post just came on the gpp site but i cant put it on here for some reason!

    its from stella saying we dont need to press the active member button.

    Comment by Blade68 — 21st February 2008 @ 11:22 pm

  136. Hi Socke!you do say things right!,if is here freedow to speak,why that ‘german lol’coment?I am to from other country and don’t speak english well too.I am curios to know what happen in every forum that speaks about gpp.Make m,thanks for the info,ok you think it is a scam,is there more info about that?,questions?etc…like i say before,if is not comunication,every body get nervous and start to do what are you doin here!I remember that when a came here with a question,that one was answer by Socke and even after so much drama text,socke read and answer,thanks to you!,it doesn’t mean that you are stupid if your want to know something about gpp,after all,in the right time and with all kind of info every one will do what ever they believe.Mike give us info why you think is that a scam,info,etc…or other why not,facts and save the Drama out here,it’s to much of that allready on tv and makes info stuff not very professional, helpfull and serius to read,endeed fact info never is credible if you make a joke from that.Than you all here for the great info you doing!Regards Salt

    Comment by Salt — 22nd February 2008 @ 2:37 am

  137. Fed-up,

    If you feel that you must swear, you have my permission do so if it will make you feel better. In fact, you can anything that you want. It’s not going to hurt me. It is the insulting of others that should be of concern to you…

    Allow me to continue… Now if you feel that you have to send your information to Stella, be my guest. Why don’t you walk to your nearst gas station and give it to someone that you don’t know. If you’ll note, it has many similarities to our situation. We don’t know them, we don’t have their address, and don’t know their phone number. Funny enough, I don’t think that he/she will provide me with any money.

    Yes, I’m still remaining positive, but I’m also, now being carefull.

    Concered for your fellow man in getting this info to stella huh? To tell the truth, I don’t think that she has the fortitude to provide an address. Now that I mention an address, this Stella and Ben provided an address once before. Guess where it lead? A two family duplex! Can you guess wheter of not if I had a laugh? The answer begins with a YES. – You said something of sending info to Nowhere… Well, I’d say that this would be similar.

    You mentioned a big job… Hope she get’s help… I thought that she already had this help and that this should be completed by the end of February. Why don’t you find out for us if we’ll be jacked into another month as I suggested might happen earlier THIS month? By the way what makes you think that she can’t finish this, this month? Hmmmm….

    Ha! Long letters distracting. OK, I’ll shorten them in respect to the repeating of questions (eventhough no one can’t anser ANY of them). I’ll simply reference the previous questions. For example the questions that I asked in post 278, 326 or even 405. I won’t even repeat post 360 referring to good ole’ Ben! Thanks buddy, great idea. I’ll just reference these from now on… A real time saver I’d say.

    Ok, perhaps I don’t get the message, but I have one that I’ll continue to provide… Buyer beware. I’d also suggest that no further information be provided till we get an address. If so inclined at that point, I’d say that this would be one step in the right direction. What do you think of that? I think that you could appreciate that. I’m also looking out for you, whether you believe this or not…

    My friends, asking for an address cannot be this much of a problem. For goodness sake, I’d not even use it except for verification of the location. I’m sure that this would be something easy for Stella to provide! This time I’m not even asking for that elusive phone number. I would think that everyone would appreciate that little bone from Stella. I could appreciate this. Wouldn’t you?

    Long post yet again. Sorry, kind of. Well, not really. At the same time, I don’t think that this post was too emotional.

    Again, though I may sound negative, I’m trying to remain positive. As for myself, yes this additional money could go a long way towards many things.

    Stella, Ben and/or others, Please prove me wrong. Shut me up! I’d appreciate you doing so. We all have a few questions that you could easily answered. Instead of further elusive, non-informational statements, tell us something..

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 22nd February 2008 @ 3:09 am

  138. Salt,

    I mean not to provide drama. I’m only asking if a question or two could be ansered by Stella. Surely even you must have taken note of this, non caring for her/their members.

    Are you concerned about this non comunication?

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 22nd February 2008 @ 3:24 am

  139. It is a while since I last posted a comment on this blog… however, I continue to monitor the postings – and personally, I am disgusted that this forum has denigrated into a “mud slinging”, repetitive, inane platform of postings, which is not achieving anything of substance… particularly from “mikecheck” who is bloating matters out of complete proportion with his “hot air balloons” of rantings. And also that of Ben… are you a member? or just expressing opinions, a “perceived pessimistic view”. You are yet to be proved right or wrong… don’t be a party pooper. You may yet have your day in due course.

    Folks, if you are in the programme, just be patient, it is now a “waiting game”. There is nothing any one can do, but just “sit pat” and wait for matters to unfold. All the ranting and ravings will only fill up empty space and serve as an outlet to air one’s frustrations.

    Remember, you joined the programme voluntary, whether “gifted” or otherwise. What do you really have to loose… only the amount you or someone else “invested” in your future, not the amount of your potential accumulated end benefit. You took a chance, just as one does when purchasing other opportunities of chance in the hope that that elusive financial windfall would come to you. The odds are always stacked against us… but we continue to invest, don’t we?

    And YES! we are all frustrated and understandably angry that GPP Trust Partners have failed to deliver on specific targets and other matters associated with closure and fulfillment of the programme… but for all we know, it maybe for genuine reasons… we can only wait and see. Cynical assumptions, bridled with skeptizm, are just that.

    The very best thing you can do in this world of negativity in which we live, is not let ourselves be pulled into the black hole of despair, but rather keep pulling people back to reality and telling them to focus instead of what they want, because our thoughts are very powerful and the more we think negative thoughts, the more we will attract negative outcomes. It seems like pretty simple math to me…You can choose to think positively about what YOU want and receive it, or you can choose to think negatively and continue to live in an ongoing world of negativity, fear and loss. This change of mind is instantaneous.

    In closing, mikecheck and Ben, in particular, please do us all a favor, and contain your thoughts to a more positive attitude… you have aired your opinions adequately to express your own opinions and frustrations in and about the GPP programme.

    No one from GPP will respond in this forum (and why should they?).

    It was clearly stated to existing members in the GPP Forum, that all information concerning the programme, would be posted in the Members Forum. So if you don’t want to see the programme out, buttout, shutup, and allow those who remain positive to see the programme through to the end… the future is yet to unfold and hopefully prove to be bountiful to the faithful positive members.

    Remember… Never give up in the face of extreme adversity… that is what has won wars for free countries… “fulfillment of dreams do oft come true”.

    Comment by Ocka — 22nd February 2008 @ 5:30 am

  140. Hi Ocka,

    Thank you for your positive input.

    There is much thought for food contained in your posting and a pleasure to read something from an inteligent felow human being for a change!

    Please everyone, stop the negative postings. We who believe in a positive outcome for GPP don’t want to hear your sobbing.

    MIKE CHECK, stop being so emotional and PLEASE shorten your ramblings. It is SO FRUSTRATING to have to struggle through such lengthy negative minefields that you create!!

    Comment by JLL — 22nd February 2008 @ 6:32 am

  141. Ocka

    Well said, I couldnt agree with you more!

    Comment by AB — 22nd February 2008 @ 7:43 am

  142. Although I’m really done up by reading all the “toilet paper postings” I have to say:
    At first I’m glad to see that the tone is getting more civilized and Ocka!!!
    I couldn’t agree with you more!
    I’ve tried to express that (much shorter) before and capitulated after two or three postings.
    Maybe my english was too bad 😉
    And again: I really hope that joyment of life for you all doesn’t depend on huge sums of GPP-money!
    But: I’ll spend my weekend in switzerland and I will clean out my swiss bank account…you never can tell 😉
    So remember what they told us!
    Don’t forget to press the member button again and again even it’s not “activ” maybe it helps…
    Ich drück alle Daumen!

    Comment by Socke — 22nd February 2008 @ 8:43 am

  143. Salt!
    especially for you…have a nice weekend and:
    I like your english and your grammar… 😉

    Comment by Socke — 22nd February 2008 @ 8:59 am

  144. Hello

    Well seems like this is a big discussion,whitout any solution,since nobody knows her right name,phone,adress os anything how can you get hold of her in this way
    But when the patience is gone there is another solution,and we will catch her and make her forfill her commitments in one way or another,that is for sure
    We only use our contacts around the world in some special environments and we will be in touch with theese people ,but for now and for a little bit of time we must wait and see

    Comment by dina — 22nd February 2008 @ 12:35 pm

  145. Ocka wrote:

    “In closing, mikecheck and Ben, in particular, please do us all a favor, and contain your thoughts to a more positive attitude”

    Ocka, I think you’ll agree that I have been very fair in allowing a range of varied opinions to be posted on this blog. I have only censored 2 posts, both of which were personal attacks that had no place here.

    I also had to edit a post which contained referral links to a very dubious looking “investment” program.

    Looking back over your posts I can see that I have let a lot of blatant promotion remain on the post, especially of GPP.

    My own personal opinion of GPP is it nothing more than a clever money-grabbing con. I have tried to stop people wasting money and time by joining it – hopefully I have saved some people from losing money.

    You, on the other hand, have promoted this “program” for many months now and, from the look of your website, you are still promoting it.

    That’s fine, it’s your reputation after all.

    However, if you want this blog post to remain fair then you must accept that myself, MikeCheck and others will continue to express our opinion which is a polar opposite opinion to yours.

    As far as I am concerned, there was never anything positive to say about the Global Pension Plan. It was always extremely far-fetched and is almost certainly illegal in many countries (including the UK).

    Comment by Ben — 22nd February 2008 @ 1:26 pm

  146. Okka,

    One point that I was trying to make is to possible new members. I do not want others to get into this until payout. At this point, they’d receive no benefit, right? Who think’s that it makes sense for others to get into a closed program?

    GPP won’t responding, or taking the easyway out and not repond?

    I’ll respond later with positive notes on the program.

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 22nd February 2008 @ 2:21 pm

  147. Wel thanks Ben for having us on this forum, because most websites like GPP act somewhat like Hitlr and Mussoli, Fidel just stopped it 🙂 you know what I mean, but if one looks closely at this forum it is abused quite a bit, really sad! We all know who abuses this forum as if it belongs to them alone, talking mostly unintelligent crap, lines and lines and lines, need I name them? AND ONE PARTICULAR GUY JUST DOES NOT GET THE MESSAGE… nothing to do with freedom of speech, this is writing, good writing is concise and genius is simlicity itself!

    We all know that Stella and Co act utterly unprofessional, their lack of communication leaves much to be desired, but strangely some of that brand of humans are doing damn good business, did you see those products that are advertised in bad English, but work well! So maybe just wait a bit, there could be a surprise very soon, so hold your horses, but if they would try to pull a fast one on us, they know they will meet the full force of 100K + ingenious humans, count me in!!!!!

    Comment by extan — 22nd February 2008 @ 2:25 pm

  148. interesting, I tried to paste in here the last entry in GPP that Stella wrote, seems to be rejected by the moderator??????

    Comment by extan — 22nd February 2008 @ 2:38 pm

  149. tried 3 times, no luck so Ben boycots GPP!

    Comment by monster — 22nd February 2008 @ 2:43 pm

  150. What does the last entry in GPP by Stella say?

    Comment by Gabriel — 22nd February 2008 @ 3:05 pm

  151. “tried 3 times, no luck so Ben boycots GPP!”

    Heh – I realise it looks that way but it isn’t true, honest!

    I haven’t had any comments come through so there must be a word in the post that is in the “blacklist”. Certain words used by comment spammers are blacklisted and result in the comment being deleted.

    If you email me the post (ben @ bencatt.com) I will post it up here for you (and also find out why it isn’t being posted).

    Thanks

    Comment by Ben — 22nd February 2008 @ 4:32 pm

  152. Hi,
    Can anybgody give me a clue why I cannot login to the GPP site from home, while it’s smooth sailing from my office – located in the same town? Something to do with IPnrs, cookies??
    Thanks
    Juan

    Comment by Juan — 22nd February 2008 @ 7:22 pm

  153. The GPP post (thanks to Blade!):

    Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:58 pm
    Post subject: Active Member-button

    “Dear Member,

    If the Active Member-button still exists in your profile even after clicking it, please worry not!

    There is no need to click the button anymore, not for the already existing members nor the new members who might sign up from now on until the closure of the program. This means that you can click it if you so feel, but you don’t have to!

    If there isn’t an Active Member-button in your profile, don’t worry about that either! You have most probably clicked it already!

    Thank you!

    Regards,
    Stella”

    Comment by Ben — 22nd February 2008 @ 10:14 pm

  154. …….almost certainly illegal in many countries (including the UK). Hi Ben could you tell what laws the plan violates … i am not disputing what you say just would like to know so i can check up for my own protection

    Comment by curious to know — 22nd February 2008 @ 11:14 pm

  155. Is it true 1 out of 10 of these RPP’s are real?

    Now to determine if GPP is the real one or perhaps It’s World Pension Plus?

    ???

    Comment by rocket — 23rd February 2008 @ 12:05 am

  156. “Hi Ben could you tell what laws the plan violates”

    Sure, but first:

    We’re all adults here – and you know I’m no solicitor or accountant or policeman or whatever… What I am trying to say here is that this is my take on the GPP scheme from research…

    ** IT IS NOT THE GOSPEL TRUTH ACCORDING TO SOME HIGHER POWER **

    First of all, I believe that GPP is a multi-level marketing plan. It has to adhere to certain regulations in the UK which it does not.

    Secondly, it should be registered with the Financial Services Authority in the UK and it certainly IS NOT!

    Thirdly, it shares several characteristics with point 30 of this report from the Serious Fraud Office:

    Combating Prime Bank and High-Yield Investment Fraud

    I don’t knock this ‘program’ for fun. I wrote the initial report and encouraged comments on this blog in the hope that it would stop people from wasting their money on GPP.

    I sincerely hope that people don’t just blindly send off their ID to these strangers.

    Comment by Ben — 23rd February 2008 @ 12:08 am

  157. Hi Mike ch!Yes your right that comunication doesn’t work and makes people nervous and i understand too that other people still positive,every body should ask for info or any important’agreemend mather’ to some one professional,after you know every detail,you! only you will or not take the change or take the scam,whe are adults here,am i right?The IDcopies?if you trust like that without any info from them,that’s your risk and your family members too.I wan’t too that they will paid us like any one here,allso don’t understand that silence.Mike,Stella don’t read here,she has not time about it that’s for sure,that’s why no one even ask for her here!.To socke!thanks for the coment,trying here to make my self understandable =)) and regards to you!.And for every body in here,have a nice weekend and i hope at last,that my gramma makes you SMILE! =))

    Comment by Salt — 23rd February 2008 @ 12:46 am

  158. Ocka, JLL, AB, Socke & Salt,

    You are all concerned with the fact that I have posted negative postings involving GPP. Well, can any of you tell me what positive you have to say about the program? I mean, you are all so especially positive on the program. If you could, please tell me, no tell us, why anyone should believe in this scam? I mean, like the only responses that I have been provided come to some vague reason why we should remain positive and not negative! Someone, anyone, please tell me why we should belive in this program other than this nonsense of blind faith in a company that aparently is attempting to illude us all.

    Might I alo ask, why the use of several servers, no address, no communication, and goodness sake, no website! Now that’s one for the books! This site provides safety for the money which we have invested huh? The site CANNOT even stay open! What’s the deal there? The programers have hit the road? Someone said that I was being unprofessional. On a note of professionalism, which make a true difference to us all, is why the non professional website? WHAT is this nonsense of telling us not to worry if the site does not work properly? So, we’ve already pressed this button. That is a SAD excuse to say that the site is not working. I’ll not laugh, as this is not funny. This again, is not negativity. Sounds like fact to me.

    O.K., a negative post again, as would be said. This is not negative. I’ve mearly stated facts! I’ve posed several questions to Stella and Co. NOT ONE HAS BEEN ANSWERED, and no one else can provide answer! Again NOT ONE HAS BEEN ANSWERED!!!!!!!!!

    Ocka,
    You stated that I am only filling empty space… Well, the space is empty. Let’s fill it up! You asked what do we have to loose. I’d say something like our money? This quest of mine, is also to prevent this from happening to to others.

    You also made mention as to the fact that Stella does not read these posts. Well on Feb 1st. it seems like she did to me…

    Oh, by the way, you also asked, why would GPP answer anyone in this forum… Now how would you know that? Hmmm… Well if Stella reads these post’s, and I’m sure that she does, why not answer? I tend to think that it’s not that she can’t. I think it that she won’t. Why you ask? Because she has NO answer that will provide a positive, should I say true response. After all, she posted something on Feb 1st didn’t she?

    You asked me, I don’t want to see the end of the program, get out! I believe that is what you said… Now tell me, even if I wanted to get out, how could I do that? Yes, how would I get those dollars back? Quite honestly, I’d trully be interested to know. I’m sure that others would also like to know… Not that we’d actually do it.

    I’d like to ask, you all;
    1) Do you belive that GPP should continue to accept contracts?
    2) Do you believe that this will contine into March? Please don’t provide a lame answer like “we are working on a solution” or “it will take time to process all of these contracts” – You hear that Stella?

    I’d really like to know your thoughts on those. In fact I’m sure that everyone would. I’m not calling anyone out. I’m just curious.

    My friends, I’m not talking about my money. As I’ve mentioned before, I’m talking about other’s new money that might come into the program.

    Ocka, JLL, AB, Socke & Salt, wouldn’t you all agree with me, that no more contracts should be taken until this has paid out?

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 23rd February 2008 @ 5:11 am

  159. Members.

    I meant to mention some positive facts about this program… Hmmm, well, Um…. Well, you’ve got me!

    That was just a bit of humor…

    Seriously, some positive facts, I’ve learned of this program are more like positive lessions;
    If it is too good to be true, it probably is.
    Questionable practices, provides questionalbe results (have’t seen any yet).
    Base your dealings with companies on past performance. For example, if you are going to have a wood floor lain in your house, you’d try to find someone with a good reputation.

    Not bad positive notes I’d say…

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 23rd February 2008 @ 5:34 am

  160. Hi Mike!Honestly,i’m not the perfect one to ask your questions,you see,i never paid for one pension,i got it from a gift from a friend who really believe so much,that’s why i have to be kind to my friend and get information to her,maybe opens her eyes more,but adult she is,so i can’t push any one.Mike,i meen that a good fihter have to stay focus and don’t loose a nerve,you will think better and clearly.Y agree that the agreemend sucs,it is not legal in my country,allso many other thinks don’t look quite nice endeed.I have curiosity what next will happen?what people gonna do?can whe do something about it?is there a internacional business law who take care about same cases of scam ‘If’ that is one?,by the way,why all people think that Stella is from Finland?the interwie of moneymakers perhaps?you can’t believe every thing you read people,why when i read from this country never find a word about it,but of course the financial press tells us about a scam?to many questions and no answers.I just read and wait and get informed,more i can’t do,i have kids to take care and never people should bring home, money stress to kids.And positive facts,perhaps learn to be more carefull with any thing and allways get informed before a get in any business and make sure my kids too.More countracts?NO WAY,first they have to paid out,that’s my opinion…Have a nice weekend MikeM. and all of you!! =)

    Comment by Salt — 23rd February 2008 @ 7:39 am

  161. BB and some goverments and financial strongmen do not want us to have lots of money, because then they can’t manipulate us and suck us dry! It is common knowledge that the rich take from the poor, the rich pay less tax, get lots of perks, etc. the poor just suffer, but have good friends and smile: they can only get richer!

    If you accept this as a basic truth, then you know how GPP functions, but whatever you think, we have lots of power in our numbers and GPP knows it. I think in terms of psychology and if you read between the lines, Stella and Co. are still with us and they certainly have some compassion, lets not kill it, a few more weeks… so what, the end result counts!

    MikeCheck you keep repeating yourself, Stella will not answer your letters, maybe rather get your nappy (or diaper if American) on, because you act like a selfish\ignorant child!!!

    Comment by extan — 23rd February 2008 @ 8:58 am

  162. MikeCheck… Clearly I have made my position quite clear. Your further postings only confirm my previous comments regarding your repetitive and mundane postings. As I stated previously… all matters pertaining to the GPP programme – will be posted in the Membership Forum… the correct place to do so.

    You can continue to air hypothetical questions in this blog… but nothing will come out it… except to release your frustrations and continue to create negativity. We all have concerns about certain elements associated with the programme, but hey! it was own individual choice, or someone of good intention, that we are now involved… and again, it is an individual choice to commit to further involvement.

    I have made it quite clear on my website, that at best, “it is an element of risk opportunity” and prior to joining, every effort should be made to do ones own due diligence. And prior to enrolling a new member, again, I stress that point to them.

    Those of us who have made a commitment to be involved… all that can be asked, “is to be patient, keep calm” “sit pat” and wait… all will be revealed in due course… and hopefully, it will all be positive.

    And those of you who are not committed to the programme… please, please, donot continue to post disparaging comments… for all you know, you may yet be proved wrong. Assumptions are but Assumptions, and can only be viewed as such… whether they be based on educational, hypothetical or informed values… and until proved, one way or the other, in the due course of time, all will be revealed.

    Should my judgment be proved incorrect… I will wear the “egg on my face” but I will certainly not “cry over the spilt milk”. It was my choice to accept the risk factor… I stand to loose many $$$$$’s because of my generosity to gift members of my family, friends and those were less fortunate than myself, or who had done me a good turn, or who I considered needed financial support… and I am only an Aged Pensioner. More fool you, you might say… Yes! I am an entrepreneur with a huge, but humble heart filled with compassion to give… but it was my choice.

    Never despair folks… dreams do oft come true… and so until the “dead horse takes it’s final breath” remain positive. Remember, Churchill faced impossible odds on all fronts, with extreme negativity from within his own country and Parliament – did he give in? And had he done so, would our world be as it is today?

    Comment by ocka — 23rd February 2008 @ 9:26 am

  163. Hello all of you

    If everybody are sure this is a scam,then the solution is easy if you really want to do something about it

    with our contacts inside different money transfer companies like WU and so on ,it is easy to find who has picked up money sent to GPP and if they are to confront some of our people,they will for sure lead us to the people behind this system

    They will have no ther option,seriously I konw this from earlier experience in this matters

    As the choosen guys stand in front of the person nicknamed Stella,she will find money to pay out
    there will be no other option,so just wait for another 2 or 3 weeks and if they do not deliever ,we will of course make them deliever in our way

    Comment by dina — 23rd February 2008 @ 1:10 pm

  164. [Edit by Ben: Warning, this post contains a link to MMG – a board that is well known for allowing the promotion of various so-called “investment” schemes. Please be careful if you decide to follow the link]

    http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Global-Pension-Plan-www-t37583.html&st=4995 – I found this comments site and I have to say they sound worse than us, with getting nasty toward each other and I feel terrible of some comments that I myself have made and that of others. Even ones to Stella because unless she totally disappears we have nothing to really worry about.

    Have a read and you will feel just like I did. Sad.

    Good news maybe just around the corner.

    Lets keep faith and hope. Keep on helping each other with info, we are all hoping for the same thing. Cheers!!!

    Comment by SM — 23rd February 2008 @ 1:42 pm

  165. Here are the facts.
    1. The sun rises in the east and sets in the west
    2. What goes up must eventually come down
    3. I love my children
    4. We don’t know if GPP is going to payout. All we can do is hope
    against what seems logical
    5. MikeCheck will disregard what everyone is saying and post a long
    repetitive rambling

    Man oh man!!!

    Comment by Gabriel — 23rd February 2008 @ 2:25 pm

  166. I guess for me, it’s not the negativity. Negative or positive. Who wants to read the same thing over and over again?

    Comment by Gabriel — 23rd February 2008 @ 2:28 pm

  167. Ha Ha Ha Ha… You have got to be kidding!!!… I mean you have really got to be kidding! Now, I wasn’t sure that there could have been some affiliation with some members receiving benefits from this program. Have I been provided with an answer?

    Extan,
    Now could you tell me just why these governments, financial strongmen, and Bogy men, don’t want us to make money? Now that is a good one….

    Well Extan, I really cannot accept unknown function of GPP as a basic truth. If GPP has so much power why be concerned with others? Why must we read between the lines when a statement from Stella, or anyone with real info can SO easily provide it?

    I’ll agree100% with you however that the end result is all that matters! Stella won’t answer huh? You know of a site where i can ask this question to her? Perhaps something other than that inoperative website?

    Wearing a diaper, being selfish, you saying that I’m ignorant! Well all of that sounds pretty ignorant to me. Sounds like someone is getting angry. I’ll not even participate in mud slinging.

    Ocka,
    I appreciate the acknowledgement of my position. Ok. hypothetical questions… Funny… Not one of them sounds hyothetical to me… Not one! These are clearly based upon fact, which can easily be asked and seen. Hypothetical means, WHAT IF. What I’ve noted is quite clear and apparent.

    If my coments seem disparaging, I’m sorry. I do not mean for my words to seem that way. I’ll attempt to correct that… Indeed if your judgement is incorrect, there will be no need to wear egg on your face. I too, know others that have lost quite a bit of money (I mean to say who have invested lots of money), involving others in this program. Yes the intent there is there to provide benfit to others. A very worthy and compassionate jesture.

    Could you help me in understanding something… Most of us realized some risk. Many have stayed calm whether afraid to think otherwise or not. That is O.K. As for us with concerns however, why are they not addressed? How much hope, how much time, should members be expected to wait? March is quickly approaching for a deal that should have been completed back in November or earlier! Indeed, that’s not an assuption but a fact.

    Yes, dreams do come true. I too hope that this program will benefit us all! Now why must this horse be almost dead? We did not enter this program to run a race on a practically dead horse. Also, why must our odds be impossible. Beforehand they sounded pretty good…

    All,
    As said before, what is done is done. I’m remaining hopeful, and waiting on a positive result. I’m simply saying, yes, once again, that others should not be joining this program until the payout comes. We all agree with that right? Extan, Ocka, wouldn’t you agree?

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 23rd February 2008 @ 5:41 pm

  168. hi Dina,
    I hear what you say, maybe soon we need more of your kind, hope you have sharp teeth and awesome fingernails 🙂 … do including my girlfriend JLL and myself! I hope GPP will take serious note and pay out unless they are THICK like MC.

    Someone from GPP seems to read this forum, but will not publish or answer letters here, so maybe be friendly and support their endeavour coupled with measured warnings, that surely will help if we all support a practical strategy.

    And Gabriel rightly predicted, man o man o man:
    5. MikeCheck will disregard what everyone is saying and post a long
    repetitive rambling

    the next one will surely come, man o man o man!!!!!!!!!!!

    Thanks for progessive thoughts that bring resuts!

    Comment by extan — 23rd February 2008 @ 7:54 pm

  169. OK Extan, I saw this from a totally different msg board… Makes you go hmmmm…

    —————–

    I haven’t said GPP is a scam.
    I HAVE said that Chicosan is a fraud. Perhaps that leads some to believe that what he says about GPP and Stella.has not been 100%

    However, the members are in a precarious position, in that , sending multiple payments from their accounts to several differing recipients in eastern Europe or Africa, could be seen as an attempt to hide money-laundering activities, and, as you know, the name you put on those payments had nothing to do with Stella. The traceable part only comes back to you.

    Both Chicosan and Stella are well-aware of the AML laws, which is why Chicosan pretends to not notice what I wrote about them, and has no response. I dare say, this was a purposeful act, to leave the members holding the bag should anything happen.

    Stella has covered her own butt, by not allowing you to have her name, address or any information that can actually tie her to the movement of over $5,000,000.
    Now, since the first trust partners disappeared, she had to go to Kuala Lumpur to find more? Do you think they’d be that hard to find if TEP’s are traded regularly in the UK, as they are?

    I apologize if you find my posts tedious, but life isn’t all sweetness and light. It’s sometimes dark and rotten. I’m tired of reading Chicosan’s obnoxious non-answers and outright bullying to serious and well-thought out questions. If the police turn up at your door to question you about your money-laundering cartel, with your GPP check in their hands, then that will be a dark and rotten day for you. Won’t it?

    ——————-

    Can another non anwer also be presented to this forum?

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 23rd February 2008 @ 8:13 pm

  170. [Edit by Ben: Warning, this post contains a link to MMG – a board that is well known for allowing the promotion of various so-called “investment” schemes. Please be careful if you decide to follow the link]

    My friends,

    I am very sad to find that the board I reffered to just now has somewhat confirmed the status of scam. Very sad about this.

    You know I refferenced the continual additional members coming in. Also no answer? I saw that this was asked there. The answer…. it was you know “answered but not answered” as usual.

    As I am such a trouble maker, please view this forum, starting around Feb 14 – 20th. Very sad how these same members on this board have played us as they attempted on the other.

    Members,
    This is why I ask that no further monies be sent. Please provide them with no further benefit. They should not need these small contracts, especially since they should be focusing on these millions that should be “paid out” in the next couple of days… Wait a minute, I said that in early February. Guess I’m supposed to say a couple of months from now, right?

    http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Global-Pension-Plan-www-t37583.html&st=4890

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 23rd February 2008 @ 8:54 pm

  171. The whole of these reverse pension scams are based upon a fallacy that such policies can be traded profitably. This is not so, as any insurance professional will tell you. Also, the myth that such highly profitable trades take place regularly amongst the wealthy is just that, a myth.
    Without wishing to denigrate those who have already donated to the cause, apart from the loss of a few Euros, the main problem is that you are contributing to a crime. This applies very much to those who promote such schemes, probably with the best possible intentions, but it does make them undeniably an accessory.
    Much talk is made of due diligence – but it is not possible to perform due diligence on a company that has no address, no telephone or fax and whose sole means of communication is through an ethereal person by the name of Stella operating through an anonymous E-Mail address.

    Comment by Owen Platt — 23rd February 2008 @ 9:03 pm

  172. Owen,

    Well said. Are you aware of any platforms that we could use to tear down this scam?

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 23rd February 2008 @ 9:08 pm

  173. We are so close to the end of the month. Let’s just step back, take a deep breath and wait. Soon we will know whether this is indeed a scam (though the evidence seems to point that way), or a really novel way of making money (transfer of wealth). March will soon arrive and then we will either have an answer, or some wonderfully worded reason for the “month-to-month” phrase of a previous posting.

    Comment by downhomeguy — 23rd February 2008 @ 10:37 pm

  174. 440. “The whole of these reverse pension scams are based upon a fallacy that such policies can be traded profitably.”

    there is profitable ways with tep’s, one example:

    http://www.policyplus.com/index.php

    or its a scam also? please discuss about it, instead of bringing out the same and same again

    Comment by monica — 23rd February 2008 @ 10:41 pm

  175. You can ignore all of the intracacies of the policies and how they are traded. All of that whether true or false is simply diversion by detail. Yes you can buy endowment/annuity policies. Yes, you can sell endowment/annutity policies. None of that matters. The fundamental flaw in all of these RPP deals is that you can never sell any of these policies for more than they are worth at a given point in time since it makes no sense for anyone to buy them on that basis.

    It’s very simple. GPP’s deal boils down to their buying a policy for 41,000 and then immediately, with no corresponding increase in the value of the policy, selling it to another party for 120,000. None of the surrounding detail matters. It’s not a question of some new and different type of policy, or how TEP markets work, or who is buying/selling the policies. It all hinges simply on some party buying the policy for 3 times what it’s worth and that’s obviously not going to happen. If you can’t do that then there’s no funding for the remaining aspects of the deal.

    Comment by JH — 23rd February 2008 @ 11:27 pm

  176. MikeCheck…SHUUUUUUSH UP… clearly you like to hear your own voice expunging your repetitive, repetitive, repetitive opinions, opinions,opinions (sorry there must be an echo there) But are you absolutely sure you are correct. None of us know for sure, one way or the other, assumptions are flying like blowflies off a disturbed dead carcase.

    You mentioned that you are a member of GPP – well then WHY did you join. Apply the virtue of patience, that is all that you should do at this stage, and endeavor to apply a positive attitude – like attitudes attract the “Power of Attraction” principle.

    OH! there is one other thing… SHUUUUUUSH UP… (there’s that echo again) unless you have something really, really positive to contribute, not repetitive bleetings. We all share your concerns! But there is nothing we can do… but wait patiently.

    Dina… we all welcome your input, it is people like you and your organization that we now need to inquire and ascertain relevant information about the principals of GPP… and expose who are the participants of their organized structure and truth in substance of the validity of the programme. Your posting is of relevant substance.

    From now on, it is up to those of you out there who have qualified experience in IT, and other areas of knowledge associated with policing, to source and correlate as much knowledge as is possible about the Trust Partners, who they are, their location, where the members money is being sent to, and every aspect of the GPP programme that can be delved into… just in case it is needed to flush out the participants. That would be a worthwhile activity for “mikecheck” – but keep it to yourself, until needed.

    This is my last posting… I bow out… my energies are better placed in other areas of internet marketing… Wishing you all positive feelings and success for the future. For those you may wish to contact me, my email address is on my web page… click on the link below.

    Comment by Ocka — 23rd February 2008 @ 11:39 pm

  177. Hi Everyone,

    The huge volume of comments on this post caused issues with the database earlier today so I have archived the first 100 comments on the main site:

    http://www.bizoppsuk.com/gpp_comments.php

    Thanks,

    Ben

    Comment by Ben — 24th February 2008 @ 12:48 am

  178. Ocka,

    I believe that if one were to walk ouside of a cave, for the most part, that echo could be reduced substancially.

    For the benefit of others, let me note, what I have been presenting to others are questions. These being for others edification. These are not opinions of my own (generally). Why do you continue to say that these are mearly my negative ramblings?

    Alright, no opinions anymore. How about some last words. Nothing positive or negative. If this is construed as such, then it’s your call… These are not even questions.
    1) location of business
    2) Website information
    3) Address
    4) New members benefit
    5) Closed program?
    6) Accepting new money
    7) Time for payout is…..
    8) GPP internet bank names and reputations…
    9) LAST name of POCs (ex:Stella)
    10) Banking solution
    I could go on and on. I will not however. In fact, I’ll sit to the side for a moment or two, as not to counter Ocka by asking further questions that he won’t answer.

    I will take note of what you said about the collection of information and compiling it in order to flush out any wrong doers, dealing with the misappropration or our monies! I’m down with you on that! But, I thought of this… At what point would I/we determine when this information would be needed? Also, why do we once again need secrecy, as was called for in the beginning of the program? Wouldn’t it be beneficial for everyone to know? —

    Need for more contracts? I just must ask this one last time. Just a question, not an attack…

    Might I also add that you do indeed have a very informative website… Pretty good marketing techniques used too… I’ll consider using such techniques if I consider actually selling something online. I’m serious in this respect, I might even say good job.

    You might want to consider updating your site under “What Are The Eligibility Rules And Benefits Of Becoming A Member?”. The site states “The Trust Fund Manager, has now advised, that the final process for members to provide formal identification will now be conducted during the month of January, 2008”. You might want to update that date…

    Ocka,
    I would like to say to you, that there is no need for me to run you away. As I mentioned earlier, I can see that looking out for my fellow man is not being appreciated by many. Or is it that it’s many names that are one?!

    Tell you what, unless someone asks me a question, I’ll not say anything. If I do, it won’t be anything beyond two sentences (until March).

    So everyone as noted in Ockas website, MARCH IS THE MONTH!!! We’ll take this as your word. We all know that your word is your bond!
    If I’ve not frightened you off, I’ll see you, and everyone else in March.

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 24th February 2008 @ 1:38 am

  179. MikeCheck…

    POST ON BROTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Sing it again again and again.

    You have fans!

    Comment by Busting Gut — 24th February 2008 @ 3:33 am

  180. Man oh man!!! Can I call it or can I call it. MikeCheck strikes again!! Yet another long meandering rambling. What else is new? This is just unbelieveable!!! You would think a guy could take a hint. Instead his post have gotten even longer. Incredible!! Man oh man!!

    Comment by Gabriel — 24th February 2008 @ 4:18 am

  181. Ocka

    What is the name of your web site ? I would like to take a look at what Mike is talking about.

    Comment by AB — 24th February 2008 @ 4:41 am

  182. Can someone please provide me with an email address and/or telephone number wher I can contact Stella at?

    Comment by Tillie — 24th February 2008 @ 5:58 am

  183. Monica – I should have prefaced my comments by saying that I was an international investment banker for many years. I now am a writer and have written two books on investment fraud, Just Numbers on a Screen, the Pips story, and One Big Fib, now being used as a basis for a TV programme by Kurtis Productions, airing on CNBC on the 26th. of March.
    My interest in GPP and these so-called Reverse Pension Plans was due to my having been retained as a consultant to advise a group who had, unfortunately. already donated.
    There is absolutely no substance in the claim that these ‘policies’ can be traded. You posted a link, I assume as proof that such things are possible, but clearly failed to read that: ‘In order to sell your policy, it must be a traditional with profits endowment with a surrender value of at least £2,000 and have run at least five years.’
    These sort of scams have been around for years in different forms, playing upon the ignorance of the general public in financial matters. An example was the ‘bank debentures’ touted by scamsters for many years.
    Reverse Pension Plans are just an updated example designed to separate the unwary from their cash.

    Comment by Owen Platt — 24th February 2008 @ 7:17 am

  184. Ben

    it stands to reason if you also archive MikeChecks loooooooong mundane ramblings then this site will look much more balancd, some really good postings lately and more participants taking part and MC lovers could view your archive :-).

    maybe now we should wait a bit and as was said prepare for any occasion and let GPP know they cannot easily run away.

    Comment by extan — 24th February 2008 @ 8:28 am

  185. Found this comment in Judes blog, shes against and this guy has a version. Jude,

    I read your comments on why Global Pension Plan would not work, pasted below for your reference. I have the following comments and would appreciate your feedback on my understanding:

    If you home is fully paid and has an equity of say 300,000, bank would lend you say, 60% on it using the “reverse” mortgage which enables you to draw cash out of your home equity without having to pay monthly payment for the loan. I assume that the monthly payment comes out of the remaining equity in your home over a certain period of time. Consequently, eventually, your entire equity will be eaten away over a period of time, whereby, you will not own the house but the banker will. If you are exiting at the age of 90 or so, this should be okay as long as your next to kin dont object!

    Let us say now instead of the home, you have a paid up endowment insurance policy and it has an asset value of $300,000, meaning that upon your death, your next of kin would receive the face value of the policy. If you however, went to a bank and asked to borrow money against it, I understand that the bank would recognize the equity and loan you money at say, 60% of the value in the form of a reverse mortgage. This means there will be no monthly payments but the deemed payments would come out of the remaining equity in the policy until the policy has no value to you. The bank will eventually own the whole policy with its full value or partial value depending on time elapsed, which the bank would realize upon your death since through the process of the reverse mortgage you have assigned the policy to the bank as a progressively reducing collateral. The bank could also sell the policy as a negotiable security in the open market at a discount to realize partial liquidity.

    So as I understand it, between the bank and the insurance company, Global Pension Plan appears to have created this ingenious program, whereby:

    Each member could purchase an endowment life insurance policy with a maturity value of 300,000.
    Through his/her signature or promisory note, enable the bank to create a reverse mortgage on the policy at 60% of the face value of the insurance. In this case the loan value would be 300,000 x60% =180,000.
    Part of the loan would go to pay off the insurance premiums which could be say, 80,000, thereby making it a fully paid up policy with a full face value of 300,000.
    The insurance policy would be assigned to the bank in the form of a progressively reducing collateral without the member having to make any monthly payments.
    The insurance company would instantly benefit by receiving say, 80,000 x 100,000 members = 8 billion.
    The bank could realize the value of the insurance policy as each member passes on less the loan amount to be repaid on the outstanding loan. This too would be in billions.
    Consequently, for each member to receive the $79,000 for ages 28 to 66 or $154,000 for ages 1 to 28 is not unreasonable. The commissions of 3000 per referral paid out are also quite palatable from the loan. The signature of the member on the promissory note should be quite safe as each member has assigned the insurance policy (not his house) as a collateral.
    The whole process is nothing more than what the banks do to create loans using individual signatures on promissory notes as well as Mortgage backed securities. This is normal banking business done in billions every day and approved legally by the legislatures!!
    The only difference is that instead of a mortgage on a real property, it is done on the value of the insurance which too has real monetory value.

    Theres more so check out the rest in judes comment page. I cut it down, some of you may have read it already, Its long but hopefully helpful. Sammy

    Comment by SM — 24th February 2008 @ 9:00 am

  186. Unfortunately Sammy, that is not so. It is NOT ‘normal banking business done in billions every day’ as any banker will tell you. It is the sort of hogwash designed to promote these scams and delude the ignorant into thinking that 35 euros will bring them unearned riches.

    Comment by Owen Platt — 24th February 2008 @ 9:32 am

  187. hi,

    Brad Edwards seems to be one of the founders of GPP, his GPP site ends in .tk that should be an island north of Samoa, but one can fool the public where you are or just take the plane to Timbaktu and say its .tk 🙂 . But that guy actually has a video on U-Tube and he speaks directly to you, so just save the picture. Wonder why Stella does not have a video, is she ugly or what.
    Good luck!!!

    Comment by sleuth2800 — 24th February 2008 @ 9:43 am

  188. Busting – I appreciate that! I may have to do that!

    Gabriel,
    Why don’ you call the next time the closing will be extended. See if you can beat this one… My call is that it wont be Feb!

    Ownen,
    Yes, I have seen you on other msgbboards… I may grab a copy.

    Extan,
    Ha HA!!! Man, come one now! This is yet another instances of extreme amusement! He wants to archive my “ramblings”! For example 357,366, 369, and 377! Now I’m supposed to be adding only two scentence comments (if asked a question). I may hace to take Bustings advice if [presented with this nonsense.

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 24th February 2008 @ 3:50 pm

  189. Owen, your input is much appreciated. I am one who has taken a roll of the dice with GPP and hoping, without any logical reason, that something will come of it. I am not one that needs or wants blind positive utterances nor constant repetitive rantings of negativity. I am capable of seeing what everyone else sees at face value such as the lack of contact info, the lack of communication, the lack of….. So these are things that I do not need thrown in my face everytime I read this blog. Though not encouraging, I appreciate your post. I found it to be a different source of insight/information and thankfully without emotion. I am one looking for lucid input/information whether it be encouraging or not so.

    Comment by Gabriel — 24th February 2008 @ 6:11 pm

  190. Hi everyone, there is a new post on GPP-site, quite interesting but also quite long!

    Comment by Blade68 — 24th February 2008 @ 6:31 pm

  191. Thanks Gabriel. I see no reason to berate people for their decisions and I do offer my comments from experience in the financial arena. Bearers of bad news are not often appreciated, understandably I suppose.
    Without wishing to be repetitious, GPP have so many red flags that it looks like Moscow on May Day!

    Comment by Owen Platt — 24th February 2008 @ 6:42 pm

  192. Sleuth,
    Dot Tk is a free domain service, so it doesn’t denote where the server or owner is, unfortunately. The web is getting increasingly more anonymous.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.tk
    I have seen that video, and to be honest, he couldn’t sell me a darn thing.

    Comment by zippy — 24th February 2008 @ 6:57 pm

  193. if its all “totally legal and honest” so why this fear about us and our banks and our problems with them? why this fear to be investigated if everything is legal (with a sufficient documentation)?

    if the payout is done, why the program could fail! the program can fail bevore the payout, not after…(?)

    (questions)….!

    Comment by monica — 24th February 2008 @ 7:53 pm

  194. I haven’t been able to get on GPP for weeks…

    well this is pretty much it for Feb. and there is no payout.

    The scam goes on….

    Mike keep posting man…. you have many many many valid points… I truly enjoy reading your post.

    I’m sure Stella and the crew enjoy them too…because they are so close to the truth

    Comment by Busting Gut — 24th February 2008 @ 8:00 pm

  195. Thanks for that Blade68. I noticed that we cant or are not allowed to post or paste any of its content into general public. So I guess our site must get read. Very Interesting. Can we comment to each other – in our own words on what is posted though? Any one Know? Sammy!

    Comment by SM — 25th February 2008 @ 3:14 am

  196. SM,
    Why can’t you share a segment of that post from YOUR site? Far as I know, the general public is not supposed to know about this anyway! Surely, this can be shared with the members here?

    Aren’t people having problems getting into the site anyway?

    Busting,
    Man, you are right! I simply cannot just stop posting… Especially with what I’m finding now! My friend, I’m going to make you proud!

    Stella,
    I’d suggest that you make a statement to your policy holders…

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 25th February 2008 @ 4:34 am

  197. SM,

    Man, I reread my posting. I meant, OUR site! Almost sounds as if I was calling you out. Sorry about that (Esp. as we are on the same page)!

    On that note, is it possible to use a link? I’m just interested to see it. What are your thoughts on that info?

    SM, again, I’m finding info that will make you proud!

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 25th February 2008 @ 4:58 am

  198. Are you able to get into the GPP site MC?

    There is a new posting in there.

    I couldn’t get in for a long time and I just kept deleting my cookies in the computer every day a couple of times a day and suddenly I got in.

    As blade quoted earlier its quite long but interesting.

    Comment by SM — 25th February 2008 @ 6:03 am

  199. my posting about that .tk posting was first removed out of this blog and then re-instated, it was rightly reported that this .tk was probably used from another physical place, see the wikipeda link. “There are reports that .tk domains have been used for publishing scams and spam.”

    Anyway placing the name of the alledged GPP founder may have been wrong but be has a GPP video on U-Tube with his name thick over the screen and I have saved a copy (jpg pic) that may be of interest to Interpol to squeeze him out should GPP not pay out. QED!

    Have not yet read GPP’s latest posting, may be positive after all, really hope!

    Comment by sleuth2008 — 25th February 2008 @ 6:55 am

  200. The person who runs the .tk site and Brad Edwards are two different people.

    “Euken” runs the globalpensionplan.tk site. You can find more information regarding him fairly easily.

    Brad Edwards site is here: http://bradedwardsdesigns.com and again more info is readily available by searching and whois.

    The three sites listed in BVINC’s profile (the You Tube ID of the person posting the video) are:

    http://www.TodaysPension.com
    http://www.UnitedFinancialFreedom.com
    http://www.Forex-EZ.com

    The first links to a John Lester in Dallas TX who runs a company called Unicorp and some others that you can find by searching with the whois address and following the links from there.

    The second and third are other sites run by Brad Edwards (among many others).

    I’ve looked at both quite a bit at all of the above and it doesn’t appear to me that any have a direct role in GPP other than as early referral whores. Could be proven wrong about that but I don’t see it at least.

    There’s another who is more interesting but I’ll wait until I have things well documented before posting.

    Comment by JH — 25th February 2008 @ 7:32 am

  201. JH – yes, you are correct. Those people have nothing to do with the running (if that’s the right word!) of GPP. They are merely promoters.
    GPP traces back to Eastern Europe and almost certainly to Russia. There was an egregious error committed by them in the early days when they were foolish enough to use Western Union and an address in Estonia in order to collect funds.
    These RPP scams are primarily IT driven, i.e. the basis is a a computer script which can be replicated easily. It is unlikely that Stella even exists except as a Russian computer person.
    Whether the various promoters are paid or are merely living on the promises of payment in the future, I know not.

    Comment by Owen Platt — 25th February 2008 @ 8:05 am

  202. EAT YOUR HEART OUT!!

    Well I read through the last posting of GPP’s Forum and I believe my previous postings were not far off the mark, sometimes even using a different name (surely not MC!!!). During my schooltime they called me Jakkals, an Afrikaans name for you know what. Oviously in the end we need two teams and I think good work has been done! But this last posting by Stella and Team must be taken as the result of all endeavours and all those negative “ramblers” will now start crying more then ever, or they can be clever and still become GPP members or loose out, that payout may take some time and I’m satisfied about their valid circumstances and that’s the bottom line. That posting cannot be posted here, you have to read it yourself, they basically have to wait for the new banking licence to get “done”, everything else is in place, there is no way back. Of course really negative guys who will find fault anyway, so be it, well they call my family as being negative and very critical 🙂

    Comment by extan — 25th February 2008 @ 11:51 am

  203. Extan,
    Who’s to say that I (the negative guy) will find fault in this statement. Perhaps someone who can access this could provide a wrap up of what this says?

    You say I’d be crying. No, I would be quite happy. I don’t think that I’ve heard much about someone being sad because they have run into helpfull monies (other than those lottery winners who did not manage ther money correctly).

    Might I ask who you are reffering to when you say your family? I don’t get your meaning on that.

    In order to access this site, why must coockies continue to be deleted? Nothing like I’ve seen before.

    O.K. what did you say about a valid circumstance about no payout?
    Are you saying something like, say um… No FEBRUAURY PAYOUT? Hmmm… I’m trying to remember… Oh, Yes, yes I did say that!

    March is still not here, but seeing is believeing. Couple more days, or did this message state some VALID reason why this would not happen until next month, or the month after that?

    Shortly I’ll ask about the status of your banking solution. Got a new bank yet? By new I mean… NEWLY created internet bank?

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 25th February 2008 @ 2:28 pm

  204. Dear Mike,

    If you can not log into the website of GPP, it means you are not an active member and most certainly you are not entitled to privileged information which is for GPP members only.

    JL

    Comment by JL — 25th February 2008 @ 3:21 pm

  205. If I might enter a dash of commonsense here. Why would a new bank be needed? There are plenty already licensed and obtaining a licence from even the most lax of recognised jurisdictions is hardly an overnight affair.
    And as all banks have to operate through one or other of the recognised clearing banks, a new bank has to operate under exactly the same rules and restrictions that apply globally.
    I well remember the Pips bank……………..!

    Comment by Owen Platt — 25th February 2008 @ 3:24 pm

  206. Well as always,new info for us the priveleged members,and of course we respect the rules and do not share this highly important business information with no members
    Since we are so priveleged to be members of this fantastic organisation,and will receive enough money to live happily ever after
    Only one thing I have heard something like this before and ooops one got his finger chopped off by someone and then they paid

    Comment by dina — 25th February 2008 @ 3:53 pm

  207. Hi Mike,

    My happy negative family: 1 brother and 2 sisters!

    My girlfriend JL just told you a valid reason, even though it may sound a bit restricted.

    Just imagine you receiced by some new method/good marketing a lot of money, made some mistakes and learned a lot, etc. Soon somebody will get jealous, inform the banks: “hey here is someone that wants to take our business away, lets do something about that, those bloody new rich,not having to pay bank fees, etc, boycot them” If this happens on a grand scale also because of negative and stupid reactions, what would you do, put the money under your mattress. Well the way the share market currently goes that may be a good idea, but what about your clients who each need an account. That is more or less how the cookie is crumbling and since this blogs management is basically calling GPP a scam we should protect our investment and heed to GPP’s request. Wil do!

    Payout I guess maybe March or April, whatever time it takes, even if you want it yesterday, not being a member. You can still join, go for it and stop this nonsense 🙂

    Comment by extan — 25th February 2008 @ 4:12 pm

  208. sorry Owen, your reaction…. and Dina, wow! But if you read through GPPs latest posting (for me it was an eye opener, I have some shrink background/hobby) all those things are taken into account, so it will take some time.

    What do you think why are there so many banks????

    Take care!

    Comment by extan — 25th February 2008 @ 4:31 pm

  209. Extan – my point was why would there be a need for a new bank? What possible advantage would there be? All banks (legitimate ones anyway) have to conform to the same principles of due diligence and knowing their customer so what would be the point? And, as I said, all have to work through one or other of the major clearing banks in the world. Without such correspondent accounts, a new bank is useless.

    Comment by Owen Platt — 25th February 2008 @ 4:40 pm

  210. Owen – You’re right of course. There is no valid reason. As you say, there’s certainly no shortage of “banking solutions,” both legitmate and less than so.

    They already are supposed to have a bank that’s so involved that for whatever reason it’s willing to accept a 1.2% return on billions invested.

    Creating a “virtual bank” along the lines of First Oceanic as described here in post #19 above requires no “license” other than for appearances since it’s a “bank” only in name alone. As the routing for receiving payments demonstrates, such a bank actually is simply a series of obscured accounts to launder money. It will have no ability to interact with legitimate banks. You might as well print up the license yourself since no other clearing banks will do business with it. And that’s exactly what they did in the case of First Oceanic Bank. Any funds held there effectively will be “virtual funds” and useless to anyone without an equally sketchy means to move the funds to other laundered accounts.

    The “banking solution” story is just another contrived detail to build confidence (as the term is used in “con game”) and to buy more time to collect more funds and to draw focus away from overwhelming evidence of a complete fraud.

    Comment by JH — 25th February 2008 @ 6:16 pm

  211. Hi Owen,

    sure it makes sense to keep to a big international bank (such as HSBC) smaller banks are gobbled up by them and they make it difficult to start a new bank, one can also buy an existing bank licence for a legitimately reason, because other shitty banks not wanting your ALLEDGED “scam” money. Then you get certain progressive countries that are not so pig headed like some European/Ami banks and all those internal problems are much easier and they can still go through the big clearing- and or local reserve- banks, obviously to make things work properly.

    It has much to do with abused monetary methods or unfortunate negative/jealous reactions so that virtually nobody NEW will be ok, no matter what. The problem is also to suddenly deposit big sums into your normally lame bank account (George Bush will blow his gasket, terrorist money, grrrr!) for the same reason so it is much better to have an intermediate LEGAL bank where you can draw money to your own bank a/c at a reduced rate so they do not wet their pants.

    Just try to market a NEW 100% herbal cure for cancer and see how the chemical industry will take you to court, etc. and you have to market it through a friendly counry!

    Comment by extan — 25th February 2008 @ 6:32 pm

  212. Extan’s post seems to be rationalizing the why and how of money-laundering. If the big banks are refusing to handle it, then they must see something illegitimate about the gleaning of those funds.

    Comment by zippy — 25th February 2008 @ 6:46 pm

  213. Exactly Zippy. As typical for these online investment scams, on one hand they represent all aspects as above board and legal involving established major companies, registered trusts, established banks and investment vehicles, etc., yet on the other hand they disregard all applicable laws and regulations, actively hide virtually every aspect of the program to avoid oversight by the “pesky authorities” and employ numerous means to launder money.

    Sorry, it’s either one or the other. They’re either legit or not. If they are, then they’re subject to all of the requirements and disclosures that comes along with that. They can’t be both at the same time.

    Comment by JH — 25th February 2008 @ 7:24 pm

  214. [Edit by Ben: Please be aware that this poster has the same IP address as “extan”]

    JH,

    you’ve obviously not read GPP’s forum and are probably not a member so i’M SO SAD YOU ARE LOSING OUT, and I’m dreaming of a lazy life, real very soon! Anyway I can’t help that so I rather do my pacman work. 🙂

    Will see all the disgrunted postings on this blog as GPP gets positive!!!!!

    Comment by pacman eats negeative — 25th February 2008 @ 7:25 pm

  215. But Extan, I can assure you as an offshore banker for many years myself, one cannot BUY a bank licence. They are not for sale, unless you believe the fraudulent claims of many so-called offshore experts.
    In order to be able to process deposits etc., all banks, even some quite large ones, have to work through correspondent banks such as HSBC etc. and these will not accept as correspondents, any bank that does not adhere to the internationally accepted standards of KYC and anti-money laundering regulations.
    In fact, a newly licensed bank will be under much greater scrutiny from the regulatory authorities than a large and well established one.
    The claim that this is a banking solution is as specious as is the rest of the gobbledygook.

    Comment by Owen Platt — 25th February 2008 @ 7:34 pm

  216. pacman, as my previous posts demonstrate I obviously have reviewed and analysed in detail GPPs claims. I can provide 20+ independently verifiable points in evidence that GPP is nothing more than a typical online investment scam. Can you post ANYTHING that can be verified showing that it is legitmate? Anything at all? And note that the generic descriptions of TEP markets on the blogs of various individuals with a vested interest in promoting this scam don’t count for any more than a similar description of stock or FOREX trading apply to any individual investment.

    I’m definitely not a member and I’ll be losing nothing here because I’ve seen the same scam run in various forms many, many times before and I have enough common sense to recognize a blatant scam when I see it.

    Now please enlighten all here with your extensive “due dilligence” demonstrating that this is legitmate in any way.

    Comment by JH — 25th February 2008 @ 9:56 pm

  217. NOTE TO BEN: I’m taking the liberty of copying your standard warning here in slightly modified form to fit. Please edit as you feel necessary. (Edit by Ben: Thanks JH!)

    Warning, this post contains a link to TG and MMG – boards that are well known for allowing the promotion of various so-called “investment” schemes. Please be careful if you decide to follow the links.

    As an illustrative example generally and with respect to RPPs in particular, and since I know some here have invested in a number of these programs, it might be instructive to take a look at a post that I made elsewhere recently showing who’s really behind the World Pension Plus program.

    http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2415222&postcount=18

    Bottom line is that it’s a fraud. Rather than as it is represented on their site, it’s actually just a couple of lower-level MLM and HYIP players who set up a web site telling the same BS story to con money from people. I can assure you that the same exists in the case of GPP, just involving different somewhat higher-level players.

    Comment by JH — 25th February 2008 @ 10:25 pm

  218. this is the latest posting on the “TeamTHEMCO” site, I have tried to keep positive about GPP but this sounds like a way to cram in a lot of new contracts quickly by playing on peoples good nature. make up your own minds people!

    GPP – Many ways to skin a cat – the caption introducing the launch of ‘FSCF’
    When we were preparing the weekly TIME LINE FORECAST for Stella and GPP, TeamTHEMCO enjoyed a close working relationship with Stella and a number of benefits. During the early period Stella even set up an instant messaging service for us to communicate.
    Since the GPP membership passed the 100K mark and the TIME LINE FORECAST no longer required, the relationship has waned naturally, with Stella wrestling with her own admin problems and the desire to bring the transaction to a successful conclusion.
    Having not been blessed with children herself, Stella is motivated by the desire for GPP to succeed, so that she can donate her GPP Charity fund €1,000,000 to the various children’s causes that she has identified, as needing support.
    At this stage in the transaction, having regard for what we need to achieve, we have been wracking our brains to find a way to attract Stella’s attention and gain her favour and co-operation again. We have come to the conclusion that we should appeal to her desire to raise funds for the children.
    We see that we are going to need Stella’s support in connection with the presentation of the bank accounts and particularly with regard to providing a letter from the disbursement bank, to conclusively demonstrate that the funds are clean and clear and not generated from criminal activities. Without this letter, no bank will accept the funds, so this is very important that it is in the correct format.

    So what we propose is a ’Friends of Stella’s Charity Fund’ (FSCF). We will administer it, maintain a ‘Roll of Donors’ and mail Stella regularly as milestones are reached, including providing updated details of the ‘Roll of Donors’. We hope that all of the TeamTHEMCO will see the benefit from supporting this fund, if only to acknowledge the tremedous effort Stella has put in on our behalf or share some of your GPP benefits with children battling with a poor start to their young lives.

    We hate having to ask you to put your hands in your pockets, or purse, again, but a minimum of €20/£15 per member -Themco will absorb the costs – is a small price to pay for the benefits it is likely to yield in co-operation from Stella. Once again we will use the principle of leverage/gearing to maximise the donation by purchasing Additional Policies.

    Consequently each member will effectively donate a minimum of €55,000, plus the €2,000 Loyalty Reward that Themco will contribute, giving a total of €57,000. Please feel free to donate a commensurate amount if you are expecting a substantial sum from GPP or have a number of members in your family, which many of you do. The impact should be dramatic and for a very good cause.

    We will kick off the fund with €200.00 which will generate €550,000, half Stella’s original fund already. We have bounced this idea off a number of Team Leaders and the reaction has been unanimous so far. This leads us to suggest that €10 Million is a bankable, €20 Million is achieveable and with €25 Million the target. Relate this to Stella’s fund of €1 Million.

    Our only concern is that we do not have much time to create an impact, so we are going to have to get our skates on. If you get the opportunity to promote it to your downline please do so, every little helps. Just direct them to this post on BLOG TeamTHEMCO and accept our thanks for your support.

    The Roll of Donors will have you listed by your GPP username so the next time you mail Stella sign off with your username followed by “FSCF” i.e. ‘AA2000-FSCF’.

    When we come to fill in the GPP Agreement Form, insert ‘FSCF Donor’ in the space in the Charity section, since your username can be cross referenced to your username on the Roll of Donors. This is why each member should support this initiative.

    If you think you have had to work hard on this opportunity, then Stella has had to work much, much harder, so this will be an appropriate gesture of appreciation for her efforts and she will see it that way.

    As the fund grows, we will approach the subject of the help we would like from her and hopefully any e-mails sent to Stella by ‘FSCF Donors’ will be treated sympathetically.

    Whatever the outcome, some more kids are going to benefit.

    Read the ‘Charity’ section of the website, just the last four posts re the “Bread for Kids” Charity. You will see that Stella responds to these communications. So let us get her to respond to ours. I know that we can be accused of using the Charity to create an advantage, but let’s face it, all normal forms of communication are not capturing her attention and we must get her attention at this important stage.

    We hope that you see this as a tangible solution, to the many of you who have asked how to deal with filling in the question on the GPP Agreement, concerning donations to Stella’s charity, whilst at the same time making a substantial contribution for a relatively small outlay.

    E-mails with pledges whilst funds are being sent would help.

    February 25, 2008 Posted by teamthemco | GPP | | No Comments

    Comment by Blade68 — 25th February 2008 @ 10:41 pm

  219. The post from teamThemco is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read in my life. It sounds just like one of those Nigerian emails. Give me a break!!!

    Comment by Gabriel — 26th February 2008 @ 1:16 am

  220. Blade68,

    You stole my thunder… I was going to make everyone proud to unveil this extreeme nonsense! I’ll tell you, I wouldn’t have believed it unless I saw it myself!

    I mean, it like just when you think that you’ve heard it all… Well you havent! That is simply the most preposturous! Ok, Stella is doing us this great benefit (to include not anwering any ouf us save some circle talking). Please tell me how in the world do they have the gaul to ask for more money! I just have to… You know this is just too much to believe!

    When I first heard about this FSCF, I said to myself that the members would simply not believe this one… I still can’t and I’m reading it again! Extan, please tell me that this is a joke! It is not funny however. Quite sad.

    I contine to ask straight questions. Allow me to ask a retorical question to everyone:
    1) Why would a bank, insurance provider or anyone, in effect, give money away? Let’s think about this. We are providing $40 for some entity to turn this into a Mint. Let’s see here, they will provide us a large sum of money for us to receive today that will take them 40 yrs to get back (not taking into consideration the continua devaluation of money). — In one respect this sounds like Wimpy from Popeye (an old cartoon, for those not aware). “I’ll glady pay you Tuesday for a burger today…

    2) If this is such a great money maker, why haven’t others with thousands, to Millions of dollars join in such a program?
    Perhaps because it does not make sense. Why wouln’t the provider just invest their own money into “Their Own” program? Surely they’d have enough sense to join such a beneficial plan!

    Money must come from somewhere!

    Can you say money laundering, Can you say scam? I CAN!

    To say this again however…. Can you believe this FSCF? It’s hard to believe that someone would fall for this! I have no words on this one…

    Extan,

    Lastly, money is money. A bank does not know about where it has come from. I haven’t heard that.

    You sound mighty emotional on the transferring of this money… What’s your cut?

    Comment by MikeCheck — 26th February 2008 @ 1:59 am

  221. Extan,
    Did you say March or April? You really should not let those words come out of your mouth. Remember I said something about your word being your bond?

    AS I SAID, February is almost over.

    How about providing Owen with a response. I’ll bet that you won’t address this in your next statement.

    Everyone let’s hold our breath as we wait for our amusing non answer…

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 26th February 2008 @ 2:17 am

  222. Well all that reading is making me dizzy. wow!

    I have wondered something for a while and I hope its not the CASE, but, My thoughts were along the lines of:

    What if gpp do pay out, and if we all have to use their banking solution, Every ones money would there for be deposited into their banking solution, and we may not know where it is based.

    Wouldn’t that allow them to withdraw all that money, once they have our ID’s and signatures. One could withdraw funds with that wouldn’t you say.

    JUST A THEORY!

    P.S To Mike Check, I dont know what to beieve with the GPP. Im just waiting to see what happens. Still holding some hope and trusting in my leaders. As I do not believe any ones intentions with the GPP
    have been deliberately misleading in any way. I myself truley belived that I was helping others by signing people up.

    Not to say that I would any more though.

    Comment by SM — 26th February 2008 @ 5:55 am

  223. I don’t think you need to worry about that, SM. I hardly think the “banking solution” is possible.
    First, I don’t care where you go, you must have a CV with prior experience and banking qualifications, and Stella obviously does not. Next, she will NOT be capable of setting up any corresponding relations, since these are reliant upon prior banking experience, and being squeaky clean in the business world, which Stella is not by the very fact that she has conducted this entire sham without one ounce of transparency as required by world-wide securities laws.
    I could go on with many more points but suffice it to say that I have known accredited organizations, who have dotted all the right “i”s and crossed all the “t” s, to take 4 YEARS to get their licence.
    Stella will not make it past the scrutiny, and should she get the Cereal box version available in some countries, it will unfortunately be unable to communicate with other banks, through whom one must be able to transfer money if it’s to get into the hands of its’ members.
    You must remember that if you have an account with Stellabank, which will of course be disallowed from operating IN ANY CAPACITY in Europe or North America, and she has no corresponding relations, due to the nature of the manner in which the initial funds were collected, NO bank will be involved with money that could possibly be considered “on the way to the laundry”.

    Comment by zippy — 26th February 2008 @ 6:35 am

  224. SM – don’t think you need worry about that. There is no payout for them to steal!

    Comment by Owen Platt — 26th February 2008 @ 6:55 am

  225. Owen – Never underestimate the creativity of scammers. At this point it wouldn’t surprise me much if they drag this out long enough to see “virtual payouts” made into the “banking solution.” Of course only to have some complication that causes these funds not to be available to members. At least not for free anyway. ; )

    But point taken – no real payouts in any case.

    Comment by JH — 26th February 2008 @ 7:16 am

  226. Ah yes, JH, there may be an ‘administrative fee’ involved in order to get your funds released from the Bank of Toyland.

    Comment by Owen Platt — 26th February 2008 @ 7:44 am

  227. [Edit by Ben: I don’t see any need for the level of profanity in this post so I am censoring it]

    Published Without Prejudice!

    Well, I have predicted all these negative letters as GPP gets serious!! I will not use names but these letters are from the biggest A******S full of dirty s**t that I have come accross, heap of scum! Sorry I can not see it any other way. You do not seem to have any sense of compassion, knowledge of human souls, can’t read between the lines, are outright malicious and do not know any claen human nature even though not perfect, just your sick set of mind.

    Most of you are not even members so where is the problem, why don’t you rather preoccupy yourself with your loved ones, make a good job of it!?

    What do I have to answer to anybody not being a member and breathing his last breath??

    Like Oka I have decided to bow out of this s****y blog, initially I thought there was some merrit to this endeavour, but now I see it is absolutely poisonous and downright sick!! You will soon get red eyes, GPP has a good plan, we have more info to tell us that, we will also pledge a big sum for the childrens fund and plan to help other needy friends. I’m satisfied that Stella is just as sick of these negative idiots (she did not think humans can be so crappy) and has closed the lines for these people and for that to almost everyone, that’s all, she is also after a dream and she is for real.

    Please note that since recently this blog eats 100 Megs of ADSL “data memory” every time because it scans in the complete document even though you write only say 3 lines, it was much better recently, so I rather download positive movies!

    Bye!

    Comment by extan — 26th February 2008 @ 9:21 am

  228. Spoken like a true cheerleader.

    Comment by Owen Platt — 26th February 2008 @ 10:59 am

  229. Well, Extan , you have a rather foul-mouth for a lady, and I really fail to see anything here which deserves such a tirade.
    This has little to do with compassion, I have heard so many say “What the heck? It’s only $40”, where would compassion be needed if this is considered as no loss.
    The reality is that, while Stella may be chock-full of good intentions, she failed to plan. All of this, trust partners, banking solution, should have been set in stone before she had the website built.
    If it came apart, then it can only be from a lack of business acumen to ensure that parties involved would stay involved and within certain maxims, or risk litigation, AND also, from a disregard for common law.
    You, Extan, have no reason to get so huffy and rude, I have only stated the banking situation in the true light, with no intention of tearing anything down. If you read the local papers, you’d see that even Sir Richard Branson couldn’t get a banking licence to take over a bank (which was already there and licenced in itself) due to his lack of prior banking experience.
    Don’t yell at everyone else because you don’t like the way the real world is. We didn’t make it, madam, we just live in it.

    Comment by zippy — 26th February 2008 @ 11:08 am

  230. Well having read the latest GPP update on their website I must say that is a relief… not. Of course we are not allowed to give details but I will say that me thinks the lady doth protest too much…

    I have been doing due dilligence on Reverse Pension Plans in every way I can and I keep hearing from several sources both internet and non- internet that a Russian and a chinese plan have paid out and are being discussed on forums but cannot get any verification of this- anyone help? I know from past business dealings in Russia that the banks will not allow money to be sent out of the country without a valid fulfilled contract- so if there has been a payout it must either have been a validly fulfilled contract or only available and paid out internally. As for a chinese plan- is that even possible with the state control of everything?

    These schemes are being actively promoted and now there are several of them- most of them a good deal smaller than GPP- around the 5000 to 27000 member limits- if it is possible to do this (and I remain positively skeptical but willing to be converted) can it be that GPP has been over ambitious and can’t actually run and complete a scheme of this size? Is that going to be the next delay? “due to difficulties of size, members will receive payments in staggered amounts of 5000 members at a time…”

    Comment by Goosey — 26th February 2008 @ 12:20 pm

  231. [Edit by Ben: Please be aware that this poster has the same IP address as “extan”]

    Zippy, I think you may have it wrong, it is very unlikely that Stella tries to get her own bank, that does not make sense from what she said, you know about the service industry… if the big banks or whoever are difficult, somebody will make a plan for you, let the others lose out, because where there is money there is a way!! I still know about when we had sanctions in the bad old days, I worked in the airforce and hey we could get AMI weapons from our enemies, big stamp of the mid-eastern country, we had a big laugh. Just need to be streetwise, everything will work out ok, we WILL get our money.

    Comment by John2004 — 26th February 2008 @ 4:07 pm

  232. John2004, I really hope it pays out, merely from the point of the drama being placed upon members from the constant delays and plan changes. But, I’ve backed a lot of longshots in my day, and this one is too long.
    If Branson with his billions, couldn’t get a licence for an already licenced bank (and everyone knows who he is) it still remains that the corresponding relations will not be available, and the FSA and Central Banks system will, as Stella said, place a world-wide injunction on funds coming from it.
    Unless she plans for the members to have to fly to East Pakalua (I made that up) to use their debit/ATM cards, I foresee problems.
    But, if it works,…if any of these work,..that will be the model for others. So far, I’ve heard of none working, and as for Russian and Chinese projects,…isn’t it funny that the regions where we don’t get much info would be the places of reported success? I hardly think this is true. The Chinese gov’t executes those who play around with the status quo, especially in non-traditional money matters.

    Comment by zippy — 26th February 2008 @ 7:40 pm

  233. Extan,

    This a quote from you: “(for me it was an eye opener, I have some shrink background/hobby)”. Maybe after your last posting you should resort to that background of yours, and get some shrink to help you with your issues. If you’re so sure about GPP, and know it in your heart that GPP is for real, then nothing that anybody in this blog says shouldn’t affect you the way it did. Either you’re one of the most naive person I’ve run across to, or you found out it’s a scam and you’re pissed that it’s about to unfold soon, because you probably talked lots of people into joining GPP.

    To mikecheck and other “cynical/negative/sick” people:
    Debating these GPP believers is like trying to play chess with a pigeon — it knocks the pieces over, craps on the board, and flys back to its flock to claim victory.
    Aren’t I right?

    Comment by Rokka — 26th February 2008 @ 7:43 pm

  234. Yeah Zippy anything is possible, credit cards are still easy to use to purchase products or services via the internet after 9-11. Debit cards are easier to get and only have to be set up to tranfer funds, which I can also do with big tranfers with my c/a debit card, so that’s the way to go.

    About GPP I would say that GPP’s last posting is an eye opener unless one is blind, (some people seem to be triple blind) it is inconceivable that everything is a blatant lie and people that personally know Stella (and team) would absolutely stand by her. She did NOT have to say anything and wrote in such detail, it would be very strange to be otherway. Sure nothing is quite normal as per professional conduct, but other cultures act differently and may still be excellent business conductors!! We simply have to wait, I’m happy!

    Comment by John2004 — 26th February 2008 @ 8:10 pm

  235. [Edit by Ben: Please be aware that this poster has the same IP address as “extan”]

    rokka rokka you are sicko, join mike checker, blah, blah blah

    Comment by crapping pigeon — 26th February 2008 @ 8:17 pm

  236. I wouldn’t rely too much on logic as far as the detail presented. I’ve seen many more highly detailed descriptions and plans and actions associated with other scams that defy reason. A common theme among those involved is “If they’re not real, then why would they…” Unfortunately, there’s no correlation between what is said and what is done and the viability of such programs. In fact you can argue equally the opposite since that’s the nature of the term “con” in “con job,” i.e., to build confidence on the part of participants in the story told surrounding the scam.

    I’ve seen nothing that says “Stella” is a real person any more than thousands of other names (usually English-sounding) have been used in many other similar online investment scams. Typically, what’s behind the names used is a composite of several individuals involved.

    And with respect to the “team” there appears to be none as related by “Neverland” in a post regarding “Stella” having to handle all of the mail herself although they’ve gone back and forth on that point a various times.

    Comment by JH — 26th February 2008 @ 8:30 pm

  237. Some information
    We have set up a team of 4 former legion members to hunt down the people behind GPP,first only to confront them with the situation and get some real information
    We have success as we have discovered some of them and also where they are
    Also we have worked with some people inside the moneytransfer system so we will get detailed information about whom have recieved the transfers in RiGA and the other spots sent some time ago
    We are moving there to take care of theese people and when we are in contact with them we will for sure get all needed information
    We always get the information we want ,we have an outstanding record for that and our metods

    We are not working with lawyers ,we are streetpeople and problemsolvers in a direct way

    I think the time has come to face the truth,and get the people responsible for this business to face their clients,and we will make it happen
    So in a short while something will change here

    Comment by dina — 26th February 2008 @ 9:42 pm

  238. Extan,

    I have got to say, you sure do provide a good laugh almost every day! Ha, getting pretty angry that those dollars are not flowing into your pocket anymore (at least slowing down) huh? Ha! Everyone, why should anyone such as this be so very defensive.

    So, it looks like we did kick you out of this blog. Bowing out huh? More like running w/ your head between your legs… A cowards way out I’d say.

    I actually expected as much. I’ll bet that the rest will follow as the dollars dry up…

    As for those who are sad that Extan has left, well he hasn’t. Another screen name, another identity…. Similar to GPP’s other servers and other shady characteristics… This is not seemingly curious, it is extreemly suspect. Let’s alow him to leave and download other positive movies! That’s great!

    My friends, this sounds so very much like a group of people in an internet cafe’. I must say that I am impressed that this scam could be such a money maker (for them, of course)! This sickens me.

    Extan,
    Do us all a favor and identify yourself as one person insead of all of these crazy screen names.

    All,
    I’ll tell you something that’s funny. I was on another board on GPP. I posed a couple of straight questions, then all of a sudden I got this error stating that I was “Flagged by the Spam Filter”! I think that I said this before… Nonetheless, this must be managed by a GPP member. A couple of my msgs all of a sudden dissapeared! Truth sometimes hurts…

    As mentioned before, I find that these scams are just terrible. Good people, wanting to do good things for others, buying policies, inviting others to join the ride, and other related situations… That is just… I’ll tell you, I just have no words to explain how angry I am that GPP would sting people along for sooooo very long!

    Four days till March! Ask your girl Stella how this bogus Banking solution is going. What’s that? Another problem in establishing this “solution” yet again? Oh, next month it’ll be ready! Ok. Sounds good to me! I guess that they will tell us that shortly.

    Oh, might I ask how that fund for Stella is going? I’m still somewhat amused at that! Goodness, let’s reward her for illuding questions, not providing information, hiding all and any “supposed” activity, and providing us with statements and answers which go around in circles and provides neither answers or… anything!

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 27th February 2008 @ 3:58 am

  239. Hey I read your site and have a personal family member involved in this GPP. every day I can see them reading this site and the forum and i have to say it is a big let down that they are getting nothin from the GPP.

    I have never bin a positive person but they keep beleivin that this will pay them out.

    I hope so and when the post from dina came on they were blown away and totally confused.

    We talk about this all the time and I kinda get it, we share all internet info and ideas as we are close and Im a bit peeved that they cant seem to eva have an answer.

    I recon that when I went for my housing loan for an investment property recently and they kept telling me they had an answer tomorrow and kept coming up with excuses not to approve Id tellem where to go. Next!

    Pitty what you say mikecheck seems to be happenin.

    Just buttn in. for a friend and dont see why someone should jump down me throat either,K.

    Comment by omen — 27th February 2008 @ 5:56 am

  240. Well thank you for that am very moved. I guess some people do care. thank you omen… Just so you know my hubby had a bit of a comment here and I must say was very nice of him. Told me when I got home.

    Ive some days been very upset about the way people treat each other on this site and even though, this comment is not about the GPP as such, I think its relevant because people can be so nasty and they do not need to be. Wont mention any names.

    I say, make a point without the aggression Its obviously not really us your frustrated at. You must be cranky inside subconsciously about something else ay!!! I don’t think Ben started this blog to read vicious comments for his amusement. Sammy!

    Comment by SM — 27th February 2008 @ 8:25 am

  241. Hi Ben,

    sorry this place is sometimes like an internet cafe, many friends visiting and busy on our computers also trading forex (yes MC we also watching movies, etc.)so whatever happens please don’t get paranoid about IP adresses because it must be a terrible boring job, in particular that MC now appears to be all over your website repeating the same stuff in every post, like a big fly in one of those smelly houses ssssssssss!! But maybe you like it like that because you like to fight legal systems as scam, good for you?!

    I see Dina now plays Rambo and Night Rider, wow, quite an assemble of “dangerous characters”, I start to shiver. It stands to reason that Stella and Co are well protected because of all the sickos in this world, maybe soon a big war 🙂 , remember John Lennon, high trees catch the wind and I think he did not deserve that, he did create wonderful tunes, etc!

    Could somebody please tell MC that Stella WILL NOT answer any letters, no need for that, she has treated most pressing questions in her last mail and has better things to do than to waste her time with strange humans just wanting to be negative and downright childish and difficult.

    And JH… die ongelowige Thomas, let me tell you we know people that have worked with GPP, they are real for sure and are doing a good job, don’t worry!!

    Comment by extan — 27th February 2008 @ 9:02 am

  242. For anyone who think this is a game just watch what happens soon,we are just doing what is needed and do not expect to earn a lot of money from it ,more important to nail theese people
    So far it is only expences and not like 30 or 40 euros but more like 10.000 usd,but we have resourses and money will not stop us
    We like wars ,that is our life for the past 20 years so protection is just another word,nobody is protected

    Comment by dina — 27th February 2008 @ 9:30 am

  243. I took a look back a bit and I don’t get weather your for or against GPP. In No.83 etc comment It seems as though you are frustrated with GPP. Guess you are changing your mind all the time like me. I cant make heads or tales of why you are Cranky.

    And also this maybe nothing but you have changed you sign out name to lower case. It was in upper case for so long. Is it really you still? And don’t blast my head off either. I find it hard to believe that the old EXTAN would be this way.

    Comment by SM — 27th February 2008 @ 9:37 am

  244. Does that mean Extan, John2004, and crapping pigeon are the same poster?
    And , if so, what the heck is wrong with him? Does he need that $35? (I can’t even remember the price, now)

    Comment by zippy — 27th February 2008 @ 10:33 am

  245. Some entries really flabbergast me, some we have to ignore. By the way ZIPPY, you are right, maybe try some other names as well, if that is really important, I’m a jackal after all :-).

    My real name is on the internet having discovered an extremely hidden scientific effect(very useful)at my previous work (p/o magnetism), being often quoted and having published in Elsevier Science, etc. So why not have some fun, always experimenting… makes me laugh a lot and don’t have go to the shrink!

