I’ve recently received several emails about this one. It’s called the “Global Pension Plan” and promises to help you turn €30 into €55,000 or more!
I got the following email and decided to look into it:
“Hi Ben
Could you be kind enough to look into this opportunity for me, what’s your opinon on this one, sounds too good to be true!….has it got scam written all over it? it was passed on to me by friend.
thanks for your time
Phil”
Well, I had a good look at the site and tried to find out who is behind it and what is going on.
Rather than take up space here, please visit the main site:
Global Pension Plan - Is it a Scam?
Once you’ve read the report there, please feel free to comment on this blog or send me an email to the usual address.
Thanks,
Ben
*UPDATE 23/02/2008* - I’ve had to remove some comments as the blog was collapsing under the weight!
These comments have been archived and you can view them here:
Archived Global Pension Plan Comments
*UPDATE 13/11/2008* - I’ve had a few problems with the blog over the past 24 hours which resulted in a restore from backup. Consequently you may find some rogue symbols dotted around the place - especially where there used to be a € or £ sign. Apologies for this but there are far too many for me to correct!
*UPDATE 22/12/2008* - Just for fun: The Global Pension Plan - Stella’s Updates
*UPDATE 16/06/2009* - Now that Stella is gone or dead or whatever - she’s not writing the updates in any case - let’s just remind ourselves of when the final date for GPP is (from the official site):
“20th of November, 2008
Deadline & General updateThe Final Deadline: 31st of January 2009
During the last week and half we have been closely in touch with the insurance company and the financier of this project and agreed the final deadline to be set on the above mentioned date. The current turbulent financial climate has created a great pressure to finish the program as soon as possible. This date is absolute and means, that we MUST reach the initially set target of 100.000 qualified members. Otherwise the program closes without payout.”
Note that Stella said “this date is absolute” so it was surprising when the new ‘admin’ posted this:
“10th of May, 2009
UpdateDear Global Pension Plan Members,
As per Trust Partner’s decision, we hereby announce the final closing date of Global Pension Plan: 06/30/2009 That is the 30th of June 2009.
The current number of fully qualified members is only slightly short of the 100.000 limit.
Trust Partner highly appreaciates your efforts and sends you best wishes and luck for the last month and a half.
Sincerely,
Admin”
*UPDATE 26/10/2009* - Apologies for the problems with the blog over the weekend. A new plugin caused the issues. All should be back to normal now…
Busting,
I’ll go one step further… Send me only $20 and I set everyone up with 1 Million dollars each! This to be paid in only 100 yrs! It’s a win win situation! Now if you catch me driving around in a Benz, it’s just because of all of the money that I made off of this scam! lol… Unfortunately this actually is not funny.
Extan,
You are sure right, this world traveler must be running low on funds now. How about some $5.00 policies! Yea! These too, I’d take it would pay the whole contract payment huh?
Seems like you did some good work in finding this clown. I know of someone on a dirrerent board looking for them too! If only I did some resarch and knew about this before hand, I would surely have
informed everyone that I could find and put a hole in their profits. You know I can’t even call that a profit. That would imply that these monies were obtained by actual legal, morale or the like kind of means. Not, what is in effect, stealing.
Well everyone, after the next couple of days has passed, and Stella and Co. has either established a new expiration date or simply breaks camp, we can still join here and attempt to find what else they may do to scam others. I’ll be watching…
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – February 12, 2008 @ 1:14 am
I am sad to find out that my Dad purchased numerous policies and has even become an “upline” guy. Former college professor and one of the most intelligent men I know. Perceived desperation leads to vulnerability, and I fear that G.P.P. has taken advantage of so many, who have had such high hopes.
Comment by downhomeguy – February 12, 2008 @ 2:41 am
Stella,
If you do read this, can you put a post in the forum, or on here, and let us know what’s going on.
Kim
Comment by Kim – February 12, 2008 @ 3:13 am
Stella is busy make up some other lie to tell you. This think has been almost 3 years in the making. You’d figure everything should be planned out to the “T”
Stellair is not only sloppy shes lazy
Comment by Busting Gut – February 12, 2008 @ 3:30 am
hello everybody, please excuse my bad englisch
a friend of mine tells me that in russia they did the similar “game” as GPP. and that they get the payout! his upliner from GPP tells him this. he was going to GPP one year ago instead of the russian thing because hi did not trust the russian.
if they get the payout, it can work also for GPP, or not? if somebody of you have the time to investigate of this russian thing or maby get payout from there, please inform us here. thank you!
another thing: if there is a real stella, she would never post here, if she is criminal or sincere. nor the criminal stella, nor the sincere stella would get her energy inside this discussion. she would be quiet (the criminal), or she would post in the GPP forum.
so the question for stelliar is: to give you here as stella, will give you a bad feeling inside, you can feel it to look in your eyes in the mirror every morning (did you look in to them allready for more as two seconds?). are you comfortable in your own personality? seems not, because you presumed to be another. you must have this problem since longer time, did you? so please try to be youself in your life, accepting also the shadows in your personality. try to solve your own problems and to get a free person. stop it immediately to post here and making some games with other peoples “problems”. it will give you more personally problems then less!
everybody: dont react on the stelliar-postings. dont give energy on that game, we are giving energy enough on GPP!
Comment by monica – February 12, 2008 @ 10:04 am
Well Mike, everyone should do some homework to find these GPP organizers, but not publish on here because then they would be warned and just relocate, anyway if they close down their website and run away with our money, if not already done, they will surely flee to Mexico, Angola, Japan or one of those secret places. Just imagine, more than 100000 clients and their friends and families, if just a few can exchange e-mail addresses and get properly organised, it is NOT about the 30 Euro that you lost, it is about our long held dreams being shattered by some GREEDY people and some of us would have gained millions of Euro through “hard” work!
Comment by EXTAN – February 12, 2008 @ 10:41 am
I mean, come on people, what did you expect? That some company(that nobody konows anything about) with a help of some investors(that nobody konows anything about), is helping you to get an pension insurance from a company(that nobody konows anything about) And magically it will turn your 50$ to 55000/110000$ in few months or so. It’s time for reality check: you don’t know who’s running the GPP “company”, you only know some finnish(which I doubt) woman called Stella, that’s all. You don’t know which company is providing the insurance, or who are these so-called trust partners. You don’t know where to send your personal info that you need for insurance, you don’t know which bank is providing the money, or to which bank GPP should pay your 55000$. So, your facts are pretty much close to zero. The only fact is that you’re out of 40$, which is not much. But multiply that with 100000(or who knows how many) people, and it’s already a decent amount of money for the scammers. It’s not easy to admit that you were scammed, but at least you can learn from it. Or you can stay positive and wait for the money to materialize. Just remember, there’s a difference between being optimistic, and being naive and stupid.
Comment by Rokka – February 12, 2008 @ 11:23 am
Guys there are acouple of other RPP’s that have reached target, I am interested to find out from those members if they have heard anything regarding the payments owed to them. The 2 that spring to mind are:
1 WPP Target 20′000 part1 (http://www.worldpensionplus.com/)has finished part 1 and is now promising a pay out, Part 2 will comence in 72 hours
2 LPP1 Target 2′000 Part1 (http://limited-fund-plan.com/)already started with there enrolement for plan2 Target 5′500 and plan 3 target ?
3 HCI has a very professional website with lots of info regarding there projects current, past and still pending.
Of all the sites I have looked at theirs would seem the most honest(if you could call it that).
They also have names, addresses, who, where, and when, also vacant positions available in the company, buy the sound of things this is not the first time that they are doing this pension stuff, above all advertise that they will refund you membership fee(less 7% admin) should the project not complete.
It makes you wonder were all of there previous projects successful. and did every get there pay outs.Just abit of food for thought!!
I am not a member, so…if there are any members registered with these RPP’s I have mentioned how about giving us a bit of input on your experiences and also what is the news under the member logins.
Comment by AB – February 12, 2008 @ 12:42 pm
Roccas letter seems to be inconclusive, he rightly remarked on the zero info we have on GPP, but then he said we should be optimistic about it, they are going to pay out (I hope too!!). You know it’s not about to admit to have been scammed, I once had another scheme which was worked out so well (should have worked for all), but most humans are not really ready to take part so that everyone can win, downright stupid and very GREEDY, they can only mess it up! GPP should also work, but the advertised gains should have been more realistic, a gain of 154% over a short time seems to be too optimistic
Comment by EXTAN – February 12, 2008 @ 2:13 pm
Short term??? it’s been 3 years! I would say low investment!
Just a few more days until we are all rich
Comment by Busting Gut – February 12, 2008 @ 3:30 pm
The total of 100000 members was only reached late last year, so 154% in a few month sounds impossible, 3 years ago how many members were there, just a few, so please check your sums
.Anyway enjoy it!
Comment by EXTAN – February 12, 2008 @ 4:22 pm
Hello everyone, i will have conference call today with ppl from banking solution. Will keep you in touch…So keep reading Busting Goat’ stupidities (endouille) meanwhile, that will keep you positive or at least, make you laught…lol
[Edit by Ben: Readers would be well advised to ignore this BS by "Stella" - the IP address of this poster resolves to: COGECO Cable Canada Inc. i.e. somebody using an ISP in Canada...]
Comment by Stella – February 12, 2008 @ 7:44 pm
Say if you were member 1 or 2… It’s been a long time coming, a long time indeed..
the 100000 people thing is all a part for the marketing ploy, it creats the urgency to join.
personally I think the magic number was reached a long time ago, if they where even counting along the way.
Another thing that makes me say hhmmmm… why not just take all the info that they need when you first sign up??? It’s not like they did have a up and running web site. The partial account info is there anyways
Stelliar what do you have to say to that?
Comment by Busting Gut – February 12, 2008 @ 7:45 pm
EXTAN, point well taken. We should not in effect provide information to these clowns. We will have to join together after this scam has finally come to an end. This truly gets my goat, so to speak…
Downhomeguy, I understand your pain, especially from your fathers standpoint. A friend of mine also established a long line of people to join in this scam. A painful lesson indeed.
Everyone, as was said earlier, it’s not so much the money (in some cases), but the expectations, the dreams, the hopes of those who have participated which is the worst part of this crime.
Rokka, indeed we did all fall into this decision to disregard the “if it’s too good, it probably is” saying. I’ll tell you, I wanted to believe, but upon further thought, investigation, realized that such a program was not possible. For goodness sake, why would anyone who has a child… hopeing to go to college, pay all of this money for a 529 or any educatn based program, when something like this could pay for not only college, but a car and perhaps even a place to stay/live.
I only wish that I knew of this blog earlier. In fact, for others sake, I wish that I knew of this plan. Indeed I found that this had to be a scam, and would have shared this with my fellow man. Of course I figured this after the dollars were gone (which was quite recently)(another victim of a down line).
It angers me that people have been waiting for 3 yrs or so. How unfair to play on others hopes for so long…
AB, I hope not to sound insulting , but wouldn’t you agree that this is also a scam? A new one in fact? I must say that I am impressed by how much info is out there on this site. An amazing amount. EVERYONE, this is most assuredly a new scam! This made possible by good web designers. I will not say how I can see that this is a scam… but sadly, it is. Tell you what, why don’t they let me borrow this 50 bucks and then pay them back after I get my 80 thousand… Hmmm now for another scam to dismantle. Anyone have any ideas on how I might be able to prevent people from falling prey to yet another of these scams?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – February 13, 2008 @ 3:50 am
My goodness! This scam is all over the place! Meaning, this can be found everywhere under this domain! This is outrageous! I even see this listed under SEVERAL other domains! These clowns are making so much money… Looks like the dollars have not been made yet, but they are on a mission!
Looks like a prime candidate for me to get the word out on. They have flooded the internet w/ many who are telling how good the site is, using certain types of email addresses, and other suspicious activities. Unless this can be proven to me, I’m going to take steps to shut this plan down!
I invite someone to tell me otherwise before I waste my time running after these clown’s efforts. Seems like they have spent a lot of money. I hope, I really do hope that this can be proven to be something real… HA! I’ll do further resarch. If I don’t get a phone number, it’s all over with. I’ll let the internet, yes the internet know that this is a scam. I know how to get a word out, I know how to get the word on it, and I know that there is someone out there who can do a better job than I can! I envite you all to look at this upcoming scam!!!
Thoughts?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – February 13, 2008 @ 4:26 am
I’m sorry, I just have to say just one more time that this is just rediculous! Though I grow tired of these scams, I just cannot let another one begin without getting the word out! This is another of “Stella’s” upcoming scams! Just wait till I litter the web with info on this scam!!
Truly, I invite you all to review this. No phone number I’ll bet no one can find! Give us a national address to send cash to. Why not allow for a bank, a real bank to handle these money transfers. Let my banks send my money to… Yes I have lots of money to send to your new program! It’s sitting in my bank just wasiting to be sent. I’ll bet that you won’t provide us with that info.
So, Stell, what do you think about that?
I’m going to be so all over this nonsense. Oh, don’t think that I dont know of your other scams being pulled at the moment. Oh I’m so on it!
Everyone, once again, I’d like you all to see the similarities between the two…
I can’t stand this!!! Stella, prove me wrong. Give up the $ to these good people…
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – February 13, 2008 @ 5:01 am
This GPP is surely a big scam, website too long off, taking us for a ride,they would be well advised to stick to their promised plan, there is no place to hide, somebody would smoke them out!
Comment by EXTAN – February 13, 2008 @ 6:23 am
Extan, you didn’t get my point, probably. I meant that you can learn from this, and avoid other scams in the future. Or, just be optimistic and wait for the payout(which will not happen). If I was a participant in this, I’d be very careful not to send any personal documents there, and limit the personal damage to 40-50$. One might argue that, they have no use for those documents, and they can’t be used for identity theft, but I think it’s a real risk. After all, they managed to scam ~100000 people, so it shows their skills as con-artists…
Comment by Rokka – February 13, 2008 @ 6:32 am
Dear Stella, we live here in lovely Cape Town, why not hide in our home, you are welcome, lots of things to do, hiking in the mountains, going to numerous lovely beaches, a variety of shopping centres, you name it. Please leave your money outside and give us a debit card so we can also take part in your windfall
Comment by EXTAN – February 13, 2008 @ 6:50 am
i’ve got gpp back on my pc, no new news from stella, money grew a bit, whatever that means, our hearts are jumping a bit!
Comment by EXTAN – February 13, 2008 @ 9:47 am
tried again to get into GPP no ways, maybe certain numbers do the trick, lousy system!
Comment by EXTAN – February 13, 2008 @ 11:04 am
So when March 1st rolls around, (though I expect there will be “month-to-month” delay tactics; should we all stand on a hillside awaiting the landing of the Mothership and watch in wonder as STELLA appears? We could recognize her, she’ll be the one standing next to Santa Clause
Comment by downhomeguy – February 13, 2008 @ 2:09 pm
Hello everyone, this is inspector Cluso from the internet fraud investigation Unit. I am pleased to inform you all that the person who call herself “Stella” is in custdy under suspicion of criminal internet activity. All of the money taken from you, good citizens around the world, will be refunded to your accounts. In order for our administration to do this job I must kindly request everyone to make a small payment of 1$ so this operation could be finished as soon as posible.. Payment instructions will be reveled soon.
Stay tuned!!!
Comment by chief inspector Cluso – February 13, 2008 @ 10:29 pm
This sure is amusing reading guys, If the GPP ever comes back on line I cant wait for the exciting news it will have.!!!Lol
Comment by SM – February 14, 2008 @ 1:56 am
When we file to get our “refunds,can we please check off to donate a portion of the refund to the G.P.P. charity?
Comment by downhomeguy – February 14, 2008 @ 2:22 am
Feb 15th and the dollars should begin to flow huh? Sure they will… Next step.. March 15th. Maybe they’ll need more time to dissiminate the money, and so on, and so on…
This is so bad that I must reiterate. This Stella, is running worldpensionplus.com!!! Look at who the bank is…. Again! They must really think that we are STUPID! Again, this is the exact same scam! Brand new target dates! Yes… a fresh new scam, waiting on somefresh new money!
Outrageous!
Everyone please note #308. All roads lead to a fabulous SCAM! Too bad these efforts could not be towards a good cause. I must again say, NO ADDRESS, NO PHONE NUMBER, NO WEBSITE PROVIDING ANY INFORMATION OF VALUE!!!
I need info on how I may provide others to review these plans a bit closer before providing these people with your hard earned dollars!
Goodness, I could surely do better doing something else… In fact I need to be. I just cannot stand to have my fellow man get scammed. Now to attempt to scam others with yet another scam!?!
It is really to bad that these parties cannot be prosecuted. I suppose that this is the benefit of having an overseas scam. The U.S. cannot get to them… At least not yet.
Stella and Co., enjoy your spoils while you can. I’ll be watching and as for the two addional scams that youve begun…. especially the worldpensionplus… This is most assuredly a copy cat scam of GPP!!!
Everyone, again it is not a matter of my lost $80 or so. It’s the continued stealing of peiples money! It saddens and angers me.
It is so amazing at how many of these scams are out there. Quite a few being operated by this Stella entity.
SM, I must laugh along with you! This expected good news will probably disapear, as fast as our money. I had a good analogy of website updating… This is one even better. Take into consideration people who moderate blogs! They are on the ball with the moderation and updating of their site/info.
Makes me say not hmmmmm, but Scammmm.
Yes, much too long of a post, but I am to the best of my abiity, at least here, trying to prevent more loss of money.
Help me in this quest!
Stella - Please provide a counter… That is unless you’ve broken camp!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – February 14, 2008 @ 3:59 am
It must have been pure luck to have come on the GPP website, because no luck again, but it is quite sure that Stella and Co. have abondoned that website, no more postings etc. Probably now trying her luck with worldpension plan, what a ruthless shame!!!!
Comment by extan – February 14, 2008 @ 8:07 am
Who gets that feeling in their gut that they aren’t coming back! Sure hope I’m wrong. Still no website at all.
Why did they give us all those extra Turing codes for anyway?
I have so many questions and no one to ask them to. Like UM, for instance(The people running the business, AKA Stella))
Is anyone out there a big upline for a mass amount of people. If so than lets here what you think.
Please tell me that none of you BIG uplines even if you still have faith are In any way Recommending This Any More To Anyone. If so than you are just as bad as Stella and The Trust partners or whom ever they bloom en are.
After so many stall tactics they have done now You couldn’t possibly SIGN A NEW MEMBER.
Not that you could now with no site anyway… I’m Very passionate about this point. Its not just a matter of STOP buying but STOP selling.
Comment by SM – February 14, 2008 @ 8:52 am
hi everyone, try this to get onto GPP:
1. for best results clear your explorers (select tools/internet options)history, cookies (my privacy selection is on “medium”) and clear your temporary files.
2. To bypass the initial code, type in http://www.globalpp.net/login.php or http://www.globalpp.net/members/index.php … you should get into the login page, fill in your stuff, be patient they may tell you that your turing code is wrong, just try again :-).
I’ve tried this on 2 different computers at my work, 2 different usernames, a few times and it always works, but my girlfriend at home tried on 2 computers but no luck?? Anyway, there is nothing new on GPP, STELLA and NEVERLAND must be jet-setting around the world with our money, so no new entries in the forum, please inform your downlines about this mess.
Comment by extan – February 14, 2008 @ 12:25 pm
This is crazy. Ive done all that and still nothing. Web page has expired. Don’t why Its all so hard. You were obviously lucky extan. Will keep trying tomorrow. Its bed time here, down under. Ill keep my eye out for Stella she may visit…Lol !!!!!!
Comment by SM – February 14, 2008 @ 1:11 pm
Official GPP site is updating security proxy…. exists much problems, but is online.
For access (with patience) probe this link:
http://www.globalpp.net
Wait to see “turing code” image (minutes).
Suggestion: for me, the best option for access use “Opera” browser. http://www.opera.com
regards
euken..-
(posted to me today by euken, admin of the unofficial gpp web site)
Comment by chief inspector Cluso – February 14, 2008 @ 1:26 pm
hi SM, I rebooted my PC and cleared all info, then tried again, but I first got nothing, then tried the login but got the first turing page and after the 2nd (number) try got through to the login page etc. At my home also no luck, don’t know why, maybe GPP already got onto my “diverging” method and re-programmed to close the loophole
But surely, their website is so “closed up” everything is secret, that surely oozes scamming stuff, it would be a wonder if they come back, probably now trying worldpension en other scams.
Comment by extan – February 14, 2008 @ 2:14 pm
What is STELLA last name? a friend of mine was introduced to company
called Global Pension Insurance run by a Ben Seigler? you pay Initial contract: $55.10 Additional Contracts @$40.00 each
Comment by Penny – February 14, 2008 @ 6:29 pm
We don’t know her last name Penny, but if you read 241 she denies being Ben Steigler.
Comment by SM – February 15, 2008 @ 12:20 am
I just went into the website and the forum and nothing have changed.
I took me quite a bit to get in.
Comment by baba – February 15, 2008 @ 3:06 am
Extan, I feel your frustration. Why the H*** should we have to dig around in some crappy site? Guess this clown can’t run it after all! To have such problems with any site holding large funds is totally unacceptable!
Yes, Stella, I’ll bet that you would suggest that this Ben Seigler is not related. Why don’t you tell us that it is not worth looking into. Better yet, why dont you tell us of another option… Yes, tell us of something other than his plan is a good one. I’ll bet that you won’t.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – February 15, 2008 @ 3:19 am
Hi Everyone,
If you visit http://teamthemco.wordpress.com/ you will find most of Stella’s postings on GPP forum quoted here.
There is a warning from Stella about Ben Siegler and that he is posing as GPP.
Happy reading.
JL
Comment by Jes – February 15, 2008 @ 5:37 am
Ben Seigler is just running a scam (GPIT) on top of another scam (GPP), so you’ll get twice as much nothing for any money you put in.
Comment by JH – February 15, 2008 @ 6:16 am
Yes, your friend Ben should get a Global Foot in his rear!
Comment by MikeCheck – February 15, 2008 @ 7:53 am
Mike, I’m not frustrated, my girl would only loose 5M+ Euro and I could have stopped working, getting a lazy chair and relaxing on the Cote de Azur :-).
It appears it is easier to get onto the useless Gpp site on a “fresh” PC, i.e. never before connected to GPP, they store info somewhere which you probably cannot delete, must be good hackers, sometimes delete whatever you can (cookies etc.)and reboot! Pity there are so few people writing on this forum, one could get better organised, etc. Maybe someone has contacts to Interpol and it would be easy to trace Stella and Co., the company that wrote their website is advertised on their website so Interpol could squeeze info out of that company, etc., many ways to kill a cat!
Comment by extan – February 15, 2008 @ 8:54 am
“When we file to get our “refunds,can we please check off to donate a portion of the refund to the G.P.P. charity?”
Comment by downhomeguy
This just cracked me up. I think you already gave your money to charity, all 40$. I think “stella” is happy for the charity you people provided. Let me just, say for the sake of argument, that this kind of reverse pension plan would be possible, then what makes you think that scammers behind GPP wouldn’t keep all the money for themselves. After all, we’re talking about billions of dollars.
My guess is that there will be delays again with “banking solution”, then you might have to provide some additional cash for expences regarding money transfer. Saddest part is, there’s going to be suckers who fall for this crap. Mark my words…
Comment by Rokka – February 15, 2008 @ 9:27 am
Stella’s Name.
Allegedly, this is Stella Pohjola and, once again allegedly, she is from Finland.
Comment by Owen Platt – February 15, 2008 @ 9:44 am
There is a major promoter of GPP who call themselves TeamTHEMCO, claiming to have enrolled some 2% of the membership. Trawling through their blog, I saw this from dear old Stella in May last year:
†The jurisdiction in which our co-operating insurance company is located doesn’t have these so called “insurance controllers†and the legislation
allows worldwide commerce of insurance policies.
The Trust Partner has done these deals with smaller, but still international clientele before and with this same licensed and registered insurance company without any problems from the Big Brother’s side.â€
So this licensed and registered insurance company exists in a place outside of the traditionally regulated jurisdictions.
Now that should give you all a warm and fuzzy feeling.
Comment by Owen Platt – February 15, 2008 @ 10:21 am
Obviously someone from GPP watches this site, because they closed the loophole on their website. If somebody is busy to beef up their website he must be a novice because it takes ages. It also appears that their site is overloaded with anxious clients, extremely slow and timing out! Stella Pohjola nowhere to hide!
Comment by extan – February 15, 2008 @ 11:58 am
Owen, this is just a plain shame. TeamTHEMCO huh? Stella, you’d better wach out for Team MikeCheck! Owen, this is the kind of info that we all need in order to prevent these scammers.
I’d take note at how little your girl, Stella posts on this site anymore. You are right, they are slaping things together for keeping us quiet while they establish that new scam. You know, you noted that they have that 2% already… Let’s let that be thier last % that they get!
GOT TO STOP THESE SCAMS! I’ll tell you, this frustration has just stuck to me like glue! I hate to see people get scamed! Yes, lottery tickets are taking a big chance, but…it is a chance., As said earlier, this is simply stealing!
If there is a msg board on this scam, I’ll be on it to bring that to as much of a halt as possible…
Stella, don’t be angry w/ me I’m only trying to bring your sham to an end!
Everyone, think back and try to remember how you originally got pulled in to the scam. Were you in a down line? If not, how did you find out about it? Let’s bust them down.
Once again however, as for those who have put in substancial monies, I trully do hope that you are able to reap some benefits, at least not be financially damaged. For the most part however, it the hopes and dreams that are stolen along w/ that $40.
Extan, what can we do to shut this down?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – February 15, 2008 @ 3:09 pm
Hey gang don`t worry the check is in the mail!
Comment by Busting Gut – February 15, 2008 @ 7:45 pm
http://futureplanning.wordpress.com/ and Team Temco are one and the same, secret postings and no comments allowed, just imagine some freak still organises foundations for 140 persons in the belief that GPP will pay out, they know that GPP is off for extended time and no explanation was done to that effect by GPP about their “new” plans, utterly unprofessional and team temco says we should not bother them with that because they are so busy organising foundations for which most probably (from GPP’s recent behaviour)no money will be forthcoming!! I can only laugh
Thanks for this website, please take those scammers to court!
Comment by otto – February 15, 2008 @ 9:51 pm
it havent over but all of you just said is a scam…. so i guess should i also follow and say GPP is a scam?
Comment by Meck – February 16, 2008 @ 3:45 am
Hey I’m still lauching (maybe I should rather cry)GPP is still off and Futureplanning etc. is still doing this foundation stuff (regardless!)into empty money bags, I mean really F….UP!
Comment by otto – February 16, 2008 @ 8:47 am
I dunno about you guys, but I cant get anything but “We cannot display this page, and a list of reasons why”.
What the heck is going on. There was no warning of this being possible to occur in the future from the Gpp. Come back and fulfill your commitment!!!!!!!!!!
COME BACK and fulfill your commitments S–t H–ds.
I mean, Fair Dinkum this is a joke.
Im sure we all have in each country an A current affair show to DOB them into. Or a morning show any thing that we should all talk to and about. If they don’t pay up soon we should expose them to a bigger audience.
If there is nothing in the very near future, I’ll let you know when I’m on Today tonight and A current Affair here down under. Just go to (nine msn.com.au) Web page and I will tell them to post it there. T.V,! There is no bigger way to get it out there. Lets make a pact to do this.
If you all mean it than we take them down to never do this again. Every television program possible!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Its the karma they deserve if they don’t deliver. So we have all typed, Now lets talk and talk loud. We have the power NOT Stella.
Save others not only from the money in there pocket but as said above by Mike check their DREAMS. As that is the biggest thing that gets me. Lotto doesn’t promise you a thing only a chance. THEY promised us BIG TIME.
If you are with me than SAY SO, Cause with or with out you I’m gonna mate. Cough up or RUN RUN RUN and never get a chance again to do this EVER Again!!!!!!!! Sam Yes thats me Sammy! Why should I hide Hello From what Them Ha!
Comment by SM – February 16, 2008 @ 11:24 am
I’m from germany and in the last week i had problems to get their site just sometimes. but since the last three days its NOT a problem and i think it has nothing to do whith “use a virgin computer”, “conspiracy theorie” or anything was posted here…
and: i don’t understand all this sarcasm offered here.
we should all remember that there was just a tiny little chance to get a lot of money for being lazy and doing nothing.
so, come on, where is your pride??
biting around and crying because of what??
relax, don’t give them more money and accept your personal responsibility!
regards
Comment by Socke – February 16, 2008 @ 12:12 pm
Anyone know who is behind TeamTHEMCO?
Comment by Owen Platt – February 16, 2008 @ 2:39 pm
Hi SM, that’s how I like it, wish everyone would feel like that, then things will get moving, lots of passion to bring bad people to book!! Nobody should kill our DREAMS!
Hi Owen, I know who is behind THEMCO etc., that’s why I changed my name, but just hold on a bit maybe he can help us by some unknown reason, even though I think he has also now been taken for a ride by Stella and Co without knowing it, it is really like that, he put a lot of money into it, maybe not knowing them, and now this foundation stuff, I can see red faces very soon…trying to do good and then looking like a big A - hole!!
No new entry on the GPP website, pure luck to get in, but someone seems to fumbling on their website, making it more difficult, maybe on a very low budget
:-) The GPP support E-mail also seems to be off, a good indicator?!
Involving the media is a good plan, no place to hide, the modern world is small and many people need money so they will talk!
Comment by otto – February 16, 2008 @ 4:56 pm
Hey Otto, call me Samantha after the TV show Bewitched, I just met a Tabitha tonight. (first time eva)
I think that must be a sign, don’t you?????????!! Considering that I was nearly named after Tabitha.
Saved by the bell, I said to her and named SAMANTHA instead, And she said:
” Depends on which way you look at it”. “Be positive and say thanx I’m famous, or “I get that all the TIME”!!! I’ll take positive any day as would you, if we had something to bounce it off, would help!!
T.V is the go , It is a part of my sign.eg (Tabitha)
The other is look at this from a different perspective, and give it the Wings its asking for, and set the Dove free. See if it comes back.. SM
Comment by SM – February 16, 2008 @ 7:02 pm
Bloody hope Sooooooo! Or Im havin my fifteen minutes of fame.
And very soon.
Id rather a pay check from the GPP, to make up for the crappy husband that threw away mine and my kids future and all that I went without for. Love to say” Hey You don’t control me anymore”!!!!!
Hard work and going without shot to the sh-t by him. Don’t want It from Stella.
Comment by SM – February 16, 2008 @ 7:16 pm
Hi guys,
GPP’s website is online again, although a bit slow.
I got into my account and noticed that the amount was updated
and my referral downline grew a bit. So, they must have been
working on maintenance and updating at the same time.
No news on the forum as yet. I hope that by Monday
we will at least get an explanation of what’s going on behind
the scenes.
Keep your hopes up. No good will come from panic.
Take care.
JL
Comment by JL – February 16, 2008 @ 10:07 pm
Hallo SOCKE, kan nicht Deinen Brief verstehen, hast wohl nicht die letzte Woche mit GPP durchgemacht, ein profi Geschaeft macht seine Plane offenbar und versteckt sich nicht hinter den Kulissen, also wasch bitte Deinen Kopf, Du bist hinterm Mond!!
Yes. GPP is back, maybe read through this forum, last entries, have they got much choice to fight against commited fighters, they know well that if cought with dubious stuff we will see that they land in jail!
Enjoy next week, regardless
Comment by otto – February 17, 2008 @ 2:38 pm
you can use their mirrors sites to log on
like http://www.globalpensionplan.tk
but it’s real slow.
we are a few days past the payout, where are all the people that believed in this crap?? why have they stopped posting.
thats right SHUT UP
Comment by Busting Gut – February 17, 2008 @ 3:33 pm
Hope you R ok Busting Gut… Anyway, apparently this morning there was a new posting on forum/finalstep/questions and answers concerning “all payout will be paid into the bank solution which they now have” and then it was removed again????
I think someone told them correctly that they cannot change the last AGREEMENT that members can ALSO pay into our own bank accounts, trusts/foundations which we have opened specially for that money. So in effect there is nothing new on the GPP website, Feb 8 last entry.
They should be asamed of being so un-professional, that’s the bottom line, VERY CRUDE indeed!!!!
Comment by otto – February 17, 2008 @ 5:47 pm
Have you noted at how good ole’ Ben is trying to separate himelf from GPP?
It is amazing that this Ben character is so concerned about moving his name from the GPP. How wrong of us to associate him w/ GPP! I mean, he would not be able to START his NEXT scam with the negativity from the first!
Ben, I’m sure that there are many more on these Blogs that will attempt to shut your scamming down! I only want to find someone who can help in this shut down, or at least get the word out! Oh yes, Ben, while attempting to scam all of this money from everyone, why don’t you get yourself a better translator! The following are a few reasons why this too, is a GPP successor;
First, his english sucks, especially for a business man who is handling millions.
Second, this rambling of his sounds more like a man on the run, or someone trying to save his own SCAM!
Third, why don’t you provide us with an address, or phone number… Oh yea, it is because of security issues. Right!
Fourth, where is your domain email address? What’s the deal w/ the AOL account! CHEEZY!
Everyone, for your benefit, the following is what ole’ boy was saying about GPP and Ben’s Company.. It’s long, but you’ll see what I mean…
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HELLO, I HAVE LOST OVER $10MILLIONS IN COMMISSIONS SINCE THE ACTIVE BUTTON WAS PLACED IN THE BACKOFFICE I WAS NOT RECEIVING THE BONUSES OF $2000 EURO THROUGH OUT MY DOWNLINE WHICH WAS COMING IN ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.DOING THAT TIME FRAME UP TILL NOW. PLEASE ADDRESS THANKS ALSO I NOTICE THAT MY BACK OFFICE NOW SAYS CONTACT SUPPORT CAN’T LOG ON. HAVE THE HACKERS AND OTHER FOLKS WHO HAVE BEEN TRY TO SHUT DOWN GLOBAL STRUCK AGAIN? I MEAN PEOPLES HAVE REALLY BEEN ATTACKING ME SAYING THAT GLOBAL PENSION PLAN HAS BEEN A SCAM ON THE INTERNET SINCE 2005 AND NEVER PAID OUT AS THEY PROMISED PEOPLES AND THEY REPORTED GLOBAL PENSION PLAN TO FEDS AND OTHERS TO INVESTIGATE YOU’LL AS SCAMS ON THE INTERNET RIPPING PEOPLES OFF AND NOT PAYING OUT THE CONTRACTS AMOUNTS YOU STATES ON THE WEB- SITE. NOW NOTE THIS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I HAVE BEEN FIGHTING STANDING UP FOR GLOBAL PENSION PLAN FROM DAY ONE AND EVERY DAY UNTIL NOW.TELLING PEOPLES THIS IS REAL AND WILL PAY OFF WHEN CONTRACTS ARE SOLD,HOWEVER THEY SAY THAT PROMISE FROM GLOBAL PENSION PLAN HAS BEEN OUT THEIR FOR OVER A YEAR MAKING PROMISES TO PAY AND NEVER DID A SCAM. I STILL INSIST TO THEM EVEN WITH THE DOWN TIME ON GLOBAL PENSION PLAN WHEN NO ONE CAN BE PROCESSED GLOBAL IS REAL AND THEY ARE LEGIT AND PEOPLES WILL GET PAID GIVE EVERYTHING TIME TO BE PROCESSED, THAT YOU WILL PAY THEM AND US OFF. NOW I KNOW FROM MR. DIETER THAT THIS IS REAL AND GOOD AND SOLID PROGRAM AND ALL WILL BE WELL DESPITE OF ALL THE UPS AND DOWNS YOU ARE EXPENIENCING. THERE HAVE BEEN SOME BLAKELY BLUNT ATTACKS LAUNCH AT GLOBAL PENSION PLAN TO SHUT YOU DOWN, THERE ARE PEOPLES OUT THERE THAT FOR SURE DON’T WON’T THIS MONEY TO BE PAID OUT TO THE MEMBERS AND THEY ARE RIGHT NOW DOING AND SAYING EVERYTHING TO STOP IT FROM HAPPENING HOWEVER I TELL THE PEOPLES WE WILL FOR SURE GET PAID IN END OF FEB.2008 AS STATED IN FORUM.
20 ben seigler PLEASE NOTE THIS HOW CAN SOMEONE SIGNUP UP ANY BODY WHEN THE SITE IS DOWN ALL THE TIME. AND I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET PEOPLES SIGNED UP. PAYMENT PROCESSORS NOT WORKING, I ASK FOR STELLA TO ASSIST ME AND SIGNING THEM UP,HOWEVER TO BUSY I HAVE SENT IN REQUESTS TO HELP AND FIX THE PAYMENT PROCESSORS TO SIGNUP PEOPLES, SO HOW CAN SOMEONE SIGN UP PEOPLES, AND ANOTHER NOTE: NOW ON FEES, E-BULLUION WAS FIRST USED THEN SWITCH TO LIBERTY AND C-GOLD WHICH YOU MUST PAY A HEALTHY MONEY EXCHANGE AND WIRE TRANSFER FEE TO CONVERT THE USD TO EUROS. WHICH MAKES THE CONTRACT PRICE OF $44.10 COSTS MUCH MORE, SO NOW IT TAKES MORE MONEY TO PURCHASED THE CONTRACTS, SO A ADDITIONAL FEE HAVE TO BE CHARGE TO COVER COSTS OF THAT, NOW HOW IS THAT DOING WRONG? NOW AS THE WEB-SITE AND HACKERS HAVE KEPT THE SITE DOWN FOR MOST TIMES WITH PROCESSORS CHANGING AND NOW BEN SEIGLER GETS THE BLAME FOR NOT PROCESSING PEOPLES /I SAY THE DEFEATED DEVIL IS A LIAR AND WON’T WIN THIS WAR AGAINST A SOLDIER OF THE I AM THE LORD WHO HELPED HIM. I DEMAND THAT YOU TAKE MY NAME OUT OF THIS PETITION OF FALSELY ACCUSING ME NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SAYS THE LORD. READ PSALMS 47 IN THE HOLY BIBLE.WITH SPIRITUAL EYES AND DO UNDERSTAND IT. I ASK KINDLY FOR STELLA AND MANAGEMENT AS THEY MAY BE ONE, TO ASSIST ME IN GETTING THE PEOPLES I HAVE SIGNED UP ASAP.AND LETS MOVE ON SEE MY E-MAIL BELOW TO CONTACT ME AND WORK THIS OUT AND SETTLE IT, BECAUSE FALSE STATEMENTS ARE MADE AGAINST ME. AS THEY HAVE BEEN MADE AGAINST GLOBAL PENSION PLAN SINCE 2005 MY E-MAIL:cashflonow101@aol.com ALSO HAVE THE HACKERS AND OTHER FOLKS WHO HAVE BEEN TRY TO SHUT DOWN GLOBAL STRUCK AGAIN? I MEAN PEOPLES HAVE REALLY BEEN ATTACKING ME SAYING THAT GLOBAL PENSION PLAN HAS BEEN A SCAM ON THE INTERNET SINCE 2005 AND NEVER PAID OUT AS THEY PROMISED PEOPLES AND THEY REPORTED GLOBAL PENSION PLAN TO FEDS AND OTHERS TO INVESTIGATE YOU’LL AS SCAMS ON THE INTERNET RIPPING PEOPLES OFF AND NOT PAYING OUT THE CONTRACTS AMOUNTS YOU STATES ON THE WEB- SITE. NOW NOTE THIS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I HAVE BEEN FIGHTING STANDING UP FOR GLOBAL PENSION PLAN FROM DAY ONE AND EVERY DAY UNTIL NOW.TELLING PEOPLES THIS IS REAL AND WILL PAY OFF WHEN CONTRACTS ARE SOLD,HOWEVER THEY SAY THAT PROMISE FROM GLOBAL PENSION PLAN HAS BEEN OUT THEIR FOR OVER A YEAR MAKING PROMISES TO PAY AND NEVER DID A SCAM. I STILL INSIST TO THEM EVEN WITH THE DOWN TIME ON GLOBAL PENSION PLAN WHEN NO ONE CAN BE PROCESSED GLOBAL IS REAL AND THEY ARE LEGIT AND PEOPLES WILL GET PAID GIVE EVERYTHING TIME TO BE PROCESSED, THAT YOU WILL PAY THEM AND US OFF. NOW I KNOW FROM MR. DIETER THAT THIS IS REAL AND GOOD AND SOLID PROGRAM AND ALL WILL BE WELL DESPITE OF ALL THE UPS AND DOWNS YOU ARE EXPENIENCING. THERE HAVE BEEN SOME BLAKELY BLUNT ATTACKS LAUNCH AT GLOBAL PENSION PLAN TO SHUT YOU DOWN, THERE ARE PEOPLES OUT THERE THAT FOR SURE DON’T WON’T THIS MONEY TO BE PAID OUT TO THE MEMBERS AND THEY ARE RIGHT NOW DOING AND SAYING EVERYTHING TO STOP IT FROM HAPPENING HOWEVER I TELL THE PEOPLES WE WILL FOR SURE GET PAID IN END OF FEB.2008 AS STATED IN FORUM.