    Dina, real mercenaries do not advertise their real intensions!

    Hi Sammy, in posting 83 GPP was suddenly off for one week after non-stop operation for ca. 3 years, like an implosion. As reported the situation has changed dramatically (eye opening) but that does not mean that I could revert back to Dina’s tactics if things change drastically again. However using simple aquired human behaviour knowledge (Theories of Personally, etc.)I’m pretty sure that GPP is now commited to be on the right track, (due to the sum of all reasonable actions) so Dina’s stuff is now really uncalled for, does not make any sense at all, misdirected action!!

    Comment by EXTAN: extant=still exist — 27th February 2008 @ 12:10 pm

  246. personality wars… happens whenever the hormones get flowing… Can we all make a pact to keep this GPP related and avoid the personal attacks that have made this blog such difficult reading at times?

    Comment by Goosey — 27th February 2008 @ 12:36 pm

  247. WOW!!!
    I must say:
    Before I was going to Switzerland for weekend I thought this blog is on a better way…
    But…I’m back now and this is devastating…
    It’s like some of the members are becoming more insane with every new post they are excreting. It’s like a disease…
    We have this little “guerilla-girl” and “foam-at-the-mouth-mike” and and and…
    All adults in here? Someone should check that out.
    In Germany we say Kindergarten and i reckon you know this as well.
    So get well soon!

    Comment by Socke — 27th February 2008 @ 3:32 pm

  248. Goosey!
    A belated response to your post 329…
    At first I have to say that my attitude is not extreme in any direction.
    It’s reserved. I’m relaxed.
    Everyone is responsible for oneself and especially for own “investments”. Some members forgot.(sorry,repeating myself)
    And in this blog some posts are going unheeded (right term?!?) because of others fighting a running battle.
    Back to your thoughts.
    I DID my own investigation and I had the same idea why GPP is in such a slow pace.
    It’s in consequence of the hugh member limit. All the other (successful) RPPs are limited much lower.
    The resurrection of the member button may be a hint to that problem.
    Simply to check out how many members are still out there.
    The program is running since 2005 with really bad information/communication and it’s a syllogism that a lot of members could have capitulated or even have died.(well-placed humor 😉 )
    And don’t forget the number of members who will not release their IDs.
    And the banking solution…
    I don’t know so it’s better not to comment on this matter. In this blog are more than enough posts full of statements by people who make a great show of learning.
    And NOTHING that is written here will never ever have any influence at all.
    At the most some kind of negative effect like self-fulfilling prophecy or something.
    So again, just WAIT!
    And now I wait a bit to be shot down in flames as usual 😉

    Comment by Socke — 27th February 2008 @ 5:23 pm

  249. Latest post on TeamTHEMCO:

    Subject: FSCF – Five days and counting…

    “Statement of Fund to date.

    In just 5 days 75 members have pledged €8,131,000 towards Stella’s Children’s Fund – more amazing.
    ~~~~~~~~~
    We thank you for your generous support and for your kind comments in respect of this initiative.
    Please note: The names of the donors have been withheld at their request, but will appear on each of the updates forwarded to Stella.”

    Comment by Blade68 — 27th February 2008 @ 6:14 pm

  250. “In just 5 days 75 members have pledged €8,131,000 towards Stella’s Children’s Fund – more amazing.”

    Quite frankly I find this disgusting. “Stella’s Children’s Fund”?

    There is no “Children’s Fund” and using the promise of charity donations to solicit more so-called investors is perhaps one of the lowest things I have EVER seen.

    Comment by Ben — 27th February 2008 @ 6:26 pm

  251. I agree, Ben. When they pull the charity or religion card in these things, it sets me off. I volunteer for four REGISTERED charities. Why have we no info about “Bread for Kids”? Why is there no mention of this charity anywhere on the net? Every real charity can use the non-profit basis to market and get donations, so why is there zero net presence for this charity if it’s real?

    There WAS a charity on the first website for GPP but I seem to remember them pulling out when people started asking questions. Can anyone remember that, or correct me if I am wrong? I don’t recall it being “Bread for children”.

    Comment by zippy — 27th February 2008 @ 7:02 pm

  252. TeamThemco will have a good deal of explaining to do in the near future. They appear to be in cahoots with Mr. Boulat Rafikov, a major promoter (and possibly ‘Stella’) along with a professional cheerleader, Jill Bray who kindly edits their site for them.

    Comment by Owen Platt — 27th February 2008 @ 7:38 pm

  253. Comment by crapping pigeon:
    rokka rokka you are sicko, join mike checker, blah, blah blah.

    Well crapping pigeon, Its time to fly to your flock and claim victory.
    In the face of your arguments, can’t help but to surrender, not…
    I’d rather join mikecheck anytime, then GPP. I guess we’re hitting the right nerve with our comments, since it makes you that agitated.
    Just show the facts about GPP being legit and who is behind it, and we’ll go away. Go ahead, I dare you. Harder than you thought, probably much harder than recruiting your friends and relatives to this scam…

    Comment by Rokka — 27th February 2008 @ 7:40 pm

  254. The only cause to found this so called charity-thing by TeamThemco is (quote) “to find a way to attract Stella’s attention and gain her favour and co-operation again. They have come to the conclusion that they should appeal to her desire to raise funds for the children.They are going to need Stella’s support to hold your funds for the 3-5 days that it takes to incorporate their respective Foundations and open bank accounts…(unquote) and so on…”
    That’s concussive and has nothing to do with charity.
    Who the hell do they think they are?
    GPP sickens people…

    Comment by Socke — 27th February 2008 @ 8:09 pm

  255. zippy – The charity has been the same as far s I know. The name is “Children of Ecuador Foundation” (not to be confused with another Canadian charity by the same name). The site is BreadForKids.org.

    I have no specific information that points to this organization being other than as they describe, but I will say that there are some aspects that don’t build much confidence.

    The persons behind the site are known HYIP and MLM players and the charity itself has served as the designated charity for several such programs in the same way as they are now for GPP. In all cases, these programs were scams, and according to posts by the prinicples they received little or nothing and they later directly admitted that the programs sponsoring them were scams.

    When I contacted the “Ministry” as referenced on their site for licensing, it responded that it had no information regarding the charity.

    I can find no references to it on any of the typical international registries. I can find no reference to it or any of its activities by any other independent third-party.

    All of the sites listed on their sponsors page are run by the same persons who operate the charity site. There are no other entities listed other than those associated with the same persons.

    All of the images on the site are clip art. There are no original pictures or reports regarding specific activities of the charity. There is no information regarding sources and uses of funds.

    I could go on, but I think you get the point. They may very well do great things, but their past association with other scams, the lack of any verifiable credentials or other independent information otherwise, lack of any information regarding sources and uses of funds, and some specific aspects that are misleading, sure doesn’t look good.

    Comment by JH — 27th February 2008 @ 8:43 pm

  256. [Edit by Ben: Extan’s IP address on this one too. Can’t he just use the one username?]

    Much has been said in the last few posts, I guess nobody here is a real member of GPP, including Ben. About Themco I believe some time back they unwillingly (or were too eager) caused some extra trouble for GPP and that caused the rift, however they know her and still trust her, doesn’t this ring a bell?? Of course that’s a fly in the ointment for all you negative fictitious scam lovers and you do not see the trees in the woods?!

    If you know some of Alfred Adlers (1870) theories, “that everyone strives to achieve something worthwhile”, you may laugh when I say that Stella and Co. once had a big dream and they must have bitten of too much with all the strange humans this earth throws at you when big money is involved, greed, greed, greed!

    Now they have to adapt, they did well, but surely a lot less of a dream, they wanted also to do good (they will unless we mess it up) and obviously also earn money for themselves, lots of it in addition to what the members we’ll get, the childrens fund is still in their menu but little time because of unforseen trouble!

    Now you can start to scream!!!!!!!!!

    Comment by church mouse :-) — 27th February 2008 @ 9:33 pm

  257. Aha! Now that you have pointed my head to the correct direction I see from the whois for this charity, that the email address, http://whois.domaintools.com/breadforkids.org
    (maurivildrose@yahoo.co.uk) is also the address for 12 OTHER ANONYMOUS domains!
    And a UK email, a US phone number, and a “Somewhere in Quito” address.
    That’s a heck of a way to run a charity!

    So, I fooled around and found this post where “maurivil” is selling his own charity from “Ecuador”. Obviously, if “Mauri” was trawling in the HYIP forum, he’s not exactly starving in Ecuador.
    Oddly enough, it appears to also be for a pension plan!!
    How coincidental!- Not!

    http://www.thehyipforum.com/showthread.php?t=11061&page=3

    I have close friends from Quito, who are Quechua indians. I’m going to see if they can validate this charity. Failing that, I have my own ideas on who runs this popstand, now.

    Comment by zippy — 27th February 2008 @ 10:24 pm

  258. In my last post, I had thought CPP meant another pension plan. It appears to stand for “Community Portfolio Project”. A very nice gesture in their collecting the money, I certainly hope it went to a bonafide charity and not a scammer.

    Comment by zippy — 27th February 2008 @ 11:14 pm

  259. [Edit by Ben: This poster posted three comments (numbered 1 to 3, I’ve pasted them all here to save space). He was ‘kind’ enough to censor his own swear words!]

    (1) all the negativity sucks, stop f******g crying if the GPP is a scam it will come to a head sooner rather than later either way, there is such a thing called karma so stop whining like a little B**** i said shut up keep the negative comments to yourself after this post no more of the negative comments on this site mean anything if it is a scam we will all find out including all the negative faggot acting men that have there fingers in their you know what i mean, that continue to post negative comments. hey if you want to whine cry about all of my miss spelled words and the f’d up grammer in this message to you. hey have a wonderful rest of the year if you are able to and ask your local doctor about some derpression medication you need it.

    (2) hey dude stop already stop f*****G crying like a b****

    (3) love these N**’s weirdo

    Comment by what eva man — 28th February 2008 @ 3:51 am

  260. My Friends, another realitively long one. I think that we all could appreciate, at least some of these words (other than the GPP scammers, who no doubt want to ring my neck)….

    Omen,
    I can apprciate fact that you have family members involved in this program wanting/needing this money from this plan. As I noted, I know of others who have done the same. I am saddened that this has happened, and I have slowly worked in the possibility that this will not pay out. I do not just say forget it, but if I were to say it’s coming I would not be telling the truth.

    Extan, So you say that it is sometimes like an internet cafe’ there huh? Well it sounds like one all right… You all hanging around w/ several computers doing this and that. Yes looks can be deceiving… Just like this plan.

    IP addresses, yes they can be telling. So what country did you say that you were in? I’m not asking for anything. I’m simply wondering if yo’d tell us good people to see if you are telling the truth on at least that! If you can’t, well I’d say that’s another step in th wrong direction… Nudge Stella and ask her if you don’t know.

    What? You talking about. Why is this Stella so afraid to be known? Afraid of sicko’s huh? What reason should she be in hiding? Makes no sense. Besides, as will as she is hidden why should this ever have been a concern anyway. Oh yea, it’s the big banks who do not want her to get these monies. Searching for her to take her out. O.K., right….

    Why do you need to tell me that she won’t answer? I keep telling you since she’s sitting next to you just ask her for us and tell us!
    — That strange human statement… Just crazy.. Tell you what, o.k., I a strange human. This strange human would like for you Stella or whatever name you are using to tell the non-strange human of what’s happening w/ their cash.

    Another don’t wory be happy statement in 347. Give me a break! Sounds like you are about to say March! Feb is almost over! Better start figuring out what you are going to say on this “solution”… Everyone, perhaps I’m not financilly in the know, but I’ve never heard of a banking solution. If there is in fact one, Stell & Co., have never quite said what it is…

    Socke,
    Do you think that I have valid questions?
    …. I tend to agree with some of what you said, but this statement about understanding why GPP is having such a problem makes no sense. If GPP is woring abut the payout for those who may have died, what would their immediate concern be? They have provided no correspondence. They quite simply would not know! Therefore not a reason for a hold up.
    …. Then there is the case where there are so many people who have not provided this personal info. Good for them, I’d say (no worry for ID theft there). As for the unfortunate few who have provided this information, why don’t you give them the benefit of providing them with a payout first? Give it to them now!

    I’m not going to be one to shoot down your statements. I think that everyone can see for themselves the degree of… Let’s just say that they “understand your meaning”.

    Something you said earlier about these ficticious cahracters. My friend, I am surely not ficticious, as your dollars to be sent to us may be.

    zippy,
    Good job! good job indeed! An additional step towards exposing this scam.

    My friends,
    Sometimes these posts are too sad to believe. Can you immagine a charity raising 8 Million Euro, that is realitively unheard of? I couldn’t immagine, especially since this is also probably supposed to be a secret! I must say that to put on the guise of a charity is just too pitiful to speak of. To take food from babe’s mouth… Although I’m quite sure that this has money not been raised, it would have suited you better not to have put that out! To lie about a charity is the lowest!

    Lastly, as I am always told that I am repeating myself, would it be wrong if I were to say…
    No information shared w/ members
    Stella is too important to address us.
    Stella is apparently afraid of her own shadow
    Stella likes charities, especially their money!
    Different addresesses, different phone numbers, emails.

    I mean goodness, is that elusive enough!

    Rokka,
    Yes, let me join you. Let me say something that my GPP friends will understand… blah, blah blah.

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 28th February 2008 @ 4:14 am

  261. Members,

    I’m sorry for some of the errors in my writings. Looks like I was writing a bit too fast w/out review of grammar or continuity in some instances.

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 28th February 2008 @ 4:26 am

  262. Welcome, Mikecheck, and never worry about your writing. You have life!
    After I posted that about the charity with no address/phone/etc., I was thinking ….. Stella KNOWS this person with the charity, (How could she not? It’s supposedly so near and dear to her heart, right?) so, …either she is agreeing to get money sent to some “charity” that is Very suspect and therefore, she is “in on it”, or, if she is unaware of the lack of proper documentation and transparency that the charity has, or doesn’t know how to do a background check, then she is definitely not smart enough to open a bank, or to make the deals that are supposedly being made on members’ behalf with the Trust Partners.
    It can’t be both ways, it’s one or the other. Either she’s a part of this “charity” or she’s just not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

    Which would it be? Neither looks good.

    Comment by zippy — 28th February 2008 @ 5:53 am

  263. Not much left in this blog exept of cause “foam-in-the-mouth”, “please don’t bite me”, useless ramblings, no real content!

    church mouse or not, it was so obvious anyway, why all these bland limitations and hunting down IP addresses. One has to see it in context, not in a rigid square box. What did Einstein say one day about humans?

    About a childrens funds you can trace back Stellas “clean” ideas ex 2005, just investigating the idea and knowing about the possible pitfalls, so wy all this negative rubbish????????

    Please wake up, it’s a lovely morning 🙂 !

    Comment by EXTAN — 28th February 2008 @ 7:30 am

  264. Why so worried about us tacking down an IP address?

    Where is the Charity refisdtered? Can we see?

    Yes, show us these clean ideas from 2005. That would be great!

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 28th February 2008 @ 1:47 pm

  265. It’s time that Extan and JL stop defending these people and join the party.

    To begin with….NO real investor would have ever invested in this scam.

    Just a bunch of penny stock players and ignorant people with get rich quick on the brain.

    I’m watching as people who put their trust in this stupid plan are loosing everything.

    tell them something positive extan or JL ..why don’t you brighten there day

    Comment by Busting Gut — 28th February 2008 @ 2:38 pm

  266. sorry, not really possible to answer or respond to such s..t comments, if not member of GPP you have no info to make such derogative “foam-at-the-mouth” ‘Tollwut’ comments, please calm down, you are completely in the dark! I notice it has become quit deserted on this blog, intimidated by true facts from the source? 🙂

    Comment by EXTAN — 28th February 2008 @ 5:20 pm

  267. As reflected in the comments of those here who are mmembers, they have no more information and are more “in the dark” than anyone. So what makes you think that people against this scam don’t have as much or MORE information in that regard than any information supporting it as being real. You avoided answering earlier, so again, please enlighten us with the “facts from the source.” All you’ve done to date is to talk off-point and in circles.

    Like most GPP supporters, you hurt your case more than you help it with your own posts. You have NO FACTS. You continually post a bunch of ridiculous, insulting messages under various names. And then you expect anyone to take anything you have to say seriously? lol

    Comment by JH — 28th February 2008 @ 6:21 pm

  268. i have to agree in most part with you JH but as a plan member and supporter was given the plan as a gift so didnt even choose to become a member but i do choose to remain to be one ..I hope with every fiber of my being that the plan pays out not only for my own good but the good of the many investors in the scheme. Whilst I also agree it seems impossible to do and for it to be be to good to be true ….. just as far fetched as believing in the best of people who truly want to do good for more than themselfs … but it happens whether this is the case or not time and patience will only time will tell…no good can ever come of being nasty in bloggs to fellow contributors…and some of the comments from both sides i personally have found offensive and detracting from the debate.

    if the plan does pay out …wooohooo good times will be had by many :)… if it doesent …will be sad especially for those who risked more than they should have … smiles but the people i wont be sorry for are the ones who risked thousands of pounds because that was just greedy in the first place ….

    Comment by bridget — 28th February 2008 @ 9:28 pm

  269. Oh JH that sounds pretty sour, SORRY we have instructions not to blah blah stuff from the GPP website, because non members will only cause trouble and we would lose our membership and maybe mess-up the project, so obviously we rather want our millions of euros and get out of our misery life, so please understand our position or join GPP then you can get at least 55000 Euro… no guarantee given!

    Have a good day and don’t worry I’m not cast into a square box about various user names, let the little boy in me play a bit 🙂

    Comment by EXTAN — 28th February 2008 @ 9:32 pm

  270. So, in other words, ya got nuthin.

    Like we all don’t have access to everything that’s been “revealed” by GPP anyway. lol The authorities are already after them, their registrar dropped them as did their payment processors, no banks want to have anything to do with them, and most of their members have are fed up with their BS. How much worse could anyone else “mess up the project?” Seems they’ve done a pretty good job at that all on their own.

    As I said, the members know less than most who have really taken a hard look at it. We’re not afraid to show independently verifiable information regarding GPP and its program. Unfortunately for their members, they can’t say the same.

    Comment by JH — 28th February 2008 @ 11:04 pm

  271. mike
    you would be well advised to read posts more carefully.
    I never said that (quote incl.orthographic mistakes 😉 )”GPP is woring abut the payout for those who may have died”(unquote).
    You took that one sentence of mine about a potential dead of members out of context.
    Another error in reasoning is the part contains “data that is provided already”. That’s not what I said.
    I meant the ID that will NOT be sent by each member.
    But I’m not surprised. You are so motivated to answer extensively to each and every post that some slips of the pen can happen easily.
    And I’m NOT talking about orthographic mistakes…
    I think this is my last response to you, it’s not worth the trouble.

    Another thing!
    Did anybody see the new (I reckon it’s the first too) “member post” by Ute Kaschel at the german forum? (Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 10:35 am)
    It’s captioned with MEMBERS CATCHING THE SPEAKER’S EYE
    She is talking about the book THE SECRET and a lot of positive energie.
    Do or did you have got this one or the like in the english forum?
    Does anyone remember? Was too lazy to look for…
    Nevertheless bad timing, bad strategie…

    Comment by Socke — 28th February 2008 @ 11:09 pm

  272. MikeCheck strikes again.

    Comment by Gabriel — 29th February 2008 @ 12:03 am

  273. Eva Man,
    I have one thing to say to you. February 29th! Tomorrow is the last day of the month, and look this year you are lucky enough to have an additional day! So, what was GPP saying about March?

    Extan,
    Tell you what, since Stella has all of this information specifically for members, why hasn’t she shared it? Surely she has their email addresses! This way the public would not get it! Good idea huh?
    To add…what

    Oh, so you say that there is a lot of “foam-in-the-mouth” action going on. Hmmm interesting. You state that you do not want to get bitten… You have nothing to worry about. We can’t find you or Stella in the first place. I think that you will be safe. Unless you are worring about these “phantom bankers” who “don’t want us to make money”.

    Bridgett,
    I hate to agree, but I’m sure that there were many who invested much more than they should have. I’m very sad for those. Do you consider me as being one who has provided dis information? To be serious, I will respect anyone even these scammers. I will say however, that I will answer any question posed to me. On the other hand your GPP scammers do everything that they can to ildude providing an answer.

    JH,
    In your post 366, I was about to say the same thing! How pathetic the various names and no information provided by stella & co…
    Everyone, just take a quick look. You tell me if those words are not true.

    Socke,
    I will take your advise and review my statements more carefully. I stand corrected. At that point, probably too tired. It was time to go to sleep for me anyway.

    All,
    I’m not above correcting my wrongs. GPP on the other hand is a totally differnt story. Now, where was I….

    Well, let me just go back over some of these rediculous things that have taken place. The Stella charity… I still cannot get over this! Outrageous!

    As for those who are downing me… I ask why? Even if you do not agree with me in attempting to call out the scammers, at least why can’t they answer you? Surely you have taken note that not one question of any benefit has been answered! I’ve asked about why all of the use of email, not using the domain. Everyone, what I mean is why do they have a yahoo, or hotmail email accounts instead of Stella@GPP.com or something to that effect? If she’s handling the site, surely she should have one of those!

    My friends,
    What I am trying to do is to not have others fall prey to this scam, scams similar to this one (to include the other several being managed by some of the other GPP scammers). To mention the fact that I’d hope that no one would fall prey to this Stella charity goes without saying! Funny, have you heard anymore about this? Bet they won’t bring that back up!

    Extan, Stella & Co., I invite you to answer ANYONE’S question! Of course this questionmust come from someone on this blog other than yourself(s).

    FEB 29th!!!!! Now only hours away from the reason why we must be calm and wait for the dollar bills! Please do not provide these good people some insulting reason why you canot produce. If this is not seen, I’m afraid that I will have to extend my fndings with other blogs. I would do like to prevent others from falling prey to such a scam.

    Again, I wish that I could say that I’m worng but I have seen nothing to say that this is valid. In fact there have been so many here that have explained why it would not work. It unfortunately is true. It does not work. If it does however March 1st will be that day!!! Isn’t that right Stella(s)!

    Members, I am surely not even attempting to tell you not to invest in such a scam, I mean program. I would say for those who are considering it or telling others to participate, to wait and see how well this pays out! They won’t loose out! As you can see they are accepting additional money for the next program… Or something… They have not quite said what these additional contracts are supposedly for…

    Oh yea, please review zippy’s post 356. Just noted that this post even better explains what I mentioned…

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 29th February 2008 @ 4:39 am

  274. Exactly, MikeCheck! Why is support not support@globalpp.net, and not @googlemail? What the heck is that? Big business?
    The same goes for the charity. The guy owns servers, runs a hosting company, owns THAT site and domain, yet his email is maurivildrose@yahoo.co.uk. NOT a…real…name@breadforkids.org.

    Obviously, he used a generic mail to avoid being traced back to this charity(and yes, how low a slug he is who uses children to get money!)

    BTW, all those sites that he says approves the Breadforchildren site, are his sites as well! So, he is his own cheerleader.
    I am now convinced that these people have made excellent use of psychology. I would bet, when you’re reading “Stella’s” updates, you have a mental picture of this lady alone with a heap of work and papers on her desk. She writes like a nice INNOCENT lady. She sounds like she would be sweet and caring. Worrying about her charities- aah- the children.

    But, they are words, and anyone can paint a picture. Right now, you have no clue if I am a female or male, tall, short, nigerian, Chinese, educated, uneducated, or merely a bunch of teenagers playing with people’s heads on the computer. Maybe I’m just a crazy old bald man, stuck in my little apartment, bored with my life, so I take my frustrations out on people in forums.
    No one knows WHO Stella is, (except the elite ‘insiders’, who are probably a paid part of all this). It COULD be what you envision, and yet, on the other hand, it could be a cartel of serial scammers, setting up scam after scam and counting on people like you to say and keep saying, “It’s only $40. Not worth calling the police about.”
    And then she talks about the saboteurs who want to stop GPP. There are no saboteurs. There were no DDos attacks. Do you not remember last September when she bought the very expensive ‘”ddos attack stopping set-up”? So, how are there more ddos attacks? from whom? Rubbish!

    Stella, as you imagine, does not exist.
    I will tell you a secret. Maurivildrose IS a member of GPP and has been for some time. Obviously, he did NOT use fake info when he registered with Stella, or he would not get his payout,…unless, of course, he knows, there is no payout!
    So, Stella KNOWS who he is. And who he is not. End of story.

    GPP is over. Extan’s “job” is to run interference, which is why he never answers. Don’t worry, Mike, it’s all unraveling and Extan is in the middle, that’s why he talks like he’s drunk.

    Comment by zippy — 29th February 2008 @ 5:35 am

  275. My oh my… non members in total disarray and going over the top like a fizz and take everything out of context, talking absolute hogwash, some can not even read properly. Well, MC is a total disaster and he asks what is wrong and repeats forever, how boring!

    The good news is that our GPP “savings” are still growing, meaning that additional memberships are being bought. Seems the German group is very active, Finland also well represented,etc., I guess if Stella and Co. would skim off all additional gains then why up our accounts, makes your twisted brain think, or doesn’t it? It simply beats me!

    Take care!!!

    Comment by EXTAN — 29th February 2008 @ 7:26 am

  276. And, thus, my point is proved.

    Comment by zippy — 29th February 2008 @ 8:07 am

  277. “FEAR IS THE GREAT DESTROYER!

    (Cry wolf! IT IS A SCAM!! …GPP WILL NOT PAY OUT!!)
    according to most of you!

    Give fear command of your life

    And you will be powerless to achieve anything worth while!”

    “As a man thinketh in his heart
    So is he”!

    There is no one as poor
    As the man WITH money in his pocket
    But WITHOUT a dream in his heart.

    MY MOTTO!!
    I would rather live without a penny in my pocket
    Than live WITHOUT A DREAM IN MY HEART!!

    Comment by JL — 29th February 2008 @ 8:27 am

  278. zippy going bunkers?!

    Comment by EXTAN — 29th February 2008 @ 9:02 am

  279. Extan,I read the swedish forum daily. You’re full of it. They aren’t buying. They’re arguing about calling the FBI and Interpol. Quit with the sales pitch. “Grab ’em while they’re hot! They’re going fast!”
    Why would you want to push for more sales, Extan? Don’t you have enough members for the first lot to pay out? Sure, you do. But, while you’re dragging these shenanigans out, let’s squeeze the crowd for a few more bills.
    Knock it off with your members/non-members baloney. Nobody is ‘going away” because you said so.
    BTW, you’re sounding a lot like punnup these days.

    Comment by zippy — 29th February 2008 @ 11:31 am

  280. Can’t find “punnup” in the ENGLISH dict??? Auch nicht Deutsch oder watter taal praat jy, ken jy die lied: Del a Rey, De la Rey, hier kom ons? And which Swedish forum, full of what????? Are you a women?

    Nobody said “go away”, maybe I should? Hope more people will post, I’m only a sponsored member, and would only get 55K E, not working for GPP, I work for a Technical University (different IP)in the beautiful Cape of Good Hope.

    Hey BEN, now you got my secret, which was available anyway!

    I was talking about GPP members that have a downline, some earning a few millions, lucky them, did you know that such amounts are possible? And they can see that their total “saving” grows, say from 8,35M to 8,58M in say 3 days, whatever, which means that funds are still flowing in, they have a new e-mail addr., thought that’s interesting info unless you do not understand?! And from such data one can obviously deduce a few POSITIVE things unless you are blanked off!

    Comment by EXTAN — 29th February 2008 @ 2:15 pm

  281. Extan, you do realize that by your own post you demonstrate that their numbers don’t work? Given your extensive knowledge regarding the “data” and your deductive abilities, here are a couple of simple, direct questions for you.

    First, based on the number of members at 100,000 original policies plus the 250,000 additional policies, what is the MINIMUM numbers of members who would be expected to fill the matrix to the full 12 levels?

    Second, how many members at the full referral matrix level would it take to exceed ALL of the money available to fund the program not even counting the promised 55,000/110,000 payments? Hint, they’d each receive 16,000,000 Euro.

    These numbers can be calculated fairly easily and do not need to be known precisely to demonstrate the result within a reasonable expected range. If you’re not capable of doing so on your own, then since you’re fortunate enough to work at a university, you might scoot over to the finance department and ask someone there to help (but you should be prepared to have them laugh in your face.)

    Please spare us the usual non-responsive reply. If you’re not able to “deduce” these numbers, which unlike GPP don’t lie, then you’ll simply demonstrate that you’re FOS (which BTW has basically the same meaning as “punup” to help you out there lol).

    Comment by JH — 29th February 2008 @ 6:59 pm

  282. Your “minimun number”S” of members” is very bad English, we have a English crasher course 🙂 there is absolutely nothing to calculate for me, I don’t get that money anyway, so why should I waste my time for you??

    I should not even respond!

    I just talked about illustrative values, not saying what gets paid out, not implying anything besides observed facts, that people are still paying in, etc. I guess you cannot understand what I wrote, you seem to be blanked off??? Or do you want to start an IQ test?

    Maybe you have not heard about the concept of gearing and other methods of creating “big” funds since the Marshal Plan after WW2, the Tsunamis, etc, as well as the advent of trading Forex etc., assuming you have enough funds to start to get moving? Nobody said that they would do it in a 2% savings account at the corner bank?

    FOS you too, whatever that means, I’m not into abbreviations or non English low class jargon.

    Sleep well!

    Comment by EXTAN — 29th February 2008 @ 8:23 pm

  283. Apparently, you’ve not heard of simple math. And as expected you have no substantive response other than to go off on some non-responsive tangent re gearing and WWII. lol

    The answer of course is that the payouts from the referrals alone quickly exceed the total value of the funds supposedly received from the “bank.” And a 2% return would be about double the 1.2% that the “bank” providing the funding for this deal would receive. In fact, they’d do about 300% better by using a simple 2% APR account at their corner bank.

    As I said, you’re the worst enemy of your own case and your nonsensical replies just serve to prove my points. Keep up the good work.

    Comment by JH — 29th February 2008 @ 8:41 pm

  284. Oh my,..the foulest mouth in the thread is “not into abbreviations or English low class jargon”?
    And, JH used correct English, sir. Your crash(er) course did not teach you that he used “number” as a noun, therefore, it remains singular, as it is a “number”.
    And that would be an “English CRASH course” , not “Crash(er) course”.
    There’s no such thing as a “Crasher Course”.
    Cape of Good Hope? Maybe TOO MUCH HOPE? Would you, by any chance, be connected to “World Park”, in Namibia, or Boulat Rafikov?

    Comment by zippy — 29th February 2008 @ 9:08 pm

  285. Well, always wrong, consult the Oxford, “numbers of members” is ALWAYS wrong, “number” is right as I had said, you are reading wrong, unless you are an American and leave out the letters and mess up the language, also sorry here we call it either crash or crasher, because someone who goes for a crash course crashes for sure!

    About math I was always the best in the class, 100%+, sometimes give and taqke one or two, even at Tech Uni (Fachhochschule) also correcting the lecturer and then losing marks for his mistakes 🙁 . So don’t worry, I have nothing to prove to you and you can say what you like, mush in your head? At least you did not object to the idea that with Forex trading, using enough money, good software and proper big stops you can earn really big?

    Was born in SWA (Namibia) we did not take drugs in school and are not messed up like you 🙂

    Comment by EXTAN — 29th February 2008 @ 10:24 pm

  286. My my my goodness! I cannot say in words how pathetic, how utterly rediculous Extan sounds! if this weren’t so frustrating I’d be tempted so to laugh. Now where do I begin! Ah, I know, the source of this circle talking…

    Extan,
    It is simply incredulous to even think that you have any idea of what you are talking about mathmatically, after being busted by JH! This is just rediculous! Especially your response. It is almost… no it is…sad. Non responses continually. Extan, we are not stupid. I’d take it that you realize this by now.

    Your statement referring to this additional money should infuriate every member in the program! Why should anyone in this program be concerned with this additonal money sitting in an account when it serves no benefit to anyone in the program (supposedly other than GPP). If everyone (by some chance)were to get this payout, then GPP would have significantly benefited finanially. Also, what does tading on the Forex have to do with the GPP program? Opps.. Something else you wont speak of again huh?

    Oh my, you think quite a bit of yourself don’t you? So you are so intelligent in math huh? Well how come you can’t review or even disprove JH? Answer, because you can’t, Mr. 100%.

    Hate that you think my statements and the asking of serious questions are so vey boaring. Funny as it is, you have not addressed any of them, NOT ONE! I’d believe that as you are so caring for the members, that you’d be as kind to inform us of anything of importance. As usual, I can see that you care little for the members.

    In post 381, you noted that you should not even answer a question… Well, you ARE in fact doing a good job at that! Why even make such a statement? Should have kept that to yourself.

    JL,
    I like your post. Good positive thoughts. I however,do not think that this is a legitimate program. I can understand that fear of being scammed could be perceived. I however, am of the opinion that we have been scammed. I therefore have accepted this fact and have no fear on this topic. You state:

    There is no one as poor
    As the man WITH money in his pocket
    But WITHOUT a dream in his heart.

    I could not agree more. A well said statement.

    Your Motto:
    I would rather live without a penny in my pocket
    Than live WITHOUT A DREAM IN MY HEART!!

    That too is also a good motto, that I also agree with. I can appreciate this in several ways/respects.

    Not to sound negative but as I mentioned earlier, though we all would have dreams in their hearts for this wonderfull bounty, I do not see it happening. The reason is all too obvious. In looking at all of this information that has been reviewed (non answers to valid questions,the jumping around of servers, the apparent use of a internet cafe’, use of inappropriate for busness email addresses, said use of additonal monies not used for the members benefit, and the extreemly curious use of the FOREX maket with our monies). I cannot help but to think that this is complex psycological manipulation, as well put by zippy in post 373. – At the same time, this motto also provides us with the benefit of knowing that we can obtain the benefit of achieve our dreams. I’d not base them on this program to achieve them however. This program attempts to steal these dreams, but again the may still be had.

    Comments anyone?

    Extan, you have anything to say that does not run around in your usual circle?? Oh yea, this is probably another post that you find boaring. Do us all a favor and come up with something more original than that…

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 1st March 2008 @ 6:08 am

  287. When we enrolled with GPP, we all KNEW that perhaps we were taking a chance and we saw it in the context of buying a lottery ticket.

    We were all PREPARED to take the chance and come on guys, what can you do with the small fee you paid after all to become part of this possible dream? I am sure you spend more buying lottery tickets every week!

    You must remember that every cause has an effect. Should there be a negative outcome to GPP, God will sort them out. Nobody gets away with it. Every thought, action, deed, broken promise, lie or destroyed dream, is noted and one day we pay for them!

    I do not carry the burden and have peace in my heart, KNOWING that what goes around, comes around!

    It is not about the money, it is about the dreams all of us have to better our lives and the lives of others that we want to help. All around us there is poverty and hard times that most people are going through. And if we can make a difference with the money from GPP, we have achieved a worthwhile goal.

    That, in a nutshell, is my perspective of GPP. Let’s wait. Time alone will tell.

    Comment by JL — 1st March 2008 @ 7:14 am

  288. If this Gpp dont end soon, man this bloody blog spot is gunna go in the BEGINNERS INTERNET PAGE OF WORLD RECORDS, for the longest posted page in the history of Bloomen Blogs. Cracks me up. Im havn a cack, realy Its startn to make me laugh.

    No pun intended about ya posts Just how long and many there are about the same ol!!! and BLASTen the beGeezes out of each other!

    Hey Beno maybe you should entre it in the Beginners Book A World Records mate.

    Cum on GPP Cum on – Cum on!!!(Sing along with me) Were All Waiting. I thought is was just me missus worrying.(Not that she is any more shes just waitn NOW) BUT I was wrong Its all o ya!

    Could be worse We could all be on the TITANIC and thinking we are gonna have a good night and PART-EY!, When all of a sudden BOOM!!! were like frozen human popsicles bobin around in the middle of the ocean givn our missus the floating door to lay on while we wait to freeze and sink into oblivian. He He!!!

    HAPPY DAYS FELLAS!!! Put ya feet up n have a BEER with me whilst we WAIT. This blogs gettn to bloody serious aint it?

    Cheer up!!! All Anger leads to premature death wouldnt that make ya policies worth while for em Ay!

    Come on I no ya dont know me But Im Cheerin for yas so Have a beer with me unless ist mornin where you are.

    Comment by omen — 1st March 2008 @ 7:31 am

  289. Ain’t I’m lucky to be associated with this lovely lady, real positive stuff makes us all feel well. But we should really stop this other non-sense, it leads nowhere. JH needs math and matrix to calculate the downlines, I recommend Grade A BASIC ARITHMETIC, math is something else!

    Apart from GPP’s admin, we cannot really know which of our downlines purchased another membership and so on, you only see your total and can deduce from that, and so what, we’ll see what gets paid out anyway or not, it’s anyones guess!

    Please don’t cry if you lost out, there are other possibilities, be careful 🙂

    Comment by extan — 1st March 2008 @ 7:44 am

  290. March 1st!

    MikeCheck

    Comment by mikecheck — 1st March 2008 @ 7:46 am

  291. Omen,

    You have da rite idea! Bring it on brother!

    At least you put a little bit of fun into reading
    this S E R I O U S …. blog:-)

    Enjoy!

    Comment by JL — 1st March 2008 @ 8:11 am

  292. Your welcome JL, You have the right idea too darl. Keep the good vibes comin. when we all get rich – and now Im beein positive how about we all raise our glasses and toast to our victory!! Maybe have an Internet party and a bit of a CELEBRATE in cyber space. good on ya Mateeey.

    If it dont go so well guess weel just have to CELEBRATE bein alive n heathly and still able to down a coldy around the barby. Maybe it wont be a YOU BUTE one but whos lookin an who cares.

    Comment by omen — 1st March 2008 @ 9:53 am

  293. If I were you I would be ashamed of the last six or seven posts.
    You should found a self-help group for desperate housewifes.
    Your lifes must be boring and you parents did something wrong.
    Or is this a special kind of english humor that I can’t understand because I’m german?
    Maybe mistranslation…:-(
    So, EXTAN, I recognized that you had no problems with the german language, right?
    Ich glaube, Du bist ein netter Kerl und bist auch nicht dumm, was man, glaube ich, von einigen hier nicht sagen kann – mein Gott!!! Armes Land!!!
    Also bitte ich DICH (bei der “Gegenseite” habe ich keine Hoffnung auf Besserung), ignorier den Kinderkram einfach und lass uns entspannt die Zeit abwarten.
    Zurück zur Schwarzwälder Kirschtorte und Kaffee!!!
    Herrjeh!

    Comment by Socke — 1st March 2008 @ 10:04 am

  294. Hallo Socke, endlich wieder etwas Leben auf diesem Blog, den Kinderkram von MC ignoriere ich schon… better return to English, wonder about whom you were talking about in your initial lines? Mieskien daardie REPEAT EVERYTHING pampoen? (Afrikaans was developed from dutch)Yes our future president has only a grade 3 school certificate and a heavy criminal record under current investigation, now the judiciary, special police forces, etc. will soon flounder and he is sooo popular.

    So we need a GPP payout soon to take a EURO holiday if needs be. Tourists were this morning again mugged on table mountain (aptly named “skeleton gorge”) by those shady guys, everything was obviously stolen, standard conditions of employment for 65% of the population.. But we keep on hiking, I have a heavy golf stick to use if needed…. hole in one 🙂

    Comment by extan — 1st March 2008 @ 10:44 am

  295. I’m glad to read a post without any personal reproaches.
    And Im not hooked on harmony excessively…
    I have to go to Switzerland for this weekend again and I could make a hotel reservation for you 😉
    I mean, if you don’t know where to spend your holidays…
    No, joking apart!
    Ich drück die Daumen, dass das Schlimmste NICHT eintritt!
    And don’t use your golf stick in here anymore 😉

    Comment by Socke — 1st March 2008 @ 11:17 am

  296. I just read the German forum post March 1. Interesting. But not sure why all the languages dint get the same.

    Socke, Ich wurde mich Ihnen zu kaffe und irgendeiner kirchentorte anshlieBen wenn wir alle fliegen konnen, un einander hinuber zu treffen. Wouldnt that be interesting, Us all together from this site.

    Cheers! Have a good nite.

    P.S Hows my German, probably not to good. Ah Its good enough to say Hi to you anyway Lol.

    Comment by SM — 1st March 2008 @ 2:33 pm

  297. Why are there 2 new posts today from neverland on the dutch forum and nothing on ours? can anyone translate? this lack of communication is absolutely ridiculous!

    extan, the correct term is crash course, no such thing as a crasher course. I am english, i know.
    And if gpp are using our money to trade forex then this is more of a scam than we thought!

    Comment by Blade68 — 1st March 2008 @ 2:44 pm

  298. Good feelings and well being is a good thing. Keep hope alive!

    Indeed, I apply that to many things. Of course as mentioned by JH we all knew that this was a fisk. At least some of us did. Some in a downline knew less but hey, yes it was a risk. Sure we have all been ripped off at one time or anohter. Shoot, I remember getting ripped off from last summer! I’m not having faith that the person who did rip me off would come back and tell me that he’d make it all better. so would come back.

    omen, interesting post. Likening this program is an interesting simily. Yes we are parting righ now! It is unfortunate that the person selling the ticket was making a bee line straight for that iceburg, then immediately breaking camp!

    Extan,
    Now that I too am about harmony, if I have been confrontational, I’ll attempt to bag it!
    As for our good feelings, could you now provide us with some status on the program? Truly at this point whais the status?

    Pehaps Stella could enlighten this great group, who are looking for a payout?

    In any case, it is now March 1st. Are we to receive this payout now? Seriously, I have not heard anything about it, as Stella said. We were however tod to wait at the beginning of Feb. Wouldn’t you agree that it is now time?

    March 1st! I guess the baks will begin the payout beginning Monday when the banks open! This will be time to party my friends! I’ve already got my hat! What a beneficial thing that this will be to better our lives!

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 1st March 2008 @ 3:06 pm

  299. Hi Blade68

    You can translate the German pages with this website:

    http://imtranslator.com/

    It only contains letters from people about GPP.

    Enjoy

    Comment by JL — 1st March 2008 @ 4:40 pm

  300. Yes indeed blade68 the word is CRASH, I’m so sorry for this terrible mistake, must have thought about some gate crasher 🙂 )))

    There is no new info on GPP, I do NOT work for them, please do not ask again and again and again MC. They could give us some update about the bank solution = % to finish???

    Take care!!

    Comment by EXTAN — 1st March 2008 @ 5:20 pm

  301. Pay out March 3rd. Is that correct Stella or extan?

    Comment by mikecheck — 1st March 2008 @ 7:18 pm

  302. I just read through a few new member’s letters on GPP’s German forum moderated by “neverland”, an interesting development in more than one way, because GPP seems to open up a bit! Must say those letters are mostly positive and maybe sometimes critical, but no obvious troublemakers. 6 letters up to now. Are the Germans more gullible or what is going on? Personally I think it is a good development for obvious reasons, but I don’t think the money will arrive on Monday, it surely takes longer to go though the licence granting phase.

    Comment by EXTAN — 1st March 2008 @ 9:08 pm

  303. Extan,

    Then why wern’t we all told of this beforehand? Can you ask you buddy Stella that?

    What exactly is the “license granting phase”. Which of the never ending segments of this program are we in now. To be quite serious, it sounds like GPP has inept people working there. How can a company with al of these dollars not operate properly? Surely these licences and such should have been completed by now! It’s been 2 yrs!!!!

    My friends, this is why I do not believe in this program. Lies after lies!!!! Why don’t you get us the information as to exactly what GPP is doing now, other than have it’s members “wait” for what’s just around the corner?

    As I said all February, March would come around with yet another reason for a delay. As I said, to extan, please come up with another reason why this will be delayed… again. Looks like he pulled through!! Good for you extan! I suppose next month the dog will have eaten the license….

    People have we now had enough of this nonsense? As I ased before, in looking out for our fellow man, please do not suggest to anyone to join this program… They are giving thier money away!… Oh yes in that great 2% saving account, used to play the FOREX. At the same time you might note this preposterous charity for Stella (specifically)!

    MikeCheck

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 1st March 2008 @ 9:44 pm

  304. We now have an English post in the forum, for March 1st. But from what I can gather as my German is only High school worthy, It is not the same one as the Deutschland site.

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but, I think its a different person too.???

    I like what it said though, When you stop the negative thoughts and find kind and positive ones it all feels as though Anything can happen.(Even the facts and innuendo, Cant take it away).

    Feels Good.

    Comment by SM — 2nd March 2008 @ 3:23 am

  305. My friends,
    let’s once again review what we were told many months back… These are Stella’s words! Not my own at all!!

    —–Stella’s words ———-BEGIN
    We have a deadline!

    Because of what’s happening in the e-currency world, the Trust Partner has decided to set a deadline to reach the 100.000 members target. The date will be the31st of August 2007. This means that we have four months to go.
    ———Stella,s words——END

    Yes, just a small segment of what was said… We’ve got nothing to worry about now! Feb has now left the building (like Elvis)! Nonetheless, Banks open March 3rd!

    Extan, Stella,

    Let’s do this thing! As mentioned earlier, A man’s (or Woman’s) word is their bond! May GPPer’s are watching! What do you say!

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 2nd March 2008 @ 5:31 am

  306. This is the latest post on TeamTHEMCO, i think its disgusting that they are encouraging this when we have had no sign of a payout! and why do the kids get 57000 all of a sudden and not 55000?

    FSCF – Momentum building……

    Statement of Fund to date.
    |

    In just 9 days 89 members have pledged €9,385,000 towards Stella’s Children’s Fund – even more amazing.
    |
    We thank you for your generous support and for your kind comments in respect of this initiative.
    Please note: The usernames of the donors will appear on each of the updates forwarded to Stella.

    If you wish to contribute to this initiative, please send an e-mail to themco@gmail.com so that arrangements can be made for you to make a pledge, in advance of sending funds to buy an Additional Policy. The purchase of each Additional Policy will benefit the fund, and hence the children, by an additional €57,000. This is how the fund can grow so quickly. Thank you.

    March 2, 2008 Posted by teamthemco | FSCF | | No Comments

    Comment by Blade68 — 2nd March 2008 @ 1:08 pm

  307. You’d think, with the fake charity and their partners being exposed, they’d be using their heads. Perhaps someone needs to call/send to the British newspapers,…..I certainly hope these folks haven’t been actually SPENDING the “un-money”. Numbers on a chart are one thing,….spending money you don’t have is another.
    Apparently, the management company has neglected to tell the flock what’s up.
    Maybe they’re still bringing in sign-ups. Lucky Stella.

    Comment by zippy — 2nd March 2008 @ 5:40 pm

  308. Hey, what happend to Dina, shooting in the Afgan mountains or marching in Siberia? 🙂 MC I do not know Stella, OK?!!

    Comment by EXTAN — 2nd March 2008 @ 6:12 pm

  309. Extan, and other GPP employees,

    You state that you do not work for Stella & Co. Well do you know them?

    You say that 89 members have stated that they’d provide approx 104 euro each… That’s a good one! Tell you what, I’ll throw a couple of dollars your way too… Just as soon as I get this payout.
    YES members, let’s all pledge to give Stella some of our money AFTER the payout… Let’s all let Stella know that her charity will get a load of bills after the banking solution is over…
    OH, BY THE WAY, this should be Monday shouldn’t it!!!! What a bounty for Stella’s charity!

    Oh, how do I send Stella this money? Web transfer? Got an address?Not! Oh, could you send us her charity’s website? Maybe I could get some info from there? Oh, no website just yet? Then where is the charity registered? Oh, can’t answer such questions YET AGAIN?!?!
    — I mean like that is simply crazy that you would want US to go through the trouble of emailing YOU! Where is the wesite to make this a simple transaction!!! You GPPer’s really have to think very little of members intelligence. EVERYONE, in all charities that you have seen, isn’t there a box that you can cluck for donations on a secure web page that you can use to give a donation?

    Sad.

    Contract owners,
    As we can see, there is not further benefit in sending in money for additional contracts… IAW extan, everyone else should not be able to receive the benefit of a payout… right? Yes, and if this is the case, why should anyone send additional money?

    My friends,
    I need to tell others considering to get into this program has now ended. Our praise’s are to be given after this elusive payout. At which point they may join in!

    Once again for the 8th or 9th time, Extan Stella, or one of stella close friends who I know (supposedly) is on this blog, what’s the deal with the ansereing of these Additional questions once again?
    Crazy! This list of questions just gets longer and longer! Seems odd doesn’t it. It’s odd to me that’s for sure…..

    Tell you what… If anyone (GPPers) can answer a few of these valid questions I’ll chill somewhat. If not, well I’ll just post them ALL ONCE AGAIN and see how the members feel about none answering of these (what I believe) valid questions. I’m sure members would not midn just the questions, simple questions to be posted.

    I invite others to pose some questions to GPP…

    Everyone, If you’ve been following you’d know that this list is getting to be quite extensive! For all members whether you believe in it or not, surely anyone would like to know at least a few of these questions!!!

    So Stella
    Please wach out for those evil bankers and website attackers! I still do not know why anyone would want to attack that site. I’d think that a hacker would have something better to do than chase after this sca… I mean this program.

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 2nd March 2008 @ 10:00 pm

  310. Members,

    In that second paragraph above, I mistakenly said that the 89 members providing money to the charity, gave on average 104 euro each. I meant to say that they gave 104,000 euro each…IAW what TEAMThemco said….

    RIGHT! lol…

    Like I said, right after the payout, include me as a donor… I’ll even send this email to your “gmail” account”. This way, youll be able to give me the information that I’ll need to find out which bogus ebank to send my money to (I mean electronically transfer this money to), which must be done under cover of night, at 11:00 p.m. after the full moon (this to prevent these evil bankers from knowing what is happening).

    Then again, I don’t think that it will a problem at all in our giving of money. As is the case for us, getting this money from GPP is an ENTIRELY different story. Now you could not dissagree with that statement if you tried! I’d even be amused to see how Stella would answer that (eventhough we know that she won’t).

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 2nd March 2008 @ 10:20 pm

  311. This blog is now exclusive for Ben and MC, please enjoy it, maybe an urgent visit to a psychologist may be indicated.

    [Edit by Ben: I let you have free reign on this blog, extan, why are you giving me grief now?]

    By the way Ben, on ADSL through a home line your complete blog gets scanned in and eats up enormous so wrongly called “bandwith” actually it is allocated download/upload memory, typically 400k and with a contribution it easily goes to 1M. With looooooooooooooooong repeat letters from MC, it is costing everyone a lot of money, so why not keep just about 10 letters on an ACTIVE page, the rest archived?

    [Edit by Ben: Archiving is a manual task which takes some time. I am doing 100 comments at a time when I can but it is tedious work. Please bear with me and you will soon see the difference. MC has as much right to post here as you so I won’t be selectively archiving comments just because he writes more than others and you don’t agree with him.]

    Comment by extan — 3rd March 2008 @ 7:51 am

  312. “Stella’s” recent update:

    “Dear Members of Global Pension Plan!

    We know that many members are very excited and also quite nervous about the finalization of the plan.

    Everyone desires the payout and the patience of all of us has nearly been used up.

    Please believe us, we are in the same situation!

    We also would like the payout yesterday if possible.

    Always keep in mind – if you are not paid out we also do not get anything.

    As it has already been said a lot of times, “We will win this game ONLY as a team”.

    A team is as good as there is direct, straight, honest and constructive communication amongst each other.

    We had a lot of complaints recently from members:

    “Why haven’t you set this up earlier?”

    “But you had promised End of February!”

    “If you cannot set this thing up I have the perfect solution here, it is so very easy.”

    “Now they want to get even more from us, signing up more people and contracts.”

    “First you say bank solution, then no bank solution at all, then again bank solution, what the hell is going on?”

    Believe us, we have noticed all your complaints, we really know all of them. From your viewpoint it is really understandable that reactions of that kind came up.

    However, from our viewpoint things look a bit different as we are dealing with forces and establishments that are fighting us, that don’t want us to succeed and that are outright sabotaging us and continuously trying to give us a bad name.

    So today we need all of you here to really come together and listen carefully.

    Lots of things happened in these last days and weeks.

    Lots of things you need to know about.

    Our business is totally legal and honest and the Compensations and Loyalty Program Rewards are being earned in a totally correct way. We are in no way criminal or dealing with such persons. We have nothing to do with Drugs, Weapons or any other criminal dealings.

    However the established international Banking World has already reacted to these future upcoming payouts.

    Several Central Banks in some jurisdictions have advised the national banks to not accept amounts send from us.

    Therefore payouts which we would send to personal accounts of members are liable to be either frozen and investigated or even sent back. But this is not even the most negative effect this would have. Actually sooner or later everyone would have to admit that all is fine with the and its origin is totally legal etc.

    BUT these measures being taken by banks all over the world towards us would spread like wildfire all over the planet and that could lead to discrediting us in such a way that the whole Program could fail.

    You can be sure that we have tried everything to really make it possible for all those that have appropriate personal accounts to receive the payouts there.

    So what to do? According to several surveys we did amongst members and their downlines, we had about 90 % of the members who would take the banking solution offered by GPP anyhow. Only 10 percent of our members would like to receive the payouts on personal accounts.

    Before we go further into this, let me tell you a bit more about our banking solution:

    ………….

    1. You will get State-of-the-Art online banking facilities with internal, domestic and international wires, account balance and history plus all the normal banking functions.

    2. You will also get a debit card for your account. We even try to get you a credit card, but that’s not an easy thing to do. Card will be mailed, so keep the address information updated!

    3. You can send four international wires per month free of charge.

    4. The number of out-going wires is not limited.

    However, the EUR value has been limited so you can transfer as much as 1.000.000 EUR (one million EUR) per month. This should be sufficient for most of us!

    5. The origin of funds will be supported by sufficient documentation, so you shouldn’t face any major challenges when wiring funds into another account.

    ………….

    So now you have some more Infos about our banking solution. We think this is a very good package that we can offer each one of you.

    As we have the responsibility for all 100.000+ members, we can secure the payout only in one way:

    We need to make the Banking Solution mandatory for everyone.

    Of course we know that this again will give us lots of protests and complaints from some members, but we are willing to go through that. We have taken the time here trying to give you a bit more understanding for the overall situation. We tried everything but it is not possible.

    Should this be unacceptable for some members then we are very sorry.

    We definitely think that a payout via banking solution which we can guarantee to all our members is much, much better than to risk the payout for everyone only because we wanted to serve some members with personal accounts.

    Here again we have to prove that we are a team.

    We are sure once we all have been paid out everybody will be happy. And that is what counts in the end!

    Now of course this Banking Solution now being mandatory to all creates some more questions which we hereby also want to take up:

    – No you do NOT have to correct your agreement if you have already written your personal bank account data.

    You can either leave it as it is or you can cross it out.

    – Every adult will have his own Banking Solution account.

    – Parents or legal guardians can include the payments for their children below legal age onto their accounts. Therefore it is only necessary to make a little note onto the agreement form of the child,
    stating: “Payment onto account of FULL NAME / USERNAME.

    This is the ONLY exception. Every other person will have his or her own account.

    Our current schedule depends on the banking license at the moment. We haven’t been given a date when it will be granted, so I’m unable to promise the payout to happen any specific time. Even though we are dealing with a cooperative office in an extremely friendly jurisdiction, there still is a lot of bureaucracy involved in this operation.

    The site will stay open for logging in your member area, purchasing Additional Policies and signing up new members.

    Should there be further questions coming up we will issue them plus the answers in the forum.

    Of course we will also update you on any news we receive! So always stay tuned.

    In the meantime we will handle all your requests re.

    failed sign ups, lost passwords, etc. Please do not worry. They will ALL get handled as long as you have sent the appropriate data.

    Once more: The E-Mail Address for all your requests

    is:

    global.member.support@googlemail.com

    Please ONLY write in English and procure all data without telling long stories. Only re-send your requests if you haven’t heard anything for over a month.

    Apart from that I would like to ask all members to please keep the e-mail traffic as low as possible.

    Thank you for reading this Announcement. Keep yourself updated in the forum.

    And please stay confident and positive. Actually there is no rational reason to feel otherwise.

    In the end when we all have been paid I am sure we all say that the waiting had paid off!

    Regards,
    Stella & the Team

    PLEASE NOTE: This update is for GPP members only. Those, who fail to follow our rules and publish this for the general public, will be immediately inactivated from GPP without a change to be reactivated again. If you have a big downline and a mailing list, you can tell your people to visit our forum for the latest update. But that’s all! Do not reproduce the update, do not publish it for the general public! Thank you! “

    Comment by JH — 3rd March 2008 @ 9:56 am

  313. Well, JH, you are probably not a member so you got this info from a member, certainly not from me. But I think humans usually have a healty brain and Stellas letter is quite positive unless somebody cannot or wilfully wil mis-interpret it! Unfortunately on this blog there are some very sick people, so we’ll see what will happend. In any case it seems that this blog has recently gone out of fashion!

    Comment by extan — 3rd March 2008 @ 10:09 am

  314. Extan

    Ja nee ek sit op die noord kus en die web page vat omtrent “800 years to open”. Ons het nie adsl nie.
    “Incidently” there is quit a lot of info about GPP on another webpage

    http://heatherwolfnetwork.blogspot.com/2008/03/confusion-about-global-pension.html

    Still not sure where all this is leading.
    I am not a member but One of my family members entered us all into this plan, with the hope of trying to help everyone financially.
    I hope for their sake it all works out!!

    A euro holiday might definetly be needed here.

    Comment by AB — 3rd March 2008 @ 10:12 am

  315. i found another website that promos gpp and says payout march 08, sounds possible,

    so AB wat se jy van die debakel in Vrystaat Uni, funny video made out to be rassi en wereldwyd opgeblaas word, wat van al die wit plaasboere wat vermoor word, dit word nie gewys nie. Ons weet wie is die meeste rassi, nie ons!

    Comment by extan — 3rd March 2008 @ 10:57 am

  316. Extan

    Daar word nooit gekla oor die wit boere wat vermoor is nie, as jy op die tv Kyk is dit altyd die kraaie wat its wil he, of kla oor die wit mense, of toi toi oor iets, na meer as tien jaar blameer hulle nogsteeds vir ap–d
    Ek stem nie saam oor die pee in die kos nie, ek dink dis siek, mense verwag dit van die houts, nie die wittes nie, maak nie saak wie jy is.
    Ek dink ook hulle was dom om hulle self op video te laat opneem as hulle sulke k-k wil aanvang.!! sal seker moet oor skakel engels toe

    What is the address of the other site that has info on GPP

    Comment by AB — 3rd March 2008 @ 11:45 am

  317. http://www.roywgrogan.com/

    = pro pro info on GPP with full American colours 🙂

    AB:
    By the way they simply used water (H2O) in a squirt bottel, surely no pi! But they should know it’s stupid to do things like that over a potential explosive fire! But it’s only turned around by the media for maximum effect, sick world!!! Other than that it is already genocide over here, slowly killing off the minority, etc. and anarchy on the road i.e. everyone for himself!

    Enjoy your time till the money arrives, then investing problems because the shares are on the ground, how about saving it under the pillow 🙂 ?

    Comment by extan — 3rd March 2008 @ 12:23 pm

  318. “But I think humans usually have a healty brain and Stellas letter is quite positive unless somebody cannot or wilfully wil mis-interpret it!”

    It’s as believable (and well-composed) as any of the rest for this scam. ; )

    Comment by JH — 3rd March 2008 @ 5:15 pm

  319. And I was talking about some very sick people! 🙁 If the shoe fits , wear it!

    Comment by extan — 3rd March 2008 @ 6:30 pm

  320. Of course the letter is positive, I can write a fairy tale too if I want you to “send in new members”!
    Heather Wolf doesn’t like GPP because she wants to start her OWN pension plan (Good grief, aren’t there enough of these scams, already?)
    I hate to point this out, but, if the bottom has fallen out of the TEP market, who, in their right mind, will back them? They are losing horses! And, I remind, that TEP’s use REAL PROPERTY as collateral, not flesh,(which very often doesn’t stay the course). So, if there is no secondary buyer for these instruments, buyer number one would not be inclined to purchase (a REAL TEP , not GPP’s)
    If they can’t trade the real ones without losing money, what are you thinking?
    TEP’s simply do not trade for the amounts given in the REAL world, so,…why would you expect the truth in fairyland?
    And, EXTAN, why would you worry about how expensive this site is to read, if you have so much money coming? Ask your buddy Rafikov for a loan to hold you over!

    Comment by zippy — 3rd March 2008 @ 6:44 pm

  321. BTW, the “Grogan” site is really a great one. Not only does he misuse Aussie slang, but the IP is in Quebec (as I suspected) and the clipart is only paid till next week.
    Does he think he’s fooling somebody?

    And EXTAN, no one is being racist in here, so, stop trying to say that. I would have noticed, trust me.

    Comment by zippy — 3rd March 2008 @ 7:21 pm

  322. ZIPPY IF YOU ARE A FEM THAN I UNDERSTAND, sorry you put words in my mouth that I didn’t say (as before) you should read correctly. By the way it is well known all over the world which people are the most rassi!!Must be difficult to understand Afrikaans. Sprechen Sie Deutsch dann droppen Sie um :-).

    Take Care!

    Comment by eXtAn — 3rd March 2008 @ 9:25 pm

  323. Hi…

    Im not a member of gpp but my friend does and she was expecting it much all i care is when will it be paid out….im telling my friend that its not real but she has big hopes about it so if u can read this stella hope u make it happen…

    asian girl

    Comment by ayesha silva — 4th March 2008 @ 12:15 am

  324. Quite an interesting read here. Actually it is always fascinating to see all the gyrations one will go through trying to defend a scam. I hear that Disney is looking for a few good fantasy writers for their next project. I have to admit that it would be a close call between you and Stella for the position, but if I were you I would apply anyway. As far as your math skills go, you always get 100% with the new math. It is not about solving problems correctly, but how you felt about yourself in the process. In short it is misdirected energy based in fantasy. No matter how hard you try, 3 x 6 still equals 18, not 19 as you have tried to demonstrate. Hoping it so doesn’t change the fact, nor that you felt good about yourself in the process.

    Now I know this is late, and I’m sure you will not take it, but here’s a piece of advice. “It is one thing to be thought a fool, but quite another to open your mouth and remove all doubt.” In short, quit before you make an even bigger fool of yourself. You are like a screen door being used for a hatch in a submarine. You wonder why you got wet and sank.

    Comment by EagleOne — 4th March 2008 @ 12:54 am

  325. My Friends…
    This is just outrageous. Extan, I will thank you for a better story than the last one… or Stella did… whatever!

    Stella and Co, must really really think that us members are just plain Stupid! There are so may holes in this story that it can’t even be likend to swiss cheese.

    Members, if you will please take note on just a few of these statements…

    1) This statement stating if we do not get paid then they do not get paid. Right! Guess if neither of us gets paid well those dollars will just have to be returned huh? Oh, yea that’s right… you are going to claim that for yourself huh?

    You know you all should have learned by now that this nonsense about another bank…Now an internet bank for doodness sake, is trying to hold you down! THAT IS CRAZY! I for one cannot accept that statement. The Bogey man lurks still…

    Stated was something that we need to do.. Play as a team! Yea, let’s win this game. Let’s see now…. A team plays together, shares information together. GPP looks like a one sided show. What do we have to do for participation in this game?

    If this business is totally legit, then prove it! I HAVE SEEN NOTHING SHOWING ANY REAL PAPERWORK….NONE! No letterhead, no paper noly words, elusive website etc…

    “Before we go further into this, let me tell you a bit more about our banking solution:”…… Every one of those answers are full of it!
    Dig # 4. Why would a bank have 1 miliion dollar limitations? STRIKE 1! What bank would this debit card go through? Little jimmy’s bank of wally world? If this crappy bank cannot transfer monies properly how would it handle thousands of debit cards transferring millions? STRIKE 2

    You all know… I’m almost tired of this…

    Extan, ah choo… Guess I’m one of those sick people huh?

    Oh Extan… what’s the deal w/ you worring about someone using up bandwidth? Does not make sense to me. Just because you are paying for bandwidth in your internet cafe’ doesn’t mean that anyone over here has to worry about it….

    JH, thanks for the info… This GPP is…

    My friends, please pay attention to what we jsut saw in that posting from JH. Note how disturbed extan was when this info was presented.

    By the way MARCH 4th is Tomorrow! It also looks like there was no payment!!! Did I see something about March 9th? Humph…Looks like the once a month action is no longer working…. How about taking this week by week now…

    I need to find somewhere to inform others who may be uninformed. I’d like to tell them of what’s happening. They could then donate to Stella’s charity if they were so inclinded also.

    Oh one last thing… Why didn’t Stella thank her donators for all of that fabulous Money! That was not very nice,now was it? Surely if she telling us all of this bull, she surely could have mentioned the status of that charity.

    Until tomorrow!

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 4th March 2008 @ 4:08 am

  326. “Always keep in mind – if you are not paid out we also do not get anything.” -Stella.

    This one just cracked me up. I thought every member had to pay like 35€ to join. So, they made 3,5 million €. I would call that something.
    Anyhow, Stellas letter to members was same kind of ranting that you hear in all the multilevel marketing-scams. Maybe GPP isn’t mlm exactly, but all the words used in promoting it are known for mlm:
    -Be positive
    -everybody else is jealous
    -Money for nominal fee
    -Make your dreams come true,blaah,blaah…
    -Team spirit,yeah…
    -once in lifetime opportunity,etc.

    This site that extan suggested was a perfect example how to promote mlm-scams, or anykind of scam. If you take that as objective info about GPP, then you deserve to lose your money to these scammers.
    To Extan(and to your many alter egos), maybe its time to leave your happy pills, and take a little bit of a realistic view. When you say that people should stay positive, What are you gonna say when this scam is exposed and peoples dreams are shattered? Probably nothing, because you don’t actually care, you’ll just continue to believe. You’ll be probably waiting for the “banking solution” until the end of time…

    Comment by Rokka — 4th March 2008 @ 7:53 am

  327. Hi Mike, for a change I’ve read through your letter, nothing else to read 🙂 . Anyway extan was not disturbed by anything, Stella had hoped that any GPP stuff should IDEALLY be for members only, makes sense, because you would not be interested to know about the bridalshop around the corner… ok maybe if they make a lot of money and you did not get any… greed stuff and oh yes those beautiful girls?

    So such humans would only cause trouble, nothing positive as we can see on this blog.

    I find it also interesting how todays internet people are mostly incognito, they live in a box somewhere, not coming to life ever, being REAL humans for a change. Thought I have been quite open about things, living at the southern tip of Africa and having lost nothing! Just need to be careful about Dina, the little guerrilla, who knows what she decides to do even if you are a peace loving guy?

    Take care!

    Comment by extan — 4th March 2008 @ 8:14 am

  328. Oh Mike, I just thought that an intelligent blog would not need to read in the whole story every time including when you just contributed a few lines, because 99,5% of readers probably only read the last “unread” letters, makes sense, doesn’t it?

    So the GPP money will surely come (End of March/April) and then I’ll buy a lazy chair and sip some sundowner in St. Tropez…. see you there crying 🙂

    Comment by extan — 4th March 2008 @ 2:38 pm

  329. Well extan,
    I feel privelidged that you would take that time! In any case, what would be your response to post 325?

    Let’s do away with the jealousy aspect. If I were not to make a cent on this scam, I would be so very happy for all of the members here! Mybe thay could visit you at your local internet cafe’, drink a few of your local beverages, and just have a good ole’ time… Oh yea, and enjoy some girls in the mean time. Maybe you can tell us where you are ion that southern tip of Africa. Got an address other than a P.O. Box or Fed Ex station?

    When the dollars roll, we’ll all be there.

    Let me make a last statement. That last paragraph describes you so well that I don’t know why you even said it! Incognito! You all or Stella and co, do not have NOT 1 actual address for anything! Don’t say anything about incognito.

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 4th March 2008 @ 2:39 pm

  330. extan,
    I sounded to negative here. Sorry, enjoy your drink…

    Comment by mikecheck — 4th March 2008 @ 3:13 pm

  331. Extan,

    I’ll agree with you in respect to the last few emails are the ones that are usually read. So… I’ll just reference those of consequence.

    Might I ask you, as you are so confident of this payout, would you be concerned if GPP was to runaway with these considerable funds? This being used for “administrative costs or something of that nature”. If not might I also ask, What was this money supposed to be used for anyway!? I thought that it was being used to buy the policies!

    Rokka, post 325… I’d say that this was an excellent observation…

    Everyone please also re review post 323. Excellent point.

    Again I must say to JH, thank you for getting that information in your post 311!!! Members, please enjoy this information… Oh yes, this is a secret, so keep it to yourselves! You might even be tempted not to read it. I would however, again! Oh and once again, dig that .google email address AGAIN! How professional does that sound?!?!?

    LASTLY (again)…

    Today’s March 4th!!!! Tell me who gets the first payout!!! It’s now past August, then November, then december then January, then Feb 28th, and did I just hear March 9th. Pehaps I’m repeating myself from a revious post, but I AM NOT WRONG about the fact that this payout has not been had by ANYONE!

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 4th March 2008 @ 5:56 pm

  332. Hi Mike and all!

    I don’t base my thoughts on critical calculations but rather on how humans (and GPP) react to changing conditions. Consequently it does not make sense for GPP to run away, I think they know that they and the world will do much better to see this project through as good as they can.

    I’m pretty sure all present signs are in the right direction and we just need to be a bit patient and not mess up things. Unfortunately there are always forces that feed the greed and GPP needs strong determination to succeed!

    Comment by extan — 4th March 2008 @ 7:10 pm

  333. If I understood the explanation given by GPP when this all started, your fee was an admin fee only. This fee was to pay for your “banking solution” not any policy. First, this fee could not come close to paying the first premium cost of the policy. One of the issues with your just being able to pay an admin fee, but not have to pay any premium for the policy is false. If you are having a policy issued in your name, or anyone’s name, the person in whose name the policy is issued “MUST” pay the initial premium. A third party cannot pay this first month’s premium. The policy has been issued in “YOUR NAME.” You can transfer the policy once it is “yours,” meaning it has been issued in your name, but not before. Another issues is GPP keeps interchanging Pension and Endowment in their explanataion. An endowment can be issued in a child’s name, but a pension policy cannot. There are major differences between a pension policy and an endowment policy. They are not interchangeable as GPP has presented their program. I think this is what has caused most of the confusion to the members. If they have put together a new policy that combines both elements, then they would have to register this product with every insurance regulatory agency in every country. This they have not done. In fact, they are not licensed or registered in any country to sell any kind of product.

    Now the list as to why this is a scam is about a mile long by now. All the “positives” trying to make it not so will not change the fact this is a scam. What is even more interesting is in the promotion piece, if you want to call it that, states the policies will be sold by the membership “discretely” promoting it to their friends and family. Now, please tell me this has been “discretely” promoted by the membership. Makes me wonder what GPP thinks “discretely” really means. Actually it was just fluff making people feel comfortable with selling their friends and family on joining.

    As to Stella’s last update. So many holes even swiss cheese could not hold a candle. In regard to Stella’s statement, and I quote: “However the established international Banking World has already reacted to these future upcoming payouts.” how does the International Banking World know about the future payouts, and the membership doesn’t? On another note, please tell me how anyone can cause any problems with a legal company, no matter how hard they may try? The claim is GPP is not legitimate. If they are, end of story with any regulatory agency or law enforcement agency taking any action to shut them down. If they are not, well a totally different story. Me thinks GPP doth protest too much.

    As for this paying out in anyone’s lifetime it is nil, nada, zero, zilch and ain’t going to happen. You may be sitting in a bar having a drink extan, but you will be paying for it, not GPP. That is unless you have been paid to “promote” this scam. Then you could be buying drinks with GPP money, but that’s the only way.

    Just an added thought for the membership. Were you aware by encouraging others to sign up under you in GPP you could be charged with selling unregistered securities? How many do you have in your downline extan?

    Comment by EagleOne — 4th March 2008 @ 7:20 pm

  334. OK, you may notice that I have changed the blog a little. A maximum of just 25 comments will be shown on the blog at any one time unless you choose to “Show All”.

    Hopefully this will make it easier for those on dial-up connections or limited bandwidth.

    Let me know if you prefer it this way or not.

    Thanks, Ben

    Comment by Ben — 4th March 2008 @ 9:38 pm

  335. Is it me or have the posts gone into a reverse chronology?

    Comment by zippy — 4th March 2008 @ 11:07 pm

  336. Ben,

    Is it possible to have the page set up as you did originally?

    Thanks,

    MikeCheck

    [Edit by Ben: Just click on “Show All” and it will show all comments and sort them as they were – oldest first]

    Comment by MikeCheck — 5th March 2008 @ 12:12 am

  337. Thanks Ben this is much better, I am on a dialup. the page is a lot faster now !! Great !!

    Comment by AB — 5th March 2008 @ 6:43 am

  338. EagleOne:

    Seems you are outdoing MC? 🙂 Anyway I do not unserstand what you mean, I freak out with negative, humans, I did not promote GPP, just using my “talent” to see things in proper perspective (hope), thats all, GPP will pay out! I’m sure you will not like it when they do!!! I have no downline, got sponsored by somebody else, just 55K! But my girlfriend…. hmmmm

    Comment by extan — 5th March 2008 @ 9:08 am

  339. Thanks Ben!

    Comment by extan — 5th March 2008 @ 9:09 am

  340. extan: Let me explain to you, since you seem to feign ingorance as to what “promote” means: To further the progress or growth of: advance; To advocate the adoption or use of; to try to sell or popularize by publicity. As to your “talent,” as you call it, you mistake talent for ignorance. It doesn’t take any “talent” to promote a scam. Someone with “talent” would have known immediately this was a scam. But nice try. As for me being disappointed, you have got to be kidding; but you on the other hand are in for a big disappointment. That is if you truly believe GPP is real. Personally I just think you “pretend” to believe it is real.

    You are also wrong on your statement that I seem to be trying to out do someone. But you keep living in fantasy land, believing in the tooth fairy, and that the Easter Bunny is coming soon. As for whether or not you don’t have anyone in your downline, I really don’t care. But I find it strange for someone who doesn’t have that much vested in GPP, as you now claim, you sure try to defend it. But I love your trying to defend the indefensible. Now that is funny.

    Now if you like, I can post all your “quotes” about GPP just from this thread if that will help refresh your memory. You know the ones where you were encouraging all to join, telling how great GPP is, don’t believe all the negativity people are saying about GPP; in short “promoting.” I’ll be glad to if it will help you with your memory loss. Always want to help others in need.

    Comment by EagleOne — 5th March 2008 @ 11:05 am

  341. EagleOne, sure you are a habitual trouble maker like I have never seen before, you really need help desperately, I know enough about psychology to see what is your trouble, please go for urgent help!

    Nothing more to say, you do not need to remind me about anything! Just F go!

    Comment by extan — 5th March 2008 @ 11:29 am

  342. “I don’t base my thoughts on critical calculations but rather on how humans (and GPP) react to changing conditions. Consequently it does not make sense for GPP to run away, I think they know that they and the world will do much better to see this project through as good as they can.”
    – Extan

    Can’t argue you with there, you surely don’t base your thoughts on critical calculations, otherwise you’d see this scam for what it is. I think con-artists behind GPP will do much better when they see this project go through and run away with few million € still left in their pockets. For the world, I wouldn’t say the same. At least 100000 people won’t be any better after this charade is through. But it’s only 35€, so in the end, it not so much only and some people just have learn their lesson. And “Stella” and friends are off to another scam.
    Mark my words, sometime soon there’s going to be a request from GPP to members, to send some additional money for “transfer fees” and “banking solution”. Maybe something little, like 20€.
    And there’s going to be morons who pay that and blindly continue to believe in GPP.
    In my opinion, GPP is just one kind of “nigerian letter scam”: pay something, in exchange for later reward ( which are often huge, comparing to money invested).
    Of course, GPPs story was little more believable, comparing to stories behind ordinary nigerian scams. I am willing to apologise to GPP and everybody that I might have hurt with my writings, if GPP is proven legit and pays out. So, can any of you GPP promoters offer any names,contact infos etc. about trust partners, pension insurance providers, banks involded in transactions, and so on?
    How about it, Extan?
    And just to inform everybody, I am one envious,pessimistic,,cynical,sick individual with no hope in my heart( I am just saying this to save you the trouble of calling me that, so you can actually answer to my question)

    Comment by Rokka — 5th March 2008 @ 11:56 am

  343. Hi Rokka, really I do not have any direct info about GPP, but nobody wants to understand the simple fact that human behaviour has been well studied, I think that one week in Feb. when GPP was off they must have been so pissed off with that project because of all the greedy/bullying banks etc. etc., but then it dawned on them that too much pressure would result if they actually run away… and now they are back. There are enough positive sign that appear to confirm this… even though they act utterly un-professional!

    If any of you have ever done commodity trading you will have time and again met all those jerks that try and do pull the rug from under your feet, big banks are the biggest bastards as far as doing that, usually inside jobs.

    Kind Regards!

    Comment by extan — 5th March 2008 @ 12:28 pm

  344. OK….Defending financial transations with jealousy? That is one of the most rediculous things that I’ve ever heard!

    Please, enough with this supposed bullying around. If GPP were so much of a “secret” in the first place, how would they even know to “have your rug pulled from under you”!

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 5th March 2008 @ 12:58 pm

  345. Extan,..how can you claim your poor trades on the banks? Honestly. I’ve been trading for 20 years, and That’s noob talk.
    Stella claimed to have the banks and trust partners, all 5 of them, in her corner from the beginning. It should have been a done-deal. So, where are they?
    The banks aren’t pulling the rug out. The plan is illegal and has already consisted of obvious money-laundering ploys.
    Don’t blame it on the banks if the robbers can’t get into the vault!

    Comment by zippy — 5th March 2008 @ 3:59 pm

  346. Zippy and Mike, sorry I seem to use a different language because I do not understand what you appear to say. Com.-trading (not me) is trading diamonds, oil, cement, etc, so if you do not have a direct link to a supplier, you may lose your commission, whatever and simply be cut off, the other guy may be hiding somewhere so going to court may also not be a “cheap” option or he may actually be the brother of the prime minister or a big company! Since banks are also a link, often handling the contract and money, some particular banks are well known for their practice to simply taking over, after you have organised the dealit, it may be an inside job. So keep on trusting your bank, why do you think are they so powerful??? Sure you will counter me again!!

    Comment by extan — 5th March 2008 @ 4:46 pm

  347. Given that these banks are such cut-throat profiteers, they’d certainly recognize that GPP’s entire scheme relies on buying a policy at 41K and then immediately, with no increase in value, turning around and selling it to them for 120K. But then I suppose that they’re just being nice guys in this case huh? ; )

    Comment by JH — 5th March 2008 @ 5:14 pm

  348. JH,

    An excellent straight to the point example. Why would any bank do such a thing?

    How much sense does this make. Tell you what, you send me $100.00 today, and I’ll send you $10,000 next week.

    There may be a temporary delay however… A delay like let’s say… Next month, then wait, the month after that, then wait, two weeks later, then wait, next week, no, tomorrow!!

    Extan, do you understand what we are seeing, feeling?

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 5th March 2008 @ 7:21 pm

  349. In regard to this post of yours extan, and I quote: “EagleOne, sure you are a habitual trouble maker like I have never seen before, you really need help desperately, I know enough about psychology to see what is your trouble, please go for urgent help!

    Nothing more to say, you do not need to remind me about anything! Just F go!” surely you jest. You know psychology, and I am the one who needs urgent help? Do you do stand-up comedy in your spare time too?

    Guess I hit a nerve with you. I love how you keep misdirecting any difficult questions to something else that has no relevance to the question; but saves you from answering. Well, at least you think it does. You say and reveal far more by not answering than you would if you did. How’s that for psychology? Bummer isn’t it.