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Let’s bust down this scam before it begins good. I’d like to make this effort gone into this scam a waste of their time and money!
Mike Check
Comment by MikeCheck – February 17, 2008 @ 10:14 pm
MikeCheck - See posts #118 and #157 above.
Seigler has no domain as far as I know. He works mainly through teleconferences that were held on a regular basis and by mail to receive payments.
In addition to the local agencies listed in #157 above, which also have web sites to file complaints by email or form, since he’s used mail and postal money orders, that puts it within the jurisdiction domain of US Postal Inspectors and likely the US FBI also.
Postal Inspection Service complaint form and contact pages are here:
http://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/forms/MailFraudComplaint.aspx
http://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/contactUs/phoneus.aspx
FBI’s Norfolk VA Field office contact page is here:
http://norfolk.fbi.gov/contactus.htm
Comment by JH – February 18, 2008 @ 3:55 am
You ever notice crooks always like to quote THE BIBLE….LOL
What can I you or anyone say to stop the payout???
What a load of crap… GPP is sloppy and they will get caught
Comment by Busting Gut – February 18, 2008 @ 5:02 am
Why would you want to stop a payout “IF” it were to happen?????
Almost sounds like that’s what you folks would try to do “IF” payouts were to happen. Not saying I think they will. Question: What would you all do “IF” they started to make payouts? Just asking for your thoughts. Thanks.
Comment by Busterblues – February 18, 2008 @ 6:30 am
Hi busting Gut, logged into the mirror Site and got the home page, but nothing when I logged in. Just a dead end. No web page can be displayed.
If you guys can get in, post in here what it says in the forum cause I wouldn’t have a clue. I can then tell my Western Aussie mates that are down line, with no Internet on. I do need to relay something cobba!! Cheers Sammy!
Comment by SM – February 18, 2008 @ 7:41 am
Hi Sammy,
Try this link: http://www.globalpp.net/login.php
I now get in every time I log in.
Nothing new on the forum though.
Hope you are successful.
Take care,
JL
Comment by JL – February 18, 2008 @ 8:17 am
No luck JL, don’t no why, Ive tried them all. I did click the Active button for my self and my down line so that cant be why, I guess I will just keep in touch on here.
Keep the feeds coming. Cheers for your input mate. Sammy!
Comment by SM – February 18, 2008 @ 8:35 am
hy Sammy,
Hi Sammy, JL is my girlfriend, lucky me! Now that it’s easy to get onto GPP we just hope that we hear from S+N, else no use!
Comment by extan – February 18, 2008 @ 8:55 am
I found this on GPP posted 9h55 today 18 Feb., first input since 6 Feb., don’t know how we could send our ID copies etc. ANYWAY as long as they do not provide us with a forwarding address? Will they really come out of the secret bunker?
info for those that do not have access to GPP
take care!
Dear Members,
We are preparing a more complete update for you concerning the Banking Solution. This will come out hopefully later this week!
Please don’t email or mail us the Agreements and the ID copies yet! We don’t want or need them before the Banking Solution is ready!
Thank you!
Regards,
Stella
Comment by extan – February 18, 2008 @ 11:41 am
Thanx guys, appreciate that. Will keep trying as always.
Yeah, I think anyone who thinks lucky me with another is already lucky……! Big Cheers! Sammy.
Comment by SM – February 18, 2008 @ 1:09 pm
Hi Sammi, I know you are going through a bad patch, don’t worry, try the datingbuzz iafrica or down yonder thats where I found my love, life gets so beautiful when you find the right one, it can be done, just be patient, lets see whether Stella and Co. can beef up our life, wish they would know our dreams
Comment by extan – February 18, 2008 @ 1:16 pm
Yeah, me too extan! Going to meditate on that one tonite, Stella and Partners hear our DREAMS, and that of my kids who are hoping along with me. Would love to give my kids, that share a bedroom for three, at least one bedroom each.
I took them dream building on this one. They are my love for now and even though I don’t hold a great emphasis on money It helps.
I don’t even hold that many policies but enough to give them a home one day.
All the best extan and JH keep dreaming and believing. Your kindness helps a lot, more than you could ever know. Sammy!
Comment by SM – February 18, 2008 @ 1:36 pm
Sorry I mean JL. Too many J’s here LOl. Silly Sam
Comment by SM – February 18, 2008 @ 1:37 pm
Hi All,
Here is the latest post in the GPP website forum.
“Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 12:57 pm Post subject:
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Birth certificate will be accepted from the members of any age who don’t have any other form of ID.”
Be positive. We might as well get wealthy!
Anras
Comment by andras – February 18, 2008 @ 3:04 pm
JL, excellent work! I also saw this site stating that this virtual bank was a F rated money pit!
These scammers must have spent a good amount of time establishing all of these sites and such.
As I said earlier, if they worked on something valid (something of use), they may have done well.
I suppose that there is nothing like free easy money huh?
Nonetheless, that was great info on tracking this back to this clown. Money orders huh? This just might get this clown!
How much do you want to bet that he will no longer accept money orders. I dare say that he will not be in that house within the next 15 days or so. Hope that you are stuck in a lease! Then again, since your character is at question, you’d probably judt leave anyway…
Everyone dig this! Ole girl has to move the site due to “hackers” What a D’d sorry excuse! This is nothing more than an attempt to elude us or gather more people to their scam… The following is what I saw from another site…
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She mentioned the new url for GPP as http://www.globalpp.net/login.php
or for your referral link: http://www.globalpp.net/?id=username
She also pointed out that the name had to be changed to globalpp because of more mischief by the group of bad guys who have been responsible for other attacks on GPP.
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You tell me… Right or wrong? I think, no, I know that any reputable company could and would patch a hole instead of establishing a new domain! A DOMAIN IS THE COMPANIES SPACE/IDENTIFICATION ON THE WEB!
You expect Starbucks.com to change thier name to placewherewesellcoffee.com? H@ll NO!
SCAM, SCAM, SCAM, SCAM!!!
Stella, tell me why this was done?
Everyone, join me and watch her elude this question again!
I DARE YOU to answer this question!
As for you supporters, I dare say that you’d like to know this information too…
Again, supporters , do you want to know this? I’ll ask again, and call someone out, if no answer. I already suspect someone already as working with/as Stella.
Let’s all wait for this one!!!
MikeCheck
Yes, stella, Ben and Co., still having those website issues? I guess that this is what you get when you jump around on free servers.
Comment by MikeCheck – February 18, 2008 @ 6:22 pm
Actually I did not mean to add this about free servers. I meant to say something about the fact that you KEEP ON SEEING this company jump from one server to another!!!
I don’t know about you, but I have NEVER seen such a thing! NEVER!!!!
Stella youwant to address his too? Maybe the boogey man is still hacking your sites?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – February 18, 2008 @ 6:29 pm
I find it amazing that GPP’s site is so hacked. It appears that they have more attacks on them than the U.S. Department of Defense has received from the best terrorist organizations. Perhaps I am a bit naive in this matter, but does it not seem rather strange that this site is down so often, and denying access to so many? Is GPP’s server a subroutine in a cellphone program? Perhaps they should take the server out of the trunk of the car and place it in a nice stable building. Just a suggestion:)
Comment by downhomeguy – February 18, 2008 @ 6:40 pm
This is pretty sad. I have a family member that has not only invested thousands into this scam, he is really counting on it paying off and will be devastated when it doesn’t. He has purchased these “memberships” for many friends and family not to mention the money used to purchase the ATM cards that will be needed when the big payoff happens.
Now, they are all being asked for color copies of their photo ID’s. Who knows the number of stolen identities that will come from that alone. They say that they are not asking for social security numbers. I am not sure, but aren’t there ways for crooks to track that down once they have your ID?
I have a couple of questions about this. Global says they need 100,000 “memberships”. I wonder how many hundreds of thousands of “memberships” they have already scammed people out of. I am sure they reached their victim goal long ago. Their delay tactic after another will continue until people stop buying into this, or until they finally get caught.
My second question is why are these called “memberships”? Is it because there is not as much recourse or fraud liability against the scammer once they are caught, if ever? The global people really stress that this is not an investment.
The postings on Global’s web site from Stella that are copied and pasted in many entries above are only ploys to try to influence people into continuing. They are nothing more than fake entries to keep the false hopes going so that more money can be scammed.
I also hate it when someone misquotes biblical scripture to manipulate.
Comment by LD – February 18, 2008 @ 7:56 pm
I’m SHOCKED that GPP is still “alive”. I was under the impression that they would’ve disappeared some time ago as they have obviously made several million Euros so far. And paid out exactly nothing…
Remember what they said on the site:
“Global Pension Plan offers no guarantee of any kind. Risk is an integral part of any financial transaction… Global Pension Plan will make every effort to reduce the probability of loss but payment of Compensation and Loyalty Program Rewards are on a best efforts basis…â€
and in the ‘Disclaimer’ section…
“The details contained herein are for informational purposes only, are subject to possible error, change, and/or amendment, and are provided specifically as a courtesy at the request of the recipientâ€
There’s no money coming I’m afraid ladies and gentlemen. Please don’t send “Stella” any more fees for membership.
Comment by Ben – February 18, 2008 @ 11:30 pm
Downhomeguy, you are notnaive at all! Indeed it is strange, no, pitiful that this site stays down so much.
As I mentioned earlier, the mom & pop’s pizza store site has never been down! To truly put this in perspective, how many valid websites have you seen down? If you have seen one, I’ll bet you that you only saw such a problem once!
This is so very Triffling!!!
Stella & Co. - You all are doing good running around on server to server, mixing up info between each of your identities and so on. A very sad situation.
Stella, again, I invite you to review # 360. What’s up with that?
# 361 & 374 provide a comment on that! If you cannot read the previous posts, I’ll reiterate those questions again for everyones benefit. Hmmm.. maybe I should provide a compilation of questions that you continue to not answer.
Oh, maybe you are working on the banking solution….
People, please note, as I stated earlier, more time is again needed for this solution! Goodness, I could have bet good money on the fact that this would happen!
Stella, now what is the deal?
Even again, let’s see if she, I mean he, I mean they, have enough fortitude to answer!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – February 18, 2008 @ 11:39 pm
Well, as I once posted, my father had purchased a bunch of these “memberships.” But I continue to refuse to send the color-copied ID’s. Twice I have been the victim of identity theft and it takes a long time to get it corrected. I fear that many will be sending these copied documents only to find that they are being used to open accounts and obtain credit for those who have been manipulating this “program.”
Comment by downhomeguy – February 19, 2008 @ 1:13 am
Hello for every one here!I was readyn today your forum,i have to say that it is very’dramatic’,i understand why,also here i have so many questions and i wonder why it is imposible to get an answer about any thing.I wonder if anybody know what about those people who have 2 nationalites,what they can do?what copy they have to use, if that can be from another id from other country,even if that is not the one where they live?.I hope that every body here get payed,sure isn’t normal all that silence!..what ever,do you know a better way to get your children quite,nice and cooperative with you?I call it comunication,that’s all!peace,when you don’t get wrong things and every body can get the answers.All you have a nice week and cheers!…sorry about all the bad ortografy falts,i try next time better.
Comment by Salt – February 19, 2008 @ 1:46 am
Good for you Downhomeguy. I truly do not recommend that anyone send this information! ID theft is really a terrible thing. I too am a victim, but I’m sure that what I’m going through is nothing in comparison to the financial losses that could be had from these clowns!
The person who’s downline that I’m in may have done this already. I sure hope that he has not done so. I always say, why give this information up to someone who won’t give you theirs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Everyone, please take Downhomeguy’s lead. You’d be paying these clowns 40 bucks to ruin your financial future! I’d bet that those who have provided this info would find that they’ll have a couple of new credit cards that will be maxed out, and maxed out FAST!
Might I suggest, that if you have provided this information, that you from now on have a credit service placed on your credit. A sad thing, but it will probably be necessary for several years… Possibly forever! The credit check will get in touch with you and ask if a credit card or request for credit is something that you authorized! This is too much trouble to go throug for this scam!
Funny that they would be able to do this from Africa, France, Finland or wherever(s), they are.
I’m not going to say buyer beware. I’m going to say, buyer heed my warning! I mean are you going to give up your most important information to someone you don’t know, have never seen, have no address that can be verified, who’s website cannot stay up, who’s server continually changes, who continues to change pay dates, who has no idea of who or where the baking solution is (What is that anyway), who cannot provide an answer to anyone without providing some elusive answer??
I saw on Dateline where internet scammers laugh at gullible Americans. In this case it looks like they have gotten to several countries.
Before any of this information is sent, please demand that they provide some kind of information to you!!! After all, this crap about keeping quiet is a pile of CRAP! Why should this be quiet? What is happening that is so important that we must keep this hush hush. For goodness sake, this is “supposedly” overseas transactions. Sounds like the only thing goin on here is preventing US prosecution!
What do you think of that Stella’s.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – February 19, 2008 @ 2:33 am
MikeCheck, do you think you are wonderful??
Some of your lines, if condensed are ok, but please get to the point, stop the negative crap, writing endless letters that nobody reads, it will achieve nothing.
It seems now that Stella has re-appeared after a week of silence you and a few other guys object like crazy! LD what is your problem, I suppose it’s in the head? You do not seem to understand how things work, this forum is superb to work at things until they hopefully work, but only if we keep to the point and try to achieve a POSITIVE outcome, rather than to damage it!! Rather keep that ugly mush to yourself or tell it to your granny!
Well, about GPP they now have to jump over the last obstacle, i.e to come a bit out of hiding, maybe the quickest way would be to include space in our profiles to enter the ID numbers, account numbers, etc. they don’t get the pin number so no problem?
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Comment by Koychi – February 19, 2008 @ 9:04 am
thanks Koychi
Comment by sleuth2008 – February 19, 2008 @ 9:52 am
Hey Otto!
Of course I HAVE been gone through the last weekSSS(!) whith GPP but I did’nt have had the trouble you had obviously. So there is no need to snap at me.
And sorry, but: “Ein Profi-Geschäft” ?!?
Otto that’s ridiculous and absurd.
All these promises at their site - the whole design and the profitrate didn’t raise any doubts at all??
So, please, you are not a little Otto, you are accountable for your “investments”.
And think about your tone.
Being kind to others should be possible, even though you are disappointed and desperate.
Comment by Socke – February 19, 2008 @ 11:15 am
well SOCKE I have also worked in Germany at DESY in Hamburg, usually associalted with Prof’s or Dr’s. Nuclear research etc. clever guys, I think you should rather fit on your socks, because you would not fit in there, Otto von Bismark was completely right, I agree fully with him!!! Would you regard GPP as professional? Maybe we can help them!
Comment by sleuth2008 – February 19, 2008 @ 11:31 am
well sleuth
just relax like me drinking good black german coffee and having one or two pieces of excellent homemade cake.
Life could be so easy and happiness doesn’t depend on huge sums of GPP-money
Hope that Otto will adopt some german habits…
Comment by Socke – February 19, 2008 @ 11:47 am
can somebody explain what meens exactly the postings from koychi?
Comment by monica – February 19, 2008 @ 12:36 pm
well of course today is payday-not! 19th of Feb and still no news about anything (just logged on- don’t seem to have had the same issues that everyone else has in login on). I can’t say I am surprised that this is till on going as I am sure nothing further will happen until the sign ups stop and then they will issue something like- “due to the lack of people committed to the program it has been unable to payout.” As there is a no refund once you are signed on to the program they ligitimately walk away with the sign up money.
Wish it was otherwise but- scam scam scam scam!
Comment by Goosey – February 19, 2008 @ 12:58 pm
I think Koychi tried to locate the server(s) location used by GPP, good work just in case! No place to hide, BB is watching
!
Stella promised to tell us about their banking solution sometime this or next week, I hope she remembers that recently she agreed that members could also have their own account into which they would pay out, in any case this makes sense because sooner or later they would need access to their money, i.e. payout, preferably their own account, foundation or trust fund with someone they trust. With the GPP solution it may be difficult to draw money at a later stage. One possible solution in Kuala Lumpur looked like an individual or group to first have to file for opening a new bank… would not trust that, could soon close again, etc., how about using a world class bank like HSBC, branches everywhere?
Socke, Schwarzwaelder Kirschtorte hmmm, aber schwarzer Filterkaffee ist mir zu bitter! Gibts auch in Sued Afrika.
Comment by extan – February 19, 2008 @ 1:26 pm
is kind of headache when try to read the postings here…. especially post by mikecheck…
Comment by Meck – February 19, 2008 @ 3:09 pm
sleuth2008, shouldn’t everyone like themselves? This is your response (383) to my (382).
I’ll get to the point…
Where is the pay out? That’s not negative.
When is the last time that Stella provided good information? That’s not negative.
Why does her server jump from one location to another? That’s not negative.
Why use an online bank where it is not possible to withdraw your own money? That too is not negative.
Why are they in hiding in the first place? Not negative!
Again, straight to the point. No negative crap. Even short enough to read!
Come on, now,even you can’t answer any of these… Please tell me why others should not be frustrated. Simple comunication could solve this.
Stella why don’t you have someone anwser this for us, with sugar on top. You see, I’m being nice now….
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – February 19, 2008 @ 3:11 pm
sleuth2008,
By the way, I can see why this could have been construed as being negative. Yes, in one respect, perhaps it was leaning towards that direction.
I will say that when I saw this guy say that we Americans were gullible, it did not make me happy. A statement like that, I don’t think would make anyone happy. Reminded me of this.
Oh, on the previous post, I was not calling you Stella. This was meant a a question to her.
On anoher note —
Who suggests that we provide our most IMPORTANT information to an “agency” who is UNTRACIBLE!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – February 19, 2008 @ 3:36 pm
Hey everyone, i have not been able to get on the GPP site for 2 weeks now, i have tried all the ways mentioned here and nothing. what is going on? cheers
Comment by Blade68 – February 19, 2008 @ 5:39 pm
Hello!can someone answer my question please?in every forum same thing happens,can you help me and say anything about it?thank you!SALT
Comment by Salt – February 19, 2008 @ 8:05 pm
Hey SALT!
The personal data you took for your profile at GPP’s site just has to be the same that is written in your ID-documents.That’s all…
So if you have got two nationalities and two different passports -or whatever- choose the one you want to and take care that your profile’s data is identical whith your document(copie).
GPP -in case of payout!!! ;-)- just want to be sure that you are a real person.
Hope that helped…
Comment by Socke – February 19, 2008 @ 8:39 pm
Hey Socke, can you access the gpp web site?
Comment by Blade68 – February 19, 2008 @ 9:03 pm
You have got to be kidding! Ha Ha… You have got to be kidding! Anonymousspeech LLC!!! What are they hiding from!
Monica, what this means (info Koychi provided) is that this Stella is taking every step to be elusive possible! This is yet another attempt to hide (Now watch how many of Stella’s buddies here get angry about that statement)! Take a look!
Meck, take an asprin! Tell me one thing that I’ve said that isn’t true!
They are using a great server. No, really it is. Provides a great site builder! Something like the one… on the new Global website. —– GPP could have had a professional designer do it for them though… Especially for such a profitable company with their Billions.
DO NOT GIVE PERSONAL INFORMATION UNTIL YOU GET SOME VALID CONFIRMATION, AN ADDRESS, AND A VALID PHONE NUMBER THAT MAY BE FOUND ON THE WEB (oh, make sure that the phone number belongs to the entity that they claim to be. I saw something on one of their sister sites where the phone number was somewhere totally unrelated)!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – February 19, 2008 @ 9:19 pm
Hey Blade!
No problem to access the GPP-Site out of Germany.
And mike!
You might get a heart attack if you go on like this…
how many “policies” did you “buy” that you are posting like fury
Comment by Socke – February 19, 2008 @ 9:35 pm
Thanks Socke, i am in UK and havn’t been able to get on GPP-site for 2 weeks! is there any new news on the site? cheers
Comment by Blade68 – February 19, 2008 @ 9:44 pm
Sockie,
Ha, you are right! I have been posting pretty regularly. Also, I’m out $80.00. Yea, only $80.00. I’m not hurting at all on that. I am simply disgusted at how many people are being shammed!
By the way, could you post the link to the GPP site? No, I don’t have a password or anything, but perhaps you could post this for everyone else… I’m sure that they would appreciate that…
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – February 19, 2008 @ 10:02 pm
Hey Blade!
:
I think we had postings of the sensational “GPP-latest-news” here already but (again) especially for you
Just two new forum announcements… nothing more and not really the expected news
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:55 am Post subject: Short Update Reply with quote
Dear Members,
We are preparing a more complete update for you concerning the Banking Solution. This will come out hopefully later this week!
Please don’t email or mail us the Agreements and the ID copies yet! We don’t want or need them before the Banking Solution is ready!
Thank you!
Regards,Stella
AND
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:29 am Post subject: ID Reply with quote
Dear Members,
The accepted IDs will be:
- passport
- driver’s license
- birth certificate
Birth certificate will be accepted from the members of any age who
don’t have any other form of ID.
- government issues photo ID card (added because of it looks like a big number of members only have this one)
Regards,
Stella
…thank you stella, so generous… my head detonades
Comment by Socke – February 19, 2008 @ 11:10 pm
Socke,
Why don’t you list the site where we can find this sensational information, or is it that we can’t access the website over here (US)? That’s funny, especially since GPP is working off of a Japanese server right now!
Stella is sure on the move! Yea for Stella! Bet she’s working on that solution right now! Good for her!
I’ll tell you something funny, Feb 5th she says not to send info just yet. HA! How can you send something to someone w/ no address!
My friends, please consider the following:
DO NOT GIVE PERSONAL INFORMATION UNTIL YOU GET SOME VALID CONFIRMATION, AN ADDRESS, AND A VALID PHONE NUMBER THAT MAY BE FOUND ON THE WEB (oh, make sure that the phone number belongs to the entity that they claim to be. I saw something on one of their sister sites where the phone number was somewhere totally unrelated)!
To follow up… If these clowns can’t mail you something, provide you with something concrete, DON’T SEND IT! In other words, if they ask for this info through email, it’s then their second segment of the Scam!
Must be having too much of a problem w/ this bogus banking solution.
PROVE ME WRONG STELLA!!!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – February 20, 2008 @ 12:08 am
Thank you socke!i get it!.That it is in the case if whe get more information about gpp what ever it is!other hand to much people can’t post their Id.s like that.Salt
Comment by Salt – February 20, 2008 @ 1:03 am
ok… tell me what i have to lose … living in rented accomodation .. dont own and never likely to own anything of any great value … 60 yr old disabled and living on benifuts ….what real damage can they do to me if i do give over my id … the policy was bought for me as a gift …
Comment by curious to know – February 20, 2008 @ 1:29 am
MikeCheck,
Some of us would appreciate it if you would lighten up a bit. By now we all know where you stand with all of this. There are those that come to this forum to see questions and concerns that others are having, and for an exchange of information, but not to become bombarded with negativity that we all are experiencing within ourselves anyway. There is nothing that you have said that I am in disagreement with, but that does not mean I need it pounded into my thoughts everytime I read this blog.
Comment by Gabriel – February 20, 2008 @ 2:47 am
I feel like I’m part of one of the Jason “Bourne” movies. So much cloak and dagger, or should I say “bait and switch?” Shadowy figures appear and then dart away to work madly on “banking solutions” and other activities that just seem to be so much talk that it smells like a scam.
“If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then I’ll bet it really is a duck.”
Comment by downhomeguy – February 20, 2008 @ 3:55 am
I got my payout..and man if feels good!
GPP I love ya
not
Comment by Busting Gut – February 20, 2008 @ 4:36 am
Exactly!
Oh, Ben Seigler (the individual behind GPIT)… I have not forgotten you just yet.
GGP and GPIT… We’ll talk…
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – February 20, 2008 @ 5:18 am
well mike,thanks for 3 lines, much better, you’ve heard 3 members complaining about you repeating concerns, lets give the members and GPP the best we can offer, working for one goal, to get our money!!
Enjoy the wait….
Comment by extan – February 20, 2008 @ 12:03 pm
I don’t mind waiting extan its just the uncertainty that I don’t like. I cant get on any site. Maybe My jurisdiction is not a good one. I dunno. Keep me posted. Thank god for this site as I would feel pretty alone.
Cant wait for the day that my brother who is mocking me about this to ask me one last time “Got your money yet” with that I told you so grin, and say Yep. Wait for the next ONE Bro. LOL
Comment by SM – February 20, 2008 @ 2:17 pm
Hey Mikie-Checker!!
I’ll tell you something… (what a bother that my english isn’t good enough…)
)
But: Why are you always interfering in dialogues whith your bugging and repeating stuff? My last posting was just an answer to Blade who didn’t get the latest “stella-announcement”.
(my opinion: that doesn’t matter anyway… but a lesson -especially for you- about practiced friendliness
If I may venture a guess: here isn’t anybody around who is still interested in your font of agro-anecdotes…
make a brake and steady your nerves so you are able to enjoy the big GPP-payout healthfully
Hanging around and waiting for millions isn’t the worst job, is it?
)
(sorry…have been sarcastic I guess
Comment by Socke – February 20, 2008 @ 2:28 pm
…oh and mikie:
I swear their website is running as fast as an Easter bunny here in germany…
my eyes have been got really exhausted while watching out the GPP-forum for some news…
Comment by Socke – February 20, 2008 @ 2:36 pm
Oh, Socke your grammar is so confusing. Maybe you would be better off, making a comment in the German version of this site. Maybe you already do. If so whats the web sites name??? Might comment there and get picked on for my grammar!!lol Just a little humor there!!!
Id love to attempt German comments on a doitchland site. Even if I only speak a little German. Why not!
Why do you have a GO at MikeCheck? Last I heard, Its a free country and we have freedom of speech.
All I can say is you must love the Drama. Otherwise ignore what you don’t want to read. Its as simple as that.
I mean you want to talk to someone personally then email them. Other wise let people butt in.
YOU KNOW WHAT I think, you are ganging up, as I see that Gabriel started picking first. Pick at Stella and get her butt into gear.
On this site we are all here, to hear, each others personal postings so, Hey, -
Shit Happens!!!.
Other wise ignore what you don’t like and Contribute what you can. It’s So simple!!
I personally pray every day that what Mike thinks and his concerns are incorrect, and don’t always like to hear the negative version. But with out it I may be selling policies to unsuspecting people. At least I know, now to wait and see the proof.
And always make sure you don’t repeat your self either With the same frustration. Cause someone may get frustrated with you and be sarcastic Or something. After all why would they do that? You didn’t take their money. Best Intentions Sammy!!!!!!!!
If you don’t like what Mike has to say then simply don’t read it.
I think His heart is in the right place and if he is wrong than I think that’s going to be Bloody fantastic.
But buyer BEWARE TOO!!! I gather is all he’s saying.
Comment by SM – February 20, 2008 @ 4:42 pm
There seems to a general consensus not to send in the ID number (because of possible identity theft), (assuming we get an address from GPP or an attachment tag in your profile). As Stella reiterated we can also use our birth certificate, much safer, scan in or camera (cellphone), and save as JPG or whatever.
Comment by extan – February 20, 2008 @ 4:49 pm
just put some patience instead keep on challenging “stella” to counter your question… who knows whether she/he is the real one or some joker just using the nick “stella” to fool around and create havor? posting by mike no doubt bring out some point but is way to long… to read his posting… and bring in negative view wouldn’t help much….
Comment by Meck – February 20, 2008 @ 4:51 pm
yeah SM, long letters in this forum are really no good, distracting from the usual nice format, thats all! Just think about the compact German books with lots of useful info, then take a thick American (computer, etc) book, 15% of the content is superb and the rest is just plain padding, which do you prefer or do you just hate those bloody Germans
?
Comment by extan – February 20, 2008 @ 4:57 pm
hey socke, thanks very much for your help. i can get on the GPP-site fine today.
Comment by Blade68 – February 20, 2008 @ 5:35 pm
SM, I was not picking on MikeCheck. As I said, I don’t disagree with one thing he has to say. In fact I feel exactly the same way that he does. Yes “Buyer Beware” is what he is trying to get across. We got it!!!
Comment by Gabriel – February 20, 2008 @ 6:38 pm
SM!
Humor again!)
I think you missed some of the postings before but I forgive you.
And to be honest with you, I just take this forum to train my bad grammar and you should be soft on me because of that.
(Beware! Humor!!)
And no, I can’t see any reason to change to a german forum. I’s more fun to be here with you. The whole GPP-thing is sad enough.
As well I can’t see any reason why YOU have a GO at ME now because I totally agree with you. Freedom of speech…free country…blabla…
(at the end it’s because I’m german, that’s ok with me
But “drama” ?
No, thanks. Mikies daily drama is enough drama for the whole forum.
So remember your friendly advice “ignore what you don’t like”.
Perhaps we can return to the subject…
Comment by Socke – February 20, 2008 @ 6:49 pm
I agree socke, with you and thanks for forgiving me too. I forgive you for thinking its because your German. Goodness I’m not upset at Your being German, or your Grammar for that matter..
I guess I was just trying to make a point and that is, We shouldn’t pick on each other cause We don’t like it our selves.
My whole CONCEPT in that message was to show every one just how It feels to have some one pick on your postings, Like you all seemed to be doing to MikeCheck. I WAS MAKING A POINT (or at least trying too)
Guess you didn’t get my point.!!!!
Cause your German Oh,! I have to Say that Blew me away. (Sorry thats the impression you got). Gosh!
I will have to read a ways back to see if Mike is being nice to every one I guess.
I think you are all great and don’t like to hear you picking on each other. And Lets get back to the point as you say Socke The subject at hand.
Still am nice Sammy!!!
I guess there is no new postings then!!
Comment by SM – February 21, 2008 @ 3:04 am
once again, if it looks like shit, smells like shit, feels like shit, and even tastes like shit. Then it’s shit. It doesn’t turn into sweet chocolate pudding if just stay positive…
Comment by Rokka – February 21, 2008 @ 3:06 am
Everyone,
This may be somewhat extended, but I would like to address some questions/concerns noted towards myself…
I appologize for what is being seen as undue negativity. At this point, it is true that “what is done, is done”. I will also say that, yes, it is my opinion that we have been had. I would ask… Is it wrong to inform your fellow man of possible mishandling of their hard earned money?
Gabriel,
I can apprecaite that you agree with me on this topic. Indeed I would like to say “buyer beware”. Perhaps it is seen as continual rambeling… I’d ask Stella however, as this segment of the program is supposedly CLOSED, why are there still contracts being sold?
Courious to know,
60 is now the new 50. To say that you have nothing to lose, is something that actually, do not agree with. Even if you will never have any further expenses or need for exellent credit, why provide your information an unverified location? You know, even if credit is no longer a concern, why allow crooks to destroy what you have established for all of these years? Take this into consideration, even babies are having their ID’s stolen and accruing debts before even the 1st grade. I’m sure that we would all agree that this is simply wrong! Would you like not to provide these crooks with the ability to obtain ill gotten gains on your credit for ANY reason?
SM and others,
Might I also say that I appreciate your suport. I’d also like to than those who are not downing me for my opinion.
Meck,
Yes, at times these are long posts, but this after all, is a message board for goodness sake! Why should I not challenge Stella to answer the questions that I’ve asked? Take the into consideration the questions in my post 394 for example. I’d ask if she would dare answer any of these questions? Someone said that she DID view this page… I really hope that he, she or them is.
I’d also ask how much longer are we expected to wait! We surely realize how VERY many times we have been put of while waiting for a baking solution. Dare I say that this will go into March?
My friends, don’t get me wrong… I surely want to be wrong. I really really do. Belive me I would be the first to admit my previous negativity and call myself wrong. I simply would like others to be cognisant of these possible pending losses/stealing of money.
Lastly, I would like to ask, why was there a previous request for information to be provided within a small window? If it takes an eternity to get a solution, how would GPP handle these thousands of personal information submittals? If there are so very many people working on this solution shouldn’t it be done already? At this rate how many actually believe that you’d recieve your moneys in a timely fashion? This mearly a question. Hopefully this is not taken wrong.
Again, I truly hope for the best.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – February 21, 2008 @ 3:27 am
Rokka,
Just read your post and had a laugh, a good one in fact. I’ll bet that you know that I agree w/ you.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – February 21, 2008 @ 3:34 am
What a bummer that shit can’t turn into pudding! Or can it? Guess we wait and see now. Stranger things have happened.
I hope you are reading this Stella, cause we are all just really mad at you and your team I don’t think its at each other at all.
If we could talk to you we wouldn’t be on each others case all the time.
You disappear right when you promised to deliver. It’s out of our control, but its our money. Every single person here and in the GPP deserves their payout when promised.
And that my friends is the simple truth of it.
Comment by SM – February 21, 2008 @ 4:08 am
If any of you dead brains think you are gunna get paid out how about you come work for me please!!!!!!!
I know folk in the uk who should know better but of course it’s the old GREED factor.
Send £30 to my pension plan please dummies….hahaha
Comment by john – February 21, 2008 @ 4:10 am
MikeCheck,
how do you think should we get our bank account info etc. quickly to Stella and Co.? Using SNAIL post or should they send it to NOWHERE, shoot into heaven, whatever????? You do not seem to understand that such info needs to be supplied anyway and processed by GPP once they give us their Address, whatever. Providing this info (attached)in our “all in one” profiles would certaily be the quickest and then we are sure they have access to it and they could preserve their beloved secret stuff! Agreed, it is a big job and that would take some days, hope Stella gets help, no way to finish in Feb! Better for St. to just slip in a note in this forum to say she’s 50% through, etc.
Mike, about your long letters, Sammy seems to love them so maybe send right to down under, marry her, etc.
. Long letters are usually emotional and often repeat what has already been said, so they are really really shitttttttt!!!! You do not seem to get the message?? I better stop here, before I start to swear! F
Comment by fed-up – February 21, 2008 @ 8:48 am
to john, you have to be in it to win it. no need to be rude, will you feel as cocky if gpp do pay out?
Comment by Blade68 – February 21, 2008 @ 5:23 pm
John,
Ever so often in life, one has the unfortunate task of having to encounter one such as yourself. Someone willing to call individuals, that he has never met, “dummies”. And just because they dared to take a chance at something out of the norm. Is it errogance on your part that you would belittle others for that? Or do you just like to see your childish feelings posted onb the internet? I have no idea if GPP is going to payout and if I had to guess I would probably say that it won’t. But when all is said and done I know that I would be able to get over the fact that I lost a few bucks on a gamble easier than I could get over not risking a few bucks on something that paid out big. Here’s hoping that you find something better to do with your time than criticizing others.
Comment by Gabriel – February 21, 2008 @ 6:03 pm
Good for you Gabriel, Well said!
I think we will all be very happy soon. So John, eat your heart out!
Stella made promises, and I am sure she will keep it and not disappoint 100,000 people who trusted in her.
Be positive. Bless GPP every day for a positive outcome. Our positive attitudes can make a difference!
Be happy and know in your heart that what your mind can conseve, you can achieve!
Comment by JL – February 21, 2008 @ 9:46 pm
Hmmmm; it’s now the 21st of the month and I notice a strange alck of postings by “Stella.” Has anyone read any posting on any site from her? I am supposed to call my father (sad story there) and find out what the new updates are. I guess he has access to some website with a password. Through that site he is able to supposedly get updates on the G.P.P. process.
Comment by downhomeguy – February 21, 2008 @ 9:49 pm
Hey everyone, there is a new post just came on the gpp site but i cant put it on here for some reason!
its from stella saying we dont need to press the active member button.
Comment by Blade68 – February 21, 2008 @ 11:22 pm
Hi Socke!you do say things right!,if is here freedow to speak,why that ‘german lol’coment?I am to from other country and don’t speak english well too.I am curios to know what happen in every forum that speaks about gpp.Make m,thanks for the info,ok you think it is a scam,is there more info about that?,questions?etc…like i say before,if is not comunication,every body get nervous and start to do what are you doin here!I remember that when a came here with a question,that one was answer by Socke and even after so much drama text,socke read and answer,thanks to you!,it doesn’t mean that you are stupid if your want to know something about gpp,after all,in the right time and with all kind of info every one will do what ever they believe.Mike give us info why you think is that a scam,info,etc…or other why not,facts and save the Drama out here,it’s to much of that allready on tv and makes info stuff not very professional, helpfull and serius to read,endeed fact info never is credible if you make a joke from that.Than you all here for the great info you doing!Regards Salt
Comment by Salt – February 22, 2008 @ 2:37 am
Fed-up,
If you feel that you must swear, you have my permission do so if it will make you feel better. In fact, you can anything that you want. It’s not going to hurt me. It is the insulting of others that should be of concern to you…
Allow me to continue… Now if you feel that you have to send your information to Stella, be my guest. Why don’t you walk to your nearst gas station and give it to someone that you don’t know. If you’ll note, it has many similarities to our situation. We don’t know them, we don’t have their address, and don’t know their phone number. Funny enough, I don’t think that he/she will provide me with any money.
Yes, I’m still remaining positive, but I’m also, now being carefull.
Concered for your fellow man in getting this info to stella huh? To tell the truth, I don’t think that she has the fortitude to provide an address. Now that I mention an address, this Stella and Ben provided an address once before. Guess where it lead? A two family duplex! Can you guess wheter of not if I had a laugh? The answer begins with a YES. - You said something of sending info to Nowhere… Well, I’d say that this would be similar.
You mentioned a big job… Hope she get’s help… I thought that she already had this help and that this should be completed by the end of February. Why don’t you find out for us if we’ll be jacked into another month as I suggested might happen earlier THIS month? By the way what makes you think that she can’t finish this, this month? Hmmmm….
Ha! Long letters distracting. OK, I’ll shorten them in respect to the repeating of questions (eventhough no one can’t anser ANY of them). I’ll simply reference the previous questions. For example the questions that I asked in post 278, 326 or even 405. I won’t even repeat post 360 referring to good ole’ Ben! Thanks buddy, great idea. I’ll just reference these from now on… A real time saver I’d say.
Ok, perhaps I don’t get the message, but I have one that I’ll continue to provide… Buyer beware. I’d also suggest that no further information be provided till we get an address. If so inclined at that point, I’d say that this would be one step in the right direction. What do you think of that? I think that you could appreciate that. I’m also looking out for you, whether you believe this or not…
My friends, asking for an address cannot be this much of a problem. For goodness sake, I’d not even use it except for verification of the location. I’m sure that this would be something easy for Stella to provide! This time I’m not even asking for that elusive phone number. I would think that everyone would appreciate that little bone from Stella. I could appreciate this. Wouldn’t you?
Long post yet again. Sorry, kind of. Well, not really. At the same time, I don’t think that this post was too emotional.
Again, though I may sound negative, I’m trying to remain positive. As for myself, yes this additional money could go a long way towards many things.
Stella, Ben and/or others, Please prove me wrong. Shut me up! I’d appreciate you doing so. We all have a few questions that you could easily answered. Instead of further elusive, non-informational statements, tell us something..
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – February 22, 2008 @ 3:09 am
Salt,
I mean not to provide drama. I’m only asking if a question or two could be ansered by Stella. Surely even you must have taken note of this, non caring for her/their members.
Are you concerned about this non comunication?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – February 22, 2008 @ 3:24 am
It is a while since I last posted a comment on this blog… however, I continue to monitor the postings - and personally, I am disgusted that this forum has denigrated into a “mud slinging”, repetitive, inane platform of postings, which is not achieving anything of substance… particularly from “mikecheck” who is bloating matters out of complete proportion with his “hot air balloons” of rantings. And also that of Ben… are you a member? or just expressing opinions, a “perceived pessimistic view”. You are yet to be proved right or wrong… don’t be a party pooper. You may yet have your day in due course.
Folks, if you are in the programme, just be patient, it is now a “waiting game”. There is nothing any one can do, but just “sit pat” and wait for matters to unfold. All the ranting and ravings will only fill up empty space and serve as an outlet to air one’s frustrations.
Remember, you joined the programme voluntary, whether “gifted” or otherwise. What do you really have to loose… only the amount you or someone else “invested” in your future, not the amount of your potential accumulated end benefit. You took a chance, just as one does when purchasing other opportunities of chance in the hope that that elusive financial windfall would come to you. The odds are always stacked against us… but we continue to invest, don’t we?
And YES! we are all frustrated and understandably angry that GPP Trust Partners have failed to deliver on specific targets and other matters associated with closure and fulfillment of the programme… but for all we know, it maybe for genuine reasons… we can only wait and see. Cynical assumptions, bridled with skeptizm, are just that.