    As I said before, it is so much fun reading your posts and how you tap dance around every question. Your most ridiculous statement was I am a habitual trouble maker like you have never seen. Guess you don’t get out much. Took me about 10 minutes to stop laughing on that one. As for my going away, you wish. You had better fasten your seatbelt because for you this could be a bumpy ride.

    Comment by EagleOne — 5th March 2008 @ 8:15 pm

  350. “Why would any bank do such a thing?”

    Answer – they wouldn’t. And that’s the fatal flaw in ALL of these RPP deals.

    Especially so in GPP’s case to the tune of doing it X 350,000 policies at a total of 42,000,000,000 Euro. Yes, that’s 42 BBBBILLION! or about $65 BILLION USD. That’s simply an absurd amount of money to begin with but even more so when you recognize that it would need to be free cash paid all at once. That alone should tell you that this deal is complete fantasy.

    Comment by JH — 5th March 2008 @ 8:33 pm

  351. extan, I am being serious here and would appreciate your honest answers to my questions. How did you go from being negative about GPP on 2/12 to a “believer” in GPP on 2/25? I know you referenced Stella’s post as being an eye opener for you, but what was the eye opener in her post for you that made you change your mind?

    Comment by EagleOne — 5th March 2008 @ 9:31 pm

  352. I just got an email from my upline with some dates.

    GOOD NEWS:

    GLOBAL HAS SECURED THE BANK SOLUTION AND THE SITE WILL CLOSE THE END OF MARCH.
    APRIL 1, WE WILL RECEIVE INFORMATION ON WHERE TO SEND OUR DOCUMENTS
    THE MEMBERSHIP HAS ONE MONTH TO COMPLETE THIS AND IN MAY ALL DOCUMENTS WILL BE IN THE HANDS OF THE INSURANCE COMPANY.

    PAYOUT IS EXPECTD TO BE LATE MAY/ BEGINNING OF JUNE

    Anyone else hear this info??

    Comment by Magoo — 6th March 2008 @ 12:56 am

  353. Eagle,

    That is a good observation. Yes, extan what was the deal there? We are not being confrontational. I’m truly curious too.

    Everyone, let’s all look at this approximation of 35 Billion dollars. Let’s think about this for a minute. 1 Billion dollars is 1 thousand Million! So we have here 42 thousand Million dollars. Do you really think that one person is handling that much money! Let’s think about the Richest people in the world. They may have this approximate worth, but they are not employing 1 person to handle finances! There are surely thousands of people handling such. —

    On another note, again why would poor little Stella need aditional monies for her charity? If she is handling all or these dollars, or even the “Front man” so to speak, surely she is totally paid. What was this additonal money needed for?

    Can anyone suggest to me a possible reason for a billion dollar company to engage their name, to benefit this front man?

    Returning to the original question;
    Why negative then Positive?
    What sense does the asking for additional contracts…. 40 dollar contracts make to such a large company…

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 6th March 2008 @ 1:35 am

  354. “What sense does the asking for additional contracts…. 40 dollar contracts make to such a large company…”

    Psssttt… Hey Mike… I’m going to reveal “The Secret” but you must promise NOT reveal it to anyone outside of this blog…

    It’s Warren Buffet behind it. He’s blowing his whole wad on this deal in one shot but, even as the world’s richest man by the Forbes list released today, he’s only good for about $62 billion. He needs the ~$40 each to make up the difference. He’s too proud to let it be know that he’s a little short. That’s the reason for all of the secrecy.

    PLEASE NOTE: This information is for blog members only. Those, who fail to follow our rules and publish this for the general public, will be immediately inactivated from the blog without a change to be reactivated again. If you have a big downline and a mailing list, you can tell your people to visit the blog for the latest update. But that’s all! Do not reproduce the information, do not publish it for the general public! Thank you!

    Comment by JH — 6th March 2008 @ 2:41 am

  355. JH,

    Thanks for the info! I’ll be sure to keep it quiet!!! I especially would not like for the jealous bankers to get a hlod of this info! They may shut us down! Hey this secret is safe with me! Tell you what, tell me which country to electronicaly send those $40 to. Our dollars should fly then!

    Extan,
    to your post 345, I have one word for you… WHAT? Are you actually making a statement or are you talking around in circles so much that you don’t even understand this yourself? If this is sounding negative, although extreemly dificult, I don’t want it to…

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 6th March 2008 @ 4:02 am

  356. Question to Ben:

    Hi Ben, I’m bored with this comments page and have a question about one of your other Internet Schemes on your Blog. What is your E Mail address so I can ask you some questions. Thanks Sammy.

    [Edit by Ben: Hi Sammy, just send me an email to the address listed here: http://www.bizoppsuk.com/feedback.php. Thanks, Ben]

    Comment by SM — 6th March 2008 @ 6:33 am

  357. JH: What incredible news. With people knowing this, why those additional 250,000 policies will all be sold in no time. Not only that, but just think of how much quicker they will resolve the banking solution issue. This will shave months off that process.
    The possibilities are endless here with this news. Thanks for revealing it.

    Comment by EagleOne — 6th March 2008 @ 7:45 am

  358. Hello,Extan and greetings from snowy Finland . I do agree about that human behaviour is well studied nowadays. Of course, it really doesn’t have anything to do with topic at hand. Since you emphasize your knowledge about human psychology, try checking out Kubler-Ross model and does it apply to you? I think your in the first stage: Denial. I’m betting we’re going to see your next stage soon, which is anger. That happens when “stella” and others behind this scam pull the plug. Please enlighten me, what are the positive signs you’re talking about? Only signs that there are, are coming from Stella. So, you basically trust everything she says, has it occured to you that she might not be telling the truth? I understand your need to see positive things in other people, I think it’s a good thing. But I’ve worked in war zones and I have seen what humans can do to each other, and this scam is nothing in comparison. I think Ms. “Stella Pohjola” and others don’t give a S**t about dissapointing these people, as long as they get their money. After all, nobody knows who they are(names,nationality etc.), where they live, basically nobody knows nothing about them. They just count on the fact that people won’t start pursuing them or contact authorities over lost money, because the amount is so small. So scammers do know something about psychology as well…

    Comment by Rokka — 6th March 2008 @ 7:46 am

  359. Hi Sammy, I totally agree with you about this blog, because it really really suckssss, I can only quote Albert Einstein who said the stupidity of humans is infinite e = mc(sq) ! Talking in circuits, hi hi… I was just trying to answer Zippys question, she obviously did not know about commodity trading, selling gold and blood diamonds, E2 oil etc. And I’m not talking about illegal trading!
    Your reactions just show that you do not seem have any streetwise knowledge, just your habitual negativity and utter crap! By the way about my so called change from negative to positive, I had explained it in one of my letters, but I think an average intelligent person could pick it up anyway. Happy reading EagleOne, rock on baby 🙂

    Comment by extan — 6th March 2008 @ 8:01 am

  360. Actually, Extan, E=mc(sq) was : all energy in the universe is constant, not infinite.
    I know about commodity trading , dear, I find the concept of trading gold and blood diamonds (which is basically ALL diamonds except industrail dust) offensive, since they both denote the oppression of some people and the ravaging of land by big business. I also wear no gold or diamonds, nor do I buy as gifts because I am offended by them. They are the symbols of ultimate greed, where men will kill/oppress/steal from others to take ownership. And what are they? Rocks.
    You’re correct, Extan, it’s not illegal trading,…it’s UNETHICAL trading. I don’t condemn the rest of the world for doing it,..most of them are not aware of the means by which those “commodities’ are wrested from the people.
    I definitely don’t need to defend my ‘streetwise’ knowledge, since I can see myself, and you cannot. You sound like a bragging kid, though. You need to watch your back, because it’s cockiness like yours that gets people into trouble. Someone is not going to like your attitude and, unfortunately, you apparently are not aware that “a little learning is a dangerous thing”, meaning,-you talk about knowing human psychology, yet, I doubt you’ve had more that a freshman required course. This happens with people who take one course in psych- they think they can analyse the planet.
    I am not habitually negative, by any means, as a matter of fact, I would be bery pleased to see this pay off, it would make many people happy.
    HOWEVER, it will not because it is quite simply mathematically and financially impossible.
    And, until “Stella” starts to pay out from the first 100,000, it is UNETHICAL and GREEDY to ask others to become members so that you can add to your “until-they-arrive” imagined referral bonuses.
    Now. forget about making smart comments to confuse the rest,…do you , directly or indirectly, work for Boulat Rafikov or World Park? Yes or no?

    Comment by zippy — 6th March 2008 @ 8:51 am

  361. Hi Zippy, I liked your letter, now I know you are a women, I’m quite aware that I’m not part of this blog, this is mainly for scam lovers and they react visiously against any positive statement, they even told me it was sad that I changed from my initial stance. Actually if GPP will not pay then I’ll join to go into full gear, then it’s all about working towards a common goal and Dina will be my favourite :-)! No link to WP or BR, no clue who/what that is, I work for a Technical University, Electronics/Mechanics/Psychology/Medical. 🙁

    Tomorrow I’ll be on the operating table, watching my back… actually last time they forgot to take a biopsy of a lymph node in my chest so here we come again, wasting money, no cancer suspected! ICU op may follow later, then ok again.

    Kind Regards

    Comment by extan — 6th March 2008 @ 9:19 am

  362. Thank you for answering that, Extan. Although if you are from namibia I am surprised you say you do not know what World Park is, and yet you’re in GPP.
    And no, I do not LOVE SCAMS. I hate to see people hurt. There are many people who scraped their money together to send in to this thing, hoping and praying for a better life. Some borrowed to buy multiple policies. I truly would like this to pay out just so that some people who are in need, could no longer be in the position, but it really isn’t possible, and it certainly irresponsible for Stella to even ALLOW purchase of policies when she/he has not paid out the first 100,000, or even the first 10!
    I also really dislike lack of transparency and refusing to explain a method, this screams scam, and if it is not a scam, then it is disrespectful for Stella to assume the members are too stupid to understand. This lack of a last name or proper contact info is not acceptable.
    Good luck on your surgery. You have no socialized medicine there? I’m sure that is frightening for you, ..not the surgery,..I mean, getting the bill!
    Seriously, all the best on your op,…we need you to be well so you can carry on arguing!

    Comment by zippy — 6th March 2008 @ 1:03 pm

  363. Hi Zippy,

    Neverland says there are now 130 000 members, good for the downlines if they pay. Have not been to Namibia since 1986, I know Etosha Pan etc, not WP? My gf bought me a membership, well if she gets her G money, something to write home about and to help needy people!! She says March is our month and I know she is right! Don’t worry too much about the un-pro stuff, they can’t even write proper English, but may still be good business people.

    I have a hospital plan and there is no limit to what the doctors, etc. can gobble up. It is just having to get to sleep again and the scope down your chest gives a sore throat, they could have done it last time.

    Take Care!

    Comment by extan — 6th March 2008 @ 1:35 pm

  364. “Neverland says there are now 130 000 members…”

    So why then are they still taking new members?

    Even if you buy their story and numbers, if the expectation is that they need more than a 30% buffer to account for people who won’t follow through, then that should tell you that’s there’s little hope that they’ll EVER get this done. At that level, the continual “turn-over” of that buffer will mean extended delays (i.e., 30% of whatever buffer will always be in doubt and need to be replenished).

    Also, I thought that they had some +127,000 back in December? Again, if there’s that little net growth over 2 months, and that’s with their peak number of members to refer others, then that tells you there’s a problem in that they’re not building fast enough to continue to maintain the needed buffer (i.e., to maintain the same level, they should have over 15,000 in growth from December not only ~3,000 more).

    But then it’s really not worth putting that much serious analysis into this…

    Comment by JH — 6th March 2008 @ 5:30 pm

  365. Did some clown finally say that we’d have to wait like 2 months or something to that effect? I truly cannot believe that they would have the gaul to insult us members like this… I knew that this was going to happen. In this last statement, I do not mean that I was guessing that this would happen. I truly knew that this would. February 28th has come and gone! So has March 3rd. Day that the banks opened after the Feb 28th date.

    Extan, do you consider this wait to be an acceptable amount of time to wait for the pay out?

    Do you think that it is ok for Stella to be putting us off?

    Comment by MikeCheck — 7th March 2008 @ 2:59 am

  366. stella your a liar…… pay out now…… prove to us ur not……

    Comment by ayesa — 7th March 2008 @ 5:50 am

  367. Hi,

    Really no use to try to calculate, after GPP opened up 100K quite a number of members bought more than one additinal “reverse pension” and that gets reflected in the “growing” total saving, quite amazing how it grows, WOW dreamland, why should it if they plan to run away?

    Well Mike I’m ok to wait some more, as long as they pay out, let it grow in the meantime, not mine only 55K static, TeamThemco wants to have it after April 5, I think that’s when the British tax years ends.

    No food this morning, will be put to sleep only 16h (chest biopsy), will be hungry tonight 🙂

    Comment by extan — 7th March 2008 @ 8:03 am

  368. extan: Wishing you all the best with your procedure, and look forward to your return posting.

    Comment by EagleOne — 7th March 2008 @ 9:55 am

  369. Dear friends,

    I was with EXTAN this evening when he came out of theatre. Still a bit dazed, but he is doing well. He sends his regards to all his friends and will hopefully be back on the blog soon to argue away once more!

    Sometimes we do not realize how fortunate we are when we have good health. We work ourselves to death to get rich, and then we have to use the money to buy back our health!

    Take care and God bless.

    Comment by JL — 7th March 2008 @ 8:34 pm

  370. Extan,

    I hope that your prcedure went well. I know that inasive procedures can be painful. JL your comment is quite true. Health is worth much more than we often consider….

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 7th March 2008 @ 9:12 pm

  371. He sends his regards to all his friends and will hopefully be back on the blog soon to argue away once more!

    JL, thanks for passing on the news. Please let extan know that we are looking forward to having him back safe and well on the blog.

    Cheers,

    Ben

    Comment by Ben — 7th March 2008 @ 10:58 pm

  372. “I was with EXTAN this evening when he came out of theatre. Still a bit dazed, but he is doing well.”

    He always seemed a bit dazed. ; )

    Get well soon Extan.

    Comment by JH — 7th March 2008 @ 11:29 pm

  373. So,…. What do we do now? At this point, we know nothing is to come of this program. I suppose that we can attempt to let others know that this is a waste of their money? Each dy that this does not get shut down, these clowns are making money!

    As we have now seen, in the few days that we have spoken, there have been thousands of new contracts…. Now what will come of these I wonder? ANSWER: Go into these clowns’ pocket.

    Might I provide a poll to see what the consensus is amongst us readers, participants?

    A) Belive that this will pay out soon
    B) Believe that it will pay out at some point
    C) Want to believe, due to money invested
    D) Think that this will not pay
    E) Pretty sure that this will not pay/SCAM

    I’m just curious, I’m sure that we all are and would like to know the general consensus…

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 8th March 2008 @ 3:21 am

  374. Man Stella and the never never gang kill me …my sides are hurting from laughing.

    The gpp forum has nevrland posting to himself… not much going on..

    march is it…we shall get paid?

    Comment by Busting Gut — 8th March 2008 @ 4:49 am

  375. Who is Neverland?

    Comment by MikeCheck — 8th March 2008 @ 6:54 am

  376. Mike: In regard to your question, and I quote: “Who is Neverland?”

    My guess is Michael Jackson.

    Comment by EagleOne — 8th March 2008 @ 8:03 am

  377. Hi Again, so you want us to argue to heat up this blog ;-)? Thanks for the support!!

    It seems many more are reading this blog and do not contribute, at least now we know, but the general trend appears to be utter frustration at GPP’s non-response… not paying out ASAP, etc. How can anyone be positive considering such a scenario… I think one can, as I explained before, just be patient, things will surely happen!

    Just a snippet, hospital staff must had a good time,laughing, they did not give me a full anaesthetic, said just a slight dose of sleep would be ok, no problems to be expected… later they told me I was stroking the sisters softly and wanting to kiss them, one being nearly in my bed, fortunately I said JL was the best one 🙁

    Well I’m still dozing, lovely dream!

    Comment by extan — 8th March 2008 @ 12:05 pm

  378. What’s wrong with you, Extan? You’re not arguing? Did they remove something while you were under? Like…… your attitude?
    I’m just kidding. Glad to see you’re in good spirits. Maybe you should ask the anaesthetist who short-dosed you, if he’ll give you a “doggy bag” for the bit he owes you. LOL

    Comment by zippy — 8th March 2008 @ 10:40 pm

  379. Extan,

    Again, I am glad that everything now is fine.

    On another note however, waiting and being patient is like starting at square 1! How patient should we be? This is a supposed 2 year program? Well it is now about 1/2 year later! I cannot say that I know of ANY program that does not conform to it’s own policy.

    Perhaps you could give us all a hit of what ever this is that the Dr’s are giving you. The rest and dreams is what a lot of members need as they are being stolen away by Stella.

    This wait is unacceptable. As you have been in this program for a while, why do you think that it is ok to continue waiting for this payout? Consider this payout as being your bi-monthy paycheck. Now I don’t know about you, but if my employer would be telling me to wait and be patient for 2 yrs to get my check, I’d think that I’d be seeing the authorities. In effect I simply asking… asking us all… Would we stand for an employer to not pay us, and simply wait until whenever (or when his bank has finally found a way to send the check to us, due to some continually changeing reason)?

    This example, might explain some members frustration. As for those who have been waiting for 2 yrs… This hurts me, and I have nothing to do with their finances… It’s just wrong…

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 9th March 2008 @ 1:01 am

  380. Mike, this GPP stuff is not your salary, I had one investment (EQUITY) that brought in more than my rotten salary and what some members can get out from GPP is more like a complete CHANGE OF LIFE, so we can wait!!!!What’s in another (GUESS)4 to 6 weeks?

    No Zippy,all they removed are just a few cells fom a lymph node and t he lung, quite certain it’s sarcoids stage 1 getting cortisone in any case it should cure it soon,normally young persons get it. The sarc’s unfortunately triggerd excess blood calcium and that ultimately kills your kidneys and you, so if you ever feel funny rather go for a simple checkup!

    Mike,I told the Dr that I get to sleep rather difficult, so he flushed some horrible stuff down my throat and nose, I think we should get that spray, maybe it’s dating stuff to convert to 1001 nights Don Juan’s 🙁 We really need it to get over GPP!

    Comment by extan — 9th March 2008 @ 8:03 am

  381. extan it is good to have you back and see that all went well with your procedure.

    Let me give you a little different take to consider on all the delays by GPP. Instead of GPP, let’s say that you went to your local bank and they told you that if you would “invest” $40, or whatever, with them in a CD they would pay you the sum of $55,000. But they needed to have 100,000 people sign up and pay for 100,000 CD’s, but once they reached this 100,000 they would pay all in 60 days. You think this is a good deal, so you purchase a CD. They then announce they have had 100,000 sign up for the CD. Then they tell you that a few issues have come up with their accounting software, and the payment will be delayed until they can get it fixed. Just prior to the end of the 60 days they announce you can purchase more CD’s, in fact up to another 250,000 will be available for all who purchased initially. This is to compensate for the delays in paying. They then set another date for payment 60 day from this announcement.

    But just before the 60 days rolls around, the bank says gee we hit a snag we hadn’t planned on, but we will continue to let you purchase more CD’s, but we cannot give you a timeline when we will be paying on the 100,000 CD’s. In fact, we will have to go month to month with any news as to when we will be able to resolve the banking issues we have unexpectedly encountered.

    Now just how patient do you think people should be? Do you really believe people should not be upset or just plain mad? Do you think any rational human being would not have reported them to the authorities with all those excuses and delays?

    Comment by EagleOne — 9th March 2008 @ 9:06 am

  382. Extan,
    you state that this GPP stuff is not your salary. You also state that this investment (EQUITY) will provide us with these great gains! Well, something such as a program providing this EQUITY, should be able to give us an update of hte monies being had… Their dollar status… Even anything through the e-mail DIRECTLY to the members. Not something that Stella said to everyone in some website.

    I don’t know about you, but as I’d have invested in such a program, don’t you think that you could get at least an email? It’s been sent. An individual mass email should not be hard to do at all!!! … Ha, unless that is too much of a task to hit a BUTTON…Or is it that those emails have been trashed in the first place…

    I’d invite GPP to send us a one line statement that ways “have a good day”! This would at least prove that the emails are at least recorded! In effect, I do not believe that there is an email data base, and if so, why has there not been ANY comunication!!!

    Yes the GPP program might represent a “Change of life” But as I said earlier, it has taken a long time for this “change of life” Another 4 -6 weeks is still not acceptable…. People have been led around with this 4 – weeks for months and people who have entered the program have been waiting for years to get this payout! A respectful program would have had this all together on the FIRST day of the payout!!

    Is there anyone who dissagrees?

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 9th March 2008 @ 2:30 pm

  383. I have to agree Mike, I was one of those that thought it was a scam,but thought what the hell, worth a try. but now i have given up hope of it paying out, whats worse is how stupid gpp seem to think we are by getting us to buy more when they cannot sort the payments for the original 100,000! And this total lack of communication and proffesionalism. however busy Stella is, it would not take long to post a small message on the forum daily to let us know what is going on. Extan, im glad you are ok, we all want this to work but i dont see it happening.

    Comment by Blade68 — 9th March 2008 @ 9:54 pm

  384. Mike: It is done this way for a purpose, and that purpose is to remain anonymous. By only having communication through an anonymous host for the website, they think they have been able to remain anonymous. If they started blasting E-mails to all, they fear they could be traced and would be exposed. Even using an anonymous E-mail host. Everyone just thinks they are dealing with a known entity, and that entity has been Stella. But you really don’t know who Stella really is, or even if she exists. You don’t even know if she is a she or a man. What is amazing is just how many people will accept doing business with a total anonymous entity, but who is going to make you rich.

    Comment by EagleOne — 9th March 2008 @ 9:54 pm

  385. Blade and Eagle,
    I could not agree with you both more. Yes, GPP really thinks that we are totally stupid. Must think that we have funds to just throw in the wind. Yes, and the 100,000 as we’ve been saying… This has not been paid, so anyone coming in now in efect, are throwing dollare into their pocket. For goodness sake, what are they being told? Money right around the corner?

    Being anonymous… What a great way to accept money and not have to answer for anything! I have to say, they did a job… a good one at escaping identification. Jumping around servers, email addresses and bogus internet banks.

    I’d love to see some type of communication stating that I’m wrong, but it’s not happening.

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 10th March 2008 @ 3:16 am

  386. Yes, it is about time for GPP to respond with a few lines, we need to be reassures, it smells of unprofessionl conduct! Stella must be so busy that she does not notice all the flies humming around her head 🙂 .

    Not much else can be said, Neverland lets a few people write on their website, maybe relieving their frustration. Surely GPP can contact the “bank solution” I guess in Kuala Lumpur and get an estimated time scale and inform us ASAP!

    Mike about my equity investment, it is with a local (very smart) private company started 1974, they have a selection of profitable company (commercial, industrial, financials) shares and did extremely well (better than most) until mid last year (typically 50%+ per year) but as you know the share market is currently in the doldrums, nothing moves!

    I think GPP reads this blog, just watch, I guess they will get our hints!

    Comment by extan — 10th March 2008 @ 9:29 am

  387. Well, if GPP is truly seeking a banking solution in Malaysia, then the latest elections do not bode well for them receiving it anytime soon. Major losses by the ruling party of the last 20 or so years, and you will basically have a new government coalition in order to get anything done. What will happen is truly up in the air right now, as no-one really knows what all this means to government, the economy, and the financial markets. It is going to take some time before this cloud disappears.

    Having said that, I still don’t believe they are looking for any banking solution. This was just a means to raise more money without having to pay anything out. Think about this for just a moment. Let’s assume they really are working on a banking solution. Then why haven’t they provided the contact information for all those documents to be sent. Doesn’t it stand to reason that while they are working on the banking solution they should be having all those documents submitted? This would give them plenty of time to weed out those that didn’t qualify, and be ready when the banking solution does come. Instead you have total silence, but the good news is you can still purchase more policies. ROFLOL!

    Comment by EagleOne — 10th March 2008 @ 7:37 pm

  388. The “email to all members” has been suspended on GPP’s site, I wonder why! Also i cannot contact gpp, the page times out. this is ridiculous. please dont anybody send them more money! they have allready had enough!

    Comment by Blade68 — 10th March 2008 @ 9:04 pm

  389. I finally got an email off to gpp,

    Hi, What is going on? everyone is saying this is a scam. Why no contact? However busy you are you could surely spend 5 minutes a day to post something on the forum. Why are you still selling policies when the first 100000 have not been paid? If the payment is not sorted out then you should not be selling any more policies. straight answers would be appreciated.

    Comment by Blade68 — 10th March 2008 @ 9:10 pm

  390. Does anyone know what happened to moneymakergroup forum on GGP? It kept me busy while waiting for payment – sad girl. This forum may do the trick. It is lonely to be the only one around who believes that they will pay.

    Comment by Mrs Jones — 10th March 2008 @ 10:18 pm

  391. Blade,

    I must say that this is a truly sad situation. Now how can a Billion dollar company have a suspended email? Wendy’s burgers are not a billion dollar business, but I’ll bet that you’d never catch their server down! Now how many times has it happened here? Again, the email… Ha! That is simply rediculous! Members, I’d be willing to bet that they have no idea of what most of our emails are. If so… Well let’s put it this way… Has there been ANY corespondance from them to your email? I’m curious… Anything sent directly to you!?

    I’ll tell you, I cannot wait to find out the response that you are given! If you get one that is… Good msg. that you sent!

    Everyone,
    I’m afraid that we are about to be left holding the bag. I’d say that the only solution that these clowns are looking for is to how they will break camp! Soon to be off to a new scam I’m sure. I’ll bet that they will milk this to the very end. If money continues to fall into their hands for free, why not huh? A good scam GPP. Yes a good one.

    Stella is surely a busy one. Busy doing exactly what though… Has she ever said what she does exactly? I’d say no, other than some undiscriptive bull. Has anthing ever been said, other than “it’s coming, wait and be calm, next month, be patient, banking solution, etc”. I’ll tell you the list goes on and on! At the same time never saying one complete scentence about the status, or what is trully going on w/ our money. Well maybe not all of it, but we did find out that GPP or whoever is playing the FOREX market, having fun trading currencies, trying to make money for….NOT US, but for themselves!

    Yes, we have been taken for a ride in a virtual truck, with a virtual business.

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 10th March 2008 @ 11:51 pm

  392. Do not despair, MikeCheck. There are people/entities, with verifiable addresses and phone numbers, who are attached physically and financially to Stella.
    They’ve been in GPP since it hit the internet, and simply say they “found” this opportunity.
    But, I am sure you see, they did not “find” GPP. …they were the “cheerleaders”.
    I’m not talking about naive individuals who come out to defend a cause they half-understand.

    Just those “in it from the beginning” pimps who also have a stake in the continued flow of cash.
    Also, Western Union has to have info on the recipients of the moneygrams, and there is a mail drop box for First Oceanic Bank in Camden town, London, that, no doubt, has had a surveillance camera on it for sometime, in order to transfer those funds to it’s Somalian “parent bank”.
    So, while Stella may be anonymous, there are a lot of loose ends which are not, and within those loose ends, no doubt, are more “loose ends”.

    Comment by zippy — 11th March 2008 @ 2:14 am

  393. Zippy,

    Those are absolutely excellent points! I have got to say that I suspected that these chearleaders, if you will, were in it from the inception! You hit the head of the nail when you metioned the fact that these guys seemed to have fallen out of the sky to tell of their great find!

    As for Western Union, I gave thought to being able to get them with this obtaining of monies for their fradulent purposes. Once overseas however, do we loose the ability to prosecute?

    Like I mentioned, these internet banks that allow for ONLY one way transactions are something people do not realize. Try to get your funds back, even if it was a mistake! NOT happenin’.

    Excellent points once again… I hope to see these loose ends get tied up at some point, to trip these clowns!

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 11th March 2008 @ 3:19 am

  394. Has anyone noticed a large influx of scam emails within the last couple of weeks. I have been getting anywhere from 5-10 per day. My question is, is it possible that GPP sold our email accounts to these scam web sites????????????????????????/

    Comment by Mred — 11th March 2008 @ 3:44 am

  395. No, MikeCheck, all western union offices are required to observe International anti-money laundering laws. In fact, all financial institutions within countries who are signed to the United Nations AML pact. (Which is EXPRESSLY why “Stella” requested payments to be broken up and sent to the 3 different names in Estonia – to avoid setting off the AML bells at Western Union. Western Union is still required to have pick up info for each money order.
    In addition, I am under the impression that Western Union was also one of the payment systems which introduced cameras in their facilities. I can’t see this being different in Estonia, cameras are cheap, disc-space for storage of those documents is cheap as well.
    As for the mail-drop in London, someone had to pay rent for it. There may or may not be a trail there, but a good part of London is covered by street-cams. Also, the same address is used as a mail-drop for several other “businesses”, so the “bank official” may also be running a “travel agency,etc.” from the same address.
    Considering these two items are from the actual site itself, there’s absolutely no doubt that they are leading to “Stella”.
    In addition, we have Stella’s favourite fake charity, with several names, phone numbers, and undeniable affiliations.

    That’s just for starters.
    I guess you’ll have to wait until people start complaining to authorities, though. Most of the complaints have been in the form of members asking their banks about depositing the return money. Should the money actually turn up in someone’s account (which I doubt), with an unacceptable explanation; the banks are required to notify Fincen or Interpol.
    Now, were this LEGAL, there would be no problem, given that the incoming money transfer would have a point of origin and an explanation,..such as – Origin: Lloyd’s Bank, London, account number – 2345432 – $55,000.00 cash value for for Traded Endowment policy, instrument number XYZ 123456. The bank contacts Lloyd’s and everybody sees that it’s all legal. Then, the gov’t knows you owe them some tax money, but,…so what? If the gov’t takes 40%,..is that really a problem? If you were ‘only’ getting $30K instead of $55K because it was done legally and the tax-man grabbed his chunk, is it a big deal?
    But, it’s the reason Stella is using to rationalize looking for a “banking solution”. Or, rather, the reason the members are getting for the delay. Not the real reason, – which is, there is no such thing, you’ve been scammed, and we’d like to continue this scam until we’ve milked this money-cow for every last drop.

    Comment by zippy — 11th March 2008 @ 6:27 am

  396. You know all these hackers (crackers) from Estonia, at least I’m so glad to get some software for free…

    Anyway, Zippy, they cannot run away, 130 000 or a few less (and their friends, contacts families) on their heels, they’ll surely go up in smoke if they do not deliver! Sure they have to place some lines on GPP’s site soon, everyone is wearing thin.

    Comment by extan — 11th March 2008 @ 9:16 am

  397. I joined GPP some time ago and have always read the comments here. None of us knows whether anything is genuine or not. Just a spot of hope, I have never sold it as anything but a gamble. There do seem to be a lot of similar offers around. World Pension Plus, Excel Prestige, Imperia Invest and probably others. Just wondered if you had any thoughts on these as well?
    Angie

    Comment by Angie — 11th March 2008 @ 4:22 pm

  398. Angie – All of these RPPs are scams. The numbers don’t work for any of them and there are no real companies behind them as they represent. They’re all run by a couple of guys who put up not very well done web sites and told a BS story to go with it to lure people into sending them money.

    For World Pension Plus it appears to be a small-time MLM players in the UK and Australia. For Royal Pension Plan, it looks to be a guy in Malaysia. MEGA Pension Plan looks like another in a long list of online investment scams from Warren English. The same applies in the case of GPP and it won’t be long before the individuals behind it also are identified.

    Save your money. None of these have ever paid, the numbers don’t work, many have already scammed out and disappeared, and not a one will ever pay because they’re not real in any way. It’s not a gamble, it’s a sucker’s bet that you have zero chance of winning.

    Comment by JH — 11th March 2008 @ 9:27 pm

  399. Angie: Sorry, but I do have to disagree with your statement that, and I quote: “None of us knows whether anything is genuine or not.” Yes we can and do know if something is genuine or not. All it takes is a little due diligence. Instead we get caught up in the hype, and throw all common sense out the window. We are too lazy to do any real work of our own to see if it is possible, but instead rely on other’s opinions and promotion. We believe because someone says it is real, then it must be real. Ever notice how almost always it is someone who says they know someone, who knows someone who vouches for the program; but it is never the person actually trying to get you to join that knows the “someone” who said this is real? I hope that made sense. Put another way, it is always a third person who is the one who claims this is real because they know someone who has been paid from a previous program, etc., but never the person who wants you to join. Hopefully that was a clearer explanation.

    There are just too many people looking for a quick and easy buck that requires no work, and for a little amount of money will return thousands. The scammers know this, and thus why it is so easy to steal from so many. Don’t you think that if it was really that easy, then everyone would be doing it?

    Comment by EagleOne — 11th March 2008 @ 9:44 pm

  400. I like the way neverland post all the member reactions under his user name…LOL this is just too funny

    Members speaking out!

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    neverland
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    Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 9:04 pm Post subject: Members speaking out!

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    Dear All of You,

    I am Hilde M.Makkinje and I am a Business Partner with Bob Proctor and I would like to share some of the knowledge I have and which I am teaching to others.

    We all waiting for Pay Out and I am sure that that will be the case soon, and all though you might not be happy with the fact everything takes a little longer, there is something really important I would like to share with you and hopefully you start to work with it.. Until the payment has manifested in physical form..

    When you are in a Dark room, you don’t see anything… Until you switch the light on, then the room is visible, the room looks different. Imagine this would be a 7 watt light ball. You’ll see some light, but just too little to see everything really clear. When we change the Light ball to a 100 watt light ball, the room will look brighter, more enlightened and you’ll see clearly All details.. It’s still the same room. What make it different? The Energy is the Same, it’s infinite and unlimited. That was the case with the 7 watt light ball, and it’s still the case with the 100 watt light ball.. The difference is the Body through which the energy is floating.. Does that make sense? You can compare it with the Level of Awareness one has, when one has the Level of Awareness of a 7 watt Light Ball one will see less things then when one has the level of Awareness of a 100 watt light ball

    When we all keep the image in mind that we are already paid, Yes, Like it already is a FACT. You see, we think in pictures, we become what we think about and as a man thinket so he is. What we have in our mind will become our reality. The world we live in, is a world that acts through vibration.

    When we focus on that one picture in our mind, that we are all longing for, we can change our awareness from being the 7 watt light ball to the 100 watt light ball. We are always in connection with the infinite source, but it’s our mind that will accept or reject idea’s and thoughts. It’s our subconscious mind that plays the crew, it will do everything that the conscious mind tells it to do, you will not be aware of it. So it’s utterly important at this stage to keep the picture in mind like we already have received payment.

    You can compare this with a NON-Physical Seed. From every physical seed we know the gestation period, but when we speak of non physical seeds, we have to make intelligent guesses because we don’t know. The only thing we can do, is keep the picture in mind of what we desire or the picture of our worthy ideal or in this case; the picture that we already have been paid..

    Wishing You All a Wonderful Night, a Night Full of Wonders

    Keep Your Dreams Alive.. Don’t let them Steal away by Fools

    With Love, Light & a Lot of Laughter

    Hilde M.Makkinje

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    neverland
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    Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 1:45 pm Post subject: Members speaking out!

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    Hi friends !
    I saw a message at GPP forum from Hilde Makkinje.

    Actullay im also educated by this great man from Canada , Mr Bob Proctor
    and by my mentor here in Sweden , MrThomas Martinsson
    Following are something i really want to share with you folks:

    Its a absoultely must for a humanbeen to first programme mentally before we can make it fysicly.
    Vincent Van Gogh a worldknown artist/painter was asked how he was able to paint wonderful motives,he answered : “Im dreaming my motives and after that i paint my dreams”.Means he saw the pic in his brain and then made a copy on the board.
    (the trueth is that there are no original Van Gogh paintings
    ever sold)
    To belive in things which you can fysicly touch is not at all to belive.But belive in something which you cant see is a Gods blessing. To belive in something invisible and to belive in something overweld.This belife makes you achive all you desire about,which are impossible for the mass.

    Tuff times are not lasting but Tuff guys(people) are.

    There are 2 important things for people to be aware off :
    1) For the rich people to look how the poor people are living
    2) For the poor people to look how the rich people are working

    The core of knowledge is to own it and to use it.
    If you search for the good in people they will discover the very best in you.
    Firendship is like a bankaccount You cant take out before you put inside at first.
    All a human manage to achieve and all we dont achive is a direct result of our thoughts. If one door is closed for us there are lot of new doors opend,Unfortunately mostly ,we put focus on the closed dorrs instead of opening our eyse and see all the wonderful openings and doors which is wide open just infront of us.
    No humans has ever been honored for what they achieved
    The honor became a result of what they gave

    96% of our population
    has 2 big lacks in their lives

    TIME & MONEY

    There are 4 categories of people:
    1) thouse who make bad money and work day and night
    (they have neither time or money)
    2) Thouse who make big money but work day and night
    (what they do with the money ? when dont have time )
    3) The unemployeed (pleanty of time , but no money)
    4 Thouse who have both

    Which category do you want to be?

    GPP
    gives us both TIME and MONEY !
    Stay focused and have patience
    we are going to succed

    regards
    Username
    foj
    Sweden

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    neverland
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    Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:39 am Post subject: Members speaking out!

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    Hi Neverland,

    I have read with interest the two recent postings on the General Discussion Forum from Hilde and Foj. However, I don’t find these communications helpful, it is through hard work and committment that the Programme will succeed and it is not appropraite for us to be distracted by communications which preach ethereal “Life Style” practices.

    We must appreciate that at the moment there are a large number of us who are eagerly waiting for the Programe to move forward, and whilst also, we all have to work collectively to bring it to a satisfactory conclusion, it means we must therefore all be vigilant and keep our focus on being ready and prepared for the next steps. The communications we get now must be related to real positive steps that Programme Members must be preparing to take and in our individual groups we should be working with both our up and downlines to make sure that as many people as possible are actively and regularly being prepared for this.

    Please, no more communications which don’t proactively move us forward, otherwise we risk loosing focus and distracting people from the main objectives!

    Regards to All
    Ray

    Remark from Neverland:
    Thank you for your opinion. You are right, members definitely have to DO the correct actions like filling out the agreement and making copies of their ID documents and keep themselves updated in the forum once the address is given out. However, some positive thoughts can only be helpful to all of us as many, many things are being caused in the spiritual universe. As with so many things in life, the truth is definitely somewhere in the middle. As we have received lots of positive comments on providing a place for personal opinions of members, we will keep this section open. 130.000 members will never have ONE opinion about things. But he is a very wise man who lets the others have their own viewpoint and does not have to fight it.

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    neverland
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    Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:28 am Post subject: Members speaking out!

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    Hello Neverland,

    I have been reading all of the new positive thinking updates in the forum,
    I do not see where applying the secret through Bob Procter is so bad, it is something everyone should apply to every day living. I do agree with ray that everyone should be ready when address is given, but like you said with all the force in the universe, we all need to apply positive thinking. I know there are a lot of us, ok all of us who are eager to see GPP finalized and all of us paid, but I am sure with all of the delays time and time again some are getting mad and frustrated, and do not want to hear or see positive thinking, but that is where we all need to be, to make this work, we can not afford for any negativity at all. We all need to keep the visualization of finally getting paid alive.
    Every man is entitled to there opinion, but it is true every one has a different opinion, no one opinion is right or wrong, we are all right and everyone deserves to be heard.
    To all, keep your chins up and stay focused and positive I am sure it won’t be long until we are all so very blessed.

    Sincerely,
    Thoughts become things!!!
    Kristi(jksmith22)

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    neverland
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    Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:43 am Post subject: Members speaking out!

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    Hello Neverland:

    I have read the message from Ray dated March 5 and your answer,
    And I totally agree with you.
    I Ready assiduously everything related to the Law on Attraction and so jealously guarded secret was revealed to us today and I firmly believe that if we do not create in our minds the first things deseandolas with all the soul, putting in everything we do our best more positive thoughts and things did not materialize.
    First think and say and all this will be what you have in your life, today, tomorrow and past.
    It is therefore important to monitor our networks, which do the right thing, but also teach them to think correctly, teach them that negative emotions will lead to similar situations, teach them that patience is cultivated in the minds, but when we think about things more negative of this we are going to have.
    We all know that if we record in a program such features as GPP must follow the rules and conditions, put their profiles a day, watching your website and the forum once a day, but what we know is that not all of the largest and hard work are doing what Stella and his team as well as your Neverland and all those with large networks, and instead of helping you with a frank and loyal support and instill animos we are doing everything to reves, giving problems speaking and elsewhere what not to.
    I firmly believe that GPP came to a successful conclusion and that we will soon have the best of news: the best solution bank, because I know my money is deposited in a bank, just missing it takes.

    I am from Argentina is my English translator automatic pardon for that.

    A huge welcome and much success to you Neverland

    A big hug to all and will see you soon!

    Regards

    Olga Balvidares
    User: negocioenred
    Buenos Aires – Argentina

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    neverland
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    Posts: 233

    Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 4:58 pm Post subject: Members speaking out!

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    Greetings Neverland and members:

    I have waited quietly in the background for some time now, reading the forum with interest and sometimes with amusement. Now, I feel it is time to speak up and hope that, in so doing, I can help those who are losing their faith in us.

    My background is in corporate finance, having worked in that capacity for over 30 years. I have been a part of major acquisitions, investments, and various banking decisions over the years. All that is said to let you know that I understand the complexity of the financial venture that we have undertaken with Global and in turn, they with the Trust Partners.

    What many of you do not understand is the fact that in financial ventures, such as this one, many variables come into play during the course of it’s development. Unforseen “speed bumps” occur which must be overcome. This does not in any way suggest that trickery or fraudulent activity is going on. It simply means that in the financial world, all is not smooth sailing.

    While others write in the forum about faith, trust, and spiritual powers, which are all good to have, I use those means in concert with my knowledge of financial matters. The bottom line is this: Global WILL succeed but we all need to calm down and let Stella, Neverland, and their team reach the conclusion we all wait for. It WILL happen and my prayer for all of you is that you will look back on this as learning experience into a world that may be new for many of you.

    Peace and love to you all.
    wayneloneger

    Comment by Busting Gut — 11th March 2008 @ 10:48 pm

  401. To those who are GPP members, aren’t you guys NOT supposed to be publishing things from the GPP website or you lose membership?

    Comment by jmal — 12th March 2008 @ 1:39 am

  402. Busting,

    This is one of the biggest piles of bull that I have ever seen! This clown is actually haveing a serious philosophical conversation with himself! I have got to say, that this is funny! Of course insulting at the same time! We are not the dopes that they hope that we are…

    Now let me ask, what should a darkroom have to do with our money! We aren’t down to take a photo! We are looking to see an investment growing!

    What we see here is: Wait for the prize, it’s around the corner, let’s not allow for people to express an opinion other than good feelings and provide a forum to cheat others out of their money!
    This non answer double talk is infuriating!

    Angie, it is unfortunate, but I must also agree w/ posts 397 and 398. This cannot be anything more than a scam. This cow has been milked! Still a little left seemingly… Unfortunate.

    Mred,
    You know I had not thought of this (I suppose that I should have) but the emails very well could have been sold! Anything to make a dollar! Looks like the emails actually could have been saved! Only to make a dollar of course, not to provide anyone with any valued information. Curious… Anyone else experiencing this?

    Oh yes my friends,
    I was looking at the Today show ( a mornig news show, for those in another country). Spoken of today was information referring to retirement scams. Scams, Scams, Scams!!! They are out all over the place promising great gains, and related. In the situations spoken of was taking retirement monies from people who have worked all of their lives, and in effect, tying it up for up to 15 yrs! Some people would be approx 90 before the could use it! That is so very wrong to take advantage of people like that. That is nothing more than stealing!! Similar to this. They actually had paperwork however. Not to say that this is good, but we have never seen ANY documentation anywhere!

    Zippy, you are on top of things… Very impressed w/ your findings and resarch.

    These clowns anger me so much in respect to stealing monies…

    Oh yea, that statement about knowing this info about this program from a friend of friend… A very interesting and quite true statement. Where, who initiated this bogus info? Surely the scammers!

    Let me end as Stella would:
    Peace of mind in the photography lab will provide good fortune, provided that my charity continues providing me a frutful bounty. The rains fall mainly in Spain. Dreams can be had if you just wait 10 more years (no, I mean next month)…

    All of these pretty words and statements NOTHING BUT BULL! If you’ve noted, and I’m sure that we all have, this says NOTHING about any financial actions.

    If only we can find them! They surely need to select a prison to enjoy thier fine drinks and women as some of the hypers state…

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 12th March 2008 @ 4:11 am

  403. This is one of the financial “gurus” from “The Secret” along with Bob Proctor who Neverland and Hilde and the rest of the GPP MLM crew put their faith in:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icklckUsOGM&feature=related

    Judge for yourself. There are several parts in a series that just get worse with each one.

    BTW, Proctor now is suing Schirmer and a few of the others featured for fraud and Schirmer has made similar accusations about Proctor. All of which are done in a very positive self-visualizing way way I’m sure. lol

    “Neverland” effectively gives away that this is all BS by his own posts. Do you really think that a serious company doing a +$60 billion dollar deal would be posting this kind of stuff on its site? Get real. lol This is a joke.

    Comment by JH — 12th March 2008 @ 5:00 am

  404. My sides still hurt from laughing so hard at those posts by Neverland. At least he is using the proper moniker, for he is in neverland. What a joke wayneloneger is trying to pass himself off as someone who has worked in corporate finance for 30 years. Of course he can say it, but his post proved it was all a lie. Figured it was about time for the cheerleaders to come out and try to calm the members with all these so-called “experts” that know this is real, and all you have to do is just be patient a little while longer crap.

    The sad part is some will fall for this drivel. Wonder what will happen when they find out that David and Bob are all under investigation. Guess they attracted the law of negativity, but how can this be? They were all about “positive thinking.” It won’t be much longer before “the secret” and all those preaching it will be busted. Then I wonder what excuse they will give for being busted. Now that is going to be really interesting to hear them explain. ROFLOL!

    Comment by EagleOne — 12th March 2008 @ 5:19 am

  405. I laughed my head off. Here’s “Hilda”, apparently one of those referral slime that keeps sending her unsolicited spam to everyody’s mailbox! She’s found the money tree, alright!!
    Have a gander,…if you haven’t already!

    http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=Hilde+Makkinje.&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

    Comment by zippy — 12th March 2008 @ 7:54 am

  406. In fact, here are some treasured words from Hilde, from http://www.scampas.com:
    “I don’t believe in ’so called’’ opportunity’s where the money shows up like out of nothing, because nothing comes like that..But fact is that a lot of people get themselves into buying things they don’t understand and they never will because of the simple fact they only have dollar signs in their eyes..”

    Really, Hilde? What about the “Secret”, and all that Proctor crap? Aren’y you expecting this money to show up out of nothing?
    Hypocrit.

    And, oh,…what a surprise!
    Olga Balvidares does the same thing only in Portuguese. She’s the Brazilian Hilde!
    http://www.google.ca/search?q=Olga+Balvidares&btnG=Search&hl=en

    Comment by zippy — 12th March 2008 @ 8:05 am

  407. Whatever has been said since yesterday, hope that positive results will somehow show up, not being ignorant for a second. I’ve mailed GPP, will see how things go.

    Take for an example Zimbabwe, former breadbasket of Africa, now run down like no other country just because of one negative operator. Now one can only hope that the new (young) guy from inside the ruling party gets voted in, incredible clever/positive guy in the class of guys like Cyril Ramaposa, he will surely pick up the country in no time, just needs to be supported! They try to get him to say negative things and he simply talks them under the table.

    Good luck with tracing the baddies, must say Hilde is pretty, guess that helps with a scam!

    Comment by extan — 12th March 2008 @ 9:22 am

  408. I don’t believe waynelonegar exists, because a 30 year financial professional would probably know how to type his own name. A REAL professional would, if he was using his real name,(even if he uses it as a username) be quite proud and would make sure his name was out front and comprehensible. (as in : Wayne Lonegar,…not waynelonegar).
    All this appears to me, is that neverland has kindly given us his alias’ in Olga and Hilde. Or, maybe they are his “sisters” and he’s Cinderella.
    At any rate, judging from the track record of these two “marketing professionals”, I’d hazard a bet that these are,…Neverland himself (or close enough to find him with.)

    Comment by zippy — 12th March 2008 @ 9:31 am

  409. Sorry, i was mistaken. Olga isn’t from Brazil, alone. She’s also from Spain, Argentina, and Australia. Gets around almost as much as Stella!
    Would probably help her appear to be credible if she could pick a country for all of her websites, unless of course, she owns several homes or lives on a ship!
    The problem is, people like Olga and Hilde don’t care what they’re selling or who they sell to,..they just want the money. It’s thoroughly evident when you look at the crap they are selling.
    Neverland must have asked for some testimonials to keep the peace. How despicable!
    BTW, Proctor just used Napoleon Hill and Dale Carnegie’s books to make a movie and MAKE MONEY for HIMSELF! There’s nothing new in the “secret”. He didn’t invent it. It was all available (in their books)about 40 years ago (or more). Proctor is having a great time imagining he’s invented a new ‘religion’.
    I’m all for positive thinking, but, there is a point when you realizethat even happy, optimistic people get scammed!

    Comment by zippy — 12th March 2008 @ 10:43 am

  410. How does one find out about the origins of any program on the web? I mean how do you know it’s guy from Malaysia or another Warren English scam? In the case of most RPP’s – are such things known of in the financial world at all? One person I know wanted to join one of them because she knew all about them and thought they were an excellent long term investment for insurance companies, and people joining should be happy to get a payoff so early. All too good to be true? There are a few really big hitters (they are called) who are promoting pretty heavily. But there is no money in it for them either if none pays out.
    So if they know so much (I presume heavy hitters know most things) why do they do it?
    Angie

    Comment by Angie — 12th March 2008 @ 5:33 pm

  411. Extan,
    Let us know if you get a reply from GPP, i havn’t had one yet! (don’t really expect to either!) At least we have a couple of names to start off with now (Hilda and Olga) its a start!

    Comment by Blade68 — 12th March 2008 @ 6:39 pm

  412. Angie – It varies depending on what information is available. Most of don’t give any substantive information that you can use to do any real “due dilligence” and basing anything on what they say themselves is kind of pointless. Mostly it’s by mistakes they make at various points where they leave some piece of information that you can use to trace things further. In the case of those that I mentioned they were sloppy and left files on their servers that I could see and use to trace back to specific individuals. In the case of English, he’s well known and he promotes his program through his newsletter and uses the same address (drop box of course) that he’s used for others. If you know him and his past, then you know it’s not real. And GPP’s made a few of their own.

    As far as promoters, in most cases they probably don’t know or really care and in some cases may believe it. If there’s a shot to make a buck, then they’ll promote it. It costs basically nothing to do it, so what the heck. Not like most of them have any good reputations to maintain. ; ) In some cases they do know and are just acting as shills and are directly associated or paid otherwise.

    And yes they’re all too good to be true. All rely on selling a policy that they buy for $N with a market value of $N immediately with no increase in value to another party for 3 times $N. No bank or investment company will do that espcially for the trivial return they’d get (~1.2% effective APR) and less believeable when it’s times 350,000 policies and a total of $60 billion dollars in the case of GPP.

    Comment by JH — 12th March 2008 @ 6:45 pm

  413. Angie, I wish “google” would put instructions for this on their first page.
    If you’re talking about basic “due diligence”, google is your tool.
    You want to find a “whois” and try a few to get varying degrees of licencing information.
    If there is no info,..don’t do it. If the phone number doesn’t add up,..don’t do it. If the address looks funny, copy/paste it into your google bar and see how many other businesses are using the same address. A lot of use means it is likely NOT an office, but a mail-drop.
    See how many other sites this person is hooked-up with. Type their name into google, and see what happens. (Not all ppl have uncommon names though, so you have to pick through and find the right ones, or add a distinctive keyword to your search.

    There are many opportunities out there, and a number of the crooked ones still use real names and/or addresses, Phone numbers are immaterial anymore because I could get a phone number through Skype that “places” me in Hong Kong (and I can answer that phone, too) ut I’m really in Paris.
    But, starting out with no names, no address, is just a big red flag. Phrases like “under the radar” scream, “We’re doing something illegal, and we need you to do this illegal thing WITH us”, which of course, makes members into accomplices.
    The commercial side of the internet is not a safe place. So, if the thing you’re checking out does not have , SOMEWHERE, a real live person you can actually touch, or a real brick building, or a real address where people can be located, and not just a mail-drop, ….steer clear.

    Comment by zippy — 12th March 2008 @ 8:48 pm

  414. What has really bothered me the most about these posts that neverland used trying to calm everyone down wasn’t really the posts themselves. What really bothered me was what the people behind GPP really think about their membership. They are laughing in your face, and many of you don’t even get it or know it. They think you are the most gullible, ignorant, stupid group of people on the planet; and will fall for and believe any “information” they post. To be honest, anyone joining this was gullible, but they are now trying to take this to a whole new level of meaning.

    I hate to be the one to burst your bubble, but this was, nor ever has been, about the membership or RPP’s. This has, and always was, about the money. They have it, and you don’t; and you willingly gave it to them without doing any due diligence. But it was only $40 you say, I spend more than that on lottery tickets you say, it was worth the gamble because it didn’t cost that much you say; and they knew what you would say, and they purposely kept the dollar amount low so you would join for those very reasons. Hard to file a complaint over $40 isn’t it. That’s what they counted on, and they were right. Well, at least so far.

    But if you can get a couple hundred of you, or more, from one country or state to join forces you can file a class action lawsuit. Then it isn’t just $40 any more is it. Just a thought for all of you to consider when the time comes, and the time will come for you to consider it.

    Comment by EagleOne — 12th March 2008 @ 9:47 pm

  415. Eagle,
    I agree. They take us to be a fool. Sure they’ll give up $40… Too much trouble to chase behind for that small amount of money. These clowns have a real racket going on here. Thy would not still be around if the dollars still continued to come in… I wonder how much money they made today? Yes, those little $40’s add up…add up fast too….

    Members,
    I wanted to make note… If you are interested in the understanding of schemes such as this one please view the following website provided by zippy. Unfortunate at how very many scams there are. So very very many! I’ll tell you, I may not be able to stop their stealing, but I hope that I can put a dent into this GPP plan! This site will show how these scams defraud good citizens as ourselves.
    PLEASE VIEW…
    http://www.scampas.com

    Asking one to give up hope? No I am not. At the same time however, we must be realistic. No information, No names, No phone number, No communication (at least no direct communication that is of any value), and No status of funds = No money in our pockets!!!!!!!

    I would so like to shut this down, not before we could jail these scammers however….

    Stella & Co, if you tink that thee words are negative towards GPP, then you’d be right! If she’s not off on vacation, I really expect not to hear from her. Then again, why go on vacation when you are doing nothing but accepting others hard earned money for doing practically nothing except establishing a scam!

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 13th March 2008 @ 12:47 am

  416. Hi Blade68,

    You are right, I will not get an answer from GPP! I sent the following letter to gpp.forum@googlemail.com , we should start to hammer them, then maybe they will wake up, I guess waiting time is up, they need to communicate ASAP.

    “Dear Madam/Sir,

    I am one of those who wants to be POSITIVE about your “project” I contribute regularly mostly positive stuff to the UK Buz.

    But I have time and again said and everyone agrees that GPP’s conduct is utterly unprofessional, your incognito and non-communicating conduct damages your image like nothing else, you really should come out REGULARLY with a few lines (progress update) on the forum to reassure members of your commitment, NO MATTER HOW BUSY YOU APPEAR TO BE!

    You should be aware that if you decide to take 130K members and their friends and contacts for a ride, then there will be no place to hide!!!! You play with fire, some may already be so furious that they take the law into their own hands!!

    Kind Regards

    Comment by extan — 13th March 2008 @ 8:52 am

  417. your comments give much food for thought. I am still puzzled as to why a scammer carries on so long and therefore risks being exposed, when it would have been easy to fly with the huge amount of members money many times. Why don’t they allay fears by keeping well in touch on their forum? Wouldn’t a really good scammer do everything possible to look kosher? Like answering mails (which GPP doesn’t) and keep the membership from worrying and thereby spreading rumours etc? Has anyone ever made real money from a good web opportunity? Are there any honest people left? I am very sad this morning.

    Comment by Angie — 13th March 2008 @ 10:29 am

  418. Angie, you said:

    …I am still puzzled as to why a scammer carries on so long and therefore risks being exposed…

    If I was a lawyer, or a law enforcement agent, or somebody who wished to catch the people behind the Global Pension Plan, I would first go and talk to the following people:

    Inara Astica, Oksana Snetkova and Ivita Vingra

    The first place I would look would be the following address:

    Gertrudes 15-31/35, Riga , Latvia

    These three people (probably aliases) are the people who “Stella” asked GPP members to send money to via Western Union back in May 2007.

    See comment 5 on http://bizoppsuk.com/gpp_comments.php

    I’d also go and look here:

    “First Oceanic Trust”
    BCM Drawbridge House
    27 Old Gloucester Street
    London WC1N 3XX
    England

    However, there is very little chance that you’ll ever get any money back from this particular “scheme”.

    As JH and EagleOne pointed out so well, this was an easy scam to pull as everyone is happy to risk a relatively small amount of money such as $40…

    Comment by Ben — 13th March 2008 @ 10:48 am

  419. Angie, yes how stupid can GPP really be, nobody would conduct a scam like that, but maybe that’s why they precisely operate like this?!

    They would do good to tell us why!

    Comment by extan — 13th March 2008 @ 1:37 pm

  420. I still have not heard from GPP, I went to the forum and went to PM neverland, and guess what….. “private messaging has been disabled” !!! Maybe the game is finally up! no posts for 7 days! Time to start some action people, we need to unite to get them.

    Comment by Blade68 — 13th March 2008 @ 6:21 pm

  421. This whole scam is based on psychology.
    Many people are embarrassed to admit they have been scammed. Many people may be afraid to admit that they sent money orders to unknown persons in Estonia. Many would be embarrassed that they got involved at all, and GPP(stella) knows this.
    How many people will report that they lost $40.?
    How far will it go when police are told that you gave $40. to a person named “Stella” who has no last name, no address, and no phone number?
    When you tell the authorities, “But they collected $40 from 130,000 people!!”, and they respond with “Where are the other 129,999?”.

    GPP knows this. That’s why they have your money and you don’t know what to do.
    The scammers are clever, but, never as clever as they need to be.
    They have made physical contact with some people.First, Team Themco has 3500+ memberships, so they should have some clue who the operatives are here. I am positive that they do.
    Now, Stella claimed (so, therefore it may be a lie) that the owner of Ningbo Export/Import bought 10,000+ memberships. If this is true, he may be wishing to speak with someone as well.
    All is not lost,- there is always a trail.
    EG. The server they use has a co-location unit out of Chicago, that sends the GPP hosting through “anonymousspeech.com”. This is also under “Domains by Proxy” which is well-known for a history of hosting sites of ‘questionable nature”.
    Now, you COULD start by calling these guys at anonymousspeech (who aren’t very anonymous). They have a bunch of proxies and colocation units that shoot all over Japan, but they end up in these people’s laps:
    http://whois.domaintools.com/164.46.25.196
    (if it doesn’t come up, just ‘whois’ that ip address.

    Here’s the info:
    person: Chiyo Takimoto
    nic-hdl: CT315-AP
    e-mail:
    address: Nomura Fudosan Osaka Bldg. 3F
    address: 1-8-15 Azuchimachi, Chuo-ku
    address: Osaka 541-0052, Japan
    phone: +81-6-6261-0805
    fax-no: +81-6-6261-0805
    country: JP
    changed: 20030812
    mnt-by: MAINT-JP-FSVNET
    source: APNIC

    person: Hirokazu Morikawa
    nic-hdl: HM326-AP
    e-mail:
    address: Nomura Fudosan Osaka Bldg. 3F
    address: 1-8-15 Azuchimachi, Chuo-ku
    address: Osaka 541-0052 , Japan
    phone: +81-6-6261-0805
    fax-no: +81-6-6261-0805
    country: JP
    changed: 20030718
    mnt-by: MAINT-JP-FSVNET
    source: APNIC

    Note: These guys are NOT GPP! BUT, they get money from GPP or “Stella” to maintain the site. So, there is a money trail there. They must have fairly accurate info on the owners, BUT, you may need a court order to get it.
    Also, remember that Stella’s favourite charity is a scam run by David Villacreses and his 2 buddies, Paul Healy and Michael Morris. Villacreses posts in the GPP forum under “Vilrose” if I remember correctly, but he has other I.D.s as well. Obviously, he is in league with the “Stella-crew” and has helped make absolute fools of the members of Themco, who have kindly donated enough REAL cash to purchase hundreds of additional memberships to send to “Breadforkids”.
    In turn, these people have aligned themselves with a David and Catharine Oldham, of Alberta, Canada, through their charity “Children of Ecuador”. Since their site makes no mention of Villacreses or Breadforkids, it’s debatable if they have agredd to this, but they may have info on where to locate the real “Vilrose”.
    So, you see, there are loose ends. There are more.

    Comment by zippy — 13th March 2008 @ 7:06 pm

  422. There is no honor between theives. GPP individuals/secondary companies in this scam, in preventing possible prosecution, would it not be better to “drop the dime ” on GPP? I’m sure that they would have no problem in giving you up to the authorities if they got to close to their tail.
    Take this for example. You may be identified as one of the main players in this scam! If you have received monies as an accomplace, surely you don;t think that you’d escape this prosecution! Think of those who were scammed, think of yourselves! The arm of the law is long. The arm of these criminals, I’d say is very short. Consider this as they escape into the night to leave you holding the bag!

    As for TeamThemco, well I must say, I trully did think that you were in very deep w/ GPP. I really did. I see that you are just maintaining the site (still could be bad). A court order may be required to obtain this information, but wouldn’t it be bett not to be associated as a site that plays hosts to scammers?

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 14th March 2008 @ 4:36 am

  423. Stelliar and the NeverNeverland strikes again….

    what will be the next excuse

    Comment by Busting Gut — 14th March 2008 @ 4:46 am

  424. Good work Zippy, really appreciated!! About Themco, well lets wait a bit, that guy supported GPP and now he got so quiet, they must have s..t really dirty in front of his door. So he will really open up if GPP does not deliver!! It really beats me how GPP act like little inexperienced children, lets get them and roast them if they do not deliver 🙂

    Comment by extan — 14th March 2008 @ 9:14 am

  425. another day and the only new post on GPP is on the Svenskt forum, the post is from Wayneloneger, so i guess its the same post as we had on 06th march. now its takin the p**s!

    Comment by Blade68 — 14th March 2008 @ 6:12 pm

  426. Do any of you know what all is involved in obtaining a banking license? Do you know how long of a process that is? Do you know for this banking license to be approved, the bank would need assets to make it the #2 bank in the world? Do any of you really believe GPP has access to assets of this size? Do any of you still believe this is possible?

    Comment by EagleOne — 14th March 2008 @ 9:27 pm

  427. Eagle,
    To answer your question, No! No one should! Why would such a company be in hiding? For those who don’t know, see how much information of substance that you can find on it….

    Good point…

    MikeCheck

    Comment by mikecheck — 14th March 2008 @ 11:26 pm

  428. I have been reading this column with interest as it reflects my thoughts about the GPP. I feel that those who bought Stella’s surprise (being able to buy additional policies even when the quota was reached) acted upon greed and haven’t used their God-given brains. What’s with confirming if all are qualified? I am pretty sure that each member who signed up followed each verification instruction to a T at signing. Come to think of it, they have not updated us with this info, while they used to update numbers weekly once they decided that the program had to be completed by August 2007.
    And since the fiasco of the first program that was completed(won’t mention the name here), if they GPP was real, they should have started moving their butts to find banking alternatives.
    I won’t be surprised if the next announcement would be the nail in the coffin-excuse that some evil force (those brave enough to question the validity of the scheme) has destroyed the plan and that the program can’t be realized, and there goes all the dreams of us gullible customers!!!

    Comment by Kitz — 15th March 2008 @ 1:39 am

  429. Well, what is going to be interesting is if they are indeed making a filing for a banking license (I don’t believe they have or are even trying to do so) they won’t be anonymous much longer. When you file your application you must provide this information:

    Type of License applied for Class A or Class B; PROPOSED NAME OF APPLICANT; ADDRESS IN THE STATE FOR PLACE OF BUSINESS FOR APPLICANT; NAMES, ADDRESSES AND CITIZENSHIP AND RESIDENCY OF DIRECTORS, SHAREHOLDERS, AND OFFICERS OF APPLICANT; Verification of Identity of Directors (a minimum of two Directors) Shareholders and Officers of Applicant: A certified copy of the identification page of the Passport, Professional Reference Letters, Bank Reference Letter; APPLICANT’S SOLICITORS & ATTORNEYS-AT-LAW: A letter from said Solicitors and or Attorneys-at-Law confirming that they act for Applicant; NAME AND ADDRESS OF PROPOSED AUDITORS: A confirmation letter from said auditors confirming that they have agreed to act for Applicant; APPLICATION FOR INCORPORATION OF THE COMPANY IN THE STATE; VERIFICATION OF BANKING EXPERIENCE; EVIDENCE OF APPLICANT’S SECURITY DEPOSIT (Class A: $500,000, Class B: $100,000); PROOF OF ABSENCE OF CRIMINAL RECORD FOR (1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc., Director); ANNUAL ACCOUNTS OF APPLICANTS HOLDING COMPANY; NAMES OF ALL SUBSIDIARY COMPANIES OF APPLICANT; VERIFICATION OF A COPY OF THE ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION AND BY-LAWS OF THE APPLICANT COMPANY; REQUIRE CHARACTER REFERENCES: Personal and Two Bank; CURRENT NET WORTH STATEMENT AND LIST OF ASSETS HELD BY SHAREHOLDERS DIRECTLY AND INDIRECTLY THROUGH HOLDING COMPANIES; STATEMENT OF CAPITAL OF ANY OTHER COMPANY; PROPOSED BUSINESS PLAN OF APPLICANT: The business plan must contain information regarding the following:
    a) a description of the objectives of the company;
    b) proposed customer base;
    c) opening balance sheet and three year projections as certified by an auditor;
    Attached hereto to form part hereof as Attachment 17 C (i), (ii), and (iii) please find
    Applicant’s (i), Projected Income Statements, (ii), the Rationale on which these are
    predicated and it’s (iii) Projected Balance Sheet.
    d) management structure;
    e) anti money laundering policies and provisions; (draft copy enclosed as a guide)
    f) a feasibility study;
    g) the economic need that the company intends to meet;
    h) the nature and source of capital financing;
    i) proof of applicants ability to meet statutory requirements for minimum paid up capital
    and statutory deposits;
    j) a description of internal systems and controls; and
    k) copy of the ownership structure including group members and affiliated companies.
    PERSONAL DUE DILIGENCE QUESTIONNAIRE; PROPOSED DATE FOR COMMENCEMENT OF BUSINESS; and PLEASE NOTE THE AUTHORITY HAS THE RIGHT TO SEEK ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WHERE IT DEEMS NECESSARY.

    Oh yes, one more thing. The bank is required for all persons opening an account must APPEAR IN PERSON. Makes no difference if onshore or offshore. Anyone ready to travel to where they obtain this banking license?

    Comment by EagleOne — 15th March 2008 @ 6:26 am

  430. are you people who are posting on this blog actual members of gpp.
    or are you out just to make trouble.give gpp a chance to respond
    to all the comments you are posting.if you are members how much do you stand to lose,not a lot i bet!give them a chance!

    Comment by jacko — 15th March 2008 @ 9:42 am

  431. Just so you know, I didn’t publish the list of what information is required by the applicant(s), as it would have taken up way too much space. That list of information required is about twice the size of the application information. Before the application is finalized, the applicant must deposit the required assets and financial capital required. Failure to do so voids the application. Sure is going to be interesting to see them deposit close to $90 Billion just to open its doors.

    Comment by EagleOne — 15th March 2008 @ 11:06 am

  432. A person in my upline has mailed everyone to say he cannot reach the website of GPP. Then someone else said he should try something called a proxy site. Does anyone know anything about this sort of thing? How can you go another route to a website? And why does a website suddenly become ungettable? Is it the computer or the web or the site itself?
    Stupid ol’ me again?
    Angie

    Comment by Angie — 15th March 2008 @ 3:25 pm

  433. Jacko
    Most of us are members and gpp have had more than enough time to reply allready! But they won’t! Its not the amount of money, its the principle! Are you a member? Are you happy to walk away knowing how much money they have made? If you had taken the time to read through some of the previous posts then you would not have asked those questions!

    I have sent this email to Teamthemco

    Hi, as you have probably noticed there has not been a post on gpp’s site for 9 days, and the last few insane ramblings dont count anyway! Most of us feel that the scam has come to an end now, just wondering how you stand? have you had any kind of contact with them recently?

    Have you been on this site? http://www.bizoppsblog.com its very interesting, and there are alot of people ready to take action. Cheers Daryl

    Comment by Blade68 — 15th March 2008 @ 5:32 pm

  434. Jacko,

    Quite seriously, how long is long enough?

    If they wanted to provide information, provide anything, say we’ll be right back…anything!

    I think that you’d agree, that this says, “I don’t care about the members”. That’s what their actions say to me.

    Angie,

    As to a proxy site… They probablysugested something like that because the actual cookies identifying you and other types of info are not being provided. Makes you look like a fresh new target!

    The only thing that I have to ask, is why shouldn’t you be able to access this site by going through all of these gyrations? So, I guess that you have to sneek into their site huh? What kind of business works like that. Very unprofessional. I understand your friends frustrations. I feel his/her/their pain…

    I’ve unfortunately, got one word for this GPP….. You all know what I’m going to say….. SCAM!!!

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 15th March 2008 @ 9:56 pm

  435. Check out the forum. What??? Am too tired and too bored to care to comment much else. Check out News n Announcements. What The!…..

    Can you do all the commenting on this one. Am still reading this blog just been lacking in any reason to comment on GPP..

    Bit too long some of these posts, and dont really read it all properly, so either break it into paragraphs a bit more or shorten it would help.

    I have to say eyes go blury after four or five lines.

    All the best to you Extan, God love you mista! Bet your taking good care of him JL. Lets take care of each other and keep positive with each other. Sammy! xoxox

    Comment by sammy — 16th March 2008 @ 8:10 am

  436. 15.03 Stella has just posted 3 new posts on the GPP forum, the first is downright rude, maybe because members are stupid? But one would rather expect a proper progress report!

    Forget the 40 dollar and think of the promise they owe us!

    There is also one post from her where she intends to clear up some failed pay-ups from Dec 07, makes one think again, or is this just another clever ploy before they run for sure?

    Comment by extan — 16th March 2008 @ 8:50 am

  437. Jacko,
    Maybe you can’t see what’s at stake here. Sure, if you want to think it’s only $40,…you can think that way. Yup, you GAVE $40 to some thieves or maybe you gave it to some shady “investors”. You know, there are people on this planet for whom $40 is one heck of a lot of money. If we were going to toss it somewhere, I personally would have preferred to throw it at a charity (of MY choosing) than be conned out of it by some slicksters.
    Next, there’s the issue of, just what value does one place on their own time? GPP has been holding people’s money for up to 2 years with the expectations that they would be compensated some 6 months ago. Then, it was december, january, no,….february,…um whoops,..well, it won’t be March,..maybe on April Fools Day we’ll know, but I doubt it.
    People have to hunt, search, use proxies, use the secret handshake and mumble the password to get into a forum where Stella doesn’t even have the business or common acumen to post. It is common practice (and polite) to inform the people whose money you have collected, what you are doing and at which point in the operation you have managed to get. Stella never seems to get anywhere,..it’s always some “busywork” but never, done. Nothing is ever finished.
    But then, it is also common practice to allow those who have entrusted you with their funds to know your last name, or your phone number!!
    So, we’re not talking about anyone who is respectful or courteous, or even a professional.
    That $40 could actually have become a lot more $$$ in a legitimate investment plan, but Stella apparently believes she’s a bank and can use the money as she pleases. Otherwise, if she has not been using the money, she would have been inclined (and required if this were legit) to tell us what, where, and how our money was being kept, AND she would have to inform us of the interest accrued over the time she has had it.
    Thirdly, some people have already sent in their full ID. Now, this could be the most expensive loss of all. ID theft is the theft that keeps on thieving. After they take your money and ruin your credit, your life will never be the same so,…maybe you should think a little more deeply about consequences of actions before you make light of the loss.
    What some could lose, may be devastating.

    Comment by zippy — 16th March 2008 @ 11:42 am

  438. Re: GPP update

    Where are people sending their ID’s??? I have never been givin a mailing adress, so I wonder where these members have been mailing them to?

    Comment by magoo — 17th March 2008 @ 12:51 am

  439. Well, it seems many people were sending their ID information here, and I quote: “if you go to GPP forum you can find Stella’s bank a/c number , bank address etc etc many members are used that details to send payments.”

    Guess they missed the part about this only being a mail drop, not a real bank address, nor Stella’s bank a/c number. Talk about willing giving our your personal information for identity theft. Now you know why so many joined. They have no clue about real investments.

    Comment by EagleOne — 17th March 2008 @ 2:07 am

  440. Eagle,

    Right you are… People are not realizing that they are begging to get got yet again! Your info will be sold on the web just as fast as you provide it! The black market, as I’m sure that we all know, will sell anything!

    For all of the pumpers of GPP, please direct me to ANY site showing positive information (other than the GPP site itself – although I’m sure that it does not work). My friends, I ask this only to show that this question will not be answered. There is no positive info out there on GPP other than the scammers behind this scam. If you have something please allow me to take a look.

    Don’t send your personal info, suggest to your friends, neighbors or anyone not to buy more policies, and lets try to find these scammers!

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 17th March 2008 @ 2:20 am

  441. Or, Estella is just bluffing about people sending their IDs because she came to this site and read about people having an idea on what they are going to do with all these private info they’re going to collect! By doing so, she thinks it would negate some people’s allegations about what they’re gonna do with them!! Smartie pants! Don’t buy it!!!
    Estella, show us the money and stop all the blah, blahs!

    Comment by Kitz — 17th March 2008 @ 3:45 am

  442. Kitz: I wish that were true, but I know for a fact many did send their documents to the mail drop address for the bank thinking it would reach Stella, as well as being a legitimate address. As to the exact number I don’t know, but I can tell you it was at least in the couple of hundred’s; possibly more.

    In re-reading my last post I want to apologize for all the typo’s and inconcruent sentences. I hate it when I do that. This time I will re-read before I post.

    Comment by EagleOne — 17th March 2008 @ 7:28 am

  443. EagleOne, do you really know anything for a fact regarding GPP? Especially what they are getting at their “maildrop” address? Are you a postman there? 🙂
    Or are you “near” Stella and Co.? Are you in know of their business? Really?
    Please, tell us more! You shouldn’t leave us uninformed! As you can see, everyone just playing the guessing game here.

    Finally, a man who knows something for a fact!
    Eagle, we are waiting your words! Please, carry on…

    Comment by Don — 17th March 2008 @ 9:15 am

  444. Some funny posts lately, hope you are all ok!

    About some members sending in their ID number, not wanted at the moment by GPP, it is stupid in any case, theft risk, you could instead send your birth certificate when requested, who else wants to be reborn on yours (hope your mother is still alive)…? I think their idea is to ultimately send you the bank “solution” address (email, whatever and to keep their hiding address secret) so then members can send in their form and b/cert etc. to the bank and get the promised debit card in return. Does it make sense?

    Due to GPP’s unprofessional conduct some members are confused when to send in their documents, thinking they might lose out if they do not, no such request as yet, if ever.

    Comment by extan — 17th March 2008 @ 9:57 am

  445. Do you guys know that Teamthemco’s site doesn’t work? I googled it to make sure I’d get the right URL and Google’s spit was “Problem loading..”
    I have a feeling they’re also a part of the plan, and one of the first to be inching out of the picture slowly..

    Comment by Kitz — 17th March 2008 @ 10:57 am

  446. no themco is not part of gpp

    Comment by extan — 17th March 2008 @ 11:19 am

  447. Well Don, we are not doing a guessing game, the only problem is that Stella and Co. are quite esoteric, so nothing gets done like we expect, so we need to use some special psycho analysis and guess what, they are still planing to pay out in their own way, … but we just need to wait and wait!

    Comment by extan — 17th March 2008 @ 11:38 am

  448. Well, DON, we do know, for a fact, that the office of First Oceanic in London IS a mail-drop. How do we know?
    Aside of the fact that I used to work around the corner from the “bank”, if you simply google the address, you will find that the building is pretty full of addressees other than banking businesses. Then, if you get a google map, you can see that it’s simply a 2 story small house-sized building. Then, if you do a whois of First Oceanic bank, you’ll find that their head office is in Mogadishu, Somalia.
    Unless there’s a bank teller’s wicket in the loo, this ain’t no bank!
    Is that enough fact for you?

    Comment by zippy — 17th March 2008 @ 11:59 am

  449. Extan, Themco topdogs have ties to GPP.

    Comment by zippy — 17th March 2008 @ 12:00 pm

  450. It’s hard to see how anyone, other than GPP itself, can know ‘for a fact’ how many have sent their documents. The maildrop used is a couple of roads away from my London office and is run by BM Monomarks, probably the oldest maildrop company in the UK – I can’t see them telling!This is idle speculation and contributes nothing.

    Comment by Owen Platt — 17th March 2008 @ 12:20 pm

  451. For Owen Platt:

    I know you’re convinced 10,000% that all these RPP’s are cons, but what would you do or say if one of them actually paid out?
    Would you feel a little foolish that you hadn’t joined?
    Even though GPP in particular may turn out to be a con or fail, my gut instinct tells me that although on the surface the financial
    numbers for these RPPs do not appear to add up, there is some way that the financial instrument they are trying to construct can be used to make money in a way that is not known to the general public or even to people such as yourself who’ve had careers in offshore banking.

    Comment by TrickOrTreat — 17th March 2008 @ 2:31 pm

  452. Trick,

    Though it would be great to see such an investment pay out, I do not believe that it can. Trully, if it did why would we need GPP to do this for us? I’d be at the bank/insurance again opening up a couple right now myself!

    Have you heard of one, just one of these RPP’s that have paid out?! I have not seen any that have. I’m sure that everyone would like to know of it… Settle their nerves a bit…

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 17th March 2008 @ 4:35 pm

  453. Trick or Treat

    The whole point of being a professional banker is that it enables one to assess any investment opportunity realistically. And there are no hidden mysterious investment opportunities in the world of finance.
    Personally I would not send one dollar off to someone whose name and address I did not have!
    My new book out later this year is entitled ‘And Pigs Might Fly.’ Just about sums it up I think.

    Comment by Owen Platt — 17th March 2008 @ 4:56 pm

  454. Ben didn’t know what he was getting into when he made that first blog post for this huh? lol

    Comment by JH — 17th March 2008 @ 6:21 pm

  455. Don: Obviously reading comprehension is not one of your strong suits. What I said was I know for a fact that people “SENT” their documents to the address given for the bank. I did not say that GPP or Stella “RECEIVED” them. The reason I know they were sent was because a member of GPP told me the people in his group did thinking this was where they were to be sent. They did this in January because Stella had told the membership in December they had the whole month of January to submit their documents. They didn’t realize they were supposed to wait for further instructions from Stella.

    Now there are 15 people in his group, counting him, and each has at least 10 in their downline, and I have no clue how many are in each of those 10’s downline. Do the math. Either he was lying to me, or he was telling me the truth. I believe he was telling me the truth because he had no reason to lie about this. Now if they did this, I am sure there were many others who did also. Why? Because Stella made it a point to tell people to stop sending documents. Do you really think she would have said this if people weren’t sending documents to that mail drop address? As to what happened to them once they were delivered to that address, one can only speculate; but it does not mean they weren’t sent there.

    Comment by EagleOne — 17th March 2008 @ 7:03 pm

  456. I think that these members should now prepare to pay $12.00 a month for the service to have their credit records protected for the rest of their lives.