The very best thing you can do in this world of negativity in which we live, is not let ourselves be pulled into the black hole of despair, but rather keep pulling people back to reality and telling them to focus instead of what they want, because our thoughts are very powerful and the more we think negative thoughts, the more we will attract negative outcomes. It seems like pretty simple math to me…You can choose to think positively about what YOU want and receive it, or you can choose to think negatively and continue to live in an ongoing world of negativity, fear and loss. This change of mind is instantaneous.
In closing, mikecheck and Ben, in particular, please do us all a favor, and contain your thoughts to a more positive attitude… you have aired your opinions adequately to express your own opinions and frustrations in and about the GPP programme.
No one from GPP will respond in this forum (and why should they?).
It was clearly stated to existing members in the GPP Forum, that all information concerning the programme, would be posted in the Members Forum. So if you don’t want to see the programme out, buttout, shutup, and allow those who remain positive to see the programme through to the end… the future is yet to unfold and hopefully prove to be bountiful to the faithful positive members.
Remember… Never give up in the face of extreme adversity… that is what has won wars for free countries… “fulfillment of dreams do oft come true”.
Comment by Ocka – February 22, 2008 @ 5:30 am
Hi Ocka,
Thank you for your positive input.
There is much thought for food contained in your posting and a pleasure to read something from an inteligent felow human being for a change!
Please everyone, stop the negative postings. We who believe in a positive outcome for GPP don’t want to hear your sobbing.
MIKE CHECK, stop being so emotional and PLEASE shorten your ramblings. It is SO FRUSTRATING to have to struggle through such lengthy negative minefields that you create!!
Comment by JLL – February 22, 2008 @ 6:32 am
Ocka
Well said, I couldnt agree with you more!
Comment by AB – February 22, 2008 @ 7:43 am
Although I’m really done up by reading all the “toilet paper postings” I have to say:
At first I’m glad to see that the tone is getting more civilized and Ocka!!!
I couldn’t agree with you more!
I’ve tried to express that (much shorter) before and capitulated after two or three postings.
Maybe my english was too bad
And again: I really hope that joyment of life for you all doesn’t depend on huge sums of GPP-money!
But: I’ll spend my weekend in switzerland and I will clean out my swiss bank account…you never can tell
So remember what they told us!
Don’t forget to press the member button again and again even it’s not “activ” maybe it helps…
Ich drück alle Daumen!
Comment by Socke – February 22, 2008 @ 8:43 am
Salt!
especially for you…have a nice weekend and:
I like your english and your grammar…
Comment by Socke – February 22, 2008 @ 8:59 am
Hello
Well seems like this is a big discussion,whitout any solution,since nobody knows her right name,phone,adress os anything how can you get hold of her in this way
But when the patience is gone there is another solution,and we will catch her and make her forfill her commitments in one way or another,that is for sure
We only use our contacts around the world in some special environments and we will be in touch with theese people ,but for now and for a little bit of time we must wait and see
Comment by dina – February 22, 2008 @ 12:35 pm
Ocka wrote:
“In closing, mikecheck and Ben, in particular, please do us all a favor, and contain your thoughts to a more positive attitude”
Ocka, I think you’ll agree that I have been very fair in allowing a range of varied opinions to be posted on this blog. I have only censored 2 posts, both of which were personal attacks that had no place here.
I also had to edit a post which contained referral links to a very dubious looking “investment” program.
Looking back over your posts I can see that I have let a lot of blatant promotion remain on the post, especially of GPP.
My own personal opinion of GPP is it nothing more than a clever money-grabbing con. I have tried to stop people wasting money and time by joining it - hopefully I have saved some people from losing money.
You, on the other hand, have promoted this “program” for many months now and, from the look of your website, you are still promoting it.
That’s fine, it’s your reputation after all.
However, if you want this blog post to remain fair then you must accept that myself, MikeCheck and others will continue to express our opinion which is a polar opposite opinion to yours.
As far as I am concerned, there was never anything positive to say about the Global Pension Plan. It was always extremely far-fetched and is almost certainly illegal in many countries (including the UK).
Comment by Ben – February 22, 2008 @ 1:26 pm
Okka,
One point that I was trying to make is to possible new members. I do not want others to get into this until payout. At this point, they’d receive no benefit, right? Who think’s that it makes sense for others to get into a closed program?
GPP won’t responding, or taking the easyway out and not repond?
I’ll respond later with positive notes on the program.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – February 22, 2008 @ 2:21 pm
Wel thanks Ben for having us on this forum, because most websites like GPP act somewhat like Hitlr and Mussoli, Fidel just stopped it
you know what I mean, but if one looks closely at this forum it is abused quite a bit, really sad! We all know who abuses this forum as if it belongs to them alone, talking mostly unintelligent crap, lines and lines and lines, need I name them? AND ONE PARTICULAR GUY JUST DOES NOT GET THE MESSAGE… nothing to do with freedom of speech, this is writing, good writing is concise and genius is simlicity itself!
We all know that Stella and Co act utterly unprofessional, their lack of communication leaves much to be desired, but strangely some of that brand of humans are doing damn good business, did you see those products that are advertised in bad English, but work well! So maybe just wait a bit, there could be a surprise very soon, so hold your horses, but if they would try to pull a fast one on us, they know they will meet the full force of 100K + ingenious humans, count me in!!!!!
Comment by extan – February 22, 2008 @ 2:25 pm
interesting, I tried to paste in here the last entry in GPP that Stella wrote, seems to be rejected by the moderator??????
Comment by extan – February 22, 2008 @ 2:38 pm
tried 3 times, no luck so Ben boycots GPP!
Comment by monster – February 22, 2008 @ 2:43 pm
What does the last entry in GPP by Stella say?
Comment by Gabriel – February 22, 2008 @ 3:05 pm
“tried 3 times, no luck so Ben boycots GPP!”
Heh - I realise it looks that way but it isn’t true, honest!
I haven’t had any comments come through so there must be a word in the post that is in the “blacklist”. Certain words used by comment spammers are blacklisted and result in the comment being deleted.
If you email me the post (ben @ bencatt.com) I will post it up here for you (and also find out why it isn’t being posted).
Thanks
Comment by Ben – February 22, 2008 @ 4:32 pm
Hi,
Can anybgody give me a clue why I cannot login to the GPP site from home, while it’s smooth sailing from my office - located in the same town? Something to do with IPnrs, cookies??
Thanks
Juan
Comment by Juan – February 22, 2008 @ 7:22 pm
The GPP post (thanks to Blade!):
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:58 pm
Post subject: Active Member-button
“Dear Member,
If the Active Member-button still exists in your profile even after clicking it, please worry not!
There is no need to click the button anymore, not for the already existing members nor the new members who might sign up from now on until the closure of the program. This means that you can click it if you so feel, but you don’t have to!
If there isn’t an Active Member-button in your profile, don’t worry about that either! You have most probably clicked it already!
Thank you!
Regards,
Stella”
Comment by Ben – February 22, 2008 @ 10:14 pm
…….almost certainly illegal in many countries (including the UK). Hi Ben could you tell what laws the plan violates … i am not disputing what you say just would like to know so i can check up for my own protection
Comment by curious to know – February 22, 2008 @ 11:14 pm
Is it true 1 out of 10 of these RPP’s are real?
Now to determine if GPP is the real one or perhaps It’s World Pension Plus?
???
Comment by rocket – February 23, 2008 @ 12:05 am
“Hi Ben could you tell what laws the plan violates”
Sure, but first:
We’re all adults here - and you know I’m no solicitor or accountant or policeman or whatever… What I am trying to say here is that this is my take on the GPP scheme from research…
** IT IS NOT THE GOSPEL TRUTH ACCORDING TO SOME HIGHER POWER **
First of all, I believe that GPP is a multi-level marketing plan. It has to adhere to certain regulations in the UK which it does not.
Secondly, it should be registered with the Financial Services Authority in the UK and it certainly IS NOT!
Thirdly, it shares several characteristics with point 30 of this report from the Serious Fraud Office:
Combating Prime Bank and High-Yield Investment Fraud
I don’t knock this ‘program’ for fun. I wrote the initial report and encouraged comments on this blog in the hope that it would stop people from wasting their money on GPP.
I sincerely hope that people don’t just blindly send off their ID to these strangers.
Comment by Ben – February 23, 2008 @ 12:08 am
Hi Mike ch!Yes your right that comunication doesn’t work and makes people nervous and i understand too that other people still positive,every body should ask for info or any important’agreemend mather’ to some one professional,after you know every detail,you! only you will or not take the change or take the scam,whe are adults here,am i right?The IDcopies?if you trust like that without any info from them,that’s your risk and your family members too.I wan’t too that they will paid us like any one here,allso don’t understand that silence.Mike,Stella don’t read here,she has not time about it that’s for sure,that’s why no one even ask for her here!.To socke!thanks for the coment,trying here to make my self understandable =)) and regards to you!.And for every body in here,have a nice weekend and i hope at last,that my gramma makes you SMILE! =))
Comment by Salt – February 23, 2008 @ 12:46 am
Ocka, JLL, AB, Socke & Salt,
You are all concerned with the fact that I have posted negative postings involving GPP. Well, can any of you tell me what positive you have to say about the program? I mean, you are all so especially positive on the program. If you could, please tell me, no tell us, why anyone should believe in this scam? I mean, like the only responses that I have been provided come to some vague reason why we should remain positive and not negative! Someone, anyone, please tell me why we should belive in this program other than this nonsense of blind faith in a company that aparently is attempting to illude us all.
Might I alo ask, why the use of several servers, no address, no communication, and goodness sake, no website! Now that’s one for the books! This site provides safety for the money which we have invested huh? The site CANNOT even stay open! What’s the deal there? The programers have hit the road? Someone said that I was being unprofessional. On a note of professionalism, which make a true difference to us all, is why the non professional website? WHAT is this nonsense of telling us not to worry if the site does not work properly? So, we’ve already pressed this button. That is a SAD excuse to say that the site is not working. I’ll not laugh, as this is not funny. This again, is not negativity. Sounds like fact to me.
O.K., a negative post again, as would be said. This is not negative. I’ve mearly stated facts! I’ve posed several questions to Stella and Co. NOT ONE HAS BEEN ANSWERED, and no one else can provide answer! Again NOT ONE HAS BEEN ANSWERED!!!!!!!!!
Ocka,
You stated that I am only filling empty space… Well, the space is empty. Let’s fill it up! You asked what do we have to loose. I’d say something like our money? This quest of mine, is also to prevent this from happening to to others.
You also made mention as to the fact that Stella does not read these posts. Well on Feb 1st. it seems like she did to me…
Oh, by the way, you also asked, why would GPP answer anyone in this forum… Now how would you know that? Hmmm… Well if Stella reads these post’s, and I’m sure that she does, why not answer? I tend to think that it’s not that she can’t. I think it that she won’t. Why you ask? Because she has NO answer that will provide a positive, should I say true response. After all, she posted something on Feb 1st didn’t she?
You asked me, I don’t want to see the end of the program, get out! I believe that is what you said… Now tell me, even if I wanted to get out, how could I do that? Yes, how would I get those dollars back? Quite honestly, I’d trully be interested to know. I’m sure that others would also like to know… Not that we’d actually do it.
I’d like to ask, you all;
1) Do you belive that GPP should continue to accept contracts?
2) Do you believe that this will contine into March? Please don’t provide a lame answer like “we are working on a solution” or “it will take time to process all of these contracts” - You hear that Stella?
I’d really like to know your thoughts on those. In fact I’m sure that everyone would. I’m not calling anyone out. I’m just curious.
My friends, I’m not talking about my money. As I’ve mentioned before, I’m talking about other’s new money that might come into the program.
Ocka, JLL, AB, Socke & Salt, wouldn’t you all agree with me, that no more contracts should be taken until this has paid out?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – February 23, 2008 @ 5:11 am
Members.
I meant to mention some positive facts about this program… Hmmm, well, Um…. Well, you’ve got me!
That was just a bit of humor…
Seriously, some positive facts, I’ve learned of this program are more like positive lessions;
If it is too good to be true, it probably is.
Questionable practices, provides questionalbe results (have’t seen any yet).
Base your dealings with companies on past performance. For example, if you are going to have a wood floor lain in your house, you’d try to find someone with a good reputation.
Not bad positive notes I’d say…
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – February 23, 2008 @ 5:34 am
Hi Mike!Honestly,i’m not the perfect one to ask your questions,you see,i never paid for one pension,i got it from a gift from a friend who really believe so much,that’s why i have to be kind to my friend and get information to her,maybe opens her eyes more,but adult she is,so i can’t push any one.Mike,i meen that a good fihter have to stay focus and don’t loose a nerve,you will think better and clearly.Y agree that the agreemend sucs,it is not legal in my country,allso many other thinks don’t look quite nice endeed.I have curiosity what next will happen?what people gonna do?can whe do something about it?is there a internacional business law who take care about same cases of scam ‘If’ that is one?,by the way,why all people think that Stella is from Finland?the interwie of moneymakers perhaps?you can’t believe every thing you read people,why when i read from this country never find a word about it,but of course the financial press tells us about a scam?to many questions and no answers.I just read and wait and get informed,more i can’t do,i have kids to take care and never people should bring home, money stress to kids.And positive facts,perhaps learn to be more carefull with any thing and allways get informed before a get in any business and make sure my kids too.More countracts?NO WAY,first they have to paid out,that’s my opinion…Have a nice weekend MikeM. and all of you!! =)
Comment by Salt – February 23, 2008 @ 7:39 am
BB and some goverments and financial strongmen do not want us to have lots of money, because then they can’t manipulate us and suck us dry! It is common knowledge that the rich take from the poor, the rich pay less tax, get lots of perks, etc. the poor just suffer, but have good friends and smile: they can only get richer!
If you accept this as a basic truth, then you know how GPP functions, but whatever you think, we have lots of power in our numbers and GPP knows it. I think in terms of psychology and if you read between the lines, Stella and Co. are still with us and they certainly have some compassion, lets not kill it, a few more weeks… so what, the end result counts!
MikeCheck you keep repeating yourself, Stella will not answer your letters, maybe rather get your nappy (or diaper if American) on, because you act like a selfish\ignorant child!!!
Comment by extan – February 23, 2008 @ 8:58 am
MikeCheck… Clearly I have made my position quite clear. Your further postings only confirm my previous comments regarding your repetitive and mundane postings. As I stated previously… all matters pertaining to the GPP programme - will be posted in the Membership Forum… the correct place to do so.
You can continue to air hypothetical questions in this blog… but nothing will come out it… except to release your frustrations and continue to create negativity. We all have concerns about certain elements associated with the programme, but hey! it was own individual choice, or someone of good intention, that we are now involved… and again, it is an individual choice to commit to further involvement.
I have made it quite clear on my website, that at best, “it is an element of risk opportunity” and prior to joining, every effort should be made to do ones own due diligence. And prior to enrolling a new member, again, I stress that point to them.
Those of us who have made a commitment to be involved… all that can be asked, “is to be patient, keep calm” “sit pat” and wait… all will be revealed in due course… and hopefully, it will all be positive.
And those of you who are not committed to the programme… please, please, donot continue to post disparaging comments… for all you know, you may yet be proved wrong. Assumptions are but Assumptions, and can only be viewed as such… whether they be based on educational, hypothetical or informed values… and until proved, one way or the other, in the due course of time, all will be revealed.
Should my judgment be proved incorrect… I will wear the “egg on my face” but I will certainly not “cry over the spilt milk”. It was my choice to accept the risk factor… I stand to loose many $$$$$’s because of my generosity to gift members of my family, friends and those were less fortunate than myself, or who had done me a good turn, or who I considered needed financial support… and I am only an Aged Pensioner. More fool you, you might say… Yes! I am an entrepreneur with a huge, but humble heart filled with compassion to give… but it was my choice.
Never despair folks… dreams do oft come true… and so until the “dead horse takes it’s final breath” remain positive. Remember, Churchill faced impossible odds on all fronts, with extreme negativity from within his own country and Parliament - did he give in? And had he done so, would our world be as it is today?
Comment by ocka – February 23, 2008 @ 9:26 am
Hello all of you
If everybody are sure this is a scam,then the solution is easy if you really want to do something about it
with our contacts inside different money transfer companies like WU and so on ,it is easy to find who has picked up money sent to GPP and if they are to confront some of our people,they will for sure lead us to the people behind this system
They will have no ther option,seriously I konw this from earlier experience in this matters
As the choosen guys stand in front of the person nicknamed Stella,she will find money to pay out
there will be no other option,so just wait for another 2 or 3 weeks and if they do not deliever ,we will of course make them deliever in our way
Comment by dina – February 23, 2008 @ 1:10 pm
[Edit by Ben: Warning, this post contains a link to MMG - a board that is well known for allowing the promotion of various so-called "investment" schemes. Please be careful if you decide to follow the link]
http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Global-Pension-Plan-www-t37583.html&st=4995 - I found this comments site and I have to say they sound worse than us, with getting nasty toward each other and I feel terrible of some comments that I myself have made and that of others. Even ones to Stella because unless she totally disappears we have nothing to really worry about.
Have a read and you will feel just like I did. Sad.
Good news maybe just around the corner.
Lets keep faith and hope. Keep on helping each other with info, we are all hoping for the same thing. Cheers!!!
Comment by SM – February 23, 2008 @ 1:42 pm
Here are the facts.
1. The sun rises in the east and sets in the west
2. What goes up must eventually come down
3. I love my children
4. We don’t know if GPP is going to payout. All we can do is hope
against what seems logical
5. MikeCheck will disregard what everyone is saying and post a long
repetitive rambling
Man oh man!!!
Comment by Gabriel – February 23, 2008 @ 2:25 pm
I guess for me, it’s not the negativity. Negative or positive. Who wants to read the same thing over and over again?
Comment by Gabriel – February 23, 2008 @ 2:28 pm
Ha Ha Ha Ha… You have got to be kidding!!!… I mean you have really got to be kidding! Now, I wasn’t sure that there could have been some affiliation with some members receiving benefits from this program. Have I been provided with an answer?
Extan,
Now could you tell me just why these governments, financial strongmen, and Bogy men, don’t want us to make money? Now that is a good one….
Well Extan, I really cannot accept unknown function of GPP as a basic truth. If GPP has so much power why be concerned with others? Why must we read between the lines when a statement from Stella, or anyone with real info can SO easily provide it?
I’ll agree100% with you however that the end result is all that matters! Stella won’t answer huh? You know of a site where i can ask this question to her? Perhaps something other than that inoperative website?
Wearing a diaper, being selfish, you saying that I’m ignorant! Well all of that sounds pretty ignorant to me. Sounds like someone is getting angry. I’ll not even participate in mud slinging.
Ocka,
I appreciate the acknowledgement of my position. Ok. hypothetical questions… Funny… Not one of them sounds hyothetical to me… Not one! These are clearly based upon fact, which can easily be asked and seen. Hypothetical means, WHAT IF. What I’ve noted is quite clear and apparent.
If my coments seem disparaging, I’m sorry. I do not mean for my words to seem that way. I’ll attempt to correct that… Indeed if your judgement is incorrect, there will be no need to wear egg on your face. I too, know others that have lost quite a bit of money (I mean to say who have invested lots of money), involving others in this program. Yes the intent there is there to provide benfit to others. A very worthy and compassionate jesture.
Could you help me in understanding something… Most of us realized some risk. Many have stayed calm whether afraid to think otherwise or not. That is O.K. As for us with concerns however, why are they not addressed? How much hope, how much time, should members be expected to wait? March is quickly approaching for a deal that should have been completed back in November or earlier! Indeed, that’s not an assuption but a fact.
Yes, dreams do come true. I too hope that this program will benefit us all! Now why must this horse be almost dead? We did not enter this program to run a race on a practically dead horse. Also, why must our odds be impossible. Beforehand they sounded pretty good…
All,
As said before, what is done is done. I’m remaining hopeful, and waiting on a positive result. I’m simply saying, yes, once again, that others should not be joining this program until the payout comes. We all agree with that right? Extan, Ocka, wouldn’t you agree?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – February 23, 2008 @ 5:41 pm
hi Dina,
… do including my girlfriend JLL and myself! I hope GPP will take serious note and pay out unless they are THICK like MC.
I hear what you say, maybe soon we need more of your kind, hope you have sharp teeth and awesome fingernails
Someone from GPP seems to read this forum, but will not publish or answer letters here, so maybe be friendly and support their endeavour coupled with measured warnings, that surely will help if we all support a practical strategy.
And Gabriel rightly predicted, man o man o man:
5. MikeCheck will disregard what everyone is saying and post a long
repetitive rambling
the next one will surely come, man o man o man!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for progessive thoughts that bring resuts!
Comment by extan – February 23, 2008 @ 7:54 pm
OK Extan, I saw this from a totally different msg board… Makes you go hmmmm…
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I haven’t said GPP is a scam.
I HAVE said that Chicosan is a fraud. Perhaps that leads some to believe that what he says about GPP and Stella.has not been 100%
However, the members are in a precarious position, in that , sending multiple payments from their accounts to several differing recipients in eastern Europe or Africa, could be seen as an attempt to hide money-laundering activities, and, as you know, the name you put on those payments had nothing to do with Stella. The traceable part only comes back to you.
Both Chicosan and Stella are well-aware of the AML laws, which is why Chicosan pretends to not notice what I wrote about them, and has no response. I dare say, this was a purposeful act, to leave the members holding the bag should anything happen.
Stella has covered her own butt, by not allowing you to have her name, address or any information that can actually tie her to the movement of over $5,000,000.
Now, since the first trust partners disappeared, she had to go to Kuala Lumpur to find more? Do you think they’d be that hard to find if TEP’s are traded regularly in the UK, as they are?
I apologize if you find my posts tedious, but life isn’t all sweetness and light. It’s sometimes dark and rotten. I’m tired of reading Chicosan’s obnoxious non-answers and outright bullying to serious and well-thought out questions. If the police turn up at your door to question you about your money-laundering cartel, with your GPP check in their hands, then that will be a dark and rotten day for you. Won’t it?
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Can another non anwer also be presented to this forum?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – February 23, 2008 @ 8:13 pm
[Edit by Ben: Warning, this post contains a link to MMG - a board that is well known for allowing the promotion of various so-called "investment" schemes. Please be careful if you decide to follow the link]
My friends,
I am very sad to find that the board I reffered to just now has somewhat confirmed the status of scam. Very sad about this.
You know I refferenced the continual additional members coming in. Also no answer? I saw that this was asked there. The answer…. it was you know “answered but not answered” as usual.
As I am such a trouble maker, please view this forum, starting around Feb 14 - 20th. Very sad how these same members on this board have played us as they attempted on the other.
Members,
This is why I ask that no further monies be sent. Please provide them with no further benefit. They should not need these small contracts, especially since they should be focusing on these millions that should be “paid out” in the next couple of days… Wait a minute, I said that in early February. Guess I’m supposed to say a couple of months from now, right?
http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Global-Pension-Plan-www-t37583.html&st=4890
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – February 23, 2008 @ 8:54 pm
The whole of these reverse pension scams are based upon a fallacy that such policies can be traded profitably. This is not so, as any insurance professional will tell you. Also, the myth that such highly profitable trades take place regularly amongst the wealthy is just that, a myth.
Without wishing to denigrate those who have already donated to the cause, apart from the loss of a few Euros, the main problem is that you are contributing to a crime. This applies very much to those who promote such schemes, probably with the best possible intentions, but it does make them undeniably an accessory.
Much talk is made of due diligence - but it is not possible to perform due diligence on a company that has no address, no telephone or fax and whose sole means of communication is through an ethereal person by the name of Stella operating through an anonymous E-Mail address.
Comment by Owen Platt – February 23, 2008 @ 9:03 pm
Owen,
Well said. Are you aware of any platforms that we could use to tear down this scam?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – February 23, 2008 @ 9:08 pm
We are so close to the end of the month. Let’s just step back, take a deep breath and wait. Soon we will know whether this is indeed a scam (though the evidence seems to point that way), or a really novel way of making money (transfer of wealth). March will soon arrive and then we will either have an answer, or some wonderfully worded reason for the “month-to-month” phrase of a previous posting.
Comment by downhomeguy – February 23, 2008 @ 10:37 pm
440. “The whole of these reverse pension scams are based upon a fallacy that such policies can be traded profitably.”
there is profitable ways with tep’s, one example:
http://www.policyplus.com/index.php
or its a scam also? please discuss about it, instead of bringing out the same and same again
Comment by monica – February 23, 2008 @ 10:41 pm
You can ignore all of the intracacies of the policies and how they are traded. All of that whether true or false is simply diversion by detail. Yes you can buy endowment/annuity policies. Yes, you can sell endowment/annutity policies. None of that matters. The fundamental flaw in all of these RPP deals is that you can never sell any of these policies for more than they are worth at a given point in time since it makes no sense for anyone to buy them on that basis.
It’s very simple. GPP’s deal boils down to their buying a policy for 41,000 and then immediately, with no corresponding increase in the value of the policy, selling it to another party for 120,000. None of the surrounding detail matters. It’s not a question of some new and different type of policy, or how TEP markets work, or who is buying/selling the policies. It all hinges simply on some party buying the policy for 3 times what it’s worth and that’s obviously not going to happen. If you can’t do that then there’s no funding for the remaining aspects of the deal.
Comment by JH – February 23, 2008 @ 11:27 pm
MikeCheck…SHUUUUUUSH UP… clearly you like to hear your own voice expunging your repetitive, repetitive, repetitive opinions, opinions,opinions (sorry there must be an echo there) But are you absolutely sure you are correct. None of us know for sure, one way or the other, assumptions are flying like blowflies off a disturbed dead carcase.
You mentioned that you are a member of GPP - well then WHY did you join. Apply the virtue of patience, that is all that you should do at this stage, and endeavor to apply a positive attitude - like attitudes attract the “Power of Attraction” principle.
OH! there is one other thing… SHUUUUUUSH UP… (there’s that echo again) unless you have something really, really positive to contribute, not repetitive bleetings. We all share your concerns! But there is nothing we can do… but wait patiently.
Dina… we all welcome your input, it is people like you and your organization that we now need to inquire and ascertain relevant information about the principals of GPP… and expose who are the participants of their organized structure and truth in substance of the validity of the programme. Your posting is of relevant substance.
From now on, it is up to those of you out there who have qualified experience in IT, and other areas of knowledge associated with policing, to source and correlate as much knowledge as is possible about the Trust Partners, who they are, their location, where the members money is being sent to, and every aspect of the GPP programme that can be delved into… just in case it is needed to flush out the participants. That would be a worthwhile activity for “mikecheck” - but keep it to yourself, until needed.
This is my last posting… I bow out… my energies are better placed in other areas of internet marketing… Wishing you all positive feelings and success for the future. For those you may wish to contact me, my email address is on my web page… click on the link below.
Comment by Ocka – February 23, 2008 @ 11:39 pm
Hi Everyone,
The huge volume of comments on this post caused issues with the database earlier today so I have archived the first 100 comments on the main site:
http://www.bizoppsuk.com/gpp_comments.php
Thanks,
Ben
Comment by Ben – February 24, 2008 @ 12:48 am
Ocka,
I believe that if one were to walk ouside of a cave, for the most part, that echo could be reduced substancially.
For the benefit of others, let me note, what I have been presenting to others are questions. These being for others edification. These are not opinions of my own (generally). Why do you continue to say that these are mearly my negative ramblings?
Alright, no opinions anymore. How about some last words. Nothing positive or negative. If this is construed as such, then it’s your call… These are not even questions.
GPP internet bank names and reputations…
1) location of business
2) Website information
3) Address
4) New members benefit
5) Closed program?
6) Accepting new money
7) Time for payout is…..
9) LAST name of POCs (ex:Stella)
10) Banking solution
I could go on and on. I will not however. In fact, I’ll sit to the side for a moment or two, as not to counter Ocka by asking further questions that he won’t answer.
I will take note of what you said about the collection of information and compiling it in order to flush out any wrong doers, dealing with the misappropration or our monies! I’m down with you on that! But, I thought of this… At what point would I/we determine when this information would be needed? Also, why do we once again need secrecy, as was called for in the beginning of the program? Wouldn’t it be beneficial for everyone to know? —
Need for more contracts? I just must ask this one last time. Just a question, not an attack…
Might I also add that you do indeed have a very informative website… Pretty good marketing techniques used too… I’ll consider using such techniques if I consider actually selling something online. I’m serious in this respect, I might even say good job.
You might want to consider updating your site under “What Are The Eligibility Rules And Benefits Of Becoming A Member?”. The site states “The Trust Fund Manager, has now advised, that the final process for members to provide formal identification will now be conducted during the month of January, 2008″. You might want to update that date…
Ocka,
I would like to say to you, that there is no need for me to run you away. As I mentioned earlier, I can see that looking out for my fellow man is not being appreciated by many. Or is it that it’s many names that are one?!
Tell you what, unless someone asks me a question, I’ll not say anything. If I do, it won’t be anything beyond two sentences (until March).
So everyone as noted in Ockas website, MARCH IS THE MONTH!!! We’ll take this as your word. We all know that your word is your bond!
If I’ve not frightened you off, I’ll see you, and everyone else in March.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – February 24, 2008 @ 1:38 am
MikeCheck…
POST ON BROTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sing it again again and again.
You have fans!
Comment by Busting Gut – February 24, 2008 @ 3:33 am
Man oh man!!! Can I call it or can I call it. MikeCheck strikes again!! Yet another long meandering rambling. What else is new? This is just unbelieveable!!! You would think a guy could take a hint. Instead his post have gotten even longer. Incredible!! Man oh man!!
Comment by Gabriel – February 24, 2008 @ 4:18 am
Ocka
What is the name of your web site ? I would like to take a look at what Mike is talking about.
Comment by AB – February 24, 2008 @ 4:41 am
Can someone please provide me with an email address and/or telephone number wher I can contact Stella at?
Comment by Tillie – February 24, 2008 @ 5:58 am
Monica - I should have prefaced my comments by saying that I was an international investment banker for many years. I now am a writer and have written two books on investment fraud, Just Numbers on a Screen, the Pips story, and One Big Fib, now being used as a basis for a TV programme by Kurtis Productions, airing on CNBC on the 26th. of March.
My interest in GPP and these so-called Reverse Pension Plans was due to my having been retained as a consultant to advise a group who had, unfortunately. already donated.
There is absolutely no substance in the claim that these ‘policies’ can be traded. You posted a link, I assume as proof that such things are possible, but clearly failed to read that: ‘In order to sell your policy, it must be a traditional with profits endowment with a surrender value of at least £2,000 and have run at least five years.’
These sort of scams have been around for years in different forms, playing upon the ignorance of the general public in financial matters. An example was the ‘bank debentures’ touted by scamsters for many years.
Reverse Pension Plans are just an updated example designed to separate the unwary from their cash.
Comment by Owen Platt – February 24, 2008 @ 7:17 am
Ben
it stands to reason if you also archive MikeChecks loooooooong mundane ramblings then this site will look much more balancd, some really good postings lately and more participants taking part and MC lovers could view your archive :-).
maybe now we should wait a bit and as was said prepare for any occasion and let GPP know they cannot easily run away.
Comment by extan – February 24, 2008 @ 8:28 am
Found this comment in Judes blog, shes against and this guy has a version. Jude,
I read your comments on why Global Pension Plan would not work, pasted below for your reference. I have the following comments and would appreciate your feedback on my understanding:
If you home is fully paid and has an equity of say 300,000, bank would lend you say, 60% on it using the “reverse†mortgage which enables you to draw cash out of your home equity without having to pay monthly payment for the loan. I assume that the monthly payment comes out of the remaining equity in your home over a certain period of time. Consequently, eventually, your entire equity will be eaten away over a period of time, whereby, you will not own the house but the banker will. If you are exiting at the age of 90 or so, this should be okay as long as your next to kin dont object!
Let us say now instead of the home, you have a paid up endowment insurance policy and it has an asset value of $300,000, meaning that upon your death, your next of kin would receive the face value of the policy. If you however, went to a bank and asked to borrow money against it, I understand that the bank would recognize the equity and loan you money at say, 60% of the value in the form of a reverse mortgage. This means there will be no monthly payments but the deemed payments would come out of the remaining equity in the policy until the policy has no value to you. The bank will eventually own the whole policy with its full value or partial value depending on time elapsed, which the bank would realize upon your death since through the process of the reverse mortgage you have assigned the policy to the bank as a progressively reducing collateral. The bank could also sell the policy as a negotiable security in the open market at a discount to realize partial liquidity.
So as I understand it, between the bank and the insurance company, Global Pension Plan appears to have created this ingenious program, whereby:
Each member could purchase an endowment life insurance policy with a maturity value of 300,000.
Through his/her signature or promisory note, enable the bank to create a reverse mortgage on the policy at 60% of the face value of the insurance. In this case the loan value would be 300,000 x60% =180,000.
Part of the loan would go to pay off the insurance premiums which could be say, 80,000, thereby making it a fully paid up policy with a full face value of 300,000.
The insurance policy would be assigned to the bank in the form of a progressively reducing collateral without the member having to make any monthly payments.
The insurance company would instantly benefit by receiving say, 80,000 x 100,000 members = 8 billion.
The bank could realize the value of the insurance policy as each member passes on less the loan amount to be repaid on the outstanding loan. This too would be in billions.
Consequently, for each member to receive the $79,000 for ages 28 to 66 or $154,000 for ages 1 to 28 is not unreasonable. The commissions of 3000 per referral paid out are also quite palatable from the loan. The signature of the member on the promissory note should be quite safe as each member has assigned the insurance policy (not his house) as a collateral.
The whole process is nothing more than what the banks do to create loans using individual signatures on promissory notes as well as Mortgage backed securities. This is normal banking business done in billions every day and approved legally by the legislatures!!
The only difference is that instead of a mortgage on a real property, it is done on the value of the insurance which too has real monetory value.
Theres more so check out the rest in judes comment page. I cut it down, some of you may have read it already, Its long but hopefully helpful. Sammy
Comment by SM – February 24, 2008 @ 9:00 am
Unfortunately Sammy, that is not so. It is NOT ‘normal banking business done in billions every day’ as any banker will tell you. It is the sort of hogwash designed to promote these scams and delude the ignorant into thinking that 35 euros will bring them unearned riches.
Comment by Owen Platt – February 24, 2008 @ 9:32 am
hi,
Brad Edwards seems to be one of the founders of GPP, his GPP site ends in .tk that should be an island north of Samoa, but one can fool the public where you are or just take the plane to Timbaktu and say its .tk
. But that guy actually has a video on U-Tube and he speaks directly to you, so just save the picture. Wonder why Stella does not have a video, is she ugly or what.
Good luck!!!
Comment by sleuth2800 – February 24, 2008 @ 9:43 am
Busting - I appreciate that! I may have to do that!
Gabriel,
Why don’ you call the next time the closing will be extended. See if you can beat this one… My call is that it wont be Feb!
Ownen,
Yes, I have seen you on other msgbboards… I may grab a copy.
Extan,
Ha HA!!! Man, come one now! This is yet another instances of extreme amusement! He wants to archive my “ramblings”! For example 357,366, 369, and 377! Now I’m supposed to be adding only two scentence comments (if asked a question). I may hace to take Bustings advice if [presented with this nonsense.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – February 24, 2008 @ 3:50 pm
Owen, your input is much appreciated. I am one who has taken a roll of the dice with GPP and hoping, without any logical reason, that something will come of it. I am not one that needs or wants blind positive utterances nor constant repetitive rantings of negativity. I am capable of seeing what everyone else sees at face value such as the lack of contact info, the lack of communication, the lack of….. So these are things that I do not need thrown in my face everytime I read this blog. Though not encouraging, I appreciate your post. I found it to be a different source of insight/information and thankfully without emotion. I am one looking for lucid input/information whether it be encouraging or not so.
Comment by Gabriel – February 24, 2008 @ 6:11 pm
Hi everyone, there is a new post on GPP-site, quite interesting but also quite long!
Comment by Blade68 – February 24, 2008 @ 6:31 pm
Thanks Gabriel. I see no reason to berate people for their decisions and I do offer my comments from experience in the financial arena. Bearers of bad news are not often appreciated, understandably I suppose.
Without wishing to be repetitious, GPP have so many red flags that it looks like Moscow on May Day!
Comment by Owen Platt – February 24, 2008 @ 6:42 pm
Sleuth,
Dot Tk is a free domain service, so it doesn’t denote where the server or owner is, unfortunately. The web is getting increasingly more anonymous.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.tk
I have seen that video, and to be honest, he couldn’t sell me a darn thing.
Comment by zippy – February 24, 2008 @ 6:57 pm
if its all “totally legal and honest” so why this fear about us and our banks and our problems with them? why this fear to be investigated if everything is legal (with a sufficient documentation)?
if the payout is done, why the program could fail! the program can fail bevore the payout, not after…(?)
(questions)….!
Comment by monica – February 24, 2008 @ 7:53 pm
I haven’t been able to get on GPP for weeks…
well this is pretty much it for Feb. and there is no payout.
The scam goes on….
Mike keep posting man…. you have many many many valid points… I truly enjoy reading your post.
I’m sure Stella and the crew enjoy them too…because they are so close to the truth
Comment by Busting Gut – February 24, 2008 @ 8:00 pm
Thanks for that Blade68. I noticed that we cant or are not allowed to post or paste any of its content into general public. So I guess our site must get read. Very Interesting. Can we comment to each other - in our own words on what is posted though? Any one Know? Sammy!
Comment by SM – February 25, 2008 @ 3:14 am
SM,
Why can’t you share a segment of that post from YOUR site? Far as I know, the general public is not supposed to know about this anyway! Surely, this can be shared with the members here?
Aren’t people having problems getting into the site anyway?
Busting,
Man, you are right! I simply cannot just stop posting… Especially with what I’m finding now! My friend, I’m going to make you proud!
Stella,
I’d suggest that you make a statement to your policy holders…
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – February 25, 2008 @ 4:34 am
SM,
Man, I reread my posting. I meant, OUR site! Almost sounds as if I was calling you out. Sorry about that (Esp. as we are on the same page)!
On that note, is it possible to use a link? I’m just interested to see it. What are your thoughts on that info?
SM, again, I’m finding info that will make you proud!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – February 25, 2008 @ 4:58 am
Are you able to get into the GPP site MC?
There is a new posting in there.
I couldn’t get in for a long time and I just kept deleting my cookies in the computer every day a couple of times a day and suddenly I got in.
As blade quoted earlier its quite long but interesting.
Comment by SM – February 25, 2008 @ 6:03 am
my posting about that .tk posting was first removed out of this blog and then re-instated, it was rightly reported that this .tk was probably used from another physical place, see the wikipeda link. “There are reports that .tk domains have been used for publishing scams and spam.”
Anyway placing the name of the alledged GPP founder may have been wrong but be has a GPP video on U-Tube with his name thick over the screen and I have saved a copy (jpg pic) that may be of interest to Interpol to squeeze him out should GPP not pay out. QED!
Have not yet read GPP’s latest posting, may be positive after all, really hope!
Comment by sleuth2008 – February 25, 2008 @ 6:55 am
The person who runs the .tk site and Brad Edwards are two different people.
“Euken” runs the globalpensionplan.tk site. You can find more information regarding him fairly easily.
Brad Edwards site is here: http://bradedwardsdesigns.com and again more info is readily available by searching and whois.
The three sites listed in BVINC’s profile (the You Tube ID of the person posting the video) are:
http://www.TodaysPension.com
http://www.UnitedFinancialFreedom.com
http://www.Forex-EZ.com
The first links to a John Lester in Dallas TX who runs a company called Unicorp and some others that you can find by searching with the whois address and following the links from there.
The second and third are other sites run by Brad Edwards (among many others).
I’ve looked at both quite a bit at all of the above and it doesn’t appear to me that any have a direct role in GPP other than as early referral whores. Could be proven wrong about that but I don’t see it at least.
There’s another who is more interesting but I’ll wait until I have things well documented before posting.
Comment by JH – February 25, 2008 @ 7:32 am
JH - yes, you are correct. Those people have nothing to do with the running (if that’s the right word!) of GPP. They are merely promoters.
GPP traces back to Eastern Europe and almost certainly to Russia. There was an egregious error committed by them in the early days when they were foolish enough to use Western Union and an address in Estonia in order to collect funds.
These RPP scams are primarily IT driven, i.e. the basis is a a computer script which can be replicated easily. It is unlikely that Stella even exists except as a Russian computer person.
Whether the various promoters are paid or are merely living on the promises of payment in the future, I know not.
Comment by Owen Platt – February 25, 2008 @ 8:05 am
EAT YOUR HEART OUT!!
Well I read through the last posting of GPP’s Forum and I believe my previous postings were not far off the mark, sometimes even using a different name (surely not MC!!!). During my schooltime they called me Jakkals, an Afrikaans name for you know what. Oviously in the end we need two teams and I think good work has been done! But this last posting by Stella and Team must be taken as the result of all endeavours and all those negative “ramblers” will now start crying more then ever, or they can be clever and still become GPP members or loose out, that payout may take some time and I’m satisfied about their valid circumstances and that’s the bottom line. That posting cannot be posted here, you have to read it yourself, they basically have to wait for the new banking licence to get “done”, everything else is in place, there is no way back. Of course really negative guys who will find fault anyway, so be it, well they call my family as being negative and very critical
Comment by extan – February 25, 2008 @ 11:51 am
Extan,
Who’s to say that I (the negative guy) will find fault in this statement. Perhaps someone who can access this could provide a wrap up of what this says?
You say I’d be crying. No, I would be quite happy. I don’t think that I’ve heard much about someone being sad because they have run into helpfull monies (other than those lottery winners who did not manage ther money correctly).
Might I ask who you are reffering to when you say your family? I don’t get your meaning on that.
In order to access this site, why must coockies continue to be deleted? Nothing like I’ve seen before.
O.K. what did you say about a valid circumstance about no payout?
Are you saying something like, say um… No FEBRUAURY PAYOUT? Hmmm… I’m trying to remember… Oh, Yes, yes I did say that!
March is still not here, but seeing is believeing. Couple more days, or did this message state some VALID reason why this would not happen until next month, or the month after that?
Shortly I’ll ask about the status of your banking solution. Got a new bank yet? By new I mean… NEWLY created internet bank?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – February 25, 2008 @ 2:28 pm
Dear Mike,
If you can not log into the website of GPP, it means you are not an active member and most certainly you are not entitled to privileged information which is for GPP members only.
JL
Comment by JL – February 25, 2008 @ 3:21 pm
If I might enter a dash of commonsense here. Why would a new bank be needed? There are plenty already licensed and obtaining a licence from even the most lax of recognised jurisdictions is hardly an overnight affair.
And as all banks have to operate through one or other of the recognised clearing banks, a new bank has to operate under exactly the same rules and restrictions that apply globally.
I well remember the Pips bank……………..!
Comment by Owen Platt – February 25, 2008 @ 3:24 pm
Well as always,new info for us the priveleged members,and of course we respect the rules and do not share this highly important business information with no members
Since we are so priveleged to be members of this fantastic organisation,and will receive enough money to live happily ever after
Only one thing I have heard something like this before and ooops one got his finger chopped off by someone and then they paid
Comment by dina – February 25, 2008 @ 3:53 pm
Hi Mike,
My happy negative family: 1 brother and 2 sisters!
My girlfriend JL just told you a valid reason, even though it may sound a bit restricted.
Just imagine you receiced by some new method/good marketing a lot of money, made some mistakes and learned a lot, etc. Soon somebody will get jealous, inform the banks: “hey here is someone that wants to take our business away, lets do something about that, those bloody new rich,not having to pay bank fees, etc, boycot them” If this happens on a grand scale also because of negative and stupid reactions, what would you do, put the money under your mattress. Well the way the share market currently goes that may be a good idea, but what about your clients who each need an account. That is more or less how the cookie is crumbling and since this blogs management is basically calling GPP a scam we should protect our investment and heed to GPP’s request. Wil do!
Payout I guess maybe March or April, whatever time it takes, even if you want it yesterday, not being a member. You can still join, go for it and stop this nonsense
Comment by extan – February 25, 2008 @ 4:12 pm
sorry Owen, your reaction…. and Dina, wow! But if you read through GPPs latest posting (for me it was an eye opener, I have some shrink background/hobby) all those things are taken into account, so it will take some time.
What do you think why are there so many banks????
Take care!
Comment by extan – February 25, 2008 @ 4:31 pm
Extan - my point was why would there be a need for a new bank? What possible advantage would there be? All banks (legitimate ones anyway) have to conform to the same principles of due diligence and knowing their customer so what would be the point? And, as I said, all have to work through one or other of the major clearing banks in the world. Without such correspondent accounts, a new bank is useless.
Comment by Owen Platt – February 25, 2008 @ 4:40 pm
Owen - You’re right of course. There is no valid reason. As you say, there’s certainly no shortage of “banking solutions,” both legitmate and less than so.
They already are supposed to have a bank that’s so involved that for whatever reason it’s willing to accept a 1.2% return on billions invested.
Creating a “virtual bank” along the lines of First Oceanic as described here in post #19 above requires no “license” other than for appearances since it’s a “bank” only in name alone. As the routing for receiving payments demonstrates, such a bank actually is simply a series of obscured accounts to launder money. It will have no ability to interact with legitimate banks. You might as well print up the license yourself since no other clearing banks will do business with it. And that’s exactly what they did in the case of First Oceanic Bank. Any funds held there effectively will be “virtual funds” and useless to anyone without an equally sketchy means to move the funds to other laundered accounts.
The “banking solution” story is just another contrived detail to build confidence (as the term is used in “con game”) and to buy more time to collect more funds and to draw focus away from overwhelming evidence of a complete fraud.
Comment by JH – February 25, 2008 @ 6:16 pm
Hi Owen,
sure it makes sense to keep to a big international bank (such as HSBC) smaller banks are gobbled up by them and they make it difficult to start a new bank, one can also buy an existing bank licence for a legitimately reason, because other shitty banks not wanting your ALLEDGED “scam” money. Then you get certain progressive countries that are not so pig headed like some European/Ami banks and all those internal problems are much easier and they can still go through the big clearing- and or local reserve- banks, obviously to make things work properly.
It has much to do with abused monetary methods or unfortunate negative/jealous reactions so that virtually nobody NEW will be ok, no matter what. The problem is also to suddenly deposit big sums into your normally lame bank account (George Bush will blow his gasket, terrorist money, grrrr!) for the same reason so it is much better to have an intermediate LEGAL bank where you can draw money to your own bank a/c at a reduced rate so they do not wet their pants.
Just try to market a NEW 100% herbal cure for cancer and see how the chemical industry will take you to court, etc. and you have to market it through a friendly counry!
Comment by extan – February 25, 2008 @ 6:32 pm
Extan’s post seems to be rationalizing the why and how of money-laundering. If the big banks are refusing to handle it, then they must see something illegitimate about the gleaning of those funds.
Comment by zippy – February 25, 2008 @ 6:46 pm
Exactly Zippy. As typical for these online investment scams, on one hand they represent all aspects as above board and legal involving established major companies, registered trusts, established banks and investment vehicles, etc., yet on the other hand they disregard all applicable laws and regulations, actively hide virtually every aspect of the program to avoid oversight by the “pesky authorities” and employ numerous means to launder money.
Sorry, it’s either one or the other. They’re either legit or not. If they are, then they’re subject to all of the requirements and disclosures that comes along with that. They can’t be both at the same time.
Comment by JH – February 25, 2008 @ 7:24 pm
[Edit by Ben: Please be aware that this poster has the same IP address as "extan"]
JH,
you’ve obviously not read GPP’s forum and are probably not a member so i’M SO SAD YOU ARE LOSING OUT, and I’m dreaming of a lazy life, real very soon! Anyway I can’t help that so I rather do my pacman work.
Will see all the disgrunted postings on this blog as GPP gets positive!!!!!
Comment by pacman eats negeative – February 25, 2008 @ 7:25 pm
But Extan, I can assure you as an offshore banker for many years myself, one cannot BUY a bank licence. They are not for sale, unless you believe the fraudulent claims of many so-called offshore experts.
In order to be able to process deposits etc., all banks, even some quite large ones, have to work through correspondent banks such as HSBC etc. and these will not accept as correspondents, any bank that does not adhere to the internationally accepted standards of KYC and anti-money laundering regulations.
In fact, a newly licensed bank will be under much greater scrutiny from the regulatory authorities than a large and well established one.
The claim that this is a banking solution is as specious as is the rest of the gobbledygook.
Comment by Owen Platt – February 25, 2008 @ 7:34 pm
pacman, as my previous posts demonstrate I obviously have reviewed and analysed in detail GPPs claims. I can provide 20+ independently verifiable points in evidence that GPP is nothing more than a typical online investment scam. Can you post ANYTHING that can be verified showing that it is legitmate? Anything at all? And note that the generic descriptions of TEP markets on the blogs of various individuals with a vested interest in promoting this scam don’t count for any more than a similar description of stock or FOREX trading apply to any individual investment.
I’m definitely not a member and I’ll be losing nothing here because I’ve seen the same scam run in various forms many, many times before and I have enough common sense to recognize a blatant scam when I see it.
Now please enlighten all here with your extensive “due dilligence” demonstrating that this is legitmate in any way.
Comment by JH – February 25, 2008 @ 9:56 pm
NOTE TO BEN: I’m taking the liberty of copying your standard warning here in slightly modified form to fit. Please edit as you feel necessary. (Edit by Ben: Thanks JH!)
Warning, this post contains a link to TG and MMG - boards that are well known for allowing the promotion of various so-called “investment†schemes. Please be careful if you decide to follow the links.
As an illustrative example generally and with respect to RPPs in particular, and since I know some here have invested in a number of these programs, it might be instructive to take a look at a post that I made elsewhere recently showing who’s really behind the World Pension Plus program.
http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2415222&postcount=18
Bottom line is that it’s a fraud. Rather than as it is represented on their site, it’s actually just a couple of lower-level MLM and HYIP players who set up a web site telling the same BS story to con money from people. I can assure you that the same exists in the case of GPP, just involving different somewhat higher-level players.
Comment by JH – February 25, 2008 @ 10:25 pm
this is the latest posting on the “TeamTHEMCO” site, I have tried to keep positive about GPP but this sounds like a way to cram in a lot of new contracts quickly by playing on peoples good nature. make up your own minds people!
GPP - Many ways to skin a cat - the caption introducing the launch of ‘FSCF’
When we were preparing the weekly TIME LINE FORECAST for Stella and GPP, TeamTHEMCO enjoyed a close working relationship with Stella and a number of benefits. During the early period Stella even set up an instant messaging service for us to communicate.
Since the GPP membership passed the 100K mark and the TIME LINE FORECAST no longer required, the relationship has waned naturally, with Stella wrestling with her own admin problems and the desire to bring the transaction to a successful conclusion.
Having not been blessed with children herself, Stella is motivated by the desire for GPP to succeed, so that she can donate her GPP Charity fund €1,000,000 to the various children’s causes that she has identified, as needing support.
At this stage in the transaction, having regard for what we need to achieve, we have been wracking our brains to find a way to attract Stella’s attention and gain her favour and co-operation again. We have come to the conclusion that we should appeal to her desire to raise funds for the children.
We see that we are going to need Stella’s support in connection with the presentation of the bank accounts and particularly with regard to providing a letter from the disbursement bank, to conclusively demonstrate that the funds are clean and clear and not generated from criminal activities. Without this letter, no bank will accept the funds, so this is very important that it is in the correct format.
So what we propose is a ’Friends of Stella’s Charity Fund’ (FSCF). We will administer it, maintain a ‘Roll of Donors’ and mail Stella regularly as milestones are reached, including providing updated details of the ‘Roll of Donors’. We hope that all of the TeamTHEMCO will see the benefit from supporting this fund, if only to acknowledge the tremedous effort Stella has put in on our behalf or share some of your GPP benefits with children battling with a poor start to their young lives.
We hate having to ask you to put your hands in your pockets, or purse, again, but a minimum of €20/£15 per member -Themco will absorb the costs - is a small price to pay for the benefits it is likely to yield in co-operation from Stella. Once again we will use the principle of leverage/gearing to maximise the donation by purchasing Additional Policies.
Consequently each member will effectively donate a minimum of €55,000, plus the €2,000 Loyalty Reward that Themco will contribute, giving a total of €57,000. Please feel free to donate a commensurate amount if you are expecting a substantial sum from GPP or have a number of members in your family, which many of you do. The impact should be dramatic and for a very good cause.
We will kick off the fund with €200.00 which will generate €550,000, half Stella’s original fund already. We have bounced this idea off a number of Team Leaders and the reaction has been unanimous so far. This leads us to suggest that €10 Million is a bankable, €20 Million is achieveable and with €25 Million the target. Relate this to Stella’s fund of €1 Million.
Our only concern is that we do not have much time to create an impact, so we are going to have to get our skates on. If you get the opportunity to promote it to your downline please do so, every little helps. Just direct them to this post on BLOG TeamTHEMCO and accept our thanks for your support.
The Roll of Donors will have you listed by your GPP username so the next time you mail Stella sign off with your username followed by “FSCF†i.e. ‘AA2000-FSCF’.
When we come to fill in the GPP Agreement Form, insert ‘FSCF Donor’ in the space in the Charity section, since your username can be cross referenced to your username on the Roll of Donors. This is why each member should support this initiative.
If you think you have had to work hard on this opportunity, then Stella has had to work much, much harder, so this will be an appropriate gesture of appreciation for her efforts and she will see it that way.
As the fund grows, we will approach the subject of the help we would like from her and hopefully any e-mails sent to Stella by ‘FSCF Donors’ will be treated sympathetically.
Whatever the outcome, some more kids are going to benefit.
Read the ‘Charity’ section of the website, just the last four posts re the “Bread for Kids†Charity. You will see that Stella responds to these communications. So let us get her to respond to ours. I know that we can be accused of using the Charity to create an advantage, but let’s face it, all normal forms of communication are not capturing her attention and we must get her attention at this important stage.
We hope that you see this as a tangible solution, to the many of you who have asked how to deal with filling in the question on the GPP Agreement, concerning donations to Stella’s charity, whilst at the same time making a substantial contribution for a relatively small outlay.
E-mails with pledges whilst funds are being sent would help.
February 25, 2008 Posted by teamthemco | GPP | | No Comments
Comment by Blade68 – February 25, 2008 @ 10:41 pm
The post from teamThemco is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read in my life. It sounds just like one of those Nigerian emails. Give me a break!!!
Comment by Gabriel – February 26, 2008 @ 1:16 am
Blade68,
You stole my thunder… I was going to make everyone proud to unveil this extreeme nonsense! I’ll tell you, I wouldn’t have believed it unless I saw it myself!
I mean, it like just when you think that you’ve heard it all… Well you havent! That is simply the most preposturous! Ok, Stella is doing us this great benefit (to include not anwering any ouf us save some circle talking). Please tell me how in the world do they have the gaul to ask for more money! I just have to… You know this is just too much to believe!
When I first heard about this FSCF, I said to myself that the members would simply not believe this one… I still can’t and I’m reading it again! Extan, please tell me that this is a joke! It is not funny however. Quite sad.
I contine to ask straight questions. Allow me to ask a retorical question to everyone:
1) Why would a bank, insurance provider or anyone, in effect, give money away? Let’s think about this. We are providing $40 for some entity to turn this into a Mint. Let’s see here, they will provide us a large sum of money for us to receive today that will take them 40 yrs to get back (not taking into consideration the continua devaluation of money). — In one respect this sounds like Wimpy from Popeye (an old cartoon, for those not aware). “I’ll glady pay you Tuesday for a burger today…
2) If this is such a great money maker, why haven’t others with thousands, to Millions of dollars join in such a program?
Perhaps because it does not make sense. Why wouln’t the provider just invest their own money into “Their Own” program? Surely they’d have enough sense to join such a beneficial plan!
Money must come from somewhere!
Can you say money laundering, Can you say scam? I CAN!
To say this again however…. Can you believe this FSCF? It’s hard to believe that someone would fall for this! I have no words on this one…
Extan,
Lastly, money is money. A bank does not know about where it has come from. I haven’t heard that.
You sound mighty emotional on the transferring of this money… What’s your cut?
Comment by MikeCheck – February 26, 2008 @ 1:59 am
Extan,
Did you say March or April? You really should not let those words come out of your mouth. Remember I said something about your word being your bond?
AS I SAID, February is almost over.
How about providing Owen with a response. I’ll bet that you won’t address this in your next statement.
Everyone let’s hold our breath as we wait for our amusing non answer…
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – February 26, 2008 @ 2:17 am
Well all that reading is making me dizzy. wow!
I have wondered something for a while and I hope its not the CASE, but, My thoughts were along the lines of:
What if gpp do pay out, and if we all have to use their banking solution, Every ones money would there for be deposited into their banking solution, and we may not know where it is based.
Wouldn’t that allow them to withdraw all that money, once they have our ID’s and signatures. One could withdraw funds with that wouldn’t you say.
JUST A THEORY!
P.S To Mike Check, I dont know what to beieve with the GPP. Im just waiting to see what happens. Still holding some hope and trusting in my leaders. As I do not believe any ones intentions with the GPP
have been deliberately misleading in any way. I myself truley belived that I was helping others by signing people up.
Not to say that I would any more though.
Comment by SM – February 26, 2008 @ 5:55 am
I don’t think you need to worry about that, SM. I hardly think the “banking solution” is possible.
First, I don’t care where you go, you must have a CV with prior experience and banking qualifications, and Stella obviously does not. Next, she will NOT be capable of setting up any corresponding relations, since these are reliant upon prior banking experience, and being squeaky clean in the business world, which Stella is not by the very fact that she has conducted this entire sham without one ounce of transparency as required by world-wide securities laws.
I could go on with many more points but suffice it to say that I have known accredited organizations, who have dotted all the right “i”s and crossed all the “t” s, to take 4 YEARS to get their licence.
Stella will not make it past the scrutiny, and should she get the Cereal box version available in some countries, it will unfortunately be unable to communicate with other banks, through whom one must be able to transfer money if it’s to get into the hands of its’ members.
You must remember that if you have an account with Stellabank, which will of course be disallowed from operating IN ANY CAPACITY in Europe or North America, and she has no corresponding relations, due to the nature of the manner in which the initial funds were collected, NO bank will be involved with money that could possibly be considered “on the way to the laundry”.
Comment by zippy – February 26, 2008 @ 6:35 am
SM - don’t think you need worry about that. There is no payout for them to steal!
Comment by Owen Platt – February 26, 2008 @ 6:55 am
Owen - Never underestimate the creativity of scammers. At this point it wouldn’t surprise me much if they drag this out long enough to see “virtual payouts” made into the “banking solution.” Of course only to have some complication that causes these funds not to be available to members. At least not for free anyway. ; )
But point taken - no real payouts in any case.
Comment by JH – February 26, 2008 @ 7:16 am
Ah yes, JH, there may be an ‘administrative fee’ involved in order to get your funds released from the Bank of Toyland.
Comment by Owen Platt – February 26, 2008 @ 7:44 am
[Edit by Ben: I don't see any need for the level of profanity in this post so I am censoring it]
Published Without Prejudice!
Well, I have predicted all these negative letters as GPP gets serious!! I will not use names but these letters are from the biggest A******S full of dirty s**t that I have come accross, heap of scum! Sorry I can not see it any other way. You do not seem to have any sense of compassion, knowledge of human souls, can’t read between the lines, are outright malicious and do not know any claen human nature even though not perfect, just your sick set of mind.
Most of you are not even members so where is the problem, why don’t you rather preoccupy yourself with your loved ones, make a good job of it!?
What do I have to answer to anybody not being a member and breathing his last breath??
Like Oka I have decided to bow out of this s****y blog, initially I thought there was some merrit to this endeavour, but now I see it is absolutely poisonous and downright sick!! You will soon get red eyes, GPP has a good plan, we have more info to tell us that, we will also pledge a big sum for the childrens fund and plan to help other needy friends. I’m satisfied that Stella is just as sick of these negative idiots (she did not think humans can be so crappy) and has closed the lines for these people and for that to almost everyone, that’s all, she is also after a dream and she is for real.
Please note that since recently this blog eats 100 Megs of ADSL “data memory” every time because it scans in the complete document even though you write only say 3 lines, it was much better recently, so I rather download positive movies!
Bye!
Comment by extan – February 26, 2008 @ 9:21 am
Spoken like a true cheerleader.
Comment by Owen Platt – February 26, 2008 @ 10:59 am
Well, Extan , you have a rather foul-mouth for a lady, and I really fail to see anything here which deserves such a tirade.
This has little to do with compassion, I have heard so many say “What the heck? It’s only $40″, where would compassion be needed if this is considered as no loss.
The reality is that, while Stella may be chock-full of good intentions, she failed to plan. All of this, trust partners, banking solution, should have been set in stone before she had the website built.
If it came apart, then it can only be from a lack of business acumen to ensure that parties involved would stay involved and within certain maxims, or risk litigation, AND also, from a disregard for common law.
You, Extan, have no reason to get so huffy and rude, I have only stated the banking situation in the true light, with no intention of tearing anything down. If you read the local papers, you’d see that even Sir Richard Branson couldn’t get a banking licence to take over a bank (which was already there and licenced in itself) due to his lack of prior banking experience.
Don’t yell at everyone else because you don’t like the way the real world is. We didn’t make it, madam, we just live in it.
Comment by zippy – February 26, 2008 @ 11:08 am
Well having read the latest GPP update on their website I must say that is a relief… not. Of course we are not allowed to give details but I will say that me thinks the lady doth protest too much…
I have been doing due dilligence on Reverse Pension Plans in every way I can and I keep hearing from several sources both internet and non- internet that a Russian and a chinese plan have paid out and are being discussed on forums but cannot get any verification of this- anyone help? I know from past business dealings in Russia that the banks will not allow money to be sent out of the country without a valid fulfilled contract- so if there has been a payout it must either have been a validly fulfilled contract or only available and paid out internally. As for a chinese plan- is that even possible with the state control of everything?
These schemes are being actively promoted and now there are several of them- most of them a good deal smaller than GPP- around the 5000 to 27000 member limits- if it is possible to do this (and I remain positively skeptical but willing to be converted) can it be that GPP has been over ambitious and can’t actually run and complete a scheme of this size? Is that going to be the next delay? “due to difficulties of size, members will receive payments in staggered amounts of 5000 members at a time…”
Comment by Goosey – February 26, 2008 @ 12:20 pm
[Edit by Ben: Please be aware that this poster has the same IP address as "extan"]
Zippy, I think you may have it wrong, it is very unlikely that Stella tries to get her own bank, that does not make sense from what she said, you know about the service industry… if the big banks or whoever are difficult, somebody will make a plan for you, let the others lose out, because where there is money there is a way!! I still know about when we had sanctions in the bad old days, I worked in the airforce and hey we could get AMI weapons from our enemies, big stamp of the mid-eastern country, we had a big laugh. Just need to be streetwise, everything will work out ok, we WILL get our money.
Comment by John2004 – February 26, 2008 @ 4:07 pm
John2004, I really hope it pays out, merely from the point of the drama being placed upon members from the constant delays and plan changes. But, I’ve backed a lot of longshots in my day, and this one is too long.
If Branson with his billions, couldn’t get a licence for an already licenced bank (and everyone knows who he is) it still remains that the corresponding relations will not be available, and the FSA and Central Banks system will, as Stella said, place a world-wide injunction on funds coming from it.
Unless she plans for the members to have to fly to East Pakalua (I made that up) to use their debit/ATM cards, I foresee problems.
But, if it works,…if any of these work,..that will be the model for others. So far, I’ve heard of none working, and as for Russian and Chinese projects,…isn’t it funny that the regions where we don’t get much info would be the places of reported success? I hardly think this is true. The Chinese gov’t executes those who play around with the status quo, especially in non-traditional money matters.
Comment by zippy – February 26, 2008 @ 7:40 pm
Extan,
This a quote from you: “(for me it was an eye opener, I have some shrink background/hobby)”. Maybe after your last posting you should resort to that background of yours, and get some shrink to help you with your issues. If you’re so sure about GPP, and know it in your heart that GPP is for real, then nothing that anybody in this blog says shouldn’t affect you the way it did. Either you’re one of the most naive person I’ve run across to, or you found out it’s a scam and you’re pissed that it’s about to unfold soon, because you probably talked lots of people into joining GPP.
To mikecheck and other “cynical/negative/sick” people:
Debating these GPP believers is like trying to play chess with a pigeon — it knocks the pieces over, craps on the board, and flys back to its flock to claim victory.
Aren’t I right?
Comment by Rokka – February 26, 2008 @ 7:43 pm
Yeah Zippy anything is possible, credit cards are still easy to use to purchase products or services via the internet after 9-11. Debit cards are easier to get and only have to be set up to tranfer funds, which I can also do with big tranfers with my c/a debit card, so that’s the way to go.
About GPP I would say that GPP’s last posting is an eye opener unless one is blind, (some people seem to be triple blind) it is inconceivable that everything is a blatant lie and people that personally know Stella (and team) would absolutely stand by her. She did NOT have to say anything and wrote in such detail, it would be very strange to be otherway. Sure nothing is quite normal as per professional conduct, but other cultures act differently and may still be excellent business conductors!! We simply have to wait, I’m happy!
Comment by John2004 – February 26, 2008 @ 8:10 pm
[Edit by Ben: Please be aware that this poster has the same IP address as "extan"]
rokka rokka you are sicko, join mike checker, blah, blah blah
Comment by crapping pigeon – February 26, 2008 @ 8:17 pm
I wouldn’t rely too much on logic as far as the detail presented. I’ve seen many more highly detailed descriptions and plans and actions associated with other scams that defy reason. A common theme among those involved is “If they’re not real, then why would they…” Unfortunately, there’s no correlation between what is said and what is done and the viability of such programs. In fact you can argue equally the opposite since that’s the nature of the term “con” in “con job,” i.e., to build confidence on the part of participants in the story told surrounding the scam.
I’ve seen nothing that says “Stella” is a real person any more than thousands of other names (usually English-sounding) have been used in many other similar online investment scams. Typically, what’s behind the names used is a composite of several individuals involved.
And with respect to the “team” there appears to be none as related by “Neverland” in a post regarding “Stella” having to handle all of the mail herself although they’ve gone back and forth on that point a various times.
Comment by JH – February 26, 2008 @ 8:30 pm
Some information
We have set up a team of 4 former legion members to hunt down the people behind GPP,first only to confront them with the situation and get some real information
We have success as we have discovered some of them and also where they are
Also we have worked with some people inside the moneytransfer system so we will get detailed information about whom have recieved the transfers in RiGA and the other spots sent some time ago
We are moving there to take care of theese people and when we are in contact with them we will for sure get all needed information
We always get the information we want ,we have an outstanding record for that and our metods
We are not working with lawyers ,we are streetpeople and problemsolvers in a direct way
I think the time has come to face the truth,and get the people responsible for this business to face their clients,and we will make it happen
So in a short while something will change here
Comment by dina – February 26, 2008 @ 9:42 pm
Extan,
I have got to say, you sure do provide a good laugh almost every day! Ha, getting pretty angry that those dollars are not flowing into your pocket anymore (at least slowing down) huh? Ha! Everyone, why should anyone such as this be so very defensive.
So, it looks like we did kick you out of this blog. Bowing out huh? More like running w/ your head between your legs… A cowards way out I’d say.
I actually expected as much. I’ll bet that the rest will follow as the dollars dry up…
As for those who are sad that Extan has left, well he hasn’t. Another screen name, another identity…. Similar to GPP’s other servers and other shady characteristics… This is not seemingly curious, it is extreemly suspect. Let’s alow him to leave and download other positive movies! That’s great!
My friends, this sounds so very much like a group of people in an internet cafe’. I must say that I am impressed that this scam could be such a money maker (for them, of course)! This sickens me.
Extan,
Do us all a favor and identify yourself as one person insead of all of these crazy screen names.
All,
I’ll tell you something that’s funny. I was on another board on GPP. I posed a couple of straight questions, then all of a sudden I got this error stating that I was “Flagged by the Spam Filter”! I think that I said this before… Nonetheless, this must be managed by a GPP member. A couple of my msgs all of a sudden dissapeared! Truth sometimes hurts…
As mentioned before, I find that these scams are just terrible. Good people, wanting to do good things for others, buying policies, inviting others to join the ride, and other related situations… That is just… I’ll tell you, I just have no words to explain how angry I am that GPP would sting people along for sooooo very long!
Four days till March! Ask your girl Stella how this bogus Banking solution is going. What’s that? Another problem in establishing this “solution” yet again? Oh, next month it’ll be ready! Ok. Sounds good to me! I guess that they will tell us that shortly.
Oh, might I ask how that fund for Stella is going? I’m still somewhat amused at that! Goodness, let’s reward her for illuding questions, not providing information, hiding all and any “supposed” activity, and providing us with statements and answers which go around in circles and provides neither answers or… anything!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – February 27, 2008 @ 3:58 am
Hey I read your site and have a personal family member involved in this GPP. every day I can see them reading this site and the forum and i have to say it is a big let down that they are getting nothin from the GPP.
I have never bin a positive person but they keep beleivin that this will pay them out.
I hope so and when the post from dina came on they were blown away and totally confused.
We talk about this all the time and I kinda get it, we share all internet info and ideas as we are close and Im a bit peeved that they cant seem to eva have an answer.
I recon that when I went for my housing loan for an investment property recently and they kept telling me they had an answer tomorrow and kept coming up with excuses not to approve Id tellem where to go. Next!
Pitty what you say mikecheck seems to be happenin.
Just buttn in. for a friend and dont see why someone should jump down me throat either,K.
Comment by omen – February 27, 2008 @ 5:56 am
Well thank you for that am very moved. I guess some people do care. thank you omen… Just so you know my hubby had a bit of a comment here and I must say was very nice of him. Told me when I got home.
Ive some days been very upset about the way people treat each other on this site and even though, this comment is not about the GPP as such, I think its relevant because people can be so nasty and they do not need to be. Wont mention any names.
I say, make a point without the aggression Its obviously not really us your frustrated at. You must be cranky inside subconsciously about something else ay!!! I don’t think Ben started this blog to read vicious comments for his amusement. Sammy!
Comment by SM – February 27, 2008 @ 8:25 am
Hi Ben,
sorry this place is sometimes like an internet cafe, many friends visiting and busy on our computers also trading forex (yes MC we also watching movies, etc.)so whatever happens please don’t get paranoid about IP adresses because it must be a terrible boring job, in particular that MC now appears to be all over your website repeating the same stuff in every post, like a big fly in one of those smelly houses ssssssssss!! But maybe you like it like that because you like to fight legal systems as scam, good for you?!
I see Dina now plays Rambo and Night Rider, wow, quite an assemble of “dangerous characters”, I start to shiver. It stands to reason that Stella and Co are well protected because of all the sickos in this world, maybe soon a big war
, remember John Lennon, high trees catch the wind and I think he did not deserve that, he did create wonderful tunes, etc!
Could somebody please tell MC that Stella WILL NOT answer any letters, no need for that, she has treated most pressing questions in her last mail and has better things to do than to waste her time with strange humans just wanting to be negative and downright childish and difficult.
And JH… die ongelowige Thomas, let me tell you we know people that have worked with GPP, they are real for sure and are doing a good job, don’t worry!!
Comment by extan – February 27, 2008 @ 9:02 am
For anyone who think this is a game just watch what happens soon,we are just doing what is needed and do not expect to earn a lot of money from it ,more important to nail theese people
So far it is only expences and not like 30 or 40 euros but more like 10.000 usd,but we have resourses and money will not stop us
We like wars ,that is our life for the past 20 years so protection is just another word,nobody is protected
Comment by dina – February 27, 2008 @ 9:30 am
I took a look back a bit and I don’t get weather your for or against GPP. In No.83 etc comment It seems as though you are frustrated with GPP. Guess you are changing your mind all the time like me. I cant make heads or tales of why you are Cranky.
And also this maybe nothing but you have changed you sign out name to lower case. It was in upper case for so long. Is it really you still? And don’t blast my head off either. I find it hard to believe that the old EXTAN would be this way.
Comment by SM – February 27, 2008 @ 9:37 am
Does that mean Extan, John2004, and crapping pigeon are the same poster?
And , if so, what the heck is wrong with him? Does he need that $35? (I can’t even remember the price, now)
Comment by zippy – February 27, 2008 @ 10:33 am
Some entries really flabbergast me, some we have to ignore. By the way ZIPPY, you are right, maybe try some other names as well, if that is really important, I’m a jackal after all :-).
My real name is on the internet having discovered an extremely hidden scientific effect(very useful)at my previous work (p/o magnetism), being often quoted and having published in Elsevier Science, etc. So why not have some fun, always experimenting… makes me laugh a lot and don’t have go to the shrink!
Dina, real mercenaries do not advertise their real intensions!
Hi Sammy, in posting 83 GPP was suddenly off for one week after non-stop operation for ca. 3 years, like an implosion. As reported the situation has changed dramatically (eye opening) but that does not mean that I could revert back to Dina’s tactics if things change drastically again. However using simple aquired human behaviour knowledge (Theories of Personally, etc.)I’m pretty sure that GPP is now commited to be on the right track, (due to the sum of all reasonable actions) so Dina’s stuff is now really uncalled for, does not make any sense at all, misdirected action!!
Comment by EXTAN: extant=still exist – February 27, 2008 @ 12:10 pm
personality wars… happens whenever the hormones get flowing… Can we all make a pact to keep this GPP related and avoid the personal attacks that have made this blog such difficult reading at times?
Comment by Goosey – February 27, 2008 @ 12:36 pm
WOW!!!
I must say:
Before I was going to Switzerland for weekend I thought this blog is on a better way…
But…I’m back now and this is devastating…
It’s like some of the members are becoming more insane with every new post they are excreting. It’s like a disease…
We have this little “guerilla-girl” and “foam-at-the-mouth-mike” and and and…
All adults in here? Someone should check that out.
In Germany we say Kindergarten and i reckon you know this as well.
So get well soon!
Comment by Socke – February 27, 2008 @ 3:32 pm
Goosey!
)
A belated response to your post 329…
At first I have to say that my attitude is not extreme in any direction.
It’s reserved. I’m relaxed.
Everyone is responsible for oneself and especially for own “investments”. Some members forgot.(sorry,repeating myself)
And in this blog some posts are going unheeded (right term?!?) because of others fighting a running battle.
Back to your thoughts.
I DID my own investigation and I had the same idea why GPP is in such a slow pace.
It’s in consequence of the hugh member limit. All the other (successful) RPPs are limited much lower.
The resurrection of the member button may be a hint to that problem.
Simply to check out how many members are still out there.
The program is running since 2005 with really bad information/communication and it’s a syllogism that a lot of members could have capitulated or even have died.(well-placed humor
And don’t forget the number of members who will not release their IDs.
And the banking solution…
I don’t know so it’s better not to comment on this matter. In this blog are more than enough posts full of statements by people who make a great show of learning.
And NOTHING that is written here will never ever have any influence at all.
At the most some kind of negative effect like self-fulfilling prophecy or something.
So again, just WAIT!
And now I wait a bit to be shot down in flames as usual
Comment by Socke – February 27, 2008 @ 5:23 pm
Latest post on TeamTHEMCO:
Subject: FSCF - Five days and counting…
“Statement of Fund to date.
In just 5 days 75 members have pledged €8,131,000 towards Stella’s Children’s Fund - more amazing.
~~~~~~~~~
We thank you for your generous support and for your kind comments in respect of this initiative.
Please note: The names of the donors have been withheld at their request, but will appear on each of the updates forwarded to Stella.”
Comment by Blade68 – February 27, 2008 @ 6:14 pm
“In just 5 days 75 members have pledged €8,131,000 towards Stella’s Children’s Fund - more amazing.”
Quite frankly I find this disgusting. “Stella’s Children’s Fund”?
There is no “Children’s Fund” and using the promise of charity donations to solicit more so-called investors is perhaps one of the lowest things I have EVER seen.
Comment by Ben – February 27, 2008 @ 6:26 pm
I agree, Ben. When they pull the charity or religion card in these things, it sets me off. I volunteer for four REGISTERED charities. Why have we no info about “Bread for Kids”? Why is there no mention of this charity anywhere on the net? Every real charity can use the non-profit basis to market and get donations, so why is there zero net presence for this charity if it’s real?
There WAS a charity on the first website for GPP but I seem to remember them pulling out when people started asking questions. Can anyone remember that, or correct me if I am wrong? I don’t recall it being “Bread for children”.
Comment by zippy – February 27, 2008 @ 7:02 pm
TeamThemco will have a good deal of explaining to do in the near future. They appear to be in cahoots with Mr. Boulat Rafikov, a major promoter (and possibly ‘Stella’) along with a professional cheerleader, Jill Bray who kindly edits their site for them.
Comment by Owen Platt – February 27, 2008 @ 7:38 pm
Comment by crapping pigeon:
rokka rokka you are sicko, join mike checker, blah, blah blah.
Well crapping pigeon, Its time to fly to your flock and claim victory.
In the face of your arguments, can’t help but to surrender, not…
I’d rather join mikecheck anytime, then GPP. I guess we’re hitting the right nerve with our comments, since it makes you that agitated.
Just show the facts about GPP being legit and who is behind it, and we’ll go away. Go ahead, I dare you. Harder than you thought, probably much harder than recruiting your friends and relatives to this scam…
Comment by Rokka – February 27, 2008 @ 7:40 pm
The only cause to found this so called charity-thing by TeamThemco is (quote) “to find a way to attract Stella’s attention and gain her favour and co-operation again. They have come to the conclusion that they should appeal to her desire to raise funds for the children.They are going to need Stella’s support to hold your funds for the 3-5 days that it takes to incorporate their respective Foundations and open bank accounts…(unquote) and so on…”
That’s concussive and has nothing to do with charity.
Who the hell do they think they are?
GPP sickens people…
Comment by Socke – February 27, 2008 @ 8:09 pm
zippy - The charity has been the same as far s I know. The name is “Children of Ecuador Foundation” (not to be confused with another Canadian charity by the same name). The site is BreadForKids.org.
I have no specific information that points to this organization being other than as they describe, but I will say that there are some aspects that don’t build much confidence.
The persons behind the site are known HYIP and MLM players and the charity itself has served as the designated charity for several such programs in the same way as they are now for GPP. In all cases, these programs were scams, and according to posts by the prinicples they received little or nothing and they later directly admitted that the programs sponsoring them were scams.
When I contacted the “Ministry” as referenced on their site for licensing, it responded that it had no information regarding the charity.
I can find no references to it on any of the typical international registries. I can find no reference to it or any of its activities by any other independent third-party.
All of the sites listed on their sponsors page are run by the same persons who operate the charity site. There are no other entities listed other than those associated with the same persons.
All of the images on the site are clip art. There are no original pictures or reports regarding specific activities of the charity. There is no information regarding sources and uses of funds.
I could go on, but I think you get the point. They may very well do great things, but their past association with other scams, the lack of any verifiable credentials or other independent information otherwise, lack of any information regarding sources and uses of funds, and some specific aspects that are misleading, sure doesn’t look good.
Comment by JH – February 27, 2008 @ 8:43 pm
[Edit by Ben: Extan's IP address on this one too. Can't he just use the one username?]
Much has been said in the last few posts, I guess nobody here is a real member of GPP, including Ben. About Themco I believe some time back they unwillingly (or were too eager) caused some extra trouble for GPP and that caused the rift, however they know her and still trust her, doesn’t this ring a bell?? Of course that’s a fly in the ointment for all you negative fictitious scam lovers and you do not see the trees in the woods?!
If you know some of Alfred Adlers (1870) theories, “that everyone strives to achieve something worthwhile”, you may laugh when I say that Stella and Co. once had a big dream and they must have bitten of too much with all the strange humans this earth throws at you when big money is involved, greed, greed, greed!
Now they have to adapt, they did well, but surely a lot less of a dream, they wanted also to do good (they will unless we mess it up) and obviously also earn money for themselves, lots of it in addition to what the members we’ll get, the childrens fund is still in their menu but little time because of unforseen trouble!
Now you can start to scream!!!!!!!!!
Comment by church mouse :-) – February 27, 2008 @ 9:33 pm
Aha! Now that you have pointed my head to the correct direction I see from the whois for this charity, that the email address, http://whois.domaintools.com/breadforkids.org
(maurivildrose@yahoo.co.uk) is also the address for 12 OTHER ANONYMOUS domains!
And a UK email, a US phone number, and a “Somewhere in Quito” address.
That’s a heck of a way to run a charity!
So, I fooled around and found this post where “maurivil” is selling his own charity from “Ecuador”. Obviously, if “Mauri” was trawling in the HYIP forum, he’s not exactly starving in Ecuador.
Oddly enough, it appears to also be for a pension plan!!
How coincidental!- Not!
http://www.thehyipforum.com/showthread.php?t=11061&page=3
I have close friends from Quito, who are Quechua indians. I’m going to see if they can validate this charity. Failing that, I have my own ideas on who runs this popstand, now.