    ID thieft is a terrible thing. I can only hope that this does not happen.

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 17th March 2008 @ 9:51 pm

  457. Eagle One.

    I don’t think there was anything wrong with Don’s reading comprehension. When one makes cryptic statements of fact, it is advisable to quote the source of the information. Saying ‘I know – but I’m not saying how I know’ leads to scepticism – as was the case here.

    Comment by Owen Platt — 18th March 2008 @ 7:15 am

  458. Zippy, Themco used to help GPP at some time and then it soured up, now the old man tries to get Stella back, maybe she is beautiful 🙂 .

    Everyone can you think about any other interesting subject except talking about the “wrongly” sent documents to GPP? Obviously new decisions supercede the old ones so those members were just sleeping, that’s it!

    My analysis is that GPP will pay out, will see how much and whenever, the other option of running away, Zippy (and Dina) will sort that out!

    Comment by extan — 18th March 2008 @ 11:53 am

  459. Extan,

    These wrongly sent documents could have a serious impact on people’s financial future. How would you feel knowing that a credit card could be established based on the information that you have provided to some unknown entity?

    Why do you believe that they will pay?

    What basis do you have to show anything about a payout?

    You have NEVER seen a RPP ray out, so why do you believe it?

    Most importantly, please tell me of your ANALYSIS!!!!!!!!!!!!
    This should be a good one…

    MikCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 18th March 2008 @ 12:49 pm

  460. Extan, How could Themco help GPP , without knowing who Stella is? I can see one person, alone with their computer, joining an unknown, but I certainly cannot fathom any possibility of an investment organization, 3,500 strong, making any kind of financial agreement or involvement with someone who is missing a last name and phone number. Not possible. You can’t get 35 people to do that, so 3,500 definitely did NOT do that.
    In addition, how did Stella hook Themco up with Breadforkids, if they never communicated other than on the internet? It’s not like Stella said, “Save the Children Organization”, or “Unicef” or “Oxfam”. This is an obscure, highly questionable website claiming charity-status and affiliation with another that doesn’t recognize it. How could they possibly find them on their own?
    That’s too far-fetched.

    Comment by zippy — 18th March 2008 @ 12:51 pm

  461. Zippy, we know the old man personally, ok?

    Comment by extan — 18th March 2008 @ 1:02 pm

  462. Extan – we know who the old man is – and his address and telephone number. OK?

    Comment by Owen Platt — 18th March 2008 @ 1:47 pm

  463. HA! Then tell us his name… Tell us anthing! Know him or not, you can’t conduct large transactions without public placing this infomation. This cannot be true. Hmmm, maybe I’ll attempt to talk w/ someone at Teamco…

    I agree, this charity was a SHAM! Strike one.

    Let’s not forget, this nonsense of providing poor stella w/ additional monies for the great work that she did. What great work!?!?! I for one never saw anything, any clue as to what she did!!! BIG STRIKE TWO!!!

    The POOR leadership of this scam! Don’t get me wrong, they successfully scammed a lot of people, which was their intention, but to the common man, this nonsense about jumping from one bank to another is a sad excuse. When you have a contract with a bank, YOU HAVE A CONTRACT!!! It would be up to the financing company to pull through with the deal, not GPP!! SCAM SCAM SCAM. Strike three.

    They are out! Ha! There are surely enough stike ready, begging to be had. Surely more than that what is found in a baseball game!

    Nonetheless, could you provide us with some of your findngs with your reasearch? you spoke of in POST# 457?

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 18th March 2008 @ 1:53 pm

  464. Mikecheck – just send me an E-Mail.

    Comment by Owen Platt — 18th March 2008 @ 2:14 pm

  465. Happy you also know him, soon we will maybe also know Stella, president of handing out millions, Mike you can bet on it, just believe it 🙂

    Stella is currently sorting out the re-payment or the fixing up of those payments that went astray during 12-07, what action does that imply, does it ring a bell, are they busy running away, they could have done it long time ago!?

    Comment by extan — 18th March 2008 @ 2:14 pm

  466. This is the reply i had from Teamthemco:

    Hi

    What we know we post on our blogs.

    We remain positive and have absolutely no time for the bizoppsblog. Just ask them to give you proof on anything they say. It is all conjecture and heresay.

    ATB

    Terry
    Themco

    What an answer!!!

    Extan,
    Don’t you get it? They are not running away yet because they are still receiving large amounts of money!

    Comment by Blade68 — 18th March 2008 @ 6:14 pm

  467. Owen,

    you are on the ball! I’ll get up with you shortly.

    Extan,

    Tell me how are you privy to all of this info on GPP? I simply cannot believe this. There is NO info being shared with thelrest of us poor souls! We have to rely on second hand info on everything. You say Stella would not just break camp and leave. Well I have two things to say on that note… 1) I have not seen anything to substanciate that ANYONE has been busy doing anything except collecting money! 2) Stella is supposedly still around…. Well now, why would she leave! If she could still obtain these easy monies, stay annonymous etc., why would she leave!!!

    Could you share with the members and myself this information that you found with your research?

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 18th March 2008 @ 6:15 pm

  468. Blade,

    You know what, I actually missed your post… Now I have to say, I can’t agree with you more! It’s practically the same thing that I said just now!

    Man! What a sorry excuse for an answer! That’s no true response, that is a “let me answer this to him off of my back” response. Dig this, I’m sure that you noticed, but is this somone else who does not provide a last name?!?!

    Sounds to me like someone is trying to disaccociate themselves from this sham…or either as noted, the funds just keep on rolling in!

    Let’s see here… Since Stella cannot discribe any further about GPP, allow me to do so by simply using words…

    SHAM, SCAM, STEALING, MISLEADING, NON-COMUNITIVE, there are many more!

    Comment by MikeCheck — 18th March 2008 @ 8:00 pm

  469. Looks like I should re-read my scentences before posting them too. Back to my point however.

    I do not know who stell is (yet).

    I have not seen any work, progress, or anything other than statements that are of no benefit.

    Let me tell you, if they are having this much of a problem with this banking solution (or what ever they want to call this today), why did they/would they wind people up into a program for which there is no solid financial plan/basis? This simply screams SCAM!!!

    I envite anything to disprove these statements!

    Extan, what about that research?

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 18th March 2008 @ 8:07 pm

  470. Mike are you going overboard, watch for the sharks out there…?

    About GPP we just check a “savings account” as it grows or not and it shows that not much money is coming in currently for Stella and Co., sometimes not for a week in response to GPP not communicating, like a barometer of confidence. Hope that answers your question?

    Comment by extan1 — 18th March 2008 @ 9:43 pm

  471. Mike,
    His name is Terry Gilder, hell of an answer though!!!

    Extan,
    where are you getting this information about savings accounts from?

    Still no response from gpp about the mail i sent!

    Comment by Blade68 — 18th March 2008 @ 10:33 pm

  472. Mind you, I think Terry Gilder has some serious money coming into his account if he starts blackmailing Estella–into exposing her if she doesn’t share the money with him. Please can someone stay close to the guy? I am just thinking of possibilities here. If things turns out to be a SCAM, we may have a serious lead here!!!!

    Comment by Kitz — 19th March 2008 @ 6:51 am

  473. R E P U B L I C O F S L O V E N I A
    SECURITIES MARKET AGENCY
    13. 2. 2008
    P U B L I C W A R N I N G
    against Global Pension Plan
    Slovene Securities Market Agency is warning investors about activities of the company
    Global Pension Plan, on the territory of Republic of Slovenia.
    Global Pension Plan has not obtained the Agency’s authorization according to Market in
    Financial Instruments Act (Official Gazette of the Republic of Slovenia 67/2007 and
    100/2007) or any other securities law to carry out services in the financial instruments field in
    Slovenia and by the date of this warning the Agency has not received any documentation
    proving that the authorization is sought in order to acquire that authorization.
    The list of the entities with the Agency’s authorization is available on the Agency’s website
    http://www.atvp.si.
    The Agency strongly urges investors considering dealing with Global Pension Plan to
    exercise the greatest possible caution before proceeding, bearing in mind the contents of this
    public notice.
    Poljanski nasip 6, Ljubljana, tel.: 01 28 00 400, faks: 01 28 00 430

    Comment by Koychi — 19th March 2008 @ 9:27 am

  474. jealousy everywhere and a lot of hogwash, the bottom line, anybody that has a lot of money will have a lot of problems from so called agenies/banks that want to stop the windfall!! That is human nature!

    by “savings account” I mean those members that have downlines, the “total due to them” grows as the money into GPP grows, can anyone understand that? I can understand that the old man does not read this blog!!

    Comment by extan — 19th March 2008 @ 9:41 am

  475. If GPP is this great professional organization, then what were they doing having Stella go on the around the world cruise to find a banking solution, instead of staying home and working on the December refunds? Sounds like lousy customer service to me. March is almost over and she is just now getting around to working on December refunds? Yep, sure glad this is being run by Professionals.

    Comment by EagleOne — 19th March 2008 @ 12:18 pm

  476. Koychi,

    What more do you have to say? Post 472 says it all.

    Jealousy has nothing to do with money!

    Could you show your reasearch to dispute?

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 19th March 2008 @ 1:54 pm

  477. this is really dumb, isn’t it?! GPP will pay out just not telling when, maybe April, May or June? 🙁

    Comment by extan — 19th March 2008 @ 2:15 pm

  478. Extan,
    that is not a savings account!!! they are just numbers in the air unless gpp pay out! NO COMMUNICATION….NO COURTESY…

    Comment by Blade68 — 19th March 2008 @ 6:43 pm

  479. And suprise suprise, gpp site down again! is this it? I dont think we need any more proof that this is a scam, we need to take them to the cleaners!

    Comment by Blade68 — 19th March 2008 @ 6:48 pm

  480. gpp site not down. use a proxy,you will get it up!

    Comment by jacko — 19th March 2008 @ 7:24 pm

  481. Just tried GPP site. Log in without any problems. Hence no further news.

    snartmor

    Comment by snartmor — 19th March 2008 @ 7:25 pm

  482. extan: You really should get a copy of Owen’s book “Just Numbers On A Screen” and read it. It would explain a lot of things to you. Also get a copy of his new book coming out. Between the two you will learn so much, and be able to protect yourself in the future.

    As for the saying “things not being over until the fat lady sings,” let’s just say the fat lady is warming up her vocal chords.

    Comment by EagleOne — 19th March 2008 @ 7:55 pm

  483. Blade,

    Since they just got Majorly Busted with that great info provided by Koychi, I’ll bet that they would be about to break camp! Those free flowing dollars may cause them to stay a bit longer though!

    Sad, that after all of this info on the web, others are still being sucked into this scam! I’ll tell you… What has happened with our money is not much different than placing $40 into an envelope, writing one word on it… “STELLA”, then dropping it into a mailbox. This scenario is similar in that we won’t see that cash again.

    Seemingly our situation (in respect to Stella) stands like this… We know her (possible) first name… PERIOD!!!
    We do however, have the benefit of knowing some of the peripheral info surrounding this scam. This info probably accidentally left. I’ll give it to them… Free servers (in some cases), using in servers in different countries, all this here and there. Spells “S C A M” to me!

    Jacko,

    It is unfortunate that members have to go through a proxy site to access information that you should easily be able to get at! If you have your password and other info, you should be able to get right on in! Think about your bank account! You can access this online. Surely they wouldn’t have us members go through these ridiculous loops. Why doesn’t GPP give us members who have supported them the same courtesy?

    Between you and me, I think that it is a poor setup of the website. For as much as this Billion dollar company has been down, it does not say very much for it at all! No, not at all. I think that this is something else that we also would agree with…

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 19th March 2008 @ 9:13 pm

  484. Mike,

    Well put, no other business operates like this, it is beyond a joke and saddens me that people are still joining.
    I thought that Teamthemco had just been sucked in but after that last email from them i’m wondering if they are part of gpp!

    Comment by Blade68 — 19th March 2008 @ 10:26 pm

  485. In light of the recent events with GPP, I thought it might be interesting to take a trip down memory lane from 8/31/06 and see what Stella was saying about GPP then, versus the reality of now. And this is not by any means the total post that was made of Stella’s statements. Space would not permit to post it all now. This is copied from another forum, where a person posted these comments from Stella. So let’s go back in time to August 2006, and I quote:

    “The following questions were sent to Stella at Support, which were answered very quickly (and on the weekend, too):

    Key Facts:

    Office Hours: Monday to Friday
    This is an insurance plan
    Earnings: $55,000. (plus $2k per referral)
    One Time Membership fee: $30.EUR (approximately $38. USD)
    Payment methods: e-bullion, e-gold or wire transfer
    A new “Gift Coupon” is now available
    Plan pay out will be in USD
    Forum: Yes

    Q: Who runs the Global Pension Plan?
    A: I am not sure if you are aware of that Global Pension Plan is run by the Trust Partner and through a trust (Anstalt) registered in Liechtenstein. The originator consists of five European businessmen, who have experience from similar business dealings but on a smaller scale. I met with members of the Trust Partner as well as the manager of the insurance company involved before I decided to step in and start working for them.

    Q: Do you anticipate any difficulties with this Program?
    A: To stay alive, we must keep a low profile and stay together. We have met difficulties, like SPAM and DDoS attacks, but all of them have been beaten successfully! It’s normal to experience attacks from naysayers who want to destroy something extraordinary. But because of a professional online presence plan, we are still available for the general public.

    Q: What does the Trust Partner pay in this Program?
    A: The Trust Partner pays about $4 – $5 per every new member in addition to the membership fee of $30 EUR out of it’s own pocket currently. So please understand the collected membership fees of $3,5M is actually -$450,000 for them. They decided to set the fee to $30 EUR to show some goodwill, but also because $40 would have been too much for most of the people.

    Q: Can you give us any sort of time frame with respect when you might meet your 100,000 member target?
    A: To be honest, it’s pretty difficult to give you any time-frame the program will be completed, as it depends on the activity of our members. It may take 3, 6 or 9 months.

    Q: Once the target membership has been met, when will payout happen?
    A: Once the target of 100,000 members has been achieved, the payout will happen in about two months.

    Q: How will the funds be paid out?
    A: The funds will be paid out all at once. The Trust Partner won’t use e-gold or any other e-currency for the payouts, as the amount is way too high for them to handle. Right now they are working on a complete online banking solution which will offered for the members, so it looks like the anticipated debit card is replaced. I will keep members updated!

    Q: To confirm, the maximum age to join the program is 66 and there is no minimum age?
    A: You are right, we don’t have a maximum age to join the program. However, people older than 66 won’t qualify for the Compensation of $55,000, but can still earn via the Loyalty Program.

    QUESTION: How can the policies be mortgaged if they are not paid for yet?

    Answer: This is possible because the premiums haven’t been paid for yet. Both the insurance company and one of the mortgaging financial institutions are owned by the same company. Thus the mortgaging institution doesn’t have a risk of any kind as they can play by the rules of the house and have control over the monetary issues all the time.

    Once the program has been closed, the pension policy is issued in member’s name. At this stage the policy is not active as the Trust Partner hasn’t paid the premium just yet. Now the member is asked to sign the sales contract so that all the liabilities, and benefits too, concerning the policy can be transferred in Trust Partner’s name. At this stage they own the future benefits of the agreement, thus the mortgaging is possible.

    Once the policy has been mortgaged, the Trust Partner is the debtor, not the member the policy has been bought from. Next step is the funds will be released for the Trust Partner and they start taking care of the expenses the pension policy has created, one of them is to pay the member the Compensation of $55,000.

    Regards,
    Stella and the Team”

    Comment by EagleOne — 20th March 2008 @ 12:11 am

  486. Extan?,
    Please don’t be so naive, you’re much too intelligent for that.
    Of course Gilder is in on it!
    He supposedly DIRECTS a rather huge investment club. Are you telling me that he organized the investment into GPP of 3500 memberships PLUS, to someone with no last name, organized by 5 unnamed businessmen?
    That’s why he’s at liberty to give such glib responses.
    I am also positive that 95% of the members of Themco have no clue, that’s why they belong to such a club. They believe they are being directed towards smart investment choices by their leader.
    Ask yourself,…if you had directed 3500 people to send money to these people, and they cannot even communicate, …would you act so non-chalant? Or would you be demanding answers because you appear to your members to be a part of the problem?

    Comment by zippy — 20th March 2008 @ 1:56 am

  487. maybe you should ask “Terry” why there are suddenly 12 months of Themco archives now “vanished”.

    Comment by zippy — 20th March 2008 @ 3:06 am

  488. My friends,
    At first, I was also wondering if Teamthemco could have been a hapless company being duped by GPP. Upon reading these posts I became very suspicious when that highly suspect answer was given as to why they would not answer any questions… Now how could I let this go? I am now almost positive that Teamthemco is in on it too. Take a look at this crap… This is Teamthemco’s E-mail address: thefoundn@gmail.com or telephone number: 01483 223931

    I think that this says it all. There is so much more that it makes me just say, what a shame…what a shame for us all invested in this sham. You all should look them up. You all will see how sad this is. We’ll have to see about running them down. I think that I’ll look further into this.

    Eagle,
    That info provided is excellent. This shows exactly the lies that was told to investors long ago. What a scam. I really feel badly for those who are heavily invested. People, there is surely no doubt that something is wrong here. Stella has lied over and over and over again. We can see that there are so many lies that have been told that she’s (and her other ID’s) are tripping over themselves. I have some god posts to share from anohter site. STELLA, why don’t you try to stop me… I’ll tell you why… Truth hurts!!!

    I must again say that I’m amazed at how many sites that GPP ran up on! Well there was some resarch on that at least.

    I hate to see that these scammers think that we are so stupid! It’s sad but the possibilities offered was too tempting and therefore we bought in. Yes 40 dollars that we got jacked for. Seriously, it does not matter if it were only 50 cents. We would still have been told incorrect info to scam our money. This is wrong! Wrong Wrong.

    You know how we can find just about anything on the web. Look up GPP. Tell me how much more negative info that there is out there about this sham. I invite someone to show me some positive information dated past July of 07, which is not on one of their own sites or blogs. Very few if any I’ll bet. If you do run accross a positive site, share with us the info that they will provide. My guess: Convoluted, info going around in circles, non information, and/or just something describing this scam!!!!

    Stella, I’d suggest that you address someone here on this forum. I am so very ready to make a presence known on every other blog that I know of. Better get your staff and five investors together and think up something fast… No response tomorrow and… Well you’ll see. This undisputable info provided on this site is so good that I may just…. Tell you what. I’d address us, and fast! I know that you are reading this!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Members, again sorry for this long post, but I hate seeing people getting scammed! You’ll note that there is not much being said to disprove any of these statements. I tell you, I find more and more about this scam every day.

    PREVENT OTHERS FROM FALLING PREY TO THESE LIES!!!! If only we could find them!

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 20th March 2008 @ 3:08 am

  489. Zippy,

    You say that these archives just vanished huh? I’d say that someone is trying to hide something.

    Something similar happened to me… I had some posts which questioned GPPs practices, on another blog (probably hosted by a GPP member). Funny, but almost all of my posts were surgically removed! I’d say that I was getting too close to the truth huh?

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 20th March 2008 @ 3:12 am

  490. Mike: You have many “cheerleaders” from other forums going in and deleting their posts. You had Stella deleting references to the timelines of the payout. Some threads when closed mysteriously had some posts disappear when archived. This is not the first time this has happened just before a program pulls a Houdini. The question is how much longer before they do.

    Notice that in August of 2006, they were searching for a banking solution. Now in 2008 they just started the search for a banking solution?

    While they may have deleted their posts on the forum, it doesn’t mean that someone hadn’t C&P’d them just in case. So some still have those famous posts if needed. Also I would venture that someone has copied all of Stella’s updates for safe keeping too. One way to prevent them from being able to delte their posts entirely is to quote their post in your post. Only you can edit it, and you still have their statements in the thread. Just an FYI for the future.

    Sorry to say, yes there will be a new program that will pop up, and some already have that will be nothing more than a way to separate a fool from his money.

    Comment by EagleOne — 20th March 2008 @ 6:49 am

  491. Hi Eagle, generally I read technical and scientific books, not rubbish. It also gets extremely boring to read these posts, it used to be fun. Zippy, you try to put things into my mouth or change what I have said. I also wonder who is blade68, is it Peter? Anyway, it does not really pay to look into the past, conditions change, etc. but please enjoy yourself… the investment grows!

    Comment by extan — 20th March 2008 @ 9:13 am

  492. Well, if it makes anyone feel better, the First Oceanic Bank requires the production of a notarized copy of a passport to get an account, so, it would be interesting to know whose name is on the account.
    I’m sure that can be found out, eventually.
    Extan, I did not put words in your mouth, in any way. You insist the old man doesn’t know what’s going on, and I say it’s impossible for him to have made the investment without knowing,..simple as that.
    Removing archived files when the blog has not increased in size is like the burglar alarm going off. Somebody’s getting worried.
    If Themco was innocent, they would 1. have more to say, and 2. wouldn’t suddenly start hiding archives.

    Comment by zippy — 20th March 2008 @ 11:00 am

  493. Zippy,the old man did as if he had good relations to Stella, etc., he actually did at the beginning and his friends and associates did not know that the relations were not so firm any more as they had been.

    But one should think about those guys that bought a lot of memberships and had a reasonable relation to GPP, do you still think they will run away? I don’t, they would be very foolish!!!

    Comment by extan — 20th March 2008 @ 11:47 am

  494. Extan,

    Your statement that it does not pay to look in the past at past conditions and changes makes little sense. A statement such as that make me wonder if you are reading these “technical” books or the funny papers. If you deal with money as much as you say that you do, why would anyone look at the history of a stock to see how volitile the stock is?

    Curious, you seem to be getting pretty happy that this investment continues to grow… WHY? Are you/would you be obtaining any additional benefit? NOT THAT ANY OF US WILL REALIZE! So you are so happy about these delays exactly because……… Please don’t say that you are a part of this scheme. Well, whatever…

    Well, that said, you still have not told anyone of your previous research, explaining about how well GPP is doing. Remember you said that? Please share…

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 20th March 2008 @ 12:54 pm

  495. ok Mike you are always right!

    All you positive and negative people have a happy Easter weekend, hope Stella has time to search for Easter Eggs!

    Comment by extan — 20th March 2008 @ 1:55 pm

  496. Wishing all of you of the Christian faith a very Glorious Easter. See you all after Easter.

    Comment by EagleOne — 20th March 2008 @ 7:52 pm

  497. Extan,

    No, I do not know everything… I’ll bet that $40, that I’m not wrong though. Wait a minute, I mean my unrealized $55,000.

    You have got to realize that this is a sham. There is NOTHING to support anything said by GPP!!! NOTHING. I’ll bet that no one can explain how this could possibly work! Would your research by chance, explain this?

    Ha, hope she has time to search for Easter eggs… Well she probably wouldn’t have to. She could just let little kids send in their easter eggs to her! I’m sure that she’d be willing to tell them that they’d get a nice big prize! Something like she did with us!

    Haven’t heard anything about ole’ girls charity. You know anyone who has donated? Think that this is a good thing?

    Everyone,
    Speaking of Stella, what was up with this nonsense about us giving her $ for doing such a good job!?! This is so outrageous that I still can’t believe it. In fact, i may go back and look at this nonsense once again! GPP must REALLY think that we are stupid! Anything to scam money huh? Tell you what, those two things help futher allow us to see how much of a scam this is. Again let me run down some suspect activities:
    1a) Stella’s charity
    1b) Where is this charity located, or registered?

    2) The money we should provide to her for doing such a good job. Are they for real?

    3) The looking for additional contracts. Why? What benefit does this serve to anyone but them?

    Got more to say… I’ll be back..

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 20th March 2008 @ 9:41 pm

  498. Extan has got to be one of them. He is planted here to plant the seed of doubt in your minds. He is here to keep the lie alive. He might even be stella.

    no one could be that supportive of GPP unless you where on the inside looking out.

    Extan I want a refund!

    Comment by busting gut — 21st March 2008 @ 6:10 am

  499. Busting Gut, hope it does not bust! I’m not wealthy so I have to believe in GPP to help me to help other people and myself, Stella might be mother Theresa of Calcutta resurrected, so just be patient, soon she will also tend your wounds 🙂 just planting another seed to offend you?

    Comment by extan — 21st March 2008 @ 10:02 am

  500. latest post on teamthemco

    FSCF- Passes 12 Melons
    With the advent of mobile phones, you may have overheard someone on the train or bus who you took to be a trader in Fruit and Veg.

    Well you are partly right, for they were definitely traders, but not trading in Fruit and Veg.

    The city boys and girls needing to get at their markets as early as possible in the day, bearing in mind they are no doubt dealing internationally, in markets that were already up and running, whilst they were still travelling to work, found the mobile phone an absolute godsend in helping them hit their lucrative bonuses.

    Rather then draw attention to themselves talking in Millions, Billions and Trillions, they used code words – Melons, Bananas and Tomatoes respectively. So now you know what to listen for when ‘City Traders’ are on their mobile phones.

    March 20, 2008 Posted by teamthemco | FSCF | | No Comments

    FSCF is stellas charity! this is disgusting!

    Extan, I am not peter, whoever he is.

    Comment by Blade68 — 21st March 2008 @ 3:22 pm

  501. Extan,

    I read your words of wisdom everyday, you are not stupid!

    so why do you blindly follow the GPP lie???

    another month has come and gone, and still no payout.

    I hope all is well with everyone and that we all have a Happy Easter!

    Please enjoy your Good Friday!

    Please remember Jesus died for our sins today…so Stelliar and the NeverneverLand band my still find forgiveness. LOL

    Comment by busting gut — 21st March 2008 @ 5:33 pm

  502. Jacko,
    how do i proxy the site?

    Comment by Blade68 — 21st March 2008 @ 7:07 pm

  503. blade68,
    i use :kproxy: type this into your search bar,then type globalpp.net into there search bar. this will bring the site up

    Comment by jacko — 21st March 2008 @ 7:25 pm

  504. Busting, I do not follow GPP bluntly, if you have understood ANY post from me (nobody here seems to be, so I do not fit here), but it is worked out against pure simple logic concerning human behaviour in tricky situations. What choice do they have with so many members who for example have already shown to plan to work together, I mean, “gorilla gal” Dina might already be on her way and Zippy is working out things just in case GPP wants to run away 🙂 ?

    We had a nice day at the beach and had a boat ride to Seal Island, beautiful Cape for sure!!

    Comment by extan — 21st March 2008 @ 8:18 pm

  505. Jacko, cheers, that worked, no real news on the site!

    Comment by Blade68 — 21st March 2008 @ 8:29 pm

  506. Extan, why do you follow GPP blindly? You have never shared any oth is reasearch that you spoke of. There is nothing for you to have done research on. Nothing has ever been shown to any of us members! The only way that you could say that you do know is if you are in on it! I can’t immagine someone being so positive sitting around with no questions after all of this info sent on this bogus scheme.

    If you are truly a believer please once again, just give a synopsis, since you are holding this highly prised info to yourself. If you didn’t want to tell us anything of it, why did you even bring it up?

    Well, it is good to see that you agree with us that this Charity of Stella’s is a SCAM! At this point perhaps you could help us find how to track this and at least shut shameful segment of the original SCAM down!

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 21st March 2008 @ 8:37 pm

  507. Extan, You think I care more about GPP than I do. I don’t really look for anything, Google is such a simple thing. And, I don’t believe you’re in on anything.
    What irks me is the ‘leadership” of Themco prodding his flock (of sheep, apparently) to contributing in spite of there being no communication, and no apparent intention of follow-through. This is not a business behavior. This is con-man behavior. And using children, as bait, disgusts me.
    I think people here really like you, Extan, so, don’t take any of this too personally. I don’t equate you with Stella. You’re just another person wondering where this is going,.you lean to the right, I lean left.
    Have a wonderful holiday, everyone,

    Comment by zippy — 21st March 2008 @ 10:26 pm

  508. There’s no one to deceive, it’s just all make believe….
    Don’tchuknow, Don’tchuknow, Don’tchuknow

    Jimmy Buffett

    Comment by Busterblues — 22nd March 2008 @ 3:48 am

  509. Take for example Florence Nightingale, you would probably trust her, because she was well known, possibly doing more good than George W Bush.

    Stella and Co. are practically unknown, but now take for example the owner of Themco, he knows(knew)Stella in some way and he seems to believe in their project,UNPERTURBED investing into foundations for the GPP money to be invested into(someday????), doing it during the time that GPP’s website was down, exactly when all others started to panic, including myself. There are other examples!

    Now what do make of this fact, Mike? Obviously we all know that your best friend or your beloved boy/girl-friend can kick you in the back after being so good to you, but nevertheless there should be a clear hint of a (possible) positive outcome?! A ruthless pure scam is running on thin ice!

    Comment by extan — 22nd March 2008 @ 4:17 pm

  510. “Stella and Co. are practically unknown, but now take for example the owner of Themco, he knows(knew)Stella in some way and he seems to believe in their project,UNPERTURBED investing into foundations for the GPP money to be invested into(someday????), doing it during the time that GPP’s website was down, exactly when all others started to panic, including myself. There are other examples!”

    Give me a break. Stella an Co. are not “practically unknown” they are absolutely unknown and they purposely want to remain so. Irrespective of their pupported reasons, there is no way that a legitmate entity doing a deal of this nature can operate in this way. And if nothing else, the lame amatuerish web site and communications alone should tell you that this is in no way real.

    The only reason that Themco is interested in and promoting this is for the referral money. It costs them nothing to make “virtual” investments using virtual money. Once GPP goes under, they’ll either disappear along with it or move on to the next scam promoting it in exactly the same way.

    Comment by JH — 22nd March 2008 @ 7:16 pm

  511. JH,
    Excellent observation! Your statement practically cannot be dissproved! TeamThemco must be obtaining some benefit. Indeed, I has to be the money!!

    All,
    As I mentioned earlier,I think that this TeamThemco is suspect anyway. Why? Well I have seen very little if anything about this “TeamThemco” before 2007!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don’t believe me? Look it up yourself! I’ll bet for sure that you won’t find any information about this company, surely before 2006! Amazing how fast a company can grow in a few months. NOT!

    Extan,
    Have you found anything? Perhaps GPP could show us where they existed before they had a need to invent a company as such, to fool investors.

    My friends,
    I again, must say that it sickens me to see this company take advantage of people. This scam is simply ongoing! It’s working for them however!! I’m seeing that there are so many people that have been fooled into believeing that GPP would be good enough to give us this outrageous benefit. OK, I’ve said that before… Let me then say something else! Rember back in Jan when we were getting frustrated w/ the solution not accourng on Jan 31st. Well that was no suprise to me. Then, they said,one more week, then again at the end of Feb. Now it’s the end of April or some nonsense. We all know how old this has gotten. Now, if you all will pay attention to this hypotheses, I’m sure that you will be amazed, amused, saddened and angered, if this comes to pass. I’ll start a new paragraph on this one!!!

    Hypothesis: GPP will enact some kind of new policy or plan which will again pay out some outrageous amount of money to get new people to buy more “New Policies”. Oh yes, this will happen before ONE CENT is paid out to us!!!! My friends, I’m telling you! I can feel their need to get fresh new funds with a New improved SCAM!!! To excite others, I’ll bet that they’ll say something like this will pay off quickly, or even better, pay MORE MONEY!!!! Mark these words! I’ll make reference or simply re address this later.

    Extan,
    What do you think of that hypothesis?

    JH,
    When you say that soon that they will drop off the map. It’ll happen I’m sure. Soon as we get too close. But I’m betting that they won’t shut down just yet due to the fact that GPP is established. I almost laugh when I say established for a scam, but you know what I’m saying… On that same not however, I was at first thinking that they would be shut down by now and long in the wind! As I noted however, the cash is simply too good, to free… so why stop! We don’t even know exactly who they are for goodness sake!

    MikeCheck

    I wonder when the next batch of informative information comes out?…Wait a minute, we have NEVER gotten any informative information!

    Comment by MikeCheck — 23rd March 2008 @ 4:06 am

  512. Mike your hypothesis like anything else rambled is possible! It is amazing that nothing I’ve said seems to sink in, no matter how careful one tries to put it across, this probably means that there is no will to understand anything (just being difficult) or there is empty space in the head (ok, maybe some grass?)It’s something like when a lecturer delivers a good standard lecture and then tests the students and gets a 0% pass rate! Very sad indeed.

    I thought it was made quite clear that Themco is not a part of GPP, actually they could lose even more than many of us. So my statement about their action of being unperturbed, was based on their basic trust through having known them for some time. You just try to distroy everything, no matter what!!!! Sorry for you!

    Comment by EXTAN — 23rd March 2008 @ 8:30 am

  513. Extan,
    The archival pages that Themco removed from their site, held the proof of their tie to GPP. That’s why they removed them.

    Comment by zippy — 23rd March 2008 @ 10:25 am

  514. exactly, but there are no ties since some time! Like if you have trouble from a boyfriend, OK? 🙂

    Comment by extan — 23rd March 2008 @ 10:41 am

  515. Yea, Like a boyfriend or girlfriend that takes your money and runs. Never to be seen again!

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 23rd March 2008 @ 2:38 pm

  516. No, like the ties are still there,…just invisible, because they have their little fingers in other pies as well as this one, and with the same people.

    Comment by zippy — 23rd March 2008 @ 3:19 pm

  517. Why do you think they removed the pages? If it was because they no longer had ties, then they would post something in that regards in the blog. But ,they haven’t. They removed the archives to try and get rid of the evidence that ties them to the people running GPP.

    Comment by zippy — 23rd March 2008 @ 3:23 pm

  518. Well said zippy!
    Tell you what, they’d better work harder at hiding than they are doing now! Ha, once info is out on the web…it is on the web! The info is out there,
    it’ll still be found. Perhaps they’d be better of coming correct. I’d suggest that they do. Perhaps cop a plea agreement. All bets would probably be off if GPP got caught first. They need to realize that. GPP would drop the info to save their skins and bring them down w/ them. Something for TeamThemco to think about if any or them are reading this blog…

    Funny it almost sounds as if I were trying to look out for the accomplaces to GPP’s crime. I actually am in one respect. A little good will towards TTCo.

    I will say Happy Easter to all and I hope that you have a wonderful day!

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 23rd March 2008 @ 3:54 pm

  519. Oh my goodness!
    I simply cannot believe what I’m seeing… Now I suspected that TeamThemco was a scam draped in the guise of a company that may be getting duped, but that is not the case!

    TeamThemco is a player with GPP! Talk about a scam!!! My friends, if you do not believe me allow me to show you what they have said THEMSELVES!!!

    We see that we are going to need Stella’s support in connection with the presentation of the bank accounts and particularly with regard to providing a letter from the disbursement bank, to conclusively demonstrate that the funds are clean and clear and not generated from criminal activities. Without this letter, no bank will accept the funds, so this is very important that it is in the correct format.
    ————-Now here they were referencing the Charity. If stella has a charity, why is she asking for funds in this investment environment? Cheesy!!! Scam like, and shamefull.

    Oh even worse!! You all will have to read this!!! Again in their own words!!!—- I must say, this is absolutely to very sad to see! This statement from TeamThemco will surely end the thought of a payout! Let’s find them and shut this scam down!!! Unacceptible. We have continually been told to “be quiet”, “payout is right around the corner”, “be continually patient”, etc… Well many have been! I’m saddened for those who have large amounts of money invested but you must read this. This came out March 7th from TeamThemco… (New paragraph for ease of reading…..

    “In conclusion, we would like to voice our own thoughts on the GPP banking solution. It is our view that the GPP Banking solution is very far from being a done deal. GPP, or a third party, still have to secure a Banking Licence. Does this banking licence qualify them as a clearing bank? If it does not, then it is our opinion that they will have to access the electronic interbank SWIFT payment system via a correspondent bank.”

    Let me let you see this scentence once again from TeamThemco (who apparently knows quite a bit of GPP info, with their gmail account)…

    —It is our view that the GPP Banking solution is very far from being a done deal.

    —GPP, or a third party, still have to secure a Banking Licence.

    Yes my friends, we have been LIED to.

    This is practically undisputable. SCAM SCAM SCAM!!!

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 23rd March 2008 @ 8:52 pm

  520. My friends,

    This is actually a continuation of my previous post (Please take note… I think that you’ll appreciate the following). Look at this nonsense…. This was said by TeamThemco..

    “Whilst we have discontinued posting the GPP Forum posts for security reasons, we understand that some members are still having trouble accessing the Forum. Therefore we will include this post by Stella, since it appears to be causing some confusion.”

    This steps on everones intelligence. WHAT SECURITY REASON WOULD THE HAVE IN POSTING FROM GPP FORUMS!!! This site has nothing that can pose a thret to TeamThemco’s personal address!!!!!!!!!! I guess their cut and pasting from one site to theirs would cause their servers to blow up!! HA!

    One more… This was in January!!! I just can’t get over how hard they are clowning us members!!! I just cannot believe this!!! Digg this! They are now doing us a great service to help us not have to pay taxes… How nice of them. All we have to do is, guess what…. WAIT!!!
    ” Assuming GPP policy sales fall under Capital Gains Tax (CGT), it may be beneficial for people with policies, or indeed multiple policies, who are subject to UK Taxation, to consider delaying receiving payment from GPP, until after 5th April 2008, the end of the tax year.”
    Alright they were asking for an additional 3 months here. It is now March. Guess they are going to next say, they want to wait until Summer Vacation! SCAM, SCAM, SCAM!

    Please read the previous post… The 5th paragraph, please note…

    This scam is just crazy large!! This was a good one! I simply cannot believe the money that they are continually receiving after all of these delays, scam charities, non-company gmail email addresses, no company addresses, no last names, running around in circles, NO LICENSE (Umm, should this have been had before the program began), and stable bank. NOW IF THEY DO NOT HAVE A BANK, WHERE ARE THE FUNDS LOCATED?

    I can’t wait for a response on this and the previous post!!!!!

    Somebody put this info onto those other sites, blogs, whatever. Thsi scam is all over the place. We need to shut this down. I don’t know how… Yet, but I’ll try to help in this “solution”.

    MikeCheck

    MikeCheck

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 23rd March 2008 @ 9:15 pm

  521. No this is really getting stupid…

    Themco’s statements in Mikes( Scam,Scam,Scam)looooooooooooong letter if correctly quoted clearly shows that their connection with GPP is not up to scratch any more, so the archives are of no real value, because that obviously does not prove the present situation!

    The obvious fact is that the waiting game is also getting on their nerves, so GPP better hurry up and give us a regular progress report and stop their senseless postings.

    But let me tell you it appears to be a total waste of time to talk to people like you who do not seem to see any “deductive” present scenario to determine whether this is actually a scam or not, using basic human behaviour as described earlier that makes a payout entirely plausible, but there certainly seems to be a problem with the banking solution, so I hope this can be solved soon?!

    No use to hack on negative stuff, it is only destructive, very sick indeed from one particular post!

    Comment by extan — 23rd March 2008 @ 9:56 pm

  522. Extan’

    Teamthemco are not bothered at all, they are in on it! have you not noticed the lack of anything lately on there blog? No questions? Nothing! Did you read the reply i had from them in a previous post? It made no sense at all. And as mike said, if they do not have a bank, where are the millions of our money at the moment? Have you had a reply from gpp yet? I have not.

    Comment by Blade68 — 23rd March 2008 @ 11:07 pm

  523. Extan,
    Get real. How about this for a deduction. The sun rises and sets each day. I therefore can deduce that it will happen tomorrow. Yes how is that for a proper deduction. It will happen tomorrow, not next month, then the next.

    Tell you what, why don’t you tell me that their very own statements don’t in effect incriminate them… THEIR OWN WORDS.

    Let me ask, you think that charity is valid? Would you contribute?

    Let me put it like this. I would not like to see any others get scammed. Based on what you have seen, do you think that it is a good idea to invest again?

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 23rd March 2008 @ 11:26 pm

  524. Extan,

    Could it be that Mike Check is hitting a chord on you that is why the inner frustration and angst are coming off the surface? You’re trying to claim you’re not a part of the game, but subconsciously defending them? Mike’s letter,whether long or short should not illicit that kind of denial unless you’re being affected? Human nature is pretty transparent and if you have any conscience left in you, please enough with the lies. I want my money back plus interest!!!

    Comment by Kitz — 24th March 2008 @ 1:36 am

  525. Some interesting posts since I last visited. Was wondering extan, if you were a part of wealthcreationclub.com? If anyone wants to take a trip down memory lane, go to http://www.wealthcreationclub.com. This was set up in 2005, but the links to gpp do not work. This was the initial link for gpp, but they had to change it due to DDOS attacks, or so they claimed. Still it is an interesting read. Wonder just how many joined this club? Kind of like TeamThemco. Wonder which one had the most members?

    Comment by EagleOne — 24th March 2008 @ 5:28 am

  526. Kitz you are talking utter rubbish and Angst wird gross geschrieben, guess you are a Mike-scam-scam-scam-Check fan? Good for you! I should not react to your stuff, people here know that I’m not part of GPP, but we know a lot of people all ower the world and I had a good education in various directions. In think EagleOne tends to talk sense, there are a few others, unfortunately the rest are just bubbling rubbish that leads to absolutely nowhere!! Elephantendreck!

    By the way, not part of any scheme, just investing in the stock exchange, not much going on at the moment, probably because of G. W. Bush?

    Comment by extan — 24th March 2008 @ 9:34 am

  527. i have sat and watched this blog and read it with some amusement,i am with extan on this,you all say lets go get em,why not let it run its course,if nothing happens then go get em. no point in trying to stir up a hornets nest,
    if it is a scam not much can be done now,dont stir it just be patient!

    Comment by jacko — 24th March 2008 @ 11:13 am

  528. So, jacko, how do you know when it’s over?

    Comment by zippy — 24th March 2008 @ 1:49 pm

  529. Extan,
    You keep saying things, and not providing info. You keep talking about your education in many things, your research on GPP, and pretty much show nothing. No, you do not have to prove nothing to me, but if you are going to let us know of these great accomplishments…then let us know!

    If you are not a part of GPP, are you at least invested as others here?

    Jacko,
    You are right, there is nothing that we can do about the monies already provided (I would like to hope that there is something that we could do about it), but that is not the point. The point is to prevent others from falling prey to this scam. As we all see, this scam is going to continue on and on, and on! There will be no close.

    Jacko, I’m wondering, were you making a joke about just being patient? If you were then I’m laughing along with you on that one. If not….

    I’m just waiting to see when this solution occurs… I mean the nextextension of the pay date. I’ll bet that this will be another good excuse!

    Oh yea, Extan, if this is not a scam then where is the money? In GPP’s pocket? Funny that the location of this cash is never discussed. Funny that there is no solution, and funny that GPP does not see a solution anytime in the future.

    By the way let me just say…. SCAM, SCAM, SCAM.SCAM!

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 24th March 2008 @ 1:59 pm

  530. am getting bored by this now!

    Comment by jacko — 24th March 2008 @ 4:32 pm

  531. Jacko,
    What would you suggest?

    Extan,
    Heard anything from TeamThemco of substance?

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 24th March 2008 @ 7:59 pm

  532. Yes Jako, I’m also getting bored to death with Mike-the-Scam-Checker and all the other negative nerds, can they really stop other people to invest in this potentially wonderful opportunity, or are they just jealous or simply trouble makers? No idea what I should explain to MC because I’m not an information desk. In any case if they cannot understand the most simple logic about human behaviour, or are just downright difficult, then nobody can ever help them! GPP will pay out, but they should hurry up and communicate with us!!!!

    Comment by ExTaN — 24th March 2008 @ 8:42 pm

  533. Extan,
    Im not sure who your “other negative nerds” was aimed at, but you constantly imply that you know things, but you never give any proof of how you have made these assumptions, we are getting tired of asking you and getting no response. You are also regularly quite rude about people on here. I also don’t know why you feel the need to tell us all about your degree of education, which does not seem to be backed up by your posts.
    As i have said before, i have got policies with gpp and would like to see them pay out. But we have had nothing positive from them at all. Anyone with average intelligence must now realise that something is wrong.
    Over to you Extan.

    Comment by Blade68 — 24th March 2008 @ 9:15 pm

  534. Hmmm… Seems to me that I would have no need to be jealous as there is a continually open oportunity for me to throw my money away… I mean, buy another contract…

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 24th March 2008 @ 9:36 pm

  535. Just an observation. There is a big difference between receiving an education and being educated. Henry Ford was an educated man, but had no education. I know many people who have received an education, but don’t have the common sense to come in out of the rain. I have also learned over the years usually when someone has to continuously tell someone about their accomplishments, they have an inner feeling of inadequacy or rejection. It is like the old saying, “no-one cares how much you know until they know how much you care.” I for one would prefer to see more “information” than how educated one claims to be.

    This notion that some people know more than others, but can’t divulge the information, is nothing more than a smoke screen. If you want to believe this is real, then by all means buy all the additional policies you can. Those of us who aren’t buying any of the hype around this program aren’t being hurt when you do. You are only hurting yourself. I always have lived by the motto when someone wants to act like a fool, get out of the way and let them do it.

    Those of us who do not believe GPP is real, were only trying to keep others from joining or buying additional policies; not those of you who are already members. Forewarned is better than being forlorn.

    Comment by EagleOne — 24th March 2008 @ 10:08 pm

  536. Eagle,
    That was so well said that I must make note…
    When someone must pump themself up, you are right, then there is an inadequacy. I have seen before the same thing. Untruths begin to build, and build and build.

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 25th March 2008 @ 2:03 am

  537. Extan,

    And since becoming part of this group, I’ve never read any post of yours that made sense. All I can deduce from your posts is that either you’re sent here by GPP to stir up something or you’re a leech. More of a leech I must say. It could be that innate hope that maybe GPP will suddenly pay you to show us skeptics that yes, they do pay!!!! Well, good luck, Meister!

    Comment by Kitz — 25th March 2008 @ 3:12 am

  538. Whilst I don’t believe Mr. Gilder’s TeamThemco to be GPP, they are certainly setting themselves up to be the only contact.
    According to their latest ‘blog,’ Stella has responded ’emotionally(!)’ to the appeal for funds towards the Friends of Stella’s Charity Fund which in turn appears to be linked with the mysterious Bread for Kids, whose UK representative is Mr. Paul Healy. On the Bread for Kids website they list the approved sponsors of their scheme – but, in spite of a warning that these are the only approved sponsors and a request that anyone else displaying their logo shall be reported, Mr. Healy seems to have been remiss in his duties since GPP is not listed.
    TeamThemco have their headquarters in a delightfully bucolic rural setting in the environs of London. And their telephone number is linked to a property development company.
    So at any rate, they will be contactable should GPP disappear over the horizon.

    Comment by Owen Platt — 25th March 2008 @ 7:41 am

  539. Hi Owen, exactly what I tried to say, GPP will not dissappear because the likes of Themco and many others could help Interpol to catch them and the world is too small to hide!

    Is this useful info, surely not because it is positive?????? !!

    Blade and others, just what info are you exactly wanting from me, or what proof do I have to give, the only information I have was usually placed into a typical lecture mode, so if anyone cannot snap the basic info/truth about things so be it! I have already given up to try to let anybody understand, because nothing seems to sink in!

    And EagleOne does not like to be placed on a little throne 🙂 . You also said: “I have also learned over the years usually when someone has to continuously tell someone about their accomplishments, they have an inner feeling of inadequacy or rejection.” You are so right… but actually I have made my mark over and over, almost to exhaustion, and surely one does not get popular that way, because that hurts inadequate persons, because they think you tread on their toes, actually there is a place for everyone! One can find my accomlishments on the internet, being quoted all over in scientific publications, etc., so nothing to hide, innovative patents developed on the run (a family trait, you may be a good business men, I’m not), so here I’m bragging again full of inadequacy and being rejected just in the stupid UK buzz, simply because I’m positive and critical of non-sense posts?

    And Kitz, are you from Israel and do not like the bloody Germans or what is your problem, poor chap indeed, put on your dipers and hold tight and get positive and contribute some hope for us mankind!

    Comment by extan — 25th March 2008 @ 10:32 am

  540. But Extan, because TeamThemco claim to have heard from the enigmatic and presently tongue-tied Stella, it doesn’t mean they know any more about them than you or I.
    However in promoting their phony charity, they will be putting themselves certainly within the purview of the fraud Department of the City of London Police.

    Comment by Owen Platt — 25th March 2008 @ 12:02 pm

  541. well everyone is waiting for Stella and Co to get their tongue untied and to tell us what is happening to our money i.e. the bank solution, I guess they have run against the big banks through which they have to go through!? We could supply those bank managers with chocolate and dried meat(biltong) and a rugby ball to make them happy, in our country it would work :-).

    Comment by extan — 25th March 2008 @ 1:51 pm

  542. There is never any problem with banks for legitimate enterprises.

    Comment by Owen Platt — 25th March 2008 @ 2:12 pm

  543. maybe for some enterprises that have too much money that were generated through legal but unconventional (innovative) methods, greed and jealousy tend to creep in everywhere and G.W.Bush sees a terrorist behind every tree!

    Comment by extan — 25th March 2008 @ 2:31 pm

  544. Where would greed and jealousy enter in to it? When I was in banking, we would welcome any legitimate client with open arms – it’s how banks make money! And George Bush does not run nor even influence the international banking community.
    There are no ‘unconventional or innovative’ methods in finance.

    Comment by Owen Platt — 25th March 2008 @ 3:15 pm

  545. G.W Bush and consorts manufactured 9-11 to control the financial world like never before, maybe you forgot that every transaction above a certain amount is now checked for so called money laundering, that’s where GPP comes in (handling lots of money), a so called “small fish” with lots of money and obviously the banks can abuse their power like the police does, sure you will also disagree that even a Fiedel Castro would kill a person that dared to disagree with him?

    Have a good day!!

    Comment by extan — 25th March 2008 @ 3:26 pm

  546. Ah Ha – the dreaded conspiracy theory. Always surfaces when scams implode.
    But if the GPP funds are not illegal nor is there any involvement in money laundering, why would a bank not accept them? They are fully entitled to.
    And before you even mention it, I was in international banking after 9/11.
    Talking of wacko conspiracy theories, how’s Nesara doing nowadays?

    Comment by Owen Platt — 25th March 2008 @ 3:35 pm

  547. I’ll tell you one thing, if this business (I mean SCAM) has these Billions on hand, why do they even need a bank. Surely, they could almost act as one themselves.

    Please do not insult our intelligence by saying something about jealousy withthese financial activities. That is nothing more than rediculous. If that were the case, other major banks would be “jealous” of the other then the financial structure would fall. But note, it HASN’T!

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 25th March 2008 @ 4:46 pm

  548. extan: Let me be blunt. You totally missed the points I was making. What you don’t get is we got it the first time you told us about your “education.” You seem to think that just because you received an education, which I applaud you for, therefore makes anything you say indisputable and correct. You also have the misconception that “education” equals “educated.” We are all to just accept what you say as being true solely based on your “education.” That is the impression you give with your posts.

    I have learned in life that the more “education” one receives, the more gullible they become and reluctant or embarrassed to admit it. Their “ego” gets in the way of any common sense or logical thought.

    By your own admission you state you are not a good business man. Correct me if I am wrong, but GPP is a business is it not? If you are not a good business man, then on what grounds does your comments have any more validity than anyone else’s? In fact, one could very easily argue you have no valid points to make at all due to your ineptness in business.

    I have friends who have more degrees, titles, certifications than most people would ever dream of or wish having. Yet, these same people cannot balance a checkbook, tie their shoes (literally) and barely function in “life.” However, they are a genius in their field, and are so recognized. They do not run around telling everyone over and over how many degrees they have, etc., etc.. There is a difference between talking the talk and walking the walk. Remember: Your talk walks, and your walk talks; but your walk talks further than your talk walks.

    Comment by EagleOne — 25th March 2008 @ 5:45 pm

  549. Mike – even with billions to hand,they would still need a banking licence. And money alone does not get you one (whatever the adverts in the offshore magazines tell you).
    And details of bank licences are published – along with audited balance sheets and details of directors and shareholders.
    ‘Stella’ and a Googlemail address won’t be quite enough, I’m afraid.

    Comment by Owen Platt — 25th March 2008 @ 5:48 pm

  550. Ok Owen, maybe you agree that the “bank world” changed dramatically after 9-11?! So why did it, because Osama said so?

    And EagleOne, you got so worked up that you spend so much time to try to put me down? Be glad that I’m so honest about my not so good natural business TALENT, all I need to do is to invest properly and in the last 15 years I always hit the nail on it’s head, often made 50% gain per annum, but I would prob. not start my own business, my son did (superb TALENT from his mother). But wait until GPP pays out 🙂

    Mike you are in dreamland, no clue how corrupt humans and banks can be! Usually inside jobs… Owen, maybe you were too honest?

    Now to really eat your hearts out, Stella contacted some members about the lost applications from December and said that they were fixed up as can be verified in their profiles. Did she imply by that action that she is about to run away???

    Surely you will now explain a negative version of what she is up to, true to your absolutely hopeless characters, scam scam scam(I have heard better descriptions about these types)!

    Comment by eXtAn — 25th March 2008 @ 6:27 pm

  551. Owen,

    Indeed. Yes, I can see that banking licence is needed. I’m going to be one to admit that I know little about banking. The point that I wanted to make however, is that with these supposed Billions, GPP should be able, to have established some kind of banking resolution. With billions couldn’t you obtain such a license… Someone I’d suspect, could do so. — On that same note, I’d find it to be very suspicious that a creditable bank would not accept these funds! Can you immagine the interest per day that a bank could make! —So again I ask… WHERE ARE THE FUNDS!!!??! Are these billions hiding under a mat?
    IF A BANK WONT ACCEPT THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE WHERE ARE THEY STORED?
    HOW CAN THESE BILLIONS EVEN BE SUBSTANCIATED!!

    I can just say that I have Trillions of dollars. That means nothing to people who have entrusted their money to you.

    I see it like this:
    1) That money does not exist in the first place
    2) Surely, a smaller amount exists, but these Millions are surely distributed to the players, and parties of GPP.

    This nonsense about some kind of solution is crazy. Why should this have taken so long? Why would they even consider saying something about the solution not being completed soon? Well, they did say it. I’m disturbed that such a company can continue to exist. Only taking in funds and showing no info or way that their scheme can come to actualization!

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 25th March 2008 @ 6:57 pm

  552. As, on their own (or Stella’s) admission, the hold up with GPP is the lack of a ‘banking solution’ perhaps it is time to put to rest the stupid canards often postulated concerning banks and banking.
    GPP state that the problem is that the regulations have changed. But they haven’t in the past few years been amended significantly.
    9/11, that wonderful excuse, had no effect on international banking procedures. The equally often used excuse of the Patriot Act related only to banks with correspondent accounts in the US and, in any case, only beefed up the precautions already being undertaken by major banks world wide to combat money laundering.
    International banks are not regulated, as some seem to think, by the United States government but by two international consortiums, the OECD and the FATF whose headquarters are not in Washington DC but in Paris, France.
    Those who believe that governments and the banks are out to get the ‘little man’ are also those who believe that 30 euros will transmute base metal into the gold of 55,000!

    Comment by Owen Platt — 25th March 2008 @ 7:36 pm

  553. Extan,

    Ok, so you’ve just told me that your family has a great business talent for making money, and that GPP will payout.

    Well now, did I ever tell you that I made Billions last year on investments that paid over 1000%? Did I also tell you of my 5 Doctorates in various fields? Did I ever tell you that Jr. is also a financial genius that has done the same, and is now too, a Billionaire?
    This paragraph contains a lot of words that spell out scentences that mean NOTHING to us. Thanks for telling us this information that we have no idea about… Much like GPP. What does that tell me though.

    Let’s go on the primise that banks are corrupt. They still have someone that they must answer to. Who does GPP answer to? Let’s put it like this… If I had $1000.00 to HOLD… Not even to invest, just hold, would I:
    1) Put it in a “corrupt” bank insuring my money
    2) Hold it in one of GPP’s internet banks?

    Hmmm, let me see. Let me weigh the possibilities…
    1) I know where my bank is located, so I know where I can find the $.
    2) I have no information (discounting that what must be dug for) of the location of these internet banks GPP uses.

    1) I can easily withdraw any money that I have placed into a real bank.
    2) I cannot easily withdraw money from one og GPP’s internet banks… INFACT, YOU CANNOT WITHDRAW MONEY AT ALL FROM ONE OF THESE BANKS!!! Try it if you don’t believe me!

    1) A real bank has Absolutly no concern with jealousy of anyone! The bank is a business, not some jealous individual who wants what the joneses have.
    2) GPP’s banks – Supposedly have to worry about entites who want to bring down their system. Gost in the machine huh? Wach out for DDS attacks! Tells me that they have a substandard website. Just a minute, I’m getting GPP confused with the internet bank… Does not matter, they are both on and of like a stoplight.

    My goodness the list goes on and on… NOW WHO WOULD YOU CHOOSE!

    You still think that I have no grounds to call this a SCAM?

    Tell you what,
    Since you are not going to address any othe the questions posed, why don’t you tell us of this research that you did. BETTER yet, link us to your books, or articles or even allow us to see these papers that you speak of, unless this too references the mere words in a scentence.

    You know I’m wrong if I sound to be attacking you. It is as it is however. If you have ties to any related to GPP, why don’t you let us members know something, other than telling us info of absolutely no benefit…

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 25th March 2008 @ 7:49 pm

  554. To gain a better insight as far as whom you’re dealing with here in the case of both GPP and Themco, it might be enlightening to take a look at the only other program Themco is promoting – FXClub.info. Which BTW separately from GPP “Stella” also promoted at one point.

    FXClub.info was a low-fee, high pay-out advance-fee membership, MLM-based scam similar in design to GPP. It’s linked to many of the same Scandanavian-based individuals that also appear to be assoicated with GPP and HCI25. In particular, Hatfield Oaks which is directly associated with Frode Jorgenson/PlexPay, and with Tom Sornes/SNGInvest.com and some others going back to the old PIPS scam days. Google any of the above names and you’ll have a much more clear picture of the backgrounds of the kinds of people who now also are promoting GPP and HCI25.

    Comment by JH — 25th March 2008 @ 8:40 pm

  555. extan: Thanks for proving my points. I couldn’t have done it better myself. What is tragic is you still don’t get what I was saying, and this from a man who loves to remind everyone of his education.

    But you left out of your bank’s conspiracy theory the rich don’t want the little guy to succeed. They want to keep him poor so they can control him. It is all part of the conspiracy theory. I’m just surprised that a man of your education level, investment acumen, and talent would have left it out. Which raises another question. If you are so well versed in investments, making these wonderful returns, a man with your self-professed talents, education, etc. then why would you even think of joining GPP?

    Comment by EagleOne — 25th March 2008 @ 8:52 pm

  556. My friends,

    I can’t believe that I did not notice this earlier! What I have realized is something showing me that GPP is VERY suspect. Not truly directly related to GPP, but I think that it is. No, it is.
    If not for anything else, I’ll just say that I’ve noticed a patern.

    I’ll return on this subject.

    Everyone, stop people from entering into this scam.

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 26th March 2008 @ 3:35 am

  557. The ‘pattern’ you may have noticed is that almost all of these internet scams rely upon the gullibility and lack of knowledge of the victims. There is nothing new,innovative or even smart about GPP or any of its sister scams that relies for its success on kidding the public that they, the promoters, have this inside track on generating unrealistic returns.
    Perhaps the only clever thing about this particular scam is that, by setting the investment bar low at 30 euros, they would deflect any serious consequences arising when the project failed to pay out, an eventuality which they already had made provision for in their original offering.
    That people, for greed or whatever reason, prefer to take the word of anonymous websites as opposed to financial professionals is the stuff that keeps the scamsters rolling merrily along.
    CNBC tonight airs a programme, American Greed, one of the segments of which concerns the fraudulent Grenada bank, FIBG, which was the subject of my book, One Big Fib.
    Worth watching for those that believe in financial miracles

    Comment by Owen Platt — 26th March 2008 @ 8:09 am

  558. EagleOne, very easy to understand what you said, Mike Scam did not understand that I was just trying to correct some wrong info you tried to imply and I did not address him at all.

    About the rich and poor, the rich get perks, freebees, discounts, etc. and the poor have to pay all the junk, also bank fees, hire purchase costs, etc! So, do you get the hint, just telling this to show that the banks are owning/controlling the poor.

    Owen you contradict yourself, of course the banks have changed, e.g. it used to be easy to transfer exchange money, fortunately the credit card can still be used. About the conspiracy, why do you think was the Euro created and now for the Mexicans to join the USA and also consolidating Africa, Asia, etc, then everything is much easier to CONTROL?! A 60 year plan in the making!

    Good luck with your negative ramblings!
    Take Care

    Mike your 552, my girlfriend had such a good laugh, what more do I need to say, so much fury?

    Comment by extan — 26th March 2008 @ 8:55 am

  559. Hi extan,

    Where are we on the Kubler-Ross scale? Still in stage one(denial), I see 🙂
    Ever occured to you that maybe “stella” might be going through all the trouble, just because GPP is a scam. It’s not easy business to get 100000 people into believing in fairy tales. My hat off to “stella”. Of course if Extan is able to provide proof about GPP being able to deliver, I’m willing to join.
    Some african prince contacted me by email and promised huge money, but I have to pay some fees naturally in order to recieve millions of dollars.
    I mean, why would african prince lie to me just to get my money… 😉
    So, I could buy GPP insurances, lets say, 2000 pieces, with money that is coming to me in near future…

    Comment by Rokka — 26th March 2008 @ 10:29 am

  560. Hi Rokka,

    good to see some smileys, me still in denial? Just boring at my work, going down the hill… 3rd or 5th world stuff, oh well actually I noticed that you did not read my previous posts, don’t have to, but the only proof that GPP will pay is e.g. that her last action to phone some members (friendly) and replacing lost memberships out of her pocket to activate their additional memberships. Now you (and in particular Mike Scam) would say “well she will steal that money in any case and then run away”…

    Does not make sense in my book, many of her actions (excluding the unprof stuff) show her to be predictable in a crude way, maybe a even bit of a world healer, just watch out 🙂 i.e. surely not the running type!

    Comment by extan — 26th March 2008 @ 12:10 pm

  561. Kubler-Ross scale: see Rokka…

    Denial: “It can’t be happening.” All the scammers!!!
    Anger: “Why me? It’s not fair.” Everone against Extan huhhhhuu
    Bargaining: “Just let me live to see my children graduate.”
    Depression: “I’m so sad, why bother with anything?”
    Acceptance: “It’s going to be OK.” GPP will pay out on 1st April 🙂

    Comment by extan — 26th March 2008 @ 12:36 pm

  562. Awww poor Extan,
    We feel sorry for your pain. This pain should be directed towards the people who have had their money stolen

    Let me ask, what do you have against rich people. Seeminly to me, that you want to be one. In fact, In accordance with previous postings you are rich due to your 50% yearly returns. Probably able to do this with your “great education”. Your words do not prove anything to me. I’ve heard nothing relating to any financial calculations, or other wording. Owen has presented valid info with backing. I haven’t heard anything as such from you.

    Extan, I’m so happy that you and your girlfriend had such a good “nervous” laugh at what I said in post 552! Why don’t you complete this laugh by telling me that everything I said in the #2 statements were wrong.

    Please explain to everyone your amusement and discredit what I said. Tell us all of how funny my statemnts were. Share you amusement!

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 26th March 2008 @ 3:28 pm

  563. Owen:

    Link to the CNBC feature that you referenced:

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/23240841/site/14081545/

    Comment by JH — 26th March 2008 @ 10:12 pm

  564. Wow… Now I’m already going to watch this but it is also amazing at how much info I’ve found on these same type of schemes!

    MAN! Anything for a dollar! As the song goes, “Cash rules everything around us!

    This is shanefull. Everyone, if you have the opportunity to see this watch it!!! This I’m sure will enlighten us all.

    Extan, I’d suggest that you also see this. I’m curious as to your take on this.

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 27th March 2008 @ 12:26 am

  565. Great show! How can anyone now believe that GPP is not a scam anymore! If you missed it, reffer to post 562 for the link!

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 27th March 2008 @ 4:15 am

  566. Hard work gets you know where in this world.

    Lying and cheating people out of their hard worked money does.

    but some how it always comes to light in the end.

    GPP will get caught! 99,998 people will be looking for them…Extan and JH will sit waiting for their payouts…or in their case pay off..

    bahahahahahahaha

    Comment by busting gut — 27th March 2008 @ 6:24 am

  567. Hello Extan,

    I admit, I might have been wrong. You might be on fifth stage already (GPP will pay out 1.4).Why am I not surprised that payout date happens to be aprils fool day 🙂
    2.4 we can change the kubler-ross model to kubler-ross-extan model: stage 6. dissappointment, stage 7. denial. etc.
    But I totally understand you, why rely on facts(or lackthereof) when you can just have faith. Ever wonder why this “stella pohjola”, who is supposedly running GPP, is not known here in Finland at all?
    If she’s such a financial mastermind, who is able to run a multibillion insurance business, someone in here in a small country like Finland would have heard of her.
    OR is she keeping her self low profile, because people are envious and jealous. Something along the line of this answer I’m waiting from you, Extan ; )
    Remember, pessimist never gets dissapointed…

    Comment by Rokka — 27th March 2008 @ 7:49 am

  568. Sure I had a look at those con men, funny some people look so tame and can be so clever, just take Nigeria, perfect brains for scams.

    Rokka, April 1 fools day payout was just a joke as it should be!

    About Stella and Co, not easy to guess their next move, much too quiet at the moment, I can only judge what they had done until now, I mean human behaviour and at the moment it looks that Stella only selectively contacts certain members whenever needed, but it looks positive!

    About this blog, most friends we know are disgusted at what is published here, nothing constructive, just pulling everything into the ground, so I have to adjust to this situation, maybe just stop to post anything, thought it was fun and to keep busy!

    Comment by extan — 27th March 2008 @ 9:10 am

  569. BG: I hate to be the one to tell you this, but JH is not a GPP supporter. Far from it.

    Comment by EagleOne — 27th March 2008 @ 9:20 am

  570. extan, I would not be surprised to see you stop posting. You aren’t the first that has done so. Seems the more the heat is turned up on this scam, the harder it is to defend it with nothing but “positive thinking,” so you bail.

    By the way, did you see where David Shirmer, the guy who promoted the law of positive attraction, had to appear before the Federal Courts in Australia? Now I wonder how a person who lived by this law of positive attraction could have encountered this law of negative attraction? I thought that was impossible, or so those who believe in the “Secret’s” claim. It must be a conspiracy by those banks….wait, David is one of the rich people, so therefore it can’t be a bank conspiracy. Hmmm, now I am confused as to what caused all of this. Maybe you can shed some light on this for me before you stop posting since you believe in the law of positive attraction. I look forward to your assistance.

    Comment by EagleOne — 27th March 2008 @ 9:30 am

  571. no idea about David, not my brother 🙂

    Comment by extan — 27th March 2008 @ 9:51 am

  572. no bail out, lots of positive things to talk about, just getting sick when nobody appears to have brains to understand the most simple facts

    Comment by extan — 27th March 2008 @ 9:55 am

  573. Extan, I got that april fools day being the payout day was a joke, as is GPP.
    You keep referring to human behaviour, why is that? If anything, human behaviour explains axactly why these kind of get-rich-quick schemes work. There are and always will be people who are greedy and/or simple, and there are people(scammers) who take advantage of these people.
    And I didn’t get an answer to my question about stella. So, let me repeat it: Why is stella, as a person running a multibillion business, unheard of here in Finland? With this kind of incredible plan, one would think that her name would all over finnish financial magazines, wouldn’t you agree. Now only finnish info on the internet you find about Stella, leads to forums where GPP is the subject.
    And about Stella contacting some members, my guess is that stella is contacting members with biggest downlines to calm people down. That way she can keep stalling and buying time. And when you say, “why would stella go through the trouble just to take our money?”
    Well, hate to break it to you, but that’s exactly why she did it. I mean, we’re talking about millions…

    Comment by Rokka — 27th March 2008 @ 10:06 am

  574. The assumption has been Stella is a woman, but it is based solely on the name. No proof Stella is a she, but is a she in name only. Now wouldn’t it be interesting to find out that Stella is a man.

    Now what is even more interesting is that people will believe that the banks conspire against the little guy, but they have a real address, phone number, real people’s names available to anyone, E-mail addresses that don’t use free E-mail services, and a whole host of other identifiable and verifiable contact information but scam the little guy; but will believe in a person who only has one name, uses a free E-mail service, no contact information of any kind, the trust is unknown, and none of their contact information is known, and the insurance company and lending institution also are total unknowns, but are only helping the little guy. Talk about the human psyche.

    Comment by EagleOne — 27th March 2008 @ 10:46 am

  575. Rokka, i wouldn’t hold your breath for an answer from extan, he hasn’t answered a single question of relevance yet!

    EXTAN, you keep on about people having no brains to understand. I believe you have the brain of a ten year old, and a slow one at that!
    Blind faith is the only thing you have going. “it looks positive” your quote! explain to us how it looks positive?
    And no more of your educated looking down your nose at us brainless mortals please.

    Comment by Blade68 — 27th March 2008 @ 12:24 pm

  576. If you go into a chat room, some people may try to fool you but it is quite easy to figure out who is a man or a women, just use your 6th sense if you got one, (discounting drag queens, “moffies”, etc,) they generally talk about different things, so Stella is surely not a man, she “talks” like a women, we could find out from a guy that she phoned, unless she used a voice converter :-). “Mine rakastan sinua”, “ich liebe Dich” my girlfriend (Rokka, how is my spelling?)! No idea how Finnish she is, haven’t met her, she did not take up our invitation to come stay with us and bring all the money… We could send you a few cents once we have bought an aircraft etc!

    Comment by extan — 27th March 2008 @ 12:51 pm

  577. oh blade, please calm down and I’m not an answering machine!
    Have a happy negative day…

    Comment by extan — 27th March 2008 @ 12:54 pm

  578. Blade it looks positive when they will soon pay out I expect some news from Stella and Co, wish us luck! Am I slow enough?

    Comment by extan — 27th March 2008 @ 1:01 pm

  579. poor stelliar working so hard… please help her

    admin

    Posts: 76

    Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 10:27 pm Post subject: Refunds – December 2007

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    Dear Members,

    If you haven’t got the refund for a failed sign up or additional policy purchase happened in December 2007, please email me:

    – payment processor: E-bullion, C-Gold or Liberty Reserve
    – transaction ID
    – transaction value
    – number of sign ups or additional policies you were about to process
    – transaction date
    – your Liberty Reserve or C-Gold account number for a refund (no E-Bullion) OR in case of failed additional policy purchase, the username the policies were for

    The email address for the information is:

    global.refund.december@googlemail.com

    Please provide complete information right away to save my time and efforts!

    Don’t send me attachments, please!

    I will not confirm the refund or the addition of the policies, so please check your account or profile to keep yourself updated!

    Once the few pending refunds from December 2007 have been processed, I will give you the instructions for January 2008 refund requests.

    Thank you for your cooperation!

    Regards,
    Stella

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    Provide the requested information only, please! Do not tell me stories, as it’s too time-consuming reading them and trying to find the information I need.

    Keep it simple!

    Thank you!

    Regards,
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    Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 12:40 pm Post subject:

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    Please understand, that these refunds are for failed sign ups or additional policy purchases only!

    If someone has decided to leave the program, I will not refund the membership fee.

    Please read carefully before sending the request!

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    Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 12:51 pm Post subject:

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    To make this work, please provide the complete information I have requested. I can’t email back to you every time some info is missing. If you want to get the refund, send me the data I need. Otherwise you won’t be refunded nor will the additional policies be credited onto your account.

    Reduce my workload a bit please, don’t increase it!

    Thank you!

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    Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:44 pm Post subject: Deadline

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    Dear Members,

    I’ve set a deadline to claim the refunds for failed sign ups and failed additional policy purchases occured on December 2007, and it is:

    31st of March 2008

    Check your records and if needed, request your refund no later than the end of this month.

    Thank you!

    Regards,
    Stella

    Comment by busting gut — 27th March 2008 @ 2:45 pm

  580. So the Dec. refund gets stopped at 31.March 2008 then Arpril looks ok for my birthday present from GPP 🙂 ? Mike what do you think, will they run?

    Comment by extan — 27th March 2008 @ 3:11 pm

  581. Extan.
    What kind of an answer is that? Blind faith again!
    “it looks positive when they will soon pay out I expect some news from Stella and Co,”

    I have policies to sell at £30 each, i promise to pay out, Extan how many do you want?

    Also got magic beans £5 each, a magic lamp for £50 etc etc etc.

    Comment by Blade68 — 27th March 2008 @ 9:24 pm

  582. I guess GPP will pay out in April, if not then you NEGS have won, else the dogs will p on your legs!

    Blade68, sorry I have nothing to do with you, I owe you absolutely bogorol niks fokol nothing, I don’t like humming s..t flies around my head, no need to answer anything to you because I am not GPP, and if you can’t stand someone to be positive, then once again please drown in your negativity!!!!

    Rokka, you see denial phase has just ended, now comes the angry stuff, I’m figuratively loading my 8mm Sport Mauser, practiced in Namibia on the farm as a kid, lovely life, shot my first Kudu at age 13 accidentaly from 100m with a .22 rifle, bragging again :-). Well, we had meat for the month, so no waste.

    Have a good night!

    Comment by extan — 27th March 2008 @ 10:03 pm

  583. Extan,
    Grow up, learn the english language if you are going to try and speak it. You don’t seem to have any grasp on reality.
    Braggers are more often than not, liars.

    Comment by Blade68 — 28th March 2008 @ 12:21 am

  584. My friends,

    Allow me to mention the pattern that I was referencing. Owen, yes that pattern fo the various scams was noted. In fact, the review of other sites after watching that show on CNBC, allowed me to see them even clearer.

    What I wanted to note is something about your buddy ExTan,extan, or EXTAN. Have you all noticed this? I was curious at first about this “guy”. I thought that perhaps I could have been wrong, so I reviewed his comments. When I went through past posts and realixed that I could identify each based on their wording, I knew that I was right! Everyone, this is THREE different people!!! We are being played!

    No wonder that even after this enlightnibg program do “THEY” seemingly remain positive! There is now no reason to believe that there will be a payout! These guys are living the life somewhere…

    These guys are probably rolling around in their Bentley, living the life! After all who really can be that dense! Guess that they think that we are. Tell you what, If I can get access to other blogs, I’m going to release!

    Sorry Extan’s Your covers have been blown!

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 28th March 2008 @ 3:31 am

  585. blade68, when I was 24 I already looked full time after kids aged 10 and 11, instant family, so if I have to grow up to learn English or if you think I’m lying, then I’m sorry for your incredible sick mind, first show me where I did go wrong (English)or can’t you understand fokol (we have a wine here with that name, it means NOTHING! Not all words were in English. Do you understan F O ? Please do and mind your own business!

    Comment by extan — 28th March 2008 @ 7:58 am

  586. I feel sorry to see this former profound blog reducing itself to a personal feud between a few people here. I would be grateful to see you return to sophistication and a respectful behaviour amongst each other. It surely would improve the quality of this blog. Thanks.

    Comment by snartmor — 28th March 2008 @ 8:24 am

  587. Snartmor – unfortunately, that always seems to be the trend on these forums after a while. When I was researching for my book on the Pips fiasco, I resorted to the forums for information.
    Some of the personal attacks on my postings were frankly actionable.

    Comment by Owen Platt — 28th March 2008 @ 9:17 am

  588. Yes it is a very sorry state, I noted Jako and others moved out quickly, many others just observe this blog in disgust, because they also noted that the negative scam lovers attack the positive guys/gals turning facts around and seeming to understand no plain logic. It is not a healthy situation, it is more akin to a fanatic scam scam sickness! It is utterly destructive, nothing good can come from this. No scientific type of reasoning can be handled on this blog.

    Take care!

    Comment by EXTAN — 28th March 2008 @ 11:57 am

  589. am still here,reading and watching,not much to say really,
    just waiting for the payout.still being positive!

    Comment by jacko — 28th March 2008 @ 12:45 pm

  590. good to see a “Positive”, I think after 31 March when the refunds stop, then GPP must (will) surely get moving, my “offshore” bank account with a VERY BIG bank is ready and waiting. Tomorrow, voting in Zimbabwe, wonder how many extra ballot papers were printed for Mugabe to be counted instead of the real papers, that is Africa!

    Comment by EXTAN — 28th March 2008 @ 1:05 pm

  591. Extan,
    it is you that is being rude about so many people, i dont see many other posts with the swearing you post.
    After having it mentioned by several people, you still feel the need to brag and boast. By the way, a .22 rifle would barely kill a rabbit at 50 meters. I grew up with guns, you have to have a lot of knowledge to be a good liar.
    When i was 20 i had 2 kids of my own, so what?
    You do not have a very good memory either, i am not a negative scam lover, as in my previous posts, i hope it does pay out, but the signs and proof show that it won’t.
    Extan, lighten up and get a sense of humour.

    Comment by Blade68 — 28th March 2008 @ 1:47 pm

  592. extan,
    Please let us all know of this non-scientific information that has been spoken of. At the same time, WHAT FACTS are you speaking of? Is there really any info of value that you or stella’s have provided? You are supposedly close to, or know all of them. — Would you have an idea. I ask this quite seriously.

    EXTAN,
    You are moving “your” offshore account or GPP is moving ours? I’m not quite sure what you are saying. Would you mind sharing your banks name, unless other banks will get jealous?

    All
    I’d like to ask something. Is anyone referring to me as placing personal attacks?

    I’m hoping is that you are not seeing the info that I mentioned in post 583 as a personal attack. This fact can be found in the blog!
    I will say that I am suspect. That is however, an opinion.

    Lets review something of value to our money:
    We are to begin our next monthly stent of waiting for the payout? Yes, it looks that way.
    On another note, this refund should be provided just when? Oh yes, of course by 3/31. So, who’s received their refund??? Dare I say that NO ONE has? Sounds like a ploy to me!

    A question of value I’d ask. WHY should anyone be concerned with a refund when we should not have a reason to ask for one. The money should have been provided last year! There should be no reason to ask for such. If the program was closed, the monies should be ready. If this was a valid program, and we knew that the money was coming, then WHY would we be given an option to receive our $40 back? This would allow GPP to have had use our of $40.00 (for in some cases years). So if valid, our $55,000 would be on hold only to provide us with our original $40.00 (with no interest by the way). Seems like this would actually be taking advantage members. Not good business practice if you ask me. This I say because it looks like the $55,000 would then be theirs to keep. Sounds scammy to me, I’m sorry… It just does.

    Extan’s and everyone…
    I’m not going to say that I agree with what is being said about this payout. I would ask, why would anyone even consider placing their money into an internet bank (of GPP’s). This keeping in mind that your money cannot be touched after the button is pressed? This refund in nonsense!

    I will say what is unfortunate is that those who supposedly have an inside link to what is happening with GPP, will not share any info with us all. Some have referrenced this info without providing information. I think of talking about personal finances and degrees from imaginary (yes, my opinion), mean nothing to the reason that we are all here. Our investment!

    My friends,
    As I have continually mentioned, I’m looking out for others! Why would anyone bring in new members after a program is closed, to a prgram that is offering a refund to members for non performance?

    If there is info availible containing good financial value, perhaps we could all re-mention it? This I believe would be of great benefit to us all!!!!!!!!!!!

    As to that last paragraph, I’m truly not being sarcastic. Quite seriously, previous valued information combined alltogether would very much enlighten, and soothe concerns. Would you agree? I think that this would be of great benefit.

    Good luck to us all,

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 28th March 2008 @ 3:42 pm

  593. dear extan
    i have some very important question to you.

    my doughter’s username for GPP is the same as the login ID for http://worldpensionclub.net/.
    do you understand? the same!!! 4 letters and 3 numbers.

    question: what a incredibel coincidence, is’n it?