Comment by zippy – February 27, 2008 @ 10:24 pm
In my last post, I had thought CPP meant another pension plan. It appears to stand for “Community Portfolio Project”. A very nice gesture in their collecting the money, I certainly hope it went to a bonafide charity and not a scammer.
Comment by zippy – February 27, 2008 @ 11:14 pm
[Edit by Ben: This poster posted three comments (numbered 1 to 3, I've pasted them all here to save space). He was 'kind' enough to censor his own swear words!]
(1) all the negativity sucks, stop f******g crying if the GPP is a scam it will come to a head sooner rather than later either way, there is such a thing called karma so stop whining like a little B**** i said shut up keep the negative comments to yourself after this post no more of the negative comments on this site mean anything if it is a scam we will all find out including all the negative faggot acting men that have there fingers in their you know what i mean, that continue to post negative comments. hey if you want to whine cry about all of my miss spelled words and the f’d up grammer in this message to you. hey have a wonderful rest of the year if you are able to and ask your local doctor about some derpression medication you need it.
(2) hey dude stop already stop f*****G crying like a b****
(3) love these N**’s weirdo
Comment by what eva man – February 28, 2008 @ 3:51 am
My Friends, another realitively long one. I think that we all could appreciate, at least some of these words (other than the GPP scammers, who no doubt want to ring my neck)….
Omen,
I can apprciate fact that you have family members involved in this program wanting/needing this money from this plan. As I noted, I know of others who have done the same. I am saddened that this has happened, and I have slowly worked in the possibility that this will not pay out. I do not just say forget it, but if I were to say it’s coming I would not be telling the truth.
Extan, So you say that it is sometimes like an internet cafe’ there huh? Well it sounds like one all right… You all hanging around w/ several computers doing this and that. Yes looks can be deceiving… Just like this plan.
IP addresses, yes they can be telling. So what country did you say that you were in? I’m not asking for anything. I’m simply wondering if yo’d tell us good people to see if you are telling the truth on at least that! If you can’t, well I’d say that’s another step in th wrong direction… Nudge Stella and ask her if you don’t know.
What? You talking about. Why is this Stella so afraid to be known? Afraid of sicko’s huh? What reason should she be in hiding? Makes no sense. Besides, as will as she is hidden why should this ever have been a concern anyway. Oh yea, it’s the big banks who do not want her to get these monies. Searching for her to take her out. O.K., right….
Why do you need to tell me that she won’t answer? I keep telling you since she’s sitting next to you just ask her for us and tell us!
– That strange human statement… Just crazy.. Tell you what, o.k., I a strange human. This strange human would like for you Stella or whatever name you are using to tell the non-strange human of what’s happening w/ their cash.
Another don’t wory be happy statement in 347. Give me a break! Sounds like you are about to say March! Feb is almost over! Better start figuring out what you are going to say on this “solution”… Everyone, perhaps I’m not financilly in the know, but I’ve never heard of a banking solution. If there is in fact one, Stell & Co., have never quite said what it is…
Socke,
Do you think that I have valid questions?
…. I tend to agree with some of what you said, but this statement about understanding why GPP is having such a problem makes no sense. If GPP is woring abut the payout for those who may have died, what would their immediate concern be? They have provided no correspondence. They quite simply would not know! Therefore not a reason for a hold up.
…. Then there is the case where there are so many people who have not provided this personal info. Good for them, I’d say (no worry for ID theft there). As for the unfortunate few who have provided this information, why don’t you give them the benefit of providing them with a payout first? Give it to them now!
I’m not going to be one to shoot down your statements. I think that everyone can see for themselves the degree of… Let’s just say that they “understand your meaning”.
Something you said earlier about these ficticious cahracters. My friend, I am surely not ficticious, as your dollars to be sent to us may be.
zippy,
Good job! good job indeed! An additional step towards exposing this scam.
My friends,
Sometimes these posts are too sad to believe. Can you immagine a charity raising 8 Million Euro, that is realitively unheard of? I couldn’t immagine, especially since this is also probably supposed to be a secret! I must say that to put on the guise of a charity is just too pitiful to speak of. To take food from babe’s mouth… Although I’m quite sure that this has money not been raised, it would have suited you better not to have put that out! To lie about a charity is the lowest!
Lastly, as I am always told that I am repeating myself, would it be wrong if I were to say…
No information shared w/ members
Stella is too important to address us.
Stella is apparently afraid of her own shadow
Stella likes charities, especially their money!
Different addresesses, different phone numbers, emails.
I mean goodness, is that elusive enough!
Rokka,
Yes, let me join you. Let me say something that my GPP friends will understand… blah, blah blah.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – February 28, 2008 @ 4:14 am
Members,
I’m sorry for some of the errors in my writings. Looks like I was writing a bit too fast w/out review of grammar or continuity in some instances.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – February 28, 2008 @ 4:26 am
Welcome, Mikecheck, and never worry about your writing. You have life!
After I posted that about the charity with no address/phone/etc., I was thinking ….. Stella KNOWS this person with the charity, (How could she not? It’s supposedly so near and dear to her heart, right?) so, …either she is agreeing to get money sent to some “charity” that is Very suspect and therefore, she is “in on it”, or, if she is unaware of the lack of proper documentation and transparency that the charity has, or doesn’t know how to do a background check, then she is definitely not smart enough to open a bank, or to make the deals that are supposedly being made on members’ behalf with the Trust Partners.
It can’t be both ways, it’s one or the other. Either she’s a part of this “charity” or she’s just not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
Which would it be? Neither looks good.
Comment by zippy – February 28, 2008 @ 5:53 am
Not much left in this blog exept of cause “foam-in-the-mouth”, “please don’t bite me”, useless ramblings, no real content!
church mouse or not, it was so obvious anyway, why all these bland limitations and hunting down IP addresses. One has to see it in context, not in a rigid square box. What did Einstein say one day about humans?
About a childrens funds you can trace back Stellas “clean” ideas ex 2005, just investigating the idea and knowing about the possible pitfalls, so wy all this negative rubbish????????
Please wake up, it’s a lovely morning
!
Comment by EXTAN – February 28, 2008 @ 7:30 am
Why so worried about us tacking down an IP address?
Where is the Charity refisdtered? Can we see?
Yes, show us these clean ideas from 2005. That would be great!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – February 28, 2008 @ 1:47 pm
It’s time that Extan and JL stop defending these people and join the party.
To begin with….NO real investor would have ever invested in this scam.
Just a bunch of penny stock players and ignorant people with get rich quick on the brain.
I’m watching as people who put their trust in this stupid plan are loosing everything.
tell them something positive extan or JL ..why don’t you brighten there day
Comment by Busting Gut – February 28, 2008 @ 2:38 pm
sorry, not really possible to answer or respond to such s..t comments, if not member of GPP you have no info to make such derogative “foam-at-the-mouth” ‘Tollwut’ comments, please calm down, you are completely in the dark! I notice it has become quit deserted on this blog, intimidated by true facts from the source?
Comment by EXTAN – February 28, 2008 @ 5:20 pm
As reflected in the comments of those here who are mmembers, they have no more information and are more “in the dark” than anyone. So what makes you think that people against this scam don’t have as much or MORE information in that regard than any information supporting it as being real. You avoided answering earlier, so again, please enlighten us with the “facts from the source.” All you’ve done to date is to talk off-point and in circles.
Like most GPP supporters, you hurt your case more than you help it with your own posts. You have NO FACTS. You continually post a bunch of ridiculous, insulting messages under various names. And then you expect anyone to take anything you have to say seriously? lol
Comment by JH – February 28, 2008 @ 6:21 pm
i have to agree in most part with you JH but as a plan member and supporter was given the plan as a gift so didnt even choose to become a member but i do choose to remain to be one ..I hope with every fiber of my being that the plan pays out not only for my own good but the good of the many investors in the scheme. Whilst I also agree it seems impossible to do and for it to be be to good to be true ….. just as far fetched as believing in the best of people who truly want to do good for more than themselfs … but it happens whether this is the case or not time and patience will only time will tell…no good can ever come of being nasty in bloggs to fellow contributors…and some of the comments from both sides i personally have found offensive and detracting from the debate.
if the plan does pay out …wooohooo good times will be had by many :)… if it doesent …will be sad especially for those who risked more than they should have … smiles but the people i wont be sorry for are the ones who risked thousands of pounds because that was just greedy in the first place ….
Comment by bridget – February 28, 2008 @ 9:28 pm
Oh JH that sounds pretty sour, SORRY we have instructions not to blah blah stuff from the GPP website, because non members will only cause trouble and we would lose our membership and maybe mess-up the project, so obviously we rather want our millions of euros and get out of our misery life, so please understand our position or join GPP then you can get at least 55000 Euro… no guarantee given!
Have a good day and don’t worry I’m not cast into a square box about various user names, let the little boy in me play a bit
Comment by EXTAN – February 28, 2008 @ 9:32 pm
So, in other words, ya got nuthin.
Like we all don’t have access to everything that’s been “revealed” by GPP anyway. lol The authorities are already after them, their registrar dropped them as did their payment processors, no banks want to have anything to do with them, and most of their members have are fed up with their BS. How much worse could anyone else “mess up the project?” Seems they’ve done a pretty good job at that all on their own.
As I said, the members know less than most who have really taken a hard look at it. We’re not afraid to show independently verifiable information regarding GPP and its program. Unfortunately for their members, they can’t say the same.
Comment by JH – February 28, 2008 @ 11:04 pm
mike
)”GPP is woring abut the payout for those who may have died”(unquote).
you would be well advised to read posts more carefully.
I never said that (quote incl.orthographic mistakes
You took that one sentence of mine about a potential dead of members out of context.
Another error in reasoning is the part contains “data that is provided already”. That’s not what I said.
I meant the ID that will NOT be sent by each member.
But I’m not surprised. You are so motivated to answer extensively to each and every post that some slips of the pen can happen easily.
And I’m NOT talking about orthographic mistakes…
I think this is my last response to you, it’s not worth the trouble.
Another thing!
Did anybody see the new (I reckon it’s the first too) “member post” by Ute Kaschel at the german forum? (Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 10:35 am)
It’s captioned with MEMBERS CATCHING THE SPEAKER’S EYE
She is talking about the book THE SECRET and a lot of positive energie.
Do or did you have got this one or the like in the english forum?
Does anyone remember? Was too lazy to look for…
Nevertheless bad timing, bad strategie…
Comment by Socke – February 28, 2008 @ 11:09 pm
MikeCheck strikes again.
Comment by Gabriel – February 29, 2008 @ 12:03 am
Eva Man,
I have one thing to say to you. February 29th! Tomorrow is the last day of the month, and look this year you are lucky enough to have an additional day! So, what was GPP saying about March?
Extan,
Tell you what, since Stella has all of this information specifically for members, why hasn’t she shared it? Surely she has their email addresses! This way the public would not get it! Good idea huh?
To add…what
Oh, so you say that there is a lot of “foam-in-the-mouth†action going on. Hmmm interesting. You state that you do not want to get bitten… You have nothing to worry about. We can’t find you or Stella in the first place. I think that you will be safe. Unless you are worring about these “phantom bankers” who “don’t want us to make money”.
Bridgett,
I hate to agree, but I’m sure that there were many who invested much more than they should have. I’m very sad for those. Do you consider me as being one who has provided dis information? To be serious, I will respect anyone even these scammers. I will say however, that I will answer any question posed to me. On the other hand your GPP scammers do everything that they can to ildude providing an answer.
JH,
In your post 366, I was about to say the same thing! How pathetic the various names and no information provided by stella & co…
Everyone, just take a quick look. You tell me if those words are not true.
Socke,
I will take your advise and review my statements more carefully. I stand corrected. At that point, probably too tired. It was time to go to sleep for me anyway.
All,
I’m not above correcting my wrongs. GPP on the other hand is a totally differnt story. Now, where was I….
Well, let me just go back over some of these rediculous things that have taken place. The Stella charity… I still cannot get over this! Outrageous!
As for those who are downing me… I ask why? Even if you do not agree with me in attempting to call out the scammers, at least why can’t they answer you? Surely you have taken note that not one question of any benefit has been answered! I’ve asked about why all of the use of email, not using the domain. Everyone, what I mean is why do they have a yahoo, or hotmail email accounts instead of Stella@GPP.com or something to that effect? If she’s handling the site, surely she should have one of those!
My friends,
What I am trying to do is to not have others fall prey to this scam, scams similar to this one (to include the other several being managed by some of the other GPP scammers). To mention the fact that I’d hope that no one would fall prey to this Stella charity goes without saying! Funny, have you heard anymore about this? Bet they won’t bring that back up!
Extan, Stella & Co., I invite you to answer ANYONE’S question! Of course this questionmust come from someone on this blog other than yourself(s).
FEB 29th!!!!! Now only hours away from the reason why we must be calm and wait for the dollar bills! Please do not provide these good people some insulting reason why you canot produce. If this is not seen, I’m afraid that I will have to extend my fndings with other blogs. I would do like to prevent others from falling prey to such a scam.
Again, I wish that I could say that I’m worng but I have seen nothing to say that this is valid. In fact there have been so many here that have explained why it would not work. It unfortunately is true. It does not work. If it does however March 1st will be that day!!! Isn’t that right Stella(s)!
Members, I am surely not even attempting to tell you not to invest in such a scam, I mean program. I would say for those who are considering it or telling others to participate, to wait and see how well this pays out! They won’t loose out! As you can see they are accepting additional money for the next program… Or something… They have not quite said what these additional contracts are supposedly for…
Oh yea, please review zippy’s post 356. Just noted that this post even better explains what I mentioned…
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – February 29, 2008 @ 4:39 am
Exactly, MikeCheck! Why is support not support@globalpp.net, and not @googlemail? What the heck is that? Big business?
The same goes for the charity. The guy owns servers, runs a hosting company, owns THAT site and domain, yet his email is maurivildrose@yahoo.co.uk. NOT a…real…name@breadforkids.org.
Obviously, he used a generic mail to avoid being traced back to this charity(and yes, how low a slug he is who uses children to get money!)
BTW, all those sites that he says approves the Breadforchildren site, are his sites as well! So, he is his own cheerleader.
I am now convinced that these people have made excellent use of psychology. I would bet, when you’re reading “Stella’s” updates, you have a mental picture of this lady alone with a heap of work and papers on her desk. She writes like a nice INNOCENT lady. She sounds like she would be sweet and caring. Worrying about her charities- aah- the children.
But, they are words, and anyone can paint a picture. Right now, you have no clue if I am a female or male, tall, short, nigerian, Chinese, educated, uneducated, or merely a bunch of teenagers playing with people’s heads on the computer. Maybe I’m just a crazy old bald man, stuck in my little apartment, bored with my life, so I take my frustrations out on people in forums.
No one knows WHO Stella is, (except the elite ‘insiders’, who are probably a paid part of all this). It COULD be what you envision, and yet, on the other hand, it could be a cartel of serial scammers, setting up scam after scam and counting on people like you to say and keep saying, “It’s only $40. Not worth calling the police about.”
And then she talks about the saboteurs who want to stop GPP. There are no saboteurs. There were no DDos attacks. Do you not remember last September when she bought the very expensive ‘”ddos attack stopping set-up”? So, how are there more ddos attacks? from whom? Rubbish!
Stella, as you imagine, does not exist.
I will tell you a secret. Maurivildrose IS a member of GPP and has been for some time. Obviously, he did NOT use fake info when he registered with Stella, or he would not get his payout,…unless, of course, he knows, there is no payout!
So, Stella KNOWS who he is. And who he is not. End of story.
GPP is over. Extan’s “job” is to run interference, which is why he never answers. Don’t worry, Mike, it’s all unraveling and Extan is in the middle, that’s why he talks like he’s drunk.
Comment by zippy – February 29, 2008 @ 5:35 am
My oh my… non members in total disarray and going over the top like a fizz and take everything out of context, talking absolute hogwash, some can not even read properly. Well, MC is a total disaster and he asks what is wrong and repeats forever, how boring!
The good news is that our GPP “savings” are still growing, meaning that additional memberships are being bought. Seems the German group is very active, Finland also well represented,etc., I guess if Stella and Co. would skim off all additional gains then why up our accounts, makes your twisted brain think, or doesn’t it? It simply beats me!
Take care!!!
Comment by EXTAN – February 29, 2008 @ 7:26 am
And, thus, my point is proved.
Comment by zippy – February 29, 2008 @ 8:07 am
“FEAR IS THE GREAT DESTROYER!
(Cry wolf! IT IS A SCAM!! …GPP WILL NOT PAY OUT!!)
according to most of you!
Give fear command of your life
And you will be powerless to achieve anything worth while!â€
“As a man thinketh in his heart
So is heâ€!
There is no one as poor
As the man WITH money in his pocket
But WITHOUT a dream in his heart.
MY MOTTO!!
I would rather live without a penny in my pocket
Than live WITHOUT A DREAM IN MY HEART!!
Comment by JL – February 29, 2008 @ 8:27 am
zippy going bunkers?!
Comment by EXTAN – February 29, 2008 @ 9:02 am
Extan,I read the swedish forum daily. You’re full of it. They aren’t buying. They’re arguing about calling the FBI and Interpol. Quit with the sales pitch. “Grab ‘em while they’re hot! They’re going fast!”
Why would you want to push for more sales, Extan? Don’t you have enough members for the first lot to pay out? Sure, you do. But, while you’re dragging these shenanigans out, let’s squeeze the crowd for a few more bills.
Knock it off with your members/non-members baloney. Nobody is ‘going away” because you said so.
BTW, you’re sounding a lot like punnup these days.
Comment by zippy – February 29, 2008 @ 11:31 am
Can’t find “punnup” in the ENGLISH dict??? Auch nicht Deutsch oder watter taal praat jy, ken jy die lied: Del a Rey, De la Rey, hier kom ons? And which Swedish forum, full of what????? Are you a women?
Nobody said “go away”, maybe I should? Hope more people will post, I’m only a sponsored member, and would only get 55K E, not working for GPP, I work for a Technical University (different IP)in the beautiful Cape of Good Hope.
Hey BEN, now you got my secret, which was available anyway!
I was talking about GPP members that have a downline, some earning a few millions, lucky them, did you know that such amounts are possible? And they can see that their total “saving” grows, say from 8,35M to 8,58M in say 3 days, whatever, which means that funds are still flowing in, they have a new e-mail addr., thought that’s interesting info unless you do not understand?! And from such data one can obviously deduce a few POSITIVE things unless you are blanked off!
Comment by EXTAN – February 29, 2008 @ 2:15 pm
Extan, you do realize that by your own post you demonstrate that their numbers don’t work? Given your extensive knowledge regarding the “data” and your deductive abilities, here are a couple of simple, direct questions for you.
First, based on the number of members at 100,000 original policies plus the 250,000 additional policies, what is the MINIMUM numbers of members who would be expected to fill the matrix to the full 12 levels?
Second, how many members at the full referral matrix level would it take to exceed ALL of the money available to fund the program not even counting the promised 55,000/110,000 payments? Hint, they’d each receive 16,000,000 Euro.
These numbers can be calculated fairly easily and do not need to be known precisely to demonstrate the result within a reasonable expected range. If you’re not capable of doing so on your own, then since you’re fortunate enough to work at a university, you might scoot over to the finance department and ask someone there to help (but you should be prepared to have them laugh in your face.)
Please spare us the usual non-responsive reply. If you’re not able to “deduce” these numbers, which unlike GPP don’t lie, then you’ll simply demonstrate that you’re FOS (which BTW has basically the same meaning as “punup” to help you out there lol).
Comment by JH – February 29, 2008 @ 6:59 pm
Your “minimun number”S” of members” is very bad English, we have a English crasher course
there is absolutely nothing to calculate for me, I don’t get that money anyway, so why should I waste my time for you??
I should not even respond!
I just talked about illustrative values, not saying what gets paid out, not implying anything besides observed facts, that people are still paying in, etc. I guess you cannot understand what I wrote, you seem to be blanked off??? Or do you want to start an IQ test?
Maybe you have not heard about the concept of gearing and other methods of creating “big” funds since the Marshal Plan after WW2, the Tsunamis, etc, as well as the advent of trading Forex etc., assuming you have enough funds to start to get moving? Nobody said that they would do it in a 2% savings account at the corner bank?
FOS you too, whatever that means, I’m not into abbreviations or non English low class jargon.
Sleep well!
Comment by EXTAN – February 29, 2008 @ 8:23 pm
Apparently, you’ve not heard of simple math. And as expected you have no substantive response other than to go off on some non-responsive tangent re gearing and WWII. lol
The answer of course is that the payouts from the referrals alone quickly exceed the total value of the funds supposedly received from the “bank.” And a 2% return would be about double the 1.2% that the “bank” providing the funding for this deal would receive. In fact, they’d do about 300% better by using a simple 2% APR account at their corner bank.
As I said, you’re the worst enemy of your own case and your nonsensical replies just serve to prove my points. Keep up the good work.
Comment by JH – February 29, 2008 @ 8:41 pm
Oh my,..the foulest mouth in the thread is “not into abbreviations or English low class jargon”?
And, JH used correct English, sir. Your crash(er) course did not teach you that he used “number” as a noun, therefore, it remains singular, as it is a “number”.
And that would be an “English CRASH course” , not “Crash(er) course”.
There’s no such thing as a “Crasher Course”.
Cape of Good Hope? Maybe TOO MUCH HOPE? Would you, by any chance, be connected to “World Park”, in Namibia, or Boulat Rafikov?
Comment by zippy – February 29, 2008 @ 9:08 pm
Well, always wrong, consult the Oxford, “numbers of members” is ALWAYS wrong, “number” is right as I had said, you are reading wrong, unless you are an American and leave out the letters and mess up the language, also sorry here we call it either crash or crasher, because someone who goes for a crash course crashes for sure!
About math I was always the best in the class, 100%+, sometimes give and taqke one or two, even at Tech Uni (Fachhochschule) also correcting the lecturer and then losing marks for his mistakes
. So don’t worry, I have nothing to prove to you and you can say what you like, mush in your head? At least you did not object to the idea that with Forex trading, using enough money, good software and proper big stops you can earn really big?
Was born in SWA (Namibia) we did not take drugs in school and are not messed up like you
Comment by EXTAN – February 29, 2008 @ 10:24 pm
My my my goodness! I cannot say in words how pathetic, how utterly rediculous Extan sounds! if this weren’t so frustrating I’d be tempted so to laugh. Now where do I begin! Ah, I know, the source of this circle talking…
Extan,
It is simply incredulous to even think that you have any idea of what you are talking about mathmatically, after being busted by JH! This is just rediculous! Especially your response. It is almost… no it is…sad. Non responses continually. Extan, we are not stupid. I’d take it that you realize this by now.
Your statement referring to this additional money should infuriate every member in the program! Why should anyone in this program be concerned with this additonal money sitting in an account when it serves no benefit to anyone in the program (supposedly other than GPP). If everyone (by some chance)were to get this payout, then GPP would have significantly benefited finanially. Also, what does tading on the Forex have to do with the GPP program? Opps.. Something else you wont speak of again huh?
Oh my, you think quite a bit of yourself don’t you? So you are so intelligent in math huh? Well how come you can’t review or even disprove JH? Answer, because you can’t, Mr. 100%.
Hate that you think my statements and the asking of serious questions are so vey boaring. Funny as it is, you have not addressed any of them, NOT ONE! I’d believe that as you are so caring for the members, that you’d be as kind to inform us of anything of importance. As usual, I can see that you care little for the members.
In post 381, you noted that you should not even answer a question… Well, you ARE in fact doing a good job at that! Why even make such a statement? Should have kept that to yourself.
JL,
I like your post. Good positive thoughts. I however,do not think that this is a legitimate program. I can understand that fear of being scammed could be perceived. I however, am of the opinion that we have been scammed. I therefore have accepted this fact and have no fear on this topic. You state:
There is no one as poor
As the man WITH money in his pocket
But WITHOUT a dream in his heart.
I could not agree more. A well said statement.
Your Motto:
I would rather live without a penny in my pocket
Than live WITHOUT A DREAM IN MY HEART!!
That too is also a good motto, that I also agree with. I can appreciate this in several ways/respects.
Not to sound negative but as I mentioned earlier, though we all would have dreams in their hearts for this wonderfull bounty, I do not see it happening. The reason is all too obvious. In looking at all of this information that has been reviewed (non answers to valid questions,the jumping around of servers, the apparent use of a internet cafe’, use of inappropriate for busness email addresses, said use of additonal monies not used for the members benefit, and the extreemly curious use of the FOREX maket with our monies). I cannot help but to think that this is complex psycological manipulation, as well put by zippy in post 373. - At the same time, this motto also provides us with the benefit of knowing that we can obtain the benefit of achieve our dreams. I’d not base them on this program to achieve them however. This program attempts to steal these dreams, but again the may still be had.
Comments anyone?
Extan, you have anything to say that does not run around in your usual circle?? Oh yea, this is probably another post that you find boaring. Do us all a favor and come up with something more original than that…
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – March 1, 2008 @ 6:08 am
When we enrolled with GPP, we all KNEW that perhaps we were taking a chance and we saw it in the context of buying a lottery ticket.
We were all PREPARED to take the chance and come on guys, what can you do with the small fee you paid after all to become part of this possible dream? I am sure you spend more buying lottery tickets every week!
You must remember that every cause has an effect. Should there be a negative outcome to GPP, God will sort them out. Nobody gets away with it. Every thought, action, deed, broken promise, lie or destroyed dream, is noted and one day we pay for them!
I do not carry the burden and have peace in my heart, KNOWING that what goes around, comes around!
It is not about the money, it is about the dreams all of us have to better our lives and the lives of others that we want to help. All around us there is poverty and hard times that most people are going through. And if we can make a difference with the money from GPP, we have achieved a worthwhile goal.
That, in a nutshell, is my perspective of GPP. Let’s wait. Time alone will tell.
Comment by JL – March 1, 2008 @ 7:14 am
If this Gpp dont end soon, man this bloody blog spot is gunna go in the BEGINNERS INTERNET PAGE OF WORLD RECORDS, for the longest posted page in the history of Bloomen Blogs. Cracks me up. Im havn a cack, realy Its startn to make me laugh.
No pun intended about ya posts Just how long and many there are about the same ol!!! and BLASTen the beGeezes out of each other!
Hey Beno maybe you should entre it in the Beginners Book A World Records mate.
Cum on GPP Cum on - Cum on!!!(Sing along with me) Were All Waiting. I thought is was just me missus worrying.(Not that she is any more shes just waitn NOW) BUT I was wrong Its all o ya!
Could be worse We could all be on the TITANIC and thinking we are gonna have a good night and PART-EY!, When all of a sudden BOOM!!! were like frozen human popsicles bobin around in the middle of the ocean givn our missus the floating door to lay on while we wait to freeze and sink into oblivian. He He!!!
HAPPY DAYS FELLAS!!! Put ya feet up n have a BEER with me whilst we WAIT. This blogs gettn to bloody serious aint it?
Cheer up!!! All Anger leads to premature death wouldnt that make ya policies worth while for em Ay!
Come on I no ya dont know me But Im Cheerin for yas so Have a beer with me unless ist mornin where you are.
Comment by omen – March 1, 2008 @ 7:31 am
Ain’t I’m lucky to be associated with this lovely lady, real positive stuff makes us all feel well. But we should really stop this other non-sense, it leads nowhere. JH needs math and matrix to calculate the downlines, I recommend Grade A BASIC ARITHMETIC, math is something else!
Apart from GPP’s admin, we cannot really know which of our downlines purchased another membership and so on, you only see your total and can deduce from that, and so what, we’ll see what gets paid out anyway or not, it’s anyones guess!
Please don’t cry if you lost out, there are other possibilities, be careful
Comment by extan – March 1, 2008 @ 7:44 am
March 1st!
MikeCheck
Comment by mikecheck – March 1, 2008 @ 7:46 am
Omen,
You have da rite idea! Bring it on brother!
At least you put a little bit of fun into reading
this S E R I O U S …. blog:-)
Enjoy!
Comment by JL – March 1, 2008 @ 8:11 am
Your welcome JL, You have the right idea too darl. Keep the good vibes comin. when we all get rich - and now Im beein positive how about we all raise our glasses and toast to our victory!! Maybe have an Internet party and a bit of a CELEBRATE in cyber space. good on ya Mateeey.
If it dont go so well guess weel just have to CELEBRATE bein alive n heathly and still able to down a coldy around the barby. Maybe it wont be a YOU BUTE one but whos lookin an who cares.
Comment by omen – March 1, 2008 @ 9:53 am
If I were you I would be ashamed of the last six or seven posts.
You should found a self-help group for desperate housewifes.
Your lifes must be boring and you parents did something wrong.
Or is this a special kind of english humor that I can’t understand because I’m german?
Maybe mistranslation…:-(
So, EXTAN, I recognized that you had no problems with the german language, right?
Ich glaube, Du bist ein netter Kerl und bist auch nicht dumm, was man, glaube ich, von einigen hier nicht sagen kann - mein Gott!!! Armes Land!!!
Also bitte ich DICH (bei der “Gegenseite” habe ich keine Hoffnung auf Besserung), ignorier den Kinderkram einfach und lass uns entspannt die Zeit abwarten.
Zurück zur Schwarzwälder Kirschtorte und Kaffee!!!
Herrjeh!
Comment by Socke – March 1, 2008 @ 10:04 am
Hallo Socke, endlich wieder etwas Leben auf diesem Blog, den Kinderkram von MC ignoriere ich schon… better return to English, wonder about whom you were talking about in your initial lines? Mieskien daardie REPEAT EVERYTHING pampoen? (Afrikaans was developed from dutch)Yes our future president has only a grade 3 school certificate and a heavy criminal record under current investigation, now the judiciary, special police forces, etc. will soon flounder and he is sooo popular.
So we need a GPP payout soon to take a EURO holiday if needs be. Tourists were this morning again mugged on table mountain (aptly named “skeleton gorge”) by those shady guys, everything was obviously stolen, standard conditions of employment for 65% of the population.. But we keep on hiking, I have a heavy golf stick to use if needed…. hole in one
Comment by extan – March 1, 2008 @ 10:44 am
I’m glad to read a post without any personal reproaches.
And Im not hooked on harmony excessively…
I have to go to Switzerland for this weekend again and I could make a hotel reservation for you
I mean, if you don’t know where to spend your holidays…
No, joking apart!
Ich drück die Daumen, dass das Schlimmste NICHT eintritt!
And don’t use your golf stick in here anymore
Comment by Socke – March 1, 2008 @ 11:17 am
I just read the German forum post March 1. Interesting. But not sure why all the languages dint get the same.
Socke, Ich wurde mich Ihnen zu kaffe und irgendeiner kirchentorte anshlieBen wenn wir alle fliegen konnen, un einander hinuber zu treffen. Wouldnt that be interesting, Us all together from this site.
Cheers! Have a good nite.
P.S Hows my German, probably not to good. Ah Its good enough to say Hi to you anyway Lol.
Comment by SM – March 1, 2008 @ 2:33 pm
Why are there 2 new posts today from neverland on the dutch forum and nothing on ours? can anyone translate? this lack of communication is absolutely ridiculous!
extan, the correct term is crash course, no such thing as a crasher course. I am english, i know.
And if gpp are using our money to trade forex then this is more of a scam than we thought!
Comment by Blade68 – March 1, 2008 @ 2:44 pm
Good feelings and well being is a good thing. Keep hope alive!
Indeed, I apply that to many things. Of course as mentioned by JH we all knew that this was a fisk. At least some of us did. Some in a downline knew less but hey, yes it was a risk. Sure we have all been ripped off at one time or anohter. Shoot, I remember getting ripped off from last summer! I’m not having faith that the person who did rip me off would come back and tell me that he’d make it all better. so would come back.
omen, interesting post. Likening this program is an interesting simily. Yes we are parting righ now! It is unfortunate that the person selling the ticket was making a bee line straight for that iceburg, then immediately breaking camp!
Extan,
Now that I too am about harmony, if I have been confrontational, I’ll attempt to bag it!
As for our good feelings, could you now provide us with some status on the program? Truly at this point whais the status?
Pehaps Stella could enlighten this great group, who are looking for a payout?
In any case, it is now March 1st. Are we to receive this payout now? Seriously, I have not heard anything about it, as Stella said. We were however tod to wait at the beginning of Feb. Wouldn’t you agree that it is now time?
March 1st! I guess the baks will begin the payout beginning Monday when the banks open! This will be time to party my friends! I’ve already got my hat! What a beneficial thing that this will be to better our lives!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – March 1, 2008 @ 3:06 pm
Hi Blade68
You can translate the German pages with this website:
http://imtranslator.com/
It only contains letters from people about GPP.
Enjoy
Comment by JL – March 1, 2008 @ 4:40 pm
Yes indeed blade68 the word is CRASH, I’m so sorry for this terrible mistake, must have thought about some gate crasher
)))
There is no new info on GPP, I do NOT work for them, please do not ask again and again and again MC. They could give us some update about the bank solution = % to finish???
Take care!!
Comment by EXTAN – March 1, 2008 @ 5:20 pm
Pay out March 3rd. Is that correct Stella or extan?
Comment by mikecheck – March 1, 2008 @ 7:18 pm
I just read through a few new member’s letters on GPP’s German forum moderated by “neverland”, an interesting development in more than one way, because GPP seems to open up a bit! Must say those letters are mostly positive and maybe sometimes critical, but no obvious troublemakers. 6 letters up to now. Are the Germans more gullible or what is going on? Personally I think it is a good development for obvious reasons, but I don’t think the money will arrive on Monday, it surely takes longer to go though the licence granting phase.
Comment by EXTAN – March 1, 2008 @ 9:08 pm
Extan,
Then why wern’t we all told of this beforehand? Can you ask you buddy Stella that?
What exactly is the “license granting phase”. Which of the never ending segments of this program are we in now. To be quite serious, it sounds like GPP has inept people working there. How can a company with al of these dollars not operate properly? Surely these licences and such should have been completed by now! It’s been 2 yrs!!!!
My friends, this is why I do not believe in this program. Lies after lies!!!! Why don’t you get us the information as to exactly what GPP is doing now, other than have it’s members “wait” for what’s just around the corner?
As I said all February, March would come around with yet another reason for a delay. As I said, to extan, please come up with another reason why this will be delayed… again. Looks like he pulled through!! Good for you extan! I suppose next month the dog will have eaten the license….
People have we now had enough of this nonsense? As I ased before, in looking out for our fellow man, please do not suggest to anyone to join this program… They are giving thier money away!… Oh yes in that great 2% saving account, used to play the FOREX. At the same time you might note this preposterous charity for Stella (specifically)!
MikeCheck
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – March 1, 2008 @ 9:44 pm
We now have an English post in the forum, for March 1st. But from what I can gather as my German is only High school worthy, It is not the same one as the Deutschland site.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but, I think its a different person too.???
I like what it said though, When you stop the negative thoughts and find kind and positive ones it all feels as though Anything can happen.(Even the facts and innuendo, Cant take it away).
Feels Good.
Comment by SM – March 2, 2008 @ 3:23 am
My friends,
let’s once again review what we were told many months back… These are Stella’s words! Not my own at all!!
—–Stella’s words ———-BEGIN
We have a deadline!
Because of what’s happening in the e-currency world, the Trust Partner has decided to set a deadline to reach the 100.000 members target. The date will be the31st of August 2007. This means that we have four months to go.
———Stella,s words——END
Yes, just a small segment of what was said… We’ve got nothing to worry about now! Feb has now left the building (like Elvis)! Nonetheless, Banks open March 3rd!
Extan, Stella,
Let’s do this thing! As mentioned earlier, A man’s (or Woman’s) word is their bond! May GPPer’s are watching! What do you say!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – March 2, 2008 @ 5:31 am
This is the latest post on TeamTHEMCO, i think its disgusting that they are encouraging this when we have had no sign of a payout! and why do the kids get 57000 all of a sudden and not 55000?
FSCF - Momentum building……
Statement of Fund to date.
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In just 9 days 89 members have pledged €9,385,000 towards Stella’s Children’s Fund - even more amazing.
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We thank you for your generous support and for your kind comments in respect of this initiative.
Please note: The usernames of the donors will appear on each of the updates forwarded to Stella.
If you wish to contribute to this initiative, please send an e-mail to themco@gmail.com so that arrangements can be made for you to make a pledge, in advance of sending funds to buy an Additional Policy. The purchase of each Additional Policy will benefit the fund, and hence the children, by an additional €57,000. This is how the fund can grow so quickly. Thank you.
March 2, 2008 Posted by teamthemco | FSCF | | No Comments
Comment by Blade68 – March 2, 2008 @ 1:08 pm
You’d think, with the fake charity and their partners being exposed, they’d be using their heads. Perhaps someone needs to call/send to the British newspapers,…..I certainly hope these folks haven’t been actually SPENDING the “un-money”. Numbers on a chart are one thing,….spending money you don’t have is another.
Apparently, the management company has neglected to tell the flock what’s up.
Maybe they’re still bringing in sign-ups. Lucky Stella.
Comment by zippy – March 2, 2008 @ 5:40 pm
Hey, what happend to Dina, shooting in the Afgan mountains or marching in Siberia?
MC I do not know Stella, OK?!!
Comment by EXTAN – March 2, 2008 @ 6:12 pm
Extan, and other GPP employees,
You state that you do not work for Stella & Co. Well do you know them?
You say that 89 members have stated that they’d provide approx 104 euro each… That’s a good one! Tell you what, I’ll throw a couple of dollars your way too… Just as soon as I get this payout.
YES members, let’s all pledge to give Stella some of our money AFTER the payout… Let’s all let Stella know that her charity will get a load of bills after the banking solution is over…
OH, BY THE WAY, this should be Monday shouldn’t it!!!! What a bounty for Stella’s charity!
Oh, how do I send Stella this money? Web transfer? Got an address?Not! Oh, could you send us her charity’s website? Maybe I could get some info from there? Oh, no website just yet? Then where is the charity registered? Oh, can’t answer such questions YET AGAIN?!?!
— I mean like that is simply crazy that you would want US to go through the trouble of emailing YOU! Where is the wesite to make this a simple transaction!!! You GPPer’s really have to think very little of members intelligence. EVERYONE, in all charities that you have seen, isn’t there a box that you can cluck for donations on a secure web page that you can use to give a donation?
Sad.
Contract owners,
As we can see, there is not further benefit in sending in money for additional contracts… IAW extan, everyone else should not be able to receive the benefit of a payout… right? Yes, and if this is the case, why should anyone send additional money?
My friends,
I need to tell others considering to get into this program has now ended. Our praise’s are to be given after this elusive payout. At which point they may join in!
Once again for the 8th or 9th time, Extan Stella, or one of stella close friends who I know (supposedly) is on this blog, what’s the deal with the ansereing of these Additional questions once again?
Crazy! This list of questions just gets longer and longer! Seems odd doesn’t it. It’s odd to me that’s for sure…..
Tell you what… If anyone (GPPers) can answer a few of these valid questions I’ll chill somewhat. If not, well I’ll just post them ALL ONCE AGAIN and see how the members feel about none answering of these (what I believe) valid questions. I’m sure members would not midn just the questions, simple questions to be posted.
I invite others to pose some questions to GPP…
Everyone, If you’ve been following you’d know that this list is getting to be quite extensive! For all members whether you believe in it or not, surely anyone would like to know at least a few of these questions!!!
So Stella
Please wach out for those evil bankers and website attackers! I still do not know why anyone would want to attack that site. I’d think that a hacker would have something better to do than chase after this sca… I mean this program.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – March 2, 2008 @ 10:00 pm
Members,
In that second paragraph above, I mistakenly said that the 89 members providing money to the charity, gave on average 104 euro each. I meant to say that they gave 104,000 euro each…IAW what TEAMThemco said….
RIGHT! lol…
Like I said, right after the payout, include me as a donor… I’ll even send this email to your “gmail” account”. This way, youll be able to give me the information that I’ll need to find out which bogus ebank to send my money to (I mean electronically transfer this money to), which must be done under cover of night, at 11:00 p.m. after the full moon (this to prevent these evil bankers from knowing what is happening).
Then again, I don’t think that it will a problem at all in our giving of money. As is the case for us, getting this money from GPP is an ENTIRELY different story. Now you could not dissagree with that statement if you tried! I’d even be amused to see how Stella would answer that (eventhough we know that she won’t).
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – March 2, 2008 @ 10:20 pm
This blog is now exclusive for Ben and MC, please enjoy it, maybe an urgent visit to a psychologist may be indicated.
[Edit by Ben: I let you have free reign on this blog, extan, why are you giving me grief now?]
By the way Ben, on ADSL through a home line your complete blog gets scanned in and eats up enormous so wrongly called “bandwith” actually it is allocated download/upload memory, typically 400k and with a contribution it easily goes to 1M. With looooooooooooooooong repeat letters from MC, it is costing everyone a lot of money, so why not keep just about 10 letters on an ACTIVE page, the rest archived?