    Comment by monica — 28th March 2008 @ 6:39 pm

  594. I have been watching this blog for some time now and I have a question. I was brought to this blog by doing some re-search on a past client. His name brought me straight to this site. I don’t know if he was part of this program (GPP) or just someone collecting money on behalf of GPP. The question is did someone previously in this blog mention monies being sent to Canada? I know this is vague but you have to be very careful when dealing with people who run this type of scam. There is way too much money involved.

    Comment by Searching — 28th March 2008 @ 8:50 pm

  595. Highly Suspect! Has anyone else noticed this?

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 28th March 2008 @ 9:21 pm

  596. what is highly suspect?

    Comment by Searching — 28th March 2008 @ 9:30 pm

  597. Mike, I can’t really understand you?? The refunds are for lost payments during December when there were problems. And please I do not know them = GPP!

    Monica, there is no problem, I also use the same ID, easier to remember 🙂

    Hi Blade68, must say your tone was better, but you still call me a liar! Sorry, this does not belong into this blog, but that .22 (normally used for small game/birds) really put down the Kudu (it actually fell over) range 100m,(maybe just got a fright?) which is only a bit smaller than an Orix antilope (Gemsbuk), (but it needed another close-by shot). Actually it’s forbidden to use such a small caliber (normally use 7×57 or my 8x60S on big game), but if hit “spot on” it can certainly kill, but mostly may only hurt and cause suffering. Even an airgun can be dangerous, believe me!!

    About kids, well my stepdaughter was/is 13 years younger than me at 24, that’s uncommon, to start so early, you told me I have to grow up 🙂 Hope this is clear now?

    Battle to sleep, wish me luck.

    Comment by extan — 28th March 2008 @ 9:51 pm

  598. again: gpp and wpc give my doughter the same id/username. hello?

    extan? they use the same id to better remember?
    maby same database, same people, same office (same text on website)? maby a coincidence? maby a new happy start with new “game”?
    maby start to think?
    maby wpc will payout also, better to join now! the 100’000 members not full yet.

    Comment by monica — 28th March 2008 @ 11:35 pm

  599. extan: To make it easier on you, just give us a list of the things you cannot do. It should be a very short list. Then if it is not on the list, you won’t have to take time telling us about it. This way it will save you time and you only need to concern yourself with GPP.

    Comment by EagleOne — 29th March 2008 @ 1:22 am

  600. EagleOne you don’t seem to get the point, total miss! Blade68 called me a liar and I spend just a few lines to TRY to tell him that I’m honest (supply additional info) and I actually told that it does not belong into this blog! Now just take Mikes loooooong letters, or some useless loooooong postings copied from GPP for the 3rd time, so where is your problem, did I really waste so much space, Ben can delete it, actually I know, you are just looking for trouble and can’t stand me, good for you! Sorry that I had such an interesting life, just wait for GPP to pay out!!!

    In general I should just ignore all that is thrown at me, no use to say anything. Non comprehendo negativo!!

    Monica, my fault, I did not know that GPP gave out those ID’s (thought members did that) got mine sponsored from someone else, yeah it looks suspicious as Mike had remarked!

    Comment by extan — 29th March 2008 @ 9:03 am

  601. extan: I get it fine. It is you who doesn’t get it. I just wanted to save you the time of telling us about all of your talents, accomplishments, etc.. I figure there must be 3 or 4 things you are not good at, therefore just list them, and then you won’t have to brag about all your accomplishments because we will know without your having to tell us. Get it now?

    Besides, I do not dislike you. Not sure where you got that idea. I think you are totally misguided, but it is not personal. If you want to believe in the Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy, and Santa Claus, that’s your problem. I just don’t have to agree they are real.

    Why don’t you just give Stella a call and let us know what she said. Wait, sorry you can’t do that can you. Okay, then send her a fax. Wait, you can’t do that either. Hey just call the trust and let us know what they say. Hmmm, gee can’t do that either, nor can you send them a fax. No phone/fax numbers. Now there’s a company you really want to do business with. Totally anonymous. I think you may be in for a rude shock. By the way, do you know what a little One Billion looks like, let alone 14.5 Billion? I’ll be back and share it with you. Don’t go away, you here.

    Comment by EagleOne — 29th March 2008 @ 10:14 am

  602. Just so you know, here is just what One Billion represents:

    A. A billion seconds ago it was 1959.

    B. A billion minutes ago Jesus was alive.

    C. A billion one dollar bills laid end to end would stretch from earth to the moon and back twice.

    D. A billion dollars is more than 28 countries GDP; and

    E. GPP needs to borrow 42 Billion to pay out 19.25 Billion

    Yep, sure sounds real to me.

    Comment by EagleOne — 29th March 2008 @ 10:32 am

  603. EagleOne are you ok I’m so worried about you all those biiiiig numbers my head cannot take it, I just know 1 + 1 = 0 carry one 🙂
    Want to buy a fast scanner then I have 2 to produce negatives for my job, printed circuit production, not bragging, maybe can make some money, not millions…

    Comment by extan — 29th March 2008 @ 11:07 am

  604. Thanks for your concern, but I am quite well thank you. Kind of puts a different perspective on it though doesn’t it.

    Now if we could just get our politicians to stop and think what a Billion really represents, then we might get somewhere. Well, at least I can dream.

    Comment by EagleOne — 29th March 2008 @ 12:01 pm

  605. And my conclusion is: Extan must love the fact that the he’s succeeding in taking out some of the negative feedbacks that’s focused on GPP while they move all the members’ money to somewhere safe for them. If we want to succeed in pinning down GPP once we find out that they aren’t paying, it is better that we spend time in collecting names of people now who fell prey to their bait so we can react right away. The question is, who do we trust to keep the list confidential? Or do you guys have a better idea on how to do it without undermining someone’s privacy?

    Comment by Kitz — 29th March 2008 @ 12:31 pm

  606. Eagle,
    I do not believe that POST #600, could have spelled this out any better! WE CANNOT REACH STELLA. Everyone #600!

    Goodness sake #601 truly puts perspective on this number. Goodness some countries GNP is not even that! So this elusive company, that no one knows about, who needs members (to stay quiet of course), wants to let members come in “under cover”. THAT IS REDICULOUS!!!
    Members,

    let’s consider this for a moment. What is the interest on 1 billion dollars at a mere 2%? Would such a large company, other than a major bank, insurace co. ect be handling this much money? Get this!!! Why would such a large company even be concerned with a comparable pittance from such a scheme? NOT ONLY THAT, why can’t such a company simply provide this money to the investor and reap thier benefit on their own time as opposed to ours? Makes you say Hmmmm, it sure does make me say Hmmmm!

    EVERYONE, Again, I must mention (no the scale of this program)how amusing it is that such a large company would entertain having one person handle this much much money. One person? I absolutely know NOT!

    The inablity to be able to contact anyone is just plain, REDICULOUS!!! SHOW me one, just one company that does this!!! JUST ONE!

    extan,
    if your counting is that bad, perhaps you should ask stella how to count. I’m sure that she knows how to count our money in “her” pocket. Is your post #602 really saying anything?

    Kitz,
    I’ll agree with you. He wants us go get a warm feeling while we are continually getting robed!

    Has anyone ever consiered what would happen if GPP after all of these years decided that they caught a cold (better yet,”could not find a solution”), so they were going to shut the program down? What recourse would we have??? Answer: NONE!!! They could attempt to dissapear into thin air. Now what? We won’t know where they are, and people are left holding the 1 or 2 year old bag!

    Once again, how is it that we haven’t heard of this multi Billion dollar company before 2005? Strange, we know of the top 10 Billionaires, and the WORLD WIDE top 100 businesses. at 14B, I would think that GPP would be somewhere in there (trying t be secrative or not… it would be in there. Hey, we found it!!!!!!! GUESS WHAT, GPP IS NOT IN THERE! I wonder why? Oh yea, we need to be quiet and wait. This vompany is probably waiting on that 14.5 Billion themselves! Maybe they’ll get it next year too….

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 29th March 2008 @ 4:05 pm

  607. Tell the Easter Bunny, that I’m going to wait till next year to receive my payout! Now that’s what we are supposed to do right?
    “Be patient, wait for the solution, keep in mind that we should have good feelings about being robbed, know that secrecy is the best way to obtain money from a company that won’t provide any information to where they are, nor provide a TELEPHONE NUMBER?

    Surely me must not forget that this program should have had a payout 1/2 year ago!!! Yes that is at least 6 MONTHS.

    Let me reffer back t othe Easter Bunny, at least he will leave me a treat! Yes of course, we also know that he lives in the bunny patch. More than we know about GPP’s location. GPP has only left us with broken promises, over and over, and over again. Who disagrees with that????????????????????????????????????

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 29th March 2008 @ 4:15 pm

  608. Please, everyone go to teamthemco and check out the latest post. you have to read it to believe it! How deluded!!

    Extan,
    we keep on TRYING to explain it to you, but it seems you will not understand.
    I expect everyone posting or reading this blog has led an interesting life of some sort, but they don’t keep on about it!

    Comment by Blade68 — 29th March 2008 @ 5:58 pm

  609. It seems that teamThemco and Mr. Gilder are trying to put some distance between themselves and GPP:

    I, Terence John Gilder (aka TeamTHEMCO and/or Themco) declare, subject to a penalty of perjury, that I am an independent member of the Global Pension Plan (GPP) opportunity only and that I am not a part of the GPP Group, I am not a Trustee for GPP or know how many Trustees there are and I have no vested interest in GPP or know who GPP are or where they operate from. Further I do not know the names of the Banks or the Insurance Company who are involved in the mechanism, nor do I know the name of the bank who is to execute the banking solution.

    My confidence in GPP stems from and comprises, my total, but total, faith in Stella, who I trust implicitly. Having established this trust in Stella, this has never waivered and is as strong today as it has been at anytime during this episode.

    Comment by Owen Platt — 29th March 2008 @ 7:35 pm

  610. Blade68, I have read what Terry has said and I agree 150% what he has said about the scammers, they are like dirty flies sitting on the know you heap, nothing more needs to be said, they will always find fault and scream “what utter lie”!

    Owen, what Terry said I had said long ago, if you do not believe it rather keep on writing your lovely books and rather keep out of the scammers sickness.

    Going to hike on the mountain tomorrow early with friends, trying to forget about these scammers.

    Comment by extan — 29th March 2008 @ 9:13 pm

  611. Extan,

    We are not the scammers, we are trying to stop more people being scammed.
    I also take it that you mean you are 100% in agreement with mr Gilder.
    Don’t get lost on the mountain. But if you find stella up there, ask her what the hell is going on!

    Comment by Blade68 — 29th March 2008 @ 9:58 pm

  612. Well we know one thing extan hasn’t done, write a book. Otherwise he would have already told us about it.

    Enjoy your mountain climbing. While you are there, take real deep breaths. It will get rid of all the fog in your brain. You will be amazed at how things will look different to you when you get back. You will feel better and have a clear head.

    Comment by EagleOne — 29th March 2008 @ 10:41 pm

  613. extan: In regard to your comment, and I quote: “Blade68, I have read what Terry has said and I agree 150% what he has said about the scammers, they are like dirty flies sitting on the know you heap, nothing more needs to be said, they will always find fault and scream “what utter lie”! Guess Terry missed the part about: If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it is a duck. This looks like a scam, it acts like a scam, and it is a scam.

    Not going to waste my time in pointing out all the discrepancies of Terry’s comments. It would take up way too much space, but if you want me too I will.

    Comment by EagleOne — 30th March 2008 @ 8:15 am

  614. Eagle,

    If you have the opportunity, I’d sure like to see your comments on this nonsense. You know I was getting the same feeling there. Was almost confusing.

    on another note, it is funny how themco, is trying to distance themselves! That pathetic attempt to do so. It is not working however. So they have nothing to do with GPP…. How were they connected? Why do they TRUST her so much? Did they ever have any info sharing between the two (would think that they’d have to – Thus a connection)? Something is not right there.

    Also, why did he not invest in GPP? I’ve got a good guess….

    Perhaps I’m wrong with Themco. I’ll see.

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 30th March 2008 @ 5:26 pm

  615. Hi friends and foes 🙂 how’s it going, I’ve cleared the fog out my brain on the mountain…, but actually we are hiking nearly every Sunday preferably on the Table Mountain near Cape Town, today from Constantia Nek (pass)to via Cecilia Forest (sometimes fairies seen in the trees… one I think is called Stella) then towards Kirstenhof and back, very popular route, wish you could all join us one day after GPP has sent your money!!! We then also went to the beach in Houtbay. Unbelievable how much choice and natural beauty we have to spend our time, mind boggling, a place for everyone.

    Sorry I do not really have anything else to say, have a good week!

    Comment by EXTAN — 30th March 2008 @ 8:25 pm

  616. hope the fairy Stella will contact us soon, no more delays possible, apart from correcting the downlines where people have died, etc.

    Comment by EXTAN — 31st March 2008 @ 9:49 am

  617. MikeCheck,

    I must apologise to you – I deleted one of your posts by mistake. Sorry about that! I was moderating the spam comments and clicked on yours in error.

    I’ll be more careful in future 🙂

    Comment by Ben — 31st March 2008 @ 11:57 am

  618. Ben,

    No problem. Things happen. Looks like this has gotten to be a real job huh?

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 31st March 2008 @ 2:43 pm

  619. April 2008 update is out. Nothing really definite.

    Regards

    Comment by snartmor — 31st March 2008 @ 4:44 pm

  620. Well Stella chose 31 March not 1st April to write a good letter, no doubt faults will be found, they are not planning to run away, but we will see, she got a style of her own. Not wanting more to say, be good to yourself 🙂

    Comment by extan — 31st March 2008 @ 7:06 pm

  621. WOW! The update was just full of wonderful news, of which the most important news is you can still buy more policies. Now I admit I never say that one coming! ROFLOL! And of course we still have the banking & government conspiracy theory alive and well too. Those evil banks and governments. But wait a minute…if they are seeking a banking solution, doesn’t that make them part of those evil banks? Inquiring minds want to know.

    Comment by EagleOne — 31st March 2008 @ 8:46 pm

  622. I’ll tell you, I’d bet the house that there will be another excuse tomorrow (or some great news that the payout is in effect, but it won’t get to us just yet)!!! Anyone want to take me up on that?

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 31st March 2008 @ 10:41 pm

  623. Mike: The only way that will happen is if they cannot sell more policies. As long as people continue to buy more policies, this will continue to run. After all they have given themselves the best out they can. They can announce they didn’t have enough members to qualify for the 100,000 policies, therefore, it cannot be completed. It will be all the members fault, not theirs, and they walk with the money as the “admin fee” is not refundable. Or they will just take a powder. Still, they will string this out as long as they can to get more money. It is not costing them a dime to do so. They use free hosing services and a free E-mail account.

    Comment by EagleOne — 1st April 2008 @ 1:03 am

  624. extan: Forgive me. I failed to tell you I was glad you had a great trip on our mountain climbing jaunt as well as all the other places you visited. Glad to see you were able to clear your head. Mountain air always has that ability. I also like the view from a mountain top. Kind of help put things in perspective for me.

    Comment by EagleOne — 1st April 2008 @ 4:57 am

  625. extan: Sorry, meant to say YOUR not our. Got my tongue in front of my eye teeth again and couldn’t see what I was saying. Where’s the edit button? LOL! Sorry Ben, couldn’t resist.

    Comment by EagleOne — 1st April 2008 @ 4:58 am

  626. Eagle,
    And that is the answer! Everyone should recognise! I just think that it is incredible that people are still buying policies! Why?!! Is anyone familiar with the line that is being run right now to others? I mean, how are the policies being substansiated on a closed program?

    You know, didn’t these clowns once sell these policies at half price at some point, stating that people would get the same payout? Seems like that was back in November or so… NOW, let me ask, why would a company offer a full payout for full price? Answer: to get more money!!!!!

    So, how can anyone believe in this?! Oh yea, did I mention that this was in NOVEMBER!!! They have been suckering us for 1/2 year now!

    Yes Eagle, free websites, free email, free money!!! How much better can it get!!! HOW CAN ANYONE BELIEVE IN THIS SCAM after seeing all of this straight up evidence!!

    People it’s APRIL 1st! Month 4 of 2008!!! How much longer would should we be willing to wait? How much longer!

    Everyone, Eagle mentioned that they would have the out to say that they did not meet 100K people, eventhough they “supposedly” have done so. RIGHT! They’ll say something like 99,999 people did it and, darn, just missed it… if they even care at that point to even bother!

    Let’s find them and get those funds back! I can only say how insulted I am that this will come to pass tomorrow (or whenever they get the courage to tell us of another delay)! Now is this really acceptable? NO IT IS NOT!

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 1st April 2008 @ 5:11 am

  627. Ok so you are at it again, good for you… Eagle, my head is always clear because I walk every day, have “restless leg syndrome” so I have to walk rather than to sit around, hope it will get better soon.

    Anyway, the offer to buy additional policies does seem somewhat odd, but for those with downlines it will create extra bucks, assuming that the banking licence is still “waiting”, think they want their own bank, that surely takes time.

    They tried other options, so please forget the past, it is a process! When realizing that it will take some more time it starts to make sense to up the savings in the mean time, I would also profit INDIRECTLY by that, so ok with me. Stella has her own weird way, but she will not run away, a fairy surely flies 🙂 .

    Comment by EXTAN — 1st April 2008 @ 8:40 am

  628. Apart from the manifest impossibility of turning a few euros into a small fortune by sending them off to an unknown entity, the nonsense of a banking solution can only be a ploy to distract the ‘investors.’
    By now, at a minimum, GPP must have accumulated several million which must be deposited in a bank somewhere. Money exchangers, the preferred option of scamsters on account of their invisibility, merely act as transit points. If GPP genuinely wished to distribute the returns, there is no reason why this function could not be performed by whichever bank they are using at the moment – it is, after all, what banks do.
    To suggest that owning their own bank would perform this function more easily is a nonsense. They cannot ‘give’ accounts to their members even if they were able to obtain a licence – which is highly unlikely.
    And, as I have pointed out, if such a licence were to be obtained, the principals of GPP would become public knowledge.
    It does occur to me that they may well eventually claim to have established a bank somewhere and invite members to open accounts for a small fee. If this is the case, it will be very easy to establish the bona fides of the operation by consulting the Central Bank of the jurisdiction in which it is said to be licensed.
    However, in view of the almost total obscurity in which GPP wish to work, this seems extremely improbable.

    Comment by Owen Platt — 1st April 2008 @ 10:10 am

  629. The logic conclusion would be that at the moment the money is not structured into bank accounts where it was paid in, e.g. my share money is invested in a public company and they have their base in a bank somewhere, no need for me to know where. GPP would not be so stupid to look for a solution if it was not necessary and nobody said they would actually apply for their own bank, because if they want to remain secret then another bank would be better. Don’t really know whether it is helpful to speculate, I’m sure the money will come eventually, maybe even (only) in June.

    Comment by EXTAN — 1st April 2008 @ 12:50 pm

  630. Extan – your logic eludes me, I’m afraid. Surely your investments in a public company are secured by shares in your possession? What do you have from GPP? Stellas Googlemail address!

    Comment by Owen Platt — 1st April 2008 @ 1:03 pm

  631. Yes Owen, that money was paid in from my bank to the company and the shares are distr./held in different companies, so not in the bank, sorry == equity. Better investment than in the bank, that’s something GPP will also have done. I only see my account on the internet, like GPP members also see, is there really any difference, now if I take that investment and return it to my bank then it is in a bank account. See any similarity?

    Comment by EXTAN — 1st April 2008 @ 1:49 pm

  632. Extan – what evidence do you have as to what GPP (Stella or Neverland)have done with the fund?

    Comment by Owen Platt — 1st April 2008 @ 3:37 pm

  633. Has anyone bothered to notice the different writing styles of Stella? We have a variance in English skills, grammar skills, and sentence structure; yet no-one seems to notice. Maybe that’s why “she” started deleting updates in the forum. I haven’t believed that Stella was one person, but several different ones claiming to be Stella for quite some time now. Thus my reason for questioning if Stella really is a woman and not a man. I know that JH has also noticed this, and was wondering if any of the rest of you had noticed this?

    Comment by EagleOne — 1st April 2008 @ 5:09 pm

  634. well surely they must have invested it in a “highly gain” investment,i.e not in a bank. No idea where.

    Comment by extan — 1st April 2008 @ 7:25 pm

  635. Eagle,

    Yes, I have noticed those different writing styles!!! This is something else that promps me to beseem to be several different people! I’ll join you in that convo in an hour or two…

    Extan,

    I can’t quite understand you. How long would you consider is long enough???

    How long?

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 1st April 2008 @ 10:56 pm

  636. Extan,

    I don’t mean any harm, but I were to believe anthing that you have been saying, I’d question my own financial common sense.

    So, you want me to believe that GPP will change lead to gold (a few dollars into thousands). NOPE won’t happen.

    Come on now,put money into all of these accounts, and you have NO idea of what they are invested in? Oh, yea, you think you money would be safer in some funny acccount (more like some FOREX account…Hmmm, what a great way to launder money!!!) Riiiiight!

    BY THE WAY, What is this nonsense that you have kicked out about even waiting till June?!?! June? What are you telling us?

    I have a question that everyone would like to know for our own benefit. HOW DO YOU KNOW SO MUCH ABOUT OUR MONEY AND WE KNOW NOTHING?

    Again, how long are you willing to wait? Does not seem to matter with you huh? Also what are you saying about these additonal contracts being had? THERE IS NO BENEFIT TO ANY OF US!!! NOTHING! NOTHING!

    I mean, am I making sense or not? If someone sees me as being wrong or missing something please let me know. Extan, what am I missing?

    I do not mean to extend this further but you said something about not worrying about the company’s past performance (non performance, better said). Yes that is in the past, but there has been no signs showing any difference. In other words, if you see a stock that if falling straight down and staying there (Past Performance). I would not exactly be one to take a mortgage out on my house to snap up that stock.

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 2nd April 2008 @ 12:54 am

  637. APRIL FOOLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Comment by busting gut — 2nd April 2008 @ 12:56 am

  638. Oh dear everyone is so miserable.
    And so clever and perceptive. What did you risk? $40? £20? 30 Euros?. Such a lot of money. Why not go to the Feds or Fraud squad or Police.
    Report your great losses. At least it has kept you all busy running everyone down. Why don’t you go away and find us all something that will make us some money? You seem well able to pick holes in everything so we would not be risking our cash would we? You would be our protector!!
    Angie

    Comment by Angie — 2nd April 2008 @ 11:23 am

  639. Extan,

    I can’t quite understand you. How long would you consider is long enough???

    How long?

    MikeCheck
    Well I don’t like to brag, I would say 8 or 9 inch, you can trust me 😉

    Comment by EXTAN — 2nd April 2008 @ 1:09 pm

  640. Hi Angie,

    not much to invest in at the moment, the stock exchange is hopping around, no real gains, just need to wait a bit more, GPP will pay, it’s like standing in a long row, wait, wait, wait and WAIT until you turn blue!

    My girlfriend and myself will probably soon start to sell air fuel (long term contract) to a particular countries airline and get about 0,10 dollar per barrel, that’s good money if you sell say 1M barrels per month, eat your heart out…

    Comment by EXTAN — 2nd April 2008 @ 1:23 pm

  641. Well let us just give them a break. What is good on the web now? Everything seems to be a scam. GPP has not disappeared. Contact is kept. How many of the others do this? Most of the web sites pack up at the point of payment and you can’t get the money back that you have lost.
    Stella is actually repaying losses. Isn’t that something? Ease up on the nastiness and be patient.
    Angie

    Comment by Angie — 2nd April 2008 @ 2:59 pm

  642. gpp website appears to be down again, anyone else having problems with access.not to worried,still upbeat.

    Comment by jacko — 2nd April 2008 @ 3:09 pm

  643. I have read several of the blogs on GPP and I have been in the financial industry for several years now. I am here to say that how do you know that this won’t work. Banks all across the world survive on taking your monies that you deposit and invest that gaurantee on short turn around stocks that you don’t know about to help the bank survive and to pay their employees. They also do long term investments to cover federal gains taxes and insurance payouts if something should go wrong – God forbid.. But they don’t tell you this and this is also a secret within the organization of the banks. I am not saying that maybe GPP is wrong, but who is to say that it isn’t. Just pray if you invested and hope for the best. Only God prevails. Have a dream and go for it. It is just money. You probably blow 20, 30, 40 on junk anyway.

    Comment by Jen — 2nd April 2008 @ 3:14 pm

  644. Hi Jacko, already yesterday I had to face problems accessing the site from time to time. But today it seems to be completely down for whatever reason. We will see what happens. Good luck.

    Comment by snartmor — 2nd April 2008 @ 3:41 pm

  645. HI Jacko and snartmor, I got onto the site straight away, no problems. Nothing new today anyway.

    Comment by Blade68 — 2nd April 2008 @ 5:18 pm

  646. Hello blade68, just tried again and could have reached the site. Found some minor news on “Administration”. Anyway, thanks your comment.

    Comment by snartmor — 2nd April 2008 @ 5:59 pm

  647. Jen, if you really had any substantive experience in the real-world “financial industry,” then you’d know immediately that their scheme won’t work for any number of reasons as have been discussed here ad infinitum. Foremost among them, that the entire deal relies on selling these supposed policies to a bank at better than 3X their market value times 350,000 over at an unrealistically low return.

    The rest of your post reads like a cheezy HYIP promoter’s sales pitch.

    Comment by JH — 2nd April 2008 @ 5:59 pm

  648. April Fools.
    Why are you continuing to try rationalize and legitimize this. Do you not remember that part in the disclaimer/TOS that said “I vow that I am not a member of law-enforcement, etc.,” and the “We need to stay under the radar”? When , in the course of those words running through your head, did the concept of ‘legitimate’ come up?
    If I blow 20,30, or 40 on junk, I have some “junk” to show for it. If I blow 20,30, 40 on the lottery, I maybe won something and maybe didn’t, but, I know that SOMEBODY legitimately won.
    If I give 20,30, or 40 to someone who says all of the above disclaimers, have no means of contacting the individual, have to grovel for a simple response, etc., that is not “Blowing it on junk”, that’s being taken for a ride.
    If you believe this ‘ride’ has been worth 20, 30, or 40, then you got your money’s worth. If, however, you were expecting more,…I suggest you call Stella, or write to her, or look her up in the Global directory,..oh shoot, you can’t do ANY of those things!
    Which brings us back to blowing money on junk, or just handing it over to a con-artist.
    If you are too embarassed to admit that you’ve been had, stop trying to rationalize it and make everyone else join you in your blind faith.
    It is obviously NOT legal, or we wouldn’t be keeping ‘under the radar’, and imagining that a dumb disclaimer like , “I am not in law-enforcement” actually has any value. It simply means nothing other than someone is blatantly informing you that what you are sending in to, is not legal, not accepted by law, and not to be talked about loudly, in case somebody hears you.
    Stella keeps pointing the finger at the banks, as the bad guys, but as Jen just pointed out,-
    “Banks all across the world survive on taking your monies that you deposit and invest that gaurantee on short turn around stocks that you don’t know about to help the bank survive and to pay their employees.”
    ….so, why would the banks be the problem if it was all legit? Wouldn’t they just love the chance to get their % of all this exchange?
    Think about this the next time you’re begging, cajoling, and pleading with “the Stellas” for a response.

    Comment by zippy — 2nd April 2008 @ 6:23 pm

  649. Let’s put this in perspective. Since most only think of their $55,000 payout, you never stop to think of what all 100,000 policies represent. So let’s do some math, and since extan is a whiz at math, I know he will have no problems getting this.

    Just using 100,000 policies, the $55,000 payout per policy amounts to $5.5 Billion Dollars. To put this number in perspective, it is larger than over 60 countries GDP. The potential payout for referral commission is $2.4 Billion Dollars. I did not say is, will be, but “POTENTIAL.” This is more than over 40 countries GDP. Forgetting the $4.1 Billion in “premiums” the trust has to pay, the two figures added together represent more than 80 countries GDP.

    The total face amount on just 100,000 policies is $20 Billion Dollars. In short, in less than a two month period of time, GPP is going to have an insurance company issue more pension policies than the top 5 Insurance Companies in the world combined issued for their entire product lines of insurance. They will underwrite and issue more pension plans than the top 25 insurance companies in the world combined issued in the last 5 years.

    Let’s put it another way, the average insurance company has a ratio of 10 employees to every 1 policy they write. Some have more, some have less, and it depends on the size of the company. Still, to issue 100,000 policies in one month requires an insurance company to issue over 3,300 policies per day, and that is working 24 hours per day, every day. No weekends off. If you only use a 5 day work week, then they have to issue 50,000 policies per day. Anyone want to do the math to see just how many “employees” it would take to accomplish this feat? Remember, the average company has a 10-1 ratio of employees to every policy issued.

    Since this trust is supposedly licensed in Liechtenstein, according to Stella, just the payout to the members is almost 7 times the GDP of Liechtenstein.

    Now if you want to run the numbers at an additional 250,000 policies, it gets even more absurd. Just with the 100,000 pension policies, you will have an unknown insurance company overnight become the world’s number 1 insurance company. By the way, the reason why insurance companies have a diversified portfolio of insurance products is because they don’t put all their eggs in one basket. Meaning they spread the risk of each product line among many product lines. The captitalization of this insurance company would have to be over $150 Billion Dollars if they issued all 350,000 policies.

    Jenn, since you say you have been in the financial services business now for 2 years, please share with me knowing the above figures how you believe GPP is real. Actually any of the rest of you who believe GPP is real. Looking forward to your mathematical explanation extan. I welcome your comments.

    Comment by EagleOne — 2nd April 2008 @ 8:14 pm

  650. Zippy, did you have a bad day or what, can’t make out what you were talking about, it sounded negative, think you need a good hug from someone close to you! That surely works!

    Comment by extan — 2nd April 2008 @ 8:15 pm

  651. Very very very well put EagleOne, Very well explained. Thanks for taking the time. I had my own rough workings out but you hit the nail on the head.

    Comment by Blade68 — 2nd April 2008 @ 8:20 pm

  652. EagleOne you hit the nail on its head, now we know why Stella needs so much time to finish everything and gets fed up with all the useless and rude e-mails sent in. Enjoy your day!

    Comment by extan — 2nd April 2008 @ 8:22 pm

  653. Eagle,
    That was so much of an excellent example, that it is no wonder that extan could not understand it. Better said, could not dispute it!

    Extan,
    You keep on kicking out nonsense. That statement about Stella needing so much additional time to do everything is simply rediculous!

    Zippy,
    Looks like you hit a chord! In respect to your post, well this looks like you prevented me from having to say the same thing! Our money is our money! I’ve enven mentioned before if I buy some junk, then I’ve bought junk. As so well said by zippy, at least I would have my junk!!! Whith this scam, you have NOTHING!
    Jen, you are saying that this 30 or 40 bucks is something that should be just mitigated? We should simply not worry about it?

    Angie, you know extan don’t you…

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 3rd April 2008 @ 12:39 am

  654. Hi Mike, you must have a problem with yourself, I can understand everything, just not nonsense, you asked how long is long enought, well I gave you a straight answer! I’m very long, I don’t need a metal extension like a flashy Ferrari, whatever 🙂 !! Stella complained again about those idiots that send stupid mails everyday, can understand… all those stupid idiots messing up everything. Have a good day. A bank licence takes about 6 month!!

    Comment by EXTAN — 3rd April 2008 @ 8:59 am

  655. Extan – applied for many bank licences lately?
    I seem to recall that, two years ago, when GPP promised to have a solution, there was no mention of them needing one.

    Comment by Owen Platt — 3rd April 2008 @ 10:10 am

  656. Hi Owen, how are your books doing? Somebody in Europe told us that it takes about 6 month, guess it depends where it’s done, what about Africa time, here where we live, you should see how laid back everything happens like riding in an old Mercedes Benz 🙂 ?

    Comment by extan — 3rd April 2008 @ 1:38 pm

  657. Extan,
    I’m good for you! At least you are long somewhere. Does not look like finances would fit into your longness.

    So, Stella keeps complaining about these emails huh? One would be tempted to think that she would have somthing better to do than that. At least have someone else deal with these destructive emails! Better watch out for these digital messengers of desturction!

    Again, where do you get this (long)information that none of us are privy to?

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 3rd April 2008 @ 1:48 pm

  658. Everyone!

    Let me fix an error that I said with a quickness!!! Meant in that first scentence…

    GOOD FOR YOU.

    That “I’m” is most definitely a mistake in in erasing a previously written scentence!

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 3rd April 2008 @ 1:52 pm

  659. Oh Mike, like Angie said, don’t worry too much about GPP, look for other opportunities, GPP will pay out whenever, Stella has her own time, didn’t you notice, whenever she feels, typical “fairy” women…

    We are now looking into the oil industry, fuel prices are rising and we have super contacts, so here we go :-)!!

    Comment by extan — 3rd April 2008 @ 2:59 pm

  660. I have used a proxy site for a few weeks now, but today went through the usual way as the proxy didn’t work. Keep smiling and stop bitching.
    Angie

    Comment by Angie — 3rd April 2008 @ 3:31 pm

  661. Extan,
    “Stella” is not a woman. Stella is a bunch of people. One person does not change their ability to write in English from one minute to the next. One person does not suddenly change syntax.
    Don’t you get it? You’ve been duped by a tag-team, and these cons are so bold as to COMPLAIN about the emails!
    Ha! That’s some big nerve!
    Look at Team Themco’s latest. Does that sound like co-operation?
    However in the world does anyone still believe this? Do you think Stella can get a license being ONE PERSON with no staff, no board? How do you run a bank by yourself, AND process 100,000 policies?
    You don’t!

    Comment by zippy — 3rd April 2008 @ 4:41 pm

  662. Angie,

    Smiling about what?

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 3rd April 2008 @ 6:21 pm

  663. surely they are a team, Stella or Neverland are the usual spokespersons, maybe not as you said, she is a little weird like most women, but Angie seems to be ok 🙂 “stop the bitching and smile”

    Comment by extan — 3rd April 2008 @ 7:26 pm

  664. In regard to Stella and Neverland. If it is Neverland doing the update posting, then why use Stella’s name pretending to be her/he? It is not like neverland has not posted before, thus didn’t want to confuse anyone.

    Funny thing about all those updates posted. It gives you the ability to read and compare how they were written. It might also explain why ‘Stella’ was deleting a lot of the updates, especially all those related to a timeline as to when things would happen; and of course didn’t. I just can’t believe they think by deleting them they think they can’t be used against them later.

    Just another observation. I noticed that extan did not take any serious exception to Mike’s assertion that he,extan, is more than one person; but has to the claim Stella is more than one person. If I had been accused of being more than one person, I would have challenged the assertion vociferously. Yet, extan didn’t. A little strange don’t you think?

    Zippy is right, it is more than one person pretending to be Stella. The real question is why. What is more interesting is that almost nobody noticed, including extan. Someone with all his talents, abilities, and financial expertise, you would think he would have noticed it immediately. Many of us lesser mortals did. Which brings up another question, does extan know Stella is not one person?

    Questions, Questions, Questions. Inquiring minds want to know.

    Comment by EagleOne — 3rd April 2008 @ 8:02 pm

  665. Quote from Extan:
    “My girlfriend and myself will probably soon start to sell air fuel (long term contract) to a particular countries airline and get about 0,10 dollar per barrel, that’s good money if you sell say 1M barrels per month, eat your heart out…

    Comment by EXTAN – April 2, 2008 @ 1:23 pm ”

    Funny, I was just reading up on Viktor Bout and how he would be missed by the guerillas in S. Africa as they would have problems getting their airplane fuels, weapons, and other illegal military stuff delivered to them while he is incarcerated. It’s funny that Extan, who has claimed to not have the “Business gene”, should announce his plans to supply fuel to an unnamed airline, just when the Bout delivery service was cut-off.
    Extan, someone with no business acumen would not have the contacts necessary to supply that volume of fuel, nor would an airline even consider a contract with someone who claims to be nothing more than a struggling student, UNLESS, for some reason, they could not get their fuel via the regular “big boys” oil network.
    Would that “particular country” be Kisangani? Kigali? Equatorial Guinea?
    Extan, in all of your ramblings, you had never before mentioned an interest in flying, planes, or fuel-supplies, or even that you had any interest in business. Now, you’re going to supply a national airlines with fuel? Yet, one would be led to believe that there would be many sanctions to work around in supplying said fuel,..no?
    You may have tipped your hand.

    Comment by zippy — 4th April 2008 @ 10:14 am

  666. Zippy you are a bit ignorant about some stuff, but actually my girlfriend has a contact with a guy (very good friend in the middle east) that works with Tariq International (spelling) and thus managers are needed to make various deals and then get a small percentage of the sale, after all a barrel costs about 100 dollar, get it? Actualy there was a misunderstanding, it will probably be oil supplies for further refinery by someone else! Generally called the oil industry, fuel is just one end use.

    Comment by extan — 4th April 2008 @ 6:49 pm

  667. extan, your attempt to deflect your previous statement rings hollow, but nice try. You do understand with your latest explanation you are now saying your previous post about the oil business was a lie. Now if you lied about this, what else have you been lying about? Those pesky questions just keep on coming don’t they. You seem to have more stories than Stella. You just got caught in a “big” one. Ouch!

    Comment by EagleOne — 4th April 2008 @ 7:07 pm

  668. Extan,

    You didn’t just get busted did you?! I’m sure that you are going to counter… Humph.

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 5th April 2008 @ 12:23 am

  669. Hi whats the new global pension plan website?Because i tried the globalpt.net site and it doesn’t work it takes you to some website listing some professors information. The site is in
    spanish, I think global pension is a scam…I already have invested in it and am now regretting it please help me if you can in finding
    the new website address. I was supposed to have received over a hundred thousand from them in febuary 2008 and here it is almost 3 months later and I have received nothing…. now they have the nerve to ask me to send them more money along with my driver license photo color copy and 60 more dollars since they claim the first 60 dollars
    I invested into one of the investment contracts isn’t going to work because the man who sold it to myslef and the others who payed money..didnt have his license and now they claim they have a new represenative who does have a license but now i have to send a new 60 dollars…I think your right it is a scam,and they will never see another dollar from me again or any other money promis gag out there..thanks
    trevor

    Comment by trevor moore — 5th April 2008 @ 1:28 am

  670. Sorry eagle_null you are a real jerk, I did not lie, just was not familiar with the oil industry, will soon be, don’t have to be, so in a mail to me there was a misunderstanding which was cleared up, you see one needs to have precise inside information to interpret statements correctly. In any case don’t worry, our future looks very promising even with or without air fuel or GPP or your ridiculous remarks, you are just F sick to pull everything out of its socks!!

    Comment by extan — 5th April 2008 @ 5:18 am

  671. extan: Just call me silly, but before you go shooting off your mouth about what kind of business you are going to be involved in, it pays to “know” what kind of business you are going to be involved in. Like I said, nice try at trying to cover your assets, but you fell way short. I really don’t care what you call it, but you still lied. If I say I am going to be a policeman, but then change it to being a fireman, no-one is going to believe me when I say that I just got confused and didn’t know the difference between the two. Especially after you claimed you got your head cleared when you went mountain climbing. Sounds like to me you are still in a fog. Guess it all boils down to what the definition of “is” is.

    Comment by EagleOne — 5th April 2008 @ 7:35 am

  672. How old are you extan? if you cannot write a post without swearing and insulting people then you should not brag about things that are obviously not true!

    Comment by Blade68 — 5th April 2008 @ 10:51 am

  673. Eagle and busting I wish I was close to you, then if you kept on saying that I lied which is absolute nonsense and derogative, then I could sort out things in a direct way to teach you a lesson, you would feel your eyes going blue and close up and land on the floor crying, mamma, please help me, believe me you would never open your mouth again, you are just hiding behind your computer!

    Comment by extan — 5th April 2008 @ 11:35 am

  674. This blog serves no purpose, just being negative, being greedy and jealous and talking utter rubbish, you should rather play in the Kindergarten.

    Think I have better things to do, going cycling, jogging, hiking, climbing mountains, keeping fit, having fun, so you just keep on typing and talk lots of nonsense!! 🙂

    Comment by extan — 5th April 2008 @ 11:53 am

  675. OK!
    Extan is obviously 11 0r 12 years old, all the bragging and boasting,lies, and now the big man talk.
    This blog is supposed to be about gpp, either positive or negative, trying to get to the bottom of it. Extans posts have no place here.

    Comment by Blade68 — 5th April 2008 @ 12:35 pm

  676. What happend to the good old times when fruitful discussions were being held on this blog and useful information could have been obtained? Nowadays this blog has become a platform for personal insults without any helpful content. It really is a pitty. Why don’t you folks gather in a forum which suits you better like “spit-dirt-at-others.com” or similar, but leave us people here alone who really care for the original meaning of this blog. Sorry to say.

    Comment by snartmor — 5th April 2008 @ 1:00 pm

  677. Getting back on topic…

    [Edit by Ben: Sorry JH, just had to remove a couple of words there – to be safe. Thanks for the update though, very interesting stuff]

    Feds seize more than $1M from Norfolk pastor

    Federal agents seized more than $1.1 million from a self-proclaimed pastor in Norfolk who is under investigation in an international investment fraud scheme, according to court filings unsealed this week.

    Benjamin Seigler of Pall Mall Street has not been charged but is the focus of an ongoing inquiry into several of his investment programs, says an affidavit filed in federal court this week by U.S. postal inspectors. More than 4,000 individuals in this country and abroad placed investments with Seigler, but none has seen any returns, the affidavit says.

    “Seigler is defrauding individuals by selling fraudulent insurance and securities products,” says the affidavit, filed by postal inspector Eric Brown. “This scheme is ongoing.”

    Postal inspectors have been investigating Seigler since November, when managers at the Norview post office, near Seigler’s apartment, noticed he was receiving more than 50 letters a day containing money orders made out to him in amounts ranging from $44 to $1,000, which Seigler cashed at various post offices around the city, the affidavit says.

    The mail originated from states across the country as well as from Canada, Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands. Many of the money orders noted they were payment to the “Global Pension Investment Trust” or some variation.

    Further investigation discovered that Seigler had deposited, from October to March, more than $900,000 in cash in a Chartway Federal Credit Union account, Brown said in his affidavit.

    The inspectors obtained warrants to listen in on Seigler’s phone calls. During daily conference calls with investors, Seigler said his investments would yield greater returns than traditional bank accounts or stock programs, Brown wrote.

    For example, an investment for as little as $42.62 in an insurance contract would yield $3,000, $79,000 or as much as $154,000, Brown’s affidavit says.

    The investments were purportedly to be made through an online entity called Global Pension Plan, which has a Web site with no phone number, address or contact information, nor does it identify exactly what insurance program funds are invested with.

    “Because we want to succeed in this business, we need to protect the privacy of all our partners. This may sound confusing and shady, but please try to take another perspective,” Global Pension Plan says on its Web site.

    Postal inspectors interviewed a number of people, mainly in Arizona and Louisiana, who invested with Seigler but have not received any returns. Those investors were not identified in the court filings.

    Postal inspectors did not return calls for comment. Officials in the U.S. attorney’s office declined to comment on the ongoing investigation.

    Messages left for Seigler at his home were not returned.

    Over the past several months, about 15 people who invested with Seigler signed an online petition stating that Seigler “has caused great consternation among some in the group” by not investing in the Global Pension Fund. The petition signatures are collected at ipetitions.com, an independent Web site.

    The petition asks that officials at Global Pension Fund “take appropriate action” to divorce Seigler from the program.

    Postal inspectors say they believe Seigler used some of the investors’ money to pay for his own investments, but largely had stocked the money in his Chartway account, according to the court records.

    Last month, the inspectors took more than $1 million from Seigler’s credit union account plus another $150,000 in cash from his home as well as 27 boxes of documents, two computers and a handgun, according to a federal search warrant unsealed this week.

    Agents also seized three brand-new vehicles Seigler purchased recently: two

    Chevy Malibus and a Chevy Trailblazer. When he purchased the vehicles, Seigler identified himself as a pastor with a church called “Talking by Faith Global Deliverance Anointed,” according to Brown’s affidavit.

    Public records show that Seigler held a Virginia home improvement contractor’s license from 2000 to 2004 and that he lived in Virginia Beach at the time. In 1996, Seigler and his wife filed for bankruptcy in Pennsylvania and emerged with their debts discharged, according to court records.

    http://hamptonroads.com/node/460156

    Comment by JH — 5th April 2008 @ 7:40 pm

  678. Well, well, well,..and all eyes are on GPP. How’s that ‘under the radar” thing working for them, now?
    Sorry, Stella can’t do refunds today,..she’s too busy feeding the paper-shredder.
    Maybe if she had answered an email once in a while, or made positive and timely and informative posts.
    I bet the post office is really interested in those First Oceanic Bank, and the Gertrude’s street triplets in Estonia, now.

    Come to think of it, since Siegler’s assets have all been seized, those who ‘invested’ in GPP through him, may be the “Lucky ones”. At least, they now stand to get some or all of their “investment” returned.

    Comment by zippy — 5th April 2008 @ 8:01 pm

  679. Kind of makes you wonder if GPP will pull a Houdini a little quicker now hoping they can get away without being caught. What do you think extan?

    Comment by EagleOne — 5th April 2008 @ 8:18 pm

  680. Blade68 you are just a lousy rotten troublemaker, your mouth needs its teeth slapped out, hope somebody can do that for you in slow motion, then you can better suck ice cream…!! You should also rather talk about GPP and mind your own business, I also would have liked to talk about GPP, i.e. that they are going to pay out for sure, it just needs some more time, think I made a few positive contributions but to no avail at all, negativo baboons start to howl, but with dummies like these, Einstein called it “the endless stupidity of the human race”.

    [Addition by Ben: Please can we just stick to GPP rather than make empty threats? I don’t want to have to start deleting comments and, quite honestly, I’m surprised you want to talk about beating each other up when the big news at the moment is that Mr Benjamin Seigler has apparently attracted the attention of Federal Agents… Pretty important news I reckon!]

    Comment by extan — 5th April 2008 @ 11:42 pm

  681. Well, well. The light on the Global Pension plan has been turned on! It has pained me to see that there were many who still lost their money. Dig this… These mere $40 perperson ahs added up to almost or more than a Million dollars. I remember someone telling me just to forget about the $40. Well your buddies have not forgotten about it. As seen here, they are. or were enjoying the fruits of their scam.

    As we can see, out of the three Extans, the ANGRIEST is the extan who is identified as the one in all lowercase letters. It’s almost funny!.. No, it IS funny – Perhaps this guy’s funds from the program may be slowing up). Take a look at the angry posts written by this one!! I think that you all will agree. Let’s watch ans see how nice he gets, now that he’s once again BUSTED! What a laugh…
    — As this is the case, I believe that the only mountain climed was the one that he made up. The oil that he provides is no more than that which is bought from his local service station. Yes I think that I may just have to discount some of these adventures and information. That’s just my take. Extan, I mean EXTAN, I mean extan, if I am wrong, I’m sorry.

    My friends,
    It’s funny, but now that this guy (Seigler) is caught, there will probably still not be any refund or anything such as that to us (or that other segment of those in the other Global plan). Tough the money may be seized, there will probably not be a trail to return anything back to it’s memebers. As mentioned for that plan, those hard drives and papers to include the websites, and names may disappear for real. Let me better say, I would not be suprised.

    I’m going to look up furthter info on Mr. Seigler. This should be interesting….

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 6th April 2008 @ 4:29 am

  682. Mike: From what I have read about Mr. Seigler, he never sent any money to GPP, but told those who sent him money he was going to do so. Most of the money is still in his bank account at his credit union. Once the authorities decide on just how many charges they will file against him, nothing will be done with the money. Since the bank account and all his assets are frozen, most of the money should be able to be sent back to those who sent it to him in the first place. Once it has been determined he received money for illegal activities and charges are filed, then the court can step in and take control of the assets. The court will appoint a receiver, and it will be the job of the receiver to identify all the participants, amounts of money they sent to Seigler, file their findings with the court and how distribution will be made, and then the court will either approve the receiver’s report, or request modifications be made. While they won’t get 100% back, they will fare far better than most who get scammed because they were able to freeze the money before it got spent by Mr. Seigler. Hope this helped.

    Comment by EagleOne — 6th April 2008 @ 4:48 am

  683. Hi Ben,

    Actually you must have noted that I’m talking about GPP and not Mr Siegler, or do you think he’s married to Stella? So are the others talking about GPP, normally just scamming it. It is your website, if you think I did not make a positive contribution then please delete all my posts and triple up Mikes negative ramblings, he keeps on saying that I lie and I can assure you that I DON’T. I had clearly explained that some unfortunate misunderstandings caused the wrong information and that I was sorry to have jumped the gun out of joy, but actually offices will be set up in that country for us to use and to trade oil, etc, no need to permanently stay there, you might have heard about commodity trading. No need to try, I will again be called a liar, pretty sick, is’nt it

    Mike I will not reply to you!! Have written EXTAN big because it is Sunday, raining and we are not able to hike or to cycle, maybe later when the sun comes out :-). I’m sorry for you!!!!

    Comment by EXTAN — 6th April 2008 @ 8:04 am

  684. Actually you should always use EXTAN when you reply. It is interesting that when you do your English is quite good compared to when you use extan in your posts. It also seems when you use EXTAN you play the good cop role, but when you use extan you play the bad cop role. Just observations.

    It will be interesting to see just which one of you shows up in a reply.

    Comment by EagleOne — 6th April 2008 @ 8:11 am

  685. That Mr. Seigler should be playing on the religious convictions of the public comes as no surprise. The vast majority of these scams in recent years have depended upon the gullibility of that sector.
    However, the good pastor appears to have been several bricks short of a load as he operated not only under his own name but from his own address.
    This is an accusation that can never be levelled at GPP who not only have no name (unless you consider ‘Stella’ to be genuine), and most certainly no address.
    But it will be the promoters and cheerleaders who will finally be brought to book. They are contactable and answerable to those whose money they have taken.

    Comment by Owen Platt — 6th April 2008 @ 9:14 am

  686. So whats in it, I mean ExTaN, big or small or inbetween, just purchased stuff via PayPal from the USA, battled for ages found one company that actually can/wants to export to SA, good for them! Needs some trust to buy like that, like hoping GPP will pay out, WHEN? Stella we are WAITINGGGGGGGGG!

    Comment by ExTaN — 6th April 2008 @ 9:20 am

  687. I would also like to know how many extans there are?

    Eagle and busting I wish I was close to you, then if you kept on saying that I lied which is absolute nonsense and derogative, then I could sort out things in a direct way to teach you a lesson, you would feel your eyes going blue and close up and land on the floor crying, mamma, please help me, believe me you would never open your mouth again, you are just hiding behind your computer!

    Comment by extan – April 5, 2008 @ 11:35 am

    Blade68 you are just a lousy rotten troublemaker, your mouth needs its teeth slapped out, hope somebody can do that for you in slow motion, then you can better suck ice cream…!! You should also rather talk about GPP and mind your own business, I also would have liked to talk about GPP, i.e. that they are going to pay out for sure, it just needs some more time, think I made a few positive contributions but to no avail at all, negativo baboons start to howl, but with dummies like these, Einstein called it “the endless stupidity of the human race”.

    Comment by extan – April 5, 2008 @ 11:42 pm

    As far as i know i have not caused any trouble, but could extan please list his “few positive contributions” because i must have missed them somewhere in all the threats and insults!
    Could we also have an interpreter for most of his ramblings?

    Comment by Blade68 — 6th April 2008 @ 6:30 pm

  688. Hi Blade, they could be two different people judging by the location of the different IP addresses:

    (1) extan at 11:35am:

    Pretoria, Gauteng, South Africa (ISP = Telkom SA Ltd)

    (2) extan at 11:42pm:

    Parow, Western Cape, South Africa (ISP = Telkom SA Ltd)

    Hundreds of miles between those locations as far as I can tell…

    Comment by Ben — 6th April 2008 @ 6:43 pm

  689. Thanks Ben,
    it gets abit confusing with more than one!

    Comment by Blade68 — 6th April 2008 @ 8:05 pm

  690. yet again bickering and bad mouthing is taking away from the real point of this blog and it is to discuss the scam or not scam of GPP as an investor in the scheme I so want it not to be but if it is I want to be as well informed as I possibly can be if further action has to be taken ie .. giving of id to Stella…or the routing out of the scam perpetrators ( if it is one) it does not help the situation the nasty bad mouthing of contributers from either side of the fence I understand that as an investor anxiously waiting on news emotions can run high.. also the infuriation of those who think its all a scam.. but is there any point of making it personal??????

    Comment by bridget — 6th April 2008 @ 8:07 pm

  691. Eagle,
    Thanks for the correction and info on Seigler. A sad situation indeed.

    Now for you Extans;

    EXTAN,
    Ok, perhaps I was wrong about Seigler being involved in this GPP scam. That however was a statement about a scam that I likened to this one.

    As for your monies that you state that you have earned, tell you what, good for you. Why do you think that we need to know this anyway? Any relation to GPP?

    Ok, you have written EXTAN in all caps because the moons of Saturn have alinged, whatever… You also won’t respond to any questions of mine? Now, what else is new? You’ve never done so anyway.

    ExTaN,
    In respect to the PayPal payment, are you saying that you are aware of such a payment?

    Ben,
    That bit of info on the two people acting as one is quite interesting. I’ll have to quickly end this post as “he” has learned how to travel several miles per second. He might instantly appear and slap around.

    bridget,
    I am somewhat embarassed by what are true statements that you’ve mentioned. We all want to know what has happened to our money, how many people Stella is comprised of, and how to track her down! I think that we have some involved entities here. I don’t see how someone can be so happy to be lied to for what is approaching a year (based upon the original supposed payout date). Haven’t we all had enough of this “just wait, it’s coming”,”the solution is around the corner”, and the rest of that nonsense? What is the supposed payout date now? Anyone know?

    Quick question to all…
    Based on the great information that has been provided, my question is:
    Would you buy another contract? Let’s put it like this… If you found a $100 bill on the ground, would you send it to GPP and look for your 100 – 200 thousand dollars, or enjoy it for something else? You know what my answer would be. What about yours?

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 6th April 2008 @ 10:27 pm

  692. yup mike i have sure had enough of the waiting on pay out date and wish i could just shut of and forget it as i was given the ”policy” as a gift i havent actually lost anything other than the dreams of what i would do when it pays out .. and perhaps a little of my faith in the fact that there are some good people out there and yes if it turns out to be a scam i will feel a tad foolish to have believed that it was ever possible that it could be true… when do we draw the line and finally admit to ourselfs that its never going to work .. If it does pay out I may not go great things for humanity but i will sure make a difference to those i love ….. but how long do we hang on ”being postive”….smiles if i found $100 dollar bill i doubt if i would ever invest in any other scheme i dont think i could go through the torture of wondering again .. i would simply spend it on a treat and enjoy:)

    Comment by bridget — 7th April 2008 @ 1:08 am

  693. extan: I almost fell off my chair I was laughing so hard at your wanting to have a “direct” discussion with me. Sounds like someone likes to talk tough when they are behind their keyboard, but would be a totally different story in person. How do you know that I am not 6’6″, 275 lbs, and ex-Special Forces? Kind of changes things now doesn’t it. So send in the other EXTAN so we can have a civil discussion instead of this second grade diatribe of yours.

    Comment by EagleOne — 7th April 2008 @ 3:58 am

  694. Tried to make extan in italics, but I suppose we have to wait for Google to bring out an advanced browser.

    About Stella, she is complainig about all those wrongly filled in refund application and that will take another 2 weeks, I know everyone including Ben will say she is just wanting some more time, scam, scam, scam, but since I have a similar experience with our students handing in the wrong layouts, about 90%, can’t correct everything, I know how frustrating and time wasting it is to work with such people. Incredible how many humans are like that! Nobody can help because they do not know how to do it.

    BEN, thanks for posting my 2 “angry” post again into the current page, one can see the dates differing. About me being in Pretoria and Parow at the same time, nice try, both wrong but sometimes I’m dreaming about flying, must practice to get going 🙂 . Actually I studied in Pretoria and have lived in Parow, not anymore, now live in a more upmarked place with a beautiful and extra super girlfriend! Rather talk positive about GPP… instead of searching in the wrong places… my real name can be found on the internet, only good stuff, no criminal stuff.

    Eagle I’m only 95 – 100 kg, those 250 kg guys need to eat less 🙂 !!

    Comment by EXTAN — 7th April 2008 @ 9:41 am

  695. “BEN, thanks for posting my 2 “angry” post again into the current page”

    Wasn’t me – check again and you will see that…

    As for you being in two different places, that’s what your IP addresses suggest.

    However, comment #693 was made using a third IP address – this time in Cape Town!

    Comment by Ben — 7th April 2008 @ 9:56 am

  696. Sorry Ben, I see it was Blade68 that pasted it in his letter for maximum effect.

    Cape Town is wrong again, may I help, now I’m here in Bellville South, nothing to hide, but we also have a campus in Cape Town central, and other places, same name, but merged since about 2 years! Telkom is the “umbrella” provider for the international internet connections but we now have a new provider.

    You know, it is really funny how GPP seems to be understaffed, so it will take a little longer, obviously we all want the money yesterday!

    Comment by eXTAn — 7th April 2008 @ 10:25 am

  697. Well extan, even though GPP is understaffed, you seem to be pulling your weight in supporting it. “Stella” is sure glad to have someone like you to keep the dream(scam) alive. And now since you’re also capable to muliply, you can put in double the effort and it shouldn’t be any problem at all for GPP to deliver.
    You didn’t answer any of my questions about GPP, why is that?
    But why would you, after we, the critical people, are just “negativo baboons” and “dummies” according to you, and we should get our asses kicked by you. Am I right?
    Here in Finland (you know, birth place of stella), forex scam came in to light, leaving some 10000 people scammed and 50mil.€ dissappeared. One of the main culprits of this scam was also one of the biggest promoters of GPP in Finland. Makes you think, does it?
    And now GPP is being investigated by authorities, since GPP doesn’t have a license to sell insurances in Finland. But I guess those police officers are just envious bastards, right extan?
    On a serious note, anyone who is still promoting GPP, is either extremely stupid, stoned, or part of the scammer group.
    Which one are you, Extan?

    Comment by Rokka — 7th April 2008 @ 4:05 pm

  698. You know, all of these different extans are really confusing us! One actually sounds as if he has some sense, but the other 2… well I don’t know… Also, am I mistaken, but is there a 4th extan that has come on the scene!?!?

    Look, there is no need to attempt to identify yourselves as one person. Identifiy yourselves as individuals so that we might know which of you to address…

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 7th April 2008 @ 10:39 pm

  699. Is anyone familiar with what is going on w/ GPP today? Did I read something about a further delay or even addtioinal monies that were needed?

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 7th April 2008 @ 10:48 pm

  700. Mike: Nothing on the official forum, but some stuff posted in German and I think Norwegian, Finnish or Swedish. Since I don’t read or speak, not sure what it was. One was by Stella and the other by Neverland.

    Comment by EagleOne — 8th April 2008 @ 7:55 am

  701. Well interesting, everyone can talk derogative about me, call me whatever and Ben deletes my posts, I should not stand by my positive stance, good for you, GPP will pay out soon and we will laugh at you. Seems you can’t take the truth like his highness Mr. Mugabe!

    Comment by extan — 8th April 2008 @ 10:01 am

  702. I see Blade68’s derogative rumblings about me were also removed, thanks, what about EagleOne’s though I think he is an ok guy! I guess nothing can be said about GPP because they will pay out, just call me stupid, I’m not.

    Comment by extan — 8th April 2008 @ 10:19 am

  703. Mike here is extan no 5,5. or if you want no 7, 9. News is that no money has recently flown into GPP, it’s static, so everyone is just waiting, by the way if you treat me well then I’m also extan A1 all the same, no use to try to get rid of me, I’m much too positive!!!

    Comment by extan — 8th April 2008 @ 12:46 pm

  704. I think Neverland made a better job of translating Stellas latest “frustration” letter into German to make it better understood, Stella and Co. probably never thought that they would battle like they do, but soon I suppose everyone will be happy, obviously not the negative types. No more posting here, just me?

    Comment by extan — 8th April 2008 @ 2:38 pm

  705. “I think Neverland made a better job of translating Stellas latest “frustration” letter into German to make it better understood…”

    No surprise since he probably wrote it to begin with. lol

    Comment by JH — 8th April 2008 @ 4:03 pm

  706. I’m at home just before going to hike in the nearby woods, I’ve heard someone say Ben wants this blog to be only for the purpose to prove that GPP will fail, that’s why he deleted my posts!! Good luck!

    [Addition by Ben: Just over 2 hours ago “you” already had a go at me about deleting posts – don’t you remember? Or are you somebody else posting as “extan” this time? The different IP address would suggest that this is a different person to the one who posted at around 1438…]

    Comment by EXTAN — 8th April 2008 @ 4:51 pm

  707. Eagle, if you have something concerning this scam in finnish, I can do the translation. Always enjoy a good laugh now and then.
    That’s why i enjoy extans comments as well.

    Comment by Rokka — 8th April 2008 @ 7:04 pm

  708. Not to worry, extan. They’re under investigation now, and all those over “the radar” bad-guys, and disenfranchised law enforcement people have tuned into the words of “Stella”.
    It’s only a matter of time, now, and OBVIOUSLY, there will be no banking solution if the entire program is under scrutiny by the US feds. They will not have a single corresponding banking relationship! No other bank will put themselves in such a position to be included in that scrutiny.

    Comment by Zippy — 8th April 2008 @ 7:41 pm

  709. Rokka: It was on the GPP member forum where I saw the info posted. Neverland posted one I think in German, and Stella was the one who posted it in one of the Scandinavian languages. If you can’t access, let me know and I’ll do a C&P for you to translate.

    extan: Since you insist, you are stupid. Now does that make you feel better? Just trying to oblige.

    Comment by EagleOne — 9th April 2008 @ 12:47 am

  710. Extans,

    What basis do you get this info that makes you so positive? I see no financial basis for your claims..

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 9th April 2008 @ 1:29 am

  711. Eagle: I don’t have access to forums, so C&P it in here and I’ll translate.
    Some news from Finland today: Finnish national bureau of investigations started investigating GPP on suspicions of illegal pyramid game and illegal money collection. I’m sure finnish authorities are not the only ones investigating GPP. Any thoughts on that, Extan?

    Comment by Rokka — 9th April 2008 @ 9:14 am

  712. well, if the FED’S are on the heels of GPP, we can probably thank you negative guys, because the FED’S are working for Mr Bush and the CIA with the expressed job to make sure that the poor people do not get rich, because that would be a huge problem for the rich, having less poor mans tax to play with. Ronald Regan put it like this:” If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops, (the rich people) then subsidize it.”

    Comment by extan 1 - 5 — 9th April 2008 @ 12:28 pm

  713. GlobalPensionPlan.TK Forum has been suspended. Anyone knows why?

    Comment by snartmor — 9th April 2008 @ 1:03 pm

  714. TK forum? looks like they just have put some stuff into the admin file, so the feds can’t catch them, what utter rubish 🙂

    Comment by extan A1 SA — 9th April 2008 @ 3:09 pm

  715. Extan! Shake your head! Reality Bites! It has nothing to do with Bush, or the CIA, or the bad banking authorities, or hackers, or whatever lame excuse you’ll here from the “Stella-Camp”.
    The Fed’s are investigating Siegler which led them to GPP and they want to know why people would send money to an entity with no contact name, address or phone. Now, there’s a surprise!
    Stella knew what Siegler was doing, in his redirecting GPP memberships into his own bank account, so, why didn’t she take legal action to stop him?
    Because GPP is not legal, itself?
    Hmm, maybe you should blame Stella,…not anyone else.

    Comment by zippy — 9th April 2008 @ 4:41 pm

  716. Finland’s NBI probes another online pyramid scheme

    9.4.2008 at 13:57

    Finland’s National Bureau of Investigation (NBI) is investigating another suspected online pyramid fraud scheme, Tampere-based daily Aamulehti reported on Wednesday.

    According to the paper, the scheme is called Global Pension Plan. The NBI had said earlier it was probing an online “investment” scheme named WinCapita.

    “This is a cross between pyramid marketing and an illegal lottery,” Jouni Laiho, a senior civil servant at the interior ministry, was quoted as saying by Aamulehti.

    Mr Laiho told the paper that thousands of Finns had probably lost their money.

    Global Pension Plan is marketed on the internet as a retirement pension scheme costing as little as 30 euros. Punters are told that they will be paid a pension of 55,000 euros on a vague future date provided at least 100,000 sign up to the scheme.

    http://newsroom.finland.fi/stt/showarticle.asp?intNWSAID=18459&group=General

    Comment by JH — 9th April 2008 @ 5:25 pm

  717. Press release from Finland’s Insurance Supervisory Authority.

    4.2.2008

    FUNDRAISING SYSTEMS ARE MISLEADINGLY MARKETED AS INSURANCE POLICIES

    The Insurance Supervisory Authority issues a warning for the general public about various pro-grammes and arrangements marketed on the Internet and through other means, in which money is collected and the customer is falsely led to believe that it is for insurance operations. In truth, the programme or the arrangement is about something completely different.

    The Insurance Supervisory Authority has become aware of websites which offer the possibility to join a so-called Global Pension Plan programme. In the presentation of the programme, the words “pension insurance” are used. According to the description of the programme, the investment group will take out insurance for those joining the system and pay them either EUR 55,000 or EUR 110,000. The people behind the investment group are not identified, nor are the name or home state of any insurance com-pany involved in the programme mentioned.

    Other, similar arrangements may be offered on the Internet.

    According to available information, the Global Pension Plan programme and any equivalent arrange-ments are not involved in legal insurance or insurance intermediary operations.

    Below is a description of how to check if an insurance company or an insurance intermediary is appro-priately registered and what information must be included in marketing materials. If the required in-formation about the product marketed or its provider is lacking, there is reason to suspect that the product in question is not an insurance product and that the arrangement is illegal.

    An insurance company may operate only under licence

    The insurance business is a regulated industry and may be practiced in Finland only by a licensed do-mestic insurance company, or an insurance company of a country belonging to the European Eco-nomic Area (EEA) that has established a representative office in Finland or submitted a notification of free provision of services to the Insurance Supervisory Authority. Insurance companies from outside the EEA, so-called third-country insurance companies, are required to hold a licence and to establish a representative office in Finland.

    Information on insurance companies operating in Finland has been entered into registers maintained by the Insurance Supervisory Authority.

    The Authority’s website (www.vakuutusvalvonta.fi>Customers>Companies under supervision) includes lists (in Finnish) of all domestic insurance companies operating in Finland. Information on domestic and foreign insurance companies listed in the registers can be acquired from Maarit Lensu, Planner, who maintains the regis-ters, tel. +358 (0)9 4155 9540.

    An insurance intermediary must be registered

    Insurance mediation, e.g. operations as an insurance broker or an insurance company’s agent, is also a regulated business. The registration and data on an insurance intermediary can be checked from the register of Finnish insurance intermediaries, which is maintained by the Insurance Supervisory Author-ity and is available (in Finnish) on the Authority’s website at (www.vakuutusvalvonta.fi > Customers > Insured / policyholders > Insurance intermediaries’ activities).

    An insurance company’s duty of disclosure in marketing

    In its marketing, an insurance company must provide the customer with all information on the mar-keted insurance that may have significance when the customer makes decisions concerning the insur-ance. In its marketing, an insurance company may not give false or misleading information or other-wise use any methods that are inappropriate vis-à-vis the customer or that are contrary to good prac-tice. Marketing that does not include information needed for the customer’s financial security must always be considered inappropriate. The information that the insurance company must disclose to the insurance applicant prior to signing a contract is separately regulated by the Insurance Contracts Act. Furthermore, in its marketing, a foreign insurance company must state its name, corporate form, home state, head office address, and the address of the office or branch with which a prospective insurance contract would be made.

    An insurance intermediary’s duty of disclosure in marketing

    Prior to signing a contract, an insurance intermediary must state to the customer, among other things, his or her name, the visiting address of the intermediary’s office, and in which register of the insurance intermediaries he or she is registered and how the registration can be verified. In his or her marketing, an insurance intermediary must specify which insurers he or she represents and, when marketing a single insurance product, which insurer’s product it is. Regarding the product, the insurance intermedi-ary must provide the same information as an insurance company. In his or her marketing, an insurance intermediary may not give false or misleading information or otherwise use any methods that are inap-propriate vis-à-vis the customer or that are contrary to good practice.

    For further information, please contact Erja Rautanen, Director, tel. +358 (0)9 4155 9620 or Timo Peltonen, Head of Unit, tel. +358 (0)9 4155 9646.

    http://www.vakuutusvalvonta.fi/s/f/editor/attachments/ENG_1_08_FUNDRAISING%20SYSTEMS%20ARE%20MISLEADINGLY%20MARKETED%20AS%20INSURANCE.pdf

    Comment by JH — 9th April 2008 @ 5:29 pm

  718. JH,

    I suspect that this says it all!

    Extans, any comments?

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 9th April 2008 @ 6:20 pm

  719. “Q: What should I tell people if they say: “It is too good to be true”?
    A: As mentioned earlier, this program is more or less once in a lifetime opportunity. Any interested party should do their own due diligence prior to making a decision for participation. At Global Pension Plan, the prospective members are either familiar with this type of program or have received materials and briefing through an existing member, their sponsor. A question probably rises: “Why should anyone spend the time and effort to promote a bona-fide program that doesn\’t earn profits during the progress?” The answer is easily found from the difference between the wealthy class and the working class, which is that the wealthy class knows how to make their money work for them even during their sleep, while the working class uses their money to spend on what the wealthy class wants them to spend it on. The way the wealthy class manage to maintain and improve their level of wealth is by providing only limited opportunities for the working class, while keeping the privilege opportunities for themselves. This is what you have heard as “The rich getting richer”.”
    Previous text is quote from GPPs FAQ page.
    Did you write this one, Extan?
    So, anymore conspiracy theories?
    If GPP is legitimate company with nothing to hide, it should pass any inspection by authorities without any problems.
    The more I read Extans ramblings, the more I’m convinced that he doesn’t believe a word he writes. He’s either 1)one of the scammers behind GPP, or 2)just paid by them to write some BS on forums. Or option number 3, he’s just incredibly stupid.
    Lets take a poll. Eagle, Zippy, Mike, which option do you think applies to Extan?

    Comment by Rokka — 9th April 2008 @ 6:55 pm

  720. You naive humans! Don’t you realize that the Finnish government is secretly controlled by those little concrete garden gnomes? This contrived interference with GPP’s program is all part of their evil plan to keep the little man enslaved to continue to produce them until they reach sufficient numbers to once again reclaim the Earth!

    Don’t believe me huh? See the TRUTH!: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsA9Mm8KefU

    (Hey, it makes as much sense as ExTan’s conspiracy theories.)

    Comment by JH — 9th April 2008 @ 7:25 pm

  721. extan: Grow up. If you are going to quote someone, quote them correctly. Ronald Reagan never said any such thing. Quit trying to twist things to suit your agenda. If you can’t be honest about quoting other people, you cannot be honest about anything else either. It is called lying, and you were just caught doing it again.

    So please come back and tell me how you got it wrong when you quoted Reagan, and it was someone elses fault for your misquoting him; and oh yes, you didn’t lie. Don’t you think it is about time you graduated out of first grade?

    Comment by EagleOne — 9th April 2008 @ 7:27 pm

  722. Rokka: First, the post I referenced was just the Swedish version of Stella’s update about the December refunds, so no need to paste it here.

    As to your survey: All 3.

    Comment by EagleOne — 9th April 2008 @ 7:34 pm

  723. Rokka,

    I have to say that I agree with both 1 and 3… No, I actually believe that this would be 1,2 and 3.

    1) I have always suspected that one of the extans was Stella.

    2) As there are so many extans’ I suspect that the other 2 or 3 are pumpers of course directly related somehow. Come on now… Why would anyone have IP addresses miles and miles away from each other? Not only that, bust MOST TELLING, what is the deal with all of the iterations of extan (the caps and lower cases)? ITS NOT 1 PERSON.. That’s the answer!!!

    3) I’d say that it is actually that they think that we are stupid. We are not. Hopefully we are helping others from falling prey to this scam!

    Extans’,
    I was at first hesitant to believe that you all had anthing to do with this, but I can no longer say that. Lies, nonsense about your road trips, other things used to distract, not answering pointed questions, several of you acting as one person, and several different IP addresses identifing several locations…. Well let’s put it like this. If I knew all of this about a person, I would not tell him/her/them, to hold my wallet. My cash, identity and credit I would think would be in extreem jepardy.

    Again, if I’m wrong (I doubt it), I’m sorry, but I am very weary about you all.

    I forgot that you said that you wouldn’t answer my questions, but what are your thoughts about GPP getting busted in Finland?

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 9th April 2008 @ 8:59 pm

  724. One of the fun things about extan, or whatever version you want to use in spelling, you get the full gambit. First for, then against, then maybe, then wait and see, then not sure, then absolutely sure, then Stella is a fairy, then extan is a fairy (just see if you were reading this extan). Would be nice to “know” which “one” you are addressing. Kind of like being in a masquerade ball, and you don’t know who is underneath the mask. Or maybe extan just has multiple personalities, and needs help.

    Comment by EagleOne — 9th April 2008 @ 9:35 pm

  725. I’ve been saying Extan is a part of the scam for a long time.

    Comment by busting gut — 9th April 2008 @ 10:42 pm

  726. Busting,

    Quite seriously, as I memtioned earlier, I’ve suspected this for months now.

    I’d be amused to see if they even post again with the info that Finland put out! I can almost hear their gears spinning…

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 9th April 2008 @ 11:41 pm

  727. Actually I was hearing shredders whirring with the news out of Finland. FYI: They won’t be the last either. So much for trying to stay under the “radar of governmental agencies.”

    Comment by EagleOne — 10th April 2008 @ 4:45 am

  728. Finland’s Ministry of Interior has ordered Finland’s National Bureau of Investigation (NBI) to investigate GPP. The Director of the FIA has already stated that GPP is not a licensed intermediary, as it is required by law. So much for staying “below the radar of the authorities.” Just so you know I can be positive extan, I am positively glad to see the Finnish Government positively taking action in regard to GPP. I am positive that other countries will be doing the same thing, if not already. I am positive they will get to the bottom of GPP, and it won’t be long until we have positive news as to who really is behind GPP, and positively who Stella really is.

    Hey, this being positive is a lot of fun.

    Comment by EagleOne — 10th April 2008 @ 9:25 am

  729. conspiracy theories, haha how stupid can people really be, did you know about those little transponders that Motorola produces to put under the soldiers skins to monitor their whereabouts and when a doctor tries to take that out some poison expoldes and kills that solder, you may be the next in line, now call this nonsense!! Call it mark of the beast as stands in the bible?

    And Regan was quoted correctly on Yahoo, hope so! Eagle, get a life, you can do better than trying to offend me! Mike I have nothing to say to you, OK? What happens in Finland is ok, or whereever, GPP can probably prove that they operate legal, I would also not give my address with so many lunatics on this earth that would try to visit them and just cause sick trouble, that’s the whole problem, one can so clearly see this problem on ignorant humans on this blog!!!!!

    Comment by extan A1 SA — 10th April 2008 @ 9:45 am

  730. I would also not give my address with so many lunatics on this earth that would try to visit them and just cause sick trouble, that’s the whole problem, one can so clearly see this problem on ignorant humans on this blog!!!!!

    Comment by extan A1 SA – April 10, 2008 @ 9:45 am

    This sentence doesn’t make sense; written by someone who is not an English speaker. I would like to add some more, but I don’t want Extan err extan enjoying too much of the attention given to HER by almost all the followers here.

    Comment by Kitz — 10th April 2008 @ 1:17 pm

  731. Kitzi, sorry if that sentence does not make sense to you, that’s the whole problem, don’t you think so? Maybe Mike also does not understand?

    It just means that for security reasons (for example GPP) it makes sense to hide away from the horrible morons of this earth, in particular if you have so much money stashed under your pillow 🙂 !

    Comment by extan — 10th April 2008 @ 3:28 pm

  732. I see now that almost all of the options in the poll about extan applied to him quite nicely. Of course, in the poll I assumed extan is one person, which is obviously not the case.
    So, another poll for you all, feel free to participate:

    Which extan is your favourite:

    1)High almighty, know-it-all extan
    2)crazy conspiracy theorist extan
    3)”must stay positive” extan
    4)human behaviour expert extan
    5)lunatic ranting, threatening, extan

    in my opinion, they’re all just as hilarious. It’s difficult to choose. You can also suggest your own extans, if I forgot some from the list.
    And not to stray from the subject too much,GPP Is,was,and will stay a scam and I hope our authorities prove it soon enough.

    Comment by Rokka — 10th April 2008 @ 4:57 pm

  733. I like : You are all sick and twisted, and if i was near you i would cut your throat and gouge your eyes just to show you how educated i am: Extan!

    Comment by Blade68 — 10th April 2008 @ 5:16 pm

  734. Since you want to play, extan here is what you quoted Ronald Reagan saying, and I quote you: “Ronald Regan put it like this:” If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops, (the rich people) then subsidize it.”

    As I said before, that is “NOT” what Ronald Reagan said. What he said was, and I quote: “The ‘government’s view’ of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.”

    As I said, you misquoted him and you lied. For someone who is “supposed” to be so educated, you sure are dumb.

    Comment by EagleOne — 10th April 2008 @ 6:03 pm

  735. Blade68: Lets call that option number 6.
    Here in Finland, big news of recent days are these two exposed scams, Wincapita and GPP. Estimated numbers about wincapita are, 10000 people participated and 69mil.€ gone with the wind, so GPP is nothing in comparison. One reason why GPP is now being investigated is that the same people(read:scam artists) who were promoting wincapita, were also promoting GPP. So, I think that extans shouldn’t focus their hate on the other scammers who drew the attention to GPP, instead of people who we’re smart enough to realize true nature on GPP: SCAM.
    I find it hilarious when extans blamed us, “negative people” for the fact that GPP is being investigated. It’s like the prosecuted criminal blaming the eye witness for his/her arrest…

    Comment by Rokka — 10th April 2008 @ 6:03 pm

  736. My two favorites are: “You are all sick and twisted, and if i was near you i would cut your throat and gouge your eyes just to show you how educated i am: Extan!” which came from a person who then said: “Eagle I’m only 95 – 100 kg.”

    Comment by EagleOne — 10th April 2008 @ 7:54 pm

  737. OK, OK – extan, EXTAN and eXtAn are not the most popular people making comments on this blog but I think we all know where we stand now so can we drop the fighting please?

    On the whole the only people who are openly backing the Global Pension Plan are the “extans” and Stella – fair play to them. I assume that the minute they stop believing we won’t see them again.

    But, this blog is about the Global Pension Plan and also the other semi-related “pension plans” such as the one Ben Seigler was so happy to promote relentlessly.

    Can we keep on topic please? Thanks

    Comment by Ben — 10th April 2008 @ 9:12 pm

  738. Speaking of RPP’s do any of you think that hthe word is getting out that all of them are SCAMS? I fear that this may not be the case. I’m sadened to thinkt that this must first get on prime time news to get people to wake up! No one is going to give you free money! You know, when you think of it, this would almost look like we are getting paid to get this money! Let’s consider this… The pension program is supposed to pay us this 55K. This 55K however is based on tomorrows deflated value of a dollar…. So, they are going ot giv us today’s value of a dollar (which is worth more than 40 yrs from now), and give it to us now? HA!

    Let’s think of it like this… In 1975, you could probably by a brand new car for $3500. Today, let’s say that you’ll need $20,000. We can easily see that the cost to buy something increases. So in 1975, if i could obtain this (tomorrows $dollar value), and use then, you would have been able to buy almost 6 cars.

    Perhaps, I’m thinking of this incorrectly, but RPPs are scams bottom line.

    I’ll be no one, NO ONE, can tell us of one that has paid one dollar back! When I say one dollar, I mean 1 dollar!!! They too have been jacked!

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 10th April 2008 @ 10:46 pm

  739. All,

    We have yet another extan to join the group…

    Welcome extan A1 SA!

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 10th April 2008 @ 10:49 pm

  740. Rokka: Look forward to your keeping us informed on what is happening in Finland with the investigation of GPP. Don’t be surprised if you see a few more countries in the region doing the same.

    Comment by EagleOne — 11th April 2008 @ 2:22 am

  741. So Eagle where is the real difference in the quote besides the obvious enclosed addition, which is obviously not included in the quote, it beats me hands down!!

    And Ben is complaining, because it’s your “find the scam” blog, that’s why, your followers always looking for trouble and I have always talked about GPP so what is your problem?? Can they stop sobbing???

    [Addition by Ben: Complaining is not the right word to use if you are referring to my post yesterday. I just wanted the bickering to stop and the comments to be solely about GPP and other reverse pension plan schemes. I asked politely – no complaining involved. Comment on GPP or go away – that’s all I have to say. And extan, stick to the same username please – when you change it I have to manually approve your rants because they get caught in the moderation queue. Thanks, Ben]

    For the rest I can just laugh for so much nonsense, can rather spend my time better!

    Comment by always extant — 11th April 2008 @ 1:18 pm

  742. Nothing new here in Finland, since the investigation is still ongoing.
    When the news about investigation being launhced came to light, these few “get rich quick”-scammers who were promoting GPP in here, removed from their sites everything concerning GPP. Or their sites dedicated to GPP dissappeared. Probably not a coincidence.
    One doesn’t have to do much research to find these kind of RPP-scams over the internet. Check out the link where you can find most of these scams:http://heatherwolfnetwork.blogspot.com/
    All of these programs mentioned on the site are identical to one another. They all look about the same bullshit as GPP.
    This womans page is just about hilarious as extans comments.
    It would be better to invest your 30€ in to lottery, there at least you have a chance to win, how ever minimal is that chance to win a big amount of money. I’m betting that extan(s) will come out telling that lottery is just a scam, and with his vast knowledge about everything, he thinks GPP is the way to go. Just need to stay positive…

    Comment by Rokka — 11th April 2008 @ 2:34 pm

  743. About GPP let’s hope the FEDS get their heads washed if nothing can be found, but sure they will plant something incriminating, well known for it!

    Blade68
    BEN asked me to keep to GPP or to go away, I suppose you can write about “and if i was near you I would cut your throat and gouge your eyes” nothing about GPP and that is ok with BEN, so that shows clearly that any positive post is not wanted by Ben!

    Just be careful if you arrive while I’m fast asleep, maybe then I snore so hard that you can’t do that job :-). As per Ben, just imagine that I can fly at the speed of sound being in Pretoria and Capetown 1600km apart within a few minutes, wow!

    Wish you a happy weekend!

    Comment by EXTAN: extant=still exist — 11th April 2008 @ 5:28 pm

  744. U too have a nice weekend, extan.
    just remember to come back on monday with new conspiracy theories that you came up with. But remember to stay positive, I’m guessing the iFeds are not working on weekend, finding ways to bust this scam called GPP.
    They’ll start to plant evidence on monday then : )

    Comment by Rokka — 11th April 2008 @ 7:34 pm

  745. Rokka: Interesting piece of news about people from Finland removing all reference to GPP from their sig line and websites that were previously promoting them. Can you provide any specific sites? Just curious. You know the supporters are going to claim unless you can “prove” this has happened, it is just talk. Of course they cannot post any “facts” that GPP has been cleared by several countries authorities, and GPP has paid out before but that is different. You see they can’t because of the NDA. Don’t you just love the convenience of the so-called NDA. ROFLOL! You would think that Stella would have posted all this on the member’s forum to help quell all the discontent in the membership. I guess the NDA prevented her from doing so. I mean, all legal companies operate this way.ROFLOL!

    Comment by EagleOne — 11th April 2008 @ 9:31 pm

  746. I don’t suppose that anyone has heard anything about this fictional payout. As a matter of fact, I have seen nothing in relations to such. Not even the lie that it’ll be here next week!

    Sad… I recall reading some posts back that stated that GPP would not be ready to make a payout for several months!!! Bet that was a big mistake on thier part. Especially, as they have already been stringing people along now for months to years!

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 11th April 2008 @ 10:26 pm

  747. Mike: The payout that I think you are referencing was not from “this” program of GPP. The person who posted this information is a known cheerleader of GPP & HCI25. He is not a member of GPP, but has family members who are members of GPP. He also said that GPP has been checked out by the “authorities” of several countries and given a clean bill of health as being legal. Of course he never mentions just who these countries are, or what “authorities.”

    His claim is that GPP has paid out before for one of their programs. Again only his statement they have, and of course no specifics are given. The general excuse given as to why they can’t reveal this information is due to a NDA (Non-Disclosure Agreement).

    Now only Internet investment companies seem to require these NDA’s, but not licensed and legal companies. Isn’t that convenient. What is so laughable is a NDA is not even enforceable in the context in which they claim it is being used. If that was the case, no-one could refer anyone into GPP. A NDA means you could not tell anyone about GPP in any fashion, or you would be in violation of the NDA. See what I mean that it is a “convenient” excuse but not real. Come to think of it, just like GPP is not real.

    Welcome to the world of “pie-in-the-sky” investments, but we are legitimate. We just can’t prove we are, but you have to take our word for it, because it would violate our NDA. ROFLOL!!

    Comment by EagleOne — 11th April 2008 @ 11:48 pm

  748. Here’s few “get rich quick” scammers pages, that went offline/removed info about GPP, immediately after investigation was launched:
    http://www.financia4us.com
    http://www.eskola.biz/

    And not to forget to mention GPPs finnish site:
    http://www.globalpensionplan.tk/fi/

    Of course, these scammers are not the sharpest knives in the drawer, so one can still find all the pages from google cache.
    That first site “financia4us” is run by Matti Karsama, and I think his name came up already before somehow being connected to this scam called GPP. This guy sure is quick to remove anything from his site that turns out to be scam(ie. wincapita&GPP).hmm, wonder why is that…

    Comment by Rokka — 12th April 2008 @ 8:13 am

  749. About the conspiracy stuff, GPP will have to contend with a lot of it, even if given a “clean bill of health”. Pity some of you are so ignorant about real life, I mean why for example did the USA go into Iraq and not into Zimbabwe, of course because of the oil which they now control, isn’t it obvious what game is being played and you also did not respond to the “mark of the beast” story because you know it is true.

    Anyway, some GPP downlines did some buying, so we will get more. What more do I need to say, did some serious hiking on table mountain, upper contour path, etc.

    Comment by EXTAn — 13th April 2008 @ 2:20 pm

  750. Hello yet again, even newer extan. Look, we don’t care about who invaded you on your mountain trip to ascension. What we want to know is where our money is.

    MikeCheck

    Comment by mikecheck — 13th April 2008 @ 4:05 pm

  751. The only conspiracy here is the blatant fraud by GPP and the attempts by some to legitimize it for what they think is to their own benefit. There will be no “clean bill of health” for it because it is a very obvious scam. And regardless how many may be lured into downlines, you won’t get any of it.

    (BTW: SASOL is PEOPLE!)

    Comment by JH — 13th April 2008 @ 5:53 pm

  752. I guess that GPP already had a good “bill of health” from some reasonable countries/quarters, you just can’t take that! E O pieriena sa xamga zwaz, some bushmen words for a good week, julle sotte, not comprehendo that GPP will pay out soon, but not yesterday. Mike you will have lost nothing! Scam Scam Scam in your head only!

    Have a good night…

    Comment by EXTAN — 13th April 2008 @ 6:56 pm

  753. Extan,
    Tell me how you know this, where you’ve read this.

    MikeCheck

    Comment by mikecheck — 13th April 2008 @ 7:25 pm

  754. “I guess that GPP already had a good “bill of health” from some reasonable countries/quarters”

    From where? You mean like the Somali-licensed virtual bank in Latvia they used to launder the money?

    lol What a joke.

    Comment by JH — 13th April 2008 @ 7:39 pm

  755. So, extan. What is the date that GPP is going to payout?
    Is it after all the investigations have ended,maybe…
    And, also if you can tell which “reasonable countries” provided GPP with good “bill of health”, I’d be curious to know?
    Any views about Finnish authorities investigating GPP?
    You do know, that they’re suspecting GPP of being an illegal pyramid scheme, and selling insurances without necessery liccenses…

    Comment by Rokka — 14th April 2008 @ 5:15 am

  756. Rokka: Since you mentioned Karsama’s involvement with GPP, there have been many involved since the early stages of GPP. Matti, Mika, Hannu (I think charged with financial fraud or crimes), Markku, and Aria. There may even be more. They are all old cronies of the Hatfield-Oak bunch. Now keeping this all in mind, Finland, Estonia, western Russia and Latvia are all sharing borders; so running from one country to another is not that big of a deal. So the 3 Latvian women are not that far from the Karsama clan.

    Adding to this mix is http://www.boulat.com, which is owned by Boulat Rafikov, which appeared about the same time as GPP, the early years. Stella, in an early post on GPP, named both Boulat and Finacia4us as “Partners” in GPP’s success. However, this post was removed shortly after the post was made. Hmmm, makes you wonder why doesn’t it.

    So who is Boulat Rafikov? Well, he is all over the net. He deals in many trade goods to Angola, but claims financial positions in Portugal, Canada, and possibly the Philippines. You also have Rafikov’s in Malaysia, Kuala Lumpur to be exact, who are execs of “IT” companies.

    You can also check out http://fipcor.com/pdf/Article5UK.pdf where you will find a report on Dr. Rafikov (not sure why he is listed as a Doctor) that is not too complimentary. In this article you learn that you can get an offshore bank account with absolutely no ID! Can anyone say First Oceanic Bank. Also check out this link: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-…/msg00077.html.

    It seems Rafikov’s connection to Canada is through Fikrat Rafikov who has a business in Toronto called http://www.blacklogic.com. One of his interesting characteristics of his business is you have “Absolute anonymity.” Hmmm, does this sound anything like GPP, and Stella? You can read the article here: http://www.feedrat.com/articledetail….+Personal+VPN.

    But back to the Rafikov in Malaysia. Ildous (Ildus) Rafikov is the CFO of Amica, and now apparently heads Nexus sdn bhd. There is a Rafikov acting as an official in 2 busy companies in Kuala Lumpur You’ll also find him here: (in Russia, doing muslim finance)
    http://www.inceif.org/study/cifp/cif…tPrefLangID=1&
    And here, promoting MM2H (Malaysia my second home)
    http://www.muslimbc.com/member/direc…Rafikov/ildusr
    http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:…lnk&cd=5&gl=ca
    And deals with the Germany business club here:
    http://germanybusinesshub.com/search…027&objtype=IF

    Interesting that Stella and the Trust just happened to go to Asia for their “banking solution” (at least that was the story) isn’t it. Speaking of Stella, she said she met with the Trust partners in Liechtenstein, and also the General Manager of the Insurance Company involved. The largest insurer, life and non-life in eastern Europe is: http://www.pohjola.fi/_MuutSivut/InEnglish/default.htm. Note the bank this company is connected with, and remember that Stella said the insurance company and the lending institution were owned by the same entity.

    What is interesting is that with all these Finnish, Latvian, Malaysian, Canadian, Russian connections, all you have to do is look to see who is “promoting” GPP and where they are from. Another connection is they all use a gmail E-mail account. Coincidence isn’t it. Throw in that Financia4us also was heavily involved in 12dailypro, promoted offshore bank accounts, as has TeamThemco, and toss in Jan-Knilles Groenhof and Pedro Dispenza, and you have quite a cast of interesting characters. At least GPP wasn’t lying when they said they were global, but that is the only thing they said that has been true. Now there is a lot more, but we’ll save that for another day. I almost forgot, we cannot forget extant from South Africa as being part of the cast of characters. Sure don’t want to slight him. He might get his feelings hurt, pout and possibly throw a temper tantrum if I failed to mention him.

    Comment by EagleOne — 14th April 2008 @ 6:38 am

  757. EagleOne: I’d be more than surprised too see finnish bank/insurance company Pohjola somehow involved in this scam. It is actually Finlands leading financial group with some 4 million customers.
    And from their site you can actually see who is who. You know, pictures of companys CEOs and contact details. This company have their own email adresses, so no need to use gmail, like Stella : )
    Pohjolas own assets are around 1,8 billion €, and debths and assets all together around 26 billion €. So, somebody remind me, how much moneyu was needed in order for GPP to payout to all 100000 (+extra insurance policies) members?!?
    I found one interesting article concering GPP in finnish newspaper:
    http://www.aamulehti.fi/uutiset/kotimaa/79319.shtml
    It is naturally in finnish, but in a nutshelf goes like this:
    GPP has been gathering money here in Finland at least for two years. Throughout whole this time,”company” has been providing members with additional policies. Few weeks ago GPP organised an info session in Helsinki, it was supposed to be a big event, but it shrinked to a small meeting of few hundred suck–,eh, sorry, mean people.
    This was mainly because main speakers of the event had to cancel their participation, why is that,I wonder. Maybe police investigation had something to do with it.
    Funniest thing about the story was, that organisers of the event actually sold lottery tickets for 10€ and one could actually win more insurance policies. That just cracked me up. Guess those people behind GPP need more cash and quick, ground is burning under their feet. Maybe extan should offer them refuge from to cruel world, and take them hiking or something. You know, somewhere where those evil authorities won’t find them 🙂

    Comment by Rokka — 14th April 2008 @ 9:43 am

  758. EagleOne, don’t worry, I have found a more interesting website that promotes positive political discussions within “negative surroundings” where everybody tries to rather leave the country. One should not try to make GPP bad just because one has nothing better to do, that’s your problem, you are a very very (extremely) sick bunch of people, sorry to say. Of course it is always possible to proof someting wrong even if it is not!

    Comment by EXTAN — 14th April 2008 @ 11:57 am

  759. Extan,
    Last I remember we were talking about the GPP scam, not politics.

    MikeCheck

    Comment by mikecheck — 14th April 2008 @ 2:33 pm

  760. Mike you don’t get my point, GPP will pay out, until then I better do something else than to waste my time here, you seem to have run out of steam like I got sick of this sotten blog 🙂 ?

    Enjoy your day and rather laugh a lot!!

    Comment by EXTAN — 14th April 2008 @ 2:49 pm

  761. Rokka: My bad. When I referenced the insurance company and the bank connection, I left off my clarifying sentence. What I failed to write was “I wondered if this is where they (GPP) got the idea of saying the insurance company and lending institution were owned by the same entity. You are right, this insurance company would not have anything to do with this scam. I apologize for making it sound as if I was insinuating they were.

    Was looking for extant to show up but got EXTAN instead. Even they can’t keep themselves straight. ROFLOL.

    Comment by EagleOne — 14th April 2008 @ 5:46 pm

  762. Extan,

    You do not quite understand… I’m mearly asking on what basis do you base the fact that GPP will pay out. You have not presented any. We’d all like to know!

    Run out of steam? Well, I wouldn’t say that just yet….

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 14th April 2008 @ 8:44 pm

  763. I guess all those connections I posted about GPP were too much for EXTAN, extant, extan, et al. I would have thought for someone who “professes” to be so smart, intelligent, talented, and gifted would have been able to follow along. Guess I gave them all too much credit.

    That was hilarious about the “presenters” canceling out of the GPP event. As you said, “Wonder what they were afraid of?” Others on other forums have assured all that this investigation by the Finn’s is no big deal, and they are not to worry. Guess they forgot to talk to the promoters of GPP who canceled showing up for the event as to whether or not it was a big deal. ROFLOL! I am “positive” that they all canceled due to fear of being quoted or recorded; just as they deleted all references to GPP from their websites. I am “positive” it won’t be long before GPP takes a powder. I am “positive” that all the variations of the Extans won’t see the “positive” in my remarks.

    Comment by EagleOne — 14th April 2008 @ 11:59 pm

  764. Eagle,

    Of course the extans will not see the “positiveness” in your statement. Talk about walking around with self placed blinders on. This however, would imply that they think that this would pay. They all know that it WILL NOT!!!!

    Everyone,

    Let’s take this into consideration… Why would several people try to act as one? Answer: they are all in on it and trying to keep the flow of funds going!!! THE FIFTH OF THE MONTH IS FAST APPROACHING!!! This is not just an insult to me, but to us all!

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 15th April 2008 @ 1:01 am

  765. EagleOne,
    It was reported on a number of forums that Stella’s last name was Pohjola.
    I tracked it back to a sarcastic comment made on a Swedish/finnish forum where one person had said something to the effect that GPP would need to own (and bankrupt) the Pohjola Corporation in order to do payouts.
    Some ppl still think her name is Pohjola, but I think that was just a joke.
    Unfortunately, sarcasm is difficult to translate.

    Comment by zippy — 15th April 2008 @ 4:26 am

  766. To all those gathering relevant INFO on GPP, I thank you from the bottom of my heart. It sure is nice to dream, but eventually, everyone has to wake up and face reality. Might as well be now than later, when the dream will turn into a nightmare! Reality bites often times, but hey, we learned, and we learn further, that in the midst of all these scammers in the world, there are still people who care about each other and look out for each other.

    Comment by Kitz — 15th April 2008 @ 4:49 am

  767. Zippy: I remember those statements being made too. Like you, I never believed it to be her last name. In fact, I am still not convinced Stella is a real woman. What I found interesting is how GPP seemed to be copying the concept of the insurance company and the lending institution (bank) being owned by the same company from the insurance company’s website information. You know the rule, take 10% truth and mix it in with 90% total BS and anyone will believe it all. Especially if you repeat it often enough.

    What is almost unbelievable to me is how anyone can say that all these posts being deleted isn’t any kind of a warning bell going off. Talk about being delusional.

    Comment by EagleOne — 15th April 2008 @ 5:04 am

  768. EagleOne: No need to apologize, I think I got where you were getting at. I think it was just a good way from “stella” to insinuate that they might have big insurance company/bank behind them without saying the name, and let people draw their conclusions. It’s,of course, So big BS, that you’d have to be really stupid, or blindly positive to believe it.
    To Zippy: It think it was reported somewhere, that “stellas” last name was Pohjola. One finnish guy, who is very familiar with online scams and MLM, made his on conclusions how scammers came to that name:
    Since scammers are keen to play these word games, lets see.
    first name:Stella=stella polaris =pohjantähti(means northern star)
    insurance company Pohjantähti
    Pohjola issues Pohjantähtis pension insurances
    And there you have it, Stella Pohjola!
    I know it’s quite far fetched, but so is the whole concept of GPP.
    Guy who came up with this “stellas” name, said he wouldn’t be surprised to find out that “stella” is actually a hairy finnish guy : )
    But telling any facts(or lack thereof), or reasoning with realities, won’t effect people like Extan, who just want to believe and stay positive. There’s nothing wrong about being positive, I’m also positive that people behind will be caught, or at least exposed…
    And to extan, one question. Which were the countries that reviewed GPP, and said that it is legal? You mentioned this before, but naturally didn’t provide any other info. So, if you’d be so kind to answer, it’s really a simple question, just name the countries.

    Comment by Rokka — 15th April 2008 @ 7:29 am

  769. Rokka,

    In respect to extan responding to simple question (which would be informative to us all), you may as well be talking to a rock.

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 15th April 2008 @ 1:16 pm

  770. Mike: You have to understand that all the extan’s minds are like cement. Already made up and permanently set. I am positive that is a correct assessment. I didn’t want the extan’s to think I was not being positive in my post.

    This notion that the deletions of posts, references to GPP in signature lines, deleting references on websites by the Finn’s is no big deal; and that the Finnish authorities are just speculating on how GPP operates, and just allegations should practice what they preach. They need to go back and re-post all the posts they have deleted. After all what are they afraid of, since the “authorities” in their countries haven’t announced any investigation into GPP?

    I am positive GPP will be lucky if they last until May before pulling a disappearing act, or just announcing they didn’t get the 100,000 required; AND THEY GET TO KEEP ALL THE MONEY.

    Comment by EagleOne — 15th April 2008 @ 6:04 pm

  771. Eagle,

    Yes, I’m feeling your meaning…

    Ha, a dissapearing act… Yea, I’ll give them June… A whole half of a year! What’s funny and sad is that you are right about the money. In any case, there will be some reason why this will not pay out. I think you will be right about the 100,000. They will say that this amount of people did not get in (eventhough we all remember when it was said that there were over 20K more people that came in). Hmmm, I think that this was the value. Nonetheless, this was supposed to be OVER 100K.

    I can’t wait to see the reason why there will be no payout. Actually I can. I’m really saddened and angered that GPP would fool us in their scam!

    It’s funny that Stella has not posted here lately.

    What’s the deal w/ the website? Anyone been in? Any “good” info?

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 16th April 2008 @ 12:18 am

  772. Rokka,

    The development of this name of “Stella”, was very interesting… Very interesting indeed.

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 16th April 2008 @ 12:21 am

  773. Mike,

    I asked a question from extan(s) to which I really wasn’t expecting an answer. Just wanted to hear some more BS about conspiracies and evading simple questions. And I think you own an apology to rocks, comparing them to extan might be considered insulting.

    And what comes to GPPs dissappearing act, it will happen most likely somewhere during this summer. All the signs are in the air, investigations, deletion of sig lines, scammers removing anything connecting them to GPP, no-shows of “key speakers” for GPP event, selling extra policies etc.
    I’m very positive that it will come to an end soon enough. Just how it is going to happen, is the question. Is it going to be just an vanishing act, that one day it’s like GPP never existed. Or, are we going to hear some BS excuses how the couldn’t fill the 100000 people target. Or, is it going to be some BS in the tone of extan, banks/big corporations/goverments/FBI/CIA/KGB or whoever, conspired
    against honest company like GPP, who is only trying to make peoples dream come true. Luckily “stella” was left with at least some money, that adminstrational fee of 30€ x ~100000 participants. So even though when GPP goes belly up and doesn’t pay out, there’s few million euros left for GPPs “hard work”. Not bad for few years work of just sitting by computer. I’d like that too, but I’m just too honest to do it…

    Comment by Rokka — 16th April 2008 @ 5:39 am

  774. Have found a more interesting website, very positive, just had a look at these posts, my oh my, you poor guys, but please enjoy your time. Might soon emigrate to manage a huge job together with my family, obviously on this sick blog it will be branded a lie, remember I can fly, maybe good for you? Suck your thumbs or whatever tastes like sugar!

    GOOD BYE

    Comment by EXTAN — 16th April 2008 @ 12:30 pm

  775. And now the good news from TeamThemco:

    GPP – Fill your Boots and support the ‘FSCF’ Initiative.

    Please see Stella’s post of today if you are still in the market for more Additional Policies you should take advantage of this latest opportunity.

    The sooner we can buy all the Additional Policies the sooner the programme can be closed, it would now appear. Yet another change of policy of course, but remember it is their bat and ball and they make the rules. Rules that will only be changed for a good reason and no doubt caused in this case by the need to acquire a banking licence to address the banking solution.

    A donation of €20/£15/$40 US will now contribute €114,000.00 to the ‘FSCF’ Initiative and blast the fund through the €15 Million mark and propel us towards the €20 and €25 Million targets.

    Just stop for a minute and consider the incentive that this gives Stella to bring the GPP programme to a successful conclusion!!!.

    Time to hit the Piggy Banks.

    Comment by Owen Platt — 16th April 2008 @ 1:23 pm

  776. “Friends of Stella’s Charity Fund”

    What a load of…

    “The sooner we can buy all the Additional Policies the sooner the programme can be closed, it would now appear”

    Goalposts being moved again.

    Stunning to think that some people still believe they will ever see any money from this dodgy scheme.

    Comment by Ben — 16th April 2008 @ 1:39 pm

  777. re the latest on the forum …..they have lowered the price of additional polices so that hey may be sold and get it all wrapped up .. i am sure that i read somewhere along the line when the additional polices were offered that tis would not interfere with the payout time scale of the origonal investors … sighs yet another sign … so very sad that it has all been a scam

    Comment by bridget — 16th April 2008 @ 3:22 pm

  778. I think it is only fair that the Finn’s put back their links to GPP and get these additional policies bought up so they can close this program. Where’s their loyalty?

    For those of you who weren’t sure if this was a scam or not, this latest update from Stella should have removed all doubt it is a scam. If this doesn’t do it for you, nothing will.

    Comment by EagleOne — 16th April 2008 @ 5:26 pm

  779. GOOD BYE to you too,extan.
    So good for you and your family that you managed to find another scam to run. You shall be missed, what is this sad blog going to be without your empty fact-free selfappraising obscure comments and your conspiracy theories.
    Have fun and you can also suck — —-(fill in the blanks as you please)

    Now that the final stage of the GPP scam has started (selling extra policies), scammers like extan are starting to dissappear. Unfortunately there are many more left…

    Comment by Rokka — 16th April 2008 @ 8:33 pm

  780. It’s becoming blatantly obvious that we are going through the final dying gasps of GPP. Whoever is running the Global Pension Plan is fully aware that there are still people out there so blinded by greed that they will send yet more money to buy the additional policies. I guess they want to just round it off with one final push for money.

    Over the next few weeks I imagine we’ll probably see the website disappear and then a load of questions:

    How can I find out who has my money from Global Pension Plan?

    I’ve been scammed by Stella – how can I find out who she is and where she is?

    Can I do a chargeback with eGold?

    And so on.

    Also, everybody that promoted this will slowly realise that the commission payments are never coming and that they have helped to draw more victims into the scam – probably including family members and friends.

    Very sad.

    Comment by Ben — 16th April 2008 @ 8:45 pm

  781. Always more suckers who will have to learn the hard way. If at all.

    I’ll sell nonexistent policies for half of what GPP’s charging. Special deal just for you guys. ; ) lol

    Comment by JH — 16th April 2008 @ 9:34 pm

  782. It just cracks me up that these members are still concerned about Stella’s “Not posting publicly” rules, yet puts up with Stella changing any rules, policies, or promises previously made on GPP’s behalf.
    What happened to closing on April 1st, and collecting members payout data?
    Whoops. Stella doesn’t know that it was only April Fool’s Day,..not April Fool’s Month!

    Comment by zzippy — 16th April 2008 @ 11:17 pm

  783. We can see that these extan clowns could no longer take it. Guess that they are preparing to break camp!

    Ben,
    You are so right. I’m sad that there will be others to get in on this game as it’s closing down. Yes, there will be many looking to get their money back, with exactly those exact questions. Unfortunately, Stella and Co. are on a beach in Africa somewhere enjoying a delicious drink.

    Yes, it is unfortunate that many did not realize the fact that this money being sent was to a bank with a one direction transfer of funds. In other words, money goes in, and you can’t get it out! I’d think that the people in downlines would be more susceptable to this loss of funds,as they have no idea of where the money is going.

    I truly can only hope that there will not be many more dollars coming in. I’m again angered that they would dupe people into buying a half price bogus contracts!

    If only I could think of some way to prevent others from getting duped in these last days of this GPP scam. I truly hope that they get caught.

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 17th April 2008 @ 1:35 am

  784. A friend of mine is has e-mailed me to find out if I received a similar e-mail like she received regarding a new URL for GPP. She also mentioned that Stella informed her about sending $28.25 Liberty for a debit card and each one needs to buy 2 since the limit funding on the card is $30K. Any of the readers received an e-mail like this? Cos I did not!!!
    She also mentioned that the new site is http://www.globalpp.biz

    Comment by Kitz — 17th April 2008 @ 3:29 am

  785. Comment by Kitz:
    “A friend of mine is has e-mailed me to find out if I received a similar e-mail like she received regarding a new URL for GPP. She also mentioned that Stella informed her about sending $28.25 Liberty for a debit card and each one needs to buy 2 since the limit funding on the card is $30K. Any of the readers received an e-mail like this? Cos I did not!!!”

    If text above is true, then the final stage of this scam has begun. I, among other people here, predicted this long time ago.
    In the end there will be another request for money, with some lame excuse and there you have it. So, now it’s 56,5$ that one has to sent, in order to get the money. Im’ betting that plenty of people realize it’s a scam and back away, but there will be idiots who will pay and that’s what “stella” is counting on.

    Some news from Finland(suspected country of origin for GPP) also:
    GPP is,at least in Finland, selling these extra policies on discount for 10€ each. This is done in order to speed the process along.
    Also there has been a letter circulating among finnish members at least, that is critisising high ranking official in Finlands ministry of interior. Name of the official is not mentioned, but he is thought to be legislative counsellor in the ministry. This guy has been highly critical of this GPP scam and other scams here in Finland along the years. GPP is also threatening to sue this legal counsellor for labelling them criminals. According to memberletter this might lead to “big compensation claims” from GPP. I’ve heard the same thing in every other bigger scam, be it multilevel marketing or pyramid scheme or any other scam. This counsellor speaks up, claiming that scammers are breaking the law, scammers get offended and threaten to sue, and in the end scammers themselves end up in court to be sentenced. Hope it happens in the case of GPP too.

    Comment by Rokka — 17th April 2008 @ 5:37 am

  786. “GPP is also threatening to sue this legal counsellor for labelling them criminals. ”

    Yeah, good luck. LOL In that case, they’d have to prove that they’re real. And a couthouse is the last place you’ll see any of those involved here (voluntarily anyway).

    The .biz site is at the same hosting company as GPP – Staminus – which is one of the companies that BlockDOS uses to house its services. Doesn’t mean that they are necessarily the same though. Someone could have picked that on purpose.

    Usually I’d say beware of logging-in using your id/password, but in this case you have nothing to lose anyway so… lol Definitely don’t send them any more money even if it is the same group.

    Whois is anonymous, but here is:

    Whois Record for Globalpp.biz ( Global pp ) Click to Edit Front Page Information
    Website Title: Global Pension Plan
    Title Relevancy 100%
    Meta Description: Global Pension Plan description
    Description Relevancy: 75% relevant.
    AboutUs: Wiki article on Globalpp.biz
    SEO Score: 74%
    Terms: 57 (Unique: 42, Linked: 37)
    Images: 6 (Alt tags missing: 6)
    Links: 20 (Internal: 17, Outbound: 0)

    Indexed Data

    Registry Data
    Created: 2008-01-26
    Expires: 2009-01-25
    Whois Server: whois.biz

    Server Data
    IP Address: 72.20.1.238
    IP Location – California – Sunnyvale – Staminus Communications
    Response Code: 200
    Blacklist Status: Clear
    Domain Status: Registered And Active Website

    DomainTools Exclusive
    Registrant Search: “WhoisGuard” owns about 308,394 other domains
    NS History: 2 changes on 3 unique name servers over 0 year.
    IP History: 2 changes on 3 unique name servers over 0 years.
    Whois History: 7 records have been archived since 2008-01-26.
    Reverse IP: 1 other site is hosted on this server.
    Monitor Domain: Set Free Alerts on globalpp.biz
    Free Tool:

    Whois Record
    Domain Name: GLOBALPP.BIZ
    Domain ID: D22872966-BIZ
    Sponsoring Registrar: ENOM, INC.
    Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 48
    Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
    Registrant ID: 8818427154C537D3
    Registrant Name: WhoisGuard Protected
    Registrant Organization: WhoisGuard
    Registrant Address1: 8939 S. Sepulveda Blvd. #110 –
    Registrant Address2: 732
    Registrant City: Westchester
    Registrant State/Province: CA
    Registrant Postal Code: 90045
    Registrant Country: United States
    Registrant Country Code: US
    Registrant Phone Number: +1.6613102107
    Registrant Email:

    Administrative Contact ID: 8818427154C537D3
    Administrative Contact Name: WhoisGuard Protected
    Administrative Contact Organization: WhoisGuard
    Administrative Contact Address1: 8939 S. Sepulveda Blvd. #110 –
    Administrative Contact Address2: 732
    Administrative Contact City: Westchester
    Administrative Contact State/Province: CA
    Administrative Contact Postal Code: 90045
    Administrative Contact Country: United States
    Administrative Contact Country Code: US
    Administrative Contact Phone Number: +1.6613102107
    Administrative Contact Email:

    Name Server: NS8.ZONEEDIT.COM
    Name Server: NS16.ZONEEDIT.COM
    Created by Registrar: ENOM, INC.
    Last Updated by Registrar: ENOM, INC.
    Domain Registration Date: Sat Jan 26 23:59:20 GMT 2008
    Domain Expiration Date: Sun Jan 25 23:59:59 GMT 2009
    Domain Last Updated Date: Thu Mar 13 12:29:11 GMT 2008

    The other site noted on the same server is 3year-education.com
    Whois here: http://whois.domaintools.com/3year-education.com

    Doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s related. No site there, it just rolls to globalpp.biz. Whois is fake:

    Domain Name : 3year-education.com

    Registrant:
    Name : Red Swan
    Email : batta444@safe-mail.net
    Address : 141, Spruce Drive 41
    Zipcode : 12345
    Nation : UK
    Tel : +44.909300092

    Comment by JH — 17th April 2008 @ 6:38 am

  787. I asked my friend to forward me the email. It’s not even $26.25 as prior stated. Just read below!! Wow, they are getting to be soo greedy. If they are real, they’ll just deduct the delivery off our money!!!
    Let’s find them!! And let’s warn everyone!

    THE MOST IMPORTANT NEWS IS THAT WE HAVE ALREADY AGREED WITH TRUST PARTNERS AND ONE LARGE BANK ABOUT THE ADVANTAGEOUS DECISION!!!
    At last we have received long-awaited banking licence !

    If you have not sent the Agreements and the ID copies yet, it is time to send it now and also to pay postal services.
    Please send documents in JPG format to global.members.support@googlemail.com
    Include your login in e-mail subject.

    Documents for cards issue:
    – passport
    – driver’s license
    – birth certificate
    – government issues photo ID card

    The bank will start issue the cards when we receive:
    – payment for Postal Delivery to our LibertyReserve account U6147814 in amount 28.25 USD per package
    (incude your login name in memo !)
    – electronic copy of documents

    Please note for security reasons we do not mail more than 2 (two) cards in one package.
    Each card has the nominal 30000 euros. With 2000 euros withdrawal limit per day.
    Thus, if the ammount of payments for your account is 110000 euros, it is necessary for you to order 2 packages with 2 cards in each one.
    In order to avoid delays we recommend to order all packages at once.

    Card issue will take up to 14-21 banking days. Then your cards will be mailed to you.
    PIN-code for the cards will be sent by us for security reasons in separate mail.

    After long negotiations with ours trust partners we have decided not to close the registration till May 15th .

    Comment by Kitz — 17th April 2008 @ 6:50 am

  788. For anyone in GPP, I would be very suspicious of this E-mail. It has scammer written all over it, but not GPP this time. If this were true, Stella would have updated the forum with this news, and she hasn’t. This is one time I would really wait to hear from Stella before doing anything. Just my 2 cents worth.

    Comment by EagleOne — 17th April 2008 @ 7:49 am

  789. LOL! What a joke this is.

    I thought that the 30 Euro fee to join the program was for the “banking solution” that included a debit card? That was what “Stella” had said at least.

    So basically they want another $56.50 from 100,000 people = $5.65 million. (And why do they show it in USD? lol)

    And the most glaring error… They seem to have forgotten that nobody has signed and sent in that lame “agreement” they hacked together yet.

    Dummies. lol

    Comment by JH — 17th April 2008 @ 8:05 am

  790. EagleOne – I’d agree but that is the e-mail address that they’ve used. I suppose soneone might have grabbed it somehow but seems strange that they’d have access to member’s e-mail addresses and also to GPP’s e-mail account.

    In any case, I hope nobody actually sends any more money to these clowns no matter who it is.

    Comment by JH — 17th April 2008 @ 8:11 am

  791. Ahhh… OK, I see now…

    The Liberty Reserve number is different. At least versus the old one that’s behind the sign-up on their site. It’s U9270694 on the site versus U6147814 in the e-mail.

    So they don’t really care what you send to the e-mail address. They just want you so send the money to some other LR account.

    Looks like a scam on top of a scam.

    Comment by JH — 17th April 2008 @ 8:34 am

  792. The following message I found in official GPP Russian forum (translated) – This is also mentioned in GPP Swedish forum:

    QUOTE
    This morning, many received a letter purportedly from GPP!
    This is a deception!
    Never enter your password!
    These are con artists!

    SITE NAME: http://www.globalpp.biz

    IF you have already entered, it is suggested to urgently change your passwords here!

    Thanks,
    cometa
    UNQUOTE

    Comment by snartmor — 17th April 2008 @ 9:05 am

  793. And they say, “there’s no honor amongst thieves”. This is getting very funny from now on. well, at least this latest twist can be used to postpone the payout day by GPP.
    I can just imagine what “stella” is going to announce: “Our computers were hacked by scammer, and they sent out this false request for money. Do not send any money to these con-artists, we are trying to solve the problem but it might take some time. We’ll provide info as to where you can send your money later. Don’t forget to buy extra policies while waiting.”
    There can not be any clearer signs that GPP is scam, and anybody with half a brain should realize it by now…

    Comment by Rokka — 17th April 2008 @ 11:09 am

  794. This is getting to be real funny. I didn’t post the whole e-mail that got forwarded to me, but this e-mail that came from gpp.biz claims that the bargain 10 euros per policy which was posted on gpp.net was from someone who hacked into the system.
    So, which one to believe? The 10 euro per policy or to send $28.25 per card to get the money??

    Comment by Kitz — 17th April 2008 @ 11:49 am

  795. Here, copied this from GPP.net

    Dear Members,

    Because of the slow demand for the Additional Policies, the Trust Partner has decided to lower the registration fee to 10EUR per policy. They’d like to get them all out of their hands before the approximate closure of the program.

    If you fancy having more policies, please make the purchase via C-Gold.

    We are in great hurry closing the program as soon as possible, because of we are facing a lot of resistance from different directions. I will update you soon.

    Regards,
    Stella

    Comment by Kitz — 17th April 2008 @ 11:54 am

  796. This is from GPP.biz (I logged in here to see what’s the difference and all they have on the forum area is the BIG NEWS about banking, nothing else)

    Dear Members,

    As you have noticed already, our site at http://www.globalpp.net has been inaccessible recently for a couple of days.
    The matter is that our domain address was compromised by a group of people.
    (we have found out who they actually are and have already submitted a petition!!!).
    They got short-term access to the server using our forum, but it’s already under our control.
    Therefore the forum is replaced with section of the menu “News”.
    They also complained to the domain registrar that we are spamming.
    So, we have no control over the old domain anymore.
    We have NOT posted any news about reducing the price of additional policies !
    Do NOT register and do NOT buy additional policies on the old site !

    Comment by Kitz — 17th April 2008 @ 11:58 am

  797. Kitz,

    Thanks for posting those notices.

    I think we can all see now that this is simply a very, very dubious attempt to squeeze some extra cash from the more gullible members of GPP.

    “Trust Partner”? What a crock of s***

    Comment by Ben — 17th April 2008 @ 11:59 am

  798. Scam over Scam… What a sad commentary. These clowns are trying to get all that they can out of this dying scam. Now at this point who would believe anything that is said?

    “Stella” sounds like she needs some money to buy her ticket out of there! Got to have money to do that…

    Stella(s) you scammed us all. We will find you however… We are not without intelligence ourselves…

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 17th April 2008 @ 6:06 pm

  799. Kitz,

    This is just outrageous! They are just too very much unethical! I hope that no one falls for this! I hope not!!

    I would hope that claimants would say, “tell you what, subtract this fee from my 50K dollars”.

    SCAM SCAM SCAM!!!

    No more money to them, for ANYTHING!!! If they would need additional money, they could surely take this $30 from these thousands that we were supposed to get!

    SEND NO MORE MONEY!!! Can somone post this in other posts… At least tell them to not send further monies to stop getting scammed!

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 18th April 2008 @ 1:13 am

  800. I have a bad feeling that it ends here!!! Stella and the Team will now slowly disappear, leaving us members speculating who compromised the website,which one is the genuine one, meanwhile enjoying additional payments from gullible members who are either buying cheap policies or who forgot that debit cards were supposed to have come with the paid memberships. What a way to exit!!
    I think we can actually report the accounts to Liberty Reserve and which ever e-currency they used and get them investigated as well!!!

    Comment by Kitz — 18th April 2008 @ 2:02 am

  801. What confuses and concerns me is the “bogus” email I received about the hacking…..they knew my first and last name. And yet, Stella on the GPP forum says the email with final instructions is bogus. How did the bogus people know my name??

    Comment by Magoo — 18th April 2008 @ 2:16 am

  802. This seems to say to me that GPP are the bogus people. They may have just messed up with what they wanted to say/do to get our money. As the saying goes, lies will come back on you an bite you in the butt.

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 18th April 2008 @ 3:20 am

  803. I am finding all of this a bit strange. Just too many things not adding up here. For GPP to have claimed they were “Professionals” and had a “Professional” IT Partner, etc., they sure haven’t proven it. Now either their system was hacked, which means it was not a secure site, or they have a saboteur in their midst to have obtained the database of members. Yet, Stella is supposed to be the only admin person in this deal. So was there a saboteur or was the website hacked?

    You have the extan’s exiting just as this bogus E-mail hit. Now this may be a coincidence or not, you had extan’s bragging the “family” was starting a new business venture, or so he claimed; but the timing is incredibly suspicious. Might be an explanation as to why he was so sure GPP would pay out. I am not accusing, just postulating.

    Then we have Stella who has supposedly made an update on the forum, but it does not appear. Only the reference from Neverland of what Stella was supposed to have posted on the forum.

    Don’t you think if you were the admin and the Trust, you would have been all over this immediately, and not sitting on their hands? This excuse we don’t do massive mailings falls flat when you have this kind of disruption in your program. It would have been the very first thing I would have done if I had been in Stella’s shoes. Now she is either dumber than a box of rocks, has no clue of how to perform customer service, or this is all part of the exit strategy for GPP.

    Think about it. GPP issues this new E-mail to get the members to respond, and then says it is bogus. They now can come and say becaue the membership responded to this “bogus” E-mail, they have compromised the program, and the Trust cannot complete the program. They keep the admin money, they get all the money from this “bogus” site, and they can shut down and blame the membership for the demise of the program. Real professional scammers. And all before the authorities start declaring this is a scam. I hope the authorities know just who GPP players really are, and can arrest them.

    There was a rumor on another forum that the Candadian authorities had arrested a big player in GPP, and found a considerable amount of money locally, and a lot more offshore. THIS HAS NOT BEEN CONFIRMED, and my only reason in mentioning it is, if true, might be shedding some light on all of these bizzare happenings of the last 24 hours. Hopefully we will be able to confirm if this happened or not shortly.

    But I really do think we are seeing the end of GPP, and it is playing out right before our eyes. The question is will we see it?

    Comment by EagleOne — 18th April 2008 @ 3:28 am

  804. true
    if they emails are “bogus” how do they know our first and last name???

    Comment by Magoo — 18th April 2008 @ 4:22 am

  805. Looks like someone grabbed their database at a point some time back so they have all of the information that’s in your back office. That’s how they have your names, etc. Not hard to do if the database isn’t secured properly. This latest and past security problems should make you feel very confident in sending in your ID to these clowns. ; )

    Comment by JH — 18th April 2008 @ 5:38 am

  806. Eagle,

    I must say your latest post says it all. I think all things are starting to add up finally. I said in my last post that this how it’s going to go down. I have no doubts about “stella and co” being professionals, not just in insurances, but in scamming people.
    All this about hacked email accounts, bogus emails, extra policies being sold, and additional requests for money.
    One option is, that “stella and co” decided that they got enough money out of this and withdrew. They probably sold GPP database, with all email accounts and names, to some other scammer who was willing to take the risk. Even after the investigations had started.
    These scammers have done a good job keeping participants of GPP guessing what’s going on. I think the end is near,question is does it come to sudden end, or just fade away when people stop sending money.
    What you said about extans exit is also true, timing couldn’t have been better, for him. Extan is most likely part of this scam, otherwise he would have stayed here to share his empty comments with no informational value. Extan knew exactly when shit is going to hit the fan, and moved on to another scam. But, I do miss his bizarre conspiracy theories…

    Comment by Rokka — 18th April 2008 @ 5:43 am

  807. Magoo,

    The site, GPP.biz is EXACTLY a replica of the GPP.net site, except for the forum part where there’s only one big announcement about how to get the debit card to finally be paid!!!

    Again, which one is real, you decide! One is selling policies at a bargain price of 10 euro (and this is NOT FAIR to me who paid 30, I should demand my rebate) or one is asking to pay your $28.25 for each debit card you order!!! Remember, the membership you bought initially should have included the debit portion!

    It just means, GPP is running out of excuses and are ready to bolt out, so they are trying to amass whatever amount they can get before they disappear! Please do NOT send anymore money!

    Comment by Kitz — 18th April 2008 @ 5:49 am

  808. to Kitz, quoting you
    :”Again, which one is real, you decide! One is selling policies at a bargain price of 10 euro (and this is NOT FAIR to me who paid 30, I should demand my rebate)”

    That’s the thing with discounts, Imagine buying, for example, a sweater for 30€ and some months later somebody else buys it in big discount sale for 10€.
    It is fair, you just happened to buy for the original price, while the other one waited for to price to lower and bought then.
    Of course, now you paid 30€ and didn’t even reveice anything in exchange, and neither did that other person who paid 10€.
    That, I think, is not fair. It’s called a scam.

    Comment by Rokka — 18th April 2008 @ 7:28 am

  809. Quite easy, we simply changed our passwords, it is because of people on this sick blog that people start to do funny things! On the GPP homepage it is clearly stated that the initial fee includes the issue of the debit card.

    Bye again!

    Comment by EXTAN — 18th April 2008 @ 8:03 am

  810. Hello, extan.
    Couldn’t stay away,huh? How is the family scamming business getting along?
    How about those countries that approved GPP as legitimate, which countries were those?
    It’s quite sad that your only comment about the latest developments around GPP, is to blame it on this blog and on the people writing here. I think that exhange of thoughts in this blog has been very civil for most of the time. It’s really arrogant and uncivilised to call people here sick, just because they do not share the same opinion as you. My opinion is that GPP is a scam, and I base my opinion on the info that can be found on the internet (ie. newspapers, statements made by (finnish) authorities, police) just with little research.
    Your opinion is that people should stay positive and wait because GPP will payout. Of course, you won’t provide any information on what you base your opinion on. I’m quite sure that you’re in on this scam or just very childish and simple person. Or, maybe you’re just a simple troll, and you want to get some attention here. Well, I won’t feed you anymore then, neither should anyone else for that matter.

    Comment by Rokka — 18th April 2008 @ 9:40 am

  811. During June I will probable send you a note from the north of this globe, Ben can trace me if this blog is still alive 🙂 hehe, will fly there from the south to probably manage a huge project. Have read some of the posts, also Ben’s…. hmmm, GPP will pay out unless the lunatics of this globe mess it up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mike, get a life, not saying any more, you are a sad subject!!!!!!!!

    Comment by EXTAN — 18th April 2008 @ 10:46 am

  812. I am trying to remain positive, but so many things just do not add up and look very suspicious.

    My recomendation is to not send any more money for anything. No debit card fee, no more policies, nothing, then we can see where this heads.

    What makes me more suspicious is how badly this PR disaster has been handled. If something this disasterous ever happens to a mainstream company, the people involved would drop everything else and sort the problem out. What also is a little dubious is how we keep getting left in the dark about the problems.

    As members, we should be privy to all info and other various happenings.

    I think regardless of what happens, this whole story is comming to an end. Be it a good end (hopefull) or a bad end (probably the realistic way it will end)

    Just my 2 cents worth

    Comment by Jason — 18th April 2008 @ 11:51 am

  813. 1 ray of hope perhaps……We have always very promtly received our refunds if there was a problem with new sign ups. Why would they refund if it was all a scam?

    Like I said trying to think positive 🙂

    Comment by Jason — 18th April 2008 @ 11:59 am

  814. Jason, good to be positive, just be careful on this blog they don’t like positive stuff even if your ideas make 100% sense. 1st the refunds get paid then the rest gets paid, the debit card will cost NOTHING, we have already paid!

    Comment by EXTAN — 18th April 2008 @ 1:39 pm

  815. Rokka,

    If I am well informed that later, there will be a sale of the product that I wanted to buy, and yet I still bought it, then it is fair. But I didn’t know they will sell them cheaply or I could have waited. That’s what I meant when I said ‘it isn’t fair’.

    As for Jason, sure, the refund is a marketing strategy. They fed on the goodness and trustworthiness of people. They knew that if they refunded money for so called failed sign-ups, readers will automatically assume they are honest, and will not be hesitant then to spend freely.

    Some thoughts, though? If money was refunded for failed sign ups, then all the rest taken are eligible for the pay-out, and she can’t use the excuse of failing to meet the 100K membership quota as the reason why we won’t be paid.

    Comment by Kitz — 18th April 2008 @ 1:40 pm

  816. No need to ever send in your ID, when requested on the real GPP forum, probably soon, then just send your birth certificate, guess the hackers don’t want to be born again, they want to be shot onto the moon!

    Comment by EXTAN — 18th April 2008 @ 1:57 pm

  817. It seems that Globalpp.biz can no longer be brought up as a website…Apparantly this is the bogus site and .net is correct

    This is not a pro or con for GPP in general just info….

    Comment by Ron See — 18th April 2008 @ 7:26 pm

  818. I am bugging out on everybody. Especially for those that fell for the phony website. Do any of the members ever go in on the GPP forum? I knew it was bogus because I go in everyday and I knew that the site had not been down. Not to mention, they told us a while back that they would not be sending mass emails. People only hear what they want to hear. As for those that are members and you are putting down GPP. Why even bother about being a member if you are not going to beleive? They are still there and to me if this was a scam,this would have been the perfect time for them to bail out. Not to mention if you believe that scammers refund money to build your trust. Send your money to the globalpp.biz and see if they will refund you if the sign up fails. What scammers have you ever heard of that refunds money. To me they could have kept all of the money a long time ago and then vanished…. If they are scammers at least they are nice scammers.LOL

    Comment by Ms.K — 18th April 2008 @ 8:01 pm

  819. Extans,
    Yes, no need to send any more information… We have enough names, emails, and additional information to sell already huh? I tell you, I recall giving you the benefit of the doubt as to you being a scammer w/in GPP.

    Jayson,
    Are you saying that you know of someone who received a refund?

    Everyone,
    I wonder if this news .biz domain is just a new scammer trying to take off from where the others are running from? What I’m saying is that if this is the same site, you’d think that they could safely transfer info from one site to another. THEY THINK WE ARE STUPID/

    Again a scam on top of another scam… Selling half price policies (on the other site)… Anything to get the remaining monies out there…

    So, let’s see… Which one is the scammer? Hmmm, I know! BOTH OF THEM!!! I believe that the first is the original scammer , with the other picking up the crumbs. THEY THINK THAT WE ARE REALLY STUPID

    What a sorry excuse to ask people to provide a new password. Got to set something up for the other segment of this scam huh?

    People, even if this was not a scam, why would they at this point cheat people? If we are to be paid anytime soon, why would they provide you with a refund as opposed to the 50 thousand that you were promised.

    So, the 50K is due to us now, but we can instead just take the $40. Hmmm. They must REALLY REALLY think that we are stupid!!!!

    I’m insulted. Extans, so six months later, you have any idea when the funds should roll? Really now, do you think that it is ok to keep people to be waiting like this for 2 and a half years? You have really wronged people, esp those who have been here for so very long.

    What else is going on anyone? Any steps closer to catching these scammers? Not to let them know what you know but if there are any possible additional leads?

    These extans… I hope that you had your good laugh at this.. I hope that you and Stella & co also get caught.

    Everyone,
    Notice, Extans keep telling us that they want to leave because they aren’t men or women enough to provide a good answer to a pointed question… Got to the point to where they could not answer any of them, without continuing to say that this plan will pay out. I suppose that if it is too hot, then get out of the kitchen. Guess that they have nothing to worry about. They were never in the kitchen anyway….

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 18th April 2008 @ 11:49 pm

  820. The same liberty reserve account number appeared on both site, the .biz website and the .net website. how possible? this shows that it is a scam.

    Comment by Gabriel — 19th April 2008 @ 10:09 am

  821. So Jason is positive, thanks! But Mike immediately attacks him, so why is Ben not also jumping on him, Jason I support your stance, don’t worry about Mike he needs some serious help for his muddled head, poor guy! Wonder who has hacked the old GPP web around December, but judging from this well programmed blog, there could be many possibilities to try to make a scam look real?

    Comment by EXTAN — 19th April 2008 @ 12:45 pm

  822. First of all, why would they make refunds if it was a scam?
    EASY! they refund the money for a failed signup because they know you will give it back to them anyway, and it makes gullible people say “it cannot be a scam because i had my refund”!!!
    Also, if they didn’t make the refund then that would be illegal, taking the money and not providing the goods. But once the signup has gone through ok then that is a legal way to take your money. And all these months it has taken to make refunds, how many more policies have they sold? Mostly to the people who have had their refunds and thought what good honest people gpp must be!

    EXTAN, if your birth certificate is not a form of id, what the HELL IS IT?!!!

    Comment by Blade68 — 19th April 2008 @ 3:05 pm

  823. Ms. K.,
    The “CON” in “Confidence trick” comes from making initial payments to CONvince the suckers that the game is “honest”.
    Look in any famous or even little scams and you’ll see the “payouts received” and “Great Admin!” posts, many of which were propagated by the scammers themselves.
    Refunds are there to play on ppl’s suspicious minds. If Stella were honest, you would know some details, like a last name, or a geographical location (even a vague reference to a continent would be nice), or a contact method other than a common email (ie. gmail, googlemail, hotmail) address.
    All you have is “stella” meeting a bunch of guys in Lichtenstein, forming an “Anstalt” (which cannot deals with anything of a financial nature), and her little jaunt around the world in search of a banking solution. No names, addresses, websites, verifiable info of any sort.
    But they have their finger on several billion dollars?
    When GPP first hit the internet, belief wasn’t hard to drum up (if you ignored the comment about ‘under the radar” and “prying eyes of the authorities”) but, in the light of the incessant delays, hackings, changing sites, loss of Trust Partners, lack of a bank, you can’t deride anyone for being less than positive about GPP.
    Reality bites.

    Comment by zippy — 19th April 2008 @ 5:40 pm

  824. Extan,
    You are right. I do need some help. I need some help in you telling us where the money is. Your words convey nothing.

    Don’t even say that I’m attacking Jason. You’d like to have a way to discredit me woudn’t you. Credit yourself and let us know why you’ve established this bogus .biz account. Tell us why you are still accepting policies, tell us why we do not know anything about any of the GPP heads! For that matter where is GPP actually located?

    Tell you what, since you know the deal w/ Stella and the rest, provide me with the information to get my “refund”, and I’ll leave you alone… You can keep the 50 Thousand. How’s that my $40.00 and you can have the $50K. I don’t know abot you, but I’d think that it would be a pretty good deal.
    So pass me the information on how to get my cash, and guess what, I don’t want your SSN, birth certificate, passport or ANYTHING. Just show me a CHECK!

    I know that you are going to read this. If not, everyone else will. I can’t wait for this sorry response. I can’t wait to see what you’ll say on that one…

    Tell you what, turn around in your seat, and ask Stella about it.

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 19th April 2008 @ 6:09 pm

  825. When exactly is the pay out for Global Pension Plan it was meant to be in Dec n people are still wondering and kept been told to wait for another month and so on.

    Just would like to know confirmed dates and not hopes.

    Comment by Rangi — 20th April 2008 @ 3:02 am

  826. Rangi,

    Why don’t you write to Neverland (Stella will claim she’s too busy) and find out. If you get an answer, please post it here.

    Please ask her also how is it possible to sell policies when the program is already closed.

    Comment by Kitz — 20th April 2008 @ 1:22 pm

  827. “When exactly is the pay out for Global Pension Plan it was meant to be in Dec n people are still wondering and kept been told to wait for another month and so on.

    Just would like to know confirmed dates and not hopes.”

    The pay out date for GPP is never. It’s an obvious scam.

    Comment by JH — 20th April 2008 @ 5:40 pm

  828. Can’t believe what I’m reading here, anyway GPP said that the birth certificate is ok, instead of the ID which may be abused, isn’t that nice from them, obviously you will find a negative version of this on this blog!!!!

    Members are urged to change their profiles e-mail address (as well as the password), so the hackers cannot ask for the lost password!

    Zippy, I do not have your surname or that of Mike, etc, or where you stay (don’t want it), but just think a bit about why that is, then you will maybe understand why GPP acts like they do. It’s not the ordinary shop around the corner with a few notes in their till, get the point???

    So when will they pay out… some people have actually bought those lucrative 10 Euro additional “memberships”, funny business. Think things will be moving soon, but how will they handle 100k applications the way they are now handling the refunds (slow), mind boggling, hope the bank can hire temporary stuff to speed up the job and automatic machines to count the billions of money due to us 🙂

    Smile, it’s my birthday today!

    Comment by EXTAN — 21st April 2008 @ 8:28 am

  829. Hi Extan,

    happy birthday to you 🙂
    Good bless and take care ….

    Comment by snartmor — 21st April 2008 @ 9:35 am

  830. Hello All,
    GPP has not been on for a long time know. Can some one tell me what he/she knows about GPP.net because GPP.biz has not been on since. Which are we to follow, GPP.biz or GPP.net?

    Comment by Gabriel — 21st April 2008 @ 6:11 pm

  831. Extan,

    Why don’t you do me a favor and tell me why GPP acts the way they do,as you stated. You say that it is not the average shop around the corner… Well, that my friend is something that I surely agree with. That shop is not around any corner! It’s virtual if anything. Give us a break, GPP acts the way they do to not be identified, by anyone.

    These 10 Euro payouts… Yes this is one of the most telling reasons to show that this is a scam! Why would you provide a total equivalent payout to people who have been invested for only a short period of time, with the same payout, for less money? Hmmmm.. Makes you wonder huh? SCAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    This nonsense about blaming a bank is just rediculous! If this was such a solid plan, there should not have been a delay at all!!!

    This is Stealing everyone… Stealing our hard earned dollars! No matter how much or how little money involved, it is stealing! I’d liken this to being robbed on the street. your $40 is gone. On the other hand, if you were going to just buy a bag of air, you would at least know that you are buying that bag of air. We would not instead be getting hot air telling us of these great finanial gains to be had..

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 21st April 2008 @ 6:17 pm

  832. “…anyway GPP said that the birth certificate is ok, instead of the ID which may be abused, isn’t that nice from them, obviously you will find a negative version of this on this blog!!!!”

    The “negative” version as you call it, which more accurately is the real-world versus the fantasy version, is that a birth certificate alone does not satisfy Know Your Customer (KYC) requirements that now are imposed by virtually all banks, insurance companies, and other financial organizations WORLD WIDE.

    Although the details may vary somewhat depending on country and type of account, the minimum requirementss to assure identification of customers does not. Generally the minimum requirements under KYC rules are some form official photo ID and proof of residence, neither of which a birth certificate satisfies. Birth certificates in many locales are considered public records which can be obtained by third parties from records agents upon request and payment of associated fees. They alone are not sufficient to meet KYC requirements (with some exceptions, for example, in the case of a minor when KYC requirements are met at the time by the parent).

    Furthermore, under KYC requirements when specified ID cannot be presented in person, it must be provided in a CERTIFIED FORM. Acceptable certification is only from a third party who also is required to perform the same verification of the original documents.

    So, if true, then this stands as further evidence that GPP’s story is fantasy and doesn’t stand up against any real-world examination. Not surprizing since the reality is that it’s really just a couple of guys with a half-@assed unsecured web site who have no clue regarding the details of what’s actual required to do what they allege to be doing.

    Comment by JH — 21st April 2008 @ 6:45 pm

  833. Gabriel: In regard to your question it is GPP.net. Actually it makes no difference because the outcome will still be the same.

    EXTAN: Happy Birthday! Hope you have a great day and enjoy all the festivities celebrating it.

    For the lack of finding a better word, I am going to use the Spanglish in regard to Stella’s postings. It is always fun to watch Stella change “her” writing style from Spanglish, to fairly good English back to Spanglish and then into something somewhere in between. One would think if Stella was one person, the style and grammar would not change from update to update. What is even more hilarious is when it changes from paragraph to paragraph in the same update. Guess it must be all that pressure of being the lone customer service rep for over 100,000 people, having to do all those refunds by her little ole lonesome self, and dealing with hackers.

    Speaking of hackers. It has to just warm your heart if you are a member of GPP to know that these “PROFESSIONALS” (Stella assured everyone they were right from the get go) have allowed their website and database be compromised. Now that is “PROFESSIONAL.” ROFLOL! These clowns are lucky they can spell it. They are worse than the Keystone Cops. Come to think of it, Stella’s updates sound more like Abbott and Costello’s “Who’s on First” routine.

    Just think, for only $40, you have had your personal information compromised, distributed all over the Internet, and all while under the watchful eyes of “PROFESSIONALS.” It makes you feel proud to be a member of GPP doesn’t it.

    Comment by EagleOne — 21st April 2008 @ 6:51 pm

  834. Happy Birthday, Extan!
    Now, FIRST ,….It is the REAL website that is offering the $10 memberships,..not the fake one. The fake one wanted you to send the postage and ID. The real one is having a “Fire Sale” to make up the numbers until the “approximate closing in May”.
    Second,..a birth certificate IS I.D. and yes, it can be used to compromise the rest of your ID. How do you think one replaces lost identification? There is an original registration number on that document. If it was not I.D., I would not be asked to produce it, on a regular basis.
    Um, and as far as my having no last name,..Hellooo? Stella has ALL the money, and is the one making the promises,…NOT the members! Don’t you think it is incumbent upon the one holding members’ cash to be coughing up a last name, LIKE A REPUTABLE AND REAL BUSINESS?
    Does your bank have people in it? Are you allowed to know their names? Is the bank required to tell you where your money is? Are they required to give you interest payments as long as they hold your money?
    So, Extan, you’re right,..they aren’t “It’s not the ordinary shop around the corner with a few notes in their till,”, …they’re in never-“Neverland” , and they have all the money, NOT a little, but several million and grabbing more (if they can) with no names or addresses available, and no concept of business practice or accountability.
    They have been refused by several countries and several banking institutions.
    Yep, they sure aren’t the shop round the corner with a few bills in the till,..because I KNOW where that shop is, who is in it, and if they have bills of mine in their till, I have something to show for it. It’s called “fair trade”,. Get the point?

    Comment by zippy — 21st April 2008 @ 8:45 pm

  835. These clowns business sense is not too good huh? Did good a scamming though.

    Let’s face it, there are no Billions! Ok… One thousand Million dollars. You think that these clowns can have the sense to handle this much money with a Gmail account!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Scam was good while it lasted. I’m insulted by the sale price on this contract, be it another scammer off of this scam or not! Taking advantage of people is the lowest.

    Everyone,
    Have any of you have provided your email account gotten much additional junk mail lately? I know that junk mail is junk mail, but if you set up an account specifically for this, have you noticed any all of a sudden appearing? Just wondering…. Could be that they did in fact sell this info for additional profits…

    Extan,
    Would you agree that something like this is a might low thing to do? I’m not accusing GPP of doing this (yet), but wouldn’t you agree that something like that is a pityfull thinkg for anyone to do?

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 22nd April 2008 @ 4:07 am

  836. Hi everyone, my girlfriend gave me a new track suit, hope we can run ASAP to collect the GPP money 🙂 Too many questions to answer, have no answers, too busy attending to our future plans. Have a good day!

    Comment by EXTAN — 22nd April 2008 @ 2:26 pm

  837. My friend,

    I’d suggest that you let your girlfriend take that suit back to the store. If you are buying that to run and get these monies, you may as well not have it. In other words, you’ll surely not have to do anything asap. So, if referrencing a payout that was supposed to occur six months ago, I would most definitely say that there is no reason to put on running shoes…

    Anyone,
    What’s happening on the site? Anything new?

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 23rd April 2008 @ 12:26 am

  838. Mike: I would have to agree, especially if the suit was spandex. The mere visual image is frightening in and of itself. Too many people who wear it shouldn’t and those who should usually don’t. Now if Extan, EXTAN, extan, or extant was practicing for a marathon, then he might get some use out of the suit. Actually he would probably wear it out before GPP pays, which is now set for the 12th of never.

    Kind of makes you wonder who GPP will try next in their hosting merry go round. You would think they would try to get one with secure servers, but you have to pay for those and they aren’t cheap. That would take away from the haul they have, and they are not going to give up that kind of cash for a scam. They could care less their database and forum was hacked. Another good excuse to delay the payout. Gotta love the way they keep having things help them delay the big payout date. Kind of makes you wonder if they “helped” their forum and database get hacked; like give them the key. ROFLOL!

    Wonder what happened to that banking solution? One would have thought they would have given an update by now. Of course it would have been creative writing 101, but it still would have been nice to see Stella change her writing style 3 times in one update. Wouldn’t be Stella if it didn’t. LOL!

    Comment by EagleOne — 23rd April 2008 @ 4:23 am

  839. Nothing happens on the GPP site, Stella is attending to the 1000 remaining refunds, beats me how she wants to pay out the investments @ 100k+ members, will theoretically take until 3008?

    Stella and Co. please tell us or do you have a secret plan to do it, like paying out the billions in cents? Counting all the time…, better to work for your money in a clever way like robbing a bank with my new suit, it is so dark they cannot see me, but have to hide my Caucasian head :-).

    Comment by EXTAN — 23rd April 2008 @ 12:25 pm

  840. Mike you are right, if the suit fits too tight, all those strange looks, maybe GPP will then pay out 🙂 .

    Comment by EXTAN — 23rd April 2008 @ 1:51 pm

  841. Breadforkids.org has nothing to do with GPP why do not you read their Official site before writing about?

    plain and simple.

    Comment by Anonymous — 23rd April 2008 @ 6:04 pm

  842. EXTAN: What kind of running shoes do you wear? I want to know so I can buy stock in the company. I figure you will go through about 20 pairs of shoes before GPP even gets close to paying anyone anything. This way I can make a lot of money since I believe you aren’t the only ones wearing these shoes that are members of GPP. Figure if there are 10 or 20,000 of you, that should make the stock price rise over the next few years while waiting for GPP.

    By the way, did you know that First Oceanic Bank, the one GPP used for the members to send in their application fee to is not authorized by FSA? Actually there are many countries that say that the bank is an unauthorized bank. Meaning it is not an approved banking institution, and probably nothing more than a money laundering bank.

    Now if GPP is so legitimate, why did they use an unauthorized banking instiution to receive deposits of members fees?

    Comment by EagleOne — 23rd April 2008 @ 9:22 pm

  843. My friend had sent gpp her money a couple of years ago, they finally contacted her in Dec 07 to let her know about the soon coming payout, but they needed some info from her. She had me fax them her ID, and fill out some piece of paper asking her address and how she wanted the money, in her checking account or on a “card”. She had no checking account and wanted to know if I would give them my acct number. Um, hell no. But you can open your own!! I told her that I did a little research on the ineternet and that I dont think its a good idea to be part of these people, but she is having a hard time right now finacially and really needs help. So reluctantly she complied.
    Since I have computer access, I am her middle man with her contact guy at gpp. He tells me to access the website twice a week for updates. Irrelevant updates that never give a payout date, or it changes. The payout was supposed to be in February. Still waiting. Problem with the card, etc. always an issue.
    Today I told him that my computer has a new thing on it that limits where I can go on the net, and that I can no longer access gpp website, that he needs to contact my friend directly. I asked him to cut to the chase and not give me bullshit -put off for later excuses like the websites “updates”, that dont really update anything interesting. And he clearly got mad at me!! I thought it was funny, but I did notice the professionalism kinda left him, and he turned into a mad little boy. That gives me the impression that this whole thing isnt on the up and up. I dont care if I yell at you, you better handle things professionally!! ya know?
    I hope for my friends sake that this illusive payout will happen, but Im thinkin it wont….

    Comment by SHEEEESH — 23rd April 2008 @ 10:26 pm

  844. EXTAN, am I sensing a little less optimistic tone in your writings?
    I guess you’re starting to wake up from your dream world after all.
    How about those those countries that approved GPP as legit, which were they? Now you’ve had some time to come up with an answer, so it shouldn’t be a problem.
    Any answer to Eagles question about the first oceanic bank?

    Comment by Rokka — 23rd April 2008 @ 11:07 pm

  845. Will be away from my work for about 2 weeks, Uni’s holiday, just found a way to make my work much easier, printed circuit board production, easy to make it in a fraction of time, no more scanning, so what do we have our rotten brains for? Bragging again? So we can dream more about GPP!

    Also going for an operation tomorrow to fix me up a little and then staying at home until I’m out of pain, health is rather important! No idea about Oceanic bank, oh yes and blade68 please calm down 🙂 have enough to contend with at the moment.

    Comment by EXTAN — 24th April 2008 @ 3:07 pm

  846. Anyone, any thoughts on my story (number 842)? Is this a common occurance?
    The more research I do, the more I realize that this gpp thing is a bad situation. So many scams come out of Arica, its mind blowing. It seems there is so much money floating around down there, yet there are homeless children living in the streets, and no medicines for the ill. what the eff are people doing down there?? Nothing good apparantly.
    Whats the real poop on these people?? Im concerned about my friend, she is telling me that a credit card collector has been calling her house, she doesnt deal well with these situations, especially since she doesnt have a credit card!! coincidence?
    Please shed light, give advice….
    thanks in advance.

    Comment by SHEEEESH — 24th April 2008 @ 4:39 pm

  847. Extan

    Calm down about what?

    Comment by Blade68 — 24th April 2008 @ 4:59 pm

  848. Actually one of my favorite stories of GPP was when they had you sending money to the 3 Latvian ladies, but it had to be under a specific amount or you would attract the attention of the “authorities;” thus why they listed the 3. So you have them using a unauthorized banking institution for you to send your applciation fee, you have the dynamic trio from Latvia for all those additional policies you bought, but none of this raised any red flags to you as possibly being suspect and a scam. You cannot have anyone who is with Law Enforcement joining, and they must stay below the radar of all those government “authorities;” you know those evil “authorities” that don’t want a “legitimate” program like GPP succeeding. ROFLOL!

    In regard to your question, SHEEEESH, the story you told could be repeated thousands of times. That is what is so tragic about all this. So many people had no clue what they were getting involved in, but the lure of big money with no effort was too big of a temptation to resist. That is what the people behind GPP was counting on. I do feel for your friend, but she also has to take responsibiity for her own actions. It is nice you could help her, but the quicker she accepts she has lost her money, the quicker she will recover. When it comes right down to it there are no professionals, in the ordinary meaning of the word, in GPP that are behind it or promoting it. But they are professional scammers.

    We keep saying GPP, because that is all we can tie this too. It is not GPP, because GPP does not exist as an entity. It is just the name of the “product” the “Trust,” which has no name, is selling to the masses. For the “Trust” to do this, they have to be licensed in every jurisdiction where they are offering this product for sale. So, you have an entity, the “Trust,” that has to be licensed, but you cannot confirm if it is or not because you don’t have a name to check with the authorities to see if they really do exist and are properly licensed. Yep, sure sounds like a legitimate operation to me. ROFLOL!

    Comment by EagleOne — 24th April 2008 @ 7:42 pm

  849. Thanks Eagle One! Ya, I sat her down the other day after I got that unprofessional response.(complete with most of the words mispelled like a kid wrote them, and huge letters like he was yelling at me, and then his closing instead of sincerely, or regards or something, he wrote Peace Out! Hillarious- whatta scum bag.) I would think that if he represented a legitamate multi million dollar company that he would have some professionalism and common sense about him. But since this is not a legit company they can hire any freak off the street. And her contact guy is in the process of leaving the country (probably to start this up somwhere else!) I felt like he was doing business out of a back alley somewhere with that shitteous response.
    She wasnt thrilled, but at least she lost less than $100.00. Her uncle on the other hand lost more. Live and learn I guess.
    I had considered it for about 2 minutes, it does sound awfully nice, I give you $63.00 and you give me $80,000.00! But then reality hit me, and I said, ya, I’ll pass. Im good with my decision. If I miss out then oh well, but I really have that screaming gut feeling that I made the correct choice. bummer though!! It sure would have been nice….
    Thanks again.
    It makes me so angry though, these horrible failures at being human beings praying on the desperate. Shame I say!

    Comment by SHEEEESH — 24th April 2008 @ 11:13 pm

  850. EXTAN,
    I have got to say, that you are one of the most busy people that I have heard of. Mountain climbing, biking, trips a day or two after surgery… You’ll have to tell us of your storie…. Nevermind… Have a good one.

    SHEEEESH,
    That is truly a terrible thing you’ve told us all. Surely a reason NOT to send ANY information to these scammers. I tell you, I can’t believe that they would have the nerve to ask you for your account number! Good thing that you didn’t. That cash in that account would have been gone the next day!

    I must say, I am somewhat impressed that you were even able to talk with anyone at all! Must have been in the beginning stages of the scam. At this point, you probably couldn’t talk with anyone even if you PAID THEM!

    In referrence to your post 842, I’m pretty sure that this was an underlying segment to this scam. Humph… I’m not supprised at all about the credit card issue. I have been victim to identity thieft. Luckily it was/is not an issue of a credit card/account being opened under my name. Nonetheless, your friend must get her credit report!!! That is truly a must! It is unfortunate, but I think that she may have to pay a fee to the credit agencies to review her credit, contacting her if any account is being opened under her name. Again, this is an issue that must immediately be addressed. This leaves a gaping hole allowing for further ID thieft!

    Eagle,
    I have got to say that once again I agree with what you said… Interesting amd informative. Everyone, you shouldtake a look at that post.

    Yes SHEEEESH, good for you in not falling prey to this scam. Indeed, this scam does play on our hopes to obtain monies to pay debts, vacation, etc… It is unfortunate that these dreams come at a cost. This cost being the continual hopes that this will provide us with anything! This is terrible to prey on others as such. It angers me too.

    People, at this point, I would not believe a word being said by these clowns. For example, when was the last time that you heard from this stella. She still busy working on refunds? That is a pile! If this is supposed to pay out in the next couple of days, WHO WOULD WANT A REFUND!?!? SCAM, SCAM, SCAM, SCAM!!!!!!!!! GPPer’s must really think that we are stupid! I really feel for those who have invested large moneies. This yet again angers me, thinking of my fellow man getting ripped of by these elusive scammers.

    Eagle,
    one more thing… Your statement about these “trust” companies was well pointed out. It’s not just GPP who are scamming, but many more of these same types of scams out there! What amused me was the SCAM on top of a SCAM! This Stella childrens fund really took the cake!!! To play on the needs of children, and running off w/ the cash is just slimey. I would think that most would agree that this is a sad thing to do. Even one or two of the extans, I’m sure would agree with that! The Stellas are really a sorry bunch…

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 25th April 2008 @ 3:21 am

  851. As a public service, I have written to every insurance company in the world letting them know that they don’t need all those people in their customer service departments, pension departments, processing departments because they only need one person to handle all of it. I gave them Stella’s E-mail address so they could find out from her how she does it, and then they can replicate it. Just think how much of an impact this will have on their bottom line.

    I was not greedy, as I only asked for 2% of their annual savings every year. I think that was fair considering how much money I have saved them.

    Actually I wish I had EXTAN, Extan, extan, and extant contact information because I am sure I could get them all jobs with the companies as their lone representative. Of course I would expect a finder’s fee from all the variations of extan’s, but I am not greedy. I would only want a one-time fee of 10% of their annual earnings. Besides, when GPP pays out, they will have plenty of money to make up the difference for my fee.

    Now aren’t all of you sorry you didn’t think of this brilliant idea? Eat your hearts out! ROFLOL!

    Comment by EagleOne — 25th April 2008 @ 4:12 am

  852. http://www.nobsinvest.com/global-pension-plan-up-next-for-investigation-probably/

    Comment by koychi — 25th April 2008 @ 7:46 am

  853. Thanks for the responses. I agree, that Stella is AMAZING!! I think the word Stella is Angola for “I got your money Beyatch!”.
    I shouldnt make fun, watch the payout will come…
    So hypathetically,(I was over thinking this), they offer for you to get the cash in your checking account or on the Business Solutions Card. If it goes into checking you will need to pay taxes and show proof of what the money is for- which as it was explained to me they send you paper work showing its an early termination of a life insurance policy. And would the IRS just look at that paper and say, OH, ok, and leave it that? I would think they would dig alot deeper, right? But on the other hand, on the card, you wont have to pay taxes, but you can only take out 2-5 hundred dollars at a time as to not attract attention. Thats alot of cards to produce that have that kind of cash on it, how would that work? I would think that either way the IRS will catch wind somehow and you will get audited or eventually taxed on the card, and the bottom line is that at some point in time you will get caught and get into trouble.
    Oh well, Ive thought way too much about this, I guess it just amazes me how big some peoples balls are! lol
    Is Extan really a true believer? (or does he work for them secretly?) I can copy and paste my email for him if he is…. shady business.
    So to that I say, I make my money the legal and way and sleep better for it at night. No worries mate.
    You-all have a great day where ever you are. Just glad things are warming up here in the Chi. :)~

    Comment by SHEEEESH — 25th April 2008 @ 5:22 pm

  854. Sheeeesh: Actually using your own bank account is no longer an option. Stella announced that everyone would have to use their banking solution to get paid. The question is just how much are they going to charge you for the privilege of getting this banking solution. Now the $30-$40 application fee was initially stated was the charge for your banking solution. A little fuzzy now if this will still hold. I guess it depends on how much more money they think they can fleece before disappearing. With all the people buying all those additional policies, I would not be surprised if they tried it, and people actually paid it. If they haven’t figured it out by now this is a scam, nothing will convince them. Therein lies the tragedy in all of this.

    Personally I do not see how they can even try to say they have a banking solution. If they come up with one, it will be a bank no-one has heard of before, and will either be an online bank, or in an offshore haven. Either way it will be a sham. Expect to hear that because of all the heat that has been turned up on GPP, their banking solution collapsed. It will be all the members fault this happened, and thus the Trust cannot go ahead as planned. They get to keep all the money, but it was all the members fault it failed. Don’t you just love it. ROFLOL! And by the way, it is just a matter of weeeks before this happens. They will either disappear with no explanation, or the one given. This was, is and always has been a scam.

    People keep saying if it was a scam why didn’t they run before this? Simple, would you pull up shop if people were still sending you money? Of course not. You would milk this for as long as you thought you could get away with it.

    How many different money exchangers have they used? Now if they have this insurance company and lending institution that are owned by the same company, why not use their bank for the members to send their money? You don’t use money exchangers because they are convenient and cheap. You use them to avoid (or at least try) attention from the authorities. They know once the authorities catch on they are toast. Why do you think they stated if you are a member of law enforcement you cannot be a member, and they must stay below the radar of the authorities? Those two issues alone should have been big red flags yelling scam. Interesting how greed clouds one’s common sense. The mere idea that someone will give you $55,000 if you give them $30-$40 boggles the mind.

    Comment by EagleOne — 25th April 2008 @ 6:51 pm

  855. God I wish I had no moral compass so that I can kick back on the beach somewhere tropical, with my toes wiggling in the sand, a fruity drink in my hand collecting money from thousands of people instead of going to the doctor for a stress test to see why I have chest pains at such an early age! lol
    C’est la vie ( did I spell that right? I got kicked out of french class in high school) ha

    Comment by SHEEEESH — 25th April 2008 @ 7:26 pm

  856. Ya know, I gotta say that when I talked to my friend about how I felt about this venture, she admitted to me that she felt deep downt that it wasnt going to turn out well for her. But she did it anyway.
    I have to associate that with this priest from Mexico (I think) who had attached himself to 100 helium balloons and wanted to “float” to the next town. Im sure somewhere in his gut something told him that this may not be the best way to raise money for your charity….but he did it anyway.
    Some lessons in life are a bit harder than others. Thank your _______(insert what every you believe in) that all you lost was money. You can make more of that, but that Priest on the other hand. Well, Im sure he’d tell you that if they ever locate him. ( Im possibly going to hell for that arent I?)