[Edit by Ben: Archiving is a manual task which takes some time. I am doing 100 comments at a time when I can but it is tedious work. Please bear with me and you will soon see the difference. MC has as much right to post here as you so I won't be selectively archiving comments just because he writes more than others and you don't agree with him.]
Comment by extan – March 3, 2008 @ 7:51 am
“Stella’s” recent update:
“Dear Members of Global Pension Plan!
We know that many members are very excited and also quite nervous about the finalization of the plan.
Everyone desires the payout and the patience of all of us has nearly been used up.
Please believe us, we are in the same situation!
We also would like the payout yesterday if possible.
Always keep in mind – if you are not paid out we also do not get anything.
As it has already been said a lot of times, “We will win this game ONLY as a teamâ€.
A team is as good as there is direct, straight, honest and constructive communication amongst each other.
We had a lot of complaints recently from members:
“Why haven’t you set this up earlier?â€
“But you had promised End of February!â€
“If you cannot set this thing up I have the perfect solution here, it is so very easy.â€
“Now they want to get even more from us, signing up more people and contracts.â€
“First you say bank solution, then no bank solution at all, then again bank solution, what the hell is going on?â€
Believe us, we have noticed all your complaints, we really know all of them. From your viewpoint it is really understandable that reactions of that kind came up.
However, from our viewpoint things look a bit different as we are dealing with forces and establishments that are fighting us, that don’t want us to succeed and that are outright sabotaging us and continuously trying to give us a bad name.
So today we need all of you here to really come together and listen carefully.
Lots of things happened in these last days and weeks.
Lots of things you need to know about.
Our business is totally legal and honest and the Compensations and Loyalty Program Rewards are being earned in a totally correct way. We are in no way criminal or dealing with such persons. We have nothing to do with Drugs, Weapons or any other criminal dealings.
However the established international Banking World has already reacted to these future upcoming payouts.
Several Central Banks in some jurisdictions have advised the national banks to not accept amounts send from us.
Therefore payouts which we would send to personal accounts of members are liable to be either frozen and investigated or even sent back. But this is not even the most negative effect this would have. Actually sooner or later everyone would have to admit that all is fine with the and its origin is totally legal etc.
BUT these measures being taken by banks all over the world towards us would spread like wildfire all over the planet and that could lead to discrediting us in such a way that the whole Program could fail.
You can be sure that we have tried everything to really make it possible for all those that have appropriate personal accounts to receive the payouts there.
So what to do? According to several surveys we did amongst members and their downlines, we had about 90 % of the members who would take the banking solution offered by GPP anyhow. Only 10 percent of our members would like to receive the payouts on personal accounts.
Before we go further into this, let me tell you a bit more about our banking solution:
………….
1. You will get State-of-the-Art online banking facilities with internal, domestic and international wires, account balance and history plus all the normal banking functions.
2. You will also get a debit card for your account. We even try to get you a credit card, but that’s not an easy thing to do. Card will be mailed, so keep the address information updated!
3. You can send four international wires per month free of charge.
4. The number of out-going wires is not limited.
However, the EUR value has been limited so you can transfer as much as 1.000.000 EUR (one million EUR) per month. This should be sufficient for most of us!
5. The origin of funds will be supported by sufficient documentation, so you shouldn’t face any major challenges when wiring funds into another account.
………….
So now you have some more Infos about our banking solution. We think this is a very good package that we can offer each one of you.
As we have the responsibility for all 100.000+ members, we can secure the payout only in one way:
We need to make the Banking Solution mandatory for everyone.
Of course we know that this again will give us lots of protests and complaints from some members, but we are willing to go through that. We have taken the time here trying to give you a bit more understanding for the overall situation. We tried everything but it is not possible.
Should this be unacceptable for some members then we are very sorry.
We definitely think that a payout via banking solution which we can guarantee to all our members is much, much better than to risk the payout for everyone only because we wanted to serve some members with personal accounts.
Here again we have to prove that we are a team.
We are sure once we all have been paid out everybody will be happy. And that is what counts in the end!
Now of course this Banking Solution now being mandatory to all creates some more questions which we hereby also want to take up:
- No you do NOT have to correct your agreement if you have already written your personal bank account data.
You can either leave it as it is or you can cross it out.
- Every adult will have his own Banking Solution account.
- Parents or legal guardians can include the payments for their children below legal age onto their accounts. Therefore it is only necessary to make a little note onto the agreement form of the child,
stating: “Payment onto account of FULL NAME / USERNAME.
This is the ONLY exception. Every other person will have his or her own account.
Our current schedule depends on the banking license at the moment. We haven’t been given a date when it will be granted, so I’m unable to promise the payout to happen any specific time. Even though we are dealing with a cooperative office in an extremely friendly jurisdiction, there still is a lot of bureaucracy involved in this operation.
The site will stay open for logging in your member area, purchasing Additional Policies and signing up new members.
Should there be further questions coming up we will issue them plus the answers in the forum.
Of course we will also update you on any news we receive! So always stay tuned.
In the meantime we will handle all your requests re.
failed sign ups, lost passwords, etc. Please do not worry. They will ALL get handled as long as you have sent the appropriate data.
Once more: The E-Mail Address for all your requests
is:
global.member.support@googlemail.com
Please ONLY write in English and procure all data without telling long stories. Only re-send your requests if you haven’t heard anything for over a month.
Apart from that I would like to ask all members to please keep the e-mail traffic as low as possible.
Thank you for reading this Announcement. Keep yourself updated in the forum.
And please stay confident and positive. Actually there is no rational reason to feel otherwise.
In the end when we all have been paid I am sure we all say that the waiting had paid off!
Regards,
Stella & the Team
PLEASE NOTE: This update is for GPP members only. Those, who fail to follow our rules and publish this for the general public, will be immediately inactivated from GPP without a change to be reactivated again. If you have a big downline and a mailing list, you can tell your people to visit our forum for the latest update. But that’s all! Do not reproduce the update, do not publish it for the general public! Thank you! “
Comment by JH – March 3, 2008 @ 9:56 am
Well, JH, you are probably not a member so you got this info from a member, certainly not from me. But I think humans usually have a healty brain and Stellas letter is quite positive unless somebody cannot or wilfully wil mis-interpret it! Unfortunately on this blog there are some very sick people, so we’ll see what will happend. In any case it seems that this blog has recently gone out of fashion!
Comment by extan – March 3, 2008 @ 10:09 am
Extan
Ja nee ek sit op die noord kus en die web page vat omtrent “800 years to open”. Ons het nie adsl nie.
“Incidently” there is quit a lot of info about GPP on another webpage
http://heatherwolfnetwork.blogspot.com/2008/03/confusion-about-global-pension.html
Still not sure where all this is leading.
I am not a member but One of my family members entered us all into this plan, with the hope of trying to help everyone financially.
I hope for their sake it all works out!!
A euro holiday might definetly be needed here.
Comment by AB – March 3, 2008 @ 10:12 am
i found another website that promos gpp and says payout march 08, sounds possible,
so AB wat se jy van die debakel in Vrystaat Uni, funny video made out to be rassi en wereldwyd opgeblaas word, wat van al die wit plaasboere wat vermoor word, dit word nie gewys nie. Ons weet wie is die meeste rassi, nie ons!
Comment by extan – March 3, 2008 @ 10:57 am
Extan
Daar word nooit gekla oor die wit boere wat vermoor is nie, as jy op die tv Kyk is dit altyd die kraaie wat its wil he, of kla oor die wit mense, of toi toi oor iets, na meer as tien jaar blameer hulle nogsteeds vir ap–d
Ek stem nie saam oor die pee in die kos nie, ek dink dis siek, mense verwag dit van die houts, nie die wittes nie, maak nie saak wie jy is.
Ek dink ook hulle was dom om hulle self op video te laat opneem as hulle sulke k-k wil aanvang.!! sal seker moet oor skakel engels toe
What is the address of the other site that has info on GPP
Comment by AB – March 3, 2008 @ 11:45 am
http://www.roywgrogan.com/
= pro pro info on GPP with full American colours
AB:
By the way they simply used water (H2O) in a squirt bottel, surely no pi! But they should know it’s stupid to do things like that over a potential explosive fire! But it’s only turned around by the media for maximum effect, sick world!!! Other than that it is already genocide over here, slowly killing off the minority, etc. and anarchy on the road i.e. everyone for himself!
Enjoy your time till the money arrives, then investing problems because the shares are on the ground, how about saving it under the pillow
?
Comment by extan – March 3, 2008 @ 12:23 pm
“But I think humans usually have a healty brain and Stellas letter is quite positive unless somebody cannot or wilfully wil mis-interpret it!”
It’s as believable (and well-composed) as any of the rest for this scam. ; )
Comment by JH – March 3, 2008 @ 5:15 pm
And I was talking about some very sick people!
If the shoe fits , wear it!
Comment by extan – March 3, 2008 @ 6:30 pm
Of course the letter is positive, I can write a fairy tale too if I want you to “send in new members”!
Heather Wolf doesn’t like GPP because she wants to start her OWN pension plan (Good grief, aren’t there enough of these scams, already?)
I hate to point this out, but, if the bottom has fallen out of the TEP market, who, in their right mind, will back them? They are losing horses! And, I remind, that TEP’s use REAL PROPERTY as collateral, not flesh,(which very often doesn’t stay the course). So, if there is no secondary buyer for these instruments, buyer number one would not be inclined to purchase (a REAL TEP , not GPP’s)
If they can’t trade the real ones without losing money, what are you thinking?
TEP’s simply do not trade for the amounts given in the REAL world, so,…why would you expect the truth in fairyland?
And, EXTAN, why would you worry about how expensive this site is to read, if you have so much money coming? Ask your buddy Rafikov for a loan to hold you over!
Comment by zippy – March 3, 2008 @ 6:44 pm
BTW, the “Grogan” site is really a great one. Not only does he misuse Aussie slang, but the IP is in Quebec (as I suspected) and the clipart is only paid till next week.
Does he think he’s fooling somebody?
And EXTAN, no one is being racist in here, so, stop trying to say that. I would have noticed, trust me.
Comment by zippy – March 3, 2008 @ 7:21 pm
ZIPPY IF YOU ARE A FEM THAN I UNDERSTAND, sorry you put words in my mouth that I didn’t say (as before) you should read correctly. By the way it is well known all over the world which people are the most rassi!!Must be difficult to understand Afrikaans. Sprechen Sie Deutsch dann droppen Sie um :-).
Take Care!
Comment by eXtAn – March 3, 2008 @ 9:25 pm
Hi…
Im not a member of gpp but my friend does and she was expecting it much all i care is when will it be paid out….im telling my friend that its not real but she has big hopes about it so if u can read this stella hope u make it happen…
asian girl
Comment by ayesha silva – March 4, 2008 @ 12:15 am
Quite an interesting read here. Actually it is always fascinating to see all the gyrations one will go through trying to defend a scam. I hear that Disney is looking for a few good fantasy writers for their next project. I have to admit that it would be a close call between you and Stella for the position, but if I were you I would apply anyway. As far as your math skills go, you always get 100% with the new math. It is not about solving problems correctly, but how you felt about yourself in the process. In short it is misdirected energy based in fantasy. No matter how hard you try, 3 x 6 still equals 18, not 19 as you have tried to demonstrate. Hoping it so doesn’t change the fact, nor that you felt good about yourself in the process.
Now I know this is late, and I’m sure you will not take it, but here’s a piece of advice. “It is one thing to be thought a fool, but quite another to open your mouth and remove all doubt.” In short, quit before you make an even bigger fool of yourself. You are like a screen door being used for a hatch in a submarine. You wonder why you got wet and sank.
Comment by EagleOne – March 4, 2008 @ 12:54 am
My Friends…
This is just outrageous. Extan, I will thank you for a better story than the last one… or Stella did… whatever!
Stella and Co, must really really think that us members are just plain Stupid! There are so may holes in this story that it can’t even be likend to swiss cheese.
Members, if you will please take note on just a few of these statements…
1) This statement stating if we do not get paid then they do not get paid. Right! Guess if neither of us gets paid well those dollars will just have to be returned huh? Oh, yea that’s right… you are going to claim that for yourself huh?
You know you all should have learned by now that this nonsense about another bank…Now an internet bank for doodness sake, is trying to hold you down! THAT IS CRAZY! I for one cannot accept that statement. The Bogey man lurks still…
Stated was something that we need to do.. Play as a team! Yea, let’s win this game. Let’s see now…. A team plays together, shares information together. GPP looks like a one sided show. What do we have to do for participation in this game?
If this business is totally legit, then prove it! I HAVE SEEN NOTHING SHOWING ANY REAL PAPERWORK….NONE! No letterhead, no paper noly words, elusive website etc…
“Before we go further into this, let me tell you a bit more about our banking solution:”…… Every one of those answers are full of it!
Dig # 4. Why would a bank have 1 miliion dollar limitations? STRIKE 1! What bank would this debit card go through? Little jimmy’s bank of wally world? If this crappy bank cannot transfer monies properly how would it handle thousands of debit cards transferring millions? STRIKE 2
You all know… I’m almost tired of this…
Extan, ah choo… Guess I’m one of those sick people huh?
Oh Extan… what’s the deal w/ you worring about someone using up bandwidth? Does not make sense to me. Just because you are paying for bandwidth in your internet cafe’ doesn’t mean that anyone over here has to worry about it….
JH, thanks for the info… This GPP is…
My friends, please pay attention to what we jsut saw in that posting from JH. Note how disturbed extan was when this info was presented.
By the way MARCH 4th is Tomorrow! It also looks like there was no payment!!! Did I see something about March 9th? Humph…Looks like the once a month action is no longer working…. How about taking this week by week now…
I need to find somewhere to inform others who may be uninformed. I’d like to tell them of what’s happening. They could then donate to Stella’s charity if they were so inclinded also.
Oh one last thing… Why didn’t Stella thank her donators for all of that fabulous Money! That was not very nice,now was it? Surely if she telling us all of this bull, she surely could have mentioned the status of that charity.
Until tomorrow!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – March 4, 2008 @ 4:08 am
“Always keep in mind – if you are not paid out we also do not get anything.” -Stella.
This one just cracked me up. I thought every member had to pay like 35€ to join. So, they made 3,5 million €. I would call that something.
Anyhow, Stellas letter to members was same kind of ranting that you hear in all the multilevel marketing-scams. Maybe GPP isn’t mlm exactly, but all the words used in promoting it are known for mlm:
-Be positive
-everybody else is jealous
-Money for nominal fee
-Make your dreams come true,blaah,blaah…
-Team spirit,yeah…
-once in lifetime opportunity,etc.
This site that extan suggested was a perfect example how to promote mlm-scams, or anykind of scam. If you take that as objective info about GPP, then you deserve to lose your money to these scammers.
To Extan(and to your many alter egos), maybe its time to leave your happy pills, and take a little bit of a realistic view. When you say that people should stay positive, What are you gonna say when this scam is exposed and peoples dreams are shattered? Probably nothing, because you don’t actually care, you’ll just continue to believe. You’ll be probably waiting for the “banking solution” until the end of time…
Comment by Rokka – March 4, 2008 @ 7:53 am
Hi Mike, for a change I’ve read through your letter, nothing else to read
. Anyway extan was not disturbed by anything, Stella had hoped that any GPP stuff should IDEALLY be for members only, makes sense, because you would not be interested to know about the bridalshop around the corner… ok maybe if they make a lot of money and you did not get any… greed stuff and oh yes those beautiful girls?
So such humans would only cause trouble, nothing positive as we can see on this blog.
I find it also interesting how todays internet people are mostly incognito, they live in a box somewhere, not coming to life ever, being REAL humans for a change. Thought I have been quite open about things, living at the southern tip of Africa and having lost nothing! Just need to be careful about Dina, the little guerrilla, who knows what she decides to do even if you are a peace loving guy?
Take care!
Comment by extan – March 4, 2008 @ 8:14 am
Oh Mike, I just thought that an intelligent blog would not need to read in the whole story every time including when you just contributed a few lines, because 99,5% of readers probably only read the last “unread” letters, makes sense, doesn’t it?
So the GPP money will surely come (End of March/April) and then I’ll buy a lazy chair and sip some sundowner in St. Tropez…. see you there crying
Comment by extan – March 4, 2008 @ 2:38 pm
Well extan,
I feel privelidged that you would take that time! In any case, what would be your response to post 325?
Let’s do away with the jealousy aspect. If I were not to make a cent on this scam, I would be so very happy for all of the members here! Mybe thay could visit you at your local internet cafe’, drink a few of your local beverages, and just have a good ole’ time… Oh yea, and enjoy some girls in the mean time. Maybe you can tell us where you are ion that southern tip of Africa. Got an address other than a P.O. Box or Fed Ex station?
When the dollars roll, we’ll all be there.
Let me make a last statement. That last paragraph describes you so well that I don’t know why you even said it! Incognito! You all or Stella and co, do not have NOT 1 actual address for anything! Don’t say anything about incognito.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – March 4, 2008 @ 2:39 pm
extan,
I sounded to negative here. Sorry, enjoy your drink…
Comment by mikecheck – March 4, 2008 @ 3:13 pm
Extan,
I’ll agree with you in respect to the last few emails are the ones that are usually read. So… I’ll just reference those of consequence.
Might I ask you, as you are so confident of this payout, would you be concerned if GPP was to runaway with these considerable funds? This being used for “administrative costs or something of that nature”. If not might I also ask, What was this money supposed to be used for anyway!? I thought that it was being used to buy the policies!
Rokka, post 325… I’d say that this was an excellent observation…
Everyone please also re review post 323. Excellent point.
Again I must say to JH, thank you for getting that information in your post 311!!! Members, please enjoy this information… Oh yes, this is a secret, so keep it to yourselves! You might even be tempted not to read it. I would however, again! Oh and once again, dig that .google email address AGAIN! How professional does that sound?!?!?
LASTLY (again)…
Today’s March 4th!!!! Tell me who gets the first payout!!! It’s now past August, then November, then december then January, then Feb 28th, and did I just hear March 9th. Pehaps I’m repeating myself from a revious post, but I AM NOT WRONG about the fact that this payout has not been had by ANYONE!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – March 4, 2008 @ 5:56 pm
Hi Mike and all!
I don’t base my thoughts on critical calculations but rather on how humans (and GPP) react to changing conditions. Consequently it does not make sense for GPP to run away, I think they know that they and the world will do much better to see this project through as good as they can.
I’m pretty sure all present signs are in the right direction and we just need to be a bit patient and not mess up things. Unfortunately there are always forces that feed the greed and GPP needs strong determination to succeed!
Comment by extan – March 4, 2008 @ 7:10 pm
If I understood the explanation given by GPP when this all started, your fee was an admin fee only. This fee was to pay for your “banking solution” not any policy. First, this fee could not come close to paying the first premium cost of the policy. One of the issues with your just being able to pay an admin fee, but not have to pay any premium for the policy is false. If you are having a policy issued in your name, or anyone’s name, the person in whose name the policy is issued “MUST” pay the initial premium. A third party cannot pay this first month’s premium. The policy has been issued in “YOUR NAME.” You can transfer the policy once it is “yours,” meaning it has been issued in your name, but not before. Another issues is GPP keeps interchanging Pension and Endowment in their explanataion. An endowment can be issued in a child’s name, but a pension policy cannot. There are major differences between a pension policy and an endowment policy. They are not interchangeable as GPP has presented their program. I think this is what has caused most of the confusion to the members. If they have put together a new policy that combines both elements, then they would have to register this product with every insurance regulatory agency in every country. This they have not done. In fact, they are not licensed or registered in any country to sell any kind of product.
Now the list as to why this is a scam is about a mile long by now. All the “positives” trying to make it not so will not change the fact this is a scam. What is even more interesting is in the promotion piece, if you want to call it that, states the policies will be sold by the membership “discretely” promoting it to their friends and family. Now, please tell me this has been “discretely” promoted by the membership. Makes me wonder what GPP thinks “discretely” really means. Actually it was just fluff making people feel comfortable with selling their friends and family on joining.
As to Stella’s last update. So many holes even swiss cheese could not hold a candle. In regard to Stella’s statement, and I quote: “However the established international Banking World has already reacted to these future upcoming payouts.” how does the International Banking World know about the future payouts, and the membership doesn’t? On another note, please tell me how anyone can cause any problems with a legal company, no matter how hard they may try? The claim is GPP is not legitimate. If they are, end of story with any regulatory agency or law enforcement agency taking any action to shut them down. If they are not, well a totally different story. Me thinks GPP doth protest too much.
As for this paying out in anyone’s lifetime it is nil, nada, zero, zilch and ain’t going to happen. You may be sitting in a bar having a drink extan, but you will be paying for it, not GPP. That is unless you have been paid to “promote” this scam. Then you could be buying drinks with GPP money, but that’s the only way.
Just an added thought for the membership. Were you aware by encouraging others to sign up under you in GPP you could be charged with selling unregistered securities? How many do you have in your downline extan?
Comment by EagleOne – March 4, 2008 @ 7:20 pm
OK, you may notice that I have changed the blog a little. A maximum of just 25 comments will be shown on the blog at any one time unless you choose to “Show All”.
Hopefully this will make it easier for those on dial-up connections or limited bandwidth.
Let me know if you prefer it this way or not.
Thanks, Ben
Comment by Ben – March 4, 2008 @ 9:38 pm
Is it me or have the posts gone into a reverse chronology?
Comment by zippy – March 4, 2008 @ 11:07 pm
Ben,
Is it possible to have the page set up as you did originally?
Thanks,
MikeCheck
[Edit by Ben: Just click on "Show All" and it will show all comments and sort them as they were - oldest first]
Comment by MikeCheck – March 5, 2008 @ 12:12 am
Thanks Ben this is much better, I am on a dialup. the page is a lot faster now !! Great !!
Comment by AB – March 5, 2008 @ 6:43 am
EagleOne:
Seems you are outdoing MC?
Anyway I do not unserstand what you mean, I freak out with negative, humans, I did not promote GPP, just using my “talent” to see things in proper perspective (hope), thats all, GPP will pay out! I’m sure you will not like it when they do!!! I have no downline, got sponsored by somebody else, just 55K! But my girlfriend…. hmmmm
Comment by extan – March 5, 2008 @ 9:08 am
Thanks Ben!
Comment by extan – March 5, 2008 @ 9:09 am
extan: Let me explain to you, since you seem to feign ingorance as to what “promote” means: To further the progress or growth of: advance; To advocate the adoption or use of; to try to sell or popularize by publicity. As to your “talent,” as you call it, you mistake talent for ignorance. It doesn’t take any “talent” to promote a scam. Someone with “talent” would have known immediately this was a scam. But nice try. As for me being disappointed, you have got to be kidding; but you on the other hand are in for a big disappointment. That is if you truly believe GPP is real. Personally I just think you “pretend” to believe it is real.
You are also wrong on your statement that I seem to be trying to out do someone. But you keep living in fantasy land, believing in the tooth fairy, and that the Easter Bunny is coming soon. As for whether or not you don’t have anyone in your downline, I really don’t care. But I find it strange for someone who doesn’t have that much vested in GPP, as you now claim, you sure try to defend it. But I love your trying to defend the indefensible. Now that is funny.
Now if you like, I can post all your “quotes” about GPP just from this thread if that will help refresh your memory. You know the ones where you were encouraging all to join, telling how great GPP is, don’t believe all the negativity people are saying about GPP; in short “promoting.” I’ll be glad to if it will help you with your memory loss. Always want to help others in need.
Comment by EagleOne – March 5, 2008 @ 11:05 am
EagleOne, sure you are a habitual trouble maker like I have never seen before, you really need help desperately, I know enough about psychology to see what is your trouble, please go for urgent help!
Nothing more to say, you do not need to remind me about anything! Just F go!
Comment by extan – March 5, 2008 @ 11:29 am
“I don’t base my thoughts on critical calculations but rather on how humans (and GPP) react to changing conditions. Consequently it does not make sense for GPP to run away, I think they know that they and the world will do much better to see this project through as good as they can.”
- Extan
Can’t argue you with there, you surely don’t base your thoughts on critical calculations, otherwise you’d see this scam for what it is. I think con-artists behind GPP will do much better when they see this project go through and run away with few million € still left in their pockets. For the world, I wouldn’t say the same. At least 100000 people won’t be any better after this charade is through. But it’s only 35€, so in the end, it not so much only and some people just have learn their lesson. And “Stella” and friends are off to another scam.
Mark my words, sometime soon there’s going to be a request from GPP to members, to send some additional money for “transfer fees” and “banking solution”. Maybe something little, like 20€.
And there’s going to be morons who pay that and blindly continue to believe in GPP.
In my opinion, GPP is just one kind of “nigerian letter scam”: pay something, in exchange for later reward ( which are often huge, comparing to money invested).
Of course, GPPs story was little more believable, comparing to stories behind ordinary nigerian scams. I am willing to apologise to GPP and everybody that I might have hurt with my writings, if GPP is proven legit and pays out. So, can any of you GPP promoters offer any names,contact infos etc. about trust partners, pension insurance providers, banks involded in transactions, and so on?
How about it, Extan?
And just to inform everybody, I am one envious,pessimistic,,cynical,sick individual with no hope in my heart( I am just saying this to save you the trouble of calling me that, so you can actually answer to my question)
Comment by Rokka – March 5, 2008 @ 11:56 am
Hi Rokka, really I do not have any direct info about GPP, but nobody wants to understand the simple fact that human behaviour has been well studied, I think that one week in Feb. when GPP was off they must have been so pissed off with that project because of all the greedy/bullying banks etc. etc., but then it dawned on them that too much pressure would result if they actually run away… and now they are back. There are enough positive sign that appear to confirm this… even though they act utterly un-professional!
If any of you have ever done commodity trading you will have time and again met all those jerks that try and do pull the rug from under your feet, big banks are the biggest bastards as far as doing that, usually inside jobs.
Kind Regards!
Comment by extan – March 5, 2008 @ 12:28 pm
OK….Defending financial transations with jealousy? That is one of the most rediculous things that I’ve ever heard!
Please, enough with this supposed bullying around. If GPP were so much of a “secret” in the first place, how would they even know to “have your rug pulled from under you”!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – March 5, 2008 @ 12:58 pm
Extan,..how can you claim your poor trades on the banks? Honestly. I’ve been trading for 20 years, and That’s noob talk.
Stella claimed to have the banks and trust partners, all 5 of them, in her corner from the beginning. It should have been a done-deal. So, where are they?
The banks aren’t pulling the rug out. The plan is illegal and has already consisted of obvious money-laundering ploys.
Don’t blame it on the banks if the robbers can’t get into the vault!
Comment by zippy – March 5, 2008 @ 3:59 pm
Zippy and Mike, sorry I seem to use a different language because I do not understand what you appear to say. Com.-trading (not me) is trading diamonds, oil, cement, etc, so if you do not have a direct link to a supplier, you may lose your commission, whatever and simply be cut off, the other guy may be hiding somewhere so going to court may also not be a “cheap” option or he may actually be the brother of the prime minister or a big company! Since banks are also a link, often handling the contract and money, some particular banks are well known for their practice to simply taking over, after you have organised the dealit, it may be an inside job. So keep on trusting your bank, why do you think are they so powerful??? Sure you will counter me again!!
Comment by extan – March 5, 2008 @ 4:46 pm
Given that these banks are such cut-throat profiteers, they’d certainly recognize that GPP’s entire scheme relies on buying a policy at 41K and then immediately, with no increase in value, turning around and selling it to them for 120K. But then I suppose that they’re just being nice guys in this case huh? ; )
Comment by JH – March 5, 2008 @ 5:14 pm
JH,
An excellent straight to the point example. Why would any bank do such a thing?
How much sense does this make. Tell you what, you send me $100.00 today, and I’ll send you $10,000 next week.
There may be a temporary delay however… A delay like let’s say… Next month, then wait, the month after that, then wait, two weeks later, then wait, next week, no, tomorrow!!
Extan, do you understand what we are seeing, feeling?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – March 5, 2008 @ 7:21 pm
In regard to this post of yours extan, and I quote: “EagleOne, sure you are a habitual trouble maker like I have never seen before, you really need help desperately, I know enough about psychology to see what is your trouble, please go for urgent help!
Nothing more to say, you do not need to remind me about anything! Just F go!” surely you jest. You know psychology, and I am the one who needs urgent help? Do you do stand-up comedy in your spare time too?
Guess I hit a nerve with you. I love how you keep misdirecting any difficult questions to something else that has no relevance to the question; but saves you from answering. Well, at least you think it does. You say and reveal far more by not answering than you would if you did. How’s that for psychology? Bummer isn’t it.
As I said before, it is so much fun reading your posts and how you tap dance around every question. Your most ridiculous statement was I am a habitual trouble maker like you have never seen. Guess you don’t get out much. Took me about 10 minutes to stop laughing on that one. As for my going away, you wish. You had better fasten your seatbelt because for you this could be a bumpy ride.
Comment by EagleOne – March 5, 2008 @ 8:15 pm
“Why would any bank do such a thing?”
Answer - they wouldn’t. And that’s the fatal flaw in ALL of these RPP deals.
Especially so in GPP’s case to the tune of doing it X 350,000 policies at a total of 42,000,000,000 Euro. Yes, that’s 42 BBBBILLION! or about $65 BILLION USD. That’s simply an absurd amount of money to begin with but even more so when you recognize that it would need to be free cash paid all at once. That alone should tell you that this deal is complete fantasy.
Comment by JH – March 5, 2008 @ 8:33 pm
extan, I am being serious here and would appreciate your honest answers to my questions. How did you go from being negative about GPP on 2/12 to a “believer” in GPP on 2/25? I know you referenced Stella’s post as being an eye opener for you, but what was the eye opener in her post for you that made you change your mind?
Comment by EagleOne – March 5, 2008 @ 9:31 pm
I just got an email from my upline with some dates.
GOOD NEWS:
GLOBAL HAS SECURED THE BANK SOLUTION AND THE SITE WILL CLOSE THE END OF MARCH.
APRIL 1, WE WILL RECEIVE INFORMATION ON WHERE TO SEND OUR DOCUMENTS
THE MEMBERSHIP HAS ONE MONTH TO COMPLETE THIS AND IN MAY ALL DOCUMENTS WILL BE IN THE HANDS OF THE INSURANCE COMPANY.
PAYOUT IS EXPECTD TO BE LATE MAY/ BEGINNING OF JUNE
Anyone else hear this info??
Comment by Magoo – March 6, 2008 @ 12:56 am
Eagle,
That is a good observation. Yes, extan what was the deal there? We are not being confrontational. I’m truly curious too.
Everyone, let’s all look at this approximation of 35 Billion dollars. Let’s think about this for a minute. 1 Billion dollars is 1 thousand Million! So we have here 42 thousand Million dollars. Do you really think that one person is handling that much money! Let’s think about the Richest people in the world. They may have this approximate worth, but they are not employing 1 person to handle finances! There are surely thousands of people handling such. —
On another note, again why would poor little Stella need aditional monies for her charity? If she is handling all or these dollars, or even the “Front man” so to speak, surely she is totally paid. What was this additonal money needed for?
Can anyone suggest to me a possible reason for a billion dollar company to engage their name, to benefit this front man?
Returning to the original question;
Why negative then Positive?
What sense does the asking for additional contracts…. 40 dollar contracts make to such a large company…
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – March 6, 2008 @ 1:35 am
“What sense does the asking for additional contracts…. 40 dollar contracts make to such a large company…”
Psssttt… Hey Mike… I’m going to reveal “The Secret” but you must promise NOT reveal it to anyone outside of this blog…
It’s Warren Buffet behind it. He’s blowing his whole wad on this deal in one shot but, even as the world’s richest man by the Forbes list released today, he’s only good for about $62 billion. He needs the ~$40 each to make up the difference. He’s too proud to let it be know that he’s a little short. That’s the reason for all of the secrecy.
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Comment by JH – March 6, 2008 @ 2:41 am
JH,
Thanks for the info! I’ll be sure to keep it quiet!!! I especially would not like for the jealous bankers to get a hlod of this info! They may shut us down! Hey this secret is safe with me! Tell you what, tell me which country to electronicaly send those $40 to. Our dollars should fly then!
Extan,
to your post 345, I have one word for you… WHAT? Are you actually making a statement or are you talking around in circles so much that you don’t even understand this yourself? If this is sounding negative, although extreemly dificult, I don’t want it to…
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – March 6, 2008 @ 4:02 am
Question to Ben:
Hi Ben, I’m bored with this comments page and have a question about one of your other Internet Schemes on your Blog. What is your E Mail address so I can ask you some questions. Thanks Sammy.
[Edit by Ben: Hi Sammy, just send me an email to the address listed here: http://www.bizoppsuk.com/feedback.php. Thanks, Ben]
Comment by SM – March 6, 2008 @ 6:33 am
JH: What incredible news. With people knowing this, why those additional 250,000 policies will all be sold in no time. Not only that, but just think of how much quicker they will resolve the banking solution issue. This will shave months off that process.
The possibilities are endless here with this news. Thanks for revealing it.
Comment by EagleOne – March 6, 2008 @ 7:45 am
Hello,Extan and greetings from snowy Finland . I do agree about that human behaviour is well studied nowadays. Of course, it really doesn’t have anything to do with topic at hand. Since you emphasize your knowledge about human psychology, try checking out Kubler-Ross model and does it apply to you? I think your in the first stage: Denial. I’m betting we’re going to see your next stage soon, which is anger. That happens when “stella” and others behind this scam pull the plug. Please enlighten me, what are the positive signs you’re talking about? Only signs that there are, are coming from Stella. So, you basically trust everything she says, has it occured to you that she might not be telling the truth? I understand your need to see positive things in other people, I think it’s a good thing. But I’ve worked in war zones and I have seen what humans can do to each other, and this scam is nothing in comparison. I think Ms. “Stella Pohjola” and others don’t give a S**t about dissapointing these people, as long as they get their money. After all, nobody knows who they are(names,nationality etc.), where they live, basically nobody knows nothing about them. They just count on the fact that people won’t start pursuing them or contact authorities over lost money, because the amount is so small. So scammers do know something about psychology as well…
Comment by Rokka – March 6, 2008 @ 7:46 am
Hi Sammy, I totally agree with you about this blog, because it really really suckssss, I can only quote Albert Einstein who said the stupidity of humans is infinite e = mc(sq) ! Talking in circuits, hi hi… I was just trying to answer Zippys question, she obviously did not know about commodity trading, selling gold and blood diamonds, E2 oil etc. And I’m not talking about illegal trading!
Your reactions just show that you do not seem have any streetwise knowledge, just your habitual negativity and utter crap! By the way about my so called change from negative to positive, I had explained it in one of my letters, but I think an average intelligent person could pick it up anyway. Happy reading EagleOne, rock on baby
Comment by extan – March 6, 2008 @ 8:01 am
Actually, Extan, E=mc(sq) was : all energy in the universe is constant, not infinite.
I know about commodity trading , dear, I find the concept of trading gold and blood diamonds (which is basically ALL diamonds except industrail dust) offensive, since they both denote the oppression of some people and the ravaging of land by big business. I also wear no gold or diamonds, nor do I buy as gifts because I am offended by them. They are the symbols of ultimate greed, where men will kill/oppress/steal from others to take ownership. And what are they? Rocks.
You’re correct, Extan, it’s not illegal trading,…it’s UNETHICAL trading. I don’t condemn the rest of the world for doing it,..most of them are not aware of the means by which those “commodities’ are wrested from the people.
I definitely don’t need to defend my ’streetwise’ knowledge, since I can see myself, and you cannot. You sound like a bragging kid, though. You need to watch your back, because it’s cockiness like yours that gets people into trouble. Someone is not going to like your attitude and, unfortunately, you apparently are not aware that “a little learning is a dangerous thing”, meaning,-you talk about knowing human psychology, yet, I doubt you’ve had more that a freshman required course. This happens with people who take one course in psych- they think they can analyse the planet.
I am not habitually negative, by any means, as a matter of fact, I would be bery pleased to see this pay off, it would make many people happy.
HOWEVER, it will not because it is quite simply mathematically and financially impossible.
And, until “Stella” starts to pay out from the first 100,000, it is UNETHICAL and GREEDY to ask others to become members so that you can add to your “until-they-arrive” imagined referral bonuses.
Now. forget about making smart comments to confuse the rest,…do you , directly or indirectly, work for Boulat Rafikov or World Park? Yes or no?
Comment by zippy – March 6, 2008 @ 8:51 am
Hi Zippy, I liked your letter, now I know you are a women, I’m quite aware that I’m not part of this blog, this is mainly for scam lovers and they react visiously against any positive statement, they even told me it was sad that I changed from my initial stance. Actually if GPP will not pay then I’ll join to go into full gear, then it’s all about working towards a common goal and Dina will be my favourite :-)! No link to WP or BR, no clue who/what that is, I work for a Technical University, Electronics/Mechanics/Psychology/Medical.
Tomorrow I’ll be on the operating table, watching my back… actually last time they forgot to take a biopsy of a lymph node in my chest so here we come again, wasting money, no cancer suspected! ICU op may follow later, then ok again.
Kind Regards
Comment by extan – March 6, 2008 @ 9:19 am
Thank you for answering that, Extan. Although if you are from namibia I am surprised you say you do not know what World Park is, and yet you’re in GPP.
And no, I do not LOVE SCAMS. I hate to see people hurt. There are many people who scraped their money together to send in to this thing, hoping and praying for a better life. Some borrowed to buy multiple policies. I truly would like this to pay out just so that some people who are in need, could no longer be in the position, but it really isn’t possible, and it certainly irresponsible for Stella to even ALLOW purchase of policies when she/he has not paid out the first 100,000, or even the first 10!
I also really dislike lack of transparency and refusing to explain a method, this screams scam, and if it is not a scam, then it is disrespectful for Stella to assume the members are too stupid to understand. This lack of a last name or proper contact info is not acceptable.
Good luck on your surgery. You have no socialized medicine there? I’m sure that is frightening for you, ..not the surgery,..I mean, getting the bill!
Seriously, all the best on your op,…we need you to be well so you can carry on arguing!
Comment by zippy – March 6, 2008 @ 1:03 pm
Hi Zippy,
Neverland says there are now 130 000 members, good for the downlines if they pay. Have not been to Namibia since 1986, I know Etosha Pan etc, not WP? My gf bought me a membership, well if she gets her G money, something to write home about and to help needy people!! She says March is our month and I know she is right! Don’t worry too much about the un-pro stuff, they can’t even write proper English, but may still be good business people.
I have a hospital plan and there is no limit to what the doctors, etc. can gobble up. It is just having to get to sleep again and the scope down your chest gives a sore throat, they could have done it last time.
Take Care!
Comment by extan – March 6, 2008 @ 1:35 pm
“Neverland says there are now 130 000 members…”
So why then are they still taking new members?
Even if you buy their story and numbers, if the expectation is that they need more than a 30% buffer to account for people who won’t follow through, then that should tell you that’s there’s little hope that they’ll EVER get this done. At that level, the continual “turn-over” of that buffer will mean extended delays (i.e., 30% of whatever buffer will always be in doubt and need to be replenished).
Also, I thought that they had some +127,000 back in December? Again, if there’s that little net growth over 2 months, and that’s with their peak number of members to refer others, then that tells you there’s a problem in that they’re not building fast enough to continue to maintain the needed buffer (i.e., to maintain the same level, they should have over 15,000 in growth from December not only ~3,000 more).
But then it’s really not worth putting that much serious analysis into this…
Comment by JH – March 6, 2008 @ 5:30 pm
Did some clown finally say that we’d have to wait like 2 months or something to that effect? I truly cannot believe that they would have the gaul to insult us members like this… I knew that this was going to happen. In this last statement, I do not mean that I was guessing that this would happen. I truly knew that this would. February 28th has come and gone! So has March 3rd. Day that the banks opened after the Feb 28th date.
Extan, do you consider this wait to be an acceptable amount of time to wait for the pay out?
Do you think that it is ok for Stella to be putting us off?
Comment by MikeCheck – March 7, 2008 @ 2:59 am
stella your a liar…… pay out now…… prove to us ur not……
Comment by ayesa – March 7, 2008 @ 5:50 am
Hi,
Really no use to try to calculate, after GPP opened up 100K quite a number of members bought more than one additinal “reverse pension” and that gets reflected in the “growing” total saving, quite amazing how it grows, WOW dreamland, why should it if they plan to run away?
Well Mike I’m ok to wait some more, as long as they pay out, let it grow in the meantime, not mine only 55K static, TeamThemco wants to have it after April 5, I think that’s when the British tax years ends.
No food this morning, will be put to sleep only 16h (chest biopsy), will be hungry tonight
Comment by extan – March 7, 2008 @ 8:03 am
extan: Wishing you all the best with your procedure, and look forward to your return posting.
Comment by EagleOne – March 7, 2008 @ 9:55 am
Dear friends,
I was with EXTAN this evening when he came out of theatre. Still a bit dazed, but he is doing well. He sends his regards to all his friends and will hopefully be back on the blog soon to argue away once more!
Sometimes we do not realize how fortunate we are when we have good health. We work ourselves to death to get rich, and then we have to use the money to buy back our health!
Take care and God bless.
Comment by JL – March 7, 2008 @ 8:34 pm
Extan,
I hope that your prcedure went well. I know that inasive procedures can be painful. JL your comment is quite true. Health is worth much more than we often consider….
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – March 7, 2008 @ 9:12 pm
“He sends his regards to all his friends and will hopefully be back on the blog soon to argue away once more!”
JL, thanks for passing on the news. Please let extan know that we are looking forward to having him back safe and well on the blog.
Cheers,
Ben
Comment by Ben – March 7, 2008 @ 10:58 pm
“I was with EXTAN this evening when he came out of theatre. Still a bit dazed, but he is doing well.”
He always seemed a bit dazed. ; )
Get well soon Extan.
Comment by JH – March 7, 2008 @ 11:29 pm
So,…. What do we do now? At this point, we know nothing is to come of this program. I suppose that we can attempt to let others know that this is a waste of their money? Each dy that this does not get shut down, these clowns are making money!
As we have now seen, in the few days that we have spoken, there have been thousands of new contracts…. Now what will come of these I wonder? ANSWER: Go into these clowns’ pocket.
Might I provide a poll to see what the consensus is amongst us readers, participants?
A) Belive that this will pay out soon
B) Believe that it will pay out at some point
C) Want to believe, due to money invested
D) Think that this will not pay
E) Pretty sure that this will not pay/SCAM
I’m just curious, I’m sure that we all are and would like to know the general consensus…
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – March 8, 2008 @ 3:21 am
Man Stella and the never never gang kill me …my sides are hurting from laughing.
The gpp forum has nevrland posting to himself… not much going on..
march is it…we shall get paid?
Comment by Busting Gut – March 8, 2008 @ 4:49 am
Who is Neverland?
Comment by MikeCheck – March 8, 2008 @ 6:54 am
Mike: In regard to your question, and I quote: “Who is Neverland?”
My guess is Michael Jackson.
Comment by EagleOne – March 8, 2008 @ 8:03 am
Hi Again, so you want us to argue to heat up this blog ;-)? Thanks for the support!!
It seems many more are reading this blog and do not contribute, at least now we know, but the general trend appears to be utter frustration at GPP’s non-response… not paying out ASAP, etc. How can anyone be positive considering such a scenario… I think one can, as I explained before, just be patient, things will surely happen!
Just a snippet, hospital staff must had a good time,laughing, they did not give me a full anaesthetic, said just a slight dose of sleep would be ok, no problems to be expected… later they told me I was stroking the sisters softly and wanting to kiss them, one being nearly in my bed, fortunately I said JL was the best one
Well I’m still dozing, lovely dream!
Comment by extan – March 8, 2008 @ 12:05 pm
What’s wrong with you, Extan? You’re not arguing? Did they remove something while you were under? Like…… your attitude?
I’m just kidding. Glad to see you’re in good spirits. Maybe you should ask the anaesthetist who short-dosed you, if he’ll give you a “doggy bag” for the bit he owes you. LOL
Comment by zippy – March 8, 2008 @ 10:40 pm
Extan,
Again, I am glad that everything now is fine.
On another note however, waiting and being patient is like starting at square 1! How patient should we be? This is a supposed 2 year program? Well it is now about 1/2 year later! I cannot say that I know of ANY program that does not conform to it’s own policy.
Perhaps you could give us all a hit of what ever this is that the Dr’s are giving you. The rest and dreams is what a lot of members need as they are being stolen away by Stella.
This wait is unacceptable. As you have been in this program for a while, why do you think that it is ok to continue waiting for this payout? Consider this payout as being your bi-monthy paycheck. Now I don’t know about you, but if my employer would be telling me to wait and be patient for 2 yrs to get my check, I’d think that I’d be seeing the authorities. In effect I simply asking… asking us all… Would we stand for an employer to not pay us, and simply wait until whenever (or when his bank has finally found a way to send the check to us, due to some continually changeing reason)?
This example, might explain some members frustration. As for those who have been waiting for 2 yrs… This hurts me, and I have nothing to do with their finances… It’s just wrong…
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – March 9, 2008 @ 1:01 am
Mike, this GPP stuff is not your salary, I had one investment (EQUITY) that brought in more than my rotten salary and what some members can get out from GPP is more like a complete CHANGE OF LIFE, so we can wait!!!!What’s in another (GUESS)4 to 6 weeks?
No Zippy,all they removed are just a few cells fom a lymph node and t he lung, quite certain it’s sarcoids stage 1 getting cortisone in any case it should cure it soon,normally young persons get it. The sarc’s unfortunately triggerd excess blood calcium and that ultimately kills your kidneys and you, so if you ever feel funny rather go for a simple checkup!
Mike,I told the Dr that I get to sleep rather difficult, so he flushed some horrible stuff down my throat and nose, I think we should get that spray, maybe it’s dating stuff to convert to 1001 nights Don Juan’s
We really need it to get over GPP!
Comment by extan – March 9, 2008 @ 8:03 am
extan it is good to have you back and see that all went well with your procedure.
Let me give you a little different take to consider on all the delays by GPP. Instead of GPP, let’s say that you went to your local bank and they told you that if you would “invest” $40, or whatever, with them in a CD they would pay you the sum of $55,000. But they needed to have 100,000 people sign up and pay for 100,000 CD’s, but once they reached this 100,000 they would pay all in 60 days. You think this is a good deal, so you purchase a CD. They then announce they have had 100,000 sign up for the CD. Then they tell you that a few issues have come up with their accounting software, and the payment will be delayed until they can get it fixed. Just prior to the end of the 60 days they announce you can purchase more CD’s, in fact up to another 250,000 will be available for all who purchased initially. This is to compensate for the delays in paying. They then set another date for payment 60 day from this announcement.
But just before the 60 days rolls around, the bank says gee we hit a snag we hadn’t planned on, but we will continue to let you purchase more CD’s, but we cannot give you a timeline when we will be paying on the 100,000 CD’s. In fact, we will have to go month to month with any news as to when we will be able to resolve the banking issues we have unexpectedly encountered.
Now just how patient do you think people should be? Do you really believe people should not be upset or just plain mad? Do you think any rational human being would not have reported them to the authorities with all those excuses and delays?
Comment by EagleOne – March 9, 2008 @ 9:06 am
Extan,
you state that this GPP stuff is not your salary. You also state that this investment (EQUITY) will provide us with these great gains! Well, something such as a program providing this EQUITY, should be able to give us an update of hte monies being had… Their dollar status… Even anything through the e-mail DIRECTLY to the members. Not something that Stella said to everyone in some website.
I don’t know about you, but as I’d have invested in such a program, don’t you think that you could get at least an email? It’s been sent. An individual mass email should not be hard to do at all!!! … Ha, unless that is too much of a task to hit a BUTTON…Or is it that those emails have been trashed in the first place…
I’d invite GPP to send us a one line statement that ways “have a good day”! This would at least prove that the emails are at least recorded! In effect, I do not believe that there is an email data base, and if so, why has there not been ANY comunication!!!
Yes the GPP program might represent a “Change of life” But as I said earlier, it has taken a long time for this “change of life” Another 4 -6 weeks is still not acceptable…. People have been led around with this 4 - weeks for months and people who have entered the program have been waiting for years to get this payout! A respectful program would have had this all together on the FIRST day of the payout!!
Is there anyone who dissagrees?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – March 9, 2008 @ 2:30 pm
I have to agree Mike, I was one of those that thought it was a scam,but thought what the hell, worth a try. but now i have given up hope of it paying out, whats worse is how stupid gpp seem to think we are by getting us to buy more when they cannot sort the payments for the original 100,000! And this total lack of communication and proffesionalism. however busy Stella is, it would not take long to post a small message on the forum daily to let us know what is going on. Extan, im glad you are ok, we all want this to work but i dont see it happening.
Comment by Blade68 – March 9, 2008 @ 9:54 pm
Mike: It is done this way for a purpose, and that purpose is to remain anonymous. By only having communication through an anonymous host for the website, they think they have been able to remain anonymous. If they started blasting E-mails to all, they fear they could be traced and would be exposed. Even using an anonymous E-mail host. Everyone just thinks they are dealing with a known entity, and that entity has been Stella. But you really don’t know who Stella really is, or even if she exists. You don’t even know if she is a she or a man. What is amazing is just how many people will accept doing business with a total anonymous entity, but who is going to make you rich.
Comment by EagleOne – March 9, 2008 @ 9:54 pm
Blade and Eagle,
I could not agree with you both more. Yes, GPP really thinks that we are totally stupid. Must think that we have funds to just throw in the wind. Yes, and the 100,000 as we’ve been saying… This has not been paid, so anyone coming in now in efect, are throwing dollare into their pocket. For goodness sake, what are they being told? Money right around the corner?
Being anonymous… What a great way to accept money and not have to answer for anything! I have to say, they did a job… a good one at escaping identification. Jumping around servers, email addresses and bogus internet banks.
I’d love to see some type of communication stating that I’m wrong, but it’s not happening.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – March 10, 2008 @ 3:16 am
Yes, it is about time for GPP to respond with a few lines, we need to be reassures, it smells of unprofessionl conduct! Stella must be so busy that she does not notice all the flies humming around her head
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Not much else can be said, Neverland lets a few people write on their website, maybe relieving their frustration. Surely GPP can contact the “bank solution” I guess in Kuala Lumpur and get an estimated time scale and inform us ASAP!
Mike about my equity investment, it is with a local (very smart) private company started 1974, they have a selection of profitable company (commercial, industrial, financials) shares and did extremely well (better than most) until mid last year (typically 50%+ per year) but as you know the share market is currently in the doldrums, nothing moves!
I think GPP reads this blog, just watch, I guess they will get our hints!
Comment by extan – March 10, 2008 @ 9:29 am
Well, if GPP is truly seeking a banking solution in Malaysia, then the latest elections do not bode well for them receiving it anytime soon. Major losses by the ruling party of the last 20 or so years, and you will basically have a new government coalition in order to get anything done. What will happen is truly up in the air right now, as no-one really knows what all this means to government, the economy, and the financial markets. It is going to take some time before this cloud disappears.
Having said that, I still don’t believe they are looking for any banking solution. This was just a means to raise more money without having to pay anything out. Think about this for just a moment. Let’s assume they really are working on a banking solution. Then why haven’t they provided the contact information for all those documents to be sent. Doesn’t it stand to reason that while they are working on the banking solution they should be having all those documents submitted? This would give them plenty of time to weed out those that didn’t qualify, and be ready when the banking solution does come. Instead you have total silence, but the good news is you can still purchase more policies. ROFLOL!
Comment by EagleOne – March 10, 2008 @ 7:37 pm
The “email to all members” has been suspended on GPP’s site, I wonder why! Also i cannot contact gpp, the page times out. this is ridiculous. please dont anybody send them more money! they have allready had enough!
Comment by Blade68 – March 10, 2008 @ 9:04 pm
I finally got an email off to gpp,
Hi, What is going on? everyone is saying this is a scam. Why no contact? However busy you are you could surely spend 5 minutes a day to post something on the forum. Why are you still selling policies when the first 100000 have not been paid? If the payment is not sorted out then you should not be selling any more policies. straight answers would be appreciated.
Comment by Blade68 – March 10, 2008 @ 9:10 pm
Does anyone know what happened to moneymakergroup forum on GGP? It kept me busy while waiting for payment - sad girl. This forum may do the trick. It is lonely to be the only one around who believes that they will pay.
Comment by Mrs Jones – March 10, 2008 @ 10:18 pm
Blade,
I must say that this is a truly sad situation. Now how can a Billion dollar company have a suspended email? Wendy’s burgers are not a billion dollar business, but I’ll bet that you’d never catch their server down! Now how many times has it happened here? Again, the email… Ha! That is simply rediculous! Members, I’d be willing to bet that they have no idea of what most of our emails are. If so… Well let’s put it this way… Has there been ANY corespondance from them to your email? I’m curious… Anything sent directly to you!?
I’ll tell you, I cannot wait to find out the response that you are given! If you get one that is… Good msg. that you sent!
Everyone,
I’m afraid that we are about to be left holding the bag. I’d say that the only solution that these clowns are looking for is to how they will break camp! Soon to be off to a new scam I’m sure. I’ll bet that they will milk this to the very end. If money continues to fall into their hands for free, why not huh? A good scam GPP. Yes a good one.
Stella is surely a busy one. Busy doing exactly what though… Has she ever said what she does exactly? I’d say no, other than some undiscriptive bull. Has anthing ever been said, other than “it’s coming, wait and be calm, next month, be patient, banking solution, etc”. I’ll tell you the list goes on and on! At the same time never saying one complete scentence about the status, or what is trully going on w/ our money. Well maybe not all of it, but we did find out that GPP or whoever is playing the FOREX market, having fun trading currencies, trying to make money for….NOT US, but for themselves!
Yes, we have been taken for a ride in a virtual truck, with a virtual business.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – March 10, 2008 @ 11:51 pm
Do not despair, MikeCheck. There are people/entities, with verifiable addresses and phone numbers, who are attached physically and financially to Stella.
They’ve been in GPP since it hit the internet, and simply say they “found” this opportunity.
But, I am sure you see, they did not “find” GPP. …they were the “cheerleaders”.
I’m not talking about naive individuals who come out to defend a cause they half-understand.
Just those “in it from the beginning” pimps who also have a stake in the continued flow of cash.
Also, Western Union has to have info on the recipients of the moneygrams, and there is a mail drop box for First Oceanic Bank in Camden town, London, that, no doubt, has had a surveillance camera on it for sometime, in order to transfer those funds to it’s Somalian “parent bank”.
So, while Stella may be anonymous, there are a lot of loose ends which are not, and within those loose ends, no doubt, are more “loose ends”.
Comment by zippy – March 11, 2008 @ 2:14 am
Zippy,
Those are absolutely excellent points! I have got to say that I suspected that these chearleaders, if you will, were in it from the inception! You hit the head of the nail when you metioned the fact that these guys seemed to have fallen out of the sky to tell of their great find!
As for Western Union, I gave thought to being able to get them with this obtaining of monies for their fradulent purposes. Once overseas however, do we loose the ability to prosecute?
Like I mentioned, these internet banks that allow for ONLY one way transactions are something people do not realize. Try to get your funds back, even if it was a mistake! NOT happenin’.
Excellent points once again… I hope to see these loose ends get tied up at some point, to trip these clowns!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – March 11, 2008 @ 3:19 am
Has anyone noticed a large influx of scam emails within the last couple of weeks. I have been getting anywhere from 5-10 per day. My question is, is it possible that GPP sold our email accounts to these scam web sites????????????????????????/
Comment by Mred – March 11, 2008 @ 3:44 am
No, MikeCheck, all western union offices are required to observe International anti-money laundering laws. In fact, all financial institutions within countries who are signed to the United Nations AML pact. (Which is EXPRESSLY why “Stella” requested payments to be broken up and sent to the 3 different names in Estonia - to avoid setting off the AML bells at Western Union. Western Union is still required to have pick up info for each money order.
In addition, I am under the impression that Western Union was also one of the payment systems which introduced cameras in their facilities. I can’t see this being different in Estonia, cameras are cheap, disc-space for storage of those documents is cheap as well.
As for the mail-drop in London, someone had to pay rent for it. There may or may not be a trail there, but a good part of London is covered by street-cams. Also, the same address is used as a mail-drop for several other “businesses”, so the “bank official” may also be running a “travel agency,etc.” from the same address.
Considering these two items are from the actual site itself, there’s absolutely no doubt that they are leading to “Stella”.
In addition, we have Stella’s favourite fake charity, with several names, phone numbers, and undeniable affiliations.
That’s just for starters.
I guess you’ll have to wait until people start complaining to authorities, though. Most of the complaints have been in the form of members asking their banks about depositing the return money. Should the money actually turn up in someone’s account (which I doubt), with an unacceptable explanation; the banks are required to notify Fincen or Interpol.
Now, were this LEGAL, there would be no problem, given that the incoming money transfer would have a point of origin and an explanation,..such as - Origin: Lloyd’s Bank, London, account number - 2345432 - $55,000.00 cash value for for Traded Endowment policy, instrument number XYZ 123456. The bank contacts Lloyd’s and everybody sees that it’s all legal. Then, the gov’t knows you owe them some tax money, but,…so what? If the gov’t takes 40%,..is that really a problem? If you were ‘only’ getting $30K instead of $55K because it was done legally and the tax-man grabbed his chunk, is it a big deal?
But, it’s the reason Stella is using to rationalize looking for a “banking solution”. Or, rather, the reason the members are getting for the delay. Not the real reason, - which is, there is no such thing, you’ve been scammed, and we’d like to continue this scam until we’ve milked this money-cow for every last drop.
Comment by zippy – March 11, 2008 @ 6:27 am
You know all these hackers (crackers) from Estonia, at least I’m so glad to get some software for free…
Anyway, Zippy, they cannot run away, 130 000 or a few less (and their friends, contacts families) on their heels, they’ll surely go up in smoke if they do not deliver! Sure they have to place some lines on GPP’s site soon, everyone is wearing thin.
Comment by extan – March 11, 2008 @ 9:16 am
I joined GPP some time ago and have always read the comments here. None of us knows whether anything is genuine or not. Just a spot of hope, I have never sold it as anything but a gamble. There do seem to be a lot of similar offers around. World Pension Plus, Excel Prestige, Imperia Invest and probably others. Just wondered if you had any thoughts on these as well?
Angie
Comment by Angie – March 11, 2008 @ 4:22 pm
Angie - All of these RPPs are scams. The numbers don’t work for any of them and there are no real companies behind them as they represent. They’re all run by a couple of guys who put up not very well done web sites and told a BS story to go with it to lure people into sending them money.
For World Pension Plus it appears to be a small-time MLM players in the UK and Australia. For Royal Pension Plan, it looks to be a guy in Malaysia. MEGA Pension Plan looks like another in a long list of online investment scams from Warren English. The same applies in the case of GPP and it won’t be long before the individuals behind it also are identified.
Save your money. None of these have ever paid, the numbers don’t work, many have already scammed out and disappeared, and not a one will ever pay because they’re not real in any way. It’s not a gamble, it’s a sucker’s bet that you have zero chance of winning.
Comment by JH – March 11, 2008 @ 9:27 pm
Angie: Sorry, but I do have to disagree with your statement that, and I quote: “None of us knows whether anything is genuine or not.” Yes we can and do know if something is genuine or not. All it takes is a little due diligence. Instead we get caught up in the hype, and throw all common sense out the window. We are too lazy to do any real work of our own to see if it is possible, but instead rely on other’s opinions and promotion. We believe because someone says it is real, then it must be real. Ever notice how almost always it is someone who says they know someone, who knows someone who vouches for the program; but it is never the person actually trying to get you to join that knows the “someone” who said this is real? I hope that made sense. Put another way, it is always a third person who is the one who claims this is real because they know someone who has been paid from a previous program, etc., but never the person who wants you to join. Hopefully that was a clearer explanation.
There are just too many people looking for a quick and easy buck that requires no work, and for a little amount of money will return thousands. The scammers know this, and thus why it is so easy to steal from so many. Don’t you think that if it was really that easy, then everyone would be doing it?
Comment by EagleOne – March 11, 2008 @ 9:44 pm
I like the way neverland post all the member reactions under his user name…LOL this is just too funny
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neverland
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Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 9:04 pm Post subject: Members speaking out!
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Dear All of You,
I am Hilde M.Makkinje and I am a Business Partner with Bob Proctor and I would like to share some of the knowledge I have and which I am teaching to others.
We all waiting for Pay Out and I am sure that that will be the case soon, and all though you might not be happy with the fact everything takes a little longer, there is something really important I would like to share with you and hopefully you start to work with it.. Until the payment has manifested in physical form..
When you are in a Dark room, you don’t see anything… Until you switch the light on, then the room is visible, the room looks different. Imagine this would be a 7 watt light ball. You’ll see some light, but just too little to see everything really clear. When we change the Light ball to a 100 watt light ball, the room will look brighter, more enlightened and you’ll see clearly All details.. It’s still the same room. What make it different? The Energy is the Same, it’s infinite and unlimited. That was the case with the 7 watt light ball, and it’s still the case with the 100 watt light ball.. The difference is the Body through which the energy is floating.. Does that make sense? You can compare it with the Level of Awareness one has, when one has the Level of Awareness of a 7 watt Light Ball one will see less things then when one has the level of Awareness of a 100 watt light ball
When we all keep the image in mind that we are already paid, Yes, Like it already is a FACT. You see, we think in pictures, we become what we think about and as a man thinket so he is. What we have in our mind will become our reality. The world we live in, is a world that acts through vibration.
When we focus on that one picture in our mind, that we are all longing for, we can change our awareness from being the 7 watt light ball to the 100 watt light ball. We are always in connection with the infinite source, but it’s our mind that will accept or reject idea’s and thoughts. It’s our subconscious mind that plays the crew, it will do everything that the conscious mind tells it to do, you will not be aware of it. So it’s utterly important at this stage to keep the picture in mind like we already have received payment.
You can compare this with a NON-Physical Seed. From every physical seed we know the gestation period, but when we speak of non physical seeds, we have to make intelligent guesses because we don’t know. The only thing we can do, is keep the picture in mind of what we desire or the picture of our worthy ideal or in this case; the picture that we already have been paid..
Wishing You All a Wonderful Night, a Night Full of Wonders
Keep Your Dreams Alive.. Don’t let them Steal away by Fools
With Love, Light & a Lot of Laughter
Hilde M.Makkinje
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 1:45 pm Post subject: Members speaking out!
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Hi friends !
I saw a message at GPP forum from Hilde Makkinje.
Actullay im also educated by this great man from Canada , Mr Bob Proctor
and by my mentor here in Sweden , MrThomas Martinsson
Following are something i really want to share with you folks:
Its a absoultely must for a humanbeen to first programme mentally before we can make it fysicly.
Vincent Van Gogh a worldknown artist/painter was asked how he was able to paint wonderful motives,he answered : “Im dreaming my motives and after that i paint my dreams”.Means he saw the pic in his brain and then made a copy on the board.
(the trueth is that there are no original Van Gogh paintings
ever sold)
To belive in things which you can fysicly touch is not at all to belive.But belive in something which you cant see is a Gods blessing. To belive in something invisible and to belive in something overweld.This belife makes you achive all you desire about,which are impossible for the mass.
Tuff times are not lasting but Tuff guys(people) are.
There are 2 important things for people to be aware off :
1) For the rich people to look how the poor people are living
2) For the poor people to look how the rich people are working
The core of knowledge is to own it and to use it.
If you search for the good in people they will discover the very best in you.
Firendship is like a bankaccount You cant take out before you put inside at first.
All a human manage to achieve and all we dont achive is a direct result of our thoughts. If one door is closed for us there are lot of new doors opend,Unfortunately mostly ,we put focus on the closed dorrs instead of opening our eyse and see all the wonderful openings and doors which is wide open just infront of us.
No humans has ever been honored for what they achieved
The honor became a result of what they gave
96% of our population
has 2 big lacks in their lives
TIME & MONEY
There are 4 categories of people:
1) thouse who make bad money and work day and night
(they have neither time or money)
2) Thouse who make big money but work day and night
(what they do with the money ? when dont have time )
3) The unemployeed (pleanty of time , but no money)
4 Thouse who have both
Which category do you want to be?
GPP
gives us both TIME and MONEY !
Stay focused and have patience
we are going to succed
regards
Username
foj
Sweden
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:39 am Post subject: Members speaking out!
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Hi Neverland,
I have read with interest the two recent postings on the General Discussion Forum from Hilde and Foj. However, I don’t find these communications helpful, it is through hard work and committment that the Programme will succeed and it is not appropraite for us to be distracted by communications which preach ethereal “Life Style” practices.
We must appreciate that at the moment there are a large number of us who are eagerly waiting for the Programe to move forward, and whilst also, we all have to work collectively to bring it to a satisfactory conclusion, it means we must therefore all be vigilant and keep our focus on being ready and prepared for the next steps. The communications we get now must be related to real positive steps that Programme Members must be preparing to take and in our individual groups we should be working with both our up and downlines to make sure that as many people as possible are actively and regularly being prepared for this.
Please, no more communications which don’t proactively move us forward, otherwise we risk loosing focus and distracting people from the main objectives!
Regards to All
Ray
Remark from Neverland:
Thank you for your opinion. You are right, members definitely have to DO the correct actions like filling out the agreement and making copies of their ID documents and keep themselves updated in the forum once the address is given out. However, some positive thoughts can only be helpful to all of us as many, many things are being caused in the spiritual universe. As with so many things in life, the truth is definitely somewhere in the middle. As we have received lots of positive comments on providing a place for personal opinions of members, we will keep this section open. 130.000 members will never have ONE opinion about things. But he is a very wise man who lets the others have their own viewpoint and does not have to fight it.
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Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:28 am Post subject: Members speaking out!
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Hello Neverland,
I have been reading all of the new positive thinking updates in the forum,
I do not see where applying the secret through Bob Procter is so bad, it is something everyone should apply to every day living. I do agree with ray that everyone should be ready when address is given, but like you said with all the force in the universe, we all need to apply positive thinking. I know there are a lot of us, ok all of us who are eager to see GPP finalized and all of us paid, but I am sure with all of the delays time and time again some are getting mad and frustrated, and do not want to hear or see positive thinking, but that is where we all need to be, to make this work, we can not afford for any negativity at all. We all need to keep the visualization of finally getting paid alive.
Every man is entitled to there opinion, but it is true every one has a different opinion, no one opinion is right or wrong, we are all right and everyone deserves to be heard.
To all, keep your chins up and stay focused and positive I am sure it won’t be long until we are all so very blessed.
Sincerely,
Thoughts become things!!!
Kristi(jksmith22)
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Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:43 am Post subject: Members speaking out!
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Hello Neverland:
I have read the message from Ray dated March 5 and your answer,
And I totally agree with you.
I Ready assiduously everything related to the Law on Attraction and so jealously guarded secret was revealed to us today and I firmly believe that if we do not create in our minds the first things deseandolas with all the soul, putting in everything we do our best more positive thoughts and things did not materialize.
First think and say and all this will be what you have in your life, today, tomorrow and past.
It is therefore important to monitor our networks, which do the right thing, but also teach them to think correctly, teach them that negative emotions will lead to similar situations, teach them that patience is cultivated in the minds, but when we think about things more negative of this we are going to have.
We all know that if we record in a program such features as GPP must follow the rules and conditions, put their profiles a day, watching your website and the forum once a day, but what we know is that not all of the largest and hard work are doing what Stella and his team as well as your Neverland and all those with large networks, and instead of helping you with a frank and loyal support and instill animos we are doing everything to reves, giving problems speaking and elsewhere what not to.
I firmly believe that GPP came to a successful conclusion and that we will soon have the best of news: the best solution bank, because I know my money is deposited in a bank, just missing it takes.
I am from Argentina is my English translator automatic pardon for that.
A huge welcome and much success to you Neverland
A big hug to all and will see you soon!
Regards
Olga Balvidares
User: negocioenred
Buenos Aires - Argentina
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Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 4:58 pm Post subject: Members speaking out!
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Greetings Neverland and members:
I have waited quietly in the background for some time now, reading the forum with interest and sometimes with amusement. Now, I feel it is time to speak up and hope that, in so doing, I can help those who are losing their faith in us.
My background is in corporate finance, having worked in that capacity for over 30 years. I have been a part of major acquisitions, investments, and various banking decisions over the years. All that is said to let you know that I understand the complexity of the financial venture that we have undertaken with Global and in turn, they with the Trust Partners.
What many of you do not understand is the fact that in financial ventures, such as this one, many variables come into play during the course of it’s development. Unforseen “speed bumps” occur which must be overcome. This does not in any way suggest that trickery or fraudulent activity is going on. It simply means that in the financial world, all is not smooth sailing.
While others write in the forum about faith, trust, and spiritual powers, which are all good to have, I use those means in concert with my knowledge of financial matters. The bottom line is this: Global WILL succeed but we all need to calm down and let Stella, Neverland, and their team reach the conclusion we all wait for. It WILL happen and my prayer for all of you is that you will look back on this as learning experience into a world that may be new for many of you.
Peace and love to you all.
wayneloneger
Comment by Busting Gut – March 11, 2008 @ 10:48 pm
To those who are GPP members, aren’t you guys NOT supposed to be publishing things from the GPP website or you lose membership?
Comment by jmal – March 12, 2008 @ 1:39 am
Busting,
This is one of the biggest piles of bull that I have ever seen! This clown is actually haveing a serious philosophical conversation with himself! I have got to say, that this is funny! Of course insulting at the same time! We are not the dopes that they hope that we are…
Now let me ask, what should a darkroom have to do with our money! We aren’t down to take a photo! We are looking to see an investment growing!
What we see here is: Wait for the prize, it’s around the corner, let’s not allow for people to express an opinion other than good feelings and provide a forum to cheat others out of their money!
This non answer double talk is infuriating!
Angie, it is unfortunate, but I must also agree w/ posts 397 and 398. This cannot be anything more than a scam. This cow has been milked! Still a little left seemingly… Unfortunate.
Mred,
You know I had not thought of this (I suppose that I should have) but the emails very well could have been sold! Anything to make a dollar! Looks like the emails actually could have been saved! Only to make a dollar of course, not to provide anyone with any valued information. Curious… Anyone else experiencing this?
Oh yes my friends,
I was looking at the Today show ( a mornig news show, for those in another country). Spoken of today was information referring to retirement scams. Scams, Scams, Scams!!! They are out all over the place promising great gains, and related. In the situations spoken of was taking retirement monies from people who have worked all of their lives, and in effect, tying it up for up to 15 yrs! Some people would be approx 90 before the could use it! That is so very wrong to take advantage of people like that. That is nothing more than stealing!! Similar to this. They actually had paperwork however. Not to say that this is good, but we have never seen ANY documentation anywhere!
Zippy, you are on top of things… Very impressed w/ your findings and resarch.
These clowns anger me so much in respect to stealing monies…
Oh yea, that statement about knowing this info about this program from a friend of friend… A very interesting and quite true statement. Where, who initiated this bogus info? Surely the scammers!
Let me end as Stella would:
Peace of mind in the photography lab will provide good fortune, provided that my charity continues providing me a frutful bounty. The rains fall mainly in Spain. Dreams can be had if you just wait 10 more years (no, I mean next month)…
All of these pretty words and statements NOTHING BUT BULL! If you’ve noted, and I’m sure that we all have, this says NOTHING about any financial actions.
If only we can find them! They surely need to select a prison to enjoy thier fine drinks and women as some of the hypers state…
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – March 12, 2008 @ 4:11 am
This is one of the financial “gurus” from “The Secret” along with Bob Proctor who Neverland and Hilde and the rest of the GPP MLM crew put their faith in:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icklckUsOGM&feature=related
Judge for yourself. There are several parts in a series that just get worse with each one.
BTW, Proctor now is suing Schirmer and a few of the others featured for fraud and Schirmer has made similar accusations about Proctor. All of which are done in a very positive self-visualizing way way I’m sure. lol
“Neverland” effectively gives away that this is all BS by his own posts. Do you really think that a serious company doing a +$60 billion dollar deal would be posting this kind of stuff on its site? Get real. lol This is a joke.
Comment by JH – March 12, 2008 @ 5:00 am
My sides still hurt from laughing so hard at those posts by Neverland. At least he is using the proper moniker, for he is in neverland. What a joke wayneloneger is trying to pass himself off as someone who has worked in corporate finance for 30 years. Of course he can say it, but his post proved it was all a lie. Figured it was about time for the cheerleaders to come out and try to calm the members with all these so-called “experts” that know this is real, and all you have to do is just be patient a little while longer crap.
The sad part is some will fall for this drivel. Wonder what will happen when they find out that David and Bob are all under investigation. Guess they attracted the law of negativity, but how can this be? They were all about “positive thinking.” It won’t be much longer before “the secret” and all those preaching it will be busted. Then I wonder what excuse they will give for being busted. Now that is going to be really interesting to hear them explain. ROFLOL!
Comment by EagleOne – March 12, 2008 @ 5:19 am
I laughed my head off. Here’s “Hilda”, apparently one of those referral slime that keeps sending her unsolicited spam to everyody’s mailbox! She’s found the money tree, alright!!
Have a gander,…if you haven’t already!
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=Hilde+Makkinje.&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
Comment by zippy – March 12, 2008 @ 7:54 am
In fact, here are some treasured words from Hilde, from http://www.scampas.com:
“I don’t believe in ’so called’’ opportunity’s where the money shows up like out of nothing, because nothing comes like that..But fact is that a lot of people get themselves into buying things they don’t understand and they never will because of the simple fact they only have dollar signs in their eyes..”
Really, Hilde? What about the “Secret”, and all that Proctor crap? Aren’y you expecting this money to show up out of nothing?
Hypocrit.
And, oh,…what a surprise!
Olga Balvidares does the same thing only in Portuguese. She’s the Brazilian Hilde!
http://www.google.ca/search?q=Olga+Balvidares&btnG=Search&hl=en
Comment by zippy – March 12, 2008 @ 8:05 am
Whatever has been said since yesterday, hope that positive results will somehow show up, not being ignorant for a second. I’ve mailed GPP, will see how things go.
Take for an example Zimbabwe, former breadbasket of Africa, now run down like no other country just because of one negative operator. Now one can only hope that the new (young) guy from inside the ruling party gets voted in, incredible clever/positive guy in the class of guys like Cyril Ramaposa, he will surely pick up the country in no time, just needs to be supported! They try to get him to say negative things and he simply talks them under the table.
Good luck with tracing the baddies, must say Hilde is pretty, guess that helps with a scam!
Comment by extan – March 12, 2008 @ 9:22 am
I don’t believe waynelonegar exists, because a 30 year financial professional would probably know how to type his own name. A REAL professional would, if he was using his real name,(even if he uses it as a username) be quite proud and would make sure his name was out front and comprehensible. (as in : Wayne Lonegar,…not waynelonegar).
All this appears to me, is that neverland has kindly given us his alias’ in Olga and Hilde. Or, maybe they are his “sisters” and he’s Cinderella.
At any rate, judging from the track record of these two “marketing professionals”, I’d hazard a bet that these are,…Neverland himself (or close enough to find him with.)
Comment by zippy – March 12, 2008 @ 9:31 am
Sorry, i was mistaken. Olga isn’t from Brazil, alone. She’s also from Spain, Argentina, and Australia. Gets around almost as much as Stella!
Would probably help her appear to be credible if she could pick a country for all of her websites, unless of course, she owns several homes or lives on a ship!
The problem is, people like Olga and Hilde don’t care what they’re selling or who they sell to,..they just want the money. It’s thoroughly evident when you look at the crap they are selling.
Neverland must have asked for some testimonials to keep the peace. How despicable!
BTW, Proctor just used Napoleon Hill and Dale Carnegie’s books to make a movie and MAKE MONEY for HIMSELF! There’s nothing new in the “secret”. He didn’t invent it. It was all available (in their books)about 40 years ago (or more). Proctor is having a great time imagining he’s invented a new ‘religion’.
I’m all for positive thinking, but, there is a point when you realizethat even happy, optimistic people get scammed!
Comment by zippy – March 12, 2008 @ 10:43 am
How does one find out about the origins of any program on the web? I mean how do you know it’s guy from Malaysia or another Warren English scam? In the case of most RPP’s - are such things known of in the financial world at all? One person I know wanted to join one of them because she knew all about them and thought they were an excellent long term investment for insurance companies, and people joining should be happy to get a payoff so early. All too good to be true? There are a few really big hitters (they are called) who are promoting pretty heavily. But there is no money in it for them either if none pays out.
So if they know so much (I presume heavy hitters know most things) why do they do it?
Angie
Comment by Angie – March 12, 2008 @ 5:33 pm
Extan,
Let us know if you get a reply from GPP, i havn’t had one yet! (don’t really expect to either!) At least we have a couple of names to start off with now (Hilda and Olga) its a start!
Comment by Blade68 – March 12, 2008 @ 6:39 pm
Angie - It varies depending on what information is available. Most of don’t give any substantive information that you can use to do any real “due dilligence” and basing anything on what they say themselves is kind of pointless. Mostly it’s by mistakes they make at various points where they leave some piece of information that you can use to trace things further. In the case of those that I mentioned they were sloppy and left files on their servers that I could see and use to trace back to specific individuals. In the case of English, he’s well known and he promotes his program through his newsletter and uses the same address (drop box of course) that he’s used for others. If you know him and his past, then you know it’s not real. And GPP’s made a few of their own.
As far as promoters, in most cases they probably don’t know or really care and in some cases may believe it. If there’s a shot to make a buck, then they’ll promote it. It costs basically nothing to do it, so what the heck. Not like most of them have any good reputations to maintain. ; ) In some cases they do know and are just acting as shills and are directly associated or paid otherwise.
And yes they’re all too good to be true. All rely on selling a policy that they buy for $N with a market value of $N immediately with no increase in value to another party for 3 times $N. No bank or investment company will do that espcially for the trivial return they’d get (~1.2% effective APR) and less believeable when it’s times 350,000 policies and a total of $60 billion dollars in the case of GPP.
Comment by JH – March 12, 2008 @ 6:45 pm
Angie, I wish “google” would put instructions for this on their first page.
If you’re talking about basic “due diligence”, google is your tool.
You want to find a “whois” and try a few to get varying degrees of licencing information.
If there is no info,..don’t do it. If the phone number doesn’t add up,..don’t do it. If the address looks funny, copy/paste it into your google bar and see how many other businesses are using the same address. A lot of use means it is likely NOT an office, but a mail-drop.
See how many other sites this person is hooked-up with. Type their name into google, and see what happens. (Not all ppl have uncommon names though, so you have to pick through and find the right ones, or add a distinctive keyword to your search.
There are many opportunities out there, and a number of the crooked ones still use real names and/or addresses, Phone numbers are immaterial anymore because I could get a phone number through Skype that “places” me in Hong Kong (and I can answer that phone, too) ut I’m really in Paris.
But, starting out with no names, no address, is just a big red flag. Phrases like “under the radar” scream, “We’re doing something illegal, and we need you to do this illegal thing WITH us”, which of course, makes members into accomplices.
The commercial side of the internet is not a safe place. So, if the thing you’re checking out does not have , SOMEWHERE, a real live person you can actually touch, or a real brick building, or a real address where people can be located, and not just a mail-drop, ….steer clear.
Comment by zippy – March 12, 2008 @ 8:48 pm
What has really bothered me the most about these posts that neverland used trying to calm everyone down wasn’t really the posts themselves. What really bothered me was what the people behind GPP really think about their membership. They are laughing in your face, and many of you don’t even get it or know it. They think you are the most gullible, ignorant, stupid group of people on the planet; and will fall for and believe any “information” they post. To be honest, anyone joining this was gullible, but they are now trying to take this to a whole new level of meaning.
I hate to be the one to burst your bubble, but this was, nor ever has been, about the membership or RPP’s. This has, and always was, about the money. They have it, and you don’t; and you willingly gave it to them without doing any due diligence. But it was only $40 you say, I spend more than that on lottery tickets you say, it was worth the gamble because it didn’t cost that much you say; and they knew what you would say, and they purposely kept the dollar amount low so you would join for those very reasons. Hard to file a complaint over $40 isn’t it. That’s what they counted on, and they were right. Well, at least so far.
But if you can get a couple hundred of you, or more, from one country or state to join forces you can file a class action lawsuit. Then it isn’t just $40 any more is it. Just a thought for all of you to consider when the time comes, and the time will come for you to consider it.
Comment by EagleOne – March 12, 2008 @ 9:47 pm
Eagle,
I agree. They take us to be a fool. Sure they’ll give up $40… Too much trouble to chase behind for that small amount of money. These clowns have a real racket going on here. Thy would not still be around if the dollars still continued to come in… I wonder how much money they made today? Yes, those little $40’s add up…add up fast too….
Members,
I wanted to make note… If you are interested in the understanding of schemes such as this one please view the following website provided by zippy. Unfortunate at how very many scams there are. So very very many! I’ll tell you, I may not be able to stop their stealing, but I hope that I can put a dent into this GPP plan! This site will show how these scams defraud good citizens as ourselves.