    Comment by SHEEEESH — 25th April 2008 @ 8:00 pm

  857. Here’s something to think about. What has been one of the most mind-blowing aspects of this whole scam is this notion that one insurance company and one lending institution are handling all these policies. Stop and think that in order for one insurance company to pull of this feat, they would have to issue more policies in one month than the top 25 life insurance companies in the world combined issued in one year. The lending institution will make loans,and need a capitalized base greater than the top 3 banks in the world. In essence, this unknown insurance company will become in one month the largest insurance company in the world; and the unknown lending institution will become the number 1 financial institution in the world. Yep, sure sounds legitimate to me. ROFLOL!

    Comment by EagleOne — 25th April 2008 @ 8:59 pm

  858. Eagle,

    Yes, it is a shame that more investigation was not reviewed beforehand on such a scam. After all, which financial entity would bankrupt themselves by paying money RIGHT now($40), only to give this large sum back after a suppsed year or so!!!!!
    The point you are making is so very valid! How can some sham bank, being run insomeone house, or internet cafe roll the dollars needed to finance such a scheme? ANSWER: It can’t!!!

    People,
    Now if a real bank would laugh you out of a building if you were to try to do that, why would ANYONE think that this would work!!!! This right here would tell you if this was a scam!!!!

    THIS IS THE TEST: Go to your bank andtell them that you want to open a pension fund and do as GPP is supposedly doing. If you don’t want to get your feelings hurt, you shouldn’t ask this when the bank is crowded. Too many people might laugh…

    GPP,
    Yes, you have had your day… If I wasn’t banned from the other GPP run blogs, I’d have even more to say about this sham.

    My Friends;
    As mentioned before, these same scams are EVERYWHERE!!!!!!! I just did another google on GPP. I came accross:
    EasyPassiveInvesting.com
    This is almost identical to this very same scam! You really need to read that for a good laugh! Ha! They do talk a good game… Oh yea, let’s not forget the fact that they are saying that this will change everyones lives! Yes, change it if you call changing the amount of money, negatively, in your pocket!!!!!!!!!!!

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 26th April 2008 @ 5:32 pm

  859. Hey everyone!
    GPP is really sad..first Ben Seigler was supposed to be honest,then he’s a fraud and so is everything else about this company..I wish I had never gotten involved..may god punish them for all the hearts they’ve hurt and maybe dreams they’ve destroyed..but I guess we were all just fools..I hope they pay..Has anyone here ever seen a picture of Ben Seigler?

    Comment by discouraged — 27th April 2008 @ 10:55 am

  860. well folks it’s getting pretty boring on here now time to move on and realise we’ve all been duped by the GPP but as anybody checked out the real possibilities on these sort of “pensions” why not check out some on offer at the heather wolf network

    [Addition by Ben: Quite honestly, I wouldn’t advise that anyone believe anything written on the “Heather Wolf Network” blog. Looks like the same rubbish as GPP… Mark, you’ve been duped twice buddy]

    i’ve recently purchased and i feel more confident over there than at the gpp.

    Comment by mark — 27th April 2008 @ 6:48 pm

  861. There are no “real possibilities” with these bogus reverse pension deals. They’re all frauds. Period.

    Comment by JH — 28th April 2008 @ 3:39 am

  862. Mark,
    Hopefully you are kidding about thinking of putting more money into a RPP. Quite seriously I simply think that it too incredulois to think that someone is… Well really, quite that dense. I really do not mean to sound mean, but seriously… HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF ANY OF THESE PAYING OUT!?! No, no you haven’t.

    The introduction of another scam to this blog almost seems like that you are advertising another scam.

    If you are not another promoter or Stella her or himself, where did you hear of this scam?

    Let’s all be real. That is a scam. As Ben said, if you are truly an investor in that scam, well then you have already lost.

    Let me look out for you… Don’t waste your dreams on a scam. Don’t invest in RPP’s, and don’t give criminals your money. Quite seriously, I am looking out for you. Please do not do that…

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 28th April 2008 @ 5:04 am

  863. seems ben is blocking extan????

    [Addition by Ben: Nope, but you are probably using a banned word in one of your replies so it is being deleted automatically. Send me an email (ben@bizoppsblog.com) with the content and I will post it for you, removing whichever word it is that is causing the problem]

    Comment by EXTAN — 28th April 2008 @ 12:44 pm

  864. GPP’s forum is back on track, hope we’ll soon hear how far Stella has progressed with the last 1000 refunds as well as their next plan of action. Amazing restful situation!!! But we are closing up on the next million Euros :-). No personal connection to GPP!!

    have a good day

    Comment by EXTAN — 28th April 2008 @ 12:46 pm

  865. EXTAN,

    Are you talking about extan or yourself?

    You know of a blog that is not owned by GPP that does not block posts? This is the most fair one that I have found Anywhere!

    Nonetheless, WHY WILL GPP pay out soon? One very simple question….

    How do you know that it will pay out!?!?!?! What did Stella tell you?

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 28th April 2008 @ 2:38 pm

  866. Extan,

    Got the email – thanks for that. I have removed two of the comments (just so you know I’m not blocking you!)

    I think your posts must have been deleted due to you perhaps mentioning some prescription drugs (a lot of them are on the Comment Blacklist).

    Thanks, Ben

    Comment by Ben — 28th April 2008 @ 8:51 pm

  867. Some people have to learn the hard way you can’t make $30 turn into $55,000 no matter what they say. Of course some never do learn, thus why they keep thinking the other one will be the one to pay out. Maybe if they get enough friends and family members really ticked off at them, they might learn. Somehow I seriously doubt it. You can’t keep people from doing stupid things, especially when it comes to getting rich quick. The scammers love it because they are the only ones that get rich off your $30-$40, and they get far more than a measley $55,000. Stupid is as stupid does.

    Comment by EagleOne — 29th April 2008 @ 12:18 am

  868. Extan:
    I have a question regarding your post:#863 “GPP’s forum is back on track, hope we’ll soon hear how far Stella has progressed with the last 1000 refunds as well as their next plan of action.”

    So your saying that 99000 people already got their payouts and just 1000 more to go? Or is that just what the website says? Did you get your payout? Know anyone that got theirs? Or did I read that incorrectly??

    B’cuz my friend (who signed up over a year and a half ago) is still waiting, I’d like to tell her something other than you got taken for a ride sister.

    Have you read my experience with gpp? see post#842 on page 43 and up.

    Please, humor me and let me know if I read that right…

    thank you

    Comment by SHEEEESH — 29th April 2008 @ 4:56 pm

  869. Hello everyone,
    Which of the GPP is back? Is it GPP.net or GPP.biz? if it is GPP.net, is it not the GPP.net site that is fraudulent, where members are told not to log In.

    Comment by Gabriel — 29th April 2008 @ 5:41 pm

  870. Will GPP ever come back?

    Comment by Gabriel — 29th April 2008 @ 5:42 pm

  871. SHEEEESH,
    The refunds are not the payout. apparently alot of people had problems with signing up for gpp, payment went through but they did not get usernames, passwords etc. So stella refunds your money so that you can give it back to her again! And people are asking why she is giving refunds if this is a scam!
    If you pay your money and get your membership then thats not illegal, but if they take your money and you dont get your membership then that is illegal. besides, how many more policies have they sold since these refunds started back in october or november? why would they run away when they are still receiving so much money?

    Comment by Blade68 — 29th April 2008 @ 5:44 pm

  872. Gabriel: In regard to your question: “Hello everyone,
    Which of the GPP is back? Is it GPP.net or GPP.biz? if it is GPP.net, is it not the GPP.net site that is fraudulent, where members are told not to log In.” The fake site is GPP.biz. GPP.net is the correct site for members.

    Having said that, it really doesn’t make any difference as they are both scams.

    Comment by EagleOne — 29th April 2008 @ 5:54 pm

  873. Blade68,
    Hi, thanks for the reply, so now my friend is waiting for both!? A refund of her money, and the payout! thats funny.
    Has anyone recieved their “refund” yet? Or is it only on the website…..either way, anyone get anything from them at all? I would love to hear a success story..

    Comment by SHEEEESH — 29th April 2008 @ 5:58 pm

  874. Last that I’d noticed, which was about a month ago, that round of “refunds” was for failed sign-ups from December. As in the past, apparently it was selective since many who submitted requests did not receive any refund. A fairly typical ploy to give them some credibility by having some saying that they received refunds. There still are people waiting for “refunds” from that and earlier months and no such action for those from more recent months.

    Also as Blade68 notes these “refunds” are not so much that as they are re-sign-ups. There are NO refunds back to people for any other reasons where the money actually would be taken back from GPP.

    Your friend MIGHT receive a “refund” but it will amount to nothing since it’s a blatant SCAM and they’ll just take the money and never pay anyway.

    Comment by JH — 29th April 2008 @ 6:36 pm

  875. Hey JH,
    Theyve got balls the size of Australia dont they!
    Where is gpp’s resident cheerleader Extan at? Still ‘away’ for two weeks but not really?
    He hasnt responded to two separate posts of mine, he doesnt know me, but clearly he doesnt have any love for me. This makes me sad, as I am a very lovable person! lol

    Comment by SHEEEESH — 29th April 2008 @ 6:51 pm

  876. Refunds!?! That is the biggest pile! Yea, they are going to give a refund for those poor people who paid money after they closed,and didn’t get their right screen name…. Now who is really that stupid… I mean, really.

    My Friends… If this was not a scam, I’d ask, why would “Stella” be so worried about processing some bogus refund for a few, when the completion of the payment should be on center stage?… OK, they are going to work on getting $40 back to a few instead of getting us our payout (which some have been waiting for years). YEA, RIGHT!

    These people need to get got quick before they disappear.

    Anyone hear anything from Stella? What about in any other blogs. She probably provides info to others that “she” moderates. I saw one with all of these “good feelings” going on… Statements like: “yea, it’s about to pay off”, “it’s coming!”, “just wait!”. What a travesty!

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 30th April 2008 @ 3:13 am

  877. Have just gone through this blogs 43 and 44, a lot of things were said and no real headway done, at least Ben now knows my real name, so anyone talking about me lying etc, good for you 🙂 .

    My feeling is that Stella will soon post some lines on the GPP forum, else she must be very stupid!

    Money is still going in and we are smiling (hope it will get real soon for everyone)!! I have not really changed my positive stance and I’m not stupid at all. We need positive inputs in our buggered up world and let GPP show us the good, I’m sure they will!! They would not wait for 10 Euro bills!

    I’m now the 6th day out of the hospital and feeling much better, waiting for the wounds to heal, yesterday here at home I build a new wooden case for my tower and scanner, using a comm. doweling jig, prefer over nails and screws which one can see and much more powerful. Just a feel better action…

    I have here a good article about special bank investment programs not available to even the richest investors, kind of inside jobs of the top bank structures, then re-selling the next step down, etc. The point is really that all the way down the line one can make huge sums of money in a very short time, (time between buy and sell as the price goes up) using leverage, etc. methods used when not having those 100mill plus investments. So, please forget about your 2% interest bank accounts to calculate GPP’s possible or not investment.

    Stay positive!!!

    Comment by EXTAN — 30th April 2008 @ 8:24 am

  878. EXTAN: Good to see you are on the mend, and doing well. You give Stella way too much credit. She sure has made the word PROFESSIONAL take on a whole new meaning; and not in a good way.

    Sure hope your super secret article about “special banking” programs isn’t Prime Bank Notes. Then I am sure without the special decoder ring, password and handshake, us mere mortals will never know. Now how in the world has this been kept away from even the richest investors, but you are special? Your list of accomplishments keeps getting larger and larger. I hope you don’t think it is impressing anyone. I’d hate to burst your ego.

    Comment by EagleOne — 30th April 2008 @ 8:37 pm

  879. “Stay Positive”! Yes, that is another one that I forgot to add to that list (see end of post #875)!

    Extan,
    I’d like to ask, why you keep trying to introduce these bogus schemes to take advantage of others? Ok… So not even the richest investors don’t have privy to these (shams)accounts… Well, two things are wrong here:
    1) insider trading is illegal. Bad idea from the start…
    2) Why bar rich investors from joining this scheme? Guess they won’t fall for such a scam.

    You know, although I may seem negative, I’d suggest that you all keep your money in a bank getting that 2% as opposed to loosing EVERYTHING that you’d put in that scam. If however you are still inclined to do so, wait till you get the GPP payout!

    Eagle,
    That bit about that secret decoder ring truly gave me a great laugh.

    As for EXTAN, I will not make light of your injuries, super mountain climbing and triathelons, not to mention great intelligence and degrees from unsaid universities, but we are here for the investors of GPP. As you mentioned, you have an inside track to Stella. Could you ask her about our investment. How much longer now? The following month again, for the 6th to 12th time?

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 1st May 2008 @ 1:04 am

  880. MikeCheck: If you got a chuckle out of that one, you should really enjoy this:

    Now that April has come to an end, thought it would be fun to take a trip down memory lane of GPP the last 5 months:

    In December we had the big announcement that starting in January the members would be sending in their documents, they would have the whole month to get them in to GPP; and you would be able to buy more policies through the end of January. But not to worry, buying these additional policies would not have any effect on the mid-February payout. Yes boys and girls, GPP was going to pay out! The members were ecstatic believing the promised payout of mid-February would come true. The promoters were making fun of all those naysayers, and it wouldn’t be long until they would be shown a thing or two. Everything was euphoria in GPP land.

    First week of January and no information on where to send the documents, but the promoters told everyone to be patient and it wasn’t a big deal. Then the announcement that surprise, they had to find a banking solution because they just found out that you can no longer have an anonymous debit card. Guess they had been asleep the past 6 or so years. So off Stella went in search of a banking solution with the Trust partners. Ah yes Stella, the one person admin, customer service rep, financial guru, paralegal and contract expert was off to 3 continents in search of this elusive banking solution. But not to worry, you could still buy more policies.

    Well, January came and went with no information on where to send the documents, and of course no payout for February as was previously told would happen by Stella and the Trust partners back in December. But not to worry, just a small glitch and after all, we had professionals in charge and all would be made right soon. Then the big announcement that updates might only be made monthly, but you could still buy more policies.

    February faded into the sunset, and March came in like a lamb. But it sure was going to go out like a lion. Before Stella could click her ruby slippers 3 times, all kinds of fun things started happening. Late March and early April saw GPIT get raided, and Stella letting everyone know GPIT was not GPP; you had the website hacked; database compromised; and fake E-mails being sent to the membership. Stella, being the professional she is, waited a whole 2 days before issuing a short statement saying the E-mail was fake, not to fall for it, and it was not GPP that had sent it. No mass mailing to the membership warning them, but no, the members had to logon to the website to find out what had happened. A couple more days went by before Stella, that consummate professional, announced that now that the database had been compromised, you needed, excuse me, she demanded you change your password. And of course we cannot forget the Finnish authorities announced they are investigating GPP. The Finnish promoter’s of GPP removed all references to GPP from their E-mail & forum post signature lines, as well as on their websites; But not to worry it is not big deal, just a tax issue according to the faithful promoters of GPP not living in Finland. Guess the Finn’s who were promoting GPP didn’t get the E-mail telling them it was just a tax issue, and they had nothing to worry about. Stella had no comment. And of course now you could buy more policies at a discount.

    With all that fun in March and April, one can only wonder what May showers will bring for GPP and the members. Since May is known for its storms, and Thunderstorms, one can only imagine what that holds in store for GPP. Hmmmm, maybe those dark clouds forming on the horizon is more than a mere thunderstorm. Might it be those “evil and nasty authorities?” But the good news, according to the promoters, is this is all just a minor glitch in the road; don’t forget this is being run by PROFESSIONALS and you can buy more policies at a discount.

    Comment by EagleOne — 1st May 2008 @ 5:07 am

  881. Eagle, obviously I do not have those “secret” investments, nothing about conspiracy, but Mike seems to be really ignorant about high end finance, after all a deal starts somewhere, say you could get hold of one of those investments were your input is safeguarded against loss, you can leaverage 100 mill dollar with say 3 mill dollar and when selling you get a 4% gain in one month, that gives you 1 million dollar gain for that time and so you proceed. Money makes money!

    Well Mike, I will start to (try to) get walking again, actually it’s today 6th day after the op, not yesterday. Have a sickness since 5 month normally reserved mainly for 30 -40 year olds, guess I got it a bit later 🙂 they say it comes from the heavy metals in the air, even more so in London. Eagle thanks for the kind words!

    Nothing yet from Stella, obviously she is not professional, very crude, have always said that! Enjoy your May day!

    Comment by EXTAN — 1st May 2008 @ 7:50 am

  882. Wish you the best in your healing process,extan.
    And one other thing, if you could clarify this one sentence of yours to me:”Money is still going in and we are smiling”.
    Now why would more money going in to GPP make you smile?
    Is there something in it for you if GPP manages to scam some more people out of their money…
    And if you try to make some comparison between “high end finance” and GPP, well, I think they don’t have anything to do with each other.
    You really can’t compare multimillion deals and sending 30euros to some anonymous “company”, then hoping it to turn into tens of thousands of euros…

    Comment by Rokka — 1st May 2008 @ 9:56 am

  883. sorry you don’t seem to get the point how to use a large sum of money 30 x 130K to make more money, very simple, hey?

    Comment by EXTAN — 1st May 2008 @ 10:13 am

  884. Eagle one,
    I really loved your 5 month trip down memory lane with GPP it was halarious..and I am sorry I have to say that I think Extan is a secret member of GPP no matter who disagrees with me..Thanks for the laugh eagle one!

    Comment by jacob — 1st May 2008 @ 10:30 am

  885. And you Extan, of course, as a great investor, know how to do it. That’s why you invested in GPP, because it’s a sure investment.
    Or, are you saying that people behind GPP came up with this scam in order to get some capital for some real investing?
    I guess, that makes you an investor too, you’re just not going to enjoy any the profits that “stella” an co. are going to make for themselves.

    Comment by Rokka — 1st May 2008 @ 12:29 pm

  886. “…say you could get hold of one of those investments were your input is safeguarded against loss, you can leaverage 100 mill dollar with say 3 mill dollar and when selling you get a 4% gain in one month, that gives you 1 million dollar gain for that time and so you proceed. Money makes money!”

    I guess that explains why banks, which all are public companies and/or highly regulated businesses with highly detailed public financial reporting, typically only make ~9% per YEAR in profits in a good year. And why they’re now reporting tens of billions of dollar losses.

    Want to know the REAL secret to generating huge returns as described? There is no secret. It doesn’t exist.

    And if you applied a little common sense, then you’d realize that if YOU know about it, as in the case of GPP from some sketchy amateurish web site, then it’s not a secret! ; )

    Comment by JH — 1st May 2008 @ 4:59 pm

  887. Jacob: Glad you enjoyed it and it gave you a good laugh. I have to give credit though to LynnRE from another forum for writing it. Somehow when I copied it over, it left out LynnRE’s mention of having written it. I apologize to LynnRE for this, and I was not trying to take credit for having written it. Sure would be nice to be able to edit out your mistakes (hint, hint, hint Ben).

    You won’t find me arguing against your saying Extan, or any of the variations, is part of GPP. If he was such an astute investor, as he likes to claim, he would have never become a member of GPP in the first place. The truth being he has probably been in more scams than he would ever admit to, and maybe has made a couple of hundred at best. The only way he continues to promote GPP is if there is something in it for him. Now what will be really telling is what kind of response he gives to JH’s comments.

    Again my sincere apologies to LynnRE.

    Comment by EagleOne — 1st May 2008 @ 6:31 pm

  888. GPP is just too much fun. Now to login to GPP’s website you have to login your information twice. I guess they think this will make the members believe the site is now protected from hackers. What a riot. If you didn’t have the correct login information in the first place, you would never get to the second login link. But at least GPP is being run by PROFESSIONALS! ROFLOL!

    Comment by EagleOne — 1st May 2008 @ 9:02 pm

  889. EXTAN,

    “…say you could get hold of one of those investments were your input is safeguarded against loss, you can leaverage 100 mill dollar with say 3 mill dollar and when selling you get a 4% gain in one month, that gives you 1 million dollar gain for that time and so you proceed. Money makes money!”

    You show me a high end leveraged investment where your investment is safeguarded against loss, i really truly want to know, and i imagine everyone else here does too!
    No need for gpp, we can just leverage a few hundred at no risk, then keep compounding it, what do you say EXTAN?

    Comment by Blade68 — 1st May 2008 @ 9:35 pm

  890. My goodness, these last statements from 779 to 885 hits the mark directly on the head!!

    Again amusing and sad.

    Eagle,
    That 5 month summation is one of the best that I’ve seen on this scam! You are right, that was another good one!

    JH, Jacob and Rokka,
    Yes we can all see the scam action here. No basis, no financial calculations shared, and when talking about the money we get these 2 or three sentence answers, if any at all.

    Extan, I must say, as I have suspected from the very beginning that you are involved in this scam! How can you not be? It’s like being on a wooden boat, in the middle of the ocean, which is burning up, and you saying, “we are almost there, just wait”! Yes, wait to get fried! In effect that is what happened here. Seriously though… If I’m mistaken, and that is very possible, I’m sorry, once again…

    Rokka,
    You made a good point on this money going in to GPP… This money is being used to make money on their end. Have you noticed how much action is being going on w/ GPP in relation to the FOREX? I suspect that they are trading monies, perhaps making some additional money in the process, but this possibly is also used to launder money.

    When we all get down to it though… How can some sham business, who does not want to be identified, with a sucky website that is always down, who supposedly have some Stella clown (managing all of this money), actually exist? I tell you, if I had these facts I would laugh, and prevent others from GIVING them their money…

    As mentioned, large banking institutions are handling Billions, and in many cases posting losses. The point that I’d like to make here is that there are thousands of people working at these institutions. Sounds like there are about 20 or 30 people operating this scam (handling these billions).

    So a Billion = a thousand Million… You think these clowns have one person managing this much money!?!

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 2nd May 2008 @ 2:07 am

  891. Hi everyone, seems I hit a nerve somewhere? It actually takes many pages to explain where those bank investments can be had by the rich people (not me, just waiting like a fool for GPP to pay out), maybe look at the “International Chamber of Commerce”, not to be confused with your local Ch. o. Com. and take your research from there.

    Yesterday I had to reformat my HDrive and install everything new, hope now it will go better… hope Stella wakes up soon!

    Comment by Extan — 2nd May 2008 @ 5:12 pm

  892. “…maybe look at the “International Chamber of Commerce”

    Especially this page:

    http://www.icc-ccs.org/fib/overview.php

    Send them a link to GPP’s site. ; )

    Comment by JH — 2nd May 2008 @ 6:03 pm

  893. Sounds to me as though Extan is referring to that venerable old scam, the bank debenture programme. Promoters always quoted various ICC documents to ‘prove’ their legitimacy. It may be enjoying a renaissance as I see that HCI25 include it in their programme.

    Comment by Owen Platt — 2nd May 2008 @ 6:58 pm

  894. Hey you all, dig this… My friends, don’t let your friends invest in these RPP’s. They are ALL SCAMS!!! I got this off of a site… Founds this when looking around after viewing JH’s site.

    —————————————————-
    WorldPensionClub.com

    First, we will analyze WorldPensionClub, (WPC) program. If copying is a sign of flattery, then credit should be given here as the verbiage down to the FAQs is copied exactly from the Global Pension Plan site. They are at least smart enough to change the program names.

    WPC differentiates itself by offering three unique bonuses to entice members. The first is a free signup for the first 250 members, then the first 1000 members get a bonus 10,000 Euros and finally, the member with the most referrals get a whopping bonus of 1 Million Euros.

    The most obvious red flag one should notice about WorldPensionClub is the fact they are using a HYIP script to run their site. Shell out a $100 and you can buy “Script4Profit” to run your own scam. Do you think a business that is about to make Billions of dollars at least could have a more professional looking website and paying for better software that gives a little more trust?

    Pinging WorldPensionClub returns an IP of 216.75.56.130 and doing a quick reverse Whois lookup, shows us that this domain is located here in the U.S. I don’t know about you, but programs like these that are located in the U.S. are highly illegal if they are not registered with the SEC if the program is actually legit.

    OrgName: California Regional Intranet, Inc.
    OrgID: CALI
    Address: 8929A COMPLEX DRIVE
    City: SAN DIEGO
    StateProv: CA
    PostalCode: 92123
    Country: US
    ReferralServer: rwhois://rwhois.cari.net:4321
    NetRange: 216.75.0.0 – 216.75.63.255
    CIDR: 216.75.0.0/18
    NetName: CARI-4
    NetHandle: NET-216-75-0-0-1

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 2nd May 2008 @ 7:20 pm

  895. It is so much fun taking trips down memory lane, so I thought I would do one more. In the very early stages of GPP, Stella did a Q&A, and here is just one Q&A of importance, and I quote:

    “Q: What does the Trust Partner pay in this Program?
    A: The Trust Partner pays about $4 – $5 per every new member in addition to the membership fee of $30 EUR out of it’s own pocket currently. So please understand the collected membership fees of $3,5M is actually -$450,000 for them. They decided to set the fee to $30 EUR to show some goodwill, but also because $40 would have been too much for most of the people.”

    Now let’s be perfectly clear, there are no policies; but for the sake of arguement, let’s pretend they do. So if this is true, then the Trust partners must be really taking a beating selling these additional policies initially at a discount, and now selling them at a deep discount.

    Now do any of you really believe any of this? Do you really think that a difference of $10 per “policy” was too much for most of the people as claimed? This was shot down when they offered additional policies to be purchased, and they were by most of the people. Do you still believe this is real?

    Comment by EagleOne — 2nd May 2008 @ 11:05 pm

  896. Fantasy land continues with the latest update from Stella. Not sure which Stella wrote this one, but it wasn’t “the Stella” we have all come to know and love. ROFLOL! Contradicts herself several times, but the faithful will lap it up as being a “positive” sign things are well in GPP land. Besides it is all the members fault for all this negativity because some post her updates on the open forums. Talk about creative writing, and most of it is total nonsense. But we will have Extan, EXTAN, extan, and extant “praising” Stella’s update as being a very “positive” sign GPP will pay out. ROFLOL!

    Comment by EagleOne — 3rd May 2008 @ 8:01 am

  897. Seems this blog is dying out, we’ll see around the end of June :-). In Afrikaans we would say, “hier is net n klomp sotte”.

    Stellas letter… strange how she handles it, she is just hurting GPP’s image by posting a long letter and then she is keeping quiet again for a long time, rather unprofessional! Overall I think she was just buying a bit more time and she knows she can shove us around, no matter what!!

    Enjoy your weekend

    Comment by EXTAN — 3rd May 2008 @ 7:02 pm

  898. What’s wrong, extan? Loosing your faith for GPP, are you now? With all the inconsistencies, it’s totally understandable. well, the sooner people realise that they have been scammed, the sooner they can move on. And hopefully won’t fall for these kind of scams again.
    Aren’t I right, Extan?

    Comment by Rokka — 3rd May 2008 @ 8:20 pm

  899. Nothing wrong, Rokka, GPP will pay out, but they have more time than Africa time if you know what I mean. Every human has his own style and Stella is playing boss, so we must feel like little children until she plays “father Christmas” and puts some money under our pillows!

    Sleep tight and dream about Finland 🙂

    Comment by EXTAN — 3rd May 2008 @ 9:16 pm

  900. Extan,

    I see… So I suppose that Stella will disburse all of these millions to everyone… Something is not quite right huh? Don’t you recall Stella contradicting herself SEVERAL times? I do. Wouldn’t this raise a red flag?

    Well, in English, we would say, “We’ve Been Scamed”!

    By now everyone can see that we have continually been scammed!!! Look at this! SIX MONTHS!!! SIX MONTHS!!! Surely no one could at this point thisnk that this is a valid program. I have come to the realization long ago that this was a scam. As I continue ti say, I simply do not want others to get involved in this blatant stealing of money.

    Speaking of money, which overseas internet bank are people sending money to now?

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 3rd May 2008 @ 10:28 pm

  901. Hi Mike, think you got a bit more friendly, thanks 🙂 . Anyway, GPP act very crude, usually it does not make sense, but they have to protect themselves from a horde of trouble makers, not to mention various deranged types, such as hackers, etc. But finally I predict!! that payout date will be at the end of June. They will need about 8 weeks to process the incoming certificates etc, I could think of an automated system that could do it in about 2 days!

    Raining here, getting winter, tomorrow back to work, Ben my IP will change again…, I installed new virus software here, so hopefully not have to re-do this PC installation again.

    Comment by EXTAN — 4th May 2008 @ 9:05 am

  902. EXTAN: I found your statement, and I quote: ” But finally I predict!! that payout date will be at the end of June. They will need about 8 weeks to process the incoming certificates etc, I could think of an automated system that could do it in about 2 days!” quite interesting.

    If it is, as you claim, going to take them 8 weeks to process the documents, there is no way they can make an end of June payout. The reason being is they haven’t even started requesting the documents be sent in, and even if they were going to ask this, it will be the end of this month at the earliest, allowing the entire month of June for everyone to get them in.

    Of course another telling part of your statement shows the fallacy of GPP by saying there is a system that can process this in 2 days. Not that the system does not exist, but that is not how real pension plans are processed by insurance companies. This notion that all you have to do is allow them to use your name, you send in a document or two proving you are who you say you are is a joke. Real pension plans require the applicant, that means each member of GPP, to complete and send in the application to the insurance company. They do not allow a 3rd party broker to complete applications for an applicant. The member must sign the application, or there is no application. Of course we are supposed to believe that the Trust has made arrangements with an insurance company to violate all these rules, and get an exception.

    But you are right about one thing, and that is this will be over by the end of June; but not as you say. I give them until the end of June to disappear. Actually I will be surprised if they last past the end of this month. The only way they will is because they have members still buying more policies, and they don’t think they have to worry about the “authorities” finding them. If they do think the “authorities” will find them, they will be gone in a heartbeat.

    As to your other comments about the “trouble makers and hackers,” I find this laughable. I thought these people were PROFESSIONALS!, at least that is what they said in the beginning. Don’t you just love how “actions” speak louder than “words.” But I will say this, and this is being positive, they are PROFESSIONAL screwups and conmen.

    Comment by EagleOne — 4th May 2008 @ 6:14 pm

  903. EXTAN: Just for fun, I decided to run a few numbers just for you. For GPP to process 250,000 policies in one month, they would need to process 8,334 policies per day, working 24/7 every day. For them to do it with a normal month of working days (22), they would need to process 11,364 policies per working day.

    Now I used 250,000 because no-one knows just how many additional policies have been bought of the additional 250,000 made available. We know not all have been bought, as they are still selling policies. So I just used the initial 100,000 and added another 150,000 of these 250,000 additional policies. Even if you allow 2 months to process the policies, it would take them processing 4,167 policies per day working 60 days 24/7; and 5,682 per day working 44 days.

    Now consider that an insurance company usually has an employee ratio of 10 employees to one policy application, do you really believe that GPP has access to over 1 million people to process these policies, or there is an insurance company that has this many employees in their pension department?

    Tell me how this is real again.

    Comment by EagleOne — 4th May 2008 @ 9:07 pm

  904. Have you all seen “Gone is 60 seconds”? Was a great movie, Nicolas Cage… I suspect that you all know about “Gone in 60 days”. It stars Stella and GPP.

    Can we say here we go again! Another major insult to our intelligence. No what kind of Billion dollar company, can’t buy an over the counter program to process statements!! Extan, I’m sorry, but that makes no sense. As Eagle mentioned, how could payments be made if you have not asked for info?

    Yes, to this nonsense about hackers… I would think that a BILLION dollar company could swing $50 for Norton Antivirus program or the like. I say that jokingly, but it is the truth. Such a sorry security system, is not worthy of putting your name and address on (eventhough you could find this in a telephone book). A securty system that bad, surely should not be considered for financial transactions!

    I guess you can tell Stella that every so often the internet cafe’ must shut down every so often to install antivirus software. Actually I don’t believe that either. Should take about 15 mins? Oh yea, and what’s with all of these problems that you are having w/ your computer? Sounds like you are having as many as GPP.

    I’ll tell you all, this is bad…really bad. Pitiful quite honestly.

    My friends, at this point could there truly be ANYONE that would now fall for this scam? I really can’t immagine anyone reading this board would think so. I’d rather light a match to two twenty dollar bills than to give away to scammers. This way I’d be sure to get at least some heat and a little bit of light from that money.

    Anyone know how/where these monies are being obtained for GPP? I’m courious to see how they are still suckering people to get into this scam.

    Oh, by the way, has anyone noticed how VERY VERY MANY, of these scams have names beginning with “Global”. Quite a few of these financial schemes begin with this name. Are they related? I don’t know, but I would not be surprised NOT ONE BIT!!!

    I thought of something kind of funny. You all remember when that other GPP site came up? There of course was alot of confusion going on there… I don’t know what the deal was, but if it was in fact another entity, moving in oth their scratch(money), isn’t if funny how quickly “stella” got on the stick and let everyone know about this!

    So, who still believes in GPP, How many are still hoping for the best, and how many suspect/know that this is a scam. I pretty much know that it is a scam. Nothing to back it up, and not one ANYWHERE has paid off! NOT ONE! Just curious.

    Extan, I don’t believe that you really believe in this either. I would be one to suspect that you have your house’s value wrapped up into this scam. I more so, think that you are a player as you have all of this info from Stella. Why don’t you get her to have a couple of words with us. She can’t be but so busy, because she apparently hasn’t done anything in the past 6 months…

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 4th May 2008 @ 9:12 pm

  905. Eagle,
    Just read your last post. What an excellent example of how very much of a scam this is.

    People,
    You’ll surely have to take a look at Eagles last post. This shows how rediculous this end of June statement was.

    Oh yes, I wanted to mention this:
    Do you all remeber, when I noted that the actual Stella said that the April pay out would not happen and that they would need at least 2 more months! Yes, said that it WAS NOT going to happen. This was posted directly from GPP’s site to another BLOG. Almost insulting. I’d be tempted to find that myself.

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 4th May 2008 @ 9:22 pm

  906. 2 many lines to read, Mike, I just had to fix my keyboard, handyman, let me brag again 🙂 the S s did not want to work, waiting for Stella to send some money…, actually XP installed USB1 only but the M-board has USB2 (6 x faster scanning) so I do not need to buy a better board. Anyway we think it will be more towards the end of JULY before GPP can fork out our money. Winter is here, tomorrow back to work until GPP will set us free!!!

    Comment by EXTAN — 4th May 2008 @ 10:50 pm

  907. EXTAN: Your resume is getting longer than my arm, but I noticed you conveniently ignored my post regarding the number of policies they would need to process on a daily basis to issue all the policies. Of course when you have no answer, the best defense is always to ignore the question, and hope it goes away, or no-one will bother to press you for an answer.

    Guess that might have caused you to change from an end of June payout to your now prediction of the end of July. Actually if this were real, it would take them until June of next year to process just half the amount of policies, and that means working 24/7. By the way, if they issue all 350,000, that is 11,667 policies per day working 24/7, or if just a standard working month, 15,909 per day. Don’t you just love math? Since you are such an expert in math (because you have told us so numerous times), I knew you would especially appreciate these numbers. So being the whiz in math that your are, want to figure out how many employees it would take for them to accomplish this task by the end of next June, let alone this July?

    Would love to hear your explanation on how GPP is going to pull of this miracle. Now I realize that Stella is a one woman whiz-bang, but if it is taking her this long to just process a few hundred refunds for December, what makes you think she will perform this miracle in a month or two?

    Comment by EagleOne — 5th May 2008 @ 4:58 am

  908. EagleOne, sorry I like to relax on this blog, why should one try to calculate how long it will take to process all the certificates. I would issue forms to be filled “into blocks” (one letter per block)which can be read by automated machines, we are in 2008 and no use to do it manually, that’s all. End of July payout seems to be a better prediction to accommodate GPP’s slowness, no idea why they cannot speed up?? Honestly, we just have to wait, Stella feels very strong, hope she is not getting a drag-queen 🙂 …

    Comment by EXTAN — 5th May 2008 @ 10:41 am

  909. EXTAN, it’s funny to see how you won’t let logical thinking and reasoning get in the way of your child-like belief in GPP and “stella”.
    How about answering to at least one question posted to you in this blog?
    Just one question, it’s not that hard.
    You just like to blow your own horn here, and not provide anything to back your claims about GPP. That exactly proves that you’re involved in this scam, and you get some benefit for writing positive statements about GPP.
    In every online-scam there has been an “EXTAN” or two, writing in forums, telling how the scam is actually real with some vague insinuations and “facts”. I would be amazed to see EXTAN provide any comment that has some actual value. He should take some hints about Eagles way of writing, now there’s an example how to write an argument. Keep up the good work!

    Comment by Rokka — 5th May 2008 @ 2:24 pm

  910. Rokka what question do you have???????????????????? Sorry you will not unsettle me, don’t think EagleOne (or Mike) talks much sense and I’m not writing for Stella. My/our prediction about GPP’s payout comes purely from a 6th sense if you know anything about that, as well as knowledge about typical human behaviour. Since Stella does not act professionally anything can happen, but I’m quite sure eventually it will be positive, you just need some faith like believing in God if you get really sick!

    Comment by EXTAN — 5th May 2008 @ 3:02 pm

  911. Ok, EXTAN. Here’s some questions:
    -How are the trust partners?
    -Which insurance company is providing the pension insurance?
    -Which countries deemed GPP as legit?
    -Who are the persons(besides you) behind GPP?
    There’s few for a start. I can say that, anything that Eagle or Mike writes makes a whole lot more sense then your BS about 6th sense, human behaviour and faith.
    Want to know what my 6th sense says about GPP? I can tell you it’s one word 🙂

    Comment by Rokka — 5th May 2008 @ 6:24 pm

  912. EXTAN: Thanks for your non-reply, but exactly what I knew you would do. Guess you forget all those insurance companies that have all those employees doing the work that your “automated” system performs for them. But that is not how a “REAL” pension application works. For someone who ‘claims’ to know so much, you really ‘know’ so little when it comes to how “real insurance companies work,” or how to spot a scam.

    But what was truly amazing in your post was this notion that only when you are really sick you believe in God. At least that is the way you wrote it. My belief in God has nothing to do with whether I am really sick or not, or going through any trials of life that come my way. It is an every day occurrence. I do not equate believing in God with believing in Stella and GPP. For you to equate the two really tells me a lot about you.

    As for your 6th sense telling you this is real, well my 6th sense (as well as all my senses) tells me this is a scam. So if 6th senses are real, then how can ours be opposite?

    Comment by EagleOne — 5th May 2008 @ 6:31 pm

  913. Comes from a sixth sense huh? Now that’s really the way to plan your investmnet!

    I’ll be back shortly to address that long email, into a shorter one later today…

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 5th May 2008 @ 6:57 pm

  914. I am finding these trips down memory lane to be quite informative. For example, early on Stellas let the cat out of the bag and named two of the 5 trust partners. Yes siree, she did. And I quote, “As the Trust Partners of GPP [Olle Bergstrom, Sweden / Carita Gillison, Spain] have said in their last Update, “…Our ambition is to have the payout before the end of the year so we can have the Christmas Of Our Lives. And that is no hard work! If everyone just sign up ONE new member a month and tell the new ones to do the same, in one month we will be 14.000 members. In two months 28.000. In three months 56.000, and in four months we have reached the goal. That would be in the mid of September, so enough time for administration to get the funds before Christmas…”

    Now I wonder if they are still part of the Trust? At least 2 of the mysterious 5 have been revealed, and by Stella no less. Don’t you just love it. I know I do.

    Comment by EagleOne — 6th May 2008 @ 5:27 am

  915. I think Stella really sums it up in this last small paragraph,she is telling us plain and simple what GPP is all about in this last update that she posted a few days ago in the forum on May 2

    Stella wrote:
    “Please continue with your normal life, earn your money you need for your living, keep yourself updated in our forum and do what we tell you to do and then some fine day not very far from now anymore we will let you know that your money is on your account! So please don’t spend the money just yet!

    Keep it light keep it positive! That is the way we will finally win!

    Have a wonderful weekend!

    Regards,
    Stella ”

    Now I don’t know about anyone else,but she is saying it straight out,telling us to back off! keep hoping that one day the BS their spitting will come through! But telling us don’t hold our breath,because it will not be happening any time soon. So Stella suggest we go on with our lives and continue living,living while we still supposedly should still continue to be buying more policies and supporting GPP! Please! And Extan I am a positive person,believe me, and I trust in God,but at this point with GPP who are we kidding??? Every month theres an excuse?? Every month they some how haave not reached the 100,000..when just a few months ago,correct me if I’m wrong..they had reached their target of 100,000..then the banking licence?one moment their approved the next their still waiting for just one more to come through?? You want me to stay positive,then I’ll be positive! now can you be positive that GPP will pay out,and can you give me a positive time when we will get payed…and Rokka brings up a good point why do you avoid the questions we all have asked of you Extan?? What countries approved GPP? How do you know?? let us in on your little secret?

    Comment by jacob — 6th May 2008 @ 5:53 am

  916. First of all I’m not part of GPP and they told us that the officials gave them a good bill of health which of course you will not believe. Actually I have no answers to those questions because I’m not part of them and frankly I do not have to answer any questions, because I’m not employed by them. Maybe just forget whatever I have said because everything was true to type and you are just a bunch of trouble makers.

    Have a good day 🙂

    Comment by EXTAN — 6th May 2008 @ 9:44 am

  917. How come “stellas” latest update sounds lot like EXTANs usual ramblings, anybody noticed the same? : )
    I came to a conclusion that if this EXTAN isn’t one of the scammers, he is one of those people with big downlines. He probably referred GPP to lots of people with his conspiracy theories and faith. He probably counted on those “referral bonuses up to 12 levels” to make a good deal of money, because 55000$ alone doesn’t provide financial freedom for a long time.
    Now that S–t is hitting the fan, there’s no other way then keep up the faith and positive appearance. Because admitting that he has been screwed, might just be too much to deal with. Eventually GPP will be forgotten when some other same kind of “get rich quick”-scheme comes along.
    GPP and believing or doubting in it, has nothing to do with faith and positive thinking, but only with logical thinking and plain common sense. But not all people are equipped with these qualities.
    Luckily many of people writing comments here are.

    Comment by Rokka — 6th May 2008 @ 9:51 am

  918. Which officials were those who gave good bill of health to GPP?
    I’ll believe you, if you provide info that anybody can verify.
    Of course, you won’t answer to this question, just like any other question for that matter. And you’re right, you’re not obligated to answer any of the questions. But you do realise that by not answering and still supporting GPP, you bring your credibility close to a zero?
    Sorry for being an trouble maker and raining on your parade 🙂
    Just keep your child-like faith…

    Comment by Rokka — 6th May 2008 @ 10:04 am

  919. Obviously the officials of the banking solution Stella was talking about, you just have to read her last letter, does it ring a bell and now I have answered your question, thought my last post was clear about this!! God this is getting really dumb!! Rokka you seem to get frustrated and rude towards me, I do not have any downline, my beautiful girlfriend has, maybe she will give me a few cents if I send her some flowers 🙂 .

    Net ‘n klomp sotte on this blog!!!

    Comment by EXTAN — 6th May 2008 @ 2:00 pm

  920. Well sorry, EXTAN. Didn’t mean to be rude, so sorry if I hurt your feelings:)
    But you know how the saying goes: “if you can’t stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen”.
    How about finnish officials deeming GPP as a scam, any opinions on that one? You do know that, it’s those GOVERMENT officials who in the last hand say what’s legal, and what’s not.
    My 6th sense also says GPP is a scam, you do know something about 6th sense, do you?

    Comment by Rokka — 6th May 2008 @ 3:25 pm

  921. EXTAN: I want to clarify something you said. When you said, and I quote: “they told us that the officials gave them a good bill of health,” I took it to mean “they” being GPP/Stella. If so, that is not true. Only the promoters of GPP have said this. Stella has never posted any such information, and of course the Trust has not posted any such information. When the promoter’s were asked to provide the details regarding this statement, we got the usual song and dance response. Meaning, they made it up to try and take heat off the Finnish regulatory agencies investigation. So if GPP or Stella said this, please provide the quote proving it. Otherwise this is just another smoke and mirror, and attempt to deflect negative information about GPP with the Finnish investigation.

    I also find your statement that you are being “picked on” quite an interesting take. I have noticed that you like to dish it out, but you don’t like being on the receiving end. Whether or not you are a part of GPP only time will tell. You are not alone in making statements making it sound like you are in the “know” with GPP, but claim you are not a part of GPP. Sort of like trying to have it both ways. But if what you say is true then you will have a hard time trying to explain why you, not being a part of GPP, would be privy to this information before the membership was so informed. So either you are trying to play the role “I am in the know, but don’t really know crap to build up your ego and sound important;” or “you are in the know, and trying to claim you are not part of GPP.”

    Which makes the latter part quite an interesting position. If you are so sure GPP will pay out, as you claim, then why would you be afraid to say you are a part of GPP if you really are? If this is so legitimate, what are you afraid of by not admitting your role in GPP? Now I don’t believe for one minute you will even address or try to answer any of these questions. To do so would truly reveal if you do or don’t have a role in GPP. I just find it odd that those who support it the most all claim they are not a part of GPP; but they are privy to inside information and GPP is real. What a riot.

    Comment by EagleOne — 6th May 2008 @ 7:31 pm

  922. Eagle, don’t forget that EXTANs famous 6th sense and excellent knowledge of human behaviour 🙂 You’re absolutely right about him, one can not tell if he’s a bird or a fish.My guess is that he’s just easily gullible and believes everything he’s told by GPP, just like a little child.Deep down inside he knows it’s a scam, but just can’t face the cruel reality.

    Comment by Rokka — 6th May 2008 @ 8:24 pm

  923. Eagle,

    Again, I must say that I could not agree with you more. This nonsense about “the officials”. That’s crap! Extan why don’t you name these elusive officials. Oh, you can’t? We’ll let’s just say that I knew that. Prove me wrong if you are so brave. Who thinks that we’ll get that answer.

    There were aome considerations that I gave to your position dealing w/ GPP. Yes, you could be a GPP investor (no, I mean your beautiful girlfriend), but that wouldn’t make sense. I’m pretty sure that you are either Stella or is working closely with them, or “her”.

    My friends,
    This last statement from Stella was just too much! Keep on living and get the cash when you get it! Sounds to me like “don’t call me period!”

    You know, lies have a way of bringing themselves to the surface. Tell one lie, you must tell another, then another , then another. By now we’ve caught them in so many that it simply does not make sense to believe a word that they are saying.

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 7th May 2008 @ 2:38 am

  924. So much crap from you, you do not seem to understand what a church mouse knows, please get a life and talk some sense, it simply beats me. You are very sick indeed. GPP will pay out, we will just have to wait a bit longer.

    Comment by EXTAN — 7th May 2008 @ 5:41 am

  925. Behold, the mighty EXTAN master of arguments 🙂
    It’s you who’s not making any sense, others here are at least backing up their claims. You have done none of the kind. Lay down some facts why you think GPP is going to pay out, or just be quiet. Bragging about your self here, really serves no purpose. Let the subject and facts do the arguments, not people. You brought this criticism upon yourself, if you wan’t someone to blame, take a look in the mirror…

    Comment by Rokka — 7th May 2008 @ 10:07 am

  926. Rokka, you simply do not understand the simplest grad 1 sentence, just looking for trouble, I have never met such scam lovers anywhere, pick pick pick on anything that does not scam. GPP will be ok and you will cry! Please stop this nonsense!! So when does Mike post a looooooooog letter again full of useless ramblings?

    Comment by EXTAN — 7th May 2008 @ 10:33 am

  927. Just thought about what I can brag again, very boring here at work, well below my vuurmaak plek, so I’m waiting for GPP to pay out, then I can do more interesting work like marketing my patents, etc.

    Comment by EXTAN — 7th May 2008 @ 11:48 am

  928. How am I looking for trouble, explain me, EXTAN?
    I base my claim about GPP beeing a scam on the facts that:
    -Nobody knows who are the “trust partners”,insurance company issuing pension insurances, or which banks are involved.
    -Nobody knows who are people behind GPP.
    -Finnish authorities have started investigation about GPPs legality.
    -GPP works without any necessary licenses from goverment authorities.
    -numbers don’t add up, countless sites have proven how RPPs just do not work.
    -GPP is only promoted from person to person. or over the internet.
    -It’s in a way a pyramid scheme, where one benefits from recruiting others to join. Pyramid schemes are illegal, you know.

    Of course, in this pyramid even the top of pyramid won’t get anything. Just the persons who started GPP the money, since there’s not going to be any payout.
    I do not pick on something that does not scam, I pick on something that does scam, like GPP. How are these writings hurting you or GPP, please do tell, EXTAN? I do agree with you in something, mikes writings can be little bit longish, but at least they make lot more sense then yours. You just seem to neglect anything that contradicts your opinion, instead of facing it with arguments of your own.
    You can call me sick again, if it makes you feel better, I don’t mind. But how about telling some actual facts why you think GPP will pay out, in oppose to ones I said?

    Comment by Rokka — 7th May 2008 @ 1:34 pm

  929. Hello to everyone again!My last post i guess was send on Feb.Nice to read you coments here again!Nothing new i guess…Hei Rokka!I’m so happy that you tell here your opinion about gpp and is nice too that everyone also participate here.I’m afraid that Extan put in here all he got for a reason.I don’t understand why he is that much ~£¥¤ to everybody here,that interest for say the last word here in a childest way,makes him very susp.Don’t you think so?I think you have to get a life not Rokka,you are allready here half of yours and you don’t know anything more that talking about you and talking about us without respect,you are so young or you have a child mind if you put to much about your self,every time some one here make a opinion and HELLO!!.this is a scam blog,isn’t ?

    Comment by SALT — 8th May 2008 @ 12:12 am

  930. EXTAN,
    If you have to make all of this stuff up on a constant basis, how can you be taken for real? For example if you really had all of these degrees and such you would be able to show us how, and possible ways that this program could actually work. Why don’t you show us with hypothetical numbers? Prove yourself…

    Yes, why not? You don’t even have to tell us that you are about to ride a rocket around the world, then hurt ourself somehow for sympathy.

    Extan, my posts too long huh? Well at least my statements has some kind of backing. Other than your “hey, it’s about to pay” ramblings! This with no backing other than telling us all about your next trip, vacation or some other non GPP related subject to go on

    By the way, why would I be sad if GPP was to pay out? I sure would not cry… I’d be extreemly happy for all involved in this scam.

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 8th May 2008 @ 12:27 am

  931. I was just wondering if any of you found it odd that Stella, the customer service/admin rep for GPP had to be ‘vetted’ for the banking license? The only way this would be required is if Stella was one of the principal’s of this so-called “Trust.” A lowly admin or customer service rep would not be required to be ‘vetted.’ Don’t you just love how Stella embellishes her impportance, just as someone else on this forum feels a need to embellish his importance. Hmmmmmmm, wonder if it is just a co-incidence?

    Comment by EagleOne — 8th May 2008 @ 2:38 am

  932. Speaking of being ‘vetted,’ EXTAN did they ‘vet’ you too? Was just wondering. I am surprised they didn’t ‘vet’ the janitor too. It seems that anyone within the organization had to be ‘vetted,’ no matter what their role. LOL!

    Comment by EagleOne — 8th May 2008 @ 8:03 am

  933. I was wondering if anyone had tried to contact Ollie and Carita, the two Trust members Stella mentioned in the early stages of GPP, yet to see what they have to say about the delays, etc.?

    Comment by EagleOne — 8th May 2008 @ 8:10 am

  934. EagleOne – how would you suggest contacting the two fictitious trust partners? Do you have a private line????????
    And what would be the point?

    Comment by Owen Platt — 8th May 2008 @ 9:16 am

  935. Well if you consider that your letters have some content, I beg to differ, first of all, a negative mind can proof ANYTHING wrong, very easy, just moan and moan, it works! Mike you seem to love yourself, your letters… just let me ignore them. On the whole this blog is a no no, it serves no purpose!! Salt is a little creep, or see how it runs?

    Comment by EXTAN — 8th May 2008 @ 12:07 pm

  936. why contact the trust partners, do you think they will give you some money? Beats me hands down!!!

    Comment by EXTAN — 8th May 2008 @ 12:10 pm

  937. My Fok Extan jy lyk soos n donderse aap op die forums.

    Maak sin as jy iets wil skryf

    Ek en my ma het ook geld in Global , maar dit lyk nie asof ons enige iets gaan sien nie.

    Ek probeur ook positief bly maar dit is darem moeilikke. Meskien moet ons wakker word en sien dat tannie ‘Stelle’ ons geld gesteel het

    Comment by Jason — 8th May 2008 @ 12:58 pm

  938. Jason,

    English only please on this blog. Any further posts containing other languages will be deleted.

    Thanks,

    Ben

    Comment by Ben — 8th May 2008 @ 1:10 pm

  939. Sorry Ben

    The translation basically is that I told EXTAN to stop being a monkey, told him to write sense and listen to the thoughtful posts on this site.

    [Addition by Ben: Thanks Jason, sorry if I sounded harsh]

    I have cash in Global, and for some time really looked forward to the payout and the release that it would bring from my financial misery. In hindsite, I can see I was a fool, but these companies prey on people with little hope.

    I am however looking forward to see how this train wreck unravels.

    Comment by Jason — 8th May 2008 @ 1:25 pm

  940. “Avoid the scams, find out which Business Opportunities actually works”

    EXTAN, this what is says on the header of the blog. You do know, avoid the scams like GPP.
    And also blindlly positive mind can prove anything correct, even against facts and logic. I think this blog is serving a good purpose, my hat of to Ben for that. This blog is excellent in my opinion, since it offers everybody chance to make themselves heard and share their view. Even someone like you EXTAN, can defend you opinion here, would be better if you could offer some facts to back it up, though…

    Comment by Rokka — 8th May 2008 @ 1:29 pm

  941. EXTAN,

    Is this all that you can say? I’m negative? Well you may ignore my msgs, but there are many who will not! They will see your evading of valid questions. Just ask Stella (since you have this great access to her). I wonder if she’ll give the same response?

    Rokka, makes a good point. Please back up your answers with some valid information. We are all here to learn of this program. Although I am one who believes that this is a scam (no, I’m sure that it is a scam), I would like to see some info that could prove me wrong! I really would love to see this. People who can’t afford to be scammed, and others who have these very large downlines are waiting.

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 8th May 2008 @ 3:04 pm

  942. Jason I know what a monkey looks like, had some tame ones on the farm in Namibia (near the Waterberg), if they grow up you have to set them free because they get dangerous, but I think a gorilla looks even better than some scam lovers! As to providing some theories about GPP, have done a lot of it but the IQ of the readers here seems to be very shallow, you know when you bump your head against a solid wall, no water comes out!!!!

    Comment by EXTAN — 8th May 2008 @ 3:21 pm

  943. U know what I do use a different user name and who cares? I do read on this blog. It’s the same rubbish each and every day, who cares? I don’t, and i think many OTHERS, do NOT care at all, either about every ones day or WHAT they do with it. There are web sites for that. — I went to the Bahamas on the weekend and how relaxing, anyway back to the GPP. What a CROCK OF SH-T. Who Cares?

    This is not one of those my space sites so – P off if you have no real info on the GPP, whether good or bad. Otherwise Change the channel and I unfortunately have to say Grow UP.

    Oh, and why doesn’t every check out Bens advertising sites, he at least deserves that, I already feel real crappy about most things on this site.

    Support folks that’s what Ben Deserves. Like me or love me, I Don’t Care.

    Even those of you that react to the sarcasms of Extan are just as bad as the sarcasm it’s self.

    Now you either are focused on the GPP or you are just here out of Boredom.

    Who cares what extan does or doesn’t do. Hike, get sick, get better, hike again. Do petrol crap or NOT. His work!!!!!! You guys ever heard of reverse psychology, he’s using it on ALL of you!!!…. Lol.

    Even a child, WILL mis-behave, just for attention, BE it BAD or GOOD, to them it is SO WHAT!!! It’s — ATTENTION. HELLO!!!!! Metaphorically speaking Does a fisherman like to dangle bait, in hopes of catching a fish. When you DO catch that fish, do you think what A fool that fish is? – But there are smart fish that know a Bait when they See one. And Get on with their day.

    GPP is all that matters to all the…un-Commenters here and I know of at least Fifty that don’t write on here but read nothing but DISAPOINTMENT, And what used to be A once a day read is now not even every Two , Three days. Some go a week or so, that used to read every day. Its all without a worry, what have they missed out on, Extans DAY!!! Not some important info on GPP.

    Any info is appreciated and we are all hoping and praying, but most of us feel like family with one interest. WE are all in the same boat. It’s a waiting game. Let it Breath…

    P.S Change your tactics as they are boring AS. I don’t mean Extan but all that – sercumm to his or her games. Psychology is and can be used as a game. Remember the movie BASIC INSTINCT. Clever Girl, Had EM all biting the BAIT.

    We only care about one common Denominator and that is the Question: Is this a game or a fact…. GPP?

    Comment by Who Cares — 8th May 2008 @ 4:29 pm

  944. Is that all you can come up with, EXTAN? Insults, and more insults…
    Your BS has reached a new level, just when i thought you couldn’t be any dummer. You’re obviously a scammer yourself, or paid cheerleader for GPP-scam. Now that your cover is blown, you can just crawl back under the rock you came from.

    Comment by Rokka — 8th May 2008 @ 4:59 pm

  945. Owen: Are you saying that Stella “LIED?” Ollie and Carita were just made up by her? How could this be? Why she is the do all, know all, indispensable admin, paralegal, and contract expert on banking licenses. Hmmmmm, if that is true, then one has to wonder what else Stella has “LIED” about.

    Comment by EagleOne — 8th May 2008 @ 6:07 pm

  946. EXTAN
    as usual you have to resort to insults because you can not argue a point. My IQ is 153, i doubt yours is half that.
    I have read most if not all of your posts and i have never read any of your theories on how gpp can work.
    And your use of english is terrible.

    Comment by Blade68 — 8th May 2008 @ 6:08 pm

  947. Rokka: When all you have is insults, that is what you get. Now we can add animal trainer to EXTAN’s list of accomplishments.

    Interesting isn’t it that for anyone who dares question the validity of GPP, the supporters demand “proof” it is a scam. And when you do, they refuse to accept it; and that is when the insults start. But when you request their “proof” that GPP is real, the excuses are longer than your arm as to why they won’t, and you are just to “believe” or think “positive.” Don’t you just love it. ROFLOL!

    Comment by EagleOne — 8th May 2008 @ 6:46 pm

  948. Eagle One – who’s Stella?????

    Comment by Owen Platt — 8th May 2008 @ 7:06 pm

  949. “Owen: Are you saying that Stella “LIED?” Ollie and Carita were just made up by her?…”

    Carita does appear to be real at least in that name. I found her on the web at one point. Looked like just another MLM player/promoter to me.

    Ollie (actually Olle with the accent mark on the e I think) was the person who put together the original PowerPoint and .PDF versions of sevearl presentations in various languages for GPP (his name is in the author properties for both). There was another guy whose name (also of apparent Scandinavian origin) was on some of the early stuff but I don’t recall it now. I’d have to look back to find it. I can’t do searches of Scandinavian languages well so didn’t try beyond a quick look. Maybe Rokka could do a better job there.

    Comment by JH — 8th May 2008 @ 7:52 pm

  950. JH,
    The other scandinavian guy you mentioned was Gunder Johansen, at least he was the author of the finnish GPP powerpoint-presentation, which was dated back to 20.6.2006. Don’t know if this info helps…

    Comment by Rokka — 8th May 2008 @ 8:58 pm

  951. Owen: In regard to your question, “Who’s Stella?” it depends on who you ask. For the faithful she is Wonder Woman, Super Woman, Bionic Woman, and Knows it all Woman all rolled into one. To the rest of us, we don’t have a clue; and it is possible Stella isn’t even a woman, and more than one person.

    I just found it interesting that early on Stella, whoever that is, named these two as being part of the Trust; then all of a sudden everything had to be hush-hush and incognito in stealth mode. Maybe the Finnish authorities might want to talk to them for their investigation into GPP since they are supposed to be Trust Partners. Just wondering.

    Comment by EagleOne — 8th May 2008 @ 10:54 pm

  952. “I just found it interesting that early on Stella, whoever that is, named these two as being part of the Trust…”

    Actually if you look at the original source where that’s coming from it’s not completely clear whether that was “Stella” saying that (naming the names), or if it was something that the person writing it had added. Again, I’d have to go back and look to find it but I remember that specific information was in parens or put in a way that it could have been read more that one way. It is clear that they were persons who were involved in promoting it early on.

    And thanks Rokka… that’s the name that I was thinking of.

    Comment by JH — 8th May 2008 @ 11:44 pm

  953. EXTAN,
    I was sure that you would not let me down… You pulled another rabbit out of the hat! Maybe I should say monkey. OK, so you have done everything. Fine.

    Who Cares,
    Do you believe in this program?

    JH,Rokka,
    How can I help in the finding of these clowns?

    I suspect that there are still policies being sold! This apparently was a great money maker! Ha, they are still here! Won’t be long I’ll bet. To sum up my meaning: GPP will be gone, along with the money.

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 9th May 2008 @ 2:09 am

  954. It is useless to try and help most of the people being scammed by GPP they just argue and fight against common logic. I have decided these people deserve to loose thier money. I actually hope to be the next person that takes it from them.

    My only interest in watching this unfold is the hope the I can move to a third world country, re-create a simular scam and avoid prosecution.

    Comment by Chicosan's Apprentice — 9th May 2008 @ 4:58 am

  955. J.H.: This came from a post where a person had sent Stella a bunch of questions, and she responded. From the way it was presented, the answers were from Stella. This exchange was quite a ways down, and it was in response as to when GPP would pay out. Stella’s answer was a long one, and then this anwer was tossed in, and I quote:
    “Q: How soon will be get paid our $55,000+??

    A: This is the one question that can’t really be given a concrete answer, because it depends entirely on how many people join, how soon they join, and how many others they quietly tell about this program.”

    She then goes on to list a long list of ways to get to the magical 100,000 figure, and then this quote:

    “As the Trust Partners of GPP [Olle Bergstrom, Sweden / Carita Gillison, Spain] have said in their last Update,

    “…Our ambition is to have the payout before the end of the year so we can have the Christmas Of Our Lives. And that is no hard work! If everyone just sign up ONE new member a month and tell the new ones to do the same, in one month we will be 14.000 members. In two months 28.000. In three months 56.000, and in four months we have reached the goal. That would be in the mid of September, so enough time for administration to get the funds before Christmas…”

    Thus why I believed it was from Stella. If it wasn’t, whoever wrote it sure made it sound as if it was Stella responding to this question.

    Comment by EagleOne — 9th May 2008 @ 5:13 am

  956. “As the Trust Partners of GPP [Olle Bergstrom, Sweden / Carita Gillison, Spain] have said in their last Update”

    Thanks Eagle. Yes, I’ve seen it and at one point I found the original blog where it was first posted. I knew that I remembered that it was set off in some way from the rest and being in brackets like that it wasn’t really clear to me whether the writer was inserting that on their own or if the names themselves came from “Stella.” They may have confused some update from Bergstrom/Carita, who were promoting it, as coming from the “Trust Partners.” Obviously I don’t know for sure one way or another. I’d agree that with the way the rest is written with that and the paragraph about the update dropped in the middle does make it read like it all was coming from her.

    Comment by JH — 9th May 2008 @ 5:34 am

  957. J.H.: Just another example of the “confusion” regarding GPP. What was really interesting is that not one of the early supporters of GPP (I think this was posted in mid-06) questioned it wasn’t from Stella. In fact, just the opposite. So whoever did write it sure made it sound like it was from Stella, and the faithful believed it 100% at the time. Now I bet they are all running away trying to claim it wasn’t from Stella, but from a Naysayer trying to twist her words. ROFLOL!

    Comment by EagleOne — 9th May 2008 @ 7:10 am

  958. Blade68, sorry I’m not English, being a bloody German from Namibia I’ve just fixed a Mega 3 tank from Britain for etching printed circiut boards, had modified it before, utter rubbish, rattling, cheap switches, etc!

    If you had an IQ of 130 I would say “good for you” but 153 is beyond the “getting crazy” line, sorry for you 🙂 !

    As for GPP, granted they should communicate at least once per week, but I fully understand when handling big sums of money, like in commodity trading, it is quite normal to keep things secret between partners, please do not ask why, just look into the mirror and ask whether you can trust yourself!

    Comment by EXTAN — 9th May 2008 @ 1:31 pm

  959. FFS Extan’s answers NEVER make sense.

    Maybe we should all try the same illegal substances he seems to be abusing to see the positive side of GPP. 😛

    Comment by Jason — 9th May 2008 @ 2:59 pm

  960. “Maybe we should all try the same illegal substances he seems to be abusing to see the positive side of GPP.”

    Monkey dung? Which coincidentally also serves as good characterization of GPP’s program.

    Comment by JH — 9th May 2008 @ 5:16 pm

  961. Extan,
    just proving a point that you made! If this blog is so bad why are you still here?

    Comment by Blade68 — 9th May 2008 @ 8:41 pm

  962. I do not believe that there is much valuable info comin from EXTAN anymore. If he was one to have done all of these time intensive activities, he probably would not be here pumping up this scam! Extan, stick to the subject. We all do not care to hear about your ficticious ramblings…

    Is the GPP site still directing funds to these one way internet banks?

    Who else has reviewed any of these other Global related scams… The insurance scam, the additional RPPs, and others. Of course we all now know that none of them have paid out. NOT one…Anywhere.

    I’m still angry that such scammers would continue to steal monies, and have others to wait and wait and wait on the gold at the end of the rainbow. These scammers have no consideration for others.

    MikeCeck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 9th May 2008 @ 10:08 pm

  963. If I were EXTAN, when my IQ hit 75 I would sell. Mike, of course none of these pay out. They aren’t real in the first place. They just take a little truth, package it around a mediocre story line, pass it off as being real, and sit back and rake in the cash from gullible people. As for the promoter’s, I think their biggest reward is the ego stroking they get from the people they dupe into joining these programs. They get to play important, when they are not; they get to sound like sage and wise investors, when they are not; in short they get to pretend to be someone they are not, but would love to be. All with the use of a keyboard and mouse.

    Think about it. You have over 100,000 people sending cash to an unknown entity, with no address, phone number, or who is running it through illegal Internet banks and a Latvian trio who can’t sing; but it is real. ROFLOL!

    Comment by EagleOne — 9th May 2008 @ 10:49 pm

  964. Eagle,

    You speak the truth my friend. No info at all and obtaining these large amounts of money! Truly incredible! I suspect that this initial word of moth action is what partially drive such schemes. Initially you hear of such a great deal. Another plays in because the deal is too good to miss!

    The money is sent in, as not to miss this deal then it’s all over! Research may be done afterwards, but it’s too late by then!

    MikeCheck

    Amazing!

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 9th May 2008 @ 10:59 pm

  965. Hi again!I’m sorry if you get me wrong,you know who i’m talking to!of course you think every one is un idiot if doesn’t speak IN.well,never mind if you IQ is what it is,i don’t care!.I speak 6 languages and trying to learn this one too and perhaps you should not think that everybody here have to in a perfect way.I’m getting from every blog of diferent countries information and this is the only one that you get insults and nothing else,only a few people here have the right actitute and whan’t information too,not garvage!.Extan,thanks for the coment,you know…my child even ask me why?,are you sure you are not talking now about your self again?because you allways do and you should know that every one here thinks that you are a patetic child who wanna get atencion and is the only one here who is talking about craap.Get a life,a real one and don’t dream to much about it like you do with Gpp!.ROKKA!oletko oikeasti suomalainen?olen kyllä ylpeä sun kirjeistä!.

    Comment by SALT — 10th May 2008 @ 1:15 am

  966. Hi all!
    Stopped reading the blog weeks ago because of all the repetition and personal imputation in the postings.
    So still the same old song…every now and then being hand-fed by “stellas so called news”…
    What a depressing atmosphere…
    Better days!

    Comment by Socke — 10th May 2008 @ 9:44 am

  967. SALT,
    Kyllä,ihan pesunkestävä suomalainen olen. Vaikkakin ulkomailla olen tällä hetkellä.

    But now back to english, since it’s the language used in this blog. My apologies to Ben.
    Found some funny stuff from swedish site promoting RPPs, and this one just cracked me up, this was directed to participants of GPP:
    GPP members:
    1. Need to remain calm. If GPP fails it will not be because of Stella, or the trust partners,or the insurance co but because of the actual members.Why? Because members over the past couple of weeks have been going bananas.They are calling banks looking for their own “solutions” to recieve their gpp funds and things of the nature. There was an influx of hundreds or even thousands of GPP members calling European banks doing the exact same thing that I have mentioned above. What is the result? 2 swiss banks basically will not do anything for GPP members, and people are starting to become suspicious, and some police are even conducting their own investigations. The question is do we want GPP to succeed or don’t we? By the looks of it,
    with the negative comments and B.S. I would say we want the later. And then when all is said and done, and GPP members were the reason for the downfall of the program we will lift up our hands and say “SEE…I TOLD YOU NOTHING WILL COME OF THIS!!”

    It’s quite smart to scam people out of their money and then blame the fall of the scam on the scammed people. When GPP fails, I bet this is what EXTAN is going to say. It was because of these negative comments on this blog and others and because of the members not staying positive, after all “stella” tried her best 🙂

    Comment by Rokka — 10th May 2008 @ 10:57 am

  968. That’s standard operating procedure for these scams Rokka – to blame the members when things start looking dicey.

    Comment by JH — 10th May 2008 @ 8:06 pm

  969. JH, I know and sad thing is that, some people actually believe this bs and do blame themselves. And then they the next one that comes along, and they believe that it really works this time around…

    Comment by Rokka — 10th May 2008 @ 8:30 pm

  970. Rokka: What is even funnier is that Stella told them they would have to have their own banking solution. Then when the people did what Stella told them to do, then GPP started complaining about them doing it. What a riot. When this fails, they will do it one of two ways: As you said, blame the membership for making it fail (pick a reason); or they will just disappear. It will depend on how close they think the authorities are to unmasking them as to which way they do this.

    I don’t see this running past the end of this month, but they might make it through June before it all ends. It will depend on how many more policies they can sell before closing up shop, or without the authorities catching up to them. You can bet they have one eye on the authorities and one foot out the door just in case.

    Comment by EagleOne — 10th May 2008 @ 9:24 pm

  971. They will disappear on the 21st of October and the payout maybe payed or not. Who knows? That is the cut off for there site subscription to be finished.(or what eva the name for a web site is) Maybe you can help me find the right word for it Ben.

    A friend of mine told me this a long time ago. She seen it on there site somewhere. It so happened to be her birthday and She took it as a sign to join up. Now she feels silly, cause it seems that this is just afars. Sad Face Icon Insert HERE->

    Comment by Who Cares — 11th May 2008 @ 2:03 am

  972. what no pay out yet?????

    it’s your fault…LOL

    Comment by busting gut — 11th May 2008 @ 3:14 am

  973. Eagle,
    I’m as surprised for the non-existent payout as you are.
    We all know that “stella” is doing her best in this cruel world. She’s like a modern day Don Quiote, fighting the wind mills that is the whole economic system, and the world. Stella is trying to bring some positive things and hope in to peoples lives, by turning 30€ into 55000€. Just like some guy did some few thousands years ago by turning water into wine.
    It’s just those unfaithful members of GPP, who don’t believe in “stella” and GPP, and then screw it up for everybody else. Good for GPP, that there’s still those who are strong in faith, guess we all know who I’m talking about 🙂
    And true believers will wait for the second coming of the GPP and “stella”, in the form of payout…

    (hope you can sense the sarcasm in my writing…)

    Comment by Rokka — 11th May 2008 @ 10:27 am

  974. Yeah you right!!Don quijote is a good one!!Lol.You see what you want to..Only perhaps isn’t healty for any one.I must say that a lot of people,in countres where social matters are not well,have participate in that scam and do wait what ever it takes,that makes me feel so bad about it,gpp dit it so well and get all this people that evend have a chance to get informacion about what they are investing.I know that to much people may think that is not for us,yes that’s right,but they don’t got a chance.That’s why i think this scam have to be finish and get cut.I’m imprest how can so much people of other blocs from other countries,are sure about gpp is a gold mine,i read they post and ask them,why do you think so?no one can’t tell me why…
    Yes,in many countries gpp is ilegal and is allready police taken care of that matter,i’m happy about it.
    Hi socke and wellcome too,you leave the house and turn back here like me!see you next month!=)

    Comment by salt — 11th May 2008 @ 9:12 pm

  975. Very interesting… I was wondering what they’d be saying as they skipped town! Good one… It’s the members fault!! What a scam! Why would anyones calling about money disturb a valid company from doing business? I’d just would have to day, because it is not valid!!!
    A good scam! Yea, $40.00 can’t hurt! yea, 55K afterwards?! Guess that spells SCAM! Yea, said this a hundred times at least. Hope it prevents further sign ups. I can’t believe that there are actually people signing up!!
    Come on computer tech’s let’s find these clowns! They operate well behind these servers w/ bogus who is information,free servers, free mail, and whatever else that is practically untraceable. There is mistake somewhere. Let’s hp[e that we find it before they make their soon to come get away!!!

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 12th May 2008 @ 6:59 am

  976. Amazing comments… blade68 you are right, I’m trying to wean myself off this blog, in my matric class the teacher once said “in this class we have someone that has the highest IQ in this school we ever had” sure I must have been the most stupid guy ever, because everyone looked at me?

    Anyway, GPP can go anyway, pay out or run away, but why are they still there??? To collect discount 10 Euros??? It does not make sense!
    So if this is no explanation of my logic, ask Einstein what he thinks!

    Comment by EXTAN — 12th May 2008 @ 9:12 am

  977. EXTAN: Gee, now you have the highest IQ of anyone your school has ever had. Now that leaves so many options available for an explanation, none of which would really flatter you like you intended for it to impress us with this piece of news. Just as an example, if the highest IQ in your school previously was 75, and you had an IQ of 80, not as impressive as it sounded at first blush now is it? But at least you still had the highest IQ of anyone in your school. I can’t wait for you to tell us you did your own surgery on yourself. Gee, I hope I didn’t steal your thunder for your next post.

    Now we have gone from being a rah-rah supporter to wishy-washy again. You have got to stop trying to play both sides of the fence. None of us are buying it anymore. First they will; then they won’t; then maybe; back to they will; then they won’t; and now maybe. You keep changing positions more frequently than some people change socks.

    As to why they haven’t run: THEY ARE STILL GETTING PEOPLE TO SEND THEM MONEY. It makes no difference it is only in $10 or Euros increments. Why would they run when they still are getting payments for their retirement fund? Surely someone with the highest IQ in their school’s history would be able to deduct that, even if your IQ was only 80.

    Comment by EagleOne — 12th May 2008 @ 10:05 am

  978. Extan, if it doesn’t make sense to you why scammers are still taking money, it just shows that your school didn’t have very high average level of IQ. Just wondering how were the others in your school if you were the smartest 🙂 Your logic never fails, it’s same nonsense as always. Just read what Eagle wrote in his post, if you have the brain capacity to comprehend it, and then comment here again. If it was too difficult to understand, I can sum it up for you: GPP=scam, you=Dumb.

    Comment by Rokka — 12th May 2008 @ 10:59 am

  979. Sorry your comments let me fall of my chair, the average IQ is 100 and the Deutsch Hochschule Swakopmund (then) had top teachers from Germany and maybe you know that the Germans still fork out the most patents in the world. My uncle had the best matric results in Namibia, so maybe it runs in the family or probably not? Many more examples, medical doctors, etc.!! Just hate me…

    Still remember when the USA tried to put up the first rockets that barely topped the trees before crashing down until Wernher von Braun helped them to get going? Sprechen sie Deutsch then droppen sie dead, jealously everywhere!!

    Anyway no use to talk about GPP, we have here a selection of super high IQ’s that are simply scam promoters. Have a good day!

    Comment by EXTAN — 12th May 2008 @ 3:21 pm

  980. EXTAN: It is nice to know that you are a Super High IQ scammer. Now there’s an oxymoron. I think the government of Namibia has made a grave error. They need to get you and your uncle to take over, and all the country’s problems will be solved. Just think, all that genius going to waste. You need to stop playing with GPP and use all that talent of yours for good. Namibia needs you.

    Comment by EagleOne — 12th May 2008 @ 5:07 pm

  981. EXTAN,
    I agree that you are a scam promoter. What comes to high IQ, I have my doubts about that one.

    Eagle, How do we know that EXTAN isn’t already using the money he scammed with GPP for the benefit of the namibian people : )

    My opinion is, if you just look at the whole GPP-thing and how it’s suppose to work, you don’t have to be a rocket scientist to notice that it’s a scam. I mean, somebody who you don’t know antyhing about, turns your 30euros into 55000euros just like that, give me a break…

    I’m just stating the obvious, now it’s EXTANs turn to come up with some self appraisal and conspiracy theories…

    Comment by Rokka — 12th May 2008 @ 7:04 pm

  982. EXTAN
    let me clear up something that your super IQ cannot seem to comprehend: A scammer is someone ripping someone else off, just like gpp. A scam promoter is therefore someone who promotes the said ripping off.
    Most of us here are trying to stop the scam, therefore we are scam busters. On the other hand, you EXTAN are the scam promoter!

    Comment by Blade68 — 12th May 2008 @ 8:54 pm

  983. Extan,

    If this is a valid company, could you tell us of your knowledge of this being something that will pay out?

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 12th May 2008 @ 9:36 pm

  984. Just a couple of observations. Isn’t it odd that EXTAN claims he is superior at math, but is not good at business. Kind of an oxymoron isn’t it?

    You have a lot of “Promoters” of GPP that have numerous cease and desist orders against them. Especially promoting some of the biggest scams in the last few years. Not exactly the kind of people that gives your business a ringing positive endorsement now is it.

    But it is so refreshing to know that GPP is real. ROFLOL!

    Comment by EagleOne — 13th May 2008 @ 6:21 am

  985. We also wonder why on earth does Stella not post a single line regularly: “hi there, dear members, we are still here, just wait a little more” then at least we know that we have to wait a little more :-). Guess human behaviour is all about good -IQ and -street knowledge. GPP needs to be more professional, but as long as they will pay out ASAP we will forgive them!!!!

    About Namibia, or Angola or even our msd up SA, it would be rasist not to tell that everything goes absolutely wonderful, in particular in Zimbabwe… a classic case. The world logic is upside down, the poorest have the most kids and then they will have the majority votes, democracy perfectly F-Up! About my uncle, he was driving an ambulance in WW2 and a horrible Englishmen shot 25% of his brain to bits. Eventually he re-learned everything and then he was still above average, makes you think?

    Actually good health is the most important in our lives!

    Comment by EXTAN — 13th May 2008 @ 11:02 am

  986. “Stella” doesn’t have to give any updates or tell anyone anything.

    And “she” knows this.

    None of the GPP members can trace Stella, and no-one has any chance of ever getting their money back because all payments were taken through an irreversible payment method.

    The only reason you occasionally hear anything from GPP is because they are still drawing in money from the more stupid people that live in this world.

    Once people stop buying policies, this scheme will disappear.

    Biggest, most lucrative scam I have ever seen.

    Comment by Ben — 13th May 2008 @ 11:11 am

  987. Ben you certainly got a point, but if I try to analyse Stella, very difficult person, maybe she is the perfect women scammer (for that she needs to be more clever) or she is just “a real women” one of her esoteric kind, just doing it in her own way, I don’t think GPP can gain much from receiving 10 Euro bills x say 20000 or less?

    I have not spent a cent on GPP, got sponsored, but I’m still prepared to wait for the payout, because I think “she is just doing it in her strange way”. Just imagine if that is the case and we get a payout, how much hope there will be for our rotten mankind!

    Comment by EXTAN — 13th May 2008 @ 2:17 pm

  988. EXTAN, has it ever occurred to you that stella might not be a woman at all? It’s really easy to pretend to be something you’re not on the internet. People can boast about their achievements and capabilities, when nobody knows who you really are. This is the reason why these scams are getting popular, you can stay anonymous and still people are willing to give money for some false hope of getting rich quick. Then scammers take the money and vanish. Most people reading this blog have realised this long time ago, but some have yet not come to terms with reality. People hopefully will soon get the true nature of reverse pension plans: SCAM. Anybody can feel free to correct me if i’m wrong, but none of the RPPs have actually said out, not one. Now why is that, if they are so good business opportunities(according to sites promoting them)?