PLEASE VIEW…
http://www.scampas.com
Asking one to give up hope? No I am not. At the same time however, we must be realistic. No information, No names, No phone number, No communication (at least no direct communication that is of any value), and No status of funds = No money in our pockets!!!!!!!
I would so like to shut this down, not before we could jail these scammers however….
Stella & Co, if you tink that thee words are negative towards GPP, then you’d be right! If she’s not off on vacation, I really expect not to hear from her. Then again, why go on vacation when you are doing nothing but accepting others hard earned money for doing practically nothing except establishing a scam!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – March 13, 2008 @ 12:47 am
Hi Blade68,
You are right, I will not get an answer from GPP! I sent the following letter to gpp.forum@googlemail.com , we should start to hammer them, then maybe they will wake up, I guess waiting time is up, they need to communicate ASAP.
“Dear Madam/Sir,
I am one of those who wants to be POSITIVE about your “project” I contribute regularly mostly positive stuff to the UK Buz.
But I have time and again said and everyone agrees that GPP’s conduct is utterly unprofessional, your incognito and non-communicating conduct damages your image like nothing else, you really should come out REGULARLY with a few lines (progress update) on the forum to reassure members of your commitment, NO MATTER HOW BUSY YOU APPEAR TO BE!
You should be aware that if you decide to take 130K members and their friends and contacts for a ride, then there will be no place to hide!!!! You play with fire, some may already be so furious that they take the law into their own hands!!
Kind Regards
Comment by extan – March 13, 2008 @ 8:52 am
your comments give much food for thought. I am still puzzled as to why a scammer carries on so long and therefore risks being exposed, when it would have been easy to fly with the huge amount of members money many times. Why don’t they allay fears by keeping well in touch on their forum? Wouldn’t a really good scammer do everything possible to look kosher? Like answering mails (which GPP doesn’t) and keep the membership from worrying and thereby spreading rumours etc? Has anyone ever made real money from a good web opportunity? Are there any honest people left? I am very sad this morning.
Comment by Angie – March 13, 2008 @ 10:29 am
Angie, you said:
“…I am still puzzled as to why a scammer carries on so long and therefore risks being exposed…”
If I was a lawyer, or a law enforcement agent, or somebody who wished to catch the people behind the Global Pension Plan, I would first go and talk to the following people:
Inara Astica, Oksana Snetkova and Ivita Vingra
The first place I would look would be the following address:
Gertrudes 15-31/35, Riga , Latvia
These three people (probably aliases) are the people who “Stella” asked GPP members to send money to via Western Union back in May 2007.
See comment 5 on http://bizoppsuk.com/gpp_comments.php
I’d also go and look here:
“First Oceanic Trust”
BCM Drawbridge House
27 Old Gloucester Street
London WC1N 3XX
England
However, there is very little chance that you’ll ever get any money back from this particular “scheme”.
As JH and EagleOne pointed out so well, this was an easy scam to pull as everyone is happy to risk a relatively small amount of money such as $40…
Comment by Ben – March 13, 2008 @ 10:48 am
Angie, yes how stupid can GPP really be, nobody would conduct a scam like that, but maybe that’s why they precisely operate like this?!
They would do good to tell us why!
Comment by extan – March 13, 2008 @ 1:37 pm
I still have not heard from GPP, I went to the forum and went to PM neverland, and guess what….. “private messaging has been disabled” !!! Maybe the game is finally up! no posts for 7 days! Time to start some action people, we need to unite to get them.
Comment by Blade68 – March 13, 2008 @ 6:21 pm
This whole scam is based on psychology.
Many people are embarrassed to admit they have been scammed. Many people may be afraid to admit that they sent money orders to unknown persons in Estonia. Many would be embarrassed that they got involved at all, and GPP(stella) knows this.
How many people will report that they lost $40.?
How far will it go when police are told that you gave $40. to a person named “Stella” who has no last name, no address, and no phone number?
When you tell the authorities, “But they collected $40 from 130,000 people!!”, and they respond with “Where are the other 129,999?”.
GPP knows this. That’s why they have your money and you don’t know what to do.
The scammers are clever, but, never as clever as they need to be.
They have made physical contact with some people.First, Team Themco has 3500+ memberships, so they should have some clue who the operatives are here. I am positive that they do.
Now, Stella claimed (so, therefore it may be a lie) that the owner of Ningbo Export/Import bought 10,000+ memberships. If this is true, he may be wishing to speak with someone as well.
All is not lost,- there is always a trail.
EG. The server they use has a co-location unit out of Chicago, that sends the GPP hosting through “anonymousspeech.com”. This is also under “Domains by Proxy” which is well-known for a history of hosting sites of ‘questionable nature”.
Now, you COULD start by calling these guys at anonymousspeech (who aren’t very anonymous). They have a bunch of proxies and colocation units that shoot all over Japan, but they end up in these people’s laps:
http://whois.domaintools.com/164.46.25.196
(if it doesn’t come up, just ‘whois’ that ip address.
Here’s the info:
person: Chiyo Takimoto
nic-hdl: CT315-AP
e-mail:
address: Nomura Fudosan Osaka Bldg. 3F
address: 1-8-15 Azuchimachi, Chuo-ku
address: Osaka 541-0052, Japan
phone: +81-6-6261-0805
fax-no: +81-6-6261-0805
country: JP
changed: 20030812
mnt-by: MAINT-JP-FSVNET
source: APNIC
person: Hirokazu Morikawa
nic-hdl: HM326-AP
e-mail:
address: Nomura Fudosan Osaka Bldg. 3F
address: 1-8-15 Azuchimachi, Chuo-ku
address: Osaka 541-0052 , Japan
phone: +81-6-6261-0805
fax-no: +81-6-6261-0805
country: JP
changed: 20030718
mnt-by: MAINT-JP-FSVNET
source: APNIC
Note: These guys are NOT GPP! BUT, they get money from GPP or “Stella” to maintain the site. So, there is a money trail there. They must have fairly accurate info on the owners, BUT, you may need a court order to get it.
Also, remember that Stella’s favourite charity is a scam run by David Villacreses and his 2 buddies, Paul Healy and Michael Morris. Villacreses posts in the GPP forum under “Vilrose” if I remember correctly, but he has other I.D.s as well. Obviously, he is in league with the “Stella-crew” and has helped make absolute fools of the members of Themco, who have kindly donated enough REAL cash to purchase hundreds of additional memberships to send to “Breadforkids”.
In turn, these people have aligned themselves with a David and Catharine Oldham, of Alberta, Canada, through their charity “Children of Ecuador”. Since their site makes no mention of Villacreses or Breadforkids, it’s debatable if they have agredd to this, but they may have info on where to locate the real “Vilrose”.
So, you see, there are loose ends. There are more.
Comment by zippy – March 13, 2008 @ 7:06 pm
There is no honor between theives. GPP individuals/secondary companies in this scam, in preventing possible prosecution, would it not be better to “drop the dime ” on GPP? I’m sure that they would have no problem in giving you up to the authorities if they got to close to their tail.
Take this for example. You may be identified as one of the main players in this scam! If you have received monies as an accomplace, surely you don;t think that you’d escape this prosecution! Think of those who were scammed, think of yourselves! The arm of the law is long. The arm of these criminals, I’d say is very short. Consider this as they escape into the night to leave you holding the bag!
As for TeamThemco, well I must say, I trully did think that you were in very deep w/ GPP. I really did. I see that you are just maintaining the site (still could be bad). A court order may be required to obtain this information, but wouldn’t it be bett not to be associated as a site that plays hosts to scammers?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – March 14, 2008 @ 4:36 am
Stelliar and the NeverNeverland strikes again….
what will be the next excuse
Comment by Busting Gut – March 14, 2008 @ 4:46 am
Good work Zippy, really appreciated!! About Themco, well lets wait a bit, that guy supported GPP and now he got so quiet, they must have s..t really dirty in front of his door. So he will really open up if GPP does not deliver!! It really beats me how GPP act like little inexperienced children, lets get them and roast them if they do not deliver
Comment by extan – March 14, 2008 @ 9:14 am
another day and the only new post on GPP is on the Svenskt forum, the post is from Wayneloneger, so i guess its the same post as we had on 06th march. now its takin the p**s!
Comment by Blade68 – March 14, 2008 @ 6:12 pm
Do any of you know what all is involved in obtaining a banking license? Do you know how long of a process that is? Do you know for this banking license to be approved, the bank would need assets to make it the #2 bank in the world? Do any of you really believe GPP has access to assets of this size? Do any of you still believe this is possible?
Comment by EagleOne – March 14, 2008 @ 9:27 pm
Eagle,
To answer your question, No! No one should! Why would such a company be in hiding? For those who don’t know, see how much information of substance that you can find on it….
Good point…
MikeCheck
Comment by mikecheck – March 14, 2008 @ 11:26 pm
I have been reading this column with interest as it reflects my thoughts about the GPP. I feel that those who bought Stella’s surprise (being able to buy additional policies even when the quota was reached) acted upon greed and haven’t used their God-given brains. What’s with confirming if all are qualified? I am pretty sure that each member who signed up followed each verification instruction to a T at signing. Come to think of it, they have not updated us with this info, while they used to update numbers weekly once they decided that the program had to be completed by August 2007.
And since the fiasco of the first program that was completed(won’t mention the name here), if they GPP was real, they should have started moving their butts to find banking alternatives.
I won’t be surprised if the next announcement would be the nail in the coffin-excuse that some evil force (those brave enough to question the validity of the scheme) has destroyed the plan and that the program can’t be realized, and there goes all the dreams of us gullible customers!!!
Comment by Kitz – March 15, 2008 @ 1:39 am
Well, what is going to be interesting is if they are indeed making a filing for a banking license (I don’t believe they have or are even trying to do so) they won’t be anonymous much longer. When you file your application you must provide this information:
Type of License applied for Class A or Class B; PROPOSED NAME OF APPLICANT; ADDRESS IN THE STATE FOR PLACE OF BUSINESS FOR APPLICANT; NAMES, ADDRESSES AND CITIZENSHIP AND RESIDENCY OF DIRECTORS, SHAREHOLDERS, AND OFFICERS OF APPLICANT; Verification of Identity of Directors (a minimum of two Directors) Shareholders and Officers of Applicant: A certified copy of the identification page of the Passport, Professional Reference Letters, Bank Reference Letter; APPLICANT’S SOLICITORS & ATTORNEYS-AT-LAW: A letter from said Solicitors and or Attorneys-at-Law confirming that they act for Applicant; NAME AND ADDRESS OF PROPOSED AUDITORS: A confirmation letter from said auditors confirming that they have agreed to act for Applicant; APPLICATION FOR INCORPORATION OF THE COMPANY IN THE STATE; VERIFICATION OF BANKING EXPERIENCE; EVIDENCE OF APPLICANT’S SECURITY DEPOSIT (Class A: $500,000, Class B: $100,000); PROOF OF ABSENCE OF CRIMINAL RECORD FOR (1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc., Director); ANNUAL ACCOUNTS OF APPLICANTS HOLDING COMPANY; NAMES OF ALL SUBSIDIARY COMPANIES OF APPLICANT; VERIFICATION OF A COPY OF THE ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION AND BY-LAWS OF THE APPLICANT COMPANY; REQUIRE CHARACTER REFERENCES: Personal and Two Bank; CURRENT NET WORTH STATEMENT AND LIST OF ASSETS HELD BY SHAREHOLDERS DIRECTLY AND INDIRECTLY THROUGH HOLDING COMPANIES; STATEMENT OF CAPITAL OF ANY OTHER COMPANY; PROPOSED BUSINESS PLAN OF APPLICANT: The business plan must contain information regarding the following:
a) a description of the objectives of the company;
b) proposed customer base;
c) opening balance sheet and three year projections as certified by an auditor;
Attached hereto to form part hereof as Attachment 17 C (i), (ii), and (iii) please find
Applicant’s (i), Projected Income Statements, (ii), the Rationale on which these are
predicated and it’s (iii) Projected Balance Sheet.
d) management structure;
e) anti money laundering policies and provisions; (draft copy enclosed as a guide)
f) a feasibility study;
g) the economic need that the company intends to meet;
h) the nature and source of capital financing;
i) proof of applicants ability to meet statutory requirements for minimum paid up capital
and statutory deposits;
j) a description of internal systems and controls; and
k) copy of the ownership structure including group members and affiliated companies.
PERSONAL DUE DILIGENCE QUESTIONNAIRE; PROPOSED DATE FOR COMMENCEMENT OF BUSINESS; and PLEASE NOTE THE AUTHORITY HAS THE RIGHT TO SEEK ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WHERE IT DEEMS NECESSARY.
Oh yes, one more thing. The bank is required for all persons opening an account must APPEAR IN PERSON. Makes no difference if onshore or offshore. Anyone ready to travel to where they obtain this banking license?
Comment by EagleOne – March 15, 2008 @ 6:26 am
are you people who are posting on this blog actual members of gpp.
or are you out just to make trouble.give gpp a chance to respond
to all the comments you are posting.if you are members how much do you stand to lose,not a lot i bet!give them a chance!
Comment by jacko – March 15, 2008 @ 9:42 am
Just so you know, I didn’t publish the list of what information is required by the applicant(s), as it would have taken up way too much space. That list of information required is about twice the size of the application information. Before the application is finalized, the applicant must deposit the required assets and financial capital required. Failure to do so voids the application. Sure is going to be interesting to see them deposit close to $90 Billion just to open its doors.
Comment by EagleOne – March 15, 2008 @ 11:06 am
A person in my upline has mailed everyone to say he cannot reach the website of GPP. Then someone else said he should try something called a proxy site. Does anyone know anything about this sort of thing? How can you go another route to a website? And why does a website suddenly become ungettable? Is it the computer or the web or the site itself?
Stupid ol’ me again?
Angie
Comment by Angie – March 15, 2008 @ 3:25 pm
Jacko
Most of us are members and gpp have had more than enough time to reply allready! But they won’t! Its not the amount of money, its the principle! Are you a member? Are you happy to walk away knowing how much money they have made? If you had taken the time to read through some of the previous posts then you would not have asked those questions!
I have sent this email to Teamthemco
Hi, as you have probably noticed there has not been a post on gpp’s site for 9 days, and the last few insane ramblings dont count anyway! Most of us feel that the scam has come to an end now, just wondering how you stand? have you had any kind of contact with them recently?
Have you been on this site? http://www.bizoppsblog.com its very interesting, and there are alot of people ready to take action. Cheers Daryl
Comment by Blade68 – March 15, 2008 @ 5:32 pm
Jacko,
Quite seriously, how long is long enough?
If they wanted to provide information, provide anything, say we’ll be right back…anything!
I think that you’d agree, that this says, “I don’t care about the members”. That’s what their actions say to me.
Angie,
As to a proxy site… They probablysugested something like that because the actual cookies identifying you and other types of info are not being provided. Makes you look like a fresh new target!
The only thing that I have to ask, is why shouldn’t you be able to access this site by going through all of these gyrations? So, I guess that you have to sneek into their site huh? What kind of business works like that. Very unprofessional. I understand your friends frustrations. I feel his/her/their pain…
I’ve unfortunately, got one word for this GPP….. You all know what I’m going to say….. SCAM!!!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – March 15, 2008 @ 9:56 pm
Check out the forum. What??? Am too tired and too bored to care to comment much else. Check out News n Announcements. What The!…..
Can you do all the commenting on this one. Am still reading this blog just been lacking in any reason to comment on GPP..
Bit too long some of these posts, and dont really read it all properly, so either break it into paragraphs a bit more or shorten it would help.
I have to say eyes go blury after four or five lines.
All the best to you Extan, God love you mista! Bet your taking good care of him JL. Lets take care of each other and keep positive with each other. Sammy! xoxox
Comment by sammy – March 16, 2008 @ 8:10 am
15.03 Stella has just posted 3 new posts on the GPP forum, the first is downright rude, maybe because members are stupid? But one would rather expect a proper progress report!
Forget the 40 dollar and think of the promise they owe us!
There is also one post from her where she intends to clear up some failed pay-ups from Dec 07, makes one think again, or is this just another clever ploy before they run for sure?
Comment by extan – March 16, 2008 @ 8:50 am
Jacko,
Maybe you can’t see what’s at stake here. Sure, if you want to think it’s only $40,…you can think that way. Yup, you GAVE $40 to some thieves or maybe you gave it to some shady “investors”. You know, there are people on this planet for whom $40 is one heck of a lot of money. If we were going to toss it somewhere, I personally would have preferred to throw it at a charity (of MY choosing) than be conned out of it by some slicksters.
Next, there’s the issue of, just what value does one place on their own time? GPP has been holding people’s money for up to 2 years with the expectations that they would be compensated some 6 months ago. Then, it was december, january, no,….february,…um whoops,..well, it won’t be March,..maybe on April Fools Day we’ll know, but I doubt it.
People have to hunt, search, use proxies, use the secret handshake and mumble the password to get into a forum where Stella doesn’t even have the business or common acumen to post. It is common practice (and polite) to inform the people whose money you have collected, what you are doing and at which point in the operation you have managed to get. Stella never seems to get anywhere,..it’s always some “busywork” but never, done. Nothing is ever finished.
But then, it is also common practice to allow those who have entrusted you with their funds to know your last name, or your phone number!!
So, we’re not talking about anyone who is respectful or courteous, or even a professional.
That $40 could actually have become a lot more $$$ in a legitimate investment plan, but Stella apparently believes she’s a bank and can use the money as she pleases. Otherwise, if she has not been using the money, she would have been inclined (and required if this were legit) to tell us what, where, and how our money was being kept, AND she would have to inform us of the interest accrued over the time she has had it.
Thirdly, some people have already sent in their full ID. Now, this could be the most expensive loss of all. ID theft is the theft that keeps on thieving. After they take your money and ruin your credit, your life will never be the same so,…maybe you should think a little more deeply about consequences of actions before you make light of the loss.
What some could lose, may be devastating.
Comment by zippy – March 16, 2008 @ 11:42 am
Re: GPP update
Where are people sending their ID’s??? I have never been givin a mailing adress, so I wonder where these members have been mailing them to?
Comment by magoo – March 17, 2008 @ 12:51 am
Well, it seems many people were sending their ID information here, and I quote: “if you go to GPP forum you can find Stella’s bank a/c number , bank address etc etc many members are used that details to send payments.”
Guess they missed the part about this only being a mail drop, not a real bank address, nor Stella’s bank a/c number. Talk about willing giving our your personal information for identity theft. Now you know why so many joined. They have no clue about real investments.
Comment by EagleOne – March 17, 2008 @ 2:07 am
Eagle,
Right you are… People are not realizing that they are begging to get got yet again! Your info will be sold on the web just as fast as you provide it! The black market, as I’m sure that we all know, will sell anything!
For all of the pumpers of GPP, please direct me to ANY site showing positive information (other than the GPP site itself - although I’m sure that it does not work). My friends, I ask this only to show that this question will not be answered. There is no positive info out there on GPP other than the scammers behind this scam. If you have something please allow me to take a look.
Don’t send your personal info, suggest to your friends, neighbors or anyone not to buy more policies, and lets try to find these scammers!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – March 17, 2008 @ 2:20 am
Or, Estella is just bluffing about people sending their IDs because she came to this site and read about people having an idea on what they are going to do with all these private info they’re going to collect! By doing so, she thinks it would negate some people’s allegations about what they’re gonna do with them!! Smartie pants! Don’t buy it!!!
Estella, show us the money and stop all the blah, blahs!
Comment by Kitz – March 17, 2008 @ 3:45 am
Kitz: I wish that were true, but I know for a fact many did send their documents to the mail drop address for the bank thinking it would reach Stella, as well as being a legitimate address. As to the exact number I don’t know, but I can tell you it was at least in the couple of hundred’s; possibly more.
In re-reading my last post I want to apologize for all the typo’s and inconcruent sentences. I hate it when I do that. This time I will re-read before I post.
Comment by EagleOne – March 17, 2008 @ 7:28 am
EagleOne, do you really know anything for a fact regarding GPP? Especially what they are getting at their “maildrop” address? Are you a postman there?
Or are you “near” Stella and Co.? Are you in know of their business? Really?
Please, tell us more! You shouldn’t leave us uninformed! As you can see, everyone just playing the guessing game here.
Finally, a man who knows something for a fact!
Eagle, we are waiting your words! Please, carry on…
Comment by Don – March 17, 2008 @ 9:15 am
Some funny posts lately, hope you are all ok!
About some members sending in their ID number, not wanted at the moment by GPP, it is stupid in any case, theft risk, you could instead send your birth certificate when requested, who else wants to be reborn on yours (hope your mother is still alive)…? I think their idea is to ultimately send you the bank “solution” address (email, whatever and to keep their hiding address secret) so then members can send in their form and b/cert etc. to the bank and get the promised debit card in return. Does it make sense?
Due to GPP’s unprofessional conduct some members are confused when to send in their documents, thinking they might lose out if they do not, no such request as yet, if ever.
Comment by extan – March 17, 2008 @ 9:57 am
Do you guys know that Teamthemco’s site doesn’t work? I googled it to make sure I’d get the right URL and Google’s spit was “Problem loading..”
I have a feeling they’re also a part of the plan, and one of the first to be inching out of the picture slowly..
Comment by Kitz – March 17, 2008 @ 10:57 am
no themco is not part of gpp
Comment by extan – March 17, 2008 @ 11:19 am
Well Don, we are not doing a guessing game, the only problem is that Stella and Co. are quite esoteric, so nothing gets done like we expect, so we need to use some special psycho analysis and guess what, they are still planing to pay out in their own way, … but we just need to wait and wait!
Comment by extan – March 17, 2008 @ 11:38 am
Well, DON, we do know, for a fact, that the office of First Oceanic in London IS a mail-drop. How do we know?
Aside of the fact that I used to work around the corner from the “bank”, if you simply google the address, you will find that the building is pretty full of addressees other than banking businesses. Then, if you get a google map, you can see that it’s simply a 2 story small house-sized building. Then, if you do a whois of First Oceanic bank, you’ll find that their head office is in Mogadishu, Somalia.
Unless there’s a bank teller’s wicket in the loo, this ain’t no bank!
Is that enough fact for you?
Comment by zippy – March 17, 2008 @ 11:59 am
Extan, Themco topdogs have ties to GPP.
Comment by zippy – March 17, 2008 @ 12:00 pm
It’s hard to see how anyone, other than GPP itself, can know ‘for a fact’ how many have sent their documents. The maildrop used is a couple of roads away from my London office and is run by BM Monomarks, probably the oldest maildrop company in the UK - I can’t see them telling!This is idle speculation and contributes nothing.
Comment by Owen Platt – March 17, 2008 @ 12:20 pm
For Owen Platt:
I know you’re convinced 10,000% that all these RPP’s are cons, but what would you do or say if one of them actually paid out?
Would you feel a little foolish that you hadn’t joined?
Even though GPP in particular may turn out to be a con or fail, my gut instinct tells me that although on the surface the financial
numbers for these RPPs do not appear to add up, there is some way that the financial instrument they are trying to construct can be used to make money in a way that is not known to the general public or even to people such as yourself who’ve had careers in offshore banking.
Comment by TrickOrTreat – March 17, 2008 @ 2:31 pm
Trick,
Though it would be great to see such an investment pay out, I do not believe that it can. Trully, if it did why would we need GPP to do this for us? I’d be at the bank/insurance again opening up a couple right now myself!
Have you heard of one, just one of these RPP’s that have paid out?! I have not seen any that have. I’m sure that everyone would like to know of it… Settle their nerves a bit…
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – March 17, 2008 @ 4:35 pm
Trick or Treat
The whole point of being a professional banker is that it enables one to assess any investment opportunity realistically. And there are no hidden mysterious investment opportunities in the world of finance.
Personally I would not send one dollar off to someone whose name and address I did not have!
My new book out later this year is entitled ‘And Pigs Might Fly.’ Just about sums it up I think.
Comment by Owen Platt – March 17, 2008 @ 4:56 pm
Ben didn’t know what he was getting into when he made that first blog post for this huh? lol
Comment by JH – March 17, 2008 @ 6:21 pm
Don: Obviously reading comprehension is not one of your strong suits. What I said was I know for a fact that people “SENT” their documents to the address given for the bank. I did not say that GPP or Stella “RECEIVED” them. The reason I know they were sent was because a member of GPP told me the people in his group did thinking this was where they were to be sent. They did this in January because Stella had told the membership in December they had the whole month of January to submit their documents. They didn’t realize they were supposed to wait for further instructions from Stella.
Now there are 15 people in his group, counting him, and each has at least 10 in their downline, and I have no clue how many are in each of those 10’s downline. Do the math. Either he was lying to me, or he was telling me the truth. I believe he was telling me the truth because he had no reason to lie about this. Now if they did this, I am sure there were many others who did also. Why? Because Stella made it a point to tell people to stop sending documents. Do you really think she would have said this if people weren’t sending documents to that mail drop address? As to what happened to them once they were delivered to that address, one can only speculate; but it does not mean they weren’t sent there.
Comment by EagleOne – March 17, 2008 @ 7:03 pm
I think that these members should now prepare to pay $12.00 a month for the service to have their credit records protected for the rest of their lives.
ID thieft is a terrible thing. I can only hope that this does not happen.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – March 17, 2008 @ 9:51 pm
Eagle One.
I don’t think there was anything wrong with Don’s reading comprehension. When one makes cryptic statements of fact, it is advisable to quote the source of the information. Saying ‘I know - but I’m not saying how I know’ leads to scepticism - as was the case here.
Comment by Owen Platt – March 18, 2008 @ 7:15 am
Zippy, Themco used to help GPP at some time and then it soured up, now the old man tries to get Stella back, maybe she is beautiful
.
Everyone can you think about any other interesting subject except talking about the “wrongly” sent documents to GPP? Obviously new decisions supercede the old ones so those members were just sleeping, that’s it!
My analysis is that GPP will pay out, will see how much and whenever, the other option of running away, Zippy (and Dina) will sort that out!
Comment by extan – March 18, 2008 @ 11:53 am
Extan,
These wrongly sent documents could have a serious impact on people’s financial future. How would you feel knowing that a credit card could be established based on the information that you have provided to some unknown entity?
Why do you believe that they will pay?
What basis do you have to show anything about a payout?
You have NEVER seen a RPP ray out, so why do you believe it?
Most importantly, please tell me of your ANALYSIS!!!!!!!!!!!!
This should be a good one…
MikCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – March 18, 2008 @ 12:49 pm
Extan, How could Themco help GPP , without knowing who Stella is? I can see one person, alone with their computer, joining an unknown, but I certainly cannot fathom any possibility of an investment organization, 3,500 strong, making any kind of financial agreement or involvement with someone who is missing a last name and phone number. Not possible. You can’t get 35 people to do that, so 3,500 definitely did NOT do that.
In addition, how did Stella hook Themco up with Breadforkids, if they never communicated other than on the internet? It’s not like Stella said, “Save the Children Organization”, or “Unicef” or “Oxfam”. This is an obscure, highly questionable website claiming charity-status and affiliation with another that doesn’t recognize it. How could they possibly find them on their own?
That’s too far-fetched.
Comment by zippy – March 18, 2008 @ 12:51 pm
Zippy, we know the old man personally, ok?
Comment by extan – March 18, 2008 @ 1:02 pm
Extan - we know who the old man is - and his address and telephone number. OK?
Comment by Owen Platt – March 18, 2008 @ 1:47 pm
HA! Then tell us his name… Tell us anthing! Know him or not, you can’t conduct large transactions without public placing this infomation. This cannot be true. Hmmm, maybe I’ll attempt to talk w/ someone at Teamco…
I agree, this charity was a SHAM! Strike one.
Let’s not forget, this nonsense of providing poor stella w/ additional monies for the great work that she did. What great work!?!?! I for one never saw anything, any clue as to what she did!!! BIG STRIKE TWO!!!
The POOR leadership of this scam! Don’t get me wrong, they successfully scammed a lot of people, which was their intention, but to the common man, this nonsense about jumping from one bank to another is a sad excuse. When you have a contract with a bank, YOU HAVE A CONTRACT!!! It would be up to the financing company to pull through with the deal, not GPP!! SCAM SCAM SCAM. Strike three.
They are out! Ha! There are surely enough stike ready, begging to be had. Surely more than that what is found in a baseball game!
Nonetheless, could you provide us with some of your findngs with your reasearch? you spoke of in POST# 457?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – March 18, 2008 @ 1:53 pm
Mikecheck - just send me an E-Mail.
Comment by Owen Platt – March 18, 2008 @ 2:14 pm
Happy you also know him, soon we will maybe also know Stella, president of handing out millions, Mike you can bet on it, just believe it
Stella is currently sorting out the re-payment or the fixing up of those payments that went astray during 12-07, what action does that imply, does it ring a bell, are they busy running away, they could have done it long time ago!?
Comment by extan – March 18, 2008 @ 2:14 pm
This is the reply i had from Teamthemco:
Hi
What we know we post on our blogs.
We remain positive and have absolutely no time for the bizoppsblog. Just ask them to give you proof on anything they say. It is all conjecture and heresay.
ATB
Terry
Themco
What an answer!!!
Extan,
Don’t you get it? They are not running away yet because they are still receiving large amounts of money!
Comment by Blade68 – March 18, 2008 @ 6:14 pm
Owen,
you are on the ball! I’ll get up with you shortly.
Extan,
Tell me how are you privy to all of this info on GPP? I simply cannot believe this. There is NO info being shared with thelrest of us poor souls! We have to rely on second hand info on everything. You say Stella would not just break camp and leave. Well I have two things to say on that note… 1) I have not seen anything to substanciate that ANYONE has been busy doing anything except collecting money! 2) Stella is supposedly still around…. Well now, why would she leave! If she could still obtain these easy monies, stay annonymous etc., why would she leave!!!
Could you share with the members and myself this information that you found with your research?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – March 18, 2008 @ 6:15 pm
Blade,
You know what, I actually missed your post… Now I have to say, I can’t agree with you more! It’s practically the same thing that I said just now!
Man! What a sorry excuse for an answer! That’s no true response, that is a “let me answer this to him off of my back” response. Dig this, I’m sure that you noticed, but is this somone else who does not provide a last name?!?!
Sounds to me like someone is trying to disaccociate themselves from this sham…or either as noted, the funds just keep on rolling in!
Let’s see here… Since Stella cannot discribe any further about GPP, allow me to do so by simply using words…
SHAM, SCAM, STEALING, MISLEADING, NON-COMUNITIVE, there are many more!
Comment by MikeCheck – March 18, 2008 @ 8:00 pm
Looks like I should re-read my scentences before posting them too. Back to my point however.
I do not know who stell is (yet).
I have not seen any work, progress, or anything other than statements that are of no benefit.
Let me tell you, if they are having this much of a problem with this banking solution (or what ever they want to call this today), why did they/would they wind people up into a program for which there is no solid financial plan/basis? This simply screams SCAM!!!
I envite anything to disprove these statements!
Extan, what about that research?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – March 18, 2008 @ 8:07 pm
Mike are you going overboard, watch for the sharks out there…?
About GPP we just check a “savings account” as it grows or not and it shows that not much money is coming in currently for Stella and Co., sometimes not for a week in response to GPP not communicating, like a barometer of confidence. Hope that answers your question?
Comment by extan1 – March 18, 2008 @ 9:43 pm
Mike,
His name is Terry Gilder, hell of an answer though!!!
Extan,
where are you getting this information about savings accounts from?
Still no response from gpp about the mail i sent!
Comment by Blade68 – March 18, 2008 @ 10:33 pm
Mind you, I think Terry Gilder has some serious money coming into his account if he starts blackmailing Estella–into exposing her if she doesn’t share the money with him. Please can someone stay close to the guy? I am just thinking of possibilities here. If things turns out to be a SCAM, we may have a serious lead here!!!!
Comment by Kitz – March 19, 2008 @ 6:51 am
R E P U B L I C O F S L O V E N I A
SECURITIES MARKET AGENCY
13. 2. 2008
P U B L I C W A R N I N G
against Global Pension Plan
Slovene Securities Market Agency is warning investors about activities of the company
Global Pension Plan, on the territory of Republic of Slovenia.
Global Pension Plan has not obtained the Agency’s authorization according to Market in
Financial Instruments Act (Official Gazette of the Republic of Slovenia 67/2007 and
100/2007) or any other securities law to carry out services in the financial instruments field in
Slovenia and by the date of this warning the Agency has not received any documentation
proving that the authorization is sought in order to acquire that authorization.
The list of the entities with the Agency’s authorization is available on the Agency’s website
http://www.atvp.si.
The Agency strongly urges investors considering dealing with Global Pension Plan to
exercise the greatest possible caution before proceeding, bearing in mind the contents of this
public notice.
Poljanski nasip 6, Ljubljana, tel.: 01 28 00 400, faks: 01 28 00 430
Comment by Koychi – March 19, 2008 @ 9:27 am
jealousy everywhere and a lot of hogwash, the bottom line, anybody that has a lot of money will have a lot of problems from so called agenies/banks that want to stop the windfall!! That is human nature!
by “savings account” I mean those members that have downlines, the “total due to them” grows as the money into GPP grows, can anyone understand that? I can understand that the old man does not read this blog!!
Comment by extan – March 19, 2008 @ 9:41 am
If GPP is this great professional organization, then what were they doing having Stella go on the around the world cruise to find a banking solution, instead of staying home and working on the December refunds? Sounds like lousy customer service to me. March is almost over and she is just now getting around to working on December refunds? Yep, sure glad this is being run by Professionals.
Comment by EagleOne – March 19, 2008 @ 12:18 pm
Koychi,
What more do you have to say? Post 472 says it all.
Jealousy has nothing to do with money!
Could you show your reasearch to dispute?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – March 19, 2008 @ 1:54 pm
this is really dumb, isn’t it?! GPP will pay out just not telling when, maybe April, May or June?
Comment by extan – March 19, 2008 @ 2:15 pm
Extan,
that is not a savings account!!! they are just numbers in the air unless gpp pay out! NO COMMUNICATION….NO COURTESY…
Comment by Blade68 – March 19, 2008 @ 6:43 pm
And suprise suprise, gpp site down again! is this it? I dont think we need any more proof that this is a scam, we need to take them to the cleaners!
Comment by Blade68 – March 19, 2008 @ 6:48 pm
gpp site not down. use a proxy,you will get it up!
Comment by jacko – March 19, 2008 @ 7:24 pm
Just tried GPP site. Log in without any problems. Hence no further news.
snartmor
Comment by snartmor – March 19, 2008 @ 7:25 pm
extan: You really should get a copy of Owen’s book “Just Numbers On A Screen” and read it. It would explain a lot of things to you. Also get a copy of his new book coming out. Between the two you will learn so much, and be able to protect yourself in the future.
As for the saying “things not being over until the fat lady sings,” let’s just say the fat lady is warming up her vocal chords.
Comment by EagleOne – March 19, 2008 @ 7:55 pm
Blade,
Since they just got Majorly Busted with that great info provided by Koychi, I’ll bet that they would be about to break camp! Those free flowing dollars may cause them to stay a bit longer though!
Sad, that after all of this info on the web, others are still being sucked into this scam! I’ll tell you… What has happened with our money is not much different than placing $40 into an envelope, writing one word on it… “STELLA”, then dropping it into a mailbox. This scenario is similar in that we won’t see that cash again.
Seemingly our situation (in respect to Stella) stands like this… We know her (possible) first name… PERIOD!!!
We do however, have the benefit of knowing some of the peripheral info surrounding this scam. This info probably accidentally left. I’ll give it to them… Free servers (in some cases), using in servers in different countries, all this here and there. Spells “S C A M” to me!
Jacko,
It is unfortunate that members have to go through a proxy site to access information that you should easily be able to get at! If you have your password and other info, you should be able to get right on in! Think about your bank account! You can access this online. Surely they wouldn’t have us members go through these ridiculous loops. Why doesn’t GPP give us members who have supported them the same courtesy?
Between you and me, I think that it is a poor setup of the website. For as much as this Billion dollar company has been down, it does not say very much for it at all! No, not at all. I think that this is something else that we also would agree with…
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck – March 19, 2008 @ 9:13 pm
Mike,
Well put, no other business operates like this, it is beyond a joke and saddens me that people are still joining.
I thought that Teamthemco had just been sucked in but after that last email from them i’m wondering if they are part of gpp!
Comment by Blade68 – March 19, 2008 @ 10:26 pm
In light of the recent events with GPP, I thought it might be interesting to take a trip down memory lane from 8/31/06 and see what Stella was saying about GPP then, versus the reality of now. And this is not by any means the total post that was made of Stella’s statements. Space would not permit to post it all now. This is copied from another forum, where a person posted these comments from Stella. So let’s go back in time to August 2006, and I quote:
“The following questions were sent to Stella at Support, which were answered very quickly (and on the weekend, too):
Key Facts:
Office Hours: Monday to Friday
This is an insurance plan
Earnings: $55,000. (plus $2k per referral)
One Time Membership fee: $30.EUR (approximately $38. USD)
Payment methods: e-bullion, e-gold or wire transfer
A new “Gift Coupon” is now available
Plan pay out will be in USD
Forum: Yes
Q: Who runs the Global Pension Plan?
A: I am not sure if you are aware of that Global Pension Plan is run by the Trust Partner and through a trust (Anstalt) registered in Liechtenstein. The originator consists of five European businessmen, who have experience from similar business dealings but on a smaller scale. I met with members of the Trust Partner as well as the manager of the insurance company involved before I decided to step in and start working for them.
Q: Do you anticipate any difficulties with this Program?
A: To stay alive, we must keep a low profile and stay together. We have met difficulties, like SPAM and DDoS attacks, but all of them have been beaten successfully! It’s normal to experience attacks from naysayers who want to destroy something extraordinary. But because of a professional online presence plan, we are still available for the general public.
Q: What does the Trust Partner pay in this Program?
A: The Trust Partner pays about $4 - $5 per every new member in addition to the membership fee of $30 EUR out of it’s own pocket currently. So please understand the collected membership fees of $3,5M is actually -$450,000 for them. They decided to set the fee to $30 EUR to show some goodwill, but also because $40 would have been too much for most of the people.
Q: Can you give us any sort of time frame with respect when you might meet your 100,000 member target?
A: To be honest, it’s pretty difficult to give you any time-frame the program will be completed, as it depends on the activity of our members. It may take 3, 6 or 9 months.
Q: Once the target membership has been met, when will payout happen?
A: Once the target of 100,000 members has been achieved, the payout will happen in about two months.
Q: How will the funds be paid out?
A: The funds will be paid out all at once. The Trust Partner won’t use e-gold or any other e-currency for the payouts, as the amount is way too high for them to handle. Right now they are working on a complete online banking solution which will offered for the members, so it looks like the anticipated debit card is replaced. I will keep members updated!
Q: To confirm, the maximum age to join the program is 66 and there is no minimum age?
A: You are right, we don’t have a maximum age to join the program. However, people older than 66 won’t qualify for the Compensation of $55,000, but can still earn via the Loyalty Program.
QUESTION: How can the policies be mortgaged if they are not paid for yet?
Answer: This is possible because the premiums haven’t been paid for yet. Both the insurance company and one of the mortgaging financial institutions are owned by the same company. Thus the mortgaging institution doesn’t have a risk of any kind as they can play by the rules of the house and have control over the monetary issues all the time.
Once the program has been closed, the pension policy is issued in member’s name. At this stage the policy is not active as the Trust Partner hasn’t paid the premium just yet. Now the member is asked to sign the sales contract so that all the liabilities, and benefits too, concerning the policy can be transferred in Trust Partner’s name. At this stage they own the future benefits of the agreement, thus the mortgaging is possible.
Once the policy has been mortgaged, the Trust Partner is the debtor, not the member the policy has been bought from. Next step is the funds will be released for the Trust Partner and they start taking care of the expenses the pension policy has created, one of them is to pay the member the Compensation of $55,000.
Regards,
Stella and the Team”
Comment by EagleOne – March 20, 2008 @ 12:11 am
Extan?,
Please don’t be so naive, you’re much too intelligent for that.
Of course Gilder is in on it!
He supposedly DIRECTS a rather huge investment club. Are you telling me that he organized the investment into GPP of 3500 memberships PLUS, to someone with no last name, organized by 5 unnamed businessmen?
That’s why he’s at liberty to give such glib responses.
I am also positive that 95% of the members of Themco have no clue, that’s why they belong to such a club. They believe they are being directed towards smart investment choices by their leader.
Ask yourself,…if you had directed 3500 people to send money to these people, and they cannot even communicate, …would you act so non-chalant? Or would you be demanding answers because you appear to your members to be a part of the problem?
Comment by zippy – March 20, 2008 @ 1:56 am