    Comment by Rokka — 13th May 2008 @ 4:06 pm

  989. I’d say that 200,000 Euro over a few months, on top of whatever else they’ve made, for just putting up a web site and writing a few emails now and then is a prety good deal. Much, much more than most who are sending the money will ever make.

    As far as any “pay out ASAP” maybe you haven’t noticed that they’re already 5 months late with no end in sight. Ben’s right… as long as people are sending them free money there’s no reason to do anything other than sit back and take it.

    Comment by JH — 13th May 2008 @ 4:12 pm

  990. Just to correct my typo, i meant to say none of the RPPs have yet, to date, PAID out anything. So, I can agree with Ben, 200k€ is good money for dragging this scam along for few months more. Because it really doesn’t seem to take much effort…

    Comment by Rokka — 13th May 2008 @ 4:24 pm

  991. This notion that a payout of $55,000 is going to do so much for humanity is psycho-babble. If GPP were real, most of the people getting this money would be in deeper debt within 6 months than they already are. People who have never handled a relatively large amount of money don’t know how to manage it. They just think they do. The statistics aren’t with them.

    It has been shown that 95% of all lottery winners are either dead broke, filed for bankruptchy, or are in even worse debt than they were before they received their windfall lottery winnings. Only 5% live within their means, seek the advice of professionals to help them invest their money, and can live off their winnings for life. That is the sad reality of life. Actually if GPP were real, the percentage with GPP would be closer to 98% in that category.

    I still find it inconceivable that people think they can give 35 Euros to a totally anonymous so-called group, and this annonymous group is going to give them 55,000 Euro’s; but only if you are not a member of law enforcement or employed by a government agency, and many of your major promoters all have had cease and desist orders out the yang-yang. Yep, sure sounds legit to me.

    Comment by EagleOne — 14th May 2008 @ 12:50 am

  992. Ha! The actual consideration of Stella actually being one woman running Billions is too incredulous to believe. They reall think that we are stupid. Well looks like they actually got one over on hundreds, perhaps tousands of people…

    This scheme reminds me ofa show that I saw on Dateline, a indepth news show on the topic of catching such theives. This one was specifically targeting African scammers using stolen credit cards sending merchandise overseas… The people that they have duped, are in love with a “vision” of a possible love. They would then send the mercahdise to Africa.
    The news crew went to africa to meet these scammers. It was funny to se the reactions of these clowns when they got busted! One dude HAULED it, down the road! Thought that he was trying out for the olymics in a suit! The other dude was lying a big lie! Told them that they knew what they were doing and was relieved when he found out that he was not getting arrested!

    This sounds like GPP. A scam if I ever heard of it. Considering all of these African cons, targeting Americans, people liking in the UK, etc. I think that this is such a scam. Only strictly cash, not dealing with the movement of merchandise. This one is so much easier!

    No RPPs ever paid out! That’s a red flare right there!

    The Stellas really pulled it off! Aparently continuing to do so. Let’s be real… What kind of real business is going to be so rediculously badly run by any real management,and make Millions, very much less Billions?!?!! Then again this scheme may have produced a couple of Million for the scammers.

    Extan,
    Have you ever heard of such a scam (Not GPP, but the other one I mentioned)?

    A shame that anyone would take advantage of others this way.

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 14th May 2008 @ 4:03 am

  993. Well you may be right or not, it is a bit like Russian roulette, but I still like to believe in the basic good in some humans, else there is no hope for us. But in general it is best to either work hard for your money or to rob the bank. Nigerians are the masters of clever scams!

    Have a good day!!

    Comment by EXTAN — 14th May 2008 @ 9:26 am

  994. EXTAN,
    That was the smartest thing you said in a long time. I’d like to believe in the basic good in human, but I find it harder and harder to do nowadays. If you didn’t notice, these scammers are counting on these positive people, because they make the easiest target for them.
    And what comes to making money, I think it’s better to work honestly for a living. Robbing a bank is not the way to go, too much risk of getting caught. if one doesn’t mind committing a crime, maybe a internet scam would be a way to go. Let’s say, reverse pension plan-scheme sounds good, if one wants to make few million with little risk of getting caught.
    I think I’ve seen it happen somewhere.
    Hmm, now where was that, and what was the name of that scam… 🙂

    Comment by Rokka — 14th May 2008 @ 10:12 am

  995. I’ve jsut read from another blog where Stella actually wrote something… Imagine that! You all should see the ramblings explaing how we have to wait! Goodness this is just hilarious! Goes on to tell us about some partner for the banking solution. Oh, did I mention that she could not tell us who it is, or where they are located!

    You tell me if something sounds wrong here….

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 14th May 2008 @ 11:38 pm

  996. mikecheck
    which blog was that you read

    Comment by jacko — 15th May 2008 @ 8:38 am

  997. Guess must have been someone imitating Stella, but she cannot complain that people get angry when she and GPP keeps quiet too long. All good words in a long letter will then make people wonder what GPP is really planning. Did not change my positive stance, people say I am negative, just being critical 🙂

    Comment by EXTAN — 15th May 2008 @ 11:57 am

  998. Extan,

    Are you saying that Stella wont respond to us at all? How would you know if it’s someone else. Why wouldn’t she correct the imitator?

    Jacko… I’ll be right with you on that site. Should have put it there in the first place. Truly a good laugh (although lies are not funny).

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 15th May 2008 @ 8:24 pm

  999. NOTHING NEW FROM GPP?

    Comment by salt — 15th May 2008 @ 10:42 pm

  1000. Salt, look into the GPP forum Swedish section.

    Comment by snartmor — 15th May 2008 @ 11:49 pm

  1001. I’ll get you all the additional info on this scam. Note how this Stella keeps away from sites that she gets busted on. Amazing, this scam has gone all over the world! Amazing.

    Why does she not post here anymore? She did… More I think of it… Maybe it wasn’t “her” after all. Think of it.. If this is handling cash form all over the world, I absolutely must be a whole team of people enjoying free (tax free) income.

    I have got to say that this insult of another delay is outrageous! I mean, I know it’s a scam, but it angers me further that they have the gaul to continue obtaining monies form those around the world!!!

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 16th May 2008 @ 3:07 am

  1002. Stella never posted here. That was Extan/eXtaN/EXTAn (whatever) as Ben showed by looking at the IP addresses of the posts.

    Comment by JH — 16th May 2008 @ 3:32 am

  1003. JH, are you ok, I have nothing to do with Stella, my lovely girlfriend is much better, we are just waiting for the money, that’s all. Stella posted something in their forum, guess nothing new.

    Comment by EXTAN — 16th May 2008 @ 10:37 am

  1004. Where is everybody, when will we organize a party with all the money left over from GPP? I’ll bring the coke, the beer and the brandy. Stella and Co. will also be invited so you can all thank them for letting us wait forever…

    Enjoy your weekend!

    Comment by EXTAN — 16th May 2008 @ 12:13 pm

  1005. You got to hand it to Stella and GPP. They know how to keep the faithful, well faithful by still more promises. One day in the way distant future, they will allow the members to update their profiles. I especially loved this comment from Stella, and I quote: “This happens on the very last week we accept more members! I will give you a few days notice!” Don’t you just love the finite of this statement. As long as they think they can avoid the authorities finding them, they will never stop accepting new suckers, err fish, err ‘members.’ So keep on buying those policies so this will never end. ROFLOL!

    Comment by EagleOne — 16th May 2008 @ 6:03 pm

  1006. Eagle,

    I’ll tell you… This she just lie to EVERYONE or what!!! If you let someone borrow 20 bucks then the next week, they had not paid you, when they said the next day… One would not be too happy and would probably not loan that person any more money… Well here, we are not loaning money but have been expecting payment for months, and months!!! I’d hate to think that someone would be stupid enough to give up additional funds. Eagle, as you mentioned however, this sadly is/has happened already!

    ****
    ****

    Extan,
    If what JH is saying about you IP address is not the same, why/how did that happen? I recall having this conversation earlier. I actually believe that you are/were acting as Stella, be it the real one or not.
    I’d like to know that if you know Stella as you stated, why would you insult her to say that she was “not as good” as your girlfriend? Be it true or not, is that anyway to insult your friend? Guess that it does not hurt to bad to insult an imaginary friend….

    Am I wrong? If so, what’s the deal w/ the IP address being the same?

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 17th May 2008 @ 1:24 am

  1007. CAN YOU ALL BELIEVE THIS CRAP!!!!

    They are acting like they are still in the middle of the completion of this plan!
    So now, if you don’t believe that this is a scam, know it now! Let’s find these clowns! They are starting all over again to steal money. Yes, starting all over! They seem not to be afraid of getting caught AT ALL!

    Dig this!
    http://www.thegreennation.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=4309&pid=45223&mode=threaded&start=

    Comments?

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 18th May 2008 @ 1:56 am

  1008. Mike:

    This was a post from May of 2007, not this year. The last post I see being made in this forum about GPP was in August 2007. Maybe I missed something, but I did not see any other posts by Zeus or Chicosan.

    Comment by EagleOne — 18th May 2008 @ 4:18 am

  1009. Mike you need help from a shrink, I did not post as Stella, what utter nonsense. Have a good week sulking as usual!

    Comment by Extan — 18th May 2008 @ 7:58 pm

  1010. Extan: You need to help EXTAN, extan and extant with their English. They are not as fluent as you. Hmmmmmm, Now I wonder why that is? But keep on insisting that you are all one and the same. ROFLOL!

    Comment by EagleOne — 18th May 2008 @ 8:31 pm

  1011. Extan,

    I’m sorry my friend… I did no sulking this weekend. A shrink? Well, they can be expensive! Wait a minute I’d be able to pay for it w/ GPP! … Wait there is no money coming from GPP, so I guess that I’ll not look for one. OK enough of that for today…

    I hope that I’m not be insulting, but you still did not address the IP addresses.

    Eagle, everyone,
    I guess that I did not pay attention to this date. In that respect I guess that I can’t infer too much about their preparation for additional stealing (based on the policies needed from last September). Given this however, last year, I do recall the questioning of the validity of this program.

    Ha, at this point however, let me not sound as if I believe in this sham!

    Question… What ever happened to Zeus or Chicosan?

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 19th May 2008 @ 2:07 am

  1012. As to Zeus and Chicosan, good question. I had heard that Chicosan is still around on a few forums, but not as many as before. Zeus I have not heard his whereabouts, but I am sure he is also still around. Zeus was more of a wait and see attitude, while Chicosan was a major promoter of GPP. Thus why Zeus may not be posting that much. Still, that is just my best guestimate. Maybe Zeus will post here and fill us in.

    Comment by EagleOne — 19th May 2008 @ 5:36 am

  1013. I have not been here for a few weeks. Nothing changed. Same rude comments. Same negativity. Why do you waste your time? If people want to gamble, let them. The horse sometimes comes in first. Sometimes he drops out. Take it or leave it. There are loads of other similar offers. Are they the same as GPP?

    Comment by Angie — 19th May 2008 @ 9:39 am

  1014. Angie,
    Answer to your question, yes. They’re all same kind of scams as GPP.
    How many RPPs have paid out so far? Number is zero. And none will.
    How does it help to stay positive if it’s so obviously a scam? Like thinking positive is going to change anything when scammers decide to pull the plug…

    Mike,
    Maybe you should ask extans help, wasn’t one of his many talents vast knowledge of human behaviour? Hey, the guy is almost a professional psychiatrist, among lots of other things 🙂

    Read some funny stuff on one finnish forum, one finnish GPP promoter
    named Matti Karsama, had sent his “downline” a message saying that:
    “If you still want to buy additional policies or add new members to GPP, please note that I have closed my bank account. Ask me for additional info how to deliver the payment for your policy”.
    This Matti was one of those no-show speakers for finnsh GPP-event, and one of the GPP promoters who, after the finnish NBI started investigating GPP, removed everything about GPP from his website. And he was also a alledgely a sponsor for Wincapita, the 100mil.euro ponzi-scheme that came under investigation by NBI. My guess is that he didn’t close the bank account, but police did. It was reported in finnish media, that bank accounts had been frozen in this Wincapita-scheme, probably Mattis was one of them .
    So, scammers are having hard time in Finland. But still it doesn’t stop them from receiving payments for GPP as long as there is someone
    dumb enough to pay.

    Comment by Rokka — 19th May 2008 @ 11:19 am

  1015. Ok Mike maybe I was just pulling your legs, hope EagleOne will agree to my rotten English, I’m just busy to modify a good Irish Vacuum cleaner, make it even more efficient and easier to clean, it sucks like crazy only 1050W, bought a Chinese unit it said 2200W, WOW and I measured only 952W so I got the money back, what a scam, which I cannot invest into GPP! Gpp’s payout date is getting closer, just be paaaaaiiiiiieeeetient!!

    Comment by EXTAN — 19th May 2008 @ 1:46 pm

  1016. Extan,
    Are you sure you didn’t get some electric shock while modifying your vacuum cleaner? Reading your posts would imply something like that happened 🙂

    Comment by Rokka — 19th May 2008 @ 4:08 pm

  1017. Angie: Just a comment in regard to your statement, and I quote: “If people want to gamble, let them. The horse sometimes comes in first. Sometimes he drops out.” let me offer you this observation.

    When you gamble, you have a chance of winning. When you bet on a horse in a horse race, there was a horse in the race. Whether he wins, drops out, or where he finishes is not the issue. This is not the same as gambling, horse racing, or any other type of gambling. This was a con. With GPP there never was any policy, nor will there be. In short, you just gave someone your money on the “illusion” there was a policy. In short they lied to you, stole your money, and as far as you are concerned it is no big deal they did so; it was just ganbling. Exactly what GPP knew you would think, and why they knew they could get away with stealing everyone’s money. Wonder how you would feel if it had been $350 instead of $35. Still think it would have been just a gamble?

    Comment by EagleOne — 19th May 2008 @ 5:59 pm

  1018. All these negative comments. I know everyone has there own opinion and if people want too invest (throw there money away) its up too them. If GPP does payout eventually good luck to everyone who is in it. The time will come when people will stop paying for additional policies ans something will have to happen one way or the other. My advice too all is too stop buying and too see what happens this will be the only way anyone will really know if this program will payout. My parting comment too all involved is good luck too you all .

    Comment by Viv — 19th May 2008 @ 6:02 pm

  1019. Gee, the talents of EXTAN, extan, extant, Extan just keep on coming. Must be up to 30 per name, and growing every week. Funny, but the one thing that any of the them are not good at is business. Yet, he assures us GPP will soon pay out. I thought GPP was a business? Kind of ironic don’t you think?

    Comment by EagleOne — 19th May 2008 @ 6:05 pm

  1020. Good question from Eagleone, what if “adminstrational fee” would have been €300 instead of €30? Would you still wait and be patient? Would you still believe blindly that “stella” didn’t just take the money and ran…

    Comment by Rokka — 19th May 2008 @ 8:33 pm

  1021. Viv: I guess you missed it, but there is no “investment” going on here contrary to what you think. When you “invest” there is a chance of receiving a return for your investment. GPP stole your money. There is no “investment,” no matter how much they pretend there is. Sure glad you don’t mind having your money stolen from you; or throwing your money away.

    But go ahead, call GPP and ask them how your “investment” is doing. Oops, can’t call, so drop them a line. Oops can’t write them either. Yep, sure sounds like a legitimate program to me.

    So since you don’t mind and enjoy throwing your money away, let me give you my PayPal account number. Then you can throw your money away to me. The only difference is I won’t pretend to offer you any “investment” for you to send it to me. Don’t want to do it? Why not? At least I was honest about it, unlike GPP.

    Comment by EagleOne — 19th May 2008 @ 11:37 pm

  1022. I have to ask the true believers…. Why do you believe that this will pay out? What prooof has been shown? I’m truly curious in that there has been absolutely NOTHING proving any investment, any anything!

    Do you really believe in a company that hides from the investors? Let’s think about this… Have you ever… I mean EVER, heard of any company who does not give you ANY information as to what is happening with your investment dollars?

    On that same note, what kind of company has no phone number! As for any valid business, I dare you to name one…Just one that does not have a phone number!!!! True believers, do you have an example?

    I unfortunately have to conclude that either you are hoping against hope that the money rolls due to the amount you may have invested, or more likely, a part of the scam itself. Am I wrong? Again, I expect no response as usual… Suprise me…

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 20th May 2008 @ 3:32 am

  1023. No electric shock, wonder what Stella will write next time, because now will come the crunch, i.e do or die!! For the VC which had a “car paper filter” (good idea) I made a wider steel cage (bigger surface area to suck) over which a dust proof cloth bag with a top rubber band is pulled. Just fun to play around until GPP pays out. Then we can buy a recliner and tan on the beach 🙂 ! Very busy here at work too!!

    Comment by EXTAN — 20th May 2008 @ 9:17 am

  1024. Extan, well its good to see you’re having fun waiting for GPP to pay out. Because it’s going to be a long wait, I think the possible pay out is happening same time as the hell freezes over. “Stella” is just buying time with his updates, and some idiots are actually believing them. By the way, which were those countries that deemed GPP as legit? You mentioned that such countries exist, but failed to name them. But anyways, have a nice, productive day at work 😉

    Comment by Rokka — 20th May 2008 @ 11:09 am

  1025. EagleOne: Never said I invested just good luck to those who did. What you think I am stupid.

    Comment by Viv — 20th May 2008 @ 5:52 pm

  1026. Viv: No I do not think you are stupid, nor do I believe those who joined GPP are stupid either. They were ignorant, gullible, or both; but not stupid. Glad to hear you didn’t join, but this notion that it was just a gamble or like playing the lottery fascinates me. When you gamble or play the lottery, you know the odds, but you can win. With GPP you were willingly giving your money away on the “promise” of getting a windfall payment. The problem was, there is no windfall payment. It is just stealing. No comparison at all.

    Comment by EagleOne — 20th May 2008 @ 7:12 pm

  1027. What you said was right on the money, eagle. If you play lottery, gamble or bet on horses, at least there is a chance to win, no matter how small are the odds. In GPPs case the lottery is cancelled, deck of cards is rigged and the horse is dead, but they’ll still taking bets with no intension of returning them. And to viv, you said it all, about investing in GPP: “what you think i’m stupid”.

    Comment by Rokka — 20th May 2008 @ 7:45 pm

  1028. Yes, I’ve been saying the same thing for Months now! This is stealing, not a game of chance.

    We’ve all been duped! I am so happy for those who did not join! As I mentioned, joining was through the exciting words of a friend who exclaimed that this was such a great deal! Free money! Yea, Right.

    I just want to prevent others from joining in their scam. If you’ll have noticed… No GPP rep. has said anything to us other than “Wait, it’s coming”. The only thing that’s coming is thier leaving with our cash, never to be seen again (if they can get away with it).

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 21st May 2008 @ 3:30 am

  1029. I am not a supporter…. but how did you all think this money would be deposited to your accounts???

    what bank is going to cash that cheque for 110,000????

    and even if they did they would hold it forever.

    don’t you think the tax man would be more that ready to take at least 46% of that money.

    The problems they are facing could be real….real if this was real..LOL

    that kind of money being deposited to any account is going to set off a few red flags.

    turn out the lights…blow out that candle..put the final nail in that pine box because the fat lady has sung..there is no pot of gold at the end of this rainbow.

    forget about it

    Comment by busting gut — 21st May 2008 @ 5:08 am

  1030. Found this exchange on another forum to be quite interesting, and I quote: “Originally Posted by EagleTwo
    I was not putting any meaning into what I said, I was asking what others impression was of Stella’s comment. But your post is confusing. I thought the new memberships were closed once 100,000 members were reached; and the additional policies were only for the 100,000 members to purchase not new members.

    You’re partly right. New memberships will be accepted until the end of this month. The reason is quite simple. They need 100,000 “qualified” members.
    There’s going to be quite a few who just will not send in their ID, consepuently
    they need more thn 100,000 to fill this. Any member can buy additional new policies, but they all do not have to be sold to complete this program. Chicosan”

    Now what I found most interesting is that “New Memberships” are still being taken until the end of this month so they have their 100,000
    “qualified” members. I thought they had way more than 100,000 to meet this criteria, isn’t that right EXTAN, Extan, extan, extant. So whichever one of the Extan’s wants to answer, I would greatly appreciate it. Besides, Chicosan keeps saying if it isn’t from Stella it isn’t true. Well, anyone have a posting of Stella explaining and saying this?

    Comment by EagleOne — 21st May 2008 @ 7:35 pm

  1031. Everyone, though long, I think that this is worth a read:

    Yes, very interesting. So they need 100,000 qualified members. Well I’d say that this $40.00 qualifies them pretty well I’ll say. GPP Scammers, just look at this… If there were members who didn’t provide whatever information that you needed (to perform ID theft), you’d still have the money needed to perform this transaction.

    No other new members are needed! The pensions should be paid. That was really a scammy action that they pulled.

    Lets look at a simplified example of the crap they are trying to pull on us:

    Lets say that we need 10 members pay $1 to get $100.
    8 members paid $1 and have their IDs sent in.
    2 members paid $1 but have not sent in their ID.
    So,
    They take additional members on.
    5 more members come in and pay $1 after the close.
    Now doesn’t something seem wrong?

    Yes, there is something wrong. In this scenario, they have obtained $15. 5 dollars more than necessary to fulfill the original contract.

    Question:
    1) What happens to the 2 member’s money that did not provide the ID
    2) How do the 5 new members get any benefit from a closed program?
    3) I think that these 5 new members expect to get the $100. The same amount of money that people who have been waiting 2 yrs for.

    Makes you think…

    Makes me think…no, makes me know it’s a scam!!!!!

    I surely invite someone to show me otherwise with this GPP scam! I can’t wait for an answer on this, if any of the GPP scammers so dare.

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 22nd May 2008 @ 2:44 am

  1032. No bank in the world will touch GPP with a ten foot pole…

    So how is anyone going to get paid out????

    Most of the money you dumb members have sent in has been used to cut through red tape.

    They are trying to set up their own bank…but this is going to take a very long time…

    Comment by busting gut — 22nd May 2008 @ 4:50 am

  1033. They’re not setting up any bank. lol They’re busy out spending the money.

    They MIGHT come up with some bogus shell that they’ll call a “bank” to buy a little more time while people are still sending money but at best it will be equal to First Oceanic, SSIB, or one of the other psuedo-banks that they used earlier.

    Comment by JH — 22nd May 2008 @ 6:02 am

  1034. a lot of hogwash on this blog and there is only one extan, Ben knows that, I used to post here to keep me busy but now I have a lot do do, more interesting, because this blog leads to nothing!!!

    Comment by EXTAN — 22nd May 2008 @ 12:56 pm

  1035. Extan, why do you think this blog leads to nothing? If one searches for info about GPP, this site comes up quite often. Ben sure made a good report about GPP and comments on this blog have been excellent, excluding yours. Since you’re so sure GPP is going to pay out, why don’t you just answer to some of the questions posted to you? With your super intelligence, it shouldn’t be a problem. And what comes to a banking solution, maybe they should ask Tom Sornes, I think he has a bank of his own from previous sca-, sorry,I mean, businesses. Then this GPP would have all the known scandinavian scammers included. I don’t know for other countries, but here in Finland GPP is being promoted by people who are up to their neck in multilevel marketing, pyramid schemes,forex scams and other suspicious “get rich quick”-schemes. Now, if that doesn’t set the alarms off, then what will?Don’t know if this going on also elsewhere, but at least one of the finnish scammers made some money with GPP by charging his own additional fee for registering people to GPP. I think it was something like 12€. So, his downline is actually being scammed twice. That’s actually quite interesting situation. This guy is for sure going to blame GPP for being a scam when it goes belly up. So, he just saw an opportunity to make his own little scam on the side of a bigger scam, and he even has somebody else to take the blame. There really is no honor among thieves…

    Comment by Rokka — 22nd May 2008 @ 2:15 pm

  1036. EXTAN: I found your post, and I quote: “a lot of hogwash on this blog and there is only one extan, Ben knows that, I used to post here to keep me busy but now I have a lot do do, more interesting, because this blog leads to nothing!!!” very telling.

    Here’s the translation. Of course there is only one EXTAN, Extan, extan, extant posting. But that does not mean there is only one of you. It is so easy to C&P and then paste the comments here, and from the same ISP address. While you say all of you are only one, the posts prove otherwise; or I guess your English comes and goes. Come to think of it, just like Stella. Your sister?

    As to your latter part, when all you have is “trust me,” “it will pay out,” “Stella would not lie to us,” “it takes time to do this,” and all your other happy face statements; makes it hard to keep trying to defend this scam. You, just like all the other GPP supporters, eventually you all run for the hills because you cannot take the heat. You have not been able to answer one question with any kind of facts, yet you demand ‘facts’ from anyone challenging the validity of GPP. When the facts are presented, you result to name-calling. It is always a means to deflect criticism from GPP to the person challenging GPP.

    I guess you thought by your regaling all of us with your 500 accomplishments (and growing), as well as your self-proclaimed genius, we would all be wooed and accept your statements GPP will pay out. You can kiss that thought goodbye, which you now seem to have realized.

    Whether or not you stay or leave is up to you, but when you cannot defend your position that is when you fold up shop and run. Actually I am quite amused at all your stories of how brilliant and smart you are, all the things you can do, but most of all that you aren’t any good at business. But you have a great day and weekend.

    Comment by EagleOne — 22nd May 2008 @ 7:18 pm

  1037. Thought there would be a lot of cooking ramblings 🙂 , just back from my 2,5km fast walking, need to wait 2 more weeks before jogging again. GPP will pay, no questions to answer, if you have any faith in God he will direct Stella to pay all money to me, maybe I will donate a few cents. Happy weekend, life cannot be that serious!?

    Comment by Extan — 22nd May 2008 @ 9:30 pm

  1038. EXTAN: You could not have been walking too fast, because I can walk faster than most people jog; and I’m not a power walker. If you were power walking, you could jog. Now you aren’t stretching the truth here are you? Are you sure you are not related to Stella?

    Comment by EagleOne — 22nd May 2008 @ 10:20 pm

  1039. EXTAN: Forgot to mention: God cannot direct Stella to do something she cannot do. God is not in the scamming business. So if you are counting on God to direct Stella to pay you, you are in serious need of help.

    Comment by EagleOne — 22nd May 2008 @ 10:22 pm

  1040. Extan,
    I just finished walking on the moon. I had to run because ther was no water there. Top that one!

    Rokka, to see that someone was making money on top of a scam is really incredible! So, they got ripped twice! unreal…

    JH,
    I must agree that these clowns are spending this money. Why not? It just keeps on rolling in! Rolling into those one-way pseudo banks.

    One last thing, Extan, I again do not mean to seem as if I’m picking on you, but why do you continue with these continuous ramblings of these thinkgs that you have really not done? We aren’t that dense.

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 23rd May 2008 @ 3:55 am

  1041. I like how everyone on this blog has just side stepped the facts…none of us could have this large some of money deposited to our accounts without red flags and a lot of questions… tooo many questions.

    Comment by busting gut — 23rd May 2008 @ 4:58 am

  1042. About GPP,
    GPP offered refunds back in Dec. 2007. Did anyone recieved one or know someone who have?

    Comment by John B. — 23rd May 2008 @ 3:48 pm

  1043. Busting gut, I don’t think that anyone deliberately ignores facts here (except EXTAN). But talking about how and where the money will be paid just requires too much presumptions to be talked about seriously. Like example, that GPP is going to say out. And anyone with half a brain can see that numbers just don’t add up with GPP, too much unanswered questions and too much loose does. But you do make an excellent point, what would bank say, and more importantly some official bodies, when you’d suddenly recieve a sizeable amount of money? I’d believe that it would be hard to prove that money is actually legal, if how GPP is run works as an example. But this is all hypothetical, since there is no “banking solution” yet. And there will not be one anytime soon. I think the oldest RPP has been going on for like five years without paying, so GPP still has time to screw people over before pulling the plug. Or like in Finland over and over again. And what comes to EXTAN, I think he already reached rock bottom, but with his references to faith and god he started to dig. One doesn’t need to be atheist or religious person to see that GPP is big load of steaming BS. Just little common sense and logic needed, That’s all.

    Comment by Rokka — 23rd May 2008 @ 6:18 pm

  1044. …And religios have mixed here,good one!
    your are right Rokka,in Finland gpp is been promote with people like that and they allready doing at the same time more busines with others things that have to be promote to with others.In other countries,i have note that people who have take care with promoting and have they own blog,just like that they closset and others don’t get any one but gpp members only.People are talking no nicely about them and don’t trust to send any thing to them.

    Comment by salt — 24th May 2008 @ 12:27 am

  1045. Everyone (Good point, if I do say so myself),

    I just thought of something!! Do you know why GPP and their members are always talking about the FOREX market? I tell you, it’s so very clear now! As they are taking money from severa countries, they are simply changing that money into their country’s currency! After/before which they may actually play with the market… The point is, is that this is how they change all of these countires currencies into their own and enjoy their ill gotten gains.

    John, this nonsense about a rebate was a pile of crap! Even if someone wanted a refund, they wouldn’t get it. Stella even had the nerve to say that she was working on getting these refunds out. Now why the H@ll would she be working on a refund as opposed to getting our payouts? ANSWER:
    1) She’s not
    2) Taking up time… A reason to “just wait”
    You get the idea…

    I wonder what bank she is working with to “provide these refunds” with. I’ll tell you… “The bank of illusions”.

    I’m amazed at how many countires who GPP have scammed. I believe that these scammers are saying… Why get rid of a good thing? I’m sure that they believe that “if they cant find me now, they wont! I really hope that they get busted by some country at least!

    Just a note:
    Do you all remember when we looked at their supposed address that they said that they were located at? Wait we found this out somewhere else… Well it turns out that this location was someone’s Duplex. We found this out about 4-5 months ago. All of a sudden that info was gone. Again, this sounds like a scam to me!

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 25th May 2008 @ 2:34 pm

  1046. Some news from Finland; it was reported few days ago in various finnish newspapers that GPP is under investigation by Finnish NBI. Investigation was started after criminal complaint was filed by participant in the GPP program. Nothing new there, but what was interesting about this info that police provided, was that since police doesn’t know who is behind GPP, they’re said that now they start to interrogate the promoters and those with “downline”. Since GPP has both, pyramid scheme and illegal fund raising, no wonder these scammers removed anything linking them to this scam. One can only hope that finnish police gets the job done, and other countries follow suit. My guess is that these people with downlines are the biggest losers in this scam, since promoting a crime is also a crime, even if you don’t make a cent in the scam. I think the fat lady is already starting to sing a little song to GPP;-)

    Comment by Rokka — 27th May 2008 @ 11:23 am

  1047. Dit any body hear about any thing from any promoter last time,people is asking why they don’t give us any informacion at all….
    That’s why my friends!!just like Rokka say it!!!Ihope that police take care about the promoters too,they are promoting some thing that they doesn’t ask if it’s legal in every country before doin it,like every professional,you have to take care of this kind of matters before starting any kind of business,but i thing they know it afther all.Have a nice summer time every one here!!

    Comment by salt — 27th May 2008 @ 2:55 pm

  1048. Rokka please help the Finish police to find nothing wrong with GPP except unprofessional behaviour. I think we all agree that Stella and Co should post regularly on their forum because currently it looks very much like a NO GO scheme, that is why there is so much hate in the air.

    A hug is always good, please do with your friends 🙂 !

    Comment by Extan — 28th May 2008 @ 7:26 am

  1049. Sure Extan, I’ll be glad to help the police. Since you’re so sure that GPP isn’t a scam, why don’t you provide some facts and proof about it, and I’ll be more then willing to send it to finnish police on your behalf. Is it a deal? Just remember that police don’t rely on faith in their investigations. I’d have to disagree with you about GPP being unprofessional, I think people behind GPP are professionals. They’re just professional scammers. And now it’s good to see that also police shares that view…

    Comment by Rokka — 28th May 2008 @ 12:24 pm

  1050. Rokka I have no connections with GPP and therfore no REAL answers, just evaluating theoretical possibilities and waiting for the money and if nothing comes up, we may have other possibilities to get richer, just need to be patient and keep healthy! I think June and July will be the month’s to remember, so just watch out, miracles are always possible 🙂 ! Don’t underestimate the good in (some)humans, hey Stella and Co. show us how!

    Comment by Extan — 28th May 2008 @ 12:45 pm

  1051. I think the miracle that is going to happen, is a disappearing act by GPP. If somebody is expecting to get rich in these RPP schemes, and counting on miracle, somebody is going to be disappointed…

    Comment by Rokka — 28th May 2008 @ 1:25 pm

  1052. GPP is a scam …… im from colombia, south america

    GPP dont pay never,

    Comment by claudiac — 28th May 2008 @ 5:53 pm

  1053. Extan,

    How much longer should we have to wait? If you’ve noticed, it has been over 1/2 year.

    How much longer are you willing to wait?

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 28th May 2008 @ 11:28 pm

  1054. As soon as I said: “Stella and Co. please tell us how” (28.5. 2008) Stella posted a letter (28.5.2008)to say something useful about our profiles.
    Actually that action is fully in line with my predictions about her future actions, does that answer any question… obviously not because of your unrealistic thoughts :-). Have a good day!!

    Comment by EXTAN — 29th May 2008 @ 12:41 pm

  1055. EXTAN: WOW, what positive news. You can update your profile. I bet this has set off euphoria in all of GPP land. I guess the old saying is keeping someone busy doing something diverts attention from nothing really being done. But at least the members can “feel” good about believing something positive is happening by being able to update their profile. Notice she did not have the time to update about the banking solution. I wonder why? Guess she is still too busy making the December refunds she hasn’t had time to work on it. ROFLOL!

    Comment by EagleOne — 29th May 2008 @ 5:00 pm

  1056. Extan,

    It’s funny that you blame others for having “unrealistic thoughts”, and still think GPP is going to pay out. Tell me, how is updating your profile going to help, when you’re already scammed?

    Comment by Rokka — 29th May 2008 @ 11:49 pm

  1057. Updating a profile…. I’ll tell you, that is pathetic! Big deal! Where is the CA$H?

    Let’s think about this… Ole’ girl was working very hard to get these refunds back (supposedly), and not working on getting us paid! Sounds like she has her priorities mixed up…

    Mixed up… Ha, actually we know that there are no priorities. Just sitting placing nonsensical statements together to continue getting that sweet sweet money!

    I can just see Stell and Co., enjoying this free cash while calling us “suckers” every day… You can immagine that this does not make me happy. —

    To these supporters & GPP… No, I do not want to wait! I’m tired of waiting. This scam has not run it’s course for much too long! This “stella” is just some people sitting around thinking of 3 sentence statements to throw out once or twice a month.

    Let me make this clear… GPP is a scam. The more and more I look it seems to be a pyrimid scam.

    Funny how someone actualy made a scam on top of a scam based on GPP!

    Even funnier, when that other GPP scammer came along w/ that fake GPP site. Do you all recall how fast GPP got on the good foot and put out that statement saying that there was a fake site out there “stealing” their (GPP) funds? HA HA! Bet no one ever saw “Stella” move that fast before huh? We should have asked her to work on a banking solution that fast…

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 30th May 2008 @ 3:31 am

  1058. Sorry you did not understand why some of us had to change our profiles, unfortunately we do not stay under a blanked under the tree like you, we changed our e-mail address etc. so that had to be changed. Now tell me, Stella is so clever to let us do this so she can run away! Enjoy your weekend in ignorance!

    Comment by EXTAN — 30th May 2008 @ 12:32 pm

  1059. Extan,

    If you haven’t found why “stella” gives these little “updates” of hers, then you never will. Your argument is that, why would “stella” and co. go through all the trouble just to scam people for few millions? Well, I’ll tell you, that is exactly why. You choose to ignore any facts contradicting your own views, talk about sticking your head in the sand…
    Tell me your opinion, if you think GPP is for real, Why is it being promoted through multilevel marketing, and made to look like a pyramid scheme?
    These two together, are surely not the signs of a successful firm…

    Comment by Rokka — 30th May 2008 @ 1:06 pm

  1060. Extan
    There is something else you could do under a tree, it involves a rope!
    For such an “educated” person, you really are thick!
    With all the bad press about gpp, if gpp was the real deal then “stella” would be making statements left, right and center to calm the members down, but she/they are saying nothing for weeks at a time, and the money still keeps on rolling in. And when she/they do make a statement its about the never ending refunds or profile updates. Why no updates about what is actually happening?
    As usual i don’t expect a serious or civil response.

    Comment by Blade68 — 30th May 2008 @ 1:19 pm

  1061. Blade68 I wonder who has not got a civil behaviour, I do not need a rope or a metal extension! Anyway, give it a little more time and you will see, actually there seems to be a good sign on another horizon for us to earn enough money, so we only hope for your sake to get some money from GPP! Be kind to each other…

    Comment by EXTAN — 30th May 2008 @ 2:04 pm

  1062. Just a little translation in EXTAN’s last post: There is another scam coming and coming soon from the same group.

    This notion that the profile’s had to be locked to prevent hackers from stealing the information is laughable. Any other legitimate investment firm does not lock you out of changing your profile any time you want. Besides, the damage had already been done. They had already stolen the database. This is nothing more than smoke and mirrors at trying to make the members think something is going on, when in reality nothing of importance is happening. Just like a magician, you direct a person’s eye to what you want them to see, not what is really going on. It is nothing more than a misdirection ploy.

    As JH said, someone needs to shoot someone and put everyone out of their misery. This constant promising and dragging this on and on is cruel to the members. Talk about giving false hope. Maybe the heat the heat from the investigation the Finnish authorities are putting on the Finn promoters just might be the rope that is needed to hang the people behind this scam. Hopefully before they can start another one; and yes the same people who bought into this one, will buy into it. Thus why they are preparing to start a new one. They have milked this one for almost all its worth. The good news coming is hopefully they have found out who is behind this and they have been arrested.

    Comment by EagleOne — 30th May 2008 @ 5:29 pm

  1063. Eagle,
    That was well said, couldn’t agree with you more. Giving false hope to people should be punishable in itself already.

    and what comes to this Extan character, I said earlier that these kind of people show up always in these kind of scams. There’s always one “extan” who is telling people how everything is ok and it’s all legal, trying to change the subject, telling everybody how smart he is, telling people to stay positive, and when all else fails resorts to insults. What is his function in GPP remains unclear, is he a promoter or scammer? Well, anybodys guess is as good as mine…

    Comment by Rokka — 30th May 2008 @ 6:23 pm

  1064. Eagle,

    I too agree that you have hit the nail on the head! Extan is always talking this nonsense. Guess he’s glad that today is Friday so that he can have a “way out”.

    There are only two things that I’d like to add for the moment… Speaking of Finland, let me show this:

    Finland’s NBI probes another online pyramid scheme

    9.4.2008 at 13:57

    Finland’s National Bureau of Investigation (NBI) is investigating another suspected online pyramid fraud scheme, Tampere-based daily Aamulehti reported on Wednesday.

    According to the paper, the scheme is called Global Pension Plan. The NBI had said earlier it was probing an online “investment” scheme named WinCapita.

    “This is a cross between pyramid marketing and an illegal lottery,” Jouni Laiho, a senior civil servant at the interior ministry, was quoted as saying by Aamulehti.

    Mr Laiho told the paper that thousands of Finns had probably lost their money.

    Global Pension Plan is marketed on the internet as a retirement pension scheme costing as little as 30 euros. Punters are told that they will be paid a pension of 55,000 euros on a vague future date provided at least 100,000 sign up to the scheme.

    /STT/

    *****************************

    Now what is that saying?

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 30th May 2008 @ 7:14 pm

  1065. Also wanted to make a point… I’m sure that you all have done this, but look up on a search engine: GPP, SCAM

    You’ll truly be amazed at how many people around the world have been scammed! Now if this was a valid company, you would not get as many hits on scam as they have!

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 30th May 2008 @ 7:16 pm

  1066. Mike check,about what you wrote..it’s right,and do you want to know something else?the promoters are trying to “calm people and tell them that the press doesn’t allways tell the truth and mister Laiho have his own interest,Finland have to many business in a monopol,Finnish banks are gelous about gpp and that’s why they don’t want to do with them and even one person who tell to the authorites a lot from gpp, know the promoters tell us that they can put him in front of the law if they want it,because he lie to them,but they doesn’t have to because whe all know that every body whan to put us down,don’t let them!”…what a crap!!The banks sure know where to trust and gpp never give any kind of information about them,why they have to trust this people?,sume this person if you sure you get more about it and don’t loose more future fans for sure.In Finland authorities take care about the people and that project never was in they opinion legal,so why they want to make business afther all?why they doesn’t stop from doing it there if is allready police involte?they know that they never get cut?.That is so sad,is people out there who dream about his last chance in life to get something for his kids and a better life for them…Is not fare that that kind of scams aren’t stop yet and still are geting more money.

    Comment by salt — 1st June 2008 @ 12:53 am

  1067. Salt,

    Yes it is sad that GPP is STIL getting money off of the unknowing. I’m wondering how they are pitching this? I mean the entire program should just be over! How can additional monies be obtained from an onging program that apparently has no backing!!!

    I also wanted to reiterate a previous comment. Remembering the previous statement on the search engine fir GPP and Scam? We have all done this, but if it werent a scam, why do we see more negative info than good?

    Unfortunate that we cant intervine in the word of mouth introductions to this scam. The sourc of this info on this “great program” must be found!

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 2nd June 2008 @ 2:57 am

  1068. I think GPP needs a theme song, and I suggest “The 12th of Never.” Anyone got any better suggestions?

    Comment by EagleOne — 2nd June 2008 @ 3:11 am

  1069. Eagle,
    Theme song suggestion was excellent stuff, cheered up my monday, thanks.
    Anyhoo, here are my suggestions for the theme song:

    – “take the money and run” by Steve Miller band
    – “money for nothing” by Dire straits
    – “I should have known better” By the Beatles
    – “running on empty” by Jackson Browne

    I think one of these songs would fit nicely for this scam known as GPP… 🙂

    Comment by Rokka — 2nd June 2008 @ 12:15 pm

  1070. Guess we will have to change our GPP passwords again on 7th June so the bluddy hackers cannot zip our info.

    Louis said: Here is an idea Extan – why not lead a couple of your favourite hikes on “our” mountain for our hiking club?

    Extan the true cheer leader and future hiking leader 🙂

    Comment by EXTAN — 2nd June 2008 @ 2:59 pm

  1071. Eagle,that’s a good one!!!!
    I thing a song for gpp..whe dont’t need another hero,all good things come to un end and prince money don’t matter to night…lol,just the oposite!

    Comment by salt — 2nd June 2008 @ 5:19 pm

  1072. I knew there were many more ‘possibles’ for GPP’s theme song. Great choices by all. Actually there are so many that apply, I don’t think it is possible to choose just one. I thought surely that EXTAN would have offered up a theme song, “Don’t Worry, Be Happy” or something along those lines.

    Some other songs that did come to mind were: ‘Satisfaction,’ or ‘The Impossible Dream;’ or we could write our own called “Never, Ever Going To Happen.” ROFLOL!

    Comment by EagleOne — 2nd June 2008 @ 7:16 pm

  1073. EXTAN: Since you were going to give them until June/July to pay out, getting nervous? Only 6 more more weeks, and it will have been 5 months past when they originally said they would pay out. In just 2 short weeks, it will be 4 months; and still no word from Stella on this magical banking solution. I think I see your palms getting sweaty, and sweat breaking out on your forehead.

    Anyone want to guess what the next excuse will be as to why the banking solution has been delayed? Get ready because it is coming soon to the GPP forum near you; but it will be all the member’s fault. ROFLOL!

    Comment by EagleOne — 3rd June 2008 @ 1:00 am

  1074. Eagle,

    The next excuse will be the criminal investigation launched in Finland against GPP. At least that is my guess.

    “But not to worry, when everything is proven legit, things will start to look good again, and banking solution can be established. This might take time, but patience is a virtue.
    Just have some faith. What is little more waiting, since we’ve waited for so long?”

    Something to this similar effect we’ll be hearing from GPP promoters.
    And that finnish man/woman who filed the criminal complaint against GPP will be held accused for GPP eventual demise.
    And if these kind of idiotic excuses don’t work for the members, I bet that envy/jealousy card will be pulled again. And then of course there are the conspiracy theories about evil banks/police/goverment making GPP fail. Make your pick.

    Comment by Rokka — 3rd June 2008 @ 2:32 am

  1075. Here’s a little blast from the past:
    http://web.archive.org/web/20051129025401/http://www.globalpensionplan.net/

    Here you can see how the GPP pages used to look.
    I’ll quote few parts that made me laugh:

    “First of all, we have all the financial resources needed to launch and run an operation this size” (how’s that “banking solution” coming along, by the way?)

    “And last but not least, one of the most important factor in any business with online context is the capable and reliable IT-partner, which we have had from the very beginning of the project working with us turning our vision into reality and making our goals more easily achievable.”( weren’t you guys hacked, and database was stolen?)

    So, I can safely say that in these three years, GPP has lived up to their statements, right? 🙂

    Comment by Rokka — 3rd June 2008 @ 3:01 am

  1076. Eagle and Rokka,

    Ha! that was good! Yes, it’s good that there is something to laugh about with this GPP scam! Rokka, those tunes fit so well!

    Extan,

    How did you find out about this June 7th scam date? Hackers stealing info?! Give me a d’d break! This surely would be considered a crappy program/business who cant buy a virus protector? Surely w/ all of this cash someone could be preventing hackers.

    Once again, go and take your hike, so to speak. Enjoy your strenuous imaginary trips… It’s all good, but why do need to tell us this?

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 3rd June 2008 @ 4:03 am

  1077. Eagle,

    The next excuse will be that the “sky is falling”! Just wait until Aug 7th, then we’ll get the cash! HA!

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 3rd June 2008 @ 4:06 am

  1078. According to Stella the members only have until June 8 to update their profiles, before they lock it again on June 8. Now what is truly a joke about this is, the purpose of locking the profiles in the first place was to prevent hackers from stealing the information. But now they are giving all until June 8 to update their profiles. So what is preventing the hackers from stealing the updated information until they lock the profiles on June 8? Answer: Absolutely nothing.

    As I said, this nothing more than a diversion tactic to draw attention away from the banking solution, which is non-existent. Just an excuse to give the members something to do that makes them think something important is happening; and they are closer to getting paid. It is all smoke and mirrors.

    Comment by EagleOne — 3rd June 2008 @ 6:04 am

  1079. Mike I am sorry for you why don’t you congratulate me for being chosen to lead groups of hikers on an ongoing basis, have done it before, a big group of Chinese of all age groups, they were so happy as we will be soon when GPP pays out!! 🙂

    Comment by EXTAN — 3rd June 2008 @ 3:24 pm

  1080. These are 2 early posts I found that “Extan” wrote. It seems that over the last few months, either his english has worsend significantly, or the posts are being written by someone else.

    Read some new posts and compare them to the 2 below

    Just seems a little weird.

    Old POST
    Well Mike, everyone should do some homework to find these GPP organizers, but not publish on here because then they would be warned and just relocate, anyway if they close down their website and run away with our money, if not already done, they will surely flee to Mexico, Angola, Japan or one of those secret places. Just imagine, more than 100000 clients and their friends and families, if just a few can exchange e-mail addresses and get properly organised, it is NOT about the 30 Euro that you lost, it is about our long held dreams being shattered by some GREEDY people and some of us would have gained millions of Euro through “hard” work!

    and

    Roccas letter seems to be inconclusive, he rightly remarked on the zero info we have on GPP, but then he said we should be optimistic about it, they are going to pay out (I hope too!!). You know it’s not about to admit to have been scammed, I once had another scheme which was worked out so well (should have worked for all), but most humans are not really ready to take part so that everyone can win, downright stupid and very GREEDY, they can only mess it up! GPP should also work, but the advertised gains should have been more realistic, a gain of 154% over a short time seems to be too optimistic

    Comment by Jason — 3rd June 2008 @ 4:12 pm

  1081. Jason: Good observations, and yes many of us have thought for a long time we have more than one EXTAN, Extan, extan, extant. It is not only the English that changes, but also the tone and dynamics of the posts. Just like we have more than one Stella too. I guess they get some delight in thinking they have us fooled into believing they are all the same person, but they are only fooling themselves. Actually not unusual since anyone promoting GPP has to be delusional if they believe GPP is real.

    Comment by EagleOne — 3rd June 2008 @ 7:05 pm

  1082. Jason and EagleOne really f-u brains, nothing better to do than pulling your hair or something else, hu hu hu, hope you enjoy it and have some tissue paper —

    Only one EXTAN, ask Ben, he knows my REAL first name. I’m the one that does not need a metal extension like you desperately need, or a heavy rock 🙂

    Oh yes, Gpp will soon give us info about their bank and issue debit cards.

    Comment by Extan — 3rd June 2008 @ 9:57 pm

  1083. I’m sure you are the only Extan; but EXTAN, extan and extant are not you. Glad I could clear that up for you. Just as we have more than one Stella. What’s with the foul mouth? Wasn’t called for, but thanks for proving you and EXTAN, extan, and extant are not the same.

    I’m sure GPP will give what is considered to be info about their banking solution and debit card. It just won’t be from a legitimate bank. For if they did, the bank would be shut down by the regulators. But nice try at trying to make it sound like any solution GPP provides will be real. ROFLOL!

    Comment by EagleOne — 3rd June 2008 @ 10:19 pm

  1084. EXTAN,
    I was wrong not to congratulate you on your mountain climbing. Perhaps you did… who knows (maybe something like GPP, if not congrats).
    NOW…

    Extan,
    Why don’t you tell us of this great trip. What mountain did you climb? Tell us a little about it. Surely you could tell us a little something as you always do so… Oh, I mean Extan, not EXTAN!!!

    EXTAN,
    I could kind of agree partially with one of your previous statements about GPP. You state that we should not post any info regarding GPP to prevent them from moving around. Hmmm, maybe I’m wrong, but if we cannot find them, why not provide them with inconvienience? Could possibly prevent them from obtaining some money. Then again, maybe not… But inconvienience is the preference that I’m thinking of.
    — Of course you may have a point in not having them move so that we can catch GPP members. Unfortunately we havent yet.

    I don’t know. What is everyones’ take on the tracking down of GPP?

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 4th June 2008 @ 12:38 am

  1085. Quoting Extan:”Oh yes, Gpp will soon give us info about their bank and issue debit cards.”

    Why isn’t the info already available, Extan? Dating back to 2005, it said in GPP website that: “First of all, we have all the financial resources needed to launch and run an operation this size.”

    If everything was ready back in 2005, when GPP launched, where is the “banking solution”?

    And Extan, one more question, Where do you base your belief, is it facts or blind faith?

    I think scammers behind GPP were telling the truth, when they said that they the have the “all the financial resources needed ” for this.
    I mean, few laptops and broadband connection doesn’t cost much. That is all that is needed to run this kind of scam.

    And what comes to tracking down GPP, one can always hope that they’ll be caught. But I have my doubts. Police might catch some promoters and they get a little slap on the wrist, but “stella” and co. will stay under the radar until it’s time for a new scam. And probably Extan is first one to join 😉

    Comment by Rokka — 4th June 2008 @ 2:27 am

  1086. Rokka: There never was any banking solution when they started this. They just said so to make it sound legitimate. If so, they would have known there was no such thing as an anonymous debit card. Yet this wasn’t discovered by GPP until December of last year. Also they didn’t even start looking for a banking solution until all the crapola hit the fan when Stella told the members they would have to find their own banking solution. Remember Stella’s panic update telling the members to stop it was causing problems in the banking community? That’s when they decided they had to make everyone think they were finding a banking solution, and Stella told the tale of traveling to 3 continents.

    If they do announce a banking solution, it will be some Internet bank of dubious character, as any respectful bank would have nothing to do with them. Besides, this is only a story. No banking solution is being sought. They will disappear before that ever has to happen. The only question now is how much longer will they play their game before they do disappear? From all appearances, they seem to be in their death throws now. It all depends on how many policies are still being bought, and if they think they can avoid the authorities from being found out.

    Comment by EagleOne — 4th June 2008 @ 6:37 am

  1087. Hope something will be done after 8th June, Stella might say: “hey, now you have updated your profile and now I will run away into nowhere”… how studid can one really be??

    Comment by EXTAN — 4th June 2008 @ 3:26 pm

  1088. The next excuse will be maybe that whe never send the right informaton for the administration who takes care of ower pension matters and so much people send the contract without the most important information there,so they ask again for ower data info and give us another month or more perhaps for make it again…
    Do you know people that wen Stella said that ower profiles have the last chance to update,i was in the forum and just wen i went out my web stop to work and Nokia said that was a virus from there what did that,my phone internet doesn’t works and never again i”m goin there,my friend that week get the same virus in her computer,now only i can’t use the computer in two weeks,nokia tecnic people said that don’t you go there if they don’t have the decent web side.
    So if some one get info from gpp,please tell,i’m sorry but i don’t wan to go there and get another ‘give’ from theme.
    That’s another thing from my friends,Stella never give theme another password wen they need it and they are out of the program because that,what they say here isn’t in other country,rules are not clair for every one,so why the trust?,my friend give me for a give that gpp”oportunity” and i’m so sad that give us nothing good,he than’t speak again with me because he was telling every body that is not a scam and i was’t thinking like that,now he thinks that it is a scam and a shame for that,why that makes people like that?,who take care of the maltfares or virus from theme?NEVER AGAIN EVEN WAS FROM A GIFE!!!..another song for gpp?never,never gonna get it!!from in vogue.

    Comment by salt — 4th June 2008 @ 3:33 pm

  1089. Salt: Good observation, and you may be closer to the truth than you know. You access the site and get a virus. Aren’t you glad this is being run by Professionals! ROFLOL!

    Comment by EagleOne — 4th June 2008 @ 5:56 pm

  1090. Eagle,

    I know that there’s not going to be any banking solution, and there never was. Even a child can realise that. Just wanted to hear some meaningless rants from Extan(s) by asking about it, they always make me laugh. And surely he did not fail me.

    Comment by Rokka — 5th June 2008 @ 12:42 am

  1091. yes Extan this post of your makes alot of sense and in typical fashion you have evaded answering any of the questions…….

    Good post BTW

    Jason and EagleOne really f-u brains, nothing better to do than pulling your hair or something else, hu hu hu, hope you enjoy it and have some tissue paper —

    Only one EXTAN, ask Ben, he knows my REAL first name. I’m the one that does not need a metal extension like you desperately need, or a heavy rock

    Oh yes, Gpp will soon give us info about their bank and issue debit cards.

    Comment by Extan – June 3, 2008 @ 9:57 pm

    Comment by Jason — 5th June 2008 @ 10:19 am

  1092. always good when one gets quoted, anyway last night we danced in a sunken hall with pillars on the side, Stella was dishing out food, had no money 🙂 have a good day and don’t sulk so much..

    Comment by EXTAN — 5th June 2008 @ 11:56 am

  1093. This clown is just getting annoying

    Comment by Jason — 5th June 2008 @ 12:29 pm

  1094. Eagle!that’s right!good professionals…
    Can they even make a song for us in the time every body waits for some answers?That’s to funny!,maybe they can do it from kuala and put some exotic lyrycs from there…i guess will be nice for all of us to know they are “doing something” for sure!LOL

    Comment by salt — 5th June 2008 @ 9:21 pm

  1095. Ha Ha! Jason, you are so right! This nonsense is getting on my nerves too. I almost felt sorry for calling him out. Meaning, one of the extans or the other… looking at this both. Humph…

    Everyone, I went to even another msg board… again. This is so very sad. I just have to say it again. Looks like these scammers, the chearleaders, are those who are actually making some money! It’s no wonder that they are continuing to tell about how great GPP is. There are also, as said previously, many Global _______ _____ named scams.

    I’ll return with some interesting info…

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 6th June 2008 @ 2:53 am

  1096. Found this ditty in another post, but don’t know who posted it. Thought you would find it most interesting, and I quote whoever posted it. This was posted on TeamThemco in May of 2007, and came from Stella:

    “The jurisdiction in which our co-operating insurance company is located doesn’t have these so called “insurance controllers” and the legislation allows worldwide commerce of insurance policies.

    The Trust Partner has done these deals with smaller, but still international clientele before and with this same licensed and registered insurance company without any problems from the Big Brother’s side.”

    Comment by EagleOne — 6th June 2008 @ 10:51 am

  1097. Guess Jason cannot even dance?? Watch Stella hand out the money, but we have 2 commodity trades going that will give us more commission than GPP can fork out worth $5m+ (ex a long downline), so whatever, enjoy your weekend!!

    Oh yes, about the banking solution, theoretically we should soon hear about it (or not), GPP probably biting their nails about this, but judging that there is no place to hide, what else can they do?

    Comment by EXTAN — 6th June 2008 @ 2:35 pm

  1098. WOW, I’m impressed. EXTAN’s English improved 130% in just one post. Now I wonder how that happened? Maybe all that dancing jarred his brain, and cleared out all the cobwebs. Not only that, but now he is going to be multi-rich from his expert trading skills. Does his talents never end? But he isn’t any good at business. Have a great weekend EXTAN, and enjoy all that wealth. Don’t blow it all at Mickey D’s.

    Comment by EagleOne — 6th June 2008 @ 5:37 pm

  1099. “Oh yes, about the banking solution, theoretically we should soon hear about it (or not),”

    What planet is the multi talented ( and multi personalities!) ExTaN on?
    Now he is getting really annoying!

    Comment by Blade68 — 6th June 2008 @ 8:55 pm

  1100. Ah more stall tactics on the forum.

    Apparently loads of people have forgotten their passwords….

    ‘Taking care of this manually takes time’ is a quote from her new post, as she now apparently has to manually reset them all.

    I have not forgotton a password in my ebtire life, I find it hard to belive that people with a vested interest in what could potentially set them up for life would ‘forget their passwords’

    Yeah right.

    Addition: Just had a thought that Extan could maybe resolve for me….

    If these people have forgotten their passwords, how are they going to access the forum to get the email addresss to request the new password?

    Comment by Jason — 7th June 2008 @ 10:50 am

  1101. Jason: Excellent points. But it does give them at least another 4-6 months. If it takes Stella as long to handle these requests as it has for her to take care of the December “refunds,” it will be October or November before she will be able to complete these requests. Which means the profiles are exposed for a longer period of time to be stolen. Just more delay tactics as you have so properly noted. Sure glad these people are “PROFESSIONALS.”

    Comment by EagleOne — 7th June 2008 @ 9:29 pm

  1102. Hi Jason, maybe use a password that reminds you of your best girlfriend plus add a number of how many times she gave you ice cream, unless you are differently inclined. We use a word/number that one has to write down because it is too difficult to remember, to make sure one of the hackers can’t get into our profiles. Will have to waaaait for GPP’s next move, but our commodity sales agreements are nearly approved, so whatever GPP…

    Comment by EXTAN — 9th June 2008 @ 3:28 pm

  1103. BLAH BLAH BLAH!!!

    Comment by Blade68 — 9th June 2008 @ 5:30 pm

  1104. Hi, EXTAN

    It’s nice to see that you already progressed to stage 4(depression) in Kubler-Ross model. So, now it’s “whatever GPP”, and maybe soon you’ll reach stage 5 and you’ll be able to accept the fact that you were scammed.

    Comment by Rokka — 9th June 2008 @ 6:24 pm

  1105. Eagle,

    You bring another good point… Now in the first place, why would ANYONE want a refund on thier money if they should have been paid the full amount back in December months before that?

    Hmmm… Let’s see… I’d like to get my $40 back today instead of getting my 80K tomorrow. Yea, I’d like to know who would do that (if infact we knew that this was a valid company). What I’m saying is that no one would do that! Probably has no one doing that refund nonsense (then again, I would ask for it knowing that this was a scam in the first place)…

    Jason what an excellent point!

    As for this password nonsense… They have got to be kidding! This Stella clown expects anyone to believe that she’s going to manually reset the passwords!!??! HOW? On top of that, has anyone received any email traffic from these clowns? Just curious. Everyone, let’s think of this… For all of the people in this program, this would take forever to complete! This time would be better spent getting us those funds.

    SCAM! Everyone right or wrong!?

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 9th June 2008 @ 6:27 pm

  1106. Hmm, manually to reset the passwords? Now why would “stella” had do that, if GPP has a “capable and reliable IT partner”, like they stated when the program started three years ago?
    It’s interesting how “stella” in her every update, contradicts her previous staments, and statements GPP made, and still some people fail to see anything suspicious about that.
    I think all of us have realised that GPP is a scam, even EXTAN.
    It just might be hard accept it, if you got all your relatives and friends to join. That’s the reason to keep up the faith.

    And why I keep posting and telling that GPP is a scam? Well, Bill COsby said it best :
    “A word to the wise ain’t necessary — it’s the stupid ones that need the advice.”

    Comment by Rokka — 9th June 2008 @ 7:31 pm

  1107. Hi, Well if GPP is a scam or not, is not an easy question. It sure looks like it but it also could be sheer stupidity. and that Stella has in abundance. I know for a fact that policies or judgements can be monetized on the offshore international financial markets. BUt just for another year.

    Then all hell breaks loose. By that I mean the collpase fo the present world system gets under way. It is underway all ready. Rather than I writing a long disertation on nature and change, go to http://www.ramtha.com and order yourself the series of CD’s called “Ramtha’s Prophecy series called CHANGE: THE DAYS THAT ARE HERE. iF YOU do NOT wish TO ORDER THE WHOLE SERIES, AT LEAST ORDER THE “ITALY” ONE. You do not have much time left.

    May truth wake up in all of you,

    Why do I tell you this. Simply because you are all my brothers and sisters in creation and I would like to see you survive the earth changes. Science has lied to us, Governments have lied and manipulated us as have religions. We have been lied to so much that now the lies seems true. But you be the judge. I already know what is true or not But it is not my job to convince you. It is your job to wake up and understand truth when you hear it or read it. Now I trust only myself and GOD who lives in me.

    Stefan

    [Addition by Ben: Everyone has a right to free speech I suppose, which is why I approved this comment. Make of it what you will…]

    Comment by stefan — 9th June 2008 @ 9:12 pm

  1108. Rokka,

    Ha, Ha! That is so VERY true! Indeed, part of the reason I too am here to try to prevent others from falling victim to these dream stealers! I’ll tell you, the best that I can do is to post in as many locations as I can as to disway as many people as poffible from this scam!

    Comment by MikeCheck — 10th June 2008 @ 3:48 am

  1109. Extan , I am glad your financial future is secure with your investments.

    I too have had good news. Some kind Nigerian fellow sent me an email telling me he wants to give me 40% of his 100 000 000 dollar fortune, which means I never have to work again.

    Also, I won an email lottery yesterday…..twice

    Comment by Jason — 10th June 2008 @ 8:43 am

  1110. Hi Jason et al, I had a hell of a day, our brilliant students always wait for the last day (before presenting) to hand in their printed circuit layout usually together with a virus and since the negative process has many steps it takes a lot of work and trouble. Well maybe 50 days to wait and I can change over to only invest money, hope the “tip” from GPP will aslo help. Sleep well!!

    Comment by EXTAN — 10th June 2008 @ 4:32 pm

  1111. Extan,

    I had a day too… The rockets scientists and nuclear physists decided to build a fusion reactor that will fly to the next star! After that they decided to invest in GPP! This will pay for the rocket.

    Look, these little quips about nonsense is now not impressing anyone.

    I also still think have direct dealings w/GPP. I’d rather think that you really are “in on it” with GPP, as opposed to really being as dense to believe that this will actually pay.

    You seem to have quite a bit of info from GPP. Where are you getting this info?

    You know, I’m actually frustrated with GPP, not your nonsense, continuing to scam people and coming up with these incredible lies to steal money. How can anyone not be frustrated about that?

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 11th June 2008 @ 2:54 am

  1112. EXTAN: Your “Brilliant” students sound like they would believe in being a part of GPP. You need to sign them up immediately so they can buy up all those “additional” policies. Time is running out, well not really, but thought I would just throw that line in for laughs.

    Comment by EagleOne — 11th June 2008 @ 3:53 am

  1113. Jason: Sorry, but my E-mail address is really quite lucky. It has won me 35 E-mail lottery drawings for more than 250 Million dollars. Not counting my E-mail being selected to help 3 widow ladies distribute their late husband’s mass fortunes; and then I have at least 8 deceased people a bank officer wants me to stand in as their next of kin. With all these winnings, helping widows, and being named next of kin; GPP is just chump change.

    I think the two of us should pool our vast wealth and start our own program. We can’t do a RPP because that lie has already been used too many times; but I think we should do a viatical insurance product program. The best part is it is harder to understand, so no need to do any in-depth explanations but trust me. If there are more than 150,000 people willing to give an anonymous group all that money they have to GPP, this one should attract even more. Just PM me and we’ll work out the details.

    Comment by EagleOne — 11th June 2008 @ 6:27 am

  1114. lol EagleOne, count me in 🙂

    The Nigerian assures me the money is on the way, and I have also been contacted by a church minister asking me to help him get 11 million out (all of which are of course church funds)of Ghana

    All in all we are looking flush for the new business venture 🙂

    Comment by Jason — 11th June 2008 @ 11:35 am

  1115. Eagle and Jason,

    I can’t believe that there’s other people who are just as lucky as me.
    My email has to proven to be just as good of a jackpot as yours, african widows, lotteries,some pension insurances,forex trading, you name it.
    We three could easily start a new RPP, I think it’s possible with our theoretical wealth to accomplish that.I bet we could find 150000-200000 suck—, erh, I mean customers. There’s plenty of EXTANs out there. First thing would be to hire “stella” to help us out, and not to forget those “reliable IT-partners” that she’ll bring.
    Name for it could be “reverse insurance pension of financial freedom”,
    or R.I.P.O.F.F, if you will.
    How about it?

    Comment by Rokka — 11th June 2008 @ 9:18 pm

  1116. Ha! You two are a trip! Tell you what, you all loan me about 500,000 and I’ll go in w/ extans students and buy up the rest of the policies! They will only need us to buy 20 thousand more policies… wait a couple of months, then say that they need another 20 thousand more policies, wait another couple of months and figure that they have no “banking solution” etc…

    This kind of waiting is unacceptable for a valid company of any kind! I’m not going to inferr that this is a scam, but I’m going to tell everyone that it IS a SCAM. This is of course unless you’d like to contribute to these clowns vacation fund…. or even better Stella’s children’s fund! You all remember that? A very, very sad attempt to use a children’s charity to line their pockets! That’s just dirty…

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 11th June 2008 @ 10:41 pm

  1117. Rokka: First let me say that I am chagrined that you think our wealth is theoretical. I am sure that Jason has been assured, as I have, this is all legitimate. But, since you also have enormous wealth coming to you as well, I agree we should join forces. All the Extan’s can be our cheerleaders/promoters. I hear they all work cheap. Besides, they tell compelling stories of talents other mere mortals can only aspire to achieve. They make a good front team. Keeps people from concentrating on getting paid and focused on all their great feats of achievement and talents.

    Now all we need to do is get the 3 Amiga’s from Latvia to help us out, and I think we can pull this off. We might also need to use EXTAN’s contact at First Oceanic Bank to process the deposits though for a fall-back position. They have such a high standing in the banking world, and we only want to use the best. I do like the acronym, and I’m sure that Stella and the Trust is jealous they didn’t think of it first. I’m sure if they had only gotten EXTAN involved early on, with all his talents he would have come up with it. Sure glad they didn’t and we can use it.

    Now all we have to do is come up with some foolish amount for the payout to go with our processing fee. Let’s do it right, and shoot for a $50 dollar processing fee, but set the payout to be a cool $100,000. That will really get people to sign up. Makes GPP look like chump change. Of course we need to find 3 people to play the role of Stella, and we need to come up with a more exciting name than Stella for that role.

    Sorry, I realized I may have given too much away on this forum, so we can work out all the details in a PM. Besides, no-one will remember any of this anyway, so I think we are safe. Besides, we will just use all the Extan’s to give us cover by enrapturing them with their stories of skills, talents, and investment prowess. They will forget all about this post of mine. And if they do remember, we will tell them it was just a bunch of naysayers trying to take down a legitimate company by spreading lies and not wanting to see the average “Joe” get ahead. Always has worked in the past.

    Comment by EagleOne — 12th June 2008 @ 2:25 am

  1118. All in all it is sounding a pretty solid business plan.

    I will phone the Aston Martin dealership a little later on tonight to book a test drive.

    Comment by Jason — 12th June 2008 @ 1:59 pm

  1119. Actually I have been following a quite heated exchange on another forum where one poster said GPP did have the banking solution in place, but was not releasing the details yet. Rather than paraphrase, here is what was said, and I quote: “You heard what I said and regardless of how you want to twist it, there IS a banking solution in place. Don’t expect Stella to post anything just yet. She is aware of how ignorant you and other are.”

    I found it interesting that this person claims to know, but the membership doesn’t. Makes you wonder why Stella is withholding this information doesn’t it, provided of course this statement is true. I would think if one was in place, Stella would have provided an update “proclaiming” this piece of news, instead of not revealing it. I really believe this is just someone trying to sound important, and not true. Then again, this is GPP. The only thing that has consistently worked has been the buy more policies link.

    Comment by EagleOne — 12th June 2008 @ 9:55 pm

  1120. eagle 1
    would you like to share this other forum with everyone else?

    Comment by jacko — 13th June 2008 @ 8:05 am

  1121. jacko: It is rolclub.com, General Talk link, then GPP thread.

    Comment by EagleOne — 13th June 2008 @ 9:50 am

  1122. thanks eagle 1

    Comment by jacko — 13th June 2008 @ 11:44 am

  1123. Eagle and Jason: I think we have it all wrapped up then for our business venture, Eagle sure thought of everything. Then we should find a nice catchy slogan for RIPOFF and some sales pitch would also be needed. Luckily we can just copy everything from GPP and save some time and money. There’s no fear of getting sued by GPP, since it’s not actually a company of any sort.And if we can get EXTAN on board telling on every forum something like,” why would they scam people for some measly 5-10mil.€, if they already have tens, maybe hundreds of millions from a late african dictators inheritance”, and “this is how rich people make money”, then we’re set.
    I’ve already taken the first step for our “company”, so here’s the email address of RIPOFFs customer
    support:ripoff.customersupport@gmail.com

    Feel free to contact for further info… 🙂

    Comment by Rokka — 13th June 2008 @ 1:15 pm

  1124. Eagle: I took a quick look on that other forum that you mentioned( and few others also), and it looks like guys like EXTAN do grow on trees. There’s plenty of same kind of mumble jumble by GPP promoters, I guess the empty can rattles the most…

    Comment by Rokka — 13th June 2008 @ 1:34 pm

  1125. I think we need to have a monthly newsletter to keep the faithful, well faithful. I suggest we call it The SCREWU Monthly. I found this new hosting site called UpYours, and knew immediately it was the hosting site we had been looking for. I think I have the banking solution in place. We may have to wait for their name change to go through first though. They are changing their name to Cheaters Bank & Trust from just Cheaters Trust. It is my fault, as I suggested they might want to add the word bank to their name. I thought it would make them sound more credible and authentic. I especially liked their wire departments Deposit Only policies. Gets rid of all those pesky reversal and charge-back fees, and easier monthly bank statements.

    Just a few more finishing touches, and we should be ready to launch. I got even more good news today, as my E-mail just keeps on winning. Also learned that I can help a poor GI ferret out of Iraq millions of Saddam’s fortune he found. So no doubt we will be adequately funded. Well, must get back to working out the rest of those little details so this will run smoothly. One more note, instead of Stella, I think we should call our one woman customer service, paralegal, banking consultant, contract negotiator, and jackette of all trades Adrian. Think of all the possibilities: ADRIAN, Adrian, Adrians, adrian, and adrians. Not final, so I am open to suggestions. Gee, this is getting exciting to be so close to untold millions with minimal work and $200 bucks.

    Comment by EagleOne — 13th June 2008 @ 7:42 pm

  1126. My friends,

    Got two things to note:
    1) What exactly is this $40.00 for? Admin fees or investment money for the pension?
    2) I’d like anyone considering sending money to any of these internet banks to do one thing… LOOK UP THE BANK ONLINE BEFORE SENDING anything!!! I can guarentee that you will find very little about the bank that is positive, and a whole lot that is negative!
    —- Tell you what… if this is actually a bank, see if they have any materials on making loans, checking accounts, ANYTHING other than taking your money. We all know the answer…

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 13th June 2008 @ 10:01 pm

  1127. Eagle,
    I see that our plan is getting along quite well. But you’re hurrying things, why would we need a banking solution? We’ll just get it in the end of the program, so we’ll have good 8-10 years to think about it.
    And I think we should raise the bar to 300000 policies sold, we should be little bit more ambitious then GPP. Money shouldn’t be a problem for it, since I received today email telling me that I have won in the lottery, which is funny ’cause I don’t remember participating in one.
    And what comes to a name, my suggestion is Faith.
    I mean, person named Faith couldn’t be a scammer, right?
    I already pulled my share of the workload for our venture today, opened up an email account for customer support. Wasn’t easy, but I managed 🙂

    Comment by Rokka — 13th June 2008 @ 10:58 pm

  1128. Rokka: Very good points, and I do like using the name Faith as our sole contact person. My reason for saying we had a banking solution up front was just for that purpose: Saying we had a banking solution which makes people think we are real. Gives us the illusion of legitimacy right out of the box. Then we can say due to those evil regulatory agencies and banks, they changed the rules on us at the last minute, so now we have to find a new one. This gives us many years to keep promising one, but not really doing so. I’m sorry I forgot to mention that in my last missive.

    As for raising the number required to 300,000 that is an excellent idea. We can always claim that these have paid out in the past, and we have a new twist that heretofore only the rich could access. We also need to find an obscure charity we can say we are supporting. This way if we give them a few thousand, it will be more money than they have raised in their lifetime. They are happy, the members are happy, and we can point to our being great humanitarians. A win-win for all.

    Well, must get back to finding the charity. This is really a lot of fun, and we should have thought of this early on in this uh, er, process.

    Comment by EagleOne — 14th June 2008 @ 5:25 am

  1129. Rokka, I know who grows on trees, boomslange 🙂 GPP is in the sleeping mode, wonder when they will wake up?

    Comment by Extan — 14th June 2008 @ 1:45 pm

  1130. Stella has wake up after her 2 weeks silent…. again she post up something which upset most of the members … just totally bullshit

    Comment by gg — 14th June 2008 @ 3:01 pm

  1131. EXTAN, you can keep wondering until the end of time. Even boomslange can realise how big pile of dirt GPP is, and it’s only a snake, with tiny small brains. But still you continue to believe…

    Comment by Rokka — 14th June 2008 @ 9:56 pm

  1132. Eagle, I think charity is a great idea, and it could be something for the kids. After all, who wouldn’t help kids?
    Name could be something like: Direct Universal Monetary Benefit, or acronym DUMB. Any of our customers who wishes to donate money in this charity, will become ASSociate of our charity program.
    And he/she will receive authentic DUMB.ASS certiface for this good deed.
    But certificate is only shown on customers personal website of our RPP. Since we don’t want to start sending certificates by mail to everyone, or we’ll never get the job done. Or maybe we’ll send them after all, But it will take time to do it manually, so that may postpone the payout of 100000$ for a few months or years.
    Man, it’s not easy being a trust partner when you have think all these things through.

    Comment by Rokka — 14th June 2008 @ 10:42 pm

  1133. We might want to consider having a special forum just for those who support our charity, and their own blog. This will make the charity that much more desirable to join, as everyone wants to have special treatment apart from the masses. They will become the exclusive inclusives. This way we can do away with having to waste time with making certificates, even if only online.

    Since we have so much to decide and things that must be done, I suggest we have a conference call for the three of us to finalize our plans. The number is an International Number: 011-469-8672-7398 (howtoscrewu). You and Jason let me know which day works best for you and the time. Gee, this is getting exciting. Just think, untold millions just a few months away. I just can’t believe how lukcy my E-mail address is. I just won 4 more lotteries because of it, and I have never heard of any of these before. But I know they are legitimate because I was told I couldn’t tell anyone about my good fortune until after I get paid. Hmmm, come to think of it, pretty much like GPP.

    Comment by EagleOne — 16th June 2008 @ 9:16 pm

  1134. And yet more delay on the forums, apparently over 7000 people have forgotten their passwords.

    Sounds hard to believe….

    Comment by Jason — 17th June 2008 @ 1:48 pm

  1135. I’m quite busy at work now, but I think we can schedule something. Luckily I’m about receive a significant amount of money, so I’ll be freed from the chains of labor soon enough. There’s some widow of a late african dictator, who wants to share her huge inheritance with me in exchange for my help. I mean, what are the changes of that happening?!?
    And what comes to our little project, we won’t have the same kind of problems with passwords like GPP. Since in RIPOFF we use credit card numbers for customers password. It’s simple and easy, and people won’t forget it.
    Of course, one might argue that it opens a door to credit card thefts and such. But trust me, RIPOFFs multitalented admin Faith Tapiola is an honest person, and wouldn’t abuse any info given to her.
    I think all of us trust partners can guarantee that she’s worth the trust…

    Comment by Rokka — 17th June 2008 @ 8:42 pm

  1136. Rokka: Where’s your faith? I already quit my job as I am going to be receiving all this money from my 14 E-mail lottery winnings, helping stand in as next of kin so my banker friends (4) and I can share in the deceased’s millions that would have gone unclaimed, and of course the 2 widow ladies (dying from cancer) who want me to help them distribute their wealth as they cannot trust family members to do the right thing. You know how those “famiy” members can be at times. I wouldn’t wait, but step out in faith.

    I have to admit though I was a little nervous and worried, as many of them use gmail or hotmail for an E-mail address. But then I rememberd that Stella does too, so I knew I had nothing to worry about.

    Comment by EagleOne — 17th June 2008 @ 11:13 pm

  1137. I have been told if I invest another $65.00 under a different name, I can have a back office in GPP, and be able to read emails from Stella. Then I can see if B.Seigler actually took care of business and submitted my other contracts or not. Would this be a good idea? Clyde

    Comment by clyde reeves, sr — 18th June 2008 @ 12:35 am

  1138. Come on man! Why buy a lottery ticket when you can become rich using ths GPP?!?! I’ll tell you, the only thing that you have to do is WAIT! It’ll be here next month! — Right! — Note this is sarcasm!! for anyone joining this post please note that this is a serious SCAM!!!

    Please read the previous mails about this fabulous scam!

    Again, I must admit that this was something else! The play on somones dreams! It is just incredible! A deal that seems to be too good to be true, it probably is!!

    I’ll admit, I thought that if this was true, I did not want to be the one who was left out!

    Why did I do that!!! Well if you were in a downline, as I was, then you would hear of what is such a great opportunity. Well can’t cry over stolen money, but I will try everything that i can to inform everyone of this scam…

    — OK off the box! — Just wanted to update newcomers to this forum!

    MikeCheck

    Comment by MikeCheck — 18th June 2008 @ 2:23 am

  1139. Eagle: I do have faith, if it’s written in the internet, it has to be for real. And especially if business opportunity like this comes to ones personal email, it has to taken seriously. I don’t mind that these messages come from gmail or hotmail addresses, lots of legitimate companies use those. Sure, you have to give some money at first to somebody you know nothing about, but that’s just investing.
    That’s the way economy works.

    And what comes to our project, I have one promoter in mind who we should use. This woman, Heather wolf, seems to be promoting in her blog every RPP that exists, including GPP. I might not be strong in faith, but this woman has faith for the whole lot of us.
    It sure is funny to read her site. My opinion is that, she got scammed with RPPs few times, then actually realised that, and started her own scam. One needs to read just to read her site, and you can start own RPP, from there you can find everything you need to run it, ie. all the lousy excuses and so on…

    Comment by Rokka — 18th June 2008 @ 5:15 